COMPASSIONATE RELEASE : TALES FROM THE JAILS LIVE !!!!

The host speak about the benefit of compassionate release. Braheem Jackson also explains how he could fair in a boxing match vs Terrence Crawford. Co host Tawfiq Page warned Braheem against stepping in the ring with Bud Crawford explaining that such a risk could be life threating.

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SPEAKER_05 9:37

Man, you know, a little good news today, man, you know. Yeah, man, and Shaw all. Yeah, man. Good news don't mean it's gonna happen, but it's still good news.

SPEAKER_06 9:45

Well, Shaw, uh, do happen. You know, do happening. Shout out to everybody that's in here, man. Low yup, Corey Woods, KKT, wing gang 7, I mean 2763 sticks to uh to the script 955, Turkey Bands. What's up? You know, chance 215, Phil Mags. We just got a new member as well. Shout out to uh KVSHB. We got uh John Michael, as I said before. We got who else? Rick Stax, you know, uh everybody, DMAC 2373, uh the great 215. Everybody's here so far, man. You know, it's a it's a uh it's a it's a great, great day here. It's a nice outside. You know, summertime is approaching. You know, I mean, I thought it was here already. Well, I'll be out there sweating.

SPEAKER_05 10:32

It's approaching.

SPEAKER_06 10:32

Oh, it's approaching. I know, I know, but it hasn't really hit us as of as of yet. But the weather weather is actually really, really nice. Time to get ready for some trips. You know, travel around a little bit, go see see the world a little bit, go, you know, spend some time with the kids and you know, your significant others, if you're able to, man, go out, go out and have have a good time and and enjoy yourself, man. So I know we talked about this before, believe last year, but this time around in jail, right now, it's like the weather just broke people in the in the yard right now.

SPEAKER_05 11:06

I'm gonna tell you how I was I'm gonna tell you how I was. This time around, it was really, really depressing. Not only on, you know, just not just because it's you know summertime, but because that's one of the main reasons. But on the weekends in the summertime, the weekends, because the weekends in jail, it's like the jail is shut down. What I mean is mail don't come because you got something to look forward to every day of the week. Male being number one. Then all the administration is here. Everybody that you want might want to, you might have an issue with the medical department, you might have an issue with the mail room, you ain't been getting your mail, you might have an issue with the visiting room, you gotta see the heat of that. And Monday through Friday, these uh head of departments are at the jail for you to see. And then not only that, it's uh uh uh mail day. Mail come every day. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? At the camp, mail is something to look forward to. Okay, granted, you the weekends is visits. But if you always in California and you from Philadelphia, you could care less about a visit. Unless you was back on this East Coast that's Fort Dix or one of the jails that's closer to one of them jails that's inside or closer to the city. But on the weekends in the summer, bro, I used to be in that joint. Don't be in a hot jail where it ain't got it's an old jail that ain't got no AC. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And if you in an old jail, don't got no AC, you on top of you thinking about what you used to do in the summertimes or what you could be doing this summer that you're probably in jail for, you're sitting there like it's it's it's mind-boggling, bro. The stress just it crawls up on you. It crawls up on you. It's not just the heat that's affecting you, it's the it's everything. The heat is just amplifying it, making it loud to you. See, when it's cold and all that, you know, you still want to go home and you got that yearning for home cooked meals and to be cozy in the house with your significant other or kids or maybe mom or dad, whatever the case may be. But it's cold, so it's like it ain't nothing really to look forward to. You hurry up and get the you days, you don't even feel like going, I gotta go to work, I gotta go out there. And you know, my you know how it is, you go to work and stepping outside and don't have a car uh that you ain't got no auto start to, you can't start it, or don't have a car, period. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And you got to travel that that that road to that route to work through the through the weather, through the inclement weather. So in the in the winter time, you ain't really, you know, everybody, you know, everybody is in, you catch everybody on the phone in the winter time. Yeah, you know what I mean? Ain't nobody no doing when you would you just say the vacations is coming up, you know what I mean. You might take me some vacation. I used to be in there, I used to call you. Summertimes, you might tell me, and I know I know my you tell me I'm on vacation, I'm going on vacation, I'm calling me. Or you might be in another country or something like that. I know the time difference, and I'm like, damn man. You know what I mean? You ain't getting answers like that. People with that when you out there on that beach, and you with the missus, and you see that joint jail call, you might have talked to me earlier. You're gonna decline that one right now. I get with you later on. I'm gonna enjoy the scene, my folks. You know what I'm saying? So that's how it be, man. The summertime, man, it's a different type of bed in that summertime, man. It's a different type of grind. A super different, and I'm only talking about the experience of me being in the penal system the majority of my life. It's sad. It's amplified in the summertime.

SPEAKER_06 14:18

But right now, everybody outside running the track.

SPEAKER_05 14:20

Oh, yeah, everybody. The whole rec yard pull up bars right now. It's 6.05 in the federal system. Uh child party ended about an hour, a half hour ago. You know, they're waiting for the first rec move. You mean uh a six o'clock rec move? Everybody at the doors with their bags, with the net bags and their baseball gloves or whatever, you know, whatever they is, they work out uh stuff, they water bottles, dudes is going outside. Yeah, everybody is waiting at the gate. If you ain't already go, because they call a one-way move the child before. I mean, a one-way move to the recreational department, which is the yard, the gym, the weight room. If you got weights at that current institution, now uh they'll call a one-way move before they start running child. So everybody that go to that rec on that move, they can't go to child. You you blew your opportunity to go to child. That's the dude saying, Man, I don't want to go to childhood. I want to go straight. He might got a bunch of commissary or whatever the case may be. So you know what I'm saying? Everybody is on that rec yard right now, bro.

SPEAKER_06 15:14

Yeah, so right now, rec yard. Now, you know, people are modifying the excuse. That's a question I got because I see something where uh KK KT KK Twin Gang 2763 said, like y'all wear shorts. So I guess the the punks is wearing the daisy dukes and all that right now in the jail and all that. No, I'm saying they make them. The punks be having like daisy dukes on them?

SPEAKER_05 15:33

Yeah, they'll make them. They'll make them.

SPEAKER_06 15:34

So that's not that's not that's not a violation by modifying the uniform.

SPEAKER_05 15:38

No, they'll make them because you can get your sweats and turn them into that. You can get your own, you can buy your own stuff. So they got sweatpants and they turn into yeah, they turn them into daisy dukes or whatever they turn them into. They they they this is the the ethnic, this is what they're on. Oh wow, you know what I'm saying? I ain't gonna call them the LB LBG community. Like, that's what they on. That's what they own. They might, you know, whatever they own, they got, you know, they they're uh presenting itself as a woman. So they the shorts is high up, like yeah. Like, I mean boo, you got dudes with big old jigglies, you got dudes with small jiggle like you like damn all right. That's crazy. All right, that's not on duty, but I'm not I'm just saying you've seen them running around out there, like, damn, okay. He done made something that can fit his structure firmly. So you like, all right, cool, that's bad. I mean, if you into that, that's what they that's up there. If you if you're into that and you go to prison, you have that at an alarming rate up.

SPEAKER_06 16:23

So they're jogging by the track.

SPEAKER_05 16:24

You watching you watching them. You know, I'm not watching them. I might mean you might be kicking it on the yard, but we on the yard, I might look and be like this nigga, but yeah, we backed ourselves back to our conversation. He does sprints and daisy. I mean, or he might be on the basketball court with his homies. You mean I told you about the story about that one uh de blocking them. He backing his boyfriend down. You know what I mean? The boy that was having a night fight with my homie Shakur. He backing them down, yeah. He backing him down with my man Shakur. He just letting him back him down. He don't try to slight for the ball or nothing. He just like, yeah, you can't get me out the paint, whatever, whatever. And that goes on for about six or seven minutes, and you like, yeah, they on what they on. Yeah, but but in jail, you mind your business. You don't go over there and get in their business. I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying it's wrong, but they are doing it at an alarming rate. Wow. But the summertime, everything, everything is going on.

SPEAKER_06 17:07

So your sweatpants, they once you if you buy sweatpants, you can cut them how you want to cut them. Ain't no rules like they can't be below above the knee, they can't be above it.

SPEAKER_05 17:14

No, they'll say something. Certain guards will be like, yo, you alter alter your uh whatever you bought, either your uniform or you alter the clothes that you bought from the facility. They'll confiscate them from you. Like, because you got dudes that'll make tank tops and all that out of sweatshirts. Dude will take a whole sweatsuit and make that jaw something that you ain't never seen before. You know what I'm saying? I'm talking about uh go buy a 3x pants, 3x top, and then probably go buy two sweatsuits and make it into something like with a kick. I'm talking about make it into and make it so real good and make that into a whole set, other than what you bought it as. Wow. So yeah, you have that going on.

SPEAKER_06 17:50

Do they like they make like dresses in there?

SPEAKER_05 17:52

Yeah, but don't don't nobody be doing that. Like that's too flamboyant with the police is gonna run up. Yo, what you run around here in this skirt for? Then you got some flamboyant um LGBT community dudes that's in there and they do it, but they probably do it on the unit and have a little, and they'll stand in front of their cell and you know might be talking to one of the other, you know, friends or whatever the case may be. And you know, in case of police walking around, they'll go in the cell real quick because the police are confiscated that. Let me get that, man. You ain't supposed to, you because you ain't supposed to be doing it. Wow. But dudes do do it. But the one thing I wanted to say about because you said everybody is out in the rec yard, you got to remember this is one other thing that amplifies your stress. Nine times out of ten in the federal system as of now, and I can't speak for the state, but the state may be the same way, and anybody that's been incarcerated upstate probably can uh agree with me or disagree with me. But in the federal system, nine times out of ten, every institution is recalling before 8:30 at night. Recall means everybody report back to the housing unit. When you hear recall, recall, recall, that means clear the yard and start making your way back to your housing unit. They start opening up the gate to the rec yard to let you through because you know everything is secure. You know, everybody grabbing their stuff. You got dudes that be down there working out all day. They they at the front of the line because now this thing be like a clusterfuck. It'd be hundreds of niggas trying to, and you know, you got to go through a door. So it just be until you don't want to be one of the last ones, you'll be out there whole extra. You want to get to the showers first.

SPEAKER_06 19:21

Because on every unit, it's probably about what eight eight to ten showers. So are they counting how many uh people they letting through the door or they or they stopping to cut it off at a certain time? No, no, they're just letting people come. So so until everybody who everybody is out.

SPEAKER_05 19:33

You got guards walking the track. Come on, come on, come on, come on, recall, recall, recall. You got guards at the gate, you know, guards stand around watching everybody go back to the units. Okay, you know what I'm saying? They don't do no count or nothing. I'm talking about the move. No, the move, no during the move, no, they ain't counting during the move. Oh, so as long as that door open, you can get through there. Yeah, you get through that, you go up, you got to go through there. Ain't no use now. It's recall, it's time to go back to your unit.

SPEAKER_06 19:54

No, I'm talking about for the six o'clock move, the move. Because no, you can say you can move from it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they not count, no. No, they're nothing. So, but I'm saying, so if say say if there's a the move as at 6 p.m., right? Yeah, the next move ain't tell what time? Seven o'clock. 6 30. So yeah, I said that. So if you missed that move, you gotta sit there hold up.

SPEAKER_05 20:12

Yeah, you can't go to our lolly gag and just talk. Yeah, sure. Like if you like, say you wanted to leave and you talking, and you you because it'd be like some do some yards got five minute moves, some yards got 10-minute moves. Like this is your six o'clock, six o'clock, 10-minute move, 10-minute move, that you'll see the guards start opening up certain sections of the yard that go back to the unit. You'll see dudes coming off the unit, you'll see dudes going back to the unit. But if you miss that unit and they that that that move, that 10-minute move, and they lock them gates, you can't go nowhere to the next hour. Then you have some times where it's though, say we out there, we've been out there from six to seven. We both were ready to come back. A lot of dudes is ready to come, but they're waiting for the 10-minute move, called at 10 o'clock. Somebody was up there fighting in another unit while we was at the rec yard. Yeah, they won't call a move. Because they got to go up there and secure that. So now you in the like, damn man, gotta be out here all the way to I know I shouldn't have came the wreck today, man. You'll be out the rec yard for three, four hours if something is going on on the institution that they got to get together, they just leave y'all there until they're done. So now you might be on the unit and want to go to the rec yard. You hit, you can't go nowhere until they call a move. Yeah. So you mean, but what I was saying about uh the 8:30, 8:30, nine times of ten, every institution federal-wise, recall is at between eight and eight thirty. Nothing at the nine o'clock. So you're not being outside at the nine o'clock. Nine o'clock at night is at the 8:30 at night, it's rarely unless you had a camp.

SPEAKER_06 21:36

I think you said, I think you said one time you said it was like night yard. Yard yard at night is something they had like it was like a special or something. Let y'all go out at night one time.

SPEAKER_05 21:43

No, I'm probably something else I was talking about. I wasn't talking about no night yard. Not no night yard. No, they don't got no night yard. You everybody go in when it's time when it's recall, it's recall. You can't see nothing because it they probably can't see nobody, especially you. Well, probably so because I'm so dark and it gets black and but you know they got them big old lights, it ain't like it's dark out. There though. They got it well lit in case you might want to run. They want to see who's running. They got football uh stadium like that. I'm talking about lights the head look like it never got dark. You still think it's 12 o'clock in the afternoon. Ain't no sun. We don't need no sun around here. You ain't running it without them not seeing.

SPEAKER_06 22:14

No, they're gonna see. Yo, when I was up there coming to see you a few times, I seen like it's a it's a truck that is go around the whole jail non-stop. Is that like all that is that all day or is that just doing visiting hours? What do you mean? Like a like a truck that is riding around the whole time.

SPEAKER_05 22:30

That's 24 hours a day. That's a shift. The guard you hear the guard talking about, man, I got the I got uh security, man. I got that this quarter, man. Guards be mad. You just sitting in the truck all day. Every 10 minutes, you'll see it like if you out in the rec yard, you'll see the truck. They got two trucks, the perimeter, they call perimeter checkers. One that's going this way and one that's going that way. You might see both of them parking near the rec yard. They be kicking it with each other for a minute, then do their rams. But it's it's just like, I mean, you you I can't work a job like that because I need a job that's gonna keep me busy. Yeah, that's gonna keep me moving because I'm gonna be in that joint like this, nodding. I'm gonna be in there, nodding got fired. Somebody escaped on me.

unknown 23:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 23:09

And yo, make sure y'all hit that like button, please. Hit that like button, man. We we we gotta we gotta get the get the show up there. So thank y'all for um those who are hitting the like button. Make sure you hit that hit that like button, please. Um, but yeah, like these jobs, like uh like like a guard here, tell an inmate. Like, listen, man, I got this dag on, I got these dags on uh security, this this quarter. So the quarter is the what is it for um what a quarter is three months. Three months of the year? Yeah. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_05 23:34

Every quarter, that's in the federal system. Every quarter, a guard is only allowed to work a unit for three months. Then you got some guards that got longevity, they'll put the bid back in for that unit and get it. But they still got, they don't, they still got a bid on it. Like the guards that got all the long time in, you see them work a block six, nine months. Eventually they're gonna have to leave one quarter though. Who was your favorite guard out of all the prisons you've been to in the book? Oh man, old head Cooksie, man. He retired at Fort Dix, man. Old head cooksie. Shout out to Cooksie. Anybody ever been to Fort Dix and no old black man Cooksie retired, man. Cooksie wasn't bringing in no pack or none of that, but he treated the men with respect, with dignity, man. He he been there, he's seen it long enough, been working there about 50 years. So he it ain't nothing you can get over. Like Cooksie, the type, he'll come, he don't wear keys. Cooksie leave his keys and like because I was at Fort Dicks alone. So he'll leave his keys in the office. So you'll never hear him walking. And then he was so thorough that the dudes that we had on lookouts, like we used to, like I told you when we was in Fort Dix and we was getting cell phones in and stuff like that. Everybody that had a cell phone will come up with, they'll come together in a group. It might be, it might be 400 niggas, 300 niggas on a unit at Fort Dix. Out of the 300 niggas, 200 niggas got a cell phone. All of us meet up. 300 niggas got a cell phone. We'll meet up and put together the money in the jail is macros. Macros or cigarettes. At the time, cigarettes stopped being sold, so you'll give up $5 every week. So you imagine do the math on that. I'm just saying it say about 100 niggas had a phone. So 100 niggas get putting up five macros every week. So 100 times five is what?

SPEAKER_06 25:08

100 times five is 500.

SPEAKER_05 25:10

Yeah, so you doing that with you got you got 100 niggas that's putting up five macros. So now you break, you get about four dudes that want to work. And when it work mean you stand by the window in a unit, like every unit got windows to look out, like the front of the units, the back of the units at Fort Dicks. And me and you might be down on our look in there, like we ain't got nobody sending us money, and then we'll get a crew together. You, like me, I might be like, all right, listen, they'll pay me $40 a week. Each Mac will counts as a dollar. So they'll sit me by a window. And my job is to sit in this window for how many hours I gotta work it and watch out for the police. I might be back there on the phone myself. I might be back there smoking cigarettes or back there playing cards because I'm got a window. My job is to see if a lieutenant is coming, if it because you know, guards will be getting on the go-karts up there, like five guards and come raid units, come running on units real fast with the phone detectors and all that. I see them coming. Five Agua Una running up the path. Agua una agua una running up the path. That's my job. But it's like five of us working. I'm at the front window, he at the back window, and you might be in the phone room to sell. All you hear is five Montreal Agua Una coming through the back door. I know it's a lot of police. And then you cheek, and you cheeking everything. Or I cheek it, flow it, whatever. You got dudes that get scared, drop it right on the floor. He's a goofball. I'm me, I'm putting it in my shoe and I'm walking lightly. Or I'm boofing, boom. Not boofing, but cheeking him. If it's a small enough joint, I'm bopping him. So everybody running your bunker to hand you everything. No, no, no, no. Everybody don't do that. No, everybody. I'm only cheeking my device. Or if I had your device, I ain't losing it. I'm gonna cheat it. Yeah, I don't want to do that. So it might be one of them days I've been there in the gym working out real hard. I might came back and got your joint real fast if I got in the shower. And then they talking about something, they coming up the back steps, y'all. I don't want to lose this phone. This phone is my world in jail. I'm duffing it. Doom. But you mean sweaty and everything. You mean cheek or you just go? I'm cheeking it. I'm cheeking it. I can't cheat it. I can cheek this. I'm cheeking. All I'm doing is laying it between my cheeks and they're coming in. They're coming in with something. You could beat the wine with them and all that, but sometimes if they get real dark, the wine is gonna go off. But they just want to pat you down because they want to know, they know other people up here trying. They don't want to miss their lick. So they're moving right on. I done got their ass real fast. So they don't say take your shoes off. Sometimes, a lot of times they do, but sometimes you're gonna get them.

SPEAKER_06 27:21

Yeah, I see you got your shins out today, man.

SPEAKER_05 27:23

Yeah, yeah, man. They little ashy too. Yeah, I was happy.

SPEAKER_06 27:25

There's some lotion, there's some lotion over there.

SPEAKER_05 27:27

Um yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The part and self, yeah, part and self. Yeah, yeah, all you want to do is play off.

SPEAKER_06 27:33

Whatever that is. So wow. So, so these raids come up. But back to the guard you're talking about. He said he was, he was, he was a good, it was a good one.

SPEAKER_05 27:39

Oh, Cooksie, Cooksie, old head cooksie, man. Like Cooksie used to walk around the units, right? And nobody would say agua una or agua dos. Yeah, I mean, agua dos means uh uh uh uh uh uh they coming up the back steps, agua una means the front steps. And then you know, you know, the guards know the call. They'll hear aguauna guards know niggas is in there, then niggas to get out the get out the way. Like a motherfucker might be working the steps. Agua una coming up the steps, then he'll run. Cause they're they'll try to lock you up for that. Yeah, like a nigga being a lookout man, they know what you're doing, giving everybody heads up while you're walking around, they'll give you and give you a write-up for that. You know what I'm saying? You ain't supposed to be doing that. They like you running the operation in jail. But Cooksie, he used to walk around and nobody because he was cool. So we might be on the phone, me, you, little tall feet. We all might got jacks and we chillin'. He might be rolling up some weed or something. See a bus say, boom, what y'all got? Niggas be like, oh, give me the phone. Oh, y'all give me honey buns, and I need a cold Pepsi. Don't get caught in them phones, man. They want y'all with these phones. Cooksie was to the point, and I'm not saying he he wasn't doing his job. Well, he wasn't doing his job. If we being honest, he was letting the men live, but he wasn't gonna give us no key to escape, but he still wasn't doing his job. If you want to upstand his. He wasn't, he wasn't like putting his foot on your neck. Exactly. Exactly. I'm not saying that what he was doing is right. You know what I'm saying? Because you got dudes in there that's using phones and getting people hurt out in the real world. They need to be in jail. You know what I'm saying? So, with that, I'm just saying he treated the men like men, man. Cooksie had walked past the bathroom, he'd be like, if one of y'all fall out, man, y'all know the prices of smoking that cake too, man. Tighten up and keep on going. He's eating a bag of chips, he done took out somebody's self. Walking down the hallway. Ain't nobody tripping off Cooksie, though. Cooksie, get your ass out of here. Your mother. You know what I mean? And yeah, I mean, boom, we we did our little eights like that on Cooksie. Cooksie was one of the best guards, man. I ever read it. He retired while you was there? No, he retired when I left. I got kicked out of that jail. He was still there. But when I was, you know what I mean? Then before they was, you know, you run into guys as he was at jail, at certain jails we was with. Yeah. Guys be like, yeah, Cooksie retire, my, yeah, but you I knew that before he was leaving. He's like, yeah, it's almost time for me to have that party. I'm out of here.

SPEAKER_06 29:41

You know what I'm saying? So, you know. Real live over here. Shout out to Cooksie. Now, when you when you what was the worst guard you ever experienced in there?

SPEAKER_05 29:49

Oh my God. Chester, Chester, the child molester. This motherfucker right here, old Caucasian man. Another one, he's probably retired now. Another one that's been working there 27, 28 years. And he's so burnt out that you would think the guards that got all this time in this, like, all right. Usually a guard that got all that time in, they on the other side of the fence. And when I say the other side of the fence, I'm meaning that they ain't, they ain't really going out they what they doing, they eating and they skating, man. If you ain't get killing nobody in front of them and making forcing them to do their job, these people with this time in, they cool, bro. They sitting back doing them. But other than that, you know, this dude Chester, man, Chester was crazy as hell. Chester come on the block. He just, he was just a, it was like he was like, he just was like, he hated inmates. He hated the people that they call criminals. Like, he looked at that like y'all should be in here forever. They only gave him 10. Why they ain't give him a dub? Cooksie was one, I mean, not Cookie. No, not only that that was his attitude. You know what I'm saying? He was the one that he caught me one time, breathalized me, locked me up twice. Uh, you know, in jail, they talking about some, you know, you they give you a breathalyzer. Like when they come do doing random breathalyzer and all that. It's the old back in the day joint, it's like a straw on it. They tell you to blow, and they press the machine, you blow. And then your hair will pop pink. And then they be looking at the numbers if you've been drinking. So I was drinking one day, and you know, dudes say you could beat the drinking joint by putting peanut butter in your mouth, hold it in the back of your throat when you blow. No, I don't do it. Or go ahead. Or or or or or or you you have ice underneath your tongue, you know what I'm saying? Ice, ice supposed to, yeah, I mean, I guess dumb the or the numb the fucking straw or something like that, whatever the case may be. Ain't none of that work. I had ice, peanut butter, anything you could think of to stop me from blowing numbers of alcohol. So I went up there and I blew. And I blew. And when I blew, I looked at the drone and I see the numbers going up slowly. One, two, three, four. So I'm looking at it. He's like, no, no, it got to like 17 or something. And then that's way up over two and a half. You you is old time. I was at like 14, 17. Sorry's like, what that mean, Cooksie? He said, You know what it means. It means you've been drinking. Go sting your ass over there. We got one for the whole. I'm like, but they gotta breathe you 10 minutes later to see if it was 40. So I'm sitting there for that 10 minutes telling niggas, bring me some peanut butter because they don't let you go nowhere. I mean, you gotta sit there. I'm like, put me a little big ass scoop of peanut butter. Niggas is coming peanut butter in plastic. Put that shit in my hand. I'm dumping that joint and all that. Ain't none of that. I go back and blow again. That shit went up higher than it did last time. I'm like, man, licking and really kicked in there on that last 10 minutes that went past. Locked my dog ass up. But that was Cook Cooksie, man. Ain't nobody like Cooksie, man. He was crazy. I know a couple. It's a CO that became a lieutenant named Petty. Everybody that was at Fort Dicks with me know who this nigga is, and he's from New York. Not only Petty, Ruffin. Black ass ruffin. You know who you is, Ruffin. I don't know if he still works. And he was one of the worst kinds. Him and Petty, they'd play with you. Non-duty. Meaning they'd be real cool with you when you got a lot of cars. And all y'all who go into jail, and if you break the law, you go to jail, inspect the police like this. I'm warning you. They'd come in, what's up, man? I mean, play the game. Yeah, man, these hoes and this and that. I was just at club, such and such, and they might be from Jersey, especially if you at a home jail close to your home. Yeah. And Petty and this nigga named Ruffin, man, they the worst kind of niggas, man. Ruffin come, you will get caught on the phone. He'd be like, man, just tell me who got another phone. I'm gonna give you 50 books where you go get your phone back. We still gotta take it because they know we came in here. And dudes will be in there telling though. And get the 50 books, and they'll be like, Yeah, we ain't, yeah. I mean, we filmed the phone, but we ain't finding on him. Yeah. But the whole time a nigga then gave him some shit because they ready to write, because you know, at the time, they was you get caught with a phone, you was getting disciplinary transfer. Niggas did not want to leave Fort Dix, New Jersey. That was like being in On the streets. Yes. That was the next best thing to being on the streets. So a nigga would compromise itself and tell on some jail. I was telling, yo, they got phone stashed in the urine behind the third urinal in the bathroom, the downstairs, the big bathroom, and take the third urinal off the wall. You got a slide and you need a skinny. And there was another police with him that was crazy at Fort Dick. Some of the worst police I ever met was at Fort Dix. His name was Spider-Man. I forgot that was his nickname. They called him that because he could squeeze inside the vents, inside the little cracks, and that nigga, he'd go in there and come out all dirty with spider webs, dust cobwebs, and a big ass. Because you know, we'll cut the pants legs off the khakis and sew them up at the bottom and make it like a sleeve. And then you'll wrap your phone at night when you bandage it wrapping your phone up. You're like when you hiding your phone, like you'll turn it off and all that, take the battery out and all that. You know what I mean? You'll wrap it up with a bunch of saram rap. And I mean, you go through a protocol to hide your phone. You'll wrap it up with a bunch of saram wrap because you're putting it in like moisture water. Exactly. And you don't want nothing to get, so you'll wrap your joint up, then put a thousand socks over it, then might wrap it with some more plastic. So by the time you get your phone back the next day, like it'd be a dude to go in there and get it, and you'll get your phone back. And when you get your phone back, uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh you you it take you 10 minutes to unwrap it. You be sitting there unwrapping that drone like Christmas, all these socks on the side, whole bunch of plastic right here in front of you. You like, damn, I finally got my drone out. Let me go ahead and see who texted me while I had this drone put up. Because when you turn it on, five minutes later, you start seeing all the text messages pop up. Be like, damn, my girl texted me last week. Let me go ahead and get back out of the young baby, I got the phone out. You know what I'm saying? So that's how that drone goes in there, man.

SPEAKER_06 35:23

Shout out to Cole King. Uh, welcome to Freedom First, man. Shout out to Cole Kane for becoming a member. But you know, when you when you win these situations, right? You when you in jail, I know. Oh, ho, oh, ho, ho.

SPEAKER_05 35:33

J money, shout out to J Money, man. This my man, this my man, Jordo. I love your boy. Uh, he was at Fort Dix with me. And then you got T1000 and she 1000 at Fort Dix. Who is that? Now, you know, the day are we called when you when you name T1000, that's the man, and she 1000, that means you're a terminator. You're a term. This is the 1000 is the new protocol type. Okay. Uh the protocol type of police officer. Now I'm talking about she 1000 was like 6'5. I'm talking about when I say she was a white woman, like a Russian. I'm talking about boy, she was 6'5 and had the body of a Brazilian boy. I'm talking about she'd come through that jaw. I'm talking about everybody be like, we don't we hate to see her coming, but we love to see her coming, if that makes any sense. We hate to see her coming because her big ass is crawling in the cracks that you think she ain't going in. She ain't scared of none of that. She's gonna get you a phone. But you love her name. I forgot her real name. Niggas be naming her. You get named about your conduct. T1000 was her name. Oh, she was no no, she was she 1000. Okay. T1000 was the white boy that was crazy as hell. So hold on, she was she like disrespectful when she talked to y'all or she was like, cool. No, she won't say nothing, she won't do no talking. She comes getting all phones. She'll come through. I forgot what's her name, Jordo. What's her name, man? She 1000. You remember her name, man. What about T1000? Who is that? Who's that? That's a police officer. That's another CO.

SPEAKER_06 37:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 37:03

He trained her, turned her to T1000. Okay. White bull, he he working your block. If he works your block overnight, he's finding six, seven phones over late night shift. He knows all the stats. He finding your phone and he don't go in the office. He hides in the stalls. Three o'clock in the morning. He'll go get in the stall and sit in there and chill. Because you know niggas are going to bathroom going to stall two in the morning, talk to their girl jack off. Nigga be in there like, baby, yeah, you look good, baby. I'm just telling you how jail is of what's going on. Baby, you look good. And you know you can hear me. I'm trying to whisper though, because I know you probably in the next store beating your joint. But you know, it's a it's like a fuck fuss going on up here with yourself. I'm in the phone, like, yeah, baby, I couldn't wait. But he in the next store, like, you got one. Boop, give me the phone, give me the phone. You trying, you can't even bust out and try to run and go hide. You did. He hide in the stall right there. Now you thinking it's your man over there. You can't just drop it and flush it. No, the phone, some of them phones don't go down the toilet. Oh, wow. Because you know, you got a bigger phone and you know the toilet holds only, but so big. So, you know, you gotta try to crush it up about the time all that he's tackling you, and they just want that phone to lock your ass. And they're getting bonuses. Little $200 bonus, every phone they find, little bean bonus, a knife they find. So T1000 and C1000 was the best at that.

SPEAKER_06 38:10

So you get caught with a phone, right? Is that uh automatic uh transport out of the jail? Huh? A phone is an automatic transport for out of the prison.

SPEAKER_05 38:18

At one point at Fort Dix, when they catch you with a phone, it was over with. They'll tell you when you get off the bus. The the warden, when you go, when you first get to every jail you go to, your first week you'll you're you're waiting to go to orientation. A it's called A L. Orientation. You go to orientation. Everybody that came with you on that bus will be in orientation. The warden sees you, SIS sees you. They'll come in there, and while we all sitting in the auditorium, each person will get up there and make well, I'm the head of uh uh medical or I'm the head of uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh the food administration, like what we eat here. If you have a problem, you can put a cop out on the meet. Well, I'm the head of the school department. If you're looking to get into a certain school assignment, you talk to me, you know what I'm saying? So this is what A and O is about. And and and the warden told us that Fort Dix, he said, yo, yeah, man, everybody love to come here. We like it's like a kid shopping in the candy shop. He's like, but guess what? You get caught with any of that, man, you're going to California. Disciplinary disciplinary transfer to California. Oh, Cali is rough. Yeah. Yes, coming from Fort Dix to California.

SPEAKER_06 39:21

Is any prisons like Fort Dix like other places, like other states?

SPEAKER_05 39:25

Yeah, you you got a couple. I'm hearing about the mile in Michigan. I'm hearing about uh uh uh uh uh uh uh Lovejoy in Atlanta. Um there's a couple joints where they're shaking at. It's a couple good joints that dudes try to get to. It's a couple of them. Okay, you know, butn't uh, everybody trying to get the button. You know what I'm saying? Especially them new jails that be just opening up that really ain't got a structure yet. Yeah, you know what I mean? Police ain't really found the identity of how they want to run it, and the men still, the convicts is having the way. Like it's a couple jails that's still running, you know, I mean, the convicts' way.

SPEAKER_06 39:57

Listen, so all right, say, right, I come on, I come from up or another prison from another state, right? I come to um Fort Dix, uh, y'all in there. Is it protocols or rules? Like, listen, these are the rules of that we had the inmates have. This is uh this is our rules we have. Don't come in here breaking these rules because you can get everybody else, everybody else poured up. Yes. How we are dealing with an inmate coming in there just you really don't have inmates.

SPEAKER_05 40:23

That's really something you don't see. You can't beat the wave. And if it is one, his ass is getting handed to him. You're not gonna mess up the comfortability of the hole for your uh foolishness. But doesn't that make him tell? Well, I'm not saying it don't happen, yeah, but you really had it happen. Okay. Yeah, a dude's gonna come and fall right in the line. Once when you first get to the jail, you're looking around and seeing how it's structured and how it's rain. Okay, we can do this here. Because if I can do that at the last jail I came from, I'm like, ooh, okay. This is the perks of it, this the damfalls of it. Okay. But you get right in line. You don't come in and start a whole unless you got your own play, as far as in how you get your money and all that, and you're a new player into this field. But you still gotta abide by the loser, the laws of that jail that you're in. Everybody follows that protocol. You don't come in there and buck the protocol of the norm of that unit that you landed on in that institution. And if you do, your ass is getting sent up out of there, either by your homies or a whole nother car is getting you out of there with your homies. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 41:21

Wow. That's crazy, man. That's crazy. Well, it's just like it's a whole different world, y'all. Stay free, stay out of there, man. Stay out of jail. Yeah, listen, y'all, make sure y'all hit that like button, make sure y'all um, you know, subscribe or become a member if you're able to. And um, also again, once again, I want to say that Tellsman Jails, we do not glorify prison in any way. You know, shout out to Larry Krasner, man. I heard that he'd be watching Tells from the Gels, man. Heard that he's he's uh following us and what we got going on on Instagram and paying attention to the page, man. Shout out to you, Larry. Hopefully you can get some of these guys home and help, you know, help some of these guys that are uh innocent because there are some innocent individuals.

SPEAKER_05 41:58

And he has been doing it, you know what I mean? As I can see the three men, you know, that we're trying to reach out to to get up here down that was, you know, they had that they they they case was built off false falsi and all that type of stuff. He got them men home. Granted, it was damn near 30 years later, but I still rather come home and stay in there for the rest of my life.

SPEAKER_06 42:15

They might get a little check too.

SPEAKER_05 42:16

Yeah, they're definitely gonna get a check. Ain't no might about it. A couple million? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 42:20

But is a couple million worth 30 years? I mean, in that case, you had no choice to choose. I'm I'm pretty sure nobody would would do 30 years for a couple million dollars. But I think that people would would be expecting to get uh compensated for doing 30 years in prison, you know what I'm saying? And then the money the money doesn't really help because you you've been in jail so long, you're not even gonna you're not even gonna you probably gonna sp spend that spend that money run through it because you don't you just been in jail so long, everything has changed. 30 years?

SPEAKER_05 42:49

Yeah. That means he went to jail in the then in the night in the 90s. Yeah. But if you're in there 30 years and they give you 10 million dollars.

SPEAKER_06 42:55

When you had cell phones in the 90s?

SPEAKER_05 42:57

No. Mm-mm. But still, if you one thing about a jailhouse do, a jailhouse do you learn through through through through life itself, man. Like, you really ain't the things that they gotta learn, like the new ways, like we they gotta learn the new ways of life and how to work a phone or how to fill out an application nowadays and do that. But the overall consensus of a convict that's coming home from that, he knows how to guard itself. He knows how to, you know, what is it called? What's the word I'm looking for, Torfique? When a person is like, be conservative. Okay. He don't overindulge in stuff. He knows how to manage his stuff properly. A dude don't be going 30 years, man, things then got crunchy for you. You know what I mean? That commissary that got low and been to nothing plenty occasions in 30 years. So when you do get a little $45 bag and you get 20 soups and three max, yo, them 20 soups, you can laugh you can make that last damn near a whole month, bro. A whole month. Why? Because you have adapted and learned the way of being conservative. One thing about a person that you meet and he didn't know how to make a bottle of regular. A swave bottle of lotion lasts two months. You know what I mean? I put a little bit, a little squeeze a lotion in my hand with a little bit of water, and that joint will go a long way. Instead of keep using a whole joint to it, because we out here, we just, oh, it's our hand. We got no dude in jail knows how to be conservative, bro. Very conservative. And everything they do with their food, with uh with their like everything will be structured. Yeah, but now growing as far as learning the ways of the world be the whole other issue. You know, doing like how you be telling me, man, you got to do it. We go in restaurants. I don't mind, I'm like, yo, what they got? Feek just order that for me. You like, man, look at the joint order. You know what I'm saying? These are things that we have to grow in. But other than that, yeah, we we're definitely some misers. That's like when you go back and we always talk and you think that, you know, if I ever ran into $100,000, 40 of it might go somewhere else. Bro, you in for a long night in hell, bro, if you think that. I would love for you to put the money, the bet to me with everything you got. Because boy, I'm gonna give you half of it back because you my brother, I love you. But boy, ain't nobody I know how I know what it feels like. When you know what it feels like to be in there, man, and they got nothing, bro. Yeah nothing. Just don't. A lot of people get the misconception of, you know, a person go to the jail, oh, you got three hots in the cot, you know, it ain't nothing. No, bro. Dinner time at five o'clock. Dinner time at five o'clock. Sometimes it might be shit on the shingle. That's a uh aka for one of the meals that they serve. What they having down there is shit on the shingle. You like, I ain't even going a child today. But what is that meal? It's like a noodles with like some with some with some some ground beef. Oh my god, it's so bad. Jordo, what that shit on the shingle like. Yo, you mean the dark skip beauty? What's up, Darksky Beauty? And uh what it's crazy, but you you mean you know how you know how to you know how to govern yourself a whole lot better, man. One thing about it, man, jail teaches, man. It teaches one thing about it, you know, it teaches, it teaches like hell. And it's one other thing, right? That I wanted, you know, it's kind of like going off topic, but I thought about it earlier, and I sit back and I think about it, and I look at my myself and problems I go through in my everyday steps of trying to stay, you know, I mean, decent and stay, you know what I mean, a decent human being, and you know, trying to stay a good person without nobody else looking, right? And with that integrity, yeah, and with that, man, and you know, for you know, I mean, the system is designed, man, it it crushes us, y'all. Like for people, man, like we bring this message to y'all because we don't want nobody to go through what we done went through, man. And and I damn sure don't, man, because it it's still heavy on me right now to this day, and it might look like I'm doing extraordinary or decay, it might not, but it's a struggle every day. And I sit back and I think of things sometimes when I'm by myself or whatever. And the system is designed against you, especially when you start playing that game and going in and out of jail, catching cases, man. You know, a lot of times we don't think about it. We take deals just to come home on probation and stuff like that. I might have got caught with a gun and I'm they might have offered me a three-year probation. They'll give it to me. And I'm fast because I want to get out of jail. That's anybody. But now you gotta really look about the ramifications behind that, man. That gun case is gonna stop you from getting into so many doors legitly. That what else do you, like, if we being honest, what do you expect a grown man to do? Like, they'll hire you at McDonald's or pizza store or something like that, $15. Like, what the fuck am I doing with $15, bro? An hour. And I understand, I understand, I get it, but we do it to ourselves. This is accountability on top of a fact. You did it to yourself in that position. I get it. Me, I did it to myself. So when you go into the nice jobs, the the Amtrak's or the hospital jobs, if you're a convict, you gotta know somebody to know somebody to know somebody to get into these positions. Because not only do they pay good, they got good benefits, and they don't want that type of shit underneath their companies. Somebody that's been locked up for bank robbery, you just came home from murder. They don't want that inside their establishment. So now all not only did you serve your time as a society if you had to go do time in the peanut system, you gotta come home and serve time the rest of your life. And when I say term, when you come home meaning you're turned away from all types of doors. If you ain't got good friends, this is my brother I got for me, and that's still even hard. You know what I mean? So, motherfucker ain't trying to give you their money, it's still gonna point you their right way. But motherfucker ain't titled to give you their shit, keep, you know what I mean? And you gotta get up there and do, but you got so many, like when you sit back and really think about going to prison, man, and taking deals, bro. That's the worst thing that could ever do, that's the worst journey you could ever embark on, man, of going in inside the penal system and taking deals and getting found guilty for stuff because it's against you. People see it. You try and get then all of a sudden you come home, you got all these good ass trades and stuff. You ain't opening up your business, your own business and getting it pumping. People is like gonna turn you away, man. And rightfully so. Put yourself in their shoes. Would you hire a motherfucker that just came home from committing two murders? Would you hire somebody that robbed six banks and got caught into he did 10, 15 years? But I'm in my mind, like, man, I'm wondering if this boy really habilitates. So I'm gonna go ahead and take the other safer option with this other dude that's doing an application that ain't never been in trouble. And granted, he might just do something one day. But the proof is here. I know who will do it when I'm looking at it. So yeah, try to keep yourselves out of them type of situations, man, because once you finally wake up and realize that you don't want to, that this wasn't a life that you you supposed to be doing, it's still a long journey to still get you because you're still you're getting like it's like you're getting double punished. You go do your time, you know, you come home, and then you're going to these companies even warm. We got places that have turned you away, little bullshit ass jobs because of what you've been charged with.

SPEAKER_06 49:30

Shout out to Jamilia 1808 for becoming a member. Welcome to Freedom First. But I want to talk about something too. Um, you know, uh South Carolina with the guy, uh Rick Chow, where he uh killed uh the young guy, Cyrus Carmac Delton. Right. This guy's uh this young kid, I believe he stole the water out of the store, took off on foot. I believe this guy, uh Rick Chow and his son chased behind him, and ultimately ended up killing this kid for stealing the water or whatever he stole out of the store.

SPEAKER_05 50:03

And the black people just act, I'm gonna just tweak it. Black people just acted out on that too, just crushed that man's store.

SPEAKER_06 50:08

Yeah, but I'm saying that he got found not guilty for that. Kid running away. No weapon found in the kid at all. And he kills this kid, and he got found not guilty. Is there something wrong with this with this whole situation?

SPEAKER_05 50:24

I'm not saying something wrong with it, because it's a like maybe that's why I say sometimes it's good to go, like it's good to go with a jury because you got different opinions and different thoughts.

SPEAKER_06 50:33

Okay, so he's so he he didn't steal a water. So that's what he's saying, he didn't steal a water. So this is what uh John Smith just said, he didn't steal a water. I gotta re-look into it, but I know it's something about him taking something or something, whatever, and he ran off.

SPEAKER_05 50:46

I think they got into a little physical altercation if they were scuffling in there or whatever, and then he started running away. He shot him in the back, though. Yes, but what that's what happened. A fleeing individual. And then I watched the uh store owner's son testify. He didn't lie doing testimony and all that. He made him look bad. Like, was he running away? He was like, Yeah, he was running away. And shot him in his back. Like, that's crazy. Like, and let me did that with a license. See, it was just certain times, man, you got to have certain complexions for certain connections, man, at certain times, man. And that's just a fact, man. I ain't a racist up here. I'm not sitting up here saying the white man or the Chinese man. I'm not saying none of that. But it is the elephant in the room, man. If you got the complexion for the connection in the right situation, you're just gonna get by, man. You're just gonna get by. You can't tell me that if I was a store owner, black, me, black, and a person came to my store and I say they're trying, and then they got evidence showing this man, regardless of I got a licensed gun or not, showing that this man is fleeing from me and I shoot him in his back. You tell me I don't think I would beat that kid. But they said it was no scuffle or nothing. They just said he just, he just So what made him run? You gotta look into it. So what made the young man? If it wasn't no scuffle, no nothing. Because I look at both sides. Why you running if it wasn't with you running because he said something to you?

SPEAKER_06 51:57

Oh, what you doing? So they said they said they said he did have a gun. But he still fleeing away with the gun, he shoot him in the back, though.

SPEAKER_05 52:06

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but yeah, that's it, yeah. Like, like that was like. See, but it's different laws in different states of how they carrying it. In Pennsylvania, you can't shoot nobody in the back if they leave them away from you, even if you license them not. Different, where did this happen at? Where did this take place at?

SPEAKER_06 52:20

This is in uh um this was in um Columbia. This happened in a convenience store in Columbia, South Carolina. So this this this kid, he's um he ran, he was he was running away. African-American kid was running away, fleeing from the store. The store owner chased him down, shot him in the back, and killed him. Uh the kid that wasn't that wasn't wavering the gun, didn't turn that and didn't turn around and see how he was. So he did have a gun on him, though. That's what they're saying. He had a gun.

SPEAKER_05 52:50

You don't know if the store owner might have seen it or whatever, whatever, but I know it was crazy. Like he killed, like I don't think um, yeah, I mean, I shh. This is a bad drawman. Yeah, this is a bad drawing, man. It's a bad drawing. If they got evidence that this man was fleeing, see if then like I said, he went with a jury chart.

SPEAKER_06 53:09

Well, they're saying that the kid pointed the gun at the at the at the at the uh store on his son. While he's fleeing? Before he fled the scene, he pointed the gun. So this is uh the case is not about a shoplifter. The case is about a father who sees a gun pointed at his son and had to make a decision. This is what the uh defense attorney said. Um this is what he told him uh this was a part of his closing statement. So saying the kid had a gun, he ran from the store, chased him down, and he shot him. And Philly, though, you can't do I mean Philly is crazy. I've seen people that had gun licenses and they got into altercation with somebody, and the person, you know, had a weapon and was fleeing, running away from running away. And they shot him. Some guy, somebody I know, I don't want to say his name, but he shot he shot a guy fleeing with a weapon, and he got charged for that.

SPEAKER_05 53:59

Yeah, he got charged, but did he get found guilty? He got found guilty, yeah. Oh, well, yeah, see.

SPEAKER_06 54:03

At home now, I think he did, he did like 12 years or something, something for that.

SPEAKER_05 54:06

He guilty? Yeah. Yeah, see. You got the guy who had the complexion for the certain connections, man.

SPEAKER_06 54:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 54:12

That's just it, man. It's just, man, I was watching something today, man. You could do any crime you want to do, man. Once you in jail, man, it's about whoever tells the best story. Because you got a lot of people that, you know, I mean, once you go once you're going to trial. Yeah, once you go in, once you're in jail and you go to trial, and all it's whoever tells the best story, man. Yeah. You mean because you got people in there that, you know, might have been charged with one thing, but get the outlook. Whoever tells the best story, whoever paints the best picture in front of the judge or the jury, and they got you there, that's who's going to win your case ultimately. It's not even about proving innocence no more. It's about whoever painting the bank, the best picture, bro.

SPEAKER_06 54:48

But they're saying this too, also. They said uh the prosecutors acknowledge that Carmack Belton had a semi-automatic weapon, uh, but they said it fell on the ground during the chase, and he never threatened anyone with it.

SPEAKER_05 55:01

Okay, well, yeah, you keep saying all this stuff, it's just a sad joint.

SPEAKER_06 55:05

We already, but yeah, it's a sad joint. My thing is it sounds like it's just it's just crazy because if he didn't point the weapon at this guy and it fell on the ground, and you still shoot him. This is this is me looking at this is that's murder. Yeah, you're out of pocket. But what you what the hell are you sending over there as murder? You see, he got off.

SPEAKER_05 55:20

He just got off and murder. So in this case, do you think he'll retry him? Who gonna retry him? He just beat it. Ain't no retrying. Once you go to jury trial and they thought they you anonymous, that's over with. Oh, it ain't no retrying. That's a done deal. That's in the books. Oh, yeah, jury trial, right? Yeah, he's going home. Yeah, yeah, and once you get, yeah, all that they'll mistrial, they could either throw it out or retry it.

SPEAKER_06 55:42

But you saw the store that this people that destroyed that store. They crushed that drone. Now, this this guy, Mr. Chow, whatever his name is. He got insurance. He ain't worried about that. Will he ever be able to open that store again? Probably not. Would you be able to get it? Huh? That could be your livelihood. Would you could you go out there and try to try to reopen your store again?

SPEAKER_05 55:59

No, I'm gonna get my I'm gonna get the money for my store because insurance, and I'm gonna go open up in a whole nother town. I'm gonna take because I already know the format of how to run my business. You can open up this store anywhere. Me and my family, we out. We got the up move. This is something big for him. Mr. Chow is gonna have backlash for the rest of his life where he at if he stays. And he might lose his life. Yeah, yeah. Now the people, black people is mad. They're in uh grab the arms, release the hounds.

SPEAKER_06 56:26

We out here. You know what I'm saying? Why is it too though? I want when I'm not trying to say what say nothing wrong, but why is it that we stand up for ourselves or our people whenever another race kills us? But people a lot of times don't really go as hard. Like if it's if it's if it's two young guys killing each other, it's just like, oh, this is normal, we can just kill each other. It seems like that sometimes to know. It's brainwashed, man.

SPEAKER_05 56:52

We brainwash, man. You know, we hear about, you know, you see it all the time, you know, dudes in the neighborhood, we just gonna keep it funky, man. Dudes in the neighborhood killed another dude. And, you know, we had a homie. We had a homie, peace be upon my old way that got killed, but he killed a dude from a neighborhood. You know what I'm saying? Due time, 21, 20 something years, come home. Yeah, I mean, everybody was all we brainwashed. But when it comes to someone else, another ethnic group killing us, and they beat it, but everybody wanna grab, like I said, grab the arms.

SPEAKER_06 57:21

And and they celebrating when when when it's when it's us killing each other and somebody get all.

SPEAKER_05 57:26

You might my man beat that body. Exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. It's all it all comes down to the way we think, man. It's all the way the outlook, man. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06 57:35

I I just think that we gotta we gotta have a different approach. We gotta have a different approach. This this is uh this is like a contradiction, you know, for us. We we we get upset whenever someone else kills us, but when when we killing each other, we ain't really it's like it's just normal for us to kill each other. You know what I mean? I don't really, I don't really agree with that, man. You know, but there there are there are some people that are standing up and saying, you know, that is wrong. Not saying everybody, but for me, it seemed like the majority is like, yeah, they'll say free uh free Tyrell, knowing he didn't kill four people. Free little Mike Mike, no, he just he was out here shooting everything up. Like, you know, free the men, knowing that the men was out here shooting people and poisoning, just you know what I'm saying? So we have to we have to really like check ourselves, whatever, man. I think if everybody stood up, stood up on stood on one position that right is right, wrong is wrong, all the way around the board, we would probably be in a different space. But we don't really stand that way.

SPEAKER_05 58:36

So what's the name say something that was interesting right here? Oh millennon, Millennium 07. They say, because you know a lot of people say he was scared he was in the black neighborhood, he ain't know, you know, because black people act like animals or whatever, whatever, whatever. He's a child. No, they're just saying he was scared. So, but they're saying they shouldn't even be have stores in black neighborhoods if they're afraid of the people.

SPEAKER_06 58:57

But you know, I ain't gonna lie, I know one person that owns a a store, like a convenience store. That's African-American. I know one, you know, you know, I think he owns two. Noodles. Who else you know to own owner own a convenience, like a like a convenience store or like a store? No, I'm not not a black person, no. I know people own restaurants, not in the butt I'm talking about, like a bodega, like something like where is that you can go get, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 59:21

Shout out the noodles, man, having them convenience stores in the neighborhoods, man, for us to come cop our little personal hygiene, food, clothes, get down there and see noodles, man.

SPEAKER_06 59:31

Shout out to noodles, yeah. But it's we don't really own anything in our in our um neighborhoods. I think we gotta, if we implement more of that, it's like, no way, why we don't own the poppy stores? Why can't we educate ourselves to own poppy stores? Or I mean not saying, I'm just saying poppy stores, but because that's what we call them. But why can't we own a convenience store? Why aren't why aren't we on every store? Why why are we giving all this money to the to the you know someone else? And they're capitalizing on this and we're not. Why can't we just put put stores in place? Why don't we why aren't we educated on that? I'm pretty sure it's people that can do it. But we should own these stores. That's how it was back in like the 60s and all that stuff and 70s, and you know, we was because you know, my my grandfather and and tough stuff like that, they would he had friends who own things in the store, own stores and stuff like that. And I saw some of that coming up, some stores that was owned by African Americans when we were kids. But now you you rarely see an African American own on like a bodega. We don't, I don't know. We should be making cheesesteaks and hoagies and all that stuff too, man. It's it's it's it's it's good money. You can make some money over in the poppy store, man. Or I keep saying poppy store, but owning the convenience store. You know, but why don't we do it? And they're they are everywhere. Yes, it is everywhere. You know what I mean? So but what what other news you got for us? What else happened, man? Oh man, I got something. Um Yeah, man, it just it's just that I think that while you look for that, it's one of really looking to that because sometimes we look other places, but sometimes it can be a gold mine right in front of you. And in our communities, we uh we probably would dominate if uh our the as far as the customers, they probably won't want to come to us. I'm saying why I probably want to come to us more, they want to come to uh uh another ethnic group or another race. As long as we got our stuff in order. But it's just that we just I don't know. I don't know what it is. We gotta have some more unity. Maybe I should do like a class to teach people how to open a because I'm pretty sure it's like it's like uh government funded where you can get grants. Because I mean a lot of times, you know, people are you know opening these stores, but it it gotta be something that allows you to do this stuff. It's can't it got it gotta be like uh something that we don't we not understanding or learning? Why we don't own no gas stations? Why we don't own no you know no wa type joints? Why don't we own it? It can't be that difficult. I'm gonna look into it and see. Maybe I can get a class to teach people how about doing that. Yeah, that'd be good. That might be good. So when we can start opening up, I'm coming to that class too. Oh yeah?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:03

Yeah. I ain't even invite you. Oh, well, that's cool too, though. I'd I'd be outside. You mean telling somebody to let me know what's going on?

SPEAKER_06 1:02:10

I'm gonna look into it and see. I'm gonna go look into it and see. Because it got it gotta be something. It can't be gotta be simple. What mean tell me that you know I'm not knocking nobody's intelligence, but you mean telling people are that much smarter than us that we can't figure that out and open up something like that? And get a, you know, uh credit card scanning machine, a food stamp scanning uh device, or get some lunch meat and some chip chips and have it stock the sodas and the milk and keep everything stocked and keep the store nice and clean. Mean we can't do that?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:39

I want to um talk about something about like how you say that. You know, I've been thinking about this the last couple days, man. You know how you you know they just let the three dudes that came home, man, that caught the homicides in what 19 what 92 or some crazy stuff, or whenever they caught it. And they got and a lot of times, like I said, they they they they make the wrong conviction. The wrong conviction. And I came up across a man two days ago, man. You got a Texas man declared innocent 70 years after he was executed on death row. Do you hear what I'm saying? Texas man declared innocent 70 years after he was executed on death row. A young black man named Tommy Lee Walker was arrested for the rape and murder of a 31-year-old Vanice Parker, a white woman. He was only 19 years old. The case unfolded during a time of intense racial tension when the hundreds of black men were being questioned simply because of the color of their skin. But there was no one, but there was one major problem. Walker had alibi. While the crime was happening, he was reportedly at a hospital with his pregnant girlfriend as she gave birth to their son. Multiple witnesses backed up his story. Yet investigators focused on him anyway. Authorities claimed he confessed, but decades later a review found that confession was obtained through cohesion interrogation tactics. Investigators also uncovered unreliable testimony, misleading evidence, and racial bias that tainted the entire case. An all-white jury convicted him. In 1956, at just 21 years old, Tommy Lee Walker was executed in the electric chair while maintaining his innocence. For decades, his son Edward Lee Smith carried the pain of growing up without a father, knowing his mother never stopped insisting that Tommy was innocent. He spent years fighting to clear his father's name. Then on January 21st, 2026, history changed. After extensive review by the Dallas County District Attorney's Office, the Innocent Project, the civil rights advocates, Dallas County officials officially declared that Tommy Lee Walker was an it was innocent 70 years after the state took his life. His name was finally cleared. Finally cleared 70 years after he took his life.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:07

I just want to start by saying something too before you speak. I want to want to commend you, man. You was really clear in those big words, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:13

Oh, yeah, for real?

SPEAKER_06 1:05:14

Yeah, you did a good job, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:15

Thank you, man. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:17

I'm over here like crazy start clapping, but I'm proud of you, man. But go ahead, what you gonna say?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:20

But but but for real, like all jokes aside, like it's supposed to be some competition compensation behind that to the family members or anything, because he can't get it.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:30

But money, let's not they throw money like if they kill mute, if they kill you, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:35

Nah, then again, the price gotta be like because I wouldn't have if they killed you and came to me with a I'm gonna be sad, but if they gave me 50 million, 10 million, I'm like, damn, man, killing that bag up like, damn, Fika wants me to do the right thing with this 10 million, man. I don't want you to have died in vain. I'm gonna take that motherfucker and I'm gonna have little morals and you ain't think like I'm playing Fika. You know what I mean? But that's why I say somebody gotta get compensated. That's not good enough. Just to say 70 years after you put me to my death. Oh, yeah, he ain't do that. What we what we charged him with. And then throw some money. And then his son knows he got son, he probably got siblings. He probably got that that's not enough. Yeah, we got it wrong. Y'all killed him. This is the this is a heavy takeaway. Like that's really, man, you sit back and really think about that. All you gonna give me is, yeah, you know, we come to the conclusion that we killed him by accident. He he wasn't the one that did it.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:36

How can you get that back to me? Can you imagine being killed knowing that you're innocent? You can you imagine then uh you gotta spend so many years on death row? Just knowing you're gonna die, knowing there is a- Yo, I did not do this. You know what I mean? We got an interview coming out with God, uh Lamar Oglesby, man. He's an innocent guy that's in jail serving life. This week, this Thursday. He's an innocent guy who's serving a life sentence. He's been falsely accused of murder. So uh we're gonna have an interview with him this week. This is gonna drop this this Thursday, man. But this goes on at Lamaria. Some some guys there's innocent, man. When they really do it. Yeah. Yeah. And it's crazy, man. Real crazy. But money, they throw money at it, and then they say, you know, the family sometimes it does help. Let's keep it real. 10 million to help a lot.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:28

Uh boy, let you go out. I need a dub or better. I'm gonna be sad a lot of days, but when I'm walking in that crib and jumping in that, you understand me. But I'm I'm I'm my whole thing is to not squander this away, man. I'm in a better position, man. My man had to die for me. I'm gonna be sad because I would give it all back to have you here. But if that's what you had to replace it with, which I wouldn't, I wouldn't take that for that if they told me like we want feet to die, we get no. But you no, fuck no. No, I want some money, but no, I'm not the fuck no, super fuck no. But you know, if you did that or me, and they gave you the money, you know what I mean? Like, oh yeah, you compensate me. All right, you know what I'm still being times I don't know how you know I mean, took me a little sip and whatever, whatever. And I'm gonna be thinking, yeah, a lot. That's what that's why I said this, because that's gonna make me think. Ain't that much money in the world. Now I'm in my bag. Tom kicking my car up with the new jack. I'm thinking about stuff, and I woke up in the morning and hangover, and I'm like, damn, leave some of this big old bed, man. I ain't gonna jump a man, you know what I mean? It's gonna be that. I'm just being real with you, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:33

Yo, man. But yeah, like it's just it's crazy, man. So a lot of times we we we don't really understand the importance of you know a freedom, man. And it's crazy, man, when it is taken from you, especially if you ain't even do nothing wrong. It's been people that's just dying or that have died because they was falsely accused. And at that time, you said it was around time where as though we were going through our little beefs, you know, with you know, Caucasian America. It was like a lot of racism was going on. So if any, you know, Caucasian person said that a black person did anything, you going to jail. Straight to jail. So it's probably better to stay in your house. Yeah. And they had no cameras and all that stuff back then, just like with your word against mine. And they're gonna believe them over they're gonna over us every given Sunday. Excuse me. But yeah, man, it's just it's just crazy out here. So what else you got? Make something else for me? And then, you know, when you when you look at prison back then, it ain't had no AC and so in them hot summers, you in a cell sweating. Walls are sweating.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:40

It was it was harsher time back then. A lot of rights have been given to convicts from that day up until now. A lot of things have changed as far as the rights for a convict. You know what I'm saying? It was next to you being a real live slave back then, incarcerated.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:58

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's just crazy, man. And being in jail by then, yeah, you probably wanted to kill yourself.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:06

Yeah, I want to talk about this right here, man. I got a joint, man. Crazy joint right here. Randy, all right, this is out of uh Randy Jackson was imprisoned at 18 and released at 59 after serving one of the longest wrongful convictions in history. Ricky Jackson lost 39 years of his life after being wrongfully convicted at just 18 years old. No physical evidence, only manipulated testimony from a child under pressure. When the truth finally came out decades later, he walked free after nearly four decades behind bars. But with shock many people, what many people, most wasn't just oh, would shock many people, most wasn't just his release. It was his forgiveness. Instead of letting hate consume him, Ricky chose peace and grace. His story is a reminder that even when the system fails someone, the human spirit can still survive. Yeah, he good. He's good for that. Cause I, yeah, I'm I ain't forgiving a motherfucking thing. I'm hot. I'm hot. I'm I'm I'm I'm super, I'm I'm sun hot. Sun hot, because I'm quite bite sure the whole time that he's been in there for that uh uh all them years, the 30-something years, he been pleading his innocence. Yeah. And for y'all finally let me go now, because guess what? Y'all ain't gonna give me, y'all ain't stopped. Y'all made money off of me. Every time it was time to build for me, y'all got paid.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:34

You want to get out when you're in when you when you when you're guilty. So imagine how much you want to get, how bad you want to get out when you when you uh you hitting the lid, you hitting the lid.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:42

You everybody that could that that that will stop and listen, I ain't do it. Every ear that turns your way, I ain't did it. Dudes don't even want to come in in jail. You have dudes like that. Dudes don't even want to come be, they want to go talk feet, man. You know that nigga gonna come over here with that wine and that shit. Tell me how he ain't did nothing. Let that nigga walk the track by herself. So nobody wanna hear that. No, nobody wanna keep hearing that. You ain't mean we here, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:05

We ain't with I ain't did it either. It's messed up though, man. I'm saying I'm coming, I'm trying to get some some comfort from you guys. Yeah, but don't nobody want to hear that, bro. Yeah, listen, you know what's crazy? When you when you're going through something, right? You trying to talk to people, man. Yeah, you try to get some type of comfort, like this. Somebody just to just not only to agree, agree with you, but to give you some uh some sympathy, but it's hard when you ain't getting that, man. You don't have that support.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:26

Yeah, that join, that join when you go. I got friends though. I know, I know my personnel, I know my friends, I know certain friends that I can talk to about certain things. Like, I don't come talk to you about my woman no more. I keep it, like I let you lose and stuff because you're like, well, yeah, maybe you need to change your doormat. Or maybe, and I'm looking, I'm not looking at it like that. Well, maybe, well, maybe, and I'm like, what then? Or my T Y. I don't talk to T Y about my woman problems no more. T Y a little bit more vicious than you. No, I talk to Nard. I go to Nard. Me and Nard can understand each other. We love, we, we love bugs. Okay. And we know we we're not being naive to a fact or a situation that happened, but we understand each other. So we'll go and put it all on the table and black bear there. You know what I'm saying, with each other's feelings and thoughts and uh conversations. And it won't be, it'll be an interesting uh and and comforting conversation. Okay. You know what I'm saying? But with certain dudes, you'll be like, yeah, I ain't gonna tell him because the first thing he's gonna do is like tighten up. He numbed to certain feelings like yeah, you can't tell everybody certain things. Yeah, because you're gonna walk away from that conversation feeling worse than you did when you came into the conversation. But is there ever anybody in jail who you can, I mean, yeah, you goddamn right. But you got dudes in there that love to listen to that and give you all the great advice that you may want to hear. Yes, my young bud, don't take it like that, man. See what happened. Man, I have so many dudes, man. I tell a dude, man, about a girl doing that answer in the phone. He be like, Yeah, the bitch out there fucking she's sucking joint or whatever, whatever, whatever. I go back to my old way, nigga. He be like, Man, listen. Like, if you out there working, what you think? You probably be sleeping. I'll be like, Yup, yup. And it might be fool when you think you'd be like, yeah, and you tricked yourself into believing this. We like, I like talking to old heads or every time I get an issue, I'm going right to old head with it. Yeah, that's how I do it.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:07

Yeah, yeah, like man, like she probably sucking and doing this and doing that.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:10

You like you sitting there the whole time, like you didn't even want to hear that. And you go to old head, you tell him like you, he's like, Man, don't listen to that fool. Cause this girl ain't got no job. That's why she always answering you, like, yup, she don't got no job. Yeah, I mean, you you in there on some all just crazy time.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:24

You heard certain people, you're right, you can't go to certain people, people were uh, you know, asking for advice, but some people to give it to you just be like, no, dude, they give you just the mentality straight to the point. Yeah, man, she probably out there getting, you know what I mean, getting this and getting that. And it almost seemed like like they trying to tear you down. That's what it does. It seems like they just trying to just knock you off your work. Yeah, they love to see when, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:48

Yo, like nah. That's why you don't tell your business to everybody. I don't want no advice like that. Yeah, that's the same way on the street. Same way on the street. Dudes that always they they they happy to see you coming. What's going on this time? And they looking to tear you down and make you feel worse than what you feel. No, mm-mm. Yeah, I mean, see me, I'm gonna tell it to you how it is, but I'm more I'm a realist. I look at both sides of a fence. Like if a situation happened and say something bad happened to me. You do it with me a lot.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:15

Now I'm duty.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:15

No, what would do what you lie for? I don't be trying to do no no no.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:18

No, I'm saying, I'm saying you you not on duty. You tell me like you look at stuff both sides of the fence.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:23

Yeah, I because I then I'll be like, damn, I understand. Now you'll understand that person's anger. Like you gotta put yourself in, like a person cussing you out and you might have did something that may have caused it, but you overlooking what you don't, what you what you did to cause it, but you looking at how they and then they might be over you know what I mean, over zealus or whatever. Ah you like, damn. But when you go back and be like, damn, you put yourself in their shoes and be like, if that happened to me, I'd be doing this. And so you now you you can accept it a little bit better. Yeah, and I ain't saying this is the way that everybody should think, but if you use that method of thinking, I I swear a lot of times, man, a lot of things will be hashed out easier.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:57

Shout out to Big Shaq. He said, uh he said he said he swear he hates when somebody tells somebody about their problems and they turn it into the conversation about you know themselves. Like, you know what I'm saying? He'd be like, man, I'm coming to you talking about I do I hate that too. I'm coming to talk about me. Yeah, Big Shaq, shout out, stand up 066. And then you be like, they switched, yeah. Cause when I was, you know, I had to go through this, I had to go, you like, now you now you being a therapist. It just switched to you being a therapist now. Yeah. Why why why listen? Let's talk about that. Why does it hurt so bad when you're going when you're going through stuff, especially like with a woman? It hurts so bad, like it just the the just the the the the the attachment of of a it just like it just thing your heart is being ripped out, man. It just feels like and then you get that funny heartbeat, you just thinking about it.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:42

But listen, right? And you on the street and felt that on the street. Imagine having that feeling in jail when you really can't do nothing to numb it. Because out here you'll be hurt or whatever, but you could go date another girl to try to, you know. They say how you get over one nigga is to grab another nigga. Same thing for uh a chick. Or or a nigga. He won't get over one chick, go grab another chick, even though you still might be hurting, but you can still go soothe your comfort elsewhere. Yeah, and then still might come crashing back down on you in the morning, but you have outlets. That's what we're gonna say outlets. Day by day, to help it get to that day. But in there, boy, you just gotta man up and take that shit. Either you gonna kill yourself or get on to the next day. It boy, that shit hurts so bad in there, bro. And then you like you said, you be wondering, you don't want to take that information because that's showing a vulnerability. And in prison, you don't want to show a vulnerability. Like you weak, you can't handle certain situations because you know you come around and start talking about your girls to the wrong anybody. That nigga tell on something. The nigga you was hot and you ain't even told on a nigga. But you getting judged off of your conduct and how you carry yourself and how you handle certain situations. But that don't mean you a man just because you like, uh, I know how to take this situation head on, and I ain't got no feelings, and I'm a man.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:52

Yo, but look, the this the just just think about it. Like when you uh like because I I went through it, and then I mean I'm glad I got through it, but going through it, that attachment to a woman and being separated from a woman, you know what I'm saying? That it must your brain, you every you just thinking about it all day. Your heart is just like is just like is it just you get this funny heartbeat. You thinking all the time, you think you think about you know all types of stuff going through your mind about she living the best life with this person. And that don't even be reality all the time. No, it don't. It can always be always be reality. It could be possible, but it doesn't isn't always reality. But we trick ourselves to think that they having the best time of their life.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:36

And that's why, now that's why you got to have the counterparts that you converse with that that that that is can can think and been through shit that you've been through and and can see that the way you see it. Then when you go to some motherfucker, oh yeah, she, you know what I mean, she loves that bull. And you think that for real like now it's pretty more of a turmoil. And you got niggas that do that. Misery loves company, bro. You go around some niggas. I'm like, why you think she with him? Boy, you think it did no? That don't mean that. Just because a woman, a woman will be with you for 30 years and up and leave you the next day like she ain't just met you. You know what I'm saying? Off of a plot to make somebody women got that's why they say they ain't no fury, like a woman scorn, man. That that women, I mean, they they cold, bro. Ice chips where my heart used to be. Yeah, they cold, bro. They play a cold, vicious game, but that don't mean that they is loving her. You see a chick with a nigga, man, she is not happy, bro. And just because she left and went and did that and did this and that, no, that don't mean that no.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:36

I take something. I'll say that with a grain of salt, though. I look at it like, you know what I'm saying? It is a possibility that they are happy. So you want, I mean, you, and then if you if you love them, you want them to be happy. Right. You want you probably like, all right, school, we we ain't work, so I want you to be happy. But just the aspect of getting through that pain, that that whatever, that month, two months, sometimes it might take people a year. You know what I'm saying? I kind of got through it, but for me, it was it was it was tough. It's probably the hardest thing I I would say. It's probably one of the toughest things I had to deal with in my life for that period of time. But I got through it. But they see you got but the thing about it is you gotta do stuff every day to get you through it. You can't just sit in the house or sit there. But you said you in the cell. If you you in jail, you in the cell. You got you gotta you have no choice to sit there. And then you're around men, you have no comfort from you can't go out here and get another woman. You can't even even possibly even have a conversation with another woman. So you end up trying to call her and figure out what's going on with her from jail, and then she might end up breaking up with the guy and actually taking you back, talking to you on the phone while you in jail. But on the streets, it's a little bit more easier. So, man, but just having to deal with that, yo, the breakup, man, is you you you lose weight, you can't eat, you can't sleep. You know what I'm saying? That don't get that don't get get bad, but and women go through it too. You know what I'm saying? But I think it's harder for men though, I ain't gonna lie. We we No, I ain't gonna say it's hard, it's hard probably harder for women. It's just that like men, we no, men, men, we can't take that. We uh it it it it it then they kill you to get through that. Once you get through it though, you be strong, man. You be like, you know, you still might think about it a little bit, but you but you be strong, you look at it, all right, what it is, what it is. Especially if you can find another good uh uh spy another good woman.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:21

But if you can't let me ask you this a good woman left right you. I'm not I'm asking you, I'm not saying this is happening saying a good woman had this scenario, a good woman had left you. Do you still wish her happiness in life? Yeah, yeah, not me. Why not? Nah. You wanted to be happy, man. Fuck that. Nah. Nope. What you wanted to do? You ever gonna lose your house? Your car break down. What are you talking about, man? Come on, now the trumpy you getting down a small Low Duty, man. He what? Um, yeah. I hope you ain't got no soap to wash up with in the morning. Yeah, I don't want you to die or nothing like that, but I want you to feel some discomfort. No, I ain't like that. Yes. Yes, yes. Kids need pampers, you can't get them. Yeah, yup. Mm-hmm. You remember when I was there? Yeah. Yup. You left me, yeah. I'm I'm petty. Because I'm I love. I love too hard, and I'm not saying I'm right. That's just me. That don't mean it's right, because I seen it, y'all. I'm not saying this is a fact. No, that that's petty. Um call me the bull petty A. He wants you, oh boob, but you left me. I want you to be happy in flowers and no, I want you living in a shack. I want your nigga thing to be small. I want him to leave. Yeah, all that. All that. I heard. I heard you're Petty Murphy, huh? You petty Murphy in his jaw, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:47

Yeah, no, because you look, you gotta want people to be happy, man. You gotta be happy, bro. Petty LaBelle. Oh man, said he done. The phone's house bringing already. We ain't even, we ain't even we didn't even say nothing about the calls yet. Give us a minute to get to that. So, but the thing about it is this though, like uh um you said she what you wanted the house, the house to be be tore up, the baby can't get no papers, yeah, no electric, you want everything back.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:16

Yeah, I want you to get an STD. Yo, you're crazy, man. Yeah, man. You talking about say he burnt me. I don't see this, but this thing is the border health clean. Yeah, I mean, all that. Transmissions, the train he's slipping, all that. All that, man. All that. No food in the fridge. Yeah, that means oil leaking from the engine in the car. Yeah, no heat tonight. I don't want it every night, but yeah, yeah, some nights, yeah, cut that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:42

You got that right, yeah, yeah. After a while, like, I mean, after a while, like once you once you because I think once you get over that actually hurt that that that pain. Cause, you know, I was trying to make it make it work. I was trying to stop the, I was trying to stop a situation from happening, but I I I couldn't. So it it hit me hard because I didn't expect it. But once I got through it, I say, you know what, I want the best for that person. You know what I'm saying? Because I was like, you know what, I just thought about it, like, you know, like, you know, if they messed up, then everybody around them can be could be can be messed up too.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:14

Well, yeah, overall, I want, you know, I'm I'm a little joking around, but you know, at first, it'll be like, man, I hope something nothing good happened for her. At first, I'm gonna go ahead and at the time be like, nah, she, because I'm gonna get out of the anger stage and you know, moving on with my life and all that now. But I can say this though, you deal with them a little different. Yeah, you deal with them a whole lot.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:33

A lot of sometimes they start moving a little funny too, so you gotta deal with them a little different. You gotta really let them choose their weapons of war. And do you do you choose then whatever weapon? Listen, I'm gonna put all the weapons is right there. You wanna use whatever weapon you want to use. But when you want to, whatever you, whatever weapon you pick up, I'm gonna pick up the same weapon you pick up. You're not gonna pick up a a gun and I'm gonna pick up a dagger and uh a butter knife. Both gonna pick up guns. That's what you want to choose. But I don't want to do that, but I'm just I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:59

Turkey band set up a cancer just like black. Turkey band said, I hope she loses her wallet with IDR credit cards and anything that day. Yo, it happened. How long you gotta wait to get that job back? You gotta go shut down your bank cards, you gotta make some phone calls, cancel all your cards. You gotta go to the D of V. You gotta go down. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:20

Oh my God, man. Yo. Yeah, so uh Dash Kiddy, what you doing? You you you uh you uh you wishing uh fury on on the guy.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:31

Like I want him to be broke. Yeah, that's what she that's what she's wishing on. She wants in in times like that, that's what they want you to do. I saw something where something like that happened. But go ahead, what you gonna say? Yeah, but I'll be I'll be I will be extremely hurt. I will be extremely hurt. But again, I don't want nothing bad to happen to the woman or nothing like that, but I'll be hurt. I'll be hurt, I'll be crushed. But you you'll get over it though. Yeah, because we it's it's life.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:53

Once you get over it though, you just be a different person. Right, right. I understand that. I understand that. Because sometimes a part of healing, you're not healing by wanting bad for that person, because now you expect something bad to happen. But if you just say, you know what, wash my hands. Exactly. You wash my hands full on. And but you accept it better once you wash your hands. Yeah, once you wash your hands, you're gonna be able to get away. Once you've done with the situation and you're like, all right, cool. You get back to sleeping, get back, because you ain't getting no sleep. You get back to get some sleep, you get back to just living your life, and then you may be blessed with something that can replace that, replace them. You know, so I don't really whether to be in a bad situation, but listen, but why do why do women go get so men too, but because you you just said you want the bad thing to happen, but why is it that women come after you after once you leave them alone? They want to they come after you crazy financially, say things about you. Why is it that way? Dark skin beauty, what's going on? For the women that's in the chat. Why is it that when when when when a woman gets mad at a man, she goes for the juggler? She wants to tear the car up, she she wanted to flatten the tires, she wants you to be broke, she wants you to do all these things too. What's going on? Why is it that way? Why do they want you? Because a woman, I don't think they probably want you dead, but they do things to try to kill you.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:03

Yeah, take your money. That'll kill me. Make me broke, you might as well put a gun in my head. Ain't nothing cute about that, but walking around destitute, and that means penniless.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:14

Yo, that. So you but but you but you uh you say taking your money, that's it. So she can take anything. She can take one of them legs and anything.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:22

So all that. Oh, one of these nuts, one of these genitals, or give me all that. One of the genitals? Oh. I'm talking about the nuts. Oh, no. All that. Like, yeah. Don't take this money. Don't take this cash, man. Don't take this cash. Do not take this cash. You can lose an eye. I don't want to lose no eye, but I will before I lose that cash. If it was a choice between the cash or the zy, go ahead and get this eye off me. Nah, you take that cash, man. You're messing with my livelihood now. Yeah. You're messing with my my everyday living. I gotta pay bills. It ain't just for trips and sneakers and cars. No, that's not how you survive. You need for loose to survive. Eat, you know, pay your bills. Get the way you go on transportation. Even if you ain't got a vehicle, you got an Uber, you got a bus, so you need money for that. You know, uh or just your upstanding in society. If you ain't got no money, you might as well be dead. That's it. What? You mind as well be dead. They said you can't breathe with no money. You already know. I'm on a brink then. I'm on a brink then. I'm not I've woke up a couple mornings like this might be the one right here. But you know I push through, but yeah, you don't got no money, man. Dude, don't agree with me. Uh anybody that sit there and be like, I'd rather be just broke under a bridge and alive. Stay far away from me. You ain't trying to have to have a conversation with nobody about that. No. And whoever wants to have that conversation, they're not motivated. They're nothing. In my opinion. That don't mean it's right. That's just my opinion. Just leave me broke, I'm cool, those are free and I'm home. Man, look. Send me back to the man. Look, man, I ain't got to be. You gotta go to jail with it. Yeah, be broke. Man, listen, man, listen, man. If it gets too crunchy, you ain't go back to jail. I won't want to go back to jail, but I might do something that can send me back to jail.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:00

Yeah, so like like like um like we all wanted, he said that we human beings, bro. They know what hurts you the most. They're the closest to you, so they go after you. Or the other thing is they use your kids to get you. If you have kids, women that come at you with your kids. They affect the children, to affect you. You know what I mean? But you'd rather them take your kids away or take your money away, huh? Huh? Rather take, take away your kids or take your money. I mean, like you can't see your kids or take your money. Which one are you gonna keep?

SPEAKER_05 1:29:31

What do you mean take my kids? Take them in what format? Like take them and I can't never see them again. You can't see them for a while or take your cash. Or for a while, you could go ahead and take them kids, man. You can take them kids. You stay for a while, I'm gonna see them again.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:44

We'll see your son for five years, but she but either that or we're gonna take that cash.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:48

And leave me destitute? Yeah. Yeah, I don't want you to take my son for five years, man. Yeah. I don't want you to take my son for five years. Yeah, but you'd rather lose a little leg though. Yeah, that's a limb.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:00

You can have that. I can go buy me another one. I can't buy me another son. How difficult is it? Like you, like you might, some some dudes, I seen some guys that fight for their kids, their sons and their daughters, and they get and the kids grow up and then don't even deal with you. I done seen people go to jail for their kids, man. Uh-uh, yeah? Yeah, man. Like they go to jail and get up, end up doing like some serious time behind their kids for their kids, and then the kids grow up and don't even pan out to be what you want them to be. Kid grow up to be out of pocket. How do you like that's that's crazy though? You might you fight for your kids so much and they grow up to be out of pocket. That that's hurt. That hurt that hurt, man. Yeah. Yeah. That's hurt, man. That's hurtful, man. But you know, you gotta be real careful. But relationships, man, I don't want to make it conversation about relationship relationships, but relationships, whenever they separate from somebody, it hurt, man. It really do hurt. But you gotta just stay focused and focus on you and want the best for them at the same time. Not like you, one of you want them broke. Yeah. Especially if they're doing stuff to me, too. So you want it, so you want them to be hurt, so they gotta crawl back to you. Yes. Absolutely. So you take it back after she let them make? Nope.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:11

Nope. That's when I feel the most at the top of my peak. No. It's still no.

unknown 1:31:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:21

So you'll wear it back then. No, mm-mm.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:23

You went and let another John Joe and no. I agree. I agree. It's hard to, it's hard to take. You you never you're never gonna love them the same. They come back to you. You're not gonna, you're not, you're not. What's up, dot, man? What's going on? This boy Love Bug, man. He wants her broke and crying. Would you rather would you rather go to jail? What? She leave you alone. Do you want her to go to jail?

SPEAKER_05 1:31:46

No, I don't want nobody to go to jail. But child molesters and women beaters and stuff like that, but no.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:52

So I know you said something about dealing with heartbreak in jail and dealing with it on the street, right? But dealing with it, dealing with it in jail, right? Mm-hmm. How do you know that it do you do you sense that it's about to be some heartbreak? Like in jail?

SPEAKER_05 1:32:11

Before you find out the action, before you get hit with it, didn't you? In jail? Yeah. Yeah. You still it's telltale stuff. What's the first time? The first time. Um uh the first time is when them phone calls, because your first course of you doing time with a woman, that call gonna get answered all the time. The first time there's something going wrong when them phone calls stopped getting answered like that. Oh no, I was just like when I had my little uh little Nana, everybody, little Nana, you tell the story, and Nana used to be busting down them visiting room doors every day, every day, coming up to see if see if I got sent to my jail, went over there for my violation and all that. And then, you know, I'm calling all the time. I'm talking about she's bagging me. I've got a hundred messages and call me right now. I don't care how many minutes we got left, call me. Now these days, no call. Call, call four times in a row. I'm like, oh no, I just see my phone. My phone was in my bag. I was carrying all these bags down the street. That's the first time. When phone calls stopped getting answered, how they was getting answered. That right there is a telltale sign. Yep. Lies about the visit. She was coming up all the time and she, oh no, because I can't. All that, all that be to you, you'll see it easier in jail. Because there's only certain things you can do to keep me comfortable in here. Answer that phone, come up when you say you're coming up, little visits or pictures. Do any of them things slack off? Yeah. You good as good. She got that joint all the way to the hood. Yep.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:37

And do you just keep digging to get information? You just digging to get information, get digging to get information.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:42

Yeah, you get, yeah. You be a glutton for it. You want to know, you want to hear her say it. She could tell you I'm humping. And you be like, Well, did you suck his chumpy? You want to know everything. Like, you want to know everything now. Like, you want all the you want the snipes in your chest and stuff. Because you gotta make sure, like, like in your mind, you done tricked yourself, like, or she, or I'll be cool with her just humping him. Well, did you suck his chumpy? Well, one time. Did he put him in your butt? And then you done went through the whole protocol. So you sitting there laughing. You crazy as hell, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:17

Hey, what's wrong with it, man? You know, you heard what Black Darrow said. Black and Darrow said he had a uh, what he said he had? What? Black Darrow said he had a panic attack.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:26

He had a panic attack, man. He was a cell hyperventilating. Boy you think you would be being born again. This goofy.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:36

Yo, yo, yeah, it hurt, man. You can't take this man. Jail, man, let's just bore take, but no man. But I'd rather I'd rather deal with my my issues on the streets, man. I'm cool. I don't be in the cell hyper hyperfender. You call it myself.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:52

Yeah, it's bad. I know I know it's something up when you got the sign up. It's been over an hour and a half. This nigga, he ain't got no drugs. You ain't shitting an hour and a half. I keep knocking on the door. You like, and then I hear through the door. You could tell from a verse and a person's voice how they tone is like if you ask your mom something when you little, and she'd be like, What? You'd be like, Oh shit, I ain't gonna answer right now. Like, nothing, mom. I was just making sure you was up there. You be like, mom, look at your mom. Hey baby, what you want? And well, I can ask them because you could tell. Yeah, you could tell from the way uh like how a mood, how a mood is, you know what I'm saying? And so you're not gonna tell door. He's not gonna tell him, you go, yo. Yeah, this nigga been crying. This nigga got some shit on his mind. I heard, I felt that through the door. I know how to move with caution. Then you walk off. Yeah, sometimes you walk off where you might want to be newsy. What's up, man? Talk to me, man. I might be one of the ones that you usually talk to about things. Man, she told me she got a new nigga. Right. For real. But let's just make sure you know you got your homies that's on your side, homies in. But she got a new motherfucker. Let her go. They got new chicks out there. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna get it. My brother having a hunch girl with my cousin. You know my cousin got a bunch of girls. Oh, that shit be crazy. Don't go through it in prison, y'all. Yeah, don't go through it, y'all.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:07

So over the phone lines, y'all. Uh 215-316-4492. 215-316-4492. I think Wimby and them are gonna win this series too tonight. I mean, I'm sorry, not tonight. They're gonna win, they're gonna win this series. Game one is tonight, but the Wimby and the Spurs are gonna win this series, I'd say 4-2. Maybe I was gonna say 4-1, but I give the Knicks two games. I think Wimby's gonna be too much for them guys, man. I think that that that young core and all three-point shooters are gonna be gonna be too much. And they play defense. 2-1-5-3-1-6-4-4-9-2, 2-1-5-3-1-6-4-4-9-2. Call in, call in now. Yeah, man. I'd rather take my I'd rather take a deal with anything, man, on the st on the on the streets, man. You said sweep Justin? Who's who the Knicks or the Spurs? I like the Spurs too, man. Now, um, right now, the finals are going on in in jail right now. NBA Finals is here, yo.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:07

You said the NBA Finals is here? Yeah. Yeah. In jail right now. Everybody's getting their bowls ready. You know what I'm saying? All depends on what time it comes on, but sometimes, well, now how they doing, they locking you in, man. They usually the jail. The administration usually lets you stay out late night for the finals, that late night, that late night. Meaning you go in the cell and come back out, not on the rec yard. That's what you was talking about. Now, back in back in the day, that you'll have uh certain things going on, and this and that, this and that. Uh, they let you come back out and all this and that. It just be crazy, man. So so dudes come out, they let you out when the NBA Finals go on. Not no more like that though. It gotta be a real good guard, it's cool. No, it gotta come from the administration. The guard that no, they gotta come, they gotta come from a higher up. Like that don't be no guard call or none of y'all can come back out and watch the game. No, and they'll send a memorandum around to the unit.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:56

Tell us from the jails who we're speaking with. Tell us from the jails. They hung up. Yeah, man. So people was getting ready for the um baby finals, so but it gotta gotta be a uh a judgment from the higher ups, correct? Yeah. And they'll make a decision on when that one on who can you know. No, no, no, no, not who can, but they'll make a decision if they're gonna do it or do it not. Tell us when the jealous who you're speaking with.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:27

Going on, man, it's Alabama.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:29

This is who?

SPEAKER_03 1:38:31

Hey from Alabama.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:32

Shout out to Alabama, what's up, man? What's going on?

SPEAKER_03 1:38:35

What's going on, man? I know this it's a lot of Muslims in Philippe. Uh I know this sounds religious, so y'all try to get to beat, but what's the correlation with uh, you know, all the Muslims in Philly?

SPEAKER_06 1:38:49

I mean, just some places, you know, in some cities, a lot of inner cities, you know, um, you know, different communities grow uh as far as religious uh religion goes. And and in Philadelphia is just a place where you just see a lot of Muslims. Uh the dean is here. So, you know, I I don't know why, but it just it's just the way it is.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:07

Yeah, it's been like that all my life. I just always wonder why many Muslims in Philly more than anywhere else.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:14

I mean it's other places too, but yeah, but Philly is like one of the one one of the you know places that you would see uh, you know, a lot of Muslims for sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:22

Cool, cool. Appreciate it, man. That's all I want.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:25

No problem, man. Enjoy your night. Don't forget, check us out. Our sports page, T B I S C, the best in sports entertainment. Go over there and watch our content on TBISC, the sports. That's Tears and Time, Bears and Boy, Eyes and Ice Cream, Essence and Sam, Eagles, I'm ears and eagle. T B-I-S-C, the best in sports entertainment. Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna do we're gonna do a uh a live on the finals, man. I don't know. I don't know if we're gonna do it tonight, but we should do it, man. But I don't know what he got to do. He seemed like he got he got the uh he's a little antsy. Yeah, I'm definitely antsy. I gotta go get some motion for them. You know, your ladies.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:58

That and a bunch of other things.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:01

Yeah, y'all. 215-316-4492. 215-316-4492. We want to hear from y'all, man. Where's uh James LaFlames at, man? Oh, James LaFlames went in there today? I ain't see I ain't seen James LaFlames today, but I but I got his kids, he got his kids though. Oh, yeah, yeah, when you got your kids, you on lockdown. So yeah, y'all, man. We're gonna give you like a couple minutes to call in. If y'all want to call in, lines is open. 215-316-4492. There we go. Tell us from the jails who you speaking with. Who said Phillip? Where are you calling from?

SPEAKER_03 1:40:40

I'm calling from Michigan City, man, Indiana.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:43

Shout out to Michigan City. What's up, man?

SPEAKER_03 1:40:46

Man, congratulations. Oh, big uh 40, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:50

Oh man, appreciate that, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:52

What's up, black man? I was in the FBI. Your story is on point.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:57

I can't I can't hear you, man. You gotta turn something down to something you like breaking up or something.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:02

I said, What's up, black? I was in the FBI, man. You know, your story be on point.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:08

Thank you, man. I appreciate that, man. And I ain't gonna do nothing but keep bringing it at an alarming rate.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:14

Yes, sir, man. We want the guys to stay up out of there, man. You know?

SPEAKER_05 1:41:18

Yep. Sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:20

Y'all guys be safe up there, man. I'm gone.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:22

All right, man. You too, man. Thanks for the call in, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:24

Stay free.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:28

Yeah. He said, James on duty. What's going on with James, man? It says uh Kid Baller on deck, he said, can't call him, but I got a question. How would y'all deal with the dude Fleece Johnson in prison? Seems like uh dude did what he wanted to do to whoever.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:47

Fleece Johnson, first of all, is in the federal system and he's underneath the DC car. Um one thing about it, man, just because you're into them type of activities, right? The activities that Fleece Johnson is in with. What does he do? Uh Fleece Johnson is a uh he's a homosexual. And he talks about it. He got a real big podcast. Oh, talking about the board, no teeth, not on duty. Yeah. And uh, and one thing about the DC car, they they they don't disown theirs that that that conducts itself in that manner.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:17

Tell us the gells, who you speaking with.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:19

Uh Justin. I call him Legum.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:22

Legging slap was up, Justin, man. Where you calling from?

SPEAKER_01 1:42:24

I'm from the Bronx. I live in Charlotte, though.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:26

Shout out the Bronx, man. Shout out to Charlotte as well. What's going on? Um, I was just wanted to ask y'all.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:32

Why do y'all feel that it's not a larger Muslim-facing ownership in Philly? Like as far as the corner stores, communities, like the convenience stores, as y'all said it.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:45

I just think people probably just don't know how to know how to do it. I just or not aware, aware of uh, you know, the protocols as far as getting things started. I think that if we did, because in Philadelphia, man, a lot of times, you know, we look at you know, home care in Philadelphia. Home care hit, you know, it stride because in a lot of uh, you know, you know, Muslims and people, African Americans were jumping into home care because of it was it was like the thing to do. But sometimes people overlook stuff like like stores and you know gas stations and stuff like that because they don't really see success in there right away. So, but um, you know, I don't know, maybe just lack of lack of education, I won't say education as far as uh school, but education as far as far as how to start these type of businesses, I think that's what it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:26

Is it partly because you think there's systematic barriers for black people? No, I think that's getting a business loans and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:32

No, I mean it's probably a little bit of that too. I think that people are just not educated on the actual process. I think it if if it was something that was readily available for people to understand how to do it, I think people would do it for sure. Because it's not really difficult. It's not at all. Because so many grants you can get to start this stuff. It's like, you know, I mean, it's it it is don't take a million dollars to start a uh uh a bodega or or a poppy store, is what we call them. You know what I mean? So it's just a matter of just educating people about how to do it. I'm pretty sure people would do it if they knew how to do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:01

Black respect, man. Um I I I'll check in. I'm locked in with y'all every week. Uh I'll be sure to check in again.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:10

All right, appreciate you, man. Appreciate you, man. All right. Enjoy your night. Who you like? You like the Knicks or the uh or the uh or the Spurs?

SPEAKER_01 1:44:18

I'm in New York. But I I've never been a Knicks fan.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:22

Okay. So I'm assuming you're riding with the Knicks.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:26

Never, never.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:28

Alright, man. Enjoy your night, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:30

All right, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:32

Yeah. But yeah, what you were saying, Fleece Johnson. You said you would be a celly or something like that. What you saying? Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:38

I wasn't saying no. I said you would be a celly and make a good seller. That's what it said. You hear me correctly.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:45

What you were saying about we said fleece Johnson, people in DC cars. Oh, yeah, oh yeah. Well, um with Fleece Johnson, that's the that's the way, like, what was the question, anyway? He was saying he's right there. Can't call it, but I got a question. How would y'all deal with a dude? Oh, yeah, you wouldn't deal with like 066.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:02

We wouldn't deal with Fleece Johnson. That he over there with the DC car, unless he made a uh proposition to one of us individually or whatever, or as a whole, or whatever he did. But other than that, do gay dudes, man, be on gay dudes with gay dudes, man. Like you know, they might bat an eye at a man, and if you be like, oh, we from who you betting, then nigga be looking away. He think he's a woman. It don't be dudes just going around grabbing your ass and all shit like that. Nah.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:33

What's going on? Where you calling? Where you calling from, bro? I'm down north, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:37

Yeah, shout out to North Philly, man. What's up, man? What's going on?

SPEAKER_03 1:45:41

So listen, right? When Black was describing a situation when things getting crunchy, which is which is significant other while you locked up and she out there doing hug. I felt a bit of that. I've been in that situation before, right? And like you said, you want to know every detail, as crazy as it may sound. Yeah, it's crazy, bro. And I think, I think for me, I was on a phone asking, because like you said, she stopped like we had a routine. You know, when you call at the camera or specific time that you call, and like, damn, she answered, she ain't answer. You know, you burn you burning down the phone, keep calling back, calling back. And when she finally told me, heart dropped. Right? And only thing I could muster up was you still gonna come visit me on my day?

SPEAKER_05 1:46:41

Mm-hmm. That's it. That's all you can do.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:43

Like it's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:44

You accept anything in there, make you less of me.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:47

Right. You accept anything in there, man. Whereas over here, you you get a what? But but but I also was on the other side of that too, as far as like I'm home and I'm dealing with a chick, and her dude locked up. And I kind of felt bad, but I'm like, man, I gotta get my lip back. I'm like, yeah, I mean, so I'm here a little bit, man. I would tell her, I said, listen, that bull gonna kill you if he finds out the things that me and you doing. And this went on for like two years with her. Wow. I would literally be on the phone with her, and she on her way up to the prison. But it it was it's just one of them things. So I'm just saying, like, it's a vicious world out just drawing, you know what I mean? But you know, like y'all always say, that's why you gotta stay free.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:46

You gotta stay free.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:47

You know what I mean? But yeah, I just wanted to call in because I felt that, man. Man, woo. So it is a bad drawing.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:55

How many nights you you was uh sleepless, man?

SPEAKER_03 1:47:58

This was this was like this was like over 15 years ago, feet. I can't remember, man, but I know I went through it. But listen, this all I had to hang on to. This was a Neo draw Neo song Go On Girl. Whenever that song was out, Neo said, I'm too fly to be depressed. So I said, when I get out, I'm running with that. You know what I mean? When they crack the door, I'm too fly to be depressed. I'm gonna get out here and get mine back. For sure. But yeah, man, it was crazy. All right, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:32

But all right, y'all, that's why I wanted. Alright, enjoy your night, man. All right, y'all, y'all too. He said, uh, shout out to M4 Mansa for the donation, man. Appreciate that, man. We're gonna keep gonna keep doing our thing for sure. Yeah, man. It's just it's just crazy being being up in jail. I mean, I never experienced that, but it's just difficult, man, to do anything, I guess. When you you when you in a uh oppressive state. You know what I'm saying? And he said Fleec Johnson is from Kentucky. He's from Kentucky?

SPEAKER_05 1:49:01

He was with the DC car. I thought he was with the DC car.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:03

You was locked up with him before in the prison hall?

SPEAKER_05 1:49:05

Mm-hmm. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:07

Shout out to Joey Marlino, man. Shout out to Joey, man. We uh we're trying to make something happen. But yeah, you know, the thing the thing about it is this man, you know. Tell some of jealous, we speaking with. What's good? This big C from North Jersey. What's up, bro?

SPEAKER_03 1:49:23

Shout to North Jersey, what's going on? What's good, man? And my question earlier, I heard a guy talking about Muslims in uh Philly, right? Mm-hmm. But where I'm from, I got a question for y'all. Y'all both Muslim brothers. Well, from we got guys that gangbanging Muslims. How do y'all feel about that? Well I'm from I'm from New York, New Jersey, but how do y'all feel about that?

SPEAKER_06 1:49:44

Well, uh, gangbanging is not from you know the Muslim religion. So anything like gangbanging, nah, man. We Muslims are are non violent. So we're not we're not supposed to be violent and so forth and so on, but so anything that promotes any streets, codes, or ethnics. Is not from our religion. So we don't who are sometimes people are just Muslim and they they just you know may have the right beliefs, but just that their actions could be wrong sometimes. So I'm not here to judge them, but I just you know sometimes people just don't really may not understand. So you know you gotta accept those guys? Yeah, they they they they your brothers, man, you know. So but you all you all you can do is try to advise people. People are gonna do what they want to do regardless. But we just can't, I can't judge a person and say that a person is is is gonna be you know going to hell or not. People say you're going to hell for this. I don't know. I don't know. All I can do is still is is be is give advice because at some point in time we always doing some things we weren't supposed to be doing. So all we can do is advise one another. No doubt. From my opinion. All right, enjoy your night, man. Alright. Yeah, man. So take like another, we got like another minute, y'all, before we shut it down. But so we're waiting for calls to come through. So, you know, you know, you got we got like a minute minute or so to go before we start, you know, before we wrap it up. But I want to thank everybody who's been tuning in, everybody who's been rocking with us at Tells from the Gels, everybody that's been in the chat today, all the people that's members and subscribers. Uh, make sure y'all hit the like button before y'all get up out. We get up out of here, man. Because we appreciate we will appreciate that. Um, you know, um for you, anything you want to say before you go, y'all?

SPEAKER_05 1:51:16

Stay free. It's getting hot out here, y'all. Um, you know, sometimes, you know, the heat aggravate you a little bit, man. Think a little bit more, man. Enjoy your families, man. Work hard.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:28

Tell us from the jail. So we're speaking with.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:31

What's up? This cliff from the P.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:33

Shout out to the P. What's up, bro?

SPEAKER_03 1:51:35

Uh, nah, I was uh just piggybacking off of how y'all was talking about just being helpless up in there, right? Mm-hmm. I was uh I was broke one time, man. I had a guard tell me one time, say, uh, while you were in this jaw, he was like somebody like me telling your son when to go to bed. And uh it's terrible, bro. You know what I mean? And shut that door.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:59

Yeah, that's bad, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:52:01

That's bad, bro. Yeah, man. So you know, yeah, it's terrible, man. Hey, listen, don't know the little body like a man bending around your kids.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:09

What? That's that's probably the worst. But listen, right? My man was talking about uh somebody, about his woman, right? I don't know how cute this is. This is my pop, right? And I ain't never known him to uh he told me back in the day, he said he had a jaw that she had a life for old head in the jaw. And he said that up, you know, he was in there with her, and he said the boy called. And then she was like, he wanna talk to you. He's like, Well, talk to me. And he said he talked to the old head, and the old head was like, Listen, I'm in this jaw, I'm in here for life. Basically, he was like, I wanted to crack my wife.

SPEAKER_06 1:52:45

He said, What? That's like that's like the movie Ministers Ministers to Society. Excuse me.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:49

But no, he said he was he would crack the jaw, and basically he wanted like him to get he wanted the blow by blow, no not on duty play on how he was cracking his wife. That's how he got himself a host.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:01

Oh man.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:03

I mean, I don't know. Black said people go for anything. I don't know. It's not like Puff's daddy in the jail, though.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:09

Yeah. I mean, he ain't never coming home though. Yeah, but he he he's doing what Puff was doing out here on the streets. Puff wanted people from understanding, he wanted people to to go at his situation and he wanted to watch and hear and watch every detail.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:22

So you guys have a good night, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:25

Y'all be dipping me through my shifts, man. All right, man, no problem, man. You do the same, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:30

All right, black, yo, black, yo. We never believe that. We never believe that, man. We always believed in you, black.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:35

You better say it.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:37

All right, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:40

Tell us from the jails. Tell us from the jails.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:47

Yo, black yo, whenever I watch y'all doing, you know, keep me out of trouble.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:57

Sure, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:58

You know?

SPEAKER_06 1:53:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:00

Some bulls be trying to pull me into it, but when I see y'all, I I get right outside of it.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:07

You gotta stay strong, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:08

You gotta like to I see how my life could end up one day, and so I'll keep going.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:14

How how old is you, youngin'?

SPEAKER_02 1:54:16

I'm fifteen.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:17

Fifteen, man. You had a great age. You had a great age of learning and a great age of being to become the person that you gotta be in life. And by doing so, one step is to be your own man. Do not be a follower. Do not follow him, her, Jane, do what you need to do to prosper in society, man. You don't need to be a little, you don't need no click of niggas, no clicker women, and none of that. Get you right, man. You 15, you got your whole life ahead of you. Then the first thing is first, do not, please, I beg of you, do not follow behind nobody else, man. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 1:54:52

And no, we're breaking no law, man. Ain't nothing wrong with being a square, man. You know what I mean? Nothing wrong with being a square. And when I say be a square, I mean ain't nothing wrong with uh going to school with hitting them books and you know, staying out of trouble, man. And listen, listen to your parents for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:06

Yeah. All right. You know, because some because sometimes, you know, boys hopping in a Johnny, trying to sell cars, trying to rob a poppy store.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:22

Yeah, man. Thank I'm telling you, man. I done did let young boy, I did the time for you, man. Learn from my mistakes. Man, trust me, I got a lot of friends that's still locked up from robbing that poppy store. And that was over 25, 30 years ago, because could it could turn into a a robbery homicide now? Ain't nothing like going to job, man, starting your own business, man, getting your education, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:46

I just I just lost my man to the street.

SPEAKER_06 1:55:49

Sorry to hear that, man. How old was he? How old was he?

SPEAKER_02 1:55:52

He was 16.

SPEAKER_06 1:55:53

What happened? He went to jail, he got killed. What happened?

SPEAKER_02 1:55:56

He got um he got killed.

SPEAKER_06 1:55:58

Damn, sorry to hear that, man. So I had so so that that's an example for you, for you to want to do better. So make sure you use that as fuel to do the right thing because you don't want to be uh dead or in jail, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:09

Yeah, after um saying what happened to happen what um happened to him. I changed my life around and uh I'm trying to get a job because you know, it's Bobby's summer and everything about getting a job and stuff.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:24

That's what's up, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:29

Alright, I don't want to hold y'all up too long.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:32

No, what's what's your name? What's your name?

SPEAKER_02 1:56:34

Hockey Raw.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:35

Hockey Raw? Okay, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:37

Yeah. All right.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:38

Be good.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:39

Have a good night. You too.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:42

That's what's up.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:42

All right.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:43

That's what's up. We got a young guy calling that 15 years old. I think I spoke to him before. They go to Gratz with my with my nephews, I believe. But yeah, yeah, we're about to get up out of here, man. About to uh get it uh get everything done for the night, man. Don't forget, you know, uh check us out on TBIC the sports page, man. Check us out, follow us on Instagram as well. Um, you know, we'll be here tomorrow. You know, we'll we'll be here every day. We be back in full, you know, full force. You know, don't forget to hit that like button. In honor all the way in tech. All right, last call, last call. Tell us the gels. Line's been jumping today.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:14

Tell us the gels, we're speaking with yo, this is Ant from Southwest.

SPEAKER_06 1:57:19

Shout to Southwest. What's up, Ant? What's going on?

SPEAKER_03 1:57:22

Sure, man. What's right? What's up with the cooking episode?

SPEAKER_05 1:57:25

Oh man, we're going, we we we got some we got a whole lot of stuff, man, that we got to start putting down, but uh that's coming soon. That's coming soon, man. I mean, to show these dudes, man, what we ate in there, man, how we made it five-course meal. I mean, a five-star meal for us that may be a zero meal for the person that's out here in society. But I'm gonna show them what they gotta eat if they got to go up there and what would the best dish be.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:50

Right. Yeah, I'm tuned in. I'm waiting on that, John.

SPEAKER_05 1:57:53

All right, man. I got you, bro. Man, thanks for the call in, bro. Be safe out there.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:56

All right, thanks.

SPEAKER_06 1:57:57

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