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The host spoke about a law that's being passed where parents can be sentenced to 6 months in prison for their children's crimes. If this law is passed it could be devastating to parents across the US.
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SPEAKER_01We're here live in Pod Rooms USA TNS Media Group with the team and the family. You know, uh, we're here today, I got my counterpart, Mr. Brahim Jackson. I apologize for the late start. I had to go handle some things, man. Got some good news today. You know, had to go sit down and take care of a few things. But we wanted to come in and give everybody, our family, uh a live, you know, and be and be consistent because you guys have been supporting us. So what's going on with you, Mr. Jackson? How you feeling?
SPEAKER_00Ain't nothing, man. Same thing, man. Staying out of jail.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. So what's up, man? I see we got, you know, J Money03s.
SPEAKER_00Here you go. Want to call everybody out.
SPEAKER_01But come on, just say what's up, family. You ain't gonna single everybody out, man. And uh David David Lassie. Hopefully I'm saying that right. Shout out to you, shout out to Terrell Walker, shout out to you know, John Michael, Turkey Baines, what's up? James LaFlames for sure, you know, Zenobia 0310, as crazy as she is. Shout out to her, shout out to everybody that's here today, man. Shout out to the gang. So, you know, Telsman Jells was want to put this uh disclaimer out there. Tell us Majels, we do not glorify prison in any way, shape, form, or fashion. We do not, you know, encourage individuals to break law to go to prison. Uh, we just come here to spread the awareness about prison to kind of deter people from going to prison. Um, we have situations uh whereas though I want to speak about uh young kids, man. You alright, man? You I was speaking about this, this, this, this, the young individuals who uh, you know, are breaking law. And sometimes, you know, we have situations where as though I just saw something where as though it was a kid, a young kid, 11-year-old kid, his mom was being assaulted in the house, an 11-year-old kid ended up firing a weapon to kill a man who was assaulting his mother. Um, for me, should this kid be charged? No. But, you know, they trying to say that they they could charge the kid, I believe, or I don't know what they're gonna do with the kid, but in this case, I think this kid he deserves not to go to jail. Somebody's assaulting your mother. Now he's 11 years old. He can't beat a grown man, so he goes and grabs a firearm. You know, what you think, man? Was he wrong for grabbing that firearm or um he's a child first and foremost, man.
SPEAKER_00They're gonna still charge him. He wasn't wrong for it, but in the eyes of the law, they not gonna look at wrong or right. They're gonna look at you had an unregistered firearm.
SPEAKER_01But they ain't saying they ain't say it wasn't unregistered. Maybe I don't know.
SPEAKER_00It got to be unregistered. 11 years old. This ain't hard for you. But it could it could be his mom gun that was all right, but you still got a gun that's not registered to you, so it's unregistered.
SPEAKER_01But it's registered it could be registered to that home.
SPEAKER_00Okay, she got license to carry, but you you still he still not gonna get the gun charge because she likes to carry. You got a gun just like you stole a gun from somewhere.
SPEAKER_01But if he's beating your mom up, depending on severity of it.
SPEAKER_00I get that, I get that. I'm just telling you the cruel and harsh reality of the law. If you sit up here like we in a daycare, that shit is gonna, they're gonna lock his ass up. And he wasn't wrong. He wasn't wrong for he did, but they're taking him to jail. He's gonna go to jail, he's gonna go through the procedures, they're gonna charge him with a firearm. Did he kill him or did he uh uh uh wound him? Killed him, yeah. He's gonna get charged with murder, regardless. They're gonna say this is why the police is here, so you're supposed to call us. Okay, granted, yeah, you're supposed to do that, but at the in the heat of a moment, the boy is 11 years old. A man is beating on his mother, you know what I'm saying? So he did what he you mean did he did. I'm not promoting going out and killing, but what would you what would you do? 11 years old, you coming and you seeing your mom getting stomped out. But the law is not gonna look at it like that, bro. The law is not gonna look at it like that. You're in here, you got access to a firearm, and you killed somebody. We ain't even talking about why it happened, how it happened, or when it happened. This is the actual facts of what happened. So, you know, I don't think he should get a lot of time, but you know, that's left up to the judges and all that. But me being uh a recovering convict and being in the penal system for majority, 75% of my life lived thus far, you see a lot of cases like this, man. The law is the law, the law is the law. They are going to charge him with murder.
SPEAKER_01But for me, I understand that, but is the judge really gonna prosecute? But sometimes you might get arrested, but the judge may not prosecute, may say that depending on the severity of the case, depending on how bad he's beating his mom.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it could be real bad, it could be real short. If he did that, and I don't it depends on the state, too. If he did that in Philadelphia PA, he's gonna get charged, bro. He's getting charged 11 years old. You're getting charged, you killed somebody. Then it was going behold. If bull, it did even more. We don't know the ramification case. Bull stand over top of a gun ready to fire or whatever, he just beating on her. Like you killed him. He's going to jail. If he can sit back here like you don't know what's going on, you've been you you ain't so far detached from the hood that you just stupid now. You know what's going on. He's going his ass to jail. And it's sad to say, it's sad. The laws is messed up. The man was defending his mother, rightfully so. But you can't go around killing people. They're not gonna look at the the ramification. No, he killed the motherfucker, he had got to a gun, and that's just it. Now, will they be leaning on him and giving the less of time possible? 90% of the time, they probably will. But that man is getting charged, bro. He's going to jail. I can't call him that boy is going to jail.
SPEAKER_01Is he is he going to jail to be charged? Or he's gonna be in jail being held. Is it just happening in Philadelphia? It's happening in Philadelphia. He's going to be charged and held over.
SPEAKER_00Yes, yes, 11 years old. He killed somebody. You can't go around and kill nobody tomorrow. You're 11 five years old. Get in there.
SPEAKER_01If you look at the case, though, I'm just saying.
SPEAKER_00It's sad. It's sad, bro. It's real sad. Yes, it tugs at my heart. But he's getting charged. The judicial system that we go by in the United States of America. Just because, oh, yeah, that was a bad thing. It's like that. People be getting killed all the time. People be getting off. He's going to go through the process. Now, granted, he's gonna get some leniency. They're gonna restore leniency, but he they got to uphold the law. He killed someone. Can't you go around and do that? Everybody be out here dead. You gotta go to jail.
SPEAKER_01Make sure y'all hit that like button, man. Everybody's in the chat. If you can hit that like button. Now you got you got a situation before I saw whereas there was a kid, I forget where this was at. The kid's mom was in the store. Right. And the bull said he's gonna knock his mom out. She said one more word, I'm gonna knock you out.
SPEAKER_00And bull came in there and fired his ass up. Yeah, uh, I don't know how that ended, but I think I I don't like to go up with a think, but I think they dropped all. I don't know. They did. They did drop. I don't know how true that is. Somebody could look that up. I think it was damn south somewhere, one of these little chicken uh uh restaurants, little uh uh fast food drawn, and the bull was in there arguing with an older lady, and I guess he was, you know, under the influence, drunk, whatever, and telling her to quiet up and start punching on her in the face and stuff. Her son came in there and and upped that fire on it. Put him in the side pocket with that rocket. Yeah, I would have the same thing, man. Yeah, but you know, but the conversation ain't about what's doing the same thing we're doing was right. We're going the conversation is about how the judicial system takes over after a case like this happens.
SPEAKER_01Now, is this one of the situations where you believe the judge is gonna say my hands is tied with this situation? But I gotta give you the minimum.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and do you think it he got he got to fee? See, you so far removed from the criminal world that I don't know.
SPEAKER_01I'm asking the question. I'm asking the question is this one is one of those it got nothing to do with whether me being.
SPEAKER_00But it's not even tied behind my back. He killed someone, but it's not even tied behind my back. You took a life, you can't do that, bro. You can't do that unless it's self-defense and you like it's proper protocol to go through taking a life. It gotta be everything proven. This man was trying to harm you, or this woman was trying to harm you, or your license to carry, and then other proceedings that lead up to that. But other than that, you got dudes that kill people with license and and and they still go to jail. You ain't supposed to did that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, they're running away.
SPEAKER_00The law, the law is messed up, bro. The law is messed up. They let you get these guns, but it's it's a thin line. He's he's he's gonna be charged with murder, bro. He and they're stomping up, it's a sad case, but he's gonna be charged with murder. It's sad he can start go start a GoFundMe and everybody can look out for him, but he's gonna be charged with murder. 11 years old, okay, rightfully still. He's supposed to knock his.
SPEAKER_01But it's not, it's not, it's it's probably gonna be like second or third degree. But it's still murder.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. You say it could be it could be eighth degree. It's murder. He will probably end up doing years of his life about this. 11. He's still going to do some type of form of time in prison. And now this is where the effects happen at. Not why you're going to trial, not why you're waiting to get held over. No, when you inside the penal system, this is where the mind becomes affected at.
SPEAKER_01This go this goes back to being a step parent, too. You in there arguing with your arguing with your old lady, and the young boy grabbed that grabbed pistol, put that pistol on your back. The big yeah.
SPEAKER_00Rightfully so.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yo, you didn't argue, you know.
SPEAKER_00No, I ain't in there doing no arguing. But listen, it's another thing, man. The piggyback off of that, man, what you was talking about. Nah, I just pulled it up. Um You in there talking about feet, people feet that's a good thing. In Washington, D.C., they have just passed a law. Uh, what is this, the governor, that DC parents can face jail time for their kids' crimes up to six months behind bars. So if your kid committed a crime, right? Mm-hmm. Kitted a crime, committed a crime, got convicted of it, and they feel as though that you didn't have the means to stop them, they're also sentencing you to six months in jail. So I think that's a go. I think they go.
SPEAKER_01So you okay with that? Yeah. So if your son goes out here and break a law and then they come in and say they're gonna lock you up for him doing it. Yeah, because I'm not, I'm out here with bullshit.
SPEAKER_00No, what if you wasn't? But but they're gonna make the findings. No, yes, they are. They said they're gonna make the findings. They're gonna go see, they can see if you a good household. If you say if you look, you come in that joint, you smell weed and all that type of shit. Like, oh, it's like, oh, yeah, we know what type of dude you is. You just letting everything go on, get in here for six months. But weed's never. But they come into a high, yeah, but still, but they come into a household as far as in how you have with your family, they're gonna come in there and say, Oh, the rest of some, oh, yeah, you cool, you exonerated. But you could go into a household and tell a whole bunch of nuts is going on. But like I'm saying, how many households you walked in and was like, Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but what I'm saying to you is this though, people may not be able to afford certain things, but they trying. Well, yeah, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_00I'm not talking about lavish and that you still see the struggle.
SPEAKER_01No, no, no, I'm saying, I'm saying still, it may, it may look like it's not no structure there, but maybe there is structural.
SPEAKER_00But no, how can it look like what are you looking what are the finding?
SPEAKER_01What are they what are they looking for?
SPEAKER_00You got a mom and dad in there, the kids is in place, people is at home. No, you're not with the structure. Okay, you might got a dad in there, okay. Uh a single working dad. It's certain things that you could see and be like, this joint got structure. You just got you got other siblings, they in the house, they ain't out. I come there at 11 o'clock, ain't none of your kids home, ain't no kid 21. What the hell is going on? I that's an indicator.
SPEAKER_01Parents probably gotta start telling from the listen. As soon as you do something wrong, I'm telling that. Listen, I hit I didn't authorize it. No, you do tell the kids that, but you gotta have something documented, I believe, that shows that.
SPEAKER_00I bet you, I bet you kids start, I mean, parents start taking effect. I bet you they start taking action. Yeah, I guarantee you, right now in Washington, DC, that whoever got children and they know they children out there with some crazy. I bet you they've been been approached the last week or so. I guarantee you that. Remember then nine times out of ten, they're a little older, our our age or a little over. Older. Ain't nobody trying to go, especially for a crime I ain't commit. You running around here like a fool. They getting checked now. But why do a person had to implement something like this for the checking to come in place? But I agree with that. Lock their ass up.
SPEAKER_01I was talking to um Skriller earlier. Skriller was talking on the phone uh and he was talking about everybody that he knows is in jail. Like the whole YBC people, all them, a lot of them guys is in jail, and a lot of them fighting murders, right? Mm-hmm. Well, PDs. All of them, no, no, nobody don't have have have really have lawyer money. He's like he's trying to figure it out. I told him, I said, you know how much it's gonna cost you, bro? To get lawyers for everybody.
SPEAKER_00Well, he said he's trying to get lawyers for all the young bulls?
SPEAKER_01Everybody that's in YBC. He said he's trying to do it. He said, because nobody ain't got no lawyer money. Not near one of them. He just said like right now he's trying to figure it out. He said it's a lot. I'm like, damn.
SPEAKER_00Well, yeah, that he becomes.
SPEAKER_01I said that's that's 50, that's 50. That's that's for the trial. He ain't talking about that little that little 15,000 for the preliminary.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And shit gonna be held over. It's gonna be next to nothing impossible.
SPEAKER_0165,000. So if you got 10 people on that on an indictment, that's 650 grand.
SPEAKER_00That's all they they charging like that for the homicides, but they're charging high for attempts to be able to do that.
SPEAKER_01But I'm saying some people got multiple homicides, at least at least 10 homicides in that case.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So you say 65,000 per uh per homicide, that's 650 grand.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah. Who doing that? One of the guys. One of the guys, one of the men to do it. If I was in position like that and I had some good homies and all that, and that wouldn't do that, not to say that I vouched for that, I would do it my heart like that to do it. You wouldn't have done it at one point in time. So don't sit up here and act like who's doing that.
SPEAKER_01But I'm saying, I'm saying right now, though. It's just like, you know, it's it's that's a that's a that's a daunting task.
SPEAKER_00That's a very yeah, because if you ain't got it, you ain't gonna be. You gotta spin that right now. Yeah, because you can get to think about it, like, yeah. The day go past and you like, yeah, I'm cool. I've been barked, I've been bit off more than I can chew. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01So that's a hell of an obligation, man. Like, they they they they put a lot of pressure on you on a lot of people just to do, you know, to handle all that stress. Like, you gotta be you gotta be a millionaire to be able to afford that. Yeah. People don't even a lot of people don't even see that amount of money in their lifetime. I mean, so and that's a situation where he's though, if he cannot muster up or he cannot grind up 650,000, right? If he can't do that, are people gonna look at him funny? He's on a tour, he won't go on one all around the world where they look at him funny. Who? Why? Why would they look at him funny? I wouldn't look at him funny. Because sometimes the perception could be, man, he traveled around the world, he couldn't even give us a lot of people.
SPEAKER_00Oh, oh, oh, oh, you talking about oh, you talking about, oh, oh, you're talking about from them if he don't pay no lawyer. Yeah, yeah, they're gonna look at him funny. Yeah, they're looking at him like he a comrade, they're gonna look at him funny, ain't like he just out of the way and he went on about his life and all that. No, he right there with him and they in videos, FS dependent and all of them, all of them. Yeah, they're gonna they're gonna look for a little support, like damn cuz, like whether it be lawyer money, commissary. What do you say?
SPEAKER_01I can't do the lawyer, I can do commissary.
SPEAKER_00Okay, but then you're gonna have that's what you're gonna have to take. That's what you're gonna have to take. Motherfucker told you right off from the gun bus what it's gonna be. Ain't what no lying and none of that. Oh no, I'm gonna get the lawyer and commissary, then you don't hear it for me for six months. That's the goofy shit. But if he tell you that, yeah, you know, I listen, I ain't got that, but I'm gonna make sure your book, all right, cool. Let me go ahead, my let me go work my other hand somewhere else for this lawyer money. But you gotta respect what a man says.
SPEAKER_01How many? You know, we talked to um Hamoji as well, we talked to other guys as well, Bricks, and it was like people they all said a lot of the same things. A lot of these young guys, the people that's coming in there, is fighting homicides with public defenders, right?
SPEAKER_00Once you go in there to do that, it's over. Well, I seen guys be the homicide with public defenders. Not in the state. Yes, I have. Who? In the state, I've seen a lot of guys be homicides with uh public defenders in the state. A lot, really? Yes. Oh wow. You get a public defender. I've never seen that. Yeah, you ain't never been in jail, until you go to jail, that's when you can start saying you've been in jail for a month. God damn it.
SPEAKER_01I seen people in the streets like a homicide with a lot of people.
SPEAKER_00My man Mel just be the homicide with a PD. PDs, PDs is regular lawyers, bro. Now you got the ones that's just getting out of college and all that. You can get Dave Mechek as a PD. That's how they pay their taxes. They gotta do a pro bowl with it. Oh, no, the fame. In the feds, in the state. Okay. In the state, I don't know nothing. I didn't have a lawyer in the feds. Shit got out of hand. I never had, I always had a lawyer in the state. In the state, you can get Gregory Pagan and stuff like that. They do pro how how often is that, though? That's not something normal. All the time.
SPEAKER_01Tyreek Chibaget to do a dude get the how many, how many, how many he doing he doing a year? How many did you do?
SPEAKER_00Oh, I don't know, but it's not he's not the only one. Only lawyer. Fake is thousands of lawyers.
SPEAKER_01They all got to do it. All right, so how often often is this though? What do you mean? How often do this happen? What that a do or get what? Get a high price, high price lawyer for a public.
SPEAKER_00It's not high, but it happens. Okay.
SPEAKER_01It's not high, but it happens. Shout out to the happy, uh, the happy golf four for the donation, man. He said uh great content. Keep keep us entertained and educated. Respect. So you we got you got people getting David Meshak and these guys as court-appointed lawyers, right? Right. And that's like one in what? One in a thousand? Well what you mean? One out of a thousand inmates get get that lucky draw hit the lottery.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or you can say one in a thousand. Go ahead. You can say one in the law. And you still might lose. Yeah, you still might lose with a paid lawyer.
SPEAKER_01That's what I'm saying. He will be a I'm just saying he's a high-priced paid lawyer. You still might lose. But I'm just saying, though, like the but the chances of you getting, if it's 10 people on that case, how many of them had to has the opportunity to have one of these high-priced lawyers as their public defender? How often is that? About three. About three.
SPEAKER_00It's underneath the minimum, about three. Now, is uh is that lawyer going as hard? No, he ain't being paid. I don't know. Now I can't ask you that. I can't, but he's he is being paid. That's the that's how he gets paid. That's how he pays his taxes. But I'm saying he's not gonna he's not getting what actual cash, but he's still getting that's money for him that he ain't got to pay for that. Well, then hear me out. Because without this pro bono case, he got to come out of his pocket. So yes, he is getting paid.
SPEAKER_01That's something that you want to do. No, but what I'm saying is, is he working it like he's like he's working a case like he's like he's getting paid to fight? Or he's just coming in there just to check it out.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because if you're doing this for pro money, yeah, I'm working at you. Ain't doing that? If my taxes is goddamn $400,000 or $60,000, and they're telling me they're gonna wipe out that $60,000 mark if I take a pro bone, two pro bones a year. Yes, I'm fighting it like I got the regular $60,000 case.
SPEAKER_01Right, but what I'm saying is they're sh they're still gonna do that win-loser draw. So he's going there, man, no matter no matter what happens, about losers' case or witness case. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So does does he come in there and put up a fight?
SPEAKER_00I don't I don't know, you want me to think about the I'm asking you a question. I don't know. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01You said you said you've been in there and they beat it.
SPEAKER_00He didn't even fight hard for me, man. Oh, I don't know about that because when they got the paid lawyers that it's pro bono for him, that's like I said, I seen dudes be the case with court appointed. I seen dude homicides. Okay. Like, damn, you beat that joint. They throw him out. Yeah, all right, cool. I don't know what's in the lawyer's mind or if he wanna fight it or not because he didn't, I don't know that. All I know is what they positioning and what they're doing. That's it. I don't know how they feeling afterwards or how they what they ate this morning. I don't know none of that.
SPEAKER_01I'm not asking what they ate. I just asked what do you think they want?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm not no psychic. I'm not no psychic. I don't know what he's gonna go in there and do. I just know that they're appointing uh big time lawyers to certain cases as court appointers, bro. As court appointments, they do it in the state and they do it in the feds. That's how they pay their taxes.
SPEAKER_01Wow. So you might hear somebody come down, yo, yo, I got a uh what's called my. Damn, you came up. How you get jacked? Those probably be lying. Like, yeah, my mom paid for that joint up.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you know they're gonna lie. They're gonna lie like hell. Oh no, you know my bro picked that up. No, nigga, you got a court appointed, man. Yeah, I mean you got a pro bono joint. Yeah, you you'll know who the ones that because you ain't he ain't getting all the official visits like that. They coming up whenever they want to. Then that's what do be happening. And then whereas though you pay for a lawyer, he's coming up whenever you call him to tell up. He got he's where he works for you. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01Wow. But you know, like, then in there that like like guys who like who get that situation, man, like that's like I said, that's that's really, really, really, really rare. And then for the most part, like you see people getting roofed. He said they're coming in there on they they coming in there on the bus by the boatload with 40s and 50s or lot of life in prison. That there is. I mean, they coming in there young young guys, man, 17, 18. Coming in there with that all that time. It's just man, it's just it's just unfortunate, man. Um you know, but like you said, if they start to to send send parents to jail for that six months, it's gonna be a lot of beatings out here. People won't be getting you could do something wrong, your parents are gonna chastise you from the gate. They passed that law. No, but they this already passed down there in D.C. I'm talking about here, I'm talking about Philly. Oh, Prince of Yeah. Well, I mean I'm I'm I guess which call is the same thing.
SPEAKER_00No, no, no, no, no. They they they everything is federal over there in DC? Yeah, everything is federal over there.
SPEAKER_01But I'm saying, but over here, in the city of Philadelphia, it's gonna be a lot of you know parents going to jail.
SPEAKER_00Uh oh, uh, or yeah, yeah, yes it is. A whole lot of them. A whole lot of them. I don't know if it would change it or slow it down, but it'll be more conversations about ho, what you would you where you going? It'd be a whole bunch of that more. Yeah, instead of you just walking out, motherfucker look up and look back down to whatever they're doing. No, it'll be yo, where you going? What you doing, and what time you be back? Yeah, it'll be a whole lot of that. Ain't nobody trying to go in that drone 45, 50 plus for a crime they did not do. You just waking me up. Come on, no time it is, come on, where? To the jail. For what? Yeah, for your son. You know, we just, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Let's get to the other topic. It was it was a young guy who uh went on live. He had just killed his girlfriend, his baby mother or whatever, killed her. He was walking out, he was just explaining himself, like saying that uh he killed her because she was trying to send him to jail or something like that. Um, I mean, he was wrong for killing her, even though she was sending him to jail. Do you think that he ended up killing himself? Yeah. Do you think he's he was just a little bit too emotional about it? Like, somehow you gotta Nah, he might be in the streets. You gotta leave him alone, man.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but he in the streets. He not see you. You you you can't talk for the street nigga. Feet you only could talk for the nigga that's in the law bodies and say that's what you is. Oh, so that's what you can talk about. Hold a street nigga, just think about it when you was a street nigga. When we was out there, motherfuckers was telling on us, then what? We went like, oh yeah, just let them go. No, his baby mom told on him before. And now I'm not saying this is right, but I understand because he his he's using the street dialect and mentality for it. His baby mom already sent him to prison before. She tried to send him again. She talked about he came in the crib throwing up. He like, and I he's going live, explaining. He like, throwing up. I done put this fire on plenty people before. Why am I throwing up? Then he finds out information that she's ready to take him down. He kills her. Again, I'm not saying this is right and we're not promoting this. But I understand he's in the streets. I don't know why my brother don't understand no more. The nigga done left and flew the coop so long ago that he didn't forgot what fucking colors he got. But listen, yeah. You know, I understand why he did. And then he killed himself. He said, Yeah, I ain't going to jail to do none of that time. Well, I'm gonna say I'm getting right on out of here. And I'm not saying he's right for doing it, but street life, you go by somebody telling on you. Street life, what they did, nine times out of ten, they tell they're shooting you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't matter what goes on. You know, if I'm in the streets, if somebody's telling on me, I don't, I'm not moving like that. That's dumb. You're not moving like what? Like all reckless like he just did. Why would he, why would he, why would he do if why we why we do something like that?
SPEAKER_00He already knew what he was ready to do. He knew he was killing himself, he knew he killed her. He said she looked at who does that. I'm not saying who does a lot of people look at this shit going on all over the room.
SPEAKER_01I'm saying I'm saying that it's stupid. It doesn't matter if you have removed yourself from the streets or not, you don't move in that manner and go to jail for doing something. He ain't going there. Well, or kill yourself. Well, how are you gonna tell him it was the same? It was one of the one or the other.
SPEAKER_00But but he evidently he could stand it. He did it. Well, I mean, it wasn't all I'm saying is that it was dumb. Okay, that's your opinion on it. He's living in the street life. Yeah, I mean, I can't say you don't understand him, somebody trying to tell him I don't agree with that. But so we was cool with people telemones back in the day. No, that's not you gotta listen to what I'm saying. You're saying you don't agree with it. So I'm I'm asking you.
SPEAKER_01For one, like if you if you if you're dealing with a woman in in in in and she out of pocket, you know, sometimes you gotta probably just you gotta walk away.
SPEAKER_00She made it send him to jail.
SPEAKER_01You're talking about walk away. He can walk to the back of the police car. Hear me out, though, man. Like, let me tell you. About homicides. Okay, so clearly he knew this, he knew he knew she told him before, so he should have got away from. But then ultimately, ultimately, what I'm saying to you is, you know, he shouldn't have did it anyway, but you shouldn't have did it did it like that if you was gonna do it. If somebody tried to send you to jail, you don't do it just words, or you put yourself in jeopardize your freedom like that. That just don't make sense. This is like I said, this is the problem with people. All right, but now you're going into a whole nother june.
SPEAKER_00You don't do it like that and this and that.
SPEAKER_01You made you made you made a statement. You said that I was so far removed, but I never was dumb when I was in the streets or I was never dumb. I'm not dumb now. So it don't it don't matter if I'm in the streets. All I'm gonna do is hear me out. Hear me out. It's not matter if I'm in the streets or a law-abiding citizen. I've never did nothing in the streets to the point where I'm gonna be dumb and jeopardize myself going to prison behind it.
SPEAKER_00He didn't go to prison, he knew what he was doing, he was gonna go to prison. He didn't, he knew he had a plan. They knew he did it already before he killed. Yes, yes, he already said it. And you think I'm going to jail? He said, Did you watch him talk about it? I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Yes, I do understand what he's talking about. He had a plan from the drive, he knew he was gonna kill himself. He said, Yeah, and if you think I'm he said it. I'm not going to jail, I'm about to end myself too. But he had a plan. I'm like, all right, well, damn, all right, then stand on your plan then.
SPEAKER_01I still don't think you understand what I'm saying, bro. If somebody told on me right now, and I knew that I knew that they told on me, I'm gonna get him out of here in a way where as though I would, if I was to do that, not condoning and saying, if I was to do something like that, like I would do it in a manner where as though I'm not gonna be uh uh a person of interest, or I'm not gonna be in the position where I gotta kill myself afterwards. So therefore, he made an emotional decision, which ultimately led to him not wanting to go to jail because he knew he was gonna go to jail, because they knew he did it, and then he killed himself because he couldn't handle the fact that he's gonna be in jail for the rest of his life. So therefore, he made a bonehead decision. And you don't have to be, you know, uh, you know, a rocket scientist or a street guy or whatever or a law abiding citizen to know that you gotta move in a certain manner when you committing crime, you're not gonna sell coke in front of the city. He probably didn't care about the manner no more. But you you made a statement said, like, I forgot, like I don't really because I'm so far removed, but I'm yeah, but you you have to me you have you probably he probably didn't care, bro. But no, what I'm saying to you is he it it doesn't not caring, since when has not caring been a part of the street cold that these young boys moved. Yeah, a lot of niggas don't care. You talking, I never moved like that.
SPEAKER_00Okay, that's what you won't do is some niggas that don't care. It was at a point in time in my life I didn't care.
SPEAKER_01That wasn't, but we still, but that's why every time you went to jail, people had to get money out to pay bell because if you move too reckless, you can't move recklessly.
SPEAKER_00Yes, that's a whole nother energy. We're talking about just him right now, Topik. Fuck all that shit. He had a plan, he knew what he was getting, he knew he was facing, and he carried it out.
SPEAKER_01I don't think you understand what I'm saying. What is you saying, bro? You made a statement saying that I don't understand because I'm not, I'm so far removed. Right. I do understand. Right. I understand that he's an idiot. That he was that he wasn't smart. Okay, that's what I'm saying. Don't nobody move like that. Who moves like that? And this is why he moved emotional and he killed himself. Because he Don't nobody do that, huh? Anybody not nobody smart? Does anybody do that? Fuck all that smart shit.
SPEAKER_00Do anybody do that?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, not people that's that's not smart do that. That's not smart. All right. Okay. It's not smart, man, at all.
SPEAKER_00I'm just saying, this is this ain't not this ain't shocking to me. This ain't the first time I seen something like this. You but it doesn't make it right, bro. No, I'm we're not we're not talking about right and wrong in it. We're talking about what he did and what he carried out. Now, that's a whole nother conversation. Now, if you ask me that question, I'll be like, man, he was wrong. He played that stupid, he should have gone about that. That's a whole nother junk. We're talking about, yo, well, what the hell did he wasn't thinking about, he knew his end. Once he found out she told, and he explained it, and he started going on what's he knew what he was gonna do.
SPEAKER_01Well, do me a favor. When you're comparing stuff, don't compare uh my my intellect or my my. No, I didn't compare you. I say that you forgot. I didn't forget. I just I just didn't I just never move like that in the streets. Okay. So I never ever that was I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I never compared you. I see.
SPEAKER_01I'm saying I would have never, you I'd have been like, this boy, whoever's moving like that, nigga was a nut. Like we had people that was in our labor that killed women and like this boy was retarded for doing that. And what the way they did it. You know what I'm saying? So for me, I just think that people gotta not saying you should commit crime in a way to get to get away with it. I'm just saying, like, you don't do stuff like that. That just like, I mean, that's just gonna have you in a bad situation. And they go, they're gonna send you to jail.
SPEAKER_00Well, in his case, he ain't go to jail. He already knew where he was going. Yeah. And I'm not saying again, I'm not promoting that, I'm not applauding him for that. He already had his plan, his mind made up, his plan made up, and he just was out there.
SPEAKER_01Shout out to uh I am Taylor Rouge. He said, if he has to take his personal feelings out of opinions, sometimes it comes off like you can't look at both sides. I just I I I respect your opinion. I just can't I can't for me, I look at the whole situation. Um whenever, whenever, whenever there's a decision made, for me, I stop and look at the whole situation. I'm not gonna react off of emotion. I'm not gonna do it. And especially, and then if I do get too emotional about the situation, I just feel like it's probably best for me to walk. I'm not saying this is that, and I'm not, and I'm not saying that, you know, I'm perfect in anything that I do. I just, you know, when I was running the streets, we made, I made calculated decisions. I never moved in a way like I'm just gonna do something reckless and send myself to prison for the rest of my life. Or put myself in a position, position where I'm gonna kill myself. But I respect your your opinion. I do look at the situation that he died, I look at it, but I look at it, he just moved reckless.
SPEAKER_00He definitely did that. And he was wrong. The way they moved. Yes, I but I'm not here to judge him wrong or right. I just see that we did, and then he ended it. He ain't waiting to go to jail. He said he knew everything he was ready to do. I'm like, this nigga crazy. That's it. And I see cases like this all the time. I've been in jails with niggas like this all the time. I'm like, damn, okay. All right, well, that's how you seem fit to do it. All right. We're not talking about if it was stupid or dumb. That's what we've seen. That's what we people been through.
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm. And you know, I'm I mean, I I understand, I mean, I understand why he did it. I just think that he shouldn't have did it.
SPEAKER_00Well, yeah, now we're getting somewhere. Okay, now when you put it like that, you can say that. He shouldn't have did it. But he didn't did it. He can't he knew he once he found out that she was telling again, he already pin his head. He killed her. Nam, let me let y'all know, yeah, she back here laid up, and this is why. And I'm out of here right now. Yeah. Okay, yes, it was stupid. It was bonehead, he could have, but people was doing this all the time, man. Yeah. All the time. These women playing games, and I'm not saying that, you know, this is was an excuse for, I mean, this is uh an excuse for him killing it all because it's always wrong. But women, you got to be mindful too. You know what type of nigga you dealing with, man. If you're dealing with a street nigga or uh a corporate nigga, uh uh uh whatever you want to call him, nigga. You know what type of man you're dealing with. Why is you playing around with this man like that? You done told on him before what you forgot you told on him, or what you think he didn't know. You see, the nigga already saying he done killed plenty of people before and then rain in your house. So you know he's serious. And again, peace be upon his soul, man. I don't want to see no woman die. But the women, you got to also be mindful too, certain things that you do or put you in harm's way. Put you in harm's way like a mug. You dealing with this wild coyote, this is what you call a wild coyote.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you know, and ultimately what's gonna happen is, you know, both of them, both of the person who's gonna be affected the most is the child. And then you and once she told him you the first time, you might should have got away from him. Well, yeah, he should have done, yeah. You know what I'm saying? She told me the first time. What's my child?
SPEAKER_00Well, a lot of people don't do that. A lot of people get told on the first time and still come back around. Yeah, I'm just saying. And be like, damn, you can't fault him for that. He probably he loves her. He loves her, especially when it's a woman and a man joint like that. Send you to prison and you be right back out, back in her face. Okay, cool. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, man, I can't fault him for that. It didn't, I think he said it's his child mind. So I can't, what the hell? Look how many dudes we know that girls send them to jail. As soon as they get out, they right back with them.
SPEAKER_01So you can't make this. It happens all the time, but I'm just saying, like, you know, sometimes you gotta you gotta pay attention to that because if prison sends you to do it, oh yeah, yeah, you definitely gotta pay attention to that. If they send you to jail one time, they'll do it again. Once a woman or somebody starts calling the cops on you, they'll call the cops on you again. And again, they may even lie, they may even lie on you to try to get you sent to prison. They might. You know what I'm saying? So you gotta, you know, I know it's hard to walk away, but sometimes you might just have to walk away before you get to the situation right here where you want to, you feel like you want to kill them. You know? You know, I just think that, you know, uh sometimes is it something that that that that we can teach or we can say to people like, hey, listen, take a time, like you always say, take a time to think. Maybe if you would take a time to think, he might he may have just made a different decision. I just think that you, you know, if you do certain things off of emotion and move in an emotional manner without stopping and thinking, because you can stop and and and um and think and then figure out a way to do certain things whereas though you're not put jeopardizing yourself. And that does not always mean committing crime, it means anything. You can stop and be like, you know, look both ways before you cross the street. I'm not saying that comparing it to him. You know what I mean? You just can't be reckless out here. You gotta stop and think about your livelihood as well. You know, I don't even know if it was a case pending against this kid. I don't know if they said anything because clearly if it's a pay if it was if it was if it was a case pending against him, he would have probably been on the run or been incarcerated, but he wasn't on the run or incarcerated from what they say. But he said that she told on him. So, you know, unfortunately that kid is gonna suffer whoever that kid is that they have because both of the parents was moving records. I heard young kids having kids, or kids having kids, and where's the parents at? You know, but um, yeah, I mean we we see these type of situations all the time. We see this emotional factor from the young guys. That's why they in jail. That's why a lot of them is you know in the in the graveyards, and you see, it's just it's just crazy, man. How many people, kids, I mean, how many young guys we've seen that's been just been buried or or killed because behind another emotional young boy? A lot. Two emotional, two, two young boys is very emotional, uh um, who are killing each other over rap songs or posts. That's everybody.
SPEAKER_00That's everybody down the days. And then in our community, yeah. One thing about it, controlling your emotions come with growth, not by being lectured about it. You could tell a person all day long, control your emotions, quick, they gotta go through the ringer, man. I believe that firmly, you might believe a whole bunch of other shit different. But I believe firmly that you have to learn, the the person and the person who we're talking about, me, anybody else has to learn to control your emotions on your own. Now you can get directions along the way, but to instill it in somebody, but I keep telling them it ain't gonna work that way. Because emotions is within. It ain't nothing that you hear emotional. No, you feel some type of way and then you act off of it. So you gotta go through it to understand, like, oh, all right, I remember last time when such and such, and I know to keep my cool, take a couple deep breaths, woo-saw, whatever it is that one may do to get themselves back under control. But emotions is not something that you can be told about and be cured. No. This is something me, I think, that you have to travel through. You have to lose your mind one time. When I say lose your mind, meaning wow, ah, hopefully you won't go to jail or get killed behind it. But then you can sit back and be like, damn, that was a bad move I did. That's the only way you fully truly learn, man. You're never gonna learn. To me, I don't give a fuck how much of a good father you is, mother you is, and you thinking you rich. No, them kids gonna have to learn how to control their emotions by their motherfucking selves. I don't care about if you rich, poor, you got big old houses, no house. You have to let your kids or the ones they you go, you could tell them along the way, but you fully got control over your emotions or what to do with them. But do you agree or no?
SPEAKER_01I mean, yeah, I agree. I agree that this is everybody gotta take their own path and learn certain things, but there are some things that you can instill in your kid in your child from a young age to help them deal with that, deal with their emotions. And sometimes, like, and and and one thing you can't do to your kids is scream and yell at yell at them all the time. Because now they see you be emotional, and that's gonna turn them off. You gotta talk to when you talk to your child, man, male and female. Because if you don't, then they ultimately gonna be emotional, and then they be out here reacting like you react. You in there screaming at your son, yelling at your son, yo, you can't be emotional, you gotta, you know, people always tell the boy, you can't be emotional, you shouldn't cry, man. You you a boy. Where is that from? You can cry.
SPEAKER_00You ain't never told your son that? No. Yeah, you got a different type of rap. It's like I don't even know you no more. It's like I don't know, man. I don't know. You gotta no, no, I'm just saying, like, yo, I'm not saying to the point of you saying that, but you I know you have used some man shit.
SPEAKER_01Like, yo, come on, man, all that right there, like when knee all that right there, but but yeah, I'm not talking about I'm not a person that's gonna tell my kid he can't cry.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but I'm talking about if the situation arise and he's sitting there moping around on some nut shit. We're not saying we're talking about crying, yeah. He's moping around with some nutshit. Moping and crying is different. But I'm talking about, but but yeah, but I don't I ain't see nobody see their son actually crying, like, yo, don't stop crying. I ain't see that. People see nigga doing some shit that could be classified as crying, pout, standing around putting, yo, man, the men don't do that. So I don't think nothing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, nobody no you nobody not allowing their kids to do that. Yeah, but I'm saying I'm talking about people, people, some people, some people tell their son if he's crying to stop crying, he's a boy boy. But uh boys and men can cry. Yeah, they can't wrong with crying. So if you got a son, you tell your son to cry. You know what I'm saying? It's um uh he should be able to that's that's that's a natural emotion. You know what I'm saying? So if he's crying, as long as he's not just crying for everything, you know what I'm saying? But if he's crying, let him cry. You know what I'm saying? Let your kid cry. Let him let him go through that emotion. Because then once he's once he cry at all, he's gonna feel he's gonna feel a whole lot better. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? So for me, I just I I never understood why people would tell they tell their son to stop crying. Like he like you uh like like girls cry, not boys. No, boys cry too. Yes, they do. So that's all that's all I'm saying.
SPEAKER_00I know I cried a whole lot.
SPEAKER_01Now if he's pouting and moping and walking around like with his lips poked out, like what you doing? Now now you acting too emotional. Now you're acting too too too emotional. You know what I'm saying? But you know, you your kids, no matter what you what you instill in your kids, sometimes it may not come out until they're older in age. It may skip them being 20, 21 in their early 20s, and it might kick in when they when they in their 30s. You just never know. Because you may instill so much into so much into your child, so many, you know, uh, you know, good things to try to do, get them to do so many different things. It may not come out when you want it to come out as far as them being who you want them to be, or you expect them to be, rather. It may come out later on down the line. And you know, just you guys gotta pray for your child. Hopefully they can make it to that to that age, that old age words, though, which call that. You know, I never I never will look at it, no matter what what my kids going through, I never will look at them as like a complete failure. You know what I'm saying? Never. I will look at them like they're just struggling with what they got going on. You know what I mean? He may just, you know, he or she may just come out come out of it at a later date because I struggled in my early 20s, like everybody else. I struggled. I wasn't, you know, something I something I wouldn't do, but there was a lot of things that I did do that were considered to be wrong. And I didn't really realize that so I was lit later on in life. You know what I'm saying? But that's just that's just what it is. So knowing this and knowing this and seeing this with it with your kids and your boys and your daughters and what and what they're going through, what they're faced in society, how important is it for you to kind of like, like I said, this six the six-month prison sentence, how important is it for you to start really start taking a look at your child, what they got going on, who they around, where they at, where they spend their time, what they watching on TV, all this stuff. When do you now is that something that people gonna start really paying attention to now?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because now their their freedom is at jeopardy off of somebody else's doings. But now the bad thing about it is so you got a 16, 17-year-old son, you damn near the brink of trying to pick get control back. Like, you didn't let shit just slide for all these years. Now you trying to come because another person put a law into play. Because if this law wasn't in the play, you still would be letting things go unchecked. That kid ain't gonna listen to you, man. This is a whole nother ball game now. Yeah. 17 years, you like, yo, you gotta put the gun. He like, what? Yeah, you they not listening to none of that.
SPEAKER_01And then ultimately, sometimes they can't put this with if you're still living in this in that environment, they can't put the gun down and walk up.
SPEAKER_00You gotta get them away. Yeah, so a lot of people don't have the finances to do that. They barely got the finances to stay where they staying at, let alone getting him away, unless somebody else from the from the family, another family member that lives somewhere or and is willing to take on that, like that come on, send him over here or send her over here. You know what I'm saying? But other than that, man, that shit be crazy.
SPEAKER_01Uh, shout out to Dr. Robert Taylor. Well, I'll take on my salam, what I'm talking about with the cats. He said he's supporting the channel. Y'all carrying it. Send me a shout out to West Philly, man. Yeah, but yeah, so it's just a matter of um, you know, how we gonna uh but it's just crazy to me, though. I ain't gonna say this like I'm I'm gonna say this like whereas though the pre the pressure now is on the parents now, people really want people want to step up and step up and really go the extra mile of being a parent now.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because of because some pressure got put on.
SPEAKER_01We be quick to give up sometime. Like, well man, I ain't listening, man. Let them go ahead. We're going to eat. We don't we ain't listening. Man, I mean, I'm sorry, when we ain't listening, we people like quick to be like, go ahead. He'll figure it out. But you gotta you gotta look at it too on people people's uh behalf as well, because you're trying to work your job and take your other kids, and you got one kid or two kids out here that's want to run the street and go crazy. Like, how much time do you got to pay attention to what's going on? That's why they gotta have some type of situation where though it provides an outlet or or or it doesn't help hold every parent accountable for every kid's action. Because some kids out here unruly, no matter what you do. You can put them in the best schools, you have them in the best situations, you have them have them put instill so much into them, and they still want to be unruly.
SPEAKER_00Yes, they do. They still want to be unruly. Like, and like I said, you could be a structural, ah man, it's it's just it's just that, man. That's why I ain't having no more kids. I'm just go ahead and knock it in the buck now. I'm 45, finally had my first kid at 40 years old, 41. You know, my son is five. I got my work cut out for me, man, but I'm leaving it alone. I'm past them years of keep wanting to have kids and raise like I ain't, yeah. I mean, so that's how I solve my problem. I don't know how everybody else is gonna do it because you can raise a kid perfectly right, not impoverished land, away out the community. They be the psychopath killers too. And the kid would just go left. Then it's like now it's like, what you do? What the what what did you do wrong? You sitting there beating yourself up, you put them in the school, you did this, you took care of all their needs. What went wrong?
SPEAKER_01That's what I'm saying. Like a lot of times you just can't. You can't you can't really pinpoint just one thing. But like I said, sometimes kids go left to come all the way back right. It just it just may be at a later date, a later time. And then even when you like, that's why you said you had one kid. With me, I just believe in no I'm having as many as I'm able to. Because you might get, you never know what you're gonna get. You might get one, two, three, that might be psychopaths, then you got two more over here that's that's doing okay. You gotta try to just take the take the good with the bad. Because you because imagine you got one, you gotta try to, you know what I mean? If that one don't don't pan out, well, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, this one this one's gonna have to pan out. But when he 10, I'll be 51 years old. When he's 20, I probably won't be here no more. Like, I ain't got time to be, I don't, and I'm not saying I love the kids, man, but me, I'm I'm done on that one. Still young. 60 years young.
SPEAKER_01You still you still you still young, man. I know.
SPEAKER_00I know.
SPEAKER_01You take, I'm saying we take care of yourself. Yeah. Take care of yourself and eat right and work out. You know what I mean? You be cool. Like, it's think about it. No, nowadays, man, you know, people focus a lot on on health. I don't know if it's more than it used to be, but you see people working out, people in the gyms is packed. You know what I'm saying? People eating right. You know what I'm saying? People were trying to, I mean, a lot of times people trying to just that's all you see on social media, people trying to do the right thing, you know, as far as their body goes. So, I mean, you can live, you know, you know, if the law decree it, but you know, if you take care of yourself, you put you have an opportunity to be around. But um now, let me ask you this what kind of what kind of conversation are you having to having with your kid if they send you to prison, though?
SPEAKER_00I'm not having no conversation with him. I'm not having none. I'm done. Especially if I was talking to him already and telling him about all these things going on and this and that, and he still went out and did that. It's over. You don't care about me at all. You don't care about me. You don't have nothing to say to me. I'm done. You always done. Yeah. For a six butt, you've done. Yes. You sent me to jail. I might be in the height of my life. Yes. You never know what I'll be doing in that six months. I might got businesses to run, I might got things to do, and I'm telling you, and you still go, yeah, yeah, I'm done. I'm turning my back on you. I'm out of here. You don't care about yourself, nor do you care about me, man. I don't care if you're my sibling, my brother, and all that. Like, you keep doing shit and doing shit and doing shit and all you're gonna bring to bring you there. I'm asking the question, though. They tell you they're gonna give you six months, or you just tell your son that he did that crime. I'm not telling my son that he did no crime. I'm still a convict at the end of the day, Bob. Not I'm not a convict at the end of the day, but I still have convict ways. So say they have something where y'all gotta get up there and talk.
SPEAKER_01You gotta talk to your kid, and then the judge is gonna determine whether he's gonna send you to jail or not. Are you going up there and giving him a verbal lash and then?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because I'm giving him a verbal beatdown. I'm talking about he's gonna, you're gonna see him like this. You know how when somebody gives you a body shot, you're like, mm-hmm, you're gonna think I was giving him body shots from the the vulgar and and and and loud and obnoxious demonstration that I'm giving him verbally. Yeah. You're gonna think that he was actually getting punched on him.
SPEAKER_01All right, so also let's say you go to jail and he's not even going to jail after that. If they told you he's going to go, all right, listen, you're going to jail and you know you got a few minutes with your son alone in the room, you put you putting hands on him?
SPEAKER_00Yes. Yes, because I'm gonna get more time. I'm gonna get more time. Once they open, I'm crushing him. I'm crunch, we ain't no rap. He probably, he's gonna know what it is. He ain't gonna wanna come in there. He ain't gonna want to come in there.
SPEAKER_01Hmm. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. I think that, you know, with kids, I think kids, man, sometimes, you know, kids, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta um, whenever a kid crosses a certain line, you gotta teach him tough love. Because otherwise, he's not gonna learn. And he may go out here in the world, he or she may go out there in the world and then may think that they can get away with the same thing they got over on you with. Because sometimes the first test is a kid trying to get over on their parents. If a kid gets over on their parents, now they're gonna try to get over on somebody out here in the world.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because that's who they're around all day long. So the first one they try to get over on is their parents. Yeah, so you gotta you gotta you gotta shock them.
SPEAKER_01That's the first line of authority. You gotta shock them. And then the best thing to do is get them by surprise when they don't even see it coming. You know what I'm saying? Because my dad used to do that, man. He's a wait. He's like, Yo, I got something for you. And he'll make me wait. So I'm all day, I'm like this, like, damn. He'll come home from work, go to sleep, lay down, next morning, get off of school. I think he'll get me in the morning. I'm gonna take a long in the bathroom, think he'll get me, walk past me. Then it might be that later on that I told him and get you, and he get me. So it was like, damn. So he used it as a like a fair, uh a fear tactic that just had me like, damn, every day. I'm on P's and Q's worrying about him getting me.
SPEAKER_00About that last episode. So you ain't even messing up again for another episode.
SPEAKER_01You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, damn, I'm I'm just worried about him just he let me he let me go for a day or two. You know what I mean? You know how you ever had that? I think I don't know if y'all experiences y'all had your parents talking to you and you get this and you and you and you want to cry, but you can't, but you but your throat be hurting in the back, back of your throat. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Y'all, y'all, y'all have experience, you had that talk before? That's your something serious, yo. That that that the back of your throat, you sitting there trying to look at them and they and they they he's yelling at talking to you crazy, and you trying not to flinch, he like and he yo man. Y'all experienced that out there? The back of your throat be killing you trying to hold that cry in. Yeah, that's your yeah, that's a that's something serious. So look, so what if you what if you um if you go in there, your son 20, 20, 22 years old, and then you try to put hands on him and he get out on you.
SPEAKER_00And he get out on me.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like put hands on and get out on you.
SPEAKER_00That's what they created firearms for. What? You can put a firearm on him. Yes, it's my son. But just like I bought him here, I'll take him right up off of here, and I do not promote that, and I do not uh uh advise y'all to do that to yours. But mine's if I'm not beating him out of straight, just I'm drunk and belligerent and I'm just trying to be a bully, I'm trying to discipline him about something, and I go to correct him and grab him, and he knocked me out. Yeah, he better be gone when I wake up. He better be out that front door and all the way going. I told you stop playing. Yeah, bro. I'm not alright, because now I'm gonna mind. Damn, I can't beat this nigga no more. All right, I know with Ken. And best believe they still around. Hey, yo, turkey bands.
SPEAKER_01What I said now was not on duty. What did I say? Oh, you're talking about the back of your throat on that's duty. Yeah, you're right. You're right, bro. But I'm talking about you crying, you know, you're getting a change, like, nah, man. But but yeah, like you know, he get out on he hit you with a couple, and they're like I told you, stop playing with me. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_05Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01And he walk off with that with that with that jay without getting no type of punishment. And I'm sitting like, yo, I told, and I gotta try to handle him. I'm like, yo, I don't do that. I gotta try, you know, I mean, now me and him rumbling, because I'm right there watching what's going on. I'm like, I'm trying to wake you up. Yes.
SPEAKER_00I got him for you, but I'm putting that fire on his ass. He was talking crazy. I think he was talking crazy. Putting that fire on his ass, man. Nah, you ain't gonna be knocking me out. And I'm around. I'm uh I'm around. You know what I'm saying? When I say around, meaning like I'm present in his life, I'm taking care of him, I'm giving him structure, and he knocked me out. Come on, man. I'm gonna take that more personal than a nigga on the street knocking me out. Like you, my son.
SPEAKER_01But my man, his son, his son, his son went for uh went for the burner on him. Like, went for like yo, stop playing me. Like, yo. Yeah, man. Like, damn. He said we was hurt. I remember talking to him at the mass chief, man. Talking out, talking to him, that mass chief.
SPEAKER_00Like, he probably scared his son right now.
SPEAKER_01I'm telling you, man. I don't know. We don't know, but no, he no, he know, he no, he a man. Okay. He a man. He a man. So like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't get that from you know what I mean. And I mentioned the story before, he made sense to me when he saw me, but he like it's okay because you know, he knows the matter of fact, his son locked up now. His son booked now. You know what I mean? So it's like he did, he did a bunch of time. Came home when the son was maybe I think 17, 18. And uh his son was disrespecting. I think I told the story before, his son was disrespecting his mom. His son, the son was disrespecting his own mother. So the mother called him, like, you know, he disrespeed to be dispectful. You know what I mean? So that so he goes to check him for being disrespectful to his own mom, and they get into like a little scuffle when his son goes for the go for the, you know what I mean? Like reach for the burner when like he said he saw he had it on, and he's like, he said he wrestled with him a little more. But for me, I probably I ain't gonna lie, man. I it probably would me and my son probably would it probably would have gone all the way there. Once you like you can go for you, grab burner on me, it's gonna happen right then and there. It's right then and there is gonna happen, yeah. Whatever's gonna happen will happen right then. I'm not just gonna, I don't know, I don't know. I probably can't walk away from that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's the yeah. You knocking me out is the same thing. That's the same thing in my book, bro. He said it grabs my yo, what you doing? Like grab my what are you doing? Yeah, but you knocking me out is the same thing, man. Whoa, yeah, that's my son.
SPEAKER_01Yo, you you yo, you won't. That probably changed their relationship, man. Richard probably changed, but but he ain't no pro you think it probably. But he said his son in his son in jail now. He in jail, he in jail. He sent him to jail? No, he in jail. He's in jail. I think he's in jail for attempt, I think. Attempted murder, I believe.
SPEAKER_00And guess what we call him?
SPEAKER_01And he said, it's what he said. He said, I look out for him in prison and I got him, you know. You know what I mean? So it's just unfortunate. Dang Jane of Flame said I he said I pulled a burn on my pop before you. For real, James? Yo, you out you crazy, man. You out of pocket. He said it was seven or eight. Oh man, my pop would have uh destroyed me. Now I'm duty. But yeah, y'all, we wanna um get to these phone calls, man, real quick if we can, man.
SPEAKER_00Didn't Marvin Gay kill his son like that? Playing around? I don't know. I don't know. Son in there acting sassy and all that, he knocked his ass down. Yeah, that's what he did. Hitting with a firearm? Yeah, Marvin Gay. Yeah. Huh?
SPEAKER_01I uh like once you once your kid go that far and get start going into the fire, like firearm, even it's a talk about it. Like, I'm like, I'm gonna get like that's the that that stuff just like yo, man.
SPEAKER_00But my thing is once your kid do anything, man, of any type of violence to you, man, or aggression, man. It's it's for me. I might, yeah, I mean, like, like it's it's it because I got the utmost respect. Like, I got so much respect for you, I would never strike you. You know what I'm saying? Even though I know you can't beat me. I would never strike you. We can always know. You know what I mean? But I I love you so much that I ain't gonna know all jokes aside, I'm never gonna ever. No, no, no, no, no. I ain't talking about the other part, was you jokes. I'm talking about I would never strike you. So for, and and and we a brotherhood of friendship. And so for some family members to do that to me, especially something that comes from my own loins, it's a different type of ball game, man. And then I'll just be just so messed up all we, you know, I'm a little, you know, rough around the edges, man. So I might not have been there all the time like I should have, and I might gotta sit back and listen and really uh look into why would he even do this or she do this. So I gotta take a look at myself. Yeah. But when you come up with no findings of to help them, you know, solidify the case of why they did that, like, yeah, I'm done, man. I'm done, man.
SPEAKER_01You gotta, you gotta, you gotta give them tough love after that. You got to. You gotta show you if your kid do that, anybody out there, my advice, any parents out there that they that that kids do that, you have to now remove all benefits that you provide for that kid, because now the kid has to learn. Now, that doesn't mean you don't answer the phone form when they they going through some something, they want to talk to you. But as far as them benefiting from anything that you have accumulated in life or anything that you have, like a place to live, I'm talking about everything. You gotta go figure it out now. Gotta go figure that, figure that, figure that whole situation out. You know, and it's and it's always good, man. It's always good to to to you know show your child, you know, like, you know, the benefits of having parents because sometimes a kid can forget, you know.
SPEAKER_00They call in y'all 215-316-4492. 215-316-4492. Chime in on the comments, man. Maybe, you know, to y'all, I might be wrong or or Feek might be wrong. You mean tell us what you think, man? Tell us what you think. We don't know it all. We just we give our opinions, man, and we we done been through a lot of life, you know, as far as in, you know, the wrong side.
SPEAKER_01Well, I said Marvin Gay was protecting his uh his mom and his pop killed him.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Dang.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, crazy. I can't even see that stuff over there.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah, man. I ain't never um if I I I just couldn't imagine seven, eight going for a gun on my dad. My dad just seemed like he was just so strong back then. He's been doing all the pull-ups and push-ups and all that stuff back in the day. Lifting weights. I he just seemed like he was like, I guess I probably if I would have shot him, it'd the bullet probably would have bounced off of him. That's how he just, that's just how he, that's how his physique looked to me when I was so when I was young. I just thought my pop was just like superman. That's another thing, too. What happened to the people who feel like they dad's a superman? Where's that at? It's coming from the dads. It comes from the dads not being relevant. But even sometimes, you know, people can parents is downplayed, like you should look at your dad as like he was like like he's like a superhero. Yeah, but but but now it's gone. Tell us from the jails we speaking with. Oh man, it's Turkey Bangs. I ain't gonna hold it. What's up, Turkey Bans?
SPEAKER_03But um What's up, bro? I'm gonna tell them on this phone. I'm 35 years old, right, bro. And me and my partner had a relationship growing up where he was just so hard on me. Football, basketball, grip just trying to be fair. No, we all bring you that out look on the whole thing.
SPEAKER_01You see the what?
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_01How did how did it end for you? How did it end for you?
SPEAKER_03I'm gonna be honest with you.
SPEAKER_01Do you feel like do you feel like like remorse? Like, dang, I shouldn't have done that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I feel I feel I feel remorseful to this day, but my whole thing is that's just the type of relationship we have. And it's like, you know, it ain't good for nobody to go up that way, but when you're in situations like that, what else can you do? You and your son probably ain't never get into uh pushing back and forth qualification at all. You ever put your hands on him in the wrong way and he like damn? That ain't never happened before. You don't never know what he thinks or does a gun knife or whatever, but that's a tricky situation, bro. I just wanted to chime in on that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, appreciate you, man.
SPEAKER_03I saw what it is.
SPEAKER_01You too. Shout out to uh Jalil 2414, man. He said he graduated from Penn State today. Shout out to you, man. Congrats, man. Congrats. He said, I graduated today from Penn State over the state pin. Much respect to you, man. Keep pushing, man. Keep doing what you gotta do, man. Keep, you know, uh, keep keep pushing, man. Just keep you know elevating yourself, you know, keep staying positive and keep, you know. Gathering those you know accolades as far as uh degrees and and money or whatever you you able to go out here and get, man. Much respect to you, man. Congrats. Penn State too at that, the nitty lines. You you was a Penn State boy.
SPEAKER_00I'm still a Penn State boy right now.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you should be yeah. I should be uh Penn State. I was like Penn State when they had uh what's the boy Kajana Carter and all of them. Uh Shafi Fields with the wide receiver. Shout out to Shafi from up Uptown. Cedar, I don't know if he's watching this, but uh from Cedar Park. Um yeah, man.
SPEAKER_00I uh I'm gonna say something to uh who Doctor is that am I saying it right? Yeah, I really can't see. It's just that he ain't oh Doctor Robert Taylor.
SPEAKER_01Black is respect.
SPEAKER_00Uh yeah, what'd he say?
SPEAKER_01Look at your phone. He said black is is uh reflective and aware of his own personal behavior, traits, and characteristics, which exhibits his sincerity and speaks volumes. That was crazy how black broke that down.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, shout out to you, man. Thank you, man, for recognizing, man. I only know how to do stuff emotionally and maybe sometimes to a fault. That's that that could be my demise, but I don't know, I don't know how to address things everly, man. You know, I don't have a soft demeanor or deproach like my my brother do up here. Like he know how to, he he's real good at masking stuff. Me, you gonna know. If I'm mad at you, you're gonna know. It ain't no way in the world you ain't you gonna you're not gonna know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah, you just won't you won't see me, like, I don't I don't wear my emotions on my sleeve all the time. Like you might, you know, certain situations might happen. Like if you if you if you test me to the point where I gotta display a type of emotion, but I don't I'm not a real argument of person. I don't argue and all that. He'll argue with you down, cuss you out, say the most gruesomest things to people and all that. And then like I can't do that. Tell us from the jails, who you speaking with?
SPEAKER_02Fuck y'all, nigga.
SPEAKER_00Thank you, man. You have a good day, man. Stay up out there, man.
SPEAKER_01Shout out to you, man. Be safe, man.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean, be safe, man. We up out here. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01You know what I mean? Be safe, bro. Stay, stay, listen, make sure that you, you know, you you you've been honorable and respectful to your parents, man. You know? And I listen, uh, we ain't mad at you, bro. Whoever that was. We ain't mad at you, man. You know, we we family, man. You know, I want you to, you know, elevate yourself and elevate what you have going on in your life, man. And hopefully you can change some things so that you ain't you're not calling doing certain things like that ever against anybody else. Well, you know, we we we got love for you, man. Shout out to you. Salute. You know, but you know, my thing is a lot of times when we come in and into in in your life, even if it's it don't have to be your kid. When you when you try to do things positive, trying to succeed in life, everybody don't want you to win. So people were just waiting for that one conversation to have so they can say a bunch of stuff to you that they that they've been wanting to say. And which ultimately can can throw you off your square and make and make you react in a manner that can have you in prison for the rest of your life. You know what I'm saying? You see like a lot of celebrities that we're as though people was like like um coming. I saw something one day other day, I saw it was Remy, Remy Ma. She was in like a market or something. She said she was with her daughter. And these girls like pressed up, pressed her like like they wanted to fight her, but she was her daughter. She like, man, I can't, you know, I'm not I'm not like a a punk or a sucker, but I just can't react in a certain manner. Tell us from the jails we're speaking with.
SPEAKER_02My name Moore, bro, for West Fully.
SPEAKER_01What's up, bro?
SPEAKER_02I just got a question for black. That's how they asked the question. I've been hearing you say all the time, like, yeah, we need you a man, uh you know shit like that. But like, I lost my I lost my folks real young and shit, and all the shit that you be saying that you learned from jail, I learned the same shit on the street. So basically I'm just asking, do you think if you was on the street, you would be the same man you were?
SPEAKER_00Because I think you would, bro. Um, absolutely not. Absolutely not. And I can't take away with what you learned through your folks, man. But absolutely not, because when I was on the streets, I didn't have a mom and dad. I've been through foster care. I left foster care around eight, nine years old, and I was left to my own devices at eight, nine years old. And luckily for me, that I met a band of good men. I don't call them men, or good men, I call them brothers of mine. So they helped take on the load of an English foster child. So I got my school of training and my school of thought through the streets in the penal system. And I don't think I could have had got a better, not to say that I wouldn't have got a uh better training, but I don't think I would could have got a better training than what the streets and jail had to offer me.
SPEAKER_02No, absolutely. I agree with you. Uh I just be here and you be like, Yeah, I learned how to wash my hair. Yeah, all that. I had to go.
SPEAKER_00That's what I had to do. That was that was jail was my mom and my dad. Jail was my mom and my dad. Jail reprimanded me when I was wrong. Yep, and it's sad for me to say that. I don't sit up here and say that with no proud and my chest poked out. Please go the other way by all means, because it was uh not fun to adore. I'm still having side effects and still wake up at night with cold chills from that. So I don't want nobody to have to go through that course of life the training just to get here because you don't have to.
SPEAKER_02No, I feel you, bro. I'm gonna let y'all go. I just wanted to say, bro, we're gonna have to agree to disagree, bro, because I think you would have been the same real nigga if you wouldn't have never got locked up, you would have just learned the shit different. It's just different circumstances and a different shit.
SPEAKER_01But I don't know how to wash up before you went to jail.
SPEAKER_00No, I didn't for that 20 plus years. Oh, yeah, before that, but juvenile took me there. Oh, juvenile.
SPEAKER_02A woman taught me how to wash up, bro. I know exactly what he's saying. How to wash up, good, wash your wash, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_00Why probably yeah, before I start going to jail, I was dirty as shit. Hey, they call me dirty you snake, you know, hoagie man, whatever. I'm 14, 13 years old. I don't know. I'm thinking we just supposed to be out here getting at it. I ain't know the etiquette about sitting my ass in the tub and shower up and washing my face. I'm getting up straight from asleep, coming straight outside. I ain't seen a handful of water, nothing that day. So, you know, I mean Joe taught me, man. All right, bro, man. Joe and I'll take it easy. All right, man. You too, man. Be safe and stay free. Who called you Hoagie, man? Uh uh Denise and all of them from down north. That she was she was Spanish, but she took me and she let me wash my underworms in her crib and all that, and be like, yeah, don't listen to them. They teasing. That's when I started getting that gun. Like, yeah, they want to tease, see if they tease this. Now I don't advise you to do that. That was me. I was crazy as shit out of my mind. I was out of goddamn pocket. I don't, I'm just telling you stories to get you caught up to be like, okay, now I see to put the puzzles in place. That's it. Please do not go.
SPEAKER_01Art was the same way. I couldn't get all to fight. Like, I just had to fight from all the time when we was young.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and then that'd be the ones that be crazy. Fire fire.
SPEAKER_01Crazy. No hoagie, man. Tell us from the jails. Who you speaking with?
SPEAKER_04A speak, this child from Canda.
SPEAKER_01Shout to Canada. What's up, bro?
SPEAKER_04Not much, man. I got a quick question. What do you think more important? A present father that's lacking on the financial end, or a father that's missing present, but he uh making it happen financially.
SPEAKER_01A present father that's lacking on the financial end, man.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you should have asked, you should have asked me, black. I'd have told you that yeah.
SPEAKER_01Present father, man. Like a present father, man, whether he's financially stable or not, his presence alone is gonna help you get to because he can do things for you. Like he can be around you, he can teach you stuff.
SPEAKER_00He can hug you.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, all right.
SPEAKER_00Tell you it's gonna be all right. Yeah. The heat ain't on, they can give you an extra blanket and sweatshirt. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04We're gonna struggle together. It's a lot of people my age, you know. You you got people working jobs, you got a couple people that might, you know, sell drugs, a couple people that might scan whatever they might be doing. But a lot of people a lot of people on age think that fine, if they're doing it financially, then they make your ends meet with what they got to do as a father. And I just completely disagree with that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, man, I respect your opinion. I just I just I mean, I I think that you know, a present father, you know, beats anything. Now on duty beats uh all help help you overcome so much, man. Because if you're as long as he's not present and just and just sleeping on the couch, getting drunk all day, getting high, that's how present, like nah. But if he's like struggling, trying to pay bills, he's working the job and trying to make things happen, but he just can't do it. You know what I mean? He's trying to make it happen. That's that's he's a president in your life, that's cool. But he can't just be present by sleeping on the couch all day, getting drunk and high, not working, not doing nothing. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04Nah, yeah, sir, I feel you on that one.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Hey, yo, last thing, last thing too, yo. Ayo, T, keep killing them, man. I see you getting crunchy on the show, man. It's different shoes every episode.
SPEAKER_01Oh, man. I mean, you know, no, man. I you know, I just, you know, we just I don't know, man. I just I just get up and just get dressed, man. That's it, man. Nothing special to it.
SPEAKER_04Y'all fellas take it easy, man.
SPEAKER_01You too, man. Yeah, so um, so what I was gonna say. Yo, hey James, what are you talking about? We said you said we ignoring you. What are you talking about, bro? Call call a line and talk to us. What are you talking about, man? I don't I don't know. I just you said we keep on ignoring you. What are you talking about, man? Let us know what's going on, bro. Yeah, so you know, all right, they called you hoagie, man, right? What kind of they like so they smile, you washed up with a hoagie.
SPEAKER_00Oh, they ain't say that my underworms was thinking. So you know your underworms smoke. Why you keep wanting to go today? I'm gonna ask you a question. I'm asking you. I don't even want to talk about that. I'm ready to go for real, for real. I got shit to do. Okay. That's what I'm ready to do. I'm ready to get up out of here. You want to talk about the hoagie, man. We already talked about that. I'm gonna ask you a question.
SPEAKER_01Why are you so mad? Why you so mad called you hoagie, man? That brought back some more back.
SPEAKER_00No, I wouldn't never say that if I was so mad. Who was that, man?
SPEAKER_01We gotta we gotta find them.
SPEAKER_00They still down the way? No, they're not around the way no more. What's that? They was down a six, yeah. Down the projects? Mm-hmm. What's the six? You know what the six is. Talking about they're in the project. Yes, I'm saying, but who was it again? Oh, I don't know. I forgot, man. Come on, moving on along, man. We ain't gonna sit here and talk about that, bro.
SPEAKER_01Yo, but you know, this is just a little hoogie, man. I'm sorry, man, about that, man. So you got that you went and grabbed them arms, and then it was a whole different thing then.
SPEAKER_00No, I had to wash my ass.
SPEAKER_01So, yeah, uh, listen, y'all would thank everybody uh for tuning in. We got a few more minutes, maybe like two more minutes, you know, and counting before we get up out of here, man. You know, uh he has he got things he he trying to do. You know, before we get up out of here, but we do want to thank everybody for tuning in. Don't forget to check out our other our other uh sports page, uh TBIC, the best of sports entertainment. Um you know it is how y'all feel about Wimby out there, all the all the the basketball players and everybody. How y'all feel about Wimby? All right, we ain't got no more calls, but all right, y'all, we're gonna get out of here, man. Well, thank everybody for tuning in to tell us from the gels. Don't forget to hit the like button. Don't forget to uh subscribe to the channel, don't forget to become a member if you're able to. Uh we thank y'all for tuning in.
SPEAKER_00It's tells me and make sure that y'all are mindful out there. Again, it's ready to be hot. It's coming up, it's gonna be real hot, man. Heat irritates people along with hunger if you're fasting them days and stuff like that. But be mindful, man, that the heat can make you act out of character because it just makes you grumpy and all that. We're coming into the the the the meat of the summer. Don't duty. We're coming into the hot part of the summer, man. You mean everybody keep a cool head. I'm telling you, but trust me, I've done been in them penitentiary yards when it gets hot. That's when the goofy things be happening. Dudes just be mad for no reason, same way on the street. You know, a dude might be walking around broke, mad at the world, heat making it even intensifying his situation. So, you know, be more mindful, man. Be mindful to the kids, to everybody around you, man, people you work with, man. And uh cool out, man, and enjoy the weather, man. And we're gonna get back at it tomorrow.
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm. All right, well, thank everybody for tuning in, man. This episode of Tells for Jail is sponsored by TNS Media Group. We thank all y'all for the support. It's Tells from the Jail.