Tales From The Jails Podcast
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Tales From The Jails Podcast
MUJI OSCHINO'S SON JAIL CALL/VISIT : TALES FROM THE JAILS LIVE !!!!
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Muji the son of one of Philadelphia's most famous rappers former member of Rocafella records and State Property records called in to discuss the importance of having a father while in prison. Braheem and Tawfiq used this opportunity to speak with Muji about the issues he has with his father in an attempt to settle the problems between Muji and Oschino.
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SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. What's up, y'all? John Michael 215 Nitro. Gang is here. Shout out to the uh one underscore FaZe. Hope I'm saying that right, who just became a uh uh member. Appreciate you, man. Appreciate you for becoming a member. We appreciate all the members, everybody out there, man. We got a special situation today. We got you got somebody calling in today, uh, a young man who's being oppressed. You know, he's gonna call in and talk to us today, man. Um, so but what's up with you, man? How your day going, man? How's everything?
SPEAKER_02Oh man, it's fair, man.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, make sure y'all hit that switcher, man, because the switcher be like an itcher. Huh? What happened yesterday, man?
SPEAKER_02What's going with you, Mr. Jackson, man? Oh man, you know, Tuesday, man. Looking forward to the weekend, man.
SPEAKER_01We can't adjust the um, what you call right now?
SPEAKER_02What?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you know, we we we get to the week and then the week just turns into like it's like once you get past Monday, the week just starts speeding it, speeding, speeding along.
SPEAKER_02I say once you get past when once you get the Wednesday, it's up. It's up and stuck. That joint just gives me constantly popping. Yeah, what they call that? What? Wednesday. Hump day. Not on duty. Look, you you you you you lining niggas up for the not on duty. What they call that? Man, crazy, man. But yeah, man.
SPEAKER_01This this episode, man, need to be more so about uh relationships, man. You know, like um, you know, how relationships can be damaged by being in prison. And and how some people contribute to relationships being being broken. Like by for selfish reasons, right? Like you may have a mother or father that's in jail, and you can have a grandm, an aunt, an uncle who just continues to keep the beef going. They want to keep the you know the dislike going for the for the person in their parent or their father. They want to keep that dislike going so they just set boundaries where though they cannot communicate, they can't talk, they can't, you know, iron things out. And then sometimes, you know, it's it's beef at the top where parents can't get along, you know, sometimes, and then that that trickles down to the kids not saying that one parent is wrong and the other was right. We're just saying that sometimes we gotta just find them a middle ground.
SPEAKER_02I understand the big picture is that is to keep the relationships good cool with the with the kids and the parents and but it ain't just with the kids and parents, it's with friends, girlfriends, you know, relationships can be forged while one is in jail, and relationships will be broken while in prison. So, you know, that's that's that that goes for everybody, you know. Not just you you and your kids or you and your old lady or something of that nature, but everything, every type of relationship. When you in jail, man, you at you at you at the mercy of just everything. Everything, man. When you in jail, bro, you you you a dead man walking, man. A dead man walking, man. Literally, a dead man walking. And don't let you add 25, 30 years. Oh my eyes. Yeah, you done slid down a razor blade into an alcohol river. So you know.
SPEAKER_01You know how that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01People were scared. You can see the fair when they jet by. What time you say uh you supposed to be calling in? Yeah, it's five now. It's 503. Someone give him some time. Half jail mook mean, the other half, it's Nyetta.
SPEAKER_02I don't think it said five. I know you be jumping a gun sometime. I probably said 5.30.
SPEAKER_01No, that's a good, good, good young guy, man, gonna be calling in to talk to us today about the situation.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I ain't say that. I said I don't think it was at 5, though. I think it's at 5.30.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, man, is that is that five? You sure? Is that five? I believe it's at five. So for you, right? Like, was anybody setting boundaries for you, like setting stuff up, like whereas though you couldn't, you know, talk to your loved one or or or you know, it was just things going on where you couldn't speak to who you wanted to speak to while you was in prison?
SPEAKER_02Um, I don't understand the question that you asked me. You say was someone setting boundaries?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, was it any boundaries or any obstacles that that was like put in place by somebody outside in the streets that stopped me from communicating cause problems between you and the person? Like sometimes not not allowing it to, you know, not allowing you to have the the leeway to fix an issue or see.
SPEAKER_02Lucky for me at the time when I went to prison and did the boatload the time I did, I didn't have no children. You know, you know, your girl run off after a while, so it was pretty much easy for me. Yeah, what happened to librarian? Oh, I don't know, man. She's somewhere. I don't know what happened to her. She's somewhere out here. Your young boy look just like you, too. I mean, you talk about young boy look just like me. So young boy look like everybody around there. Everybody had some got a little piece of you, a little piece of me, a little piece of he and she. Yeah, everybody they come out there like they like to feet. Oh no, that's black. Oh no, that's what's the name? Yeah. Nah, it's the way it's the way it possibly baby like me and you. Nah, but nah, it looked like you a little bit, man. Yeah, but I ain't never had no uh barriers between me to where as though someone was out there trying to cause a riff or stop me from communicating with a certain individual, like, and that's just me. I'm only speaking about my my experience. Because I'm quite sure it's a lot of people that's currently incarcerated that goes through that. But yeah, that wasn't the case for me.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you ever think about doing like stand-up, like not comedy, but like stand-up, like like you see how like Mike Tyson does the stand-up drone? Like, you're not he be doing stand-up comedy? He not stand-up comedy, but he tells his life story, like, but but it's funny.
SPEAKER_02No, I ain't I ain't I ain't I ain't I ain't see that I ain't think about that either. Like Charleston White do like stand-up stuff like you, like you like a nah, I ain't no motherfucking clown, man. No, not a clown, but you're not good. Nah, man.
SPEAKER_01I'm on not No, but I'm saying you go to because you know, some of the stuff you say be real, but it'll be funny. Yeah, but I ain't think about doing no stuff like that. No. You might you might hit it out the park, man. Oh my goodness, man. You know, you might I don't know. What y'all think, audience? Y'all think, man? He he probably can do it. I think that he can um like he probably can come up on the show, go on a stage, and tell his life story, and it'll be funny. It might be. What were we doing with the visit? It came through yet? They said it might be a little delayed. Who said that? Um, it's his family. Would they text you? Yeah. So now, you write. You've been in jail. Like you should you used to stand up inside the prison. Like you get the you had the block going?
SPEAKER_02No, no, no. I never did no stand-up in prison. I was standing on a nigga ass and that's about it. I ain't standing on no nigga, no, no stand-up comedy. No, I don't do nothing. No, no, no. I wasn't doing nothing like that. So, what do you mean by standing on somebody's backside? What does that put what does that mean? Because that means if you jump out of line, I'm I'm putting belt the ass. That's what that means. There's other words for belt the ass. You know what I mean? Or even belt to my ass, one or the other. Now on duty. Because you got to bring ass to get ass. Always remember that. Always remember that. Yeah, what's wrong with this? You got to bring some ass just to get some ass. Don't you never get that miscar screwed. What does that mean? That means break that down. If you go in to get some ass, not on duty, right? You go and get some. You know, what do you mean? No, not me. You in order for you to get there to that ass, you have to bring your own ass. So you gotta bring ass, which is yours, to get to that one. Yeah, that's just it. Yeah, man. That's just don't sound right. Yeah, that was well, well, you know, a lot of things don't sound like it's right in life, but it's correct. You should say more to bring yourself to because you gotta bring yourself to address the problem or something like that. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. You understand them terms very well. You got to bring ass to get ass. There was no type of confusion in that, or none of that. Well, a lot of confusion.
SPEAKER_01I'm pretty sure you know John Michael and the man by there, like, what the hell is that? 205 nitro, the whole gang, like, man, you know. What's up with my man James LaFlaine?
SPEAKER_02He's trying to come up on this joint.
SPEAKER_01Eddie King, he like, what's going on? Well, explain to the to us what you mean by bringing to get. I explained it already.
SPEAKER_02What you want me to say in another language? No, but the way you're saying it's not a good thing. You got to bring ass to get ass. Just that simple. If you want to go fight a nigga, you got to bring your ass just to get his ass. If you want to go hit it, you stand saying that, yo, I'm about to go get some ass tonight. Yeah, you have to bring your own ass just to get some of her ass. Nah. So your ass will be present upon you. Why is that part of your body on on display to go? No, it's not on display. Then see, then you adding stuff too. I ain't say yo, your ass is on display to go get that ass. No, I ain't say nothing like that.
SPEAKER_01I said what you probably sounds, man. You mean yeah, it sounds a little a little a little off, man.
SPEAKER_02I could have said it the other way.
SPEAKER_01You gotta bring, yes, then, yes, then me, you mean yo, night two on five nitro, man. Like, what is he talking about, man? I know people would the family out here listening to you, like, yo, black, you, you, you not make enough sense, man. That just sounds a little far-fetched. But let's go back to what I was saying. You know, there are boundaries that are set for people that's in prison. Sometimes a person doesn't want the other person to have a relationship with a certain person because of the people. I've never seen that.
SPEAKER_02I've never seen that. This is like some old fairy tale type shit. I've never seen someone on the street.
SPEAKER_01It's guys and it's guys, it's guys in jail who ain't talk to their kids and so alone because they beefing with the mom.
SPEAKER_02Okay, well, yeah, that right there, but you the way you was making it seem like someone's on the now. If you're talking about for that, that that goes on rampant all the time.
SPEAKER_01That's what I'm saying. It can be a mom, a grandmom, an aunt, uncle, somebody who got custody of the kid, whatever it may be. Just it's it's just a negative boundary that's in between people and and not allowing people to have a conversation, man. You know, and and these things happen because people on selfish reason. Yo, sound they come.
SPEAKER_03Yo, sound they come.
SPEAKER_01So they go.
SPEAKER_04What's up, though, man? I'll be able to keep you awakening.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, no problem, man. No problem, man. Hopefully, they don't shut us down. You think they're gonna shut us down?
SPEAKER_04No, we mobbing.
SPEAKER_01All right, cool, man. So yeah, man, I've been I've been meaning to get you up on the uh on here, man. I know I I I I haven't talked to you in a while, and you know, man, you look like you like like you're working out or something, man. Last time I seen you was like like you was about a buck fifty, man. Like you wasn't like a deuce or something, man.
SPEAKER_04No, I mean you know I'm real ground and penal, man, like colesthetics, stuff like that, you mean to stay in fit.
SPEAKER_01That's what's that's what's up, man. So, man, how's everything going with you, man? How's how's you know how's everything? Introduce yourself. Yeah, well, talk about who you are, man. A lot of people don't really know who you are. My bad. Yeah, you might just get right into the Mooch, what's wrong with this dude, man?
SPEAKER_02He got you up here just freestyling. Don't nobody know what when, but they don't know if you outside of the camping port. We at Mooji, we who is your Mooji and we at, man? Let the people know, man. Put it out there.
SPEAKER_04Oh yeah, yeah, man. You know, Mooji, man. You know, Instagram, Mooji underscore 31st Street, you mean? I'm um got 20 to 40. I'm at Chester right now, you mean? You know, I'm mobbing, you mean maintaining. I mean, um just trying to figure it out. And you know, I understand why he was talking, because you know, we we talk, we got a report already. So it's like, you know, just to catch up.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he he forgot that we was actually on air. See y'all talking private. You know what I mean? He he forgot. He got into a conversation like y'all, like he in the truck or something like that, and you just called, and it was one of them joints. Nah, it ain't one of them joints. Mooch, they want to hear from you, Mooch, they want to know what's up with you. How much time you got in currently on this 20 to 40 sentence?
SPEAKER_04I got seven years, and I got seven years in. Um, I got seven years in, you know, I fell March 6th, 2019. I got seven in um, but I got I got rhythm and core, PCRA hearing, you know, paid his attorney, trying to get my H files, get some time back. So I'm optimistic.
SPEAKER_02Seven, you said you got seven years, and that's a that's a nice lube. That's a that ain't nothing to sneeze at, Mooch. That ain't nothing to sneeze at, man. I I done did 21 of them, man, and seven years is a long time thus far. You know what I'm saying? Now with all the proper paperwork in place to get you back in court and stuff like that. How you feeling today, man? Like, I want to ask you, how was you feeling when you first got sentenced to this? To to to now. Is it is it the same feelings that you harbor?
SPEAKER_04No, when I first got sentenced to it, it was like finally I can sleep good. I know what it is.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_04And and and now, like now, you know, I took uh I I had uh I took my my deal in uh December, twenty December twenty twenty-one. And so I came to state. I mean, no, I took it online, I took a November eighth, I came to state December. So Nov November eighth of twenty twenty one when I took it. And I mean I was relieved, like, you know, the weight handle, not know what's behind what's what's the the future, all this stuff. So I took it, I feel good. But now it's a draw where like you know, sometimes it played your head like I probably could have got lower. It probably could have been a better situation, a better out. So sometimes it'd just be like you don't know if you really made the right decision or not. So that that that play you that play in the back of your mind, especially when like, you know, people dying and and stuff happening and situations bring you back to reality, like yo, I'm not there. I'm there as far as you know, verbal, but I'm not there physically. So when the physical aspects start coming into play, you start like I start thinking about everything, and they come back a full circle, like damn, I should've me.
SPEAKER_01So uh now that you you know that you you you in Chester, right?
SPEAKER_04I'm in Chester, right.
SPEAKER_01And now is this this will be your home jail? You trying to get closer or you know, just you know, you cool right there because Chester, right? Like right there, like like Phoenix is.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I mean that's my home jail. I mean I came here from Rockview on the promotional to you, chill chill without you, 'cause you know I was at Rockview, you know I'm glad I went to that older jail with older dudes 'cause they kinda they helped me with the case. I feel like if I didn't go to Rockview, I'd have still been just playing bars and getting lost in the time. You mean so went there and by me knowing I got courts and gotta get put certain deadlines and certain things, it made me focus and stay off the hole. So the time, you know, a couple years come like now I'm trying to get closer to my family. People getting old, people getting sick. I I'd rather get close now, you mean, and instead of just sitting back waiting and having fun. So this is my home jail. I've been here since uh March, March 27th uh last year.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Um, let me ask you a question, because you know, we on on this podcast, what we do is man, we try to do a lot of things. Like we had we had we had you, you know, do you you know five up new ski?
SPEAKER_03No.
SPEAKER_01Listen, that's a young kid from the city, man, young guy like it, like yourself, who came to the city. He just came on from jail and he said, I'm done. I'm not I'm not dealing with the streets no more. I'm I'm done. And what we do is we give people a platform to speak about their hardships, you know, whether it's they're in jail, whether they're coming home, and you know, whatever it is that they want to do, but it's all about being positive. So this leads me to something that I wanted to do for a while because I seen this, I saw Sunderwears though, I saw you and your father was you know was having some issues. And to be honest, your father is me and your father real cool, man. Like, you know, me and your father real cool. And he's the type of person, just speaking from my my experiences with him, uh, me and him. Anytime I call him, he comes through, anytime I need him to, you know, to do anything for me, he he he he does it for me. Now, I'm not trying to be in y'all's business, whatever, but for me, from outside looking in, I want to try to talk to you and say, you know, I want y'all to rectify that because we're just talking about people, our podcast today is talking about people who trying to who who not trying to help build the bridge but separate two whenever there's a a conflict. A lot of times when we're in prison, so forth, and so on, things is happening. We don't have the right people in place to kind of talk to us and and build those bridges. So for me, I understand your situation and where you at. And I feel like, you know, after what happened, what I saw, I wanted to let it die down, but I wanted to come in and speak about it and be like, you know, I think that y'all should rectify that and fix that. How do you feel about that?
SPEAKER_04You know, you know, like my drawing is, man, you know, like there's a lot of times where I didn't call home thinking I'm gonna talk to somebody and it was dead. So I never have a problem, you know, with with with with with making anything right. You mean like at the end of the day, that's my dad. I love him.
SPEAKER_02I'm glad you said that.
unknownYeah, I might I love him.
SPEAKER_04I love to talk to him, you know what I mean. Like, you know, like we can't change it with the past, we can only d dictate the future, you know. So like at any given time, like you want to talk to me this and that, like I'm all for it. I mean, like I got I I got time, man. I need I need I need both I need both supports. Mom and dad, you feel what I'm saying? Like, you know, I'm not above that. I mean, uh I'm not above that, you mean like I need it, you mean? It's more than ever than right now, you feel what I'm saying? Yeah, like you know, it it it hurt my feelings, you know, like not being able to talk to him, you mean? So, so you know, I'm definitely all for it, you mean, but like it's just up to him. Like, I mean, it's up to him. Like, you know, I don't I mean, like, I'm I'm all for it. I mean, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Hey Mood, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that he would not be willing to do what you said. Because he's a man, you know your pop better not do. He's a man, you know, we all men, as far as in like with the kids, and when when you get to an early an age, like I like to tell Torfika all the time, we ain't got to agree on everything. If you got two different individuals and they agree on everything, somebody is doing some jumpy riding, somebody is doing that, man. Because we two grown men is not gonna agree to everything. We ain't never had no argument, no fight, no nothing. That's a fake relationship. Would you agree with that? You might think think something else.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, no, you argue with your brother, you argue with your cousin, you argue with your friend, you argue with your companions. No, that's that's definitely, you know, debate arguments that happens. Yeah, and like you know, as a as a person, you should want the strong around you, not anybody that's just yes. So you want the strong around you that if I'm here's out of pocket, I'm in the wrong, check me. Because sometimes you need that strong friend of like, yo, bro, you tripping, bro. I don't agree with that. No, you tripping, bro. Uh, you can be mad, bro, but you tripping, I don't care. You mean so I want strong people like that. So I agree. Because if you're saying yeah to everything, I can be about to burn and and we both don't know it, and you let me bang out, you more dangerous because you a dumb friend. Exactly. I mean, so you more dangerous to me than a smart enemy. Right.
SPEAKER_01You know, I talk I talked to your uh to your own, and I talked to your, you know, your aboo. I talked to both of them. And um, you know, what I get from them, man, I think that they they both love you, man. Of course, because you you're their child, but and it just it's just a different feel, like, you know, by by speaking to them and and them being and you being the situation that you're in, it seems like they both want to help you. You know what I'm saying? They want to help you, or they or or they or they want to make things, you know, right for you. How many people in jail did you see that don't even have their parents to be to even support them that's that's in there in that situation?
SPEAKER_04Man, a lot of people, man. A lot of people like from old to young. Like, it's no, it's like it's just like you you could you could just feel it, man. Like you be talking to somebody and they'd be like, I don't man, I lost my mom six years ago. You like, damn, six years. Yeah, I lost my I lost my dad. So it it'd be it'd be it'd be it'd be mind blown, right? Uh oh the rock view, man. Or Carl, you feel the homie. He was like mooes, man. He was like mooch, man. Talk to your dad, bro. Like, you know, like I'm a dad. I got I got life.
SPEAKER_05You feel what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04I can't be there, man. Like, you know, as you get older, you know, we prone things to happen. You know, I lost my dust my dad. I could never talk to him. So my kids, I try to be there even though I'm not as perfect or as I sh I should be, you feel what I'm saying? We all growing. We never stop growing. And and and that was like a real a real like a real gut check and a real jaw, you know, 'cause sometimes you know like you know when you win these jaws, you be in your head and you be growing and and and you know, you be going through things as well and trying to figure it out. Um and like I feel as though uh I feel as though like everybody, not everybody, but everybody don't have that support. So that's why I said earlier, I need them more than ever.
SPEAKER_05I'm not above that.
SPEAKER_04You feel what I'm saying? Like I my mom does everything she's supposed to. She she means she ri' been riding. You feel what I'm saying? But I need, I need, I need, I need that support from everybody. My dad, whether it's my grandma, whether it's everybody, you mean just to just to know that it's somebody to lean on. Like I'm disabled right now. I need a crutch.
SPEAKER_01What's the most difficult the most difficult transition you had since being in there? What has been the most difficult thing for you?
SPEAKER_04The most the most the most difficult thing for me is, you know, when I see when I see like my daughter, or when I see like my little sisters, and it's time to leave and they cry. Or my daughter asks me, you know, when can I come with you? Can I stay with you? It makes me like feel like I'm in a way or I'm a nut. Even though I was running around before she was even thought of, you know what I mean? But it's like to sit back, like, damn, I'm a parent now, and trying to dictate how to be a good parent, because you know, I came in as a kid. I mean, I'm still young, 27. So I I came in, I was just turned 20. So I'm still like trying to figure out how to be a parent. So that's like the hardest transition, being like uh running around in the streets, running around pressing the issue, and now making decisions that not just for me, but for people around me, like my daughter and other people that means to me. So that's like the hardest, like the hardest transition, like trying to know when to let certain things go and put my pride to the side. And so that was like the biggest transition, like just growth.
SPEAKER_01How old is your daughter now?
SPEAKER_04She is six, she turned seven October 24th. Inshallah.
SPEAKER_01Inshallah. Yeah, man. So, you know, ban ban in in in uh in state uh custody, right? Band in state custody and uh band away from your family, being away from your daughter. What do you do? Like, what's the most what's the what do you do to kind of occupy your time most of your time while you're in there? What are you doing? What's what's a daily regiment for you?
SPEAKER_04Uh, you know, you know, my like right now, it's kind of summertime. I mean, I uh I go to the yard, like they go to the yard, work out, play basketball. If not, I go to work and go to classes. I go to class, like I just got a certificate for Impact of Crown. I got like, since I've been down here for a year, I done probably got like seven, eight certificates. I mean, so I've been trying to keep focused, keep focused, and I play ball and I pray. And on my like my down times, I go over my my Airbnb and trying to speak, learn a language. I mean, go to classes, read the books, we know Medina book. So, so I I definitely have like a nice little schedule, you know, basketball, yard, workout, phone, shower, uh, school, uh, yard again, phone. Like, it's like I kind of have like a schedule, and I uh I just try to keep my mind busy. Just try to keep my mind busy. That's like a I'll be, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so um you know, uh to to to just say your your father just uh hit the chat up. He just joined into the chat because you won't hear, but he I don't know if he's gonna call in and I speak to you. But the thing is, uh, I want to say, um, you know, by you being so young and and being in your in your in your situation, um do you think that you've you've got you you've grown up and learned from your mistakes, or you feel like you know, you know, you've you you understand life more now?
SPEAKER_04Yes, because I'm gonna say yes because and I and I I'm gonna say yes because I know what it's like to get my life taken from me. And just the little things that people t take for granted, like I mean, like having a bathtub or having a real bed or you know, little things like this, you mean, or having like real good food. You mean and um I learned, I learned, like you know, like just sitting back, like seriously, right? Like they gave you a sentence and they basically told me, man, watch yourself deteriorate. We ain't gonna kill you or nothing, but we want you to deteriorate. And just sitting back and just looking at my ID pictures. You mean hairline receding, you mean like I'm getting I'm looking older, you mean I'm I'm I'm I'm feeling it like it's just like it's like you just look up to your lady like I'm a different person. You looking at pictures, reminiscing. Reminiscing, like I I I I got it, man. And I I I learned I learned who really loved me. You know, I was loyal to a fault. You mean so I ain't really know who loved me. I mean, now I I do. I know it's important now. I didn't. I thought I knew what was on, but I didn't. I was lost. I I was I was lost, man. I'm good. Oh yeah, I was lost, man. I definitely learned. I definitely learned, man. I I cherish it, man. I cherish it. That's why I like my homies that's up here, that's on their way out, or close to while now, I won't let them crash, I'll pull them to the side. Like, bro, you about to be you about to have a phone time that's unlimited. My drawing 15 minutes. You feel what I'm saying? You about to have a drawing that's that's unlimited. So I I I I trying to like I cherish it, man. The people around me, I be wanting them to have the same same views I'll be having, like, oh, this was going on. So I definitely understand, man, growing up in this draw.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, man, because at the end of the day, when you know, when when when when it's all said and done, at the end of the day, you know, we all gonna need each other at some point, man. We all gotta support each other. We all gotta, you know, gotta gather around each other because you're going through a hardship right now. And it's a lot of brothers. We can see brothers in the background now going through a hardship who have you know, some people, like you said, that's there that may not have the support, may not have their family there, may not have people to to talk to. And and I it's like what how many prisoners is in that system right there? I mean, in that pr that jail, at least like 3,000.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, uh uh prisoners, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Well, this is a small jail, so I'm gonna say I'm gonna say like 1200, 1200, 15, like yeah.
SPEAKER_01That's still a lot of people in there. And out of the 12, 50, 12, 1200 to 1500 people, how many people think in there got some, or just give if you give a number how many people got got people out there that's out there supporting them?
SPEAKER_04Like, it's it's like uh not not too many, a few, a few. And it's so crazy because we 15 minutes away, no more than 45 minutes from Philadelphia, man. And it's and people don't get visits. Like, like it sounds crazy or mind blowing like we dance, you can you can catch the bus. It's a bus, the 113, right in front of the jail. We see it. And and and people don't get visits, you know, I mean, and that's just like that's just like uh a fact. Like it's people I'm black like, yo, bro, if folks live 15 minutes away, man, they ain't come see me yet. You like it? Folks live 30 minutes away, they ain't come see me yet. So that's a lot of people, man. That's just like that's just like everybody fortunate enough. You can see it though, man. Like you can see it. Some people carry it well, but then some people you could just see like the anger or the bitter or the or the milestone they heart.
SPEAKER_02Let me ask you since you said that though, Mooch, is you angry? That's what I want to get to. I want to get to the bottom. Because when I first got locked up and got sentenced, I blamed it. They gave me 420 months. I blamed it on everybody that I was hanging with. I blamed it on the rat. I I blamed it on everybody but me. And it took me till I got to like my 11th year, 12th year, till I started sitting there, like, you know what? Ain't nobody put a gun in my head, make me sell dope or shoot niggas and none of that shit. I'm I am 100% liable for what I did. So I stopped placing the blame. So I'm I say that to ask you, you know, because you a young man growing up and I heard your name a lot. Moose, they all they think they talk about you real. And my thing is I had a press I had a uh damn we're talking to you today. Like, man, Moose Youngboy, he went in as a kid, I went in as a kid, and at the world, that's what I'm trying to get out of you right now.
SPEAKER_00But you still gotta find yourself. A lot of people blame everything when everybody else went. It's so not you per se, I'm just talking about the convict overall.
SPEAKER_03I was mad at one point, you feel me? I f it was it was mad, it was a mad feeling as far as I love you, I'm willing to go with it back for you. Right, wrong or indifferent. You're my friend in private, you're my friend in public. I didn't get the same in return, so I was mad. I was mad. But then I'm like, I'm gonna not. So I'm just sitting back on, like you said, man, like I really know who they was, because we never get put under pressure.
SPEAKER_04You feel what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03And it's a lot of them that did stay solid.
SPEAKER_04I'm not saying not right.
SPEAKER_03But you know, people that know they know what's up, you feel what I'm saying? Um sit back and be like, I needed it, man, because if I didn't get in this situation predicted, uh who was really solid. So I'm not mad no more, it's relief because now I like my choice was kind of forced.
SPEAKER_04I mean, like, you know, like you know, you you know it hurt me, man, took my freedom, you know, made a statement or tried to get me convicted of his lies and falsified, you know, I cried. I cried, I couldn't believe it. You couldn't tell me I had the sturdiest group of men around me. You mean I cried. So I I I was mad and I was on there, you mean? And and and but you know, like I said, man, like, and I don't justify it, I don't condone it. I just want them away from me. And now I I can I can walk away like yo, damn, I know I was solid. I know about I know I'm solid, I know I stay firm, I know I pressed the issue need to be. Everything good, man. It's cool. Don't worry about it. So I'm I'm I'm I'm I felt myself, man, especially with your religion as well. Like reading, you know, reading make you smart.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yes it do. I done read over a million books. People think I'm lying.
SPEAKER_01Let me let me ask you a question, Mooch. Yo, uh, now that you did the uh you you just well, you you did the the uh the interview with uh with with uh Johnny Mack, right? Yeah. Do you feel like you know if you could if you can do it all over again, would you would you would you do it? Would you change that?
SPEAKER_04No. I would still do it. You know, you know, like you know, like like a like you know at the time, man, you know, I felt like that was best, that was like that was like best for me. You feel what I'm saying? You know, like you know, I'm I'm a joint where like you know, sometimes I make decisions that may not be perfect in your eyes, but to me, it may be right at the time. And you know, I could stand on like what it is. I feel like it was right. You feel what I'm saying? You know, like I just I just felt as though I had to rectify that I felt was wrong. You feel what I'm saying? Like, you know, like I that was just what it is. You know what I mean? And like, you know, like that's why anything after that was just like it is what it is, you feel what I'm saying? But I never be like, oh no, like, cause it's that's that's that's the right thing to say. That's not how I feel. You feel what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01Well, do you do like Do you still feel it? Because you know, your father spoke about, you know, um the stuff that that hurt him in the interview. Um certain things hurt him in the interview that was said, or whatever the case may be. Do uh do you think that you know you could talk to him about that and or probably you know say something that can kind of make things easy between me and you? Because he remember you and him, because he he felt he felt some type of way about it.
SPEAKER_04Well, well, like you mean it depends, like you would have to say what. Because you know the only thing I spoke was the truth. You mean like I I I can't, I can't, I can't, I I I it's the truth, bro. Like you mean, like, like I said, the truth, I could feel how I feel, bro. You feel what I'm saying? Like, you know, I'm in this draw, you mean? I got I got I got I got 40 years, man. I got 40 years. I I feel how I feel. I mean, I'm I'm growing. I know I made my decisions. I was running around wrecking doing I was doing, I could stand on it. I've been standing on it from day one. You mean so like you know, like this is a decision I made, and you know, I just spoke the truth. I just felt like it was out, it was it was harvesting the side of me, man, and you know, I'd rather get it out, I'd rather get it out instead of me harving that animosity and that joint be in it. You feel what I'm saying? And um, because it it took me it took me a while to be this humble. It took me a while to be this humble. You mean? And that was the best way I could have did it. You know, I don't feel like I slammed him, I don't feel like I used foul language, I don't feel like I downgraded him. I just kept it honest. You mean I don't think I cursed in it. You feel what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01But I'm I'm gonna say this to you. Sometimes we can say certain things, and even if it can be, even if we might feel like it's the truth, we may still affect, you know, other people by by what we say. And if a person tells you like, you know, that hurt me or that or that bothered me, even if it's the truth, do you still feel like you mean I you know I'm I apologize, you know, for whatever I mean?
SPEAKER_04Because you know, because a lot of times it's not what you say, it's how you say it. So I can agree to that. Like I said, if I'm wrong, if I'm wrong in certain things, give me your aspect of why I'm wrong. And then you know I will give you my aspect of why I feel like I was right. And we can find the common ground. I'm all like I said, I'm all for that. You mean but you know, like I said, like you know, I'm down chest, I'm in the hood, I'm in the trenches. So you know, people coming in, you know, it's just chatter and gossip and telling me like I'm hearing stuff. So it was like, it was like a the where it looks and this and that. So I just feel like I had to just just just get my side out. You feel me? It was like it was feeling the rest. I was under the rest of it. I I ain't feel it, man. So I just had to speak out. You know what I mean? It was just like, you know, I just be sometimes like if that wasn't the case, would it had the same controversy, would it, would it did, would it was, you know what I mean? I just I just I just felt like, you know, like I said, like it's not what you say, it's how you say it. Like I said, if I said something wrong, he would have had to like express to me, like, yo, I felt as when you said this and that, and I would tell him why. I mean, I'm I'm I'm I'm grown and I ain't no kid, so like we can talk. But it's like, you know, this this just is what it is, bro. I got feelings too. I know I'm tough, I'm solid. You mean I done lost people too. That's my brother too. I love him. I lost him. Yeah, me, I lost a lot of people. My family not there. I'm in this draw. I wake up, the door closes. Me at night, I ain't got no refree range to do what I want. I'm in this draw. I'm jealous with a 40 year sentence and until for the notice. 13 left. I feel away. You mean I I mean it's it's times I cry, man. There's times I cry in this draw alone. I mean, I'm like, damn, like, man, I see people die, people catch cancer, people, all types of diseases. Like, it's it's it's a it's a it's a joint where I I just I just told the truth, man. Like, I told the truth, man. That's that's it, man. Like I said, like if it's a joint where he tell me what it was and what's wrong, then you know we could figure it out from there. I'm all for that. But it was the truth, bro. That's all I'm gonna say.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, man, yeah, I understand that. Um, and I and and and I just speak about it, like I said, because you know, my relationship with your father, man, and he type dude, I call him into my calling, you know, if I need to come on a sports show or come on anything I got going on, he's he's always there to support you know, whatever I got going on. So uh me looking at it, I'm a father too, and I have issues with my son. I got a 20-year-old son, I got major issues with my son, you know. And um, and I and I had to sit back and understand his gratitude, but he got to understand too that I'm his father. And certain times, you know, kids subconsciously, y'all may have issues, like if we got issues, and then if we just sit back just throwing jabs or saying things back and forth and not really honoring it out, speaking about it, it can grow into or go into a place where it's though we're not communicating, you know what I mean? And that then that just allows everything else to people to see that people is whispering, people saying they say, like I said, people coming into jails, saying stuff to you, saying stuff or mentioning certain things to you, which is making you feel in some type of way, you know what I mean? And I think that you and your father, man, you know, I want to see like I'm I was trying to get them to call in because I wanted to try to, you know, fix that because I understand the importance of you know the relationship. And like right now, in the situation that you in, you need your father, and he needs you, honestly, because like you say, y'all lost, you lost your brother, he lost, he lost another son. So y'all both are trauma bonded by that situation, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04Right. And and and and I and I agree to that, you know what I mean? I agree at a hundred percent. And like I said, man, like you know, it it and I could tell you, like, advice, man, it's never too late. But I'm gonna give you as a son aspect, because you said you haven't, you know, situations with your son. Um you know, you know, like sometimes, man, like sometimes you know, like we be dealing with our own pride issues, man, and we all be we all be meaning, like, you know, I know y'all look at us like we grown, but we still kids at the end of the day, and we always gonna be all kids. You feel what I'm saying? So it may be times where we may be off the deep in the wrong, and sometimes you gotta reel us back in. You know what I mean? And uh, and it's a joint where like, you know.
SPEAKER_01How do we do that? How do we how do we reel y'all back in? Because sometimes, you know, sometimes kids hardheaded, they don't want to listen. How did how was it do do I just give give do you give the kid the space or do you talk to him? How do you reel them back in?
SPEAKER_04Me, me from your point of view. Me personally, like you know, just like yo, listen, I apologize. Anything I did wrong or my and a miscommunication, or I said, I apologize. But I did not know that it was gonna make you feel this way, or I did not, that was not my intent. And and and and and you know, as a as a as a person, that's it, you love your parents by by nature, you just love them. So even if they do something wrong, they can do whatever you're like, man, that's I love him, man. He forget, all right, come on, man. I'm I'm in it. You feel what I'm saying? And um, I feel as though like just to just to even if you're wrong, even if you're wrong, that you feel like you're wrong, just to admit it. Like, yo, I I apologize, I'm wrong, my bad. If I do anything to that you dislike or this and that, and like how can we make it real? How can I like tell me where I went wrong and what you want me to work on is better. And I can tell you the same thing, and just just to give me like a type of a choice, uh a closure. Because you know, we men, and we also don't want to be like we kids too. So it's like we don't want to be wrong, we still got our pride, like who we think he's talking to, we dealing with like I'm that too, like I ain't but so we be thinking like irrational sometimes. So that's why I say roll back in, man, just to give me like closure. I just give me like and this is just me speaking my personal opinion, and I feel like general people will agree, some people may disagree, but yeah, just I apologize, bro. Miscommunicate. I'm sorry, I ain't I ain't no no better, man.
SPEAKER_01How you feel about apologizing, you know, even if you've your your father your father on calling, you know, because he like you said, it's maybe some things you may feel some type of way about and just you know speak to him like yo, I apologize for whatever happened or whatever I may have said to make you make you feel some type of way. Is that something that you willing to do?
SPEAKER_04I I'll do it. I do it, you mean like I I I feel like to me personally, I feel like it shouldn't have gone that far. I mean, I feel like it shouldn't went that far, you mean? I mean, like, you know, I shouldn't have went that far. So I definitely do it, like I mean. Like, like I I I apologize if he if he felt the way, you mean? And he he can feel away, you mean, you know, he told his own feelings and opinions, you know. But I would give her my rational opinion. I mean, you feel what I'm saying, as well as too, like to tell you like this is the reason why it went that way. You mean and and give you like I'll give you my explanation. Like you won't just get just a I'm sorry, I'm gonna explain to you why. You feel what I'm saying? You know, a lot of us deal with you know, probably don't want to be the one to be like, I'm copping out first or I'll bow down first. I don't got power bow bowing down. If it's the right thing, if it's wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Hey, like I mean, I can I can admit it. Sometimes I'll be wrong, sometimes I'll be right. I was perfect, I wouldn't be in jail. So you know, I I definitely I'm definitely willing to do that, man. Like I said, man, like I just got a photo book. I just got a photo book of him, my brothers, my sisters' photo books. I'm sitting back in the television, I gave it to my cellar. He like he just looked at me like, damn, bro, you miss him, don't you? I'm like, I do. He was like, he was like, oh, like, how how you gonna rectify it? I said, bro, I don't know how. He said, What you mean? I said, bro, I don't know how. I'm not gonna tell you anything. I said, Well, I don't know. If I could, I would, but I don't know how.
SPEAKER_03All right. That's that's your man.
SPEAKER_01Let me ask you this question a little switch it up because I I know you I know you and Chester, but I know you hear about a lot of the uh the YBC indictments and a lot, a lot of these young boys getting indicted. Uh, what's your thoughts on that? And a lot of these young boys facing a lot of murders and you know, attempted murders, and you know, all the stuff that's going on. How do you feel about that? I don't know you heard about that stuff. Did you hear about those indictments going on?
unknownYeah, we know we get it. You know, we get it.
SPEAKER_04You know, we get it first, you mean? You know, we get it on the channel six, channel, ABC, NBC, every see it. You know, I feel as though man, like you know, like you know, they was they was they was they was they was they was misled. We we we uh locked up my age back, we'd be they big bros, and we not dare to give them the right game. You mean they just follow in our footsteps, you feel what I'm saying? So I feel as though I feel as though we shouldn't grind or we should we should kinda I cater to them and ask them like damn what's up why you was thinking like that or why you was moving like that? And I just give them an insight to understand them before I judge them, because I was once them. I mean I would I was once them. So you know, I I just feel as though like you know, little bros just you know, y'all tell little bros like even though I don't know them, but they like me. They look like me. They in the same predicta mind, you man. Stay close to your religion, keep everything close to your chest, you mean, and just lick your wounds and bow down, because they will take your life, they will give you life, they will give you life plus. I've been recharged, I didn't through the court, I've been through all that, you mean so I just say, man, just stay firm, kid and close to the vest, man, and and bow down if you gotta bow down, man. And I don't know, telling stuff or nothing like that. Nigga, that straight, as far as like they come to you with like, yo, take this 15 to 30, see another day like alright. Give me that. Eat that. Don't don't be there. My young boys, little sue and new, man. Little sue of far is little new down Phoenix. They offered them some time like that. They turned it down, they got 45 to 90. And these are little I cry when they got the time. I got a newspaper article in my cell. So so I I say that to say, man, like you know, just just just just hold your hair, stay close to the vest, man, and and and dudes as old that do hear about this and they come across you, don't be like, get them dumb young boys away from me. Bring them in, embrace them, give them the game, because they they didn't have it. We did here. Yeah, that's how I feel about that.
SPEAKER_01So now this is something that we spoke about before because we've seen a lot of young boys who who who go up there and they try to fight. They say uh they offered a deal 25 years. It was just the young boys who killed the killed the rapper Fulio. Something like the uh underheard about the Fulio, the rapper got Fulio.
SPEAKER_04I'm not too familiar with that.
SPEAKER_01It's a some rapper, it's a rapper in like floor. They got killed, had a high profile case. They offered it, I think offered like 25 years, something like that. No, I don't think that was in the fool case.
SPEAKER_02Oh, no, that's my that was in what's the name case?
SPEAKER_01Uh oh, yeah, the other rapper. Yeah, other rapper, they offered him uh 25 years. Caso. Caso, yeah, offer offered him 25 years, and um he didn't take it. And they gave him life, and they gave him life.
SPEAKER_04Oh, exact example. That's another example. Another another bro that was like, you know what, come on, like I got like when I was 20. You mean to tell me I'm 20 years old to do 20 years? Yeah, I got some that more time in jail than in the streets. Get the hell out of here. That's what you're thinking. Man, you tripping, you can't see hell no. What I'll be 40. No, bro, no, they tripping. I ain't even do it. Man, they ain't got nothing. You mean you think like that, and then they hit you them joints and your heart just dropped. When they just looking at the paper, you like you just dropping butterflies. You feel you gotta use the bathroom. You like, what is they gonna say? What is they gonna do? Yeah, like and and and not to cut this joint short, but it's about to end in the minute. So before it hang on, can y'all bingo y'all anything happened? It goes off in the in the minute. In one minute.
SPEAKER_01Um what is it? Anything you want to say, any message you wanted to say, man, anything you want to say to anybody out there, you you know, people that's your fans, people watching, you know, your father, anybody out here, man, you want to just you know, a positive message, not nothing negative, something positive.
SPEAKER_04No, no, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nothing negative. It means just you know, I love who support me and I love who with me. I mean, right, wrong or indifferent, man. And you know, I'm ready to uh uh elevate and start my um my YouTube channel gets stuck rolling, and I also um be looking forward to my nonprofit from pushing Mr. Nonviolent and I uh and um I'm gonna have sweatshirts, hoodies, and and a lot of you know, trying to get some grants from the city to back the youth and put programs and stuff like that for the inner city. So just look forward to that. And um, Shallah, and um, you know, just race with me. I'm not sure if you pick them ups and downs, but you know, I'm a y'all to me. Uncut version, man.
SPEAKER_01Well, you you got you got our support, man, a thousand percent, man. And uh maybe one day we could probably set something up with you and your father, man. Even not only not even on camera, but off camera. Y'all can talk it out or something, man. You know, we can set it up, man. I want to be able to be that bridge because you know, I got a good report with you, that I got a good report with your father, man. And I hate to see these type of things that be going on. And but you know, inshallah, man, you know, I'm making dua for you, man. Everything works out for you, man.
SPEAKER_04Inshallah, inshallah, inshallah. I mean, and you know, set it up. If you want to do that, you can, man. I'm I'm opening up the floor to it. I'm there, I'm already two feet in. So if you can make that happen and that's the go, then that's what it is. And I appreciate y'all for having me on and taking the time out y'all day, man, to hear my story and answer my questions. And I appreciate y'all, man. You know, like a lot of dudes in this joint, respect y'all, respect y'all movement. I appreciate that. Respect y'all, yeah. Um, hey man, and then I think and I think this is a good job, man. I needed this, man.
SPEAKER_02It's therapy, it's therapy for me. I stood up here and it's therapy for me. Yeah, so yeah, I mean, we're gonna like you say, like we say, man, you call in, man, whenever you want to, man. Whenever you get the time to do that again, man, it's different things that I could it was a conversation I want to have with you, but the time is covered, cut short. But we can say that for next time, though. But until next time, man, you know, stay maintaining, man.
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