ABDUL KARIM: ADRESSES TESTIFYING AGAINST HIS SON KSOO JUDGE GAVE HIS SON A LIFE SENTENCE

Abdul Karim the father of KSOO an up and coming rapper out of Jacksonville Florida talks about what lead him to testifying against his son (KSOO). This interview takes the audience deep into the incident which lead to a life sentence for his son (KSOO). This interview uncovers false accusations and untruths about this high profile case. Don’t miss this exclusive interview.

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SPEAKER_04 1:31

Welcome everybody to another episode of Tells from the Jails. We're here live in Florida. You already know uh Tells from the Jails is sponsored by TNS Media Group, uh Params USA, uh state out of Philadelphia. But we're here uh down in uh in Florida with my counterpart, Mr. Braheem Jackson. We sitting with our guy Blue, uh, you know, also known as uh Keso's father. Um thank you for coming on the show today, man. How you feeling, Mr. Jackson? How are you feeling today? I'm good, man. Good.

SPEAKER_06 1:58

I'm good, man. You know, glad y'all came, you know, hear my side of the story.

SPEAKER_05 2:02

Man, I'm trying to hear what you got to say, man. All that you're talking about, man, you got to try to tell me something that I don't already know or make me understand something that I think that I understand that don't really know. I need you to help me out. And in to today's episode, we're gonna get into all that. So a whole lot of people want to know what's going on. Why, the why, the why. But then again, why is it even a why? If you really, you mean we're talking some street code and you know, street ethic and us going out doing things for real for I ask myself, why is it a why? Is it a why? But then again, you gotta be like, damn, why? Why did that happen? So we're gonna find out about that today. Yes, quick.

SPEAKER_04 2:43

So so basically, you know, everybody's familiar with the case. Uh based off queso, uh, you know, his father, uh Blue, was with they were y'all was on trial together, right? And so let's start, let's start there. So um, you know, you're from Florida, uh, correct? Correct. All right, so uh your case is a high profile case you know with yourself and uh how many of your sons was on a case with y'all? Two of them. Okay, so it was two of you, two of y'all on the case, and y'all were fighting what how many homicides was it? One, two?

SPEAKER_06 3:12

One, it was two homicides. Three really.

SPEAKER_04 3:16

And these, well, three homicides, you said three really. So what was your son's case most recently, the one that he ended up losing, was two homicides?

SPEAKER_06 3:28

No, it was one for another rapper guy out of Jacksonville named Lil Buck. Then it was another one for um a little young boy named Bibby out of six block. Then it was another one, um, an innocent or white guy got caught in the crossfire of them trying to hit somebody else from six block.

SPEAKER_04 3:53

Now, um, are these like, when we say six block and the place where your son is from, these like close and proximity, or is it like, you know, a distance or just um like some rap stuff? How did this whole beef come about between them?

SPEAKER_06 4:06

It all started, it started rap, you know. And um six block is over there what Fullio and them represent. And ATK is what my son them represent. And the beef goes so far back before I was even abreast on the beef. I learned about everything. When I got pulled up to speed on everything, is when the car got shot up, and my other son he got killed. One of my sons got hit, shot in the head three times. I got shot in the back. My nephew got paralyzed. Everybody in the car got hit multiple times besides me. I only got hit one time. I was the driver. We was leaving doing a concert. That's when I really got pulled up on the speed of what was really going on because it was really keeping me in the dark. Because, you know, the first thing that I really want, you know, people to understand is I never trained my sons. I never sunk them on no hit, no drill. I never even gave my sons dope to sell. You know, I just took care of them, you know, kept a nice, safe, comfortable place for them to stay. That's a whole big misconcept. Because everybody thinks, because I had a street rep, that I trained them for this. That's not true.

SPEAKER_05 5:31

But kids is like sponges though, blue. You don't think they seen that and looked at that like, damn, that's solidified. Come on now, you old.

SPEAKER_06 5:40

I don't think they looked at it because they didn't see it.

SPEAKER_05 5:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 5:44

For number one, I did 11 years in prison. I did 10 years, nine months. That's 11 years to me. And when I went to prison, my son, one was six, one was five, queso was one. And they never really seen me in the streets, but I would, you know, I wasn't there for them to see my story. They was told my story by other people in the streets. Instead of telling them a different thing about their daddy, they told him, hey, your daddy was blase this, squazy that. So that's what they probably felt like they had to live up to. Then you got queso, he got another half, other side of his family with his grandfather and them, you know, legendary for the streets too. So he had it on both ends, you know, up in the coming up. I went to prison and I got out. When I got out, queso was probably 12, going on 13. He was already in trouble, you know, with the law, doing little petty little crimes and stuff like that. I was awarded custody of him and he was like 12 years old. And he lived it with me then. What a lot of people don't know is me and Queso, I literally, Queso has been good at trolling on the internet. And I literally fought with him physically, mentally, everything to try to keep him from that life. I always tried to steer my churn in the right direction. I came home from prison, got a paint shop. I built a truck from scratch to clean recycling bins and garbage cans. Nobody was doing it in Florida, in Jacksonville. And I built that for them. The only thing that happened, two things that happened. I tried to catch up for lost time. That's impossible. I learned that the hard way. The second thing was when I came home, those boys were already who they were gonna be, and I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_05 7:58

Would you say they was following the footsteps of you though? Would you say when you came home and seen the direction, the minute they was gonna be, did it look like a reflection of what you was when you was prior out there?

SPEAKER_06 8:10

Yeah, it did. It did, you know, and and I I accept my responsibility in that, you know, because but I also felt like I dug the ditch already. Y'all shouldn't have to dig it. You know, and I accept my responsibilities in leaving them because I was young when I left them. You know, I was just making a I was just making kids. That's why a lot of people didn't understand the difference it made now with my nine-year-old, my six-year-old, and my seven-year-old, because I grew to get a better understanding of parenting. And that's why I had to make a decision. Save who I can save, and that's period. You know, it ain't really no in-between in that.

SPEAKER_05 8:59

So when you say make a decision, not to cut you off, but I gotta get to the meat of it. Was it a decision to save your ass? Or was it a decision to see them come out better? Because I'm thinking it's to save your ass, cuz.

SPEAKER_06 9:11

No, I ain't let me tell you something, bro. Right. When we caught this, when we caught that case, and this ain't no cap, I don't do no cabin and I don't do no lying.

SPEAKER_05 9:24

Exactly, especially on this joint right here, we don't do none of that.

SPEAKER_06 9:27

Because I'm not in denial of what happened.

SPEAKER_05 9:30

Right.

SPEAKER_06 9:31

And the way I was raised, any decision you make, you stand on it. Whether you like it, they don't like it, it's what I made. So I'm gonna stand on my decision, what I made. But it wasn't to save me because I'm gonna tell you, I was willing to sacrifice my whole life for this situation. Because I told my lawyer, I said, go in there and tell them that was me. Because when I got jammed up, I was I was slimmer. And I say, you go in there and tell him that was me. Like that. He said, Why would you do that? I say, well, you know, them my sons. And I'll do anything for him. And boom. So I guess he had a conversation with him, and it really, the situation, I got took out of the equation through cell phone data, DNA, and different things of that nature. So it wasn't gonna work for me trying to make a sacrifice for them. I wasn't thinking about me, pro se. I had to worry about everybody, bro. I had to worry about K, so I had to worry about Crazy K, and I had to worry about them three babies I had out there.

SPEAKER_04 10:54

Let me ask you a question, because I like I want to go back because I want to just kind of give everybody the, like you said, you spoke about y'all was in the car and you got and the gunman came up and shot y'all. Now, you know, you you can speak about what you want to speak about, leave out what you want to leave out. Did you did you do you know who the people was that shot y'all when y'all was in the car?

SPEAKER_06 11:12

Not at that time. We had an ideal. But eventually we found out who it was, and it wasn't who we thought it was. And that's how it really went to the whole situation. Went to go in a different direction. That's where the the other murder came from, the the white guy on the bicycle, because they was trying to hit a dude that was down with six blocks that we thought had something to do with it. And he did, he didn't. He didn't have nothing to do with it.

SPEAKER_04 11:50

And so y'all y'all didn't even see the gummy when he when he ambushed the car.

SPEAKER_06 11:54

Nope. They rolled up on the side of us. We was leaving, um my son got killed. He was performing, I think the club was called Paradise or something like that. And he was performing at that club, and we left. And I did all the right things, but we got off the expressway to drop somebody off. And that's how I guess the guys in the two cars catch up, caught up with us. And they pulled up on the side of us, and they got off, you know.

SPEAKER_04 12:27

Describe the uh the uh the actual um the scenario, just it gives the audience a uh a vivid uh picture of like you know what happened, like you know, from like what it from what you can remember being inside the car, the shooting happening and we left the club, I bust a U-turn, it's on Bay Metals Road, I run the red light, jump on the expressway 95, going 95 north.

SPEAKER_06 12:56

We ride, I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm on the gas, you know, because I'm watching for anybody, you know. Always watch my back, and I'm watching for anybody. We end up getting off on Emerson. We got off on Emerson, we stopped at a red light, kind of lost track of paying attention. We pull off Emerson, go around by this, it's another strip club called Wackos. We pass that strip club, and that's when they pull up on the side of us. Boom, I hear the shots fire off. I'm like, damn, somebody shooting, boom, woman's busting out the car. So I'm I'm I'm driving and I'm I'm like hit hitting a car as they shooting, I'm boom, I'm bumping into their shit. It's another car though behind us shooting. One on the side, one behind us. So I'm bumping, boom. So I'm trying to drive and I'm trying to look, and I look and at my son in the passenger seat with me, and I see, I kind of see when he jerk up. I knew he's shot. But then he kind of falls down on his knees in the in the in the in the driver in the passenger seat. So I'm studying driving. And it's it's like they still shooting, like they still shooting. I'm studying driving though, boom, but I'm looking at him. I'm doing a lot of things that I ain't realized the health I was doing. I'm driving, driving, and boom, they still are shooting. Then they eventually they they stopped shooting. So we driving and I'm riding now, I'm trying to figure out where to get to the hospital because all the wounds blowed out of the car. Everybody in the car shot. I feel when I get shot, when I'm driving, boom, I get shot in the back, it kind of throws me to the side. But I'm like, F it. You know, I gotta keep going, I gotta keep going. I gotta because I felt responsible for everybody in the car at that time. So I hear my son in the passenger seat, I hear him, I hear him guggling, you know, like so.

SPEAKER_04 14:56

I'm kind of hip tip was going on.

SPEAKER_06 14:59

Yeah, you know. So as I'm driving, I reach over there and I grab his hand, I hold his hand, and I let him know, like, I'm here. I'm here, just hold on, hold on. So I get off and I go to the hospital, I met I drive all the way to the hospital, I pull up to the hospital, and the car shot up so bad, everybody who works at the hospital, they like in the state of shock. So I jump out, I jump out, I I ask my nephew, I say, I say, you hit? He said, Yeah. He said, I can't feel my legs, um. And he never get, he ain't, he never been in trouble. He never, I can't even tell you a fight he been in, man. You know, and it hurt me so bad that, you know, he paralyzed and his life done paused like this here. So I get out, I run around, I run in the hospital, I get a stretcher. I get one of the dudes out, I pick one of the dudes up. This crazy dude named Moody, Muslim brother, too. We're gonna talk about him later. I pick him up, I put him on a stretcher. Boom, roll him in. I go get another stretcher. I pick red dot up, another Muslim. We're gonna talk about him later, too. Pick him up, put him in there. I grab my son, put him in there, put him on a stretcher. I put everybody in the car, I put them on a stretcher. The nurses, the doctors, everybody, and like, what the world going on? Like, they ain't never seen because we we out, we not at the the hood, basically. Yeah, the hood.

SPEAKER_04 16:33

Where all the trauma and stuff comes through.

SPEAKER_06 16:35

Right, we not there. So boom. I grabbed my other son, I grabbed him by the head, and I said, Where you hear that? He started talking, so when I grabbed him, I take my hand from his head. It's like I see brain mouth, all kinds of shit in my hand. So I'm like, oh no. So by then, one of my homeboys pulled up, who I had him call. He pulled up. I said, I'm going to get a stretcher, don't let him go to sleep. Man, my homeboy darn them beat him to death. He might, he might have beat him to death. He's slapping him, trying to keep him from waking up, you know. So I'm like, and he shot and he hit in the head. So I get him on the stretcher, push him in. They done took everybody else out in the back. So they tell me, like, you shot in the back too. I'm like, man, don't worry about me. You know, just get them. Get them. So the police like, man, you're gonna have to go in the hospital, we're gonna put you in the, we're gonna have to put you in the police car. So my homeboy looked at my back and like, he like, I could tell him he like, dang. So I almost started panicking when he was like, dang, because that's when it set in on me that I'm shot. So I ended up going in the hospital, and they didn't, they didn't take the bullet out of me or nothing like that. They said it was inside the muscle or something like that. But everybody in there, you know, fighting for their life. One dude shot like nine times. One dude shot like 12 times. They don't, he shot so many times, they don't even find bullet holes on him until the next day or so. My son got killed, he got shot through the back and it went through his heart. My nephew got shot like seven times, all in his kidneys and everything, man. Like it was it was it was it was bad, you know.

SPEAKER_05 18:30

And you said queso took a shot that day too, right?

SPEAKER_06 18:33

No, queso wasn't there.

SPEAKER_05 18:34

Oh, he wasn't there that day.

SPEAKER_06 18:35

No, queso wasn't there. Okay. He wasn't there. My other son, I had two sons there. And um, my son named after me, and my other son. So they let me out the hospital that I left the hospital that night. My son died that night. My other son, he went on a coma. The rest of them, they kind of put them in a coma. And that's when I got pulled up on the speed of what these boys really had going on. I don't really get pulled up in the loop until the 19th, 2019, January 15th. Prior to it that day, we just had my daddy Janaz's funeral. Say it for the people who know, that day before that happened, we just had his funeral that day, and then that happened that night.

SPEAKER_04 19:40

Wow. So after this incident, after this shooting, you know, we uh you lost your son and your nephew was paralyzed. Um, and you said now this is where you started to get, you know, brought up to speed to as to what's going on. How was uh Queso's mentality after after the shooting happened? What was he how what was he like?

SPEAKER_06 20:01

Well, queso, man, you know, I know every one of my kids' characteristics. Queso kind of like he's an emotional list person. Like he's not gonna show nothing, he's not gonna get loud, he's not gonna, you you just can't tell with him. Because he's not gonna say, he's not gonna, I'm this, I'm that, you know, like he's not gonna do that. He do that on the internet, but he ain't gonna do that in front of me, you know. And I knew he was, I knew he was, you know, I knew he was furious about it because of Crazy K. Because him and Crazy K was they were real tight. And I knew he was real mad about it for his dad, but he never expressed to me that I'm finna rock out, I'm finna crash out, I'm never none of that, you know. I gonna say, and I can only say one time that I think he ever made a statement for his crashing out. Guys, they they went to his mama's house and they shot his mama's house up. They knocked on her door and she answered the door, and they they almost shot her. And basically he didn't really make a loud fuss about that, but I knew, you know, I could look at him and tell that he was finna crash out from that situation. But he's most he he's not gonna show no emotions.

SPEAKER_04 21:37

So uh so eventually you see like he crashed, yeah, he did, you know, uh, per se, go into doing these these things, wherever they they well, whatever the case may be. He he your mom's house gets shot up, your mom in there, you know, automatically, you know, anybody's gonna have some, you know, no matter who you are, unless you're really a coward, you're not gonna, you know, wanna get no get back for sure. Um but ultimately one of these situations led to you being Involved into what was going on as far as you y'all being being arrested. How did that come about as far as you being picked up or you know, or the case that you were charged with your son?

SPEAKER_06 22:13

What happened was my son, crazy, he called me and told me that Scotty needed a ride. And so happened, I was I wasn't that far from Scotty, but he didn't call me in no urgency. He didn't call me in no, look, man, it's hot. He didn't give me no indication. He just said he need a ride. So I went all the way across town and I went all the way back. They sent me the pin drop location to where Scotty was at. I went to pick Scotty. I went and picked Scotty up and I pulled up to the to the house where Scotty then was at. And I called Scotty a few times. I was like, hey man, I'm out here, what's up? So they were like, okay, we're coming. Simple, just like that, we coming. He first he said he coming. So boom. I'm sitting there. I sat there for about 10, 15 minutes. Mind you, no police around. No nothing. It's regular looking, regular day.

SPEAKER_05 23:33

Hold on, let me cut you off real fast, Blue. We can make this story get real intricate. I want to know, probably the audience too, before you, I want you to hold that thought right there because I want you to continue. Did you know about them doing any other? Like besides them not making a fuss over why they need you to pick them up that day, did you know they was out here in the streets involved? That day or just period? Just period.

SPEAKER_06 23:55

Yeah, I definitely, I definitely know they not angels.

SPEAKER_05 23:58

Or did you try to reprimand them behind that? Like, yo, man, I ain't supposed to be out here and this and that, or you just was like, all right, y'all, you mean?

SPEAKER_06 24:06

I I reprimanded them all the time.

SPEAKER_05 24:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 24:09

More than even when Queso signed the deal, I sat him down and I say, You done made it. I say, you need the dumb junk, go. You finna blow past these dudes and get this money. Oh, Daddy, you oh, you don't understand, blah zquasi. I said, man, I understand more than what you think I understand. Then one time we was in Atlanta, this when reality really hit me. I say, I sat down with him, I said, Look, man, I said, look, we up here making, you up here making music, you finna start making money, all that crazy stuff. You need it, you know. He was like, hey daddy, I know what I signed up for. But when he said that, it was a different look because he looked me dead in my eyes, like, I know what I signed up for. You know, and Queso got so caught up in it until he built his career off of it, and he was just stuck with it.

SPEAKER_04 25:26

So let's go back to like we could, like, our stuff. You said you was outside waiting in the car, you know, waiting 10-15 minutes, and then yeah, so I'm I pulled up in the yard and I'm I'm waiting.

SPEAKER_06 25:37

So I'm thinking, in my mind, well, he he overlooked female house and parents done came home, and you know, something like that, of that nature, because I know they're not gonna call me doing no drill after no drill. I know they ain't gonna call me. Reason being, I know they ain't gonna call me. I'm thinking they won't call me is because if they do get into something, they gonna look, they're gonna need me. So they ain't gonna, they're gonna protect me from situations like this. But anyway, I'm waiting. So I call Scotty again. Hey man, what's up, man? What's going on? So he said, all right, we finna come out now. That's when he says we. So I'm like, so they come out, it's two of them. But when they come out, they got on pajamas. So I'm like, yeah, they done got jammed up in the little chick house or something, you know. So they get in the car, and uh, we back out regular. They don't get jump in the car, tell me, go, go, go, go, go. You know what I'm saying? They just jump in, they get in, we pull off regular, we pull off, we hit the expressway. That's when Scotty goes to telling me what happened. And that they had, first he tell me the dude Lil Buck got hit. So Lil Buck done got shot before, in all the same situation, but he lived. So that's when he goes to tell me, he said, Lil Buck got hit. That's when I'm like, in my mind, I'm like, damn. Then he tell me, once when he tells me, I panic more when he tells me that they had the the old white lady in the house that I just picked them up from. I that made me panic more than the little buck situation.

SPEAKER_04 27:32

What you mean? They said they had a had a uh she know she knew what was going on.

SPEAKER_06 27:36

No, what happened was when the situation happened with Lil Buck, the police was in the plaza. The police seen a male standing over a male shooting him. The male jump back in the car, the police get right on when the situation is hot, the police jump on them, chase them. They crash around the corner somewhere and they jump out, they run. Scotty and Butter see a back door open to a house, they run in the house. It's an old white lady's house. The old white lady say that she noticed her room door was closed and she never had it closed. She said she opened the door, it was two guys standing in the house in there, and it was Scotty and Butter. She, I mean, she identified one of them. So that's how the old lady ended up being held hostage, kidnapped. Because she tried to go out the house, they got in a tussle with her, and they hold her in the house, they made her lay down on the couch, they took her cell phone, some things of that nature there. And that part with the old white lady scared me more than anything because I know, like, oh man, these people ain't gonna play about this, about this lady.

SPEAKER_04 29:04

No.

SPEAKER_06 29:05

So what happened was they felt like the lady wasn't, they got in a fight with the lady, number one. She kicked one of them in the balls, but they felt like the lady wasn't paying attention. But the lady picked, the lady seen a tattoo. She described butter tattooed, and you know, when you get locked up, they write all your tattoos down. And they made a photo spread of some guys, I guess with the same tattoo. She picked Butter out of the lineup. Butter get arrested that same day the situation happened. I take Scott and them, and you know, everybody say that I had an opportunity to put them out, to put them out the car right then, but I don't think nobody would have thought like that. You know, everybody can say what they would have done outside of the situation. They say I should have put them out right then, pulled over at the end, put them out and all this old stuff here. But I was thinking in my mind, I didn't express it like I gotta get these niggas out of my car. Because mind you, I'm in my car. Registers in my name. And so we go take them over there and we switch cars. We switch cars, boom, then I take them out to my house. Because I stayed for a hour, it was safe, you know. I take them out there. Then boom, I leave. They give me the clothes they had on. I take the clothes and I go, it's a little spot over there in the hood, you know, where people stand around the fire barrels and stuff like that. I go up there, like ain't nothing, drop the clothes in the fire barrel. You know, and I can't say that I would have wanted them to get caught.

SPEAKER_05 31:12

Evidently you didn't if you're burning clothes. Right. You ain't want them to get caught at all.

SPEAKER_06 31:16

No, I didn't want them to get caught. And because I I can't say that I hated the dude Buck that like that because he Buck made a song. Buck died by the song. Buck had nothing to do with the incident, what happened, like everyone's saying. Everyone is saying that Queso was spinning for me because I got shot. Queso was spinning for his other brother. Buck had nothing to do with that. Buck made a diss song talking about my son who got killed. But at the same time, Buck making these kind of songs in Jacksonville, you know these kind of songs get you killed. But Buck's over there at a temporary service filling out an application for a job. He was playing. You know, and people saying that I raised them this way, I did this this way, but I look at it like this. What did the doctor raise the his son when he went and shot up a whole school? Once those kids not in your around you, they they you're not gonna know what they're doing. You can't control these boys out here now.

SPEAKER_05 32:33

I agree, I agree, I agree with all that.

SPEAKER_04 32:36

I agree with all that wholeheartedly. Exactly. Sometimes the kids, you know, they you know, they just get older and want to make their own decisions. And and sometimes just unfortunate these situations happen, you know. But I want to I wanna go into now, like, all right, so this situation happened, and when did you know that when did y'all know the cops was on y'all? When y'all know that that everybody's about about to be arrested.

SPEAKER_06 32:57

We well, we really didn't know what happened was Butter got arrested that same day. Butter sat down in jail from January until September. Now mind you, remember the guy I told you was in the car with us named Moody, a Muslim brother. Moody get caught with some guns. Moody get caught with a gun, he get out on barn, he get caught with another gun. So now he's a convicted felon. He got two gun charges. They trying to give him like 30 years. Like Moody is somebody that Moody was my son who got killed, best friend. Me and Moody, we we d we done all been to Juma together, we done prayed together, everything. Moody wears wire on butter, on, on butter in jail. Butter feeling like Moody's solid. I mean, but they tell you in jail, they tell you not to talk about your case.

SPEAKER_05 34:02

All the time.

SPEAKER_06 34:03

Butter tells Moody every detail, but Moody got a wire on. That's what breaks the case. Moody breaks the case. Still got 20 years though. Moody get, once, once Moody, I can't say that Butter was gonna break until after Moody wore the wire on him. Once Moody wore the wire on him, they go get the uh detectives and state attorney, they go get Butter. They bring Butter in the room, and they let Butter hear the wire, butter walk out, from my understanding.

SPEAKER_04 34:45

He walked out, being like, walk out the room or just walked out. Yeah, walk out.

SPEAKER_06 34:49

No, he walked out the room. He in jail. Okay. They go get him, take him to a room, they let him hear the wire. He leaves out that day. So they said it, quote unquote, that they was just gonna let it marinate on Butter. Butter breaks. Once Butter breaks, Butter already stated on the wire that who did the shooting. Butter was there. Butter was the driver of the car. That's what I need. People understand. They they exempting Butter, the eyewitness of the crime.

SPEAKER_05 35:21

No, I ain't exempt me.

SPEAKER_06 35:24

It seemed like everybody zipped zipping him.

SPEAKER_05 35:26

It seemed like everybody's on me. No, no, hell no. No, everybody get their fair share of it. You know, right now it's your story, but everybody I've been in there for a long time and I see how this shit goes. But yeah, he gets the lion's share too. So yeah, yeah, yeah. He got right up there. He sat there and was involved and shit. They label him as one of the best hitters. Am I wrong or correct? No, you definitely because I I ran up on it. I did my I did my homework. They label Butter as a sufficient hitman in my life.

SPEAKER_06 35:56

No, it definitely is.

SPEAKER_05 35:57

And so for him to get up there and betray that cowardness, yeah, he gets no motherfucking exhibit from me.

SPEAKER_06 36:04

Right.

SPEAKER_05 36:04

And I just want to show the fans that when you're in the streets and you're doing this, we don't promote this, but anybody can get on your line and bring you in at any single day, no matter who it is. But yeah, let's get back to this nigga Butter.

SPEAKER_06 36:19

So butter breaks. Butter sit down and butter tell him everything, butter tells him I come pick him up. Butter make the people believe that I know what was going on.

SPEAKER_05 36:32

Okay, so butter, butter basically implicated you.

SPEAKER_06 36:35

Right.

SPEAKER_05 36:35

Like, so that's a lie.

SPEAKER_06 36:37

That I knew what was going on.

SPEAKER_05 36:38

Yeah, that's a lie.

SPEAKER_06 36:39

That's definitely a lie.

SPEAKER_05 36:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 36:41

If I knew what was going on, it's no way I would have made the decision I made.

SPEAKER_05 36:47

To take your car, register to you.

SPEAKER_06 36:50

My phone registered to me. That pings in this lady driveway. The location drop. See what people gotta understand too, they should, they probably know, but they don't care. It's no such thing as deleting in them phones.

SPEAKER_05 37:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 37:06

Whatever in that phone is in that phone, you might can't see it no more, but it's still in there.

SPEAKER_05 37:10

Right.

SPEAKER_06 37:11

The people could go get it. Yeah, they can go get it. Butter tells them that I come pick them up. Butter gives them, Butter gives them the whole story. Butter was the mastermind of the whole situation. Butter the one who found this is Dominique. Dominique. Butter the one who found Way Lil Buck stay. Butter the one did everything.

SPEAKER_05 37:34

They called him an official hitman.

SPEAKER_06 37:36

Nah, I agree to that. When he comes out the house, that's what he comes out the house for. He don't sell, he don't sell no, he don't sell, he ain't sell no dope. He wasn't no hustler, he wasn't no choplifter, nothing.

SPEAKER_05 37:45

A lot of good hitmen or a lot of good workmen like him is in history books now to going down as a hot motherfucker at the end of the day when they all get caught. But go ahead.

SPEAKER_06 37:54

So Butter, Butler implicates everything, and that's how they get the warrant for everybody. So the day that I get arrested, I leave my house. And you know, you know, you you're I'm aware of everything, and I see a couple funny cars.

SPEAKER_07 38:11

I'm like, hey.

SPEAKER_06 38:13

So I leave, I go over to the neighborhood of my grandmama house, and a tow truck got pulled up. He like, well, who driving this car here? So I'm like, the young lady walked over there, she driving it. So he was like, I need to speak with her. So when the young lady came out of the house, I said, Hey, this tow truck man wants to speak to you. So as I'm telling him that, I jump in my car. I jump, well, I'm not in my car. Matter of fact, I'm in Queso's car. He had a he had a brand new um charger, scat pad. I jump in the car, take off, boom. So the man, like, he, he, like, damn. So I dip. So now I see them follow me. But I'm like, oh, they just mess with me. Because I'm really not knowing. I'm be honest with you, I'm really not thinking when I go pick to be honest with you, I'm not, I'm not never aware of accessory after the fact. Because I've never been accessory after the fact, guy. I'm not really aware that I broke a law back then in January. And I see cars follow me, but boom, so I switch cars. My daughter picked me up, but we switch cars, we move, we riding. I go get a haircut or something. Steal cars follow me. So I'm trying to shake the cars, I'm trying to shake the cars so I still, so I go back to my grandmama's house and I go and I'm like sitting there, and then I walk back out just to look. I see a car down the street and shit. That's when they came from everywhere.

SPEAKER_05 39:45

And charging you with this initial charge that Butter and them did.

SPEAKER_06 39:49

Right. Charged me with accessory after the fact to a murder to a capital murder.

SPEAKER_04 39:54

Wow. So you didn't even know this was this was happening. You didn't even know Butter Butter flipped. You didn't know none of that.

SPEAKER_06 40:00

No. I didn't know, I didn't know Butter flipped. Nobody knew Butter had nothing flipped until that day there. And the crazy thing about it, we I found out so much stuff. You know, you find out so much stuff when you be in jail.

SPEAKER_05 40:18

Yeah. They come out.

SPEAKER_06 40:20

And I I found out that I uh one of Queso's cousins came through the jail. And he said, man, queso knew to get that dude from around y'all, man. Get that dude from around there, get him from round. Man, that dude got our other cousin 20 years, Butter. Right? He got he got our other um, what's her name? He got these dudes a lot of time. He got these, he he he he spoke Oh, so Butter a repeat rap.

SPEAKER_05 40:51

No, but uh this ain't butter first, you know what I'm saying, appearance at the at the plate. No, no.

SPEAKER_06 40:58

And I found out that queso knew that. Oh, and queso knew it. Well, he was told that. He was warned. Okay, he was warned. Then it was I seen one, I seen a female online saying, somebody get hold of queso, because I guarantee he won't argue with me now about butter. She tried to warn him. Wow. Because say her baby daddy is the guy that butter got the 20 years for. So my lawyer tells me, say, man, if it wasn't, if it wasn't you, you wouldn't even be charged. If it was just somebody else, you wouldn't even be charged. He said, This is their chance to put their hands on. He said, man, they got a top 10 list of people that they want to get off the street in the prosecutor office. And he said, your name number one. I know, man, I know, I know parents that done washed blood out of their churn clothes. Done went and picked their churn up, done went and did all type of stuff like that and never got charged. Or if they did get charged, they sat in jail 30 days a month and got probation. But it was, it was it was personal for me because I had a name in the streets. I had to unbeat them so much. When I went to the feds, bro, that was my first conviction. I didn't have no conviction. That was my first felony conviction when I went to the feds. And I had to have been to jail numerous of times. I had to been to jail several times on serious cases like what I've what I was in in this case here.

SPEAKER_05 42:52

So now let's get to now you're Well, I'm gonna rewind a little bit to bring it up to date because you went to the feds, right? And I read a little, I do a lot of homework on you, man. I'm pretty interested in you and the things you had going on because your case is nationwide news. Um when I read that you went to the feds, uh I stumbled upon a part to where as though you was a CI, a confidential foreman in the feds. Is this true? Never. Okay. I have never. So but they brought it up though. They said that. Am I lying for that? No, they definitely said that. Okay, so help me understand how they say something like that and you telling me it's no. So am I gonna believe you or am I gonna believe the government? Because I sat there and did time these joints too. Right. And I ain't placing no blame game, but I want the streets to see how this shit get. Right. So now they're saying that during your fad case, you was a confidential informant. And the people know what that means.

SPEAKER_06 43:40

They they said that I've been a paid informer. Okay. But what I'm saying is who I put in jail. You haven't had one guy, one person step up and say, Blue lock me up, blue got me, blue. Set me up. Right. You know, when I went to the feds, you've been in the feds.

SPEAKER_05 44:07

Very long time.

SPEAKER_06 44:08

It's a thing called, I don't know if they changed. A lot of stuff changed now because now the judges got more power. They didn't have power when I went.

SPEAKER_05 44:15

Yeah, they ain't that much power. Well, they have some power.

SPEAKER_06 44:18

The prosecutor ran the court when I went. Right. They got a thing called accepting responsibility.

SPEAKER_05 44:25

You get some points taken off of that. You get some time, bro.

SPEAKER_06 44:27

You get some time off of that. And when you accept responsibility, you definitely telling on yourself.

SPEAKER_05 44:34

Exactly. You saying that whatever y'all got charged against me, I did it. Right. You took ownership, accountability. I don't call that telling on itself. I want to correct that. That's not telling on yourself. And I stand on that firmly. If I go in there and I got caught with guns and dope, and y'all saying this is what I what I had, not you or him, because I want it, I wanted to be crystal clear. And I choose to say, man, that's mine's. I did it. Right. I didn't cooperate. I pleaded and I told y'all this is mine's. And I took ownership. See, is the difference between cooperation and ownership. Right. Cooperation, as we all know, is to help you out and in turn to put somebody else in jail to help you out. That's cooperation to me. Would you agree or no? No, I agree. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 45:20

And well, see, you know because you've been there.

SPEAKER_05 45:24

Yeah, for a very, very, very long fucking time. And I hate that shit.

SPEAKER_06 45:27

But the people in the streets don't understand that. Right. So this is another thing that's a mix up. When I caught my Fed case, I had about six dirty cops.

SPEAKER_05 45:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 45:47

And I mean, it ain't no honor among thieves in the streets. You know, you it's two things. You're gonna be the villain or you're gonna be the prey.

SPEAKER_05 46:01

I agree to that.

SPEAKER_06 46:02

What I used to do, these young guys don't understand. So I'm gonna use me and you as an example.

SPEAKER_05 46:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 46:12

And you are say you come and you buy a brick from me.

SPEAKER_05 46:18

I do me and him or just me? You. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 46:23

When you leave, I run a game on you. Hey, it's hot. It's hot going this way. You need to go this way and and and take go this way, and it's a better way than going that way.

SPEAKER_05 46:37

And I'm gonna take your advice.

SPEAKER_06 46:38

You're gonna take my advice.

SPEAKER_05 46:39

Because I think you mean me good. You just sold me my work or I got consignment, whatever it is, I just know you mean me good. Right. So I'm taking your advice.

SPEAKER_06 46:47

So when you go the way I tell you to go, my officers pull you over.

SPEAKER_05 46:56

Man, if you don't get out of here with that shit, man, your officer, what you call that, man? I don't mean to cut you off, but this shit is bowling me, cuz. Okay. Like, what do you call that?

SPEAKER_06 47:06

They are dirty cops.

SPEAKER_05 47:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 47:09

They are dirty cops. They pull you over and they run a game on you, about they about to get off. They don't feel like doing paperwork. They search your car, they find the stuff in your car.

SPEAKER_05 47:23

They find the brick I just caught.

SPEAKER_06 47:24

Right. And they ask you, now I'ma take, I can take this, I can keep this dope, I can take you to jail for it. What you gonna do? You can keep the dope. Okay. That's my that's what I'm saying. Okay, take that. Everybody's gonna say that. Right, exactly. So so once they take the dope, the cop bring the dope back to me. So no one was never charged. No one never charged. This is a this is a this is a I'm gonna use the words they'll understand. This is a scam that I'm running.

SPEAKER_05 47:56

On a on a high, a high, high scale. Right. And with stakes at you what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_06 48:02

This another thing we was doing. Say Arcare here, he getting money. Pull him over, get his ID. Now we got his information. Now we know where he stays. Right. You know, now he knows where we stay. We get his, he get his ID, he get all his information. Give him a warning. He thinks it's just a regular police pulled him over, but all along we getting his we getting his information to his crowd.

SPEAKER_05 48:33

Personal information.

SPEAKER_06 48:34

To his crib.

SPEAKER_05 48:35

Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 48:36

Now, my homeboy's in your crib a week later.

SPEAKER_05 48:41

So basically, what you said, what you're putting out here is a cheat cool. Right. A cold-blooded cheat cool. Now, me, I'm going to put on the record for me as a man, as a man, as a once street nigga, because I'm a law-abiding citizen now. Like I say, our thing is to bring awareness how you can go to jail. If you say is absolutely true, you sent police at dudes, you know, the competition, whatever, they just took the dope and brought the dope back to you and let them go. And let them go. Yeah, I yeah, I can't see how that's cooperating with the government.

SPEAKER_04 49:14

It's a shit, shisty stick movie.

SPEAKER_05 49:16

It's a shit, it'd be in the streets. But we in the streets. It's no honor amongst these, so I that's why I gotta call it for. He got a cheat code. I don't. I ain't got that. Now until I got arrested, now if they had arrested me and I sat down the precinct, and they gave him the brick back, I'd have some motherfucking done slid down the razor blade into a back of all river in my book.

SPEAKER_06 49:39

Right.

SPEAKER_05 49:40

But if ain't nobody got reversed, they let me go. I'm true. Should you take that brick of dope?

SPEAKER_06 49:45

Right, because that's that's my that's that's my game. That's my that's my game. You buy your brick for me, for blase squazy, whatever. Now you broke. Now you working for me. You come back to me, you tell me this happened, that happened. I ain't got nothing. I drag you for a couple days, now I front you that brick back.

SPEAKER_05 50:05

Dirty game, dirty game, man. Listen, y'all, dirty game. This is how this shit go. Not just in Florida, everywhere, but it's going on in Florida at an alarming rate. Right.

SPEAKER_06 50:15

I got trap houses on every side of town at this time. I get to know when they finna get busted. I get to know when they coming. I get to know the confidential information. Cheat code. I get to come, I get to know the confidential informer. I get a picture of the confidential informers. I get all this. We get to we get to rob banks that the police working off duty home. Back in the days, they didn't do the wire transferring and the the the um you know stuff like that. They goes in the bank and make big payroll withdrawals back then. 50, 60,000. Police that's crooked work at the bank. Okay. My little homeboy, we get lick. Guess what? Police say, well, they went, they went what they went right, they went to the west in a white car, but they really went to the south in a brown car. So everybody done took this situation, and Miss Screwdis saying I was working for the police.

SPEAKER_05 51:22

See, but it's not that everybody's saying it though. Blue, I read it. It ain't, you know, I can see if it's just a bunch of comments. I read that you was a con the the the in your trial, the process, not the prosecution, the the excuse me, the the uh defense attorney brought it up and said you was locked up in front and you was a confidential informant, right? And for them to put that on record like that in courts, because I've been through the same propaganda, you cannot tell me that some form of cooperation wasn't going on back then. Never like keep it real, like how you gonna make that make sense, make the people know.

SPEAKER_06 52:00

Listen, bro. Like we ain't gonna do like you said, we don't do no camping up here. The men wanna know why, right? Listen, you ain't got nail prior to this caso case, prior, you have nail deposition in my name, you got nail grand jury testimony in my name, you got nail sworn statement in my name, never, right, ever. Then this the thing. If I'm a paid informant, a CI, why wouldn't they come to me before they arrest me? And see. Check the post. Okay, we got this case, we finna bill on y'all. We got blase squase, and we come to you. See, I'm gonna tell you something about let me tell you something about the trial. This is why I always say that case so lawyer them failed them. Because if I was a CI, they should have had my hand of them. Right? They should have looked and said, well, didn't you set JoJo up at this date, that date? See, you gotta think about the situation I was put in. I was straddling the fence. I didn't want to get up here, I don't want to be, I don't want to be up here, number one. But I ain't trying to be a grade A. But it's them, it's their job to exploit the truth or the false. That's his lawyer job. It's just as well as this. They didn't even exploit, they had sworn statements that but admitted that he lied. Sworn statements that he admitted that he lied, but now he's telling the truth. Once you lie, you a liar. They didn't exploit this. Anything that got up there, they supposed to did their job, and they supposed to exploit it, whatever was said. They supposed to brought the like I said, I'm gonna go back to that. If I was a confidential former, they supposed to brought in, they supposed to have something to say yeah. To say, yeah, he worked it for me back and then, he worked it for me then. He worked, he he set this person up over here, he set that person up here.

SPEAKER_05 54:27

It's not to cut you off. I just watched it last night just to make sure that lady said that to you. No, she definitely said yo. No, she you were a confidential infelement, and if that was wrong off record, that's an easy misgrounds to set y'all free. Right. Because she's lying on y'all. Am I right or wrong? You're right. You get it? Do you get it? I'm I'm I'm trying to. Well, see, because I ain't getting it right now. Fuck no, I don't get it.

SPEAKER_06 54:55

We we we we we you know it's certain things that we gotta that we gotta tread on because queso still gotta fight.

SPEAKER_05 55:04

Exactly, yeah. Exactly. I respect that. You see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06 55:06

Yeah, and I can't prove everything for everybody.

SPEAKER_05 55:12

Right, right. What I'm what you give a better understanding.

SPEAKER_06 55:15

What I'm gonna what I'm gonna need, see, see, I'm gonna tell you like this. My situation ain't really for everybody to understand. It's for me to understand.

SPEAKER_05 55:23

Right, right. Right, wrong, weak, and strong, whether you told, whether you didn't, or whatever it's for only you.

SPEAKER_06 55:30

And see, queso need help. You don't think you need nothing? What you mean? I mean some more help as far as in. He needs help to get out of jail to get back from you know what I'm saying? And what queso don't understand is, and he will, you know, he's still in the county jail, he's still in 2000.

SPEAKER_05 55:57

Yeah, he still got to go. He's gonna go through a hell of a different situation.

SPEAKER_06 56:02

Let me explain something to you. I had sent my lawyer to Queso lawyer.

SPEAKER_04 56:10

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SPEAKER_06 57:35

Took, I took my lawyer and I said, Look, man, go to queso and them lawyer, and man, let's all sit down and see how we gonna fight this together as one. Cesole and them don't understand that, bro. Your lawyer worked for you.

SPEAKER_05 57:56

Nobody else.

SPEAKER_06 57:57

He do what you say, and they lawyer told them that they don't think it was a good idea. Even if they'll even if you all thought that I was on something crazy, hear me out. Because if I wouldn't have been in jail, they would have ran me crazy. They would have ran me crazy asking for help for this case and asking for what to do, daddy, what did this heal, what did that do. And I had a couple strategies that the way I wanted to fight the situation. And when Ceso and Crazy denied the sit-down, they didn't have to say nothing. They could have just sat there and listened. I felt a little betrayal then, you know, but it wasn't, it's not a justification. I'm not gonna never justify getting up there on that stand.

SPEAKER_05 58:54

Okay, you can't not let me. I'm not gonna no, I'm not gonna never justify. I ain't gonna let you me and you be in here fighting, boy. I ain't gonna. We be in here fighting good as a motherfucker. You trying to justify that.

SPEAKER_06 59:03

Just don't just don't grab my ass like that. But listen, you know, I'm never gonna, I'm never, I'm never gonna justify that.

SPEAKER_05 59:13

Right.

SPEAKER_06 59:14

You know what I'm saying? But it was chess time, it wasn't Chuck's time. You know, I see queso in jail, I ask queso, I say.

SPEAKER_05 59:22

Oh, you've seen him?

SPEAKER_06 59:23

I see him all, I just see him all the time because Oh, they ain't had you on the same unit. No, the same dorm that I the dorm that I was in, everybody went to the law library, had to come by.

SPEAKER_05 59:31

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 59:32

And I see him and I say, look, queso, I say, look, bro, I I call him Keman. I've never called him queso. I say, look, him, get involved in your case. I say, your lawyer got a hundred cases, you got one. I say, get involved in this case to see what's going on because I'm already involved. You know, I'm already, I got paperwork this high. I'm already involved in the case. I'm already seeing the evidence, I'm already seeing what angle they're going with this case, I'm seeing everything, but I want them to see it. This is when I'm staying silent because I'm staying silent to see if they're gonna free their daddy.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:09

Reason being, I'm thinking like What you mean, like the you when you say free their daddy, meaning queso and everybody else or the other court of fenders are gonna like get you queso gonna get me out of this because queso the target.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:22

Once you the target, you the target.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:24

Yeah, that's facts.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:25

And I'm staying solid at this point.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:28

So basically, you was looking for queso to be like, to take ownership.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:32

I was looking for queso, I was looking for Scotty, I was looking for Crazy K. I was looking for all them. We know Butter wasn't gonna do it. So I'm looking for all them too. All I needed was Scotty to say, yeah, he came and picked us up, but he didn't know what was going on.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:47

And you'd have been free.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:48

I would have fought that mother, I would have fought that case all the way to the door with that. Because you know that prosecutor was not gonna go and they was not gonna go in trial and make it look like I didn't know what was going on if I went to trial.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:04

But let me ask you a question that everybody wanna know. And you know, we just, you know, we up here shooting the shit. You said just now that if they done came in there and said that, that man, he ain't know nothing about none of this when he pulled up. That you d'a fooled to the door, correct? Correct. Now that they didn't, what was your thinking?

SPEAKER_06 1:01:25

Well, I'm gonna be honest with you. And I ain't doing, I'm gonna tell you, I ain't gonna do no line on no cabin. I say, if don't nobody stand up for me, I'm gonna stand up for myself.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:36

So basically, basically what you're saying is like, you know, I'm going, do I gotta do to make sure I'm not, I don't do a lot of time. So basically, I'm gonna tell whatever I gotta do.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:43

I'm gonna do whatever I gotta do to get myself up out of this situation that I was dragged in. I ain't gonna say tricked. I don't wanna use that word, but I'm gonna say dragged in. You know, because if me and you go out doing the crimes, I know you would like to be able to have a choice to say whether you want to be involved or you don't, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:07

Yeah, I agree. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:09

You don't want me to come pick you up and I got a body in the car, and I and we just driving to get pulled over, and I say, hey man, oh, I forgot to tell you, man, it's a body in the car. What you gonna, you gonna be looking like, what? You know what I'm saying? That's the same thing will happen to me. Like, okay, give me some kind of hint that's something going on over here, and so I know to send an Uber, send somebody else, not me. I'm y'all backbone. Mm-hmm. You know, give me some kind of ideal of what I'm going up in, not just go give me a, they just need a ride.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:41

So basically, in a nutshell, right? Because this is what I'm trying to decipher between, because you know, I'm still on an argumentative tip. I want to uh decipher between at the end of the day, you didn't have no knowledge of none of this. I had zero knowledge. And I keep asking you this because I'm trying to, if if not correct, I want to pull it out you if it's there. But you keep you sticking to your word, like I had no knowledge about it.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:09

Let me tell you something, and people may not believe it because of this decision I made. Because I don't believe it. But because of decision I made, because because for number one, you may be just like the rest of them, prejudging the person.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:22

Probably so, probably.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:23

Probably so what they gonna say if if you get into something now, they're gonna judge you by your past. Oh, he always been in the something. They ain't gonna say that you're a law-abiding citizen, like you're saying right now.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:33

Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:33

You know what I'm saying? So everybody is prejudging me because of my past.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:38

That's why I'm pre- and that's what is exactly what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:41

You know what I'm saying? I wasn't running around with no guns, I wasn't doing no nothing. I wasn't when I came home in prison, I vowed in, I vowed in federal prison. I wasn't.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:51

Because I heard you was getting a lot of money, selling a lot of dope, and doing your thing. Yeah. So in my mind, ho, this nigga know better.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:59

But see, you know what I learned in the feds? Right. Dope and guns are like oil and water. Right. These people will let you make all the money you want to make. Once you go to slanging that gun, you're getting off the streets. ASAP. See, the Feds is a it, the Feds is almost like one of the highest colleges it is into criminology. You know what I'm saying? So you gotta pick your struggle. I wasn't, see, what people don't understand is is this, man. If you got a son out there and he's toting a gun, that's a man. He's still your son, but that's a man. He's a man. Number one, this is where I felt queso and them was responsible with shift, where they got responsible for me. When queso and them homeboys fold and told on their daddy, that made them responsible for me. You know, now if I call queso and say, hey man, go over there and pick up two of my homeboys and blah blah squad, they done did this in one of them fold, I feel responsible for him for that. And it don't matter because I'm the daddy. They're responsible for the daddy. We stick together, we fight together because you don't always gotta physically throw punches to fight together. You fight together, you stand up for each other. You don't put me, you don't back me into a wall to wait, I done been in jail all this time, I'm 50 years old, now I'm counting. Okay, if I get 30 years, I'm gonna be 80 when I get out. Oh, that's brain fucking me.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:34

So, so let me ask you this. No, but if they do say that, that they admit that you weren't there, that now puts them in jeopardy of losing the case, right? If they say Yes, because now they know if you say he ain't there, yeah, then evidently you know what the fuck happened.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:49

Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:50

Okay, you know why I take that standpoint. Definitely. You know, you know why I take that standpoint? Because look, I didn't put Scotty DA in that letter. The house. I didn't put Scotty DNA on that lady clothes that she had on. He put it on there when they was wrestling with this lady to hold her down. I didn't put queso fingerprints on that gun in the car. I didn't put queso hair in the car. All this public records now for the for the fans who are gonna go to he still telling, he's still doing this in. See, really, the I don't know, man, if the is the whole social media world got dyslexion or something like that because I don't know what they be seeing. I don't know what they heard in that trial.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:31

It's only probably because you his father.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:33

It's definitely because you his father. It's more regret, you his dad, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:38

But did you see you his dad, Blue? But did you see, did you see that same outfit on Ceso that was on the guy with the gun and on his live videos? Did you see that? I didn't dress him up that day. I didn't dress him up. What that mean? What that means because I'm his daddy. That don't mean his the son can't protect the daddy.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:58

Yeah, that means that, but what about the daddy protecting the son? That's right. That's what we're here for. That's right. More so than them protecting us. That's right. I would take a hundred times that my son didn't protect me, and I'm gonna protect him that one time he needed. We the dad. We are the daddy. You don't look at it like that, like fuck him protecting us. That's my son.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:17

That's my we come from your loins. Let me ask you this though. Did you think that by make a part of your decision making to testify? Did you think that case was like a lose-lose situation? And that promised you say, you know what I'm gonna do this.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:32

Man, I didn't I didn't see no way uh Ceso beating that case.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:41

You didn't see it at all?

SPEAKER_06 1:07:42

No, because number one, butter eyewitness.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:45

Number two. Number two, but uh, man, man, butter put that case together, man. I don't know if y'all ain't see his testimony. Oh, I seen it.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:56

I watched it twice last night.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:58

But to put that case together so good for these people.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:02

But you came behind him and put the butter on that motherfucker, though. I can't get I can't exempt you. You put the butter on that cake. That's what you did. I ain't looking to be exempt. Okay. I respect that. I respect that's one thing about it. I might not respect the actions of what happened, but I respect the actions of what you spend. You ain't sitting here lying to me.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:21

No, no, no, no, no. And I ain't gonna justify it. Exactly. And I'm a man, and I'm a man raised on any decision you make you stand on it. See, I had this, I it's it's like this with me. I go to prison for life for a situation because I'm their daddy.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:36

Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:36

Okay, what about everybody saying what?

SPEAKER_05 1:08:39

Yeah, come on, help me understand.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:40

I'm you see me over here right now. I go to prison. I go to prison for life. Because you their daddy. Because I'm their daddy.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:45

Now let me ask you this before you go on. Do you think that's feasible? Do you think that's honor if you would have done that?

SPEAKER_06 1:08:51

Man, I'd have been forgotten about right now.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:53

No, fuck all that.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:54

I'm talking about to you. No. No. No. You know why? Oh my eyes. On my eyes, but guess what, huh? I got a I got a five-year-old, I got a six-year-old, I got a nine-year-old. What? So did you see, did you just see, did you just see the lady with try to save her kids and couldn't only save but three of them that drowned in the other?

SPEAKER_05 1:09:17

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:17

She saved who she can save, huh? I couldn't say that.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:23

We can't pit that with this, though. No, no, no. That's a different type of.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:26

I can't let you hang your head on that fucking. I'm not hanging my head on it. What I'm giving you is an example of a parent that gotta save who they can save. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. If I don't attempt these boys, the cycle is gonna go again because now they're gonna tell them, boy, your daddy and your son and your daddy and your and your big brother, Blase Squazi, now these boys trying to live up to that. You know, I'm thinking about all this. I'm thinking about I know better because I'm looking at how I came home to Crazy K and Keso Nill. I don't want to see this happen again. You know, I don't want to this, I don't want, I don't want this to happen again. And that's the way I'm looking at it. You know, and like I said, I'm gonna finish my example. I go to, I get it life. Matter of fact, I get thought of it that's life for a dude. Yeah that's life. I go to prison, I die in prison for nothing. I rather I'd rather a motherfucker put my toes in the air on the street for something than me die in prison for nothing.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:29

No, I can't agree with that, cuz you don't you don't got me agreeing with that. Maybe come from a cloth. We come from a different cloth. But we come from a different cloth. I'm not gonna let you sit here and say that. I'm gonna lay there in my life for my kid, let alone fuck all that. I got this my brother. How you know? Let me give you a four. This my how about how do I know I would have this? How you know? I done been in it, I done been in it.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:50

Say what you but you ain't never had, you ain't never had this mind frame, this train of thought what you got right now.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:57

Nah, I didn't. I just have a I just have a a will and a core. Don't use integrity. Ain't no butt. Ain't no butt. I have that in me right now today. I will take a case for him that he didn't even dig. We go out here right now and I would take it. This is because of my camaraderie and my this is my blood, and I ain't even do it. And I'm 35 and I'm going to jail. I caught you right there, and this ain't even my motherfucking son. Now, everybody don't have that type of like integrity, right? That shit is dying out, but let alone my son. Like, our kids do shit that disappoint us all our life. Am I right or wrong? Don't do that, don't do this, John, don't do that.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:38

That's my son, but you keep forgetting that's a grown man. It is, but he still needs your number to be 21 at the time. That's a grown man 21 to be. He ain't listening at nothing I'm saying. The whole time I'm when dude listen, Blue.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:57

Is that nine-year-old, the the the the six-year-old, if they listen? Because if you sit here and tell me they listen, we fighting right now. No, no, no. I listen listening right now.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:06

You know dick and well you got something over. So answer this for me, because because I'm I'm supposed to be getting asked, but answer this for me. Because wait a minute, I told you we're gonna get into it. When do K So get some responsibility in this situation? Accountability. When do we get accountability in this situation? When do we get accountability for bragging on all this shit he done in this situation?

SPEAKER_05 1:12:24

He getting it right now. Well, I'm just saying, before he got life. Okay, check this out. He got life, he got to spend the rest of his life with this accountability. Right. Right or wrong? Right, but he ain't had to.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:36

But he has to. So you mentioned also they offered him a deal. What kind of deal are they offering?

SPEAKER_06 1:12:44

From my understanding, just like now, I heard for the second trial, they offered him 25 years for this second one. But he already got a life for that one, so I can understand him not taking time for this one. I get that part. But if they come to me, see, I'm looking at it too. I'm I'm coming to your question. But I'm looking at it too from me and my daddy's point of view. Because it's no way I'm gonna sit there and let my daddy fight these people and go down in a situation where he ain't had nothing to do with. That's you! That's what I'm saying. That's just you, that's what I'm saying. Everybody is different. But then I'm looking at I'm looking at our relationship. I'm looking at, I'm looking at how I'm thinking that we are. If queso go in there, queso could have freed everybody. But be as done, but he didn't, but he was gonna have to own up to it. But if you know you can get 30 years for this situation.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:50

But that's just what we were talking about. I'm about to cut you off before we got on air. Who in 1920-21 taking 30 years? I get that. Like this the mind of an adult, like, damn, we could beat this.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:02

We only see that because we older. Well, that's what I'm trying to, that's what I'm trying to explain to you. But you talking about you taking cases now at 45 years old, you're not finna take no cases now.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:11

Yes, I will. Yes, I will. Yes, I will. Man, you can't say what you're gonna do a situation you've not been in, bro. Listen, listen, I'd have been, listen, I'm walking a straight path right now, and we got homies, right? We got homies, and I'm not gonna get into that, that going through little shit. And then this, I don't want to take the the light off of you, but I'm just giving you a little thing. And something happened, whatever, whatever. I ain't gonna get into all that. But if something would have happened to wiz though, a person that got hurt, I'm taking my gloves back. I'm taking them gloves off the shelf. They're they're just up on the shelf for me. Uh they're just up, it's certain things fortified. Yeah, I am 45. I be 46 the 4th of July. Yeah, but you but you fortified by age, you ain't fortified by that. Yes, it is. Yes, I am. I just stay in the walls, bro. It's it's it's nothing. My my my my my principle. See, I come from a background with no mom, no dad. I've been raised by the streets since four.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:01

You can't think stupid, huh?

SPEAKER_05 1:15:02

It's not thinking stupid, it's thinking with integrity, with love.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:06

But listen, maybe he's thinking like he's probably thinking is like you're thinking you're taking it for somebody's out here running the streets going, oh no, I'm talking about a love.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:13

Because we're talking about family, we're talking about his son. I'm talking about you, you my brother. Yeah, and you're not my biological brother. You're one of the closest associates I got. If it came down to it, us getting caught, and he got something, and I never know, I'm taking it.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:26

But see, I you know what I can go for that.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:27

I'm taking it, give it to me, bro. But listen, look out for.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:29

But see, see, let me tell you something. You're not taking it to take it because I'm gonna tell you what you you I'm gonna tell you why you're gonna take it. Because you understand La Illha ilallah, Muhammad al Rasulullah.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:42

Nah, I definitely understand that.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:43

And that makes a difference when people understand that. Right. Moody was a Muslim. If he understood that statement right there, guess what? He wouldn't have never wore a wire on knowing that this is gonna get his Muslim brothers messed up. So that's gonna hold a lot more weight than the regular people gonna understand. Now, I'll go for that. I'll go for you doing that with your brother, Yoshahaba. I'll go for that. You know what I'm saying? I'll go for that. I'll go, I'll I'll go for that. But you can't have the same morals. You, you, you, you, you straddling the fence. Because if you ain't going to jail, you ain't going to jail for nothing.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:22

Well, well, god damn it, I'm straddling this motherfucker. You straddling this fence. If he's not the only one, it's four or five people. I'm not saying that like I could I could ah see, it's just but he's I understand.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:33

I listen, I understand, but we don't agree, but I understand. But what he's saying is what's why that's why I think he's saying, correct me if I'm wrong. He's saying that if it's somebody out here like running reckless, you know that he's reckless, right? You're not, you may, you may think twice about putting yourself in the line of jeopardy, knowing that he's out here moving reckless. So and he's not trying to, he's just doing any anything out here in the streets. You might you may not want to put yourself in the line for somebody like that. But somebody like like you're still like. I'm not putting myself on the line for nobody like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:01

They're not even gonna be in my security. That's what he's saying. But they're not gonna be, see, that I wouldn't even have been around it. If it's I'm I'm not being around you.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:08

You so stuck on, you so stuck on that that that's your son. Yes! You so stuck on you make that this something small in my neck. This son is so your but if you got a stupid son, that's yours. Hey man, that's yours, he gotta stand up.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:26

Yeah, we that's that's what we keep, that's where he got he gotta stand up. He got to stand up. Yeah, if he did it by himself, he got to stand up. He's right there, but you a part of it, bro. So when your circle, I'm not how not when I say a part of it, you was dragged into it.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:38

But what I'm saying is, if my son build this circle and that circle cave in and it falls on top of your daddy, you step up for your dad. Especially when you know what kind of you what kind of daddy you got for real. See, they know me. You don't know me as a father. This the social media don't know me as a father, they know me as a father.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:01

Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:01

This is what makes the difference. Because this is why I'm this is what I'm standing on.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:06

Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:06

That okay, step up for pops. Get pops out of here where pops can help you. You know what my son, my other son in prison now, he ain't heard from nobody. Ain't nobody son him nothing but who? Me. And I ain't bragging on that because that's what I'm gonna do. You know what I'm saying? But them friends, forget about you.

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SPEAKER_05 1:19:11

Have you ever, because you told me you look out, you don't only want to look out for your other son that's currently locked up, whatever. Right. Have you looked out for Casa?

SPEAKER_06 1:19:19

I haven't. And I want to, but I don't want him to perceive it as I'm antagonizing him. I'm trying to let him develop in his situation, if I'm using the right terms, you know. And I want to I want to send him food. I want to do things for him. I want I want to prepare him for his fight on the back end. I want to help prepare him for his fight on the back end. You know, it's a I I get the way he feels. I understand the way he feels.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:59

Let me ask you a question. Let me cut you in before you say you his father, and you know him better than most. Right. Do you think he has a gripe against you right now?

SPEAKER_06 1:20:07

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:09

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:10

Like you don't think he looks at it like, man, my dad, I should have just.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:13

I think I think a gripe is an understatement.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:15

So you think he hates you right now?

SPEAKER_06 1:20:17

Right now, of course. But I understand, see, this the thing. Now, this this this is my this this is what I believe.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:24

Right. Talk to me.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:25

Okay, we all go to trial, we all get found guilty. Because you gotta understand Jacksonville, Florida, too. You know, they got a they got a 90, they they they conviction rate like the feds. We all go to trial, we all get found guilty, we go up the road. We up the road 10, 15 years. Somebody come from one prison where I'm at to where he's at. Yeah, well, I just left your daddy, man. He over there in a wheelchair and Joker pushing him to the child hall, blah, blah, blah. Damn, man, I should have got my dad out of there. Because that's gonna come with growth. See, I guarantee you, one day, he's gonna understand. And he's gonna look at the whole situation differently.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:09

But understand what? Like, damn, I see what my dad did what he did. You think he's gonna wake up one day and really come to that understanding?

SPEAKER_06 1:21:15

Definitely.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:16

I don't think so. Do we have kids? No. That's a hard pill to swallow, man. No, that's a very hard pill to swallow. I'm talking about through all the growth and development, I'm still like, that's my daddy.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:29

But at the same time, I don't believe. I don't believe queso read one discovery. I think the case got serious to Queso in maybe um when the trial was 2025. That's when I think it got serious to him. I don't think he ever took this whole situation seriously. I think he got too caught up in the the the the um celebrity the attention, the attention of it, you know. This was serious.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:08

Yeah, or nationwide.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:09

And nobody don't care about Ceso right now.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:12

Nah.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:13

He's done. He he owes news. You know, he he he he he old news right now, you know. I seen just Sunday where he somebody posted for in his behalf something about the Super Bowl that he, I guess they made it like he said it. And you see the comments, you like they don't care about him. This his homeboys don't care about him. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 1:22:36

But but but to be honest, it's like you got his limelight right now on the other end of the fence on some other shit, if you really want to be honest.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:43

I ain't listen.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:44

It's like you, it's like you got his life, because everybody wanna know what's up with blue right now. You know, you know they checking for you, blue.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:49

I ain't, you know, bro, you gotta understand, right? I'm the clout. And you think you the clout. See, they write about me.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:02

Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:03

I never got out to write about. Yeah, of course I want to tell my side of the story.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:07

Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:08

Of course I want it to be heard of, you know. You know, of course I want to be, everybody got their own stories, you know. I heard so many far-fetched stories about it. Ought to be a law against some of the stuff that these people make up out there. You know, you got, but they don't call that police. That a lot of these bloggers do. A lot of them, how they make their narrative of this story and that story right there, and then they don't cut, they what that just blogging, but they don't think the people of the jurors and none of that look at YouTube. They don't think the people of the the the that's gonna be on the jury here, none of this, when they put the whole thing together and they be whole dead wrong. You know how many people done died from social media, somebody blaming a murder on them and they done got killed, and they find out the next week after they done got killed that they wasn't the ones who done it. You know, it it should be it should be something against these people to be able to make up all this stuff that they make up.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:02

But you know, that's just you know, social media, like you say, blog, that's what they did.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:05

It's the new streets. See, this the thing, man. I ain't chasing no clout. I gotta live out here. Right, exactly. You know what I'm saying? I gotta live, I gotta live too. Ain't no question about that. I don't need, I don't want no status no more. I done had all the status in the world. They it counts for nothing now. And I understand that. But it happened, it's there.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:31

What about the negative? Because I know it was something where people were saying, like, you know, they didn't want you in certain neighborhoods or they didn't want you certain. Like, how did you deal with that? Behind, I know it's a lot of backlash. It's called like backlash. That's what it is, backlash. That's what I would do.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:44

Man, you know, half of the people that's saying that they ain't from they ain't from Jacksonville. A lot of people, they just a lot of people just talking. You know, and see, they took a lot of things. Hold on.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:08

Hello.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:14

Yo, yo. Oh yeah, we can hear you, we can hear you. So who we speaking to on the phone, man? Uh they just tell us in the jails uh, you know, we uh we hear with your uh your father, Blue. Um, what can you tell audience we speaking with today? Uh we doing good, we doing good, man. We're uh glad you can call in. So um we understand you are part of you you are a part of the case uh, you know, uh with your father and and your brother, uh, which ultimately, you know, got your brother life in in prison. How much time did you get uh with the situation?

SPEAKER_03 1:26:14

And what was and what was your charge with?

SPEAKER_04 1:26:18

What's your charges that you were uh found found guilty of? So we just want to ask a question, and this is a real serious question that I want to ask. Um because we speak about case, so we speak about yourself, and we speak about your father expanding on the case and your father testifying, getting on the stand. Do you think your father was right for what he did? Or are you mad at your father? Uh, what's your thoughts on your father t uh testifying? On your brother.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:48

I was mad. You know, uh that's my father. I was I was man. You know, we all was mad. Uh our father, he's not our soul for body, he like our food, man. Like in every aspect anywhere of life, like we love our father more than we love our mother. And it's supposed to be love your mother more than you love your father. Well honor your mother, honor your father, but you know, I was mad, you know, because I didn't understand, you know, because I already was going through my my my traumatic things with my brain injury and my body. So, you know, I was stuck. I was focused on just being silent, just the whole situation because of what had happened to us. So I didn't understand, but then as the my whole time I set and I read over my case and understood, like, you know, like, man, I put my daddy in this situation. What if I if I never called my daddy, you know what I'm saying? He would have never been in that situation because all it was was a phone call for me trying to get him to help my friends, not my brothers to help. My friends, so they called me saying they needed help. So that's all it was, you know what I'm saying? I was looking at it like, dang, I shouldn't even call him. Why? But he the only one I know I could have called. And any situation we ever been in, even them dudes, my brother, everybody in the everybody that's in that's in our inner circle knows that you can call on dude, he's gonna come. He don't care if it's a hundred people outside with guns or it's a fiber broke. He's gonna come. He gon' he's gonna die for us. We supposed to be ready to die for him too. But we wasn't ready to die for him or to do the time for him. We was ready to do it for our homeboys, the ones who don't even love us or who ain't even here for us. You know, ain't nobody here for us, you know. The internet is a persona that people living up to and they think that, you know, everybody real cause they have money, you know. But I ain't like right now, I mean I'm in a peaceful space right now. I don't really too much think about that, you know, because the lost upon the West Islands say, man, we gotta forgive. And it ain't for the sake of us, it's for the sake of him, because that's what he loves. So then my daddy, he was on our blood sacred, so nothing that we can do about what's going on right now. We gotta deal with.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:00

Um, how was your adjustment in there? This is black, man, from Tells the Jazz Brahim, man. Uh, that was my counterpart brother that you was just talking to, Tafique. I'm the one that uh did a whole lot of time inside the penitentiary. Uh I want to ask you what's your mental nowadays, man. How you feel, man? Do you feel regret? Do you feel like things could have had went differently? Or do you feel like complacent? Like it is what it is. We had to do what we had to do. Because ultimately y'all was found guilty or whatever the case. It's guilty at the end of the day. So, like, what with your mindset these days?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:35

I, you know, my mentality now is like just yeah, I, you know, I have I have regrets some days and then some days I don't. I'm happy that everything played out how it played out because if it didn't play out how it played out, then you know, I probably would have gotten shot in the back of my head by people closer to me, because I didn't know who my friends and who my family was until I came killed. And, you know, it's sad that I had to learn this way, you know what I'm saying, because I done been I done been killed before. And I already seen myself, you know what I'm saying? A lot gave me another chance to be able to wake up and to be able to see how people already do me. And I still, you know what I'm saying, did repetitive things by getting in the street and conducting myself in a certain business, and I done put myself in a situation to get gained people the upper hand. So some days I have like, you know what I'm saying, I go through little phases where I'm mad and like damn, man, I just wish this one went like this, but then I'd be like this. It is what it is, because you know what I'm saying. You got some real, real solid dudes and you know what I'm saying, crazy like college for some people, if you're trying to learn and you're trying to gain, you're trying to get out and change your life. So it ain't all bad, but it ain't all good, but it's it's it's it's a it's a it's a struggle here. It's all about scribing to keep going, you know what I'm saying. I just I just wish I would have listened, you know what I'm saying, not knowing that it ain't nothing. Listen what your parents say, be obedient. Never understood why Allah said be obedient to your parents. Like, it's because of situations like this. You know what I'm saying? Your parents already know you, they the ones held you and carried you and you know what I'm saying, gave you birth, so they already know who is who and what is what, but we don't listen to them because we feel like they old or they just talking. You know what I'm saying? Now my mama, she has passed. God bless her, so she's not here for me able to be able to get things from. Now my daddy, he's going through his situation. You know, it hurt me that we'll never be able to how we was before. Like, we talk, but it's like how the world now is like we won't be able to go out and eat how because the whole world and our business and what's going on, everybody got the input on this situation.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:43

Yeah, everybody, everybody, everybody definitely got this is a unique situation now. You got you gotta say this on yourself. You don't see every day to where as though, you know, you got brothers and a father that's on a case uh of a high magnitude case and then you know you had a the father that you know flipped on whatever the reason is. You don't see that every day. So that is something that's that that's why it's getting national attention. Um question for you. If you was released today, right? Crazy call you crazy K. I said you want me to call you craze or K?

SPEAKER_03 1:33:18

Nah, they call me Crazy K.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:20

Oh, Crazy K. All right. Uh if you were question for you, if you was released today, right? Today, do you feel as though that jail made you see life in a different point of view? As of ma'am.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:34

Yeah. Yeah, it did, because it's like, I look at it like right now I'm in a I'm in the military. Like, I'm being setting off the water fight, you know what I'm saying, with people I don't know. And you know what I'm saying? I don't know if I'm even making home, you know what I'm saying? I'm just moving off my hope. So it did made me like, you know, I'm in a building right now, I'm in the inside facility. This place we burned down, catch on fire. Like, it's no windows, nowhere to go. You know what I'm saying? We just had a fire injury, so it made me do like, you know what I'm saying, like, okay, man, when I get out, man, I gotta take advantage. You know what I'm saying? The people who are out there in the outside world don't understand how important it is. Your your your freedom. Like, everybody has your freedom right now. Even people that's free, they want your freedom. Your freedom is unlimited. When you have freedom, it ain't nothing in the world that you can't that you can't do. Right now, I don't have my freedom. I'm limited. You know what I'm saying? Like this phone call, this phone phone's on the wall. So, you know what I'm saying? I you know what I'm saying, inshallah I was able to call because if multiple people got families, you can go tell people, hey, my mama just died, my daddy died. They mama died, they daddy died. Majority dudes in the system don't have no father, don't have no daddy. So you know jail, prison, jail, all of it, it's like it's a rule and awaken, man. So his his wake up smell of cough for like a lot of people they started, they started going to these things, like they got these temptations, man, to do this and do that until they get in a situation. Nobody knows what they're gonna do until they put in that situation in that small room. Like, it'd be pressure enough, especially when you facing life. Like, when you facing 10, 20 years, it's easier to then I'm gonna lay down and come home. But when you facing life, you look at your whole life, not just a ton of it. You looking at everything like, dang, like, I'm gonna really have to lay on this bed here that's that's nothing but cotton, and I'm finna have to be going to the child hall, eating this this slop for the rest of my life. I'ma die here in Florida. It ain't no, you can look it up. It ain't no life is life. You know what I'm saying? You can try to get it back, but it takes twenty to thirty years. It ain't easy. It ain't no parole, boys.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:39

Well, you you don't have life. You got 12 years, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:35:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:43

Okay. So you'll be so you you'll be home. Inshallah.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:47

Yeah, but it's no par it's no, it's no, it's no parole. Like, you know, I'm doing I'm doing damn near 10 years off of 12 years, so it's like federal time.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:57

It's like federal time. How much time you got in? What, two years? I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:02

I got five in.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:03

Five. Hmm.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:05

Hey But if I match that, I do seven more.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:09

Question for you, Crazy K. Uh, if you could rewind the hands of time knowing what you know now, would you do it differently?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:18

Yeah, I would have did it differently. Like, a lot of things I didn't know. Like, I didn't know my brother had a rubber deal. You know what I'm saying? Like, I didn't even know like that. It's a lot of things that I didn't know. I ain't know it was a lot of things. I I just I'm learning a lot of things now because basically my thoughts are not cloudy, I ain't on drugs. You know what I'm saying? I'm hearing out seeing a lot of things we could have been different, you know, because we had like we had opportunities to take advantage of the opportunity. Um what it what it can, what it really did. So it's crazy because it's like everybody won't get that chance. Or like the situation with that gonna get old, you know, and nobody cares. Nobody really cares about it. My brother was the most hated in life, you know what I'm saying? Nobody likes him. Nobody wants to see him on talk. I probably one day, you know what I'm saying, he laying down in his bunk, he goes to drinking light and realize what what on what's going on. We could have did things different, man. We could have just been a regular family, man, just living our life. We would've been alright instead of being caught up in the media. You know what I'm saying? We have to we already had the um the same people. We already've been same our whole life, way before the rap. My dad and my granddaddy taking over the streets. But we got caught caught up and conduct the business with the with the own council people who don't believe and um don't care nothing about him.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:05

Let me ask you a question. Um, have you had any contact with your brother Ceso?

SPEAKER_00 1:38:10

I talked to him like um the summer, like October, like two months ago You have one minute remaining.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:21

What what was he saying? How was he sounding?

SPEAKER_03 1:38:25

He just like, you know, people ain't here for him, and you know, um how people ain't paying his lawyer and paying by my students how he so never been an outspoken person like that. He don't know how to express himself, so but I know that's my brother, so I kinda asked some questions on things like, you know, um how people treat him or what he got going on and things like that. He don't really too much talk about the time or how he's gonna get it back or nothing like that. He just we just rather the brother talk.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:53

Wow. Well No man, it's a t it's a difficult situation, man. So, you know, inshallah, man, you you you be you come home and and you just uh be a positive influence for those out here because you know that prison wall, being behind that prison wall is is a serious, serious matter for sure. Real serious.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:11

Definitely.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:14

Yeah, man. So you know uh go ahead, what you gonna say?

SPEAKER_03 1:39:20

How about it? Um C in the Greeks because you know Thank you for using GTL.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:25

I hate that boy.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:26

Yeah, that's there.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:29

That phone goes out, he can't call back for another 15.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:31

What's is that I don't know how it is down here. The feds was what, eight hour half hour?

SPEAKER_06 1:39:36

Yeah. No, but I think he had a private thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:38

Or a CT a CTT is probably called. It was a question I had to ask you, Blue. It was like the piggyback off of Torfique, because Torfiq said like brother about the people in your uh neighborhood and you coming back home, how was they, you know, toward you, whatever if you my thing is quite i it to me, I could be wrong, but to me it seems like y'all got a pretty nice little large close-knit family. Would you say I'm correct in making that assessment?

SPEAKER_01 1:40:12

Hello, this is a prepaid call from crazy, crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:18

A detainee from the Bay Correctional Facility. To accept this call, press zero. To refuse, your current balance is 48 cents. This call is from a correction facility and is subject to monitoring and recording. Thank you for using GTL.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:37

High phenomenon.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:42

Yeah, so uh go ahead.

unknown 1:40:48

Yeah, you can finish that.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:50

Yeah, so you see spoke to him about two months ago. Um, you said he doesn't really do a good job of uh expressing himself. Um why do you think that is? Is that how he always been, or was something happened to him when it made him be that way, or is it just that's just his personality?

SPEAKER_03 1:41:06

He's just been shy his whole life. Like he only can like speak, like, you know what I'm saying, on on the internet, like far going live and rapping. He don't know how to have no like communication like this to be able to talk. He's not finna talk about his family or you know what I'm saying, or try to expose us or say this and say that. If he does, it's coming from like his friends, like people who who trying to um initiate, like tell him like, hey man, your daddy on the internet, he he got a chain on, he got this on, you know what I'm saying? Not one time my dad spoke bad of us. He just did an interview, he didn't say like, oh, he's trying to explain the world what what happened to take place. We the only one, like, that's just like if somebody died, you and that person, whoever you did to, they don't want to know what happened to God like in this situation. It was us in the situation. We the only ones can tell this story, can't no one tell our story and trying to be like, oh man, I would have did this, I would have did this, I would have did that. You know what I'm saying? We were put in a it was it was like it was it was it was a crossfire situation. Like they put two two brothers, they could put two brothers in a bad in the situation. Normally, like that, somebody's gonna tell. But it's it's three of us, we family. So everybody like, oh man, you know, he should have did what he did, you know what I'm saying? But it's like all that's catch life. Like, what what are we gonna do? Like, what do we supposed to do? Is no one gonna help us get back on a pill to be able to take care of our little kids that we're gonna do.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:34

You have one minute remaining.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:36

But daddy, we got we got little kids, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 1:42:39

My brother, he got you have sixty seconds remaining.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:43

All that's catching life, and people want to see that happen. That's just that's just that's just inhumane. Like people that's a destiny, like they don't care nothing about you. That's why I had to take my time to get out of the way. But I see like, dang, everybody wants us to catch life in it. Like, we all won't catch life, they gonna do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:59

Do you have kids? You got kids?

SPEAKER_03 1:43:02

Yeah, I got kids. I got three kids. How ten, eight, and six.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:09

Um, before the phone hang up, how how has your um your your uh incarceration affected them?

SPEAKER_03 1:43:25

Just having to sing a parent, like not able to provide and get them things they need when they ask for it, I can't do it. I'm still nothing I can do. But be like, okay, I'll do it when I get out.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:36

My daughter's Thank you for using GTL.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:40

That's the crazy, crazy situation a lot of times too, man, like being in being incarcerated and um and having children out here. Cause sometimes we look at the uh the actual aspect of our I'm going to jail, but not only does it affect you and your livelihood, you being in prison, but it affects the children, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:59

Definitely, definitely. Man, let me I was in Feds. Um and I'll never forget it. I got a daughter, she's 35 years old right now. And um she came and seen me and she was 15 years old. And I walked out in the vegetation room, I walked right past her. So when I got over there where my sister was at and brother and them was at, I said, Wait, Krino. It's how you just passed them. And I turned around and I looked at her, and she was like eight months pregnant at 15 years old.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:28

Wow.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:29

And I thought about what she probably went through. She might have didn't even go through that. I thought about so much thing. I went and left that visitation room and went back to that uh unit, cried like a baby. You know, it definitely, it definitely affects the churn, you know, it it affected Cato, you know, like man, I remember a conversation me and Caso had one day. He said every year they would tell him I'm coming home. And he said they did it that for so long until he just gave up. You know, he gave up, and then he said, Boom, I came home. You know, and you know, and then for them, you know, like for them to get on there and say that I never did nothing fun. You know, I just came around once he caught the deal, you know. Man, I always had money. I always knew how to get money. And it ain't it ain't it it ain't it ain't nothing that I'm bragging about, but you know, I I took care of I took care of all my kids. You know, when it when it was time was presented itself, when I came home before I went home when they was little and everything, you know, for people to get on there and his brother and them to get on there and say that I only came around when he was turned up. I cheated him out of his deal. Out of the deal, you know. They was mad, you know, because I had on the um that NHD chain that's gonna be. I just felt like they needed to fold that NHD because they wanted to case do like that. Comet theater. You don't think that's like this? You know, doesn't tell me that's it. It's give it to me.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:47

Take weeks, make you want to send it to you. I do just do it like early.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:55

I do. I do. I do, I do. Reason being I didn't do it, I was gonna do it for my girlfriend put it in my mind like it might be too early. Because the antagonizing part of the thing is, I got coming from you.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:16

Correct down.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:20

Yeah, correct. And it's basically if you go here, they charge you two thousand. So if you ask you, even though with the food and stuff like that, I'm still considering you know still doing that. I just didn't want him to get it in. It's a hard situation, but I can promise you this I'm not gonna leave him on the album by trying to help him.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:54

That leads up to a question I wanted to ask you, May. This might be the uh most personal profound question that you have gotten just as far this interview. For me anyway. Um I'm quite sure a lot of the audience want to hear these days that go past since you've been free from your incarceration and uh everything around this case that you're a part of. Do you wake up like how do you wake up every day? Do you wake up with a hefty heart like I did the right thing? Or do you wake up like I could have gone about that differently?

SPEAKER_06 1:48:29

I'm gonna keep it real with you. I have my days you know that I wake up and I be like, damn. I have my days where I even break down about the situation. I ain't gonna do it on here. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But you know, if that's what the people, the the media wanna see, they ain't gonna never see it. Then when I be sitting off to the side of something and and and my little boy come up to me and be like, Daddy, you okay? You alright? I love you, daddy. And I be like, Man, I made the right decision. But then I have the days where you know I wake up and it be really on me. You know, and you know, I go through the motion, man. I'm human. You know what I'm saying? I come from that same cloud where you know you don't get up there and you don't take what I you don't what I did, you don't do. That was the hardest thing in my life, man. That's the life. Don't wake me up.

SPEAKER_05 1:49:49

That was like that. Fucking coward.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:00

I done prayed plenty of times, man. A lot don't wake me up, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:06

And so you do feel deep sorrow, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:11

Yeah, of course. I never considered suicide because I'm Muslim and I know that, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:19

That's a sin, one of the ultimate sins.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:20

Yes, and it says, and it says, however, you commit that suicide, Allah gonna make you do it over and over again. And um, but if Allah would have taken me in in the night or in the day, or whenever he felt, I was I was open to that. You know, to not face that situation, you know, and it's hard. It's hard, you know, and it's hard when I think about because I've been to prison and I know, you know, I you you don't have to come home.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:58

You're not guaranteed to come home.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:00

You're not guaranteed to come home, you know, and definitely, man, it bothers me. You know, it bothers me, but like I said, I ain't that ain't for social media, that's for personal business.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:11

Now I have a question to piggyback right off of that. Like I said, I don't I'm assuming, but I could be wrong that you got your y'all got you got a nice little family. Y'all ain't got no, y'all got some family, you got some kids and they look up to you. I don't know if you got sisters or brothers or you know, but I'm quite everybody everybody probably got one. But how is it? Can you go to a family function now? Like if you're having a family reunion. Your family, like grandma and all of them, I don't know if they still alive or not, or just older people in your family, yo, we having a function. Would they feel comfortable with you coming to them functions right now? Of course.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:46

You know, because a lot of family feel like I shouldn't have been put in that situation. You know, and a lot of people, a lot of the world have shifted on the situation once they really found out that I didn't have nothing to do with the situation. You know, a lot of people have shifts, but you know, it's like with social media, you kind of you gotta kind of dummy everything down because you know, I it don't mean because I took the stand that I'm a dummy. It don't mean that I took the because I took the stand that I'm a coward. You know, that's the way people perceive it until a situation arise. And it's just like they say, you know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't leave, have to leave Jacksonville because of what people say, because of what the world says. I don't believe that, you know. And like I say, if I want to, but I ain't never got on the thing, you know, selling out and talking bad. Everything I say, people perceive it as bad. You know, if people perceive it as tough because they know my history. So everything I say, you know, me and my brother could take the same post and write the exact same words on social media. You know, like every everything I say or do, you know, it's gonna be it's gonna come off as, oh, he ain't had that same energy with blah blah squat. You know, I don't, to me, you know, social media ain't real. You know, and I don't, I I care less about emojis, because I'm not in denial. Again, you know, you got to accept whatever you do, you got to accept that. And I have to accept what I did whether I agree with what people say or how people look at it. And I accept that. And it's like anything I say, I'm gonna be justifying. You know, I get on there, I say, you know, I made a post the other day, dudes, y'all picking choosing, you know, who a rat and how he rat it, but you just happy because he ain't rat on you. But y'all picking and choosing, you know, who who's gonna be this and who's gonna be outcast of this. I care nothing about a friend. You know, I don't need, I don't need that. You know, I got I got the people in my life who I need. It always, it's gonna always turn out that way when you get in a situation. It's gonna filter out the fake and the real. Ain't no need of me being phony with nobody. Ain't no need of me, you know, trying to make myself what I want to, I'm 55 years old, what I want to go in a neighborhood for, what I want to go to a club for. What I want to hang out for. I'm I was at a point before I went to jail till I I found my direction of life. Because it takes a long time to find the direction you want to go in life. And I was at that point right there. You know, I got my land, I want to spin a bill on it and do all the things where I can just live like, then boom, this happened.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:33

Wow. I mean, I I don't think I actually I just want to go back real fast and ask you a question. Like, um, let's go back to the the date of trial when you knew that you was ready to get on that stand. Describe for us that that night, that morning, you know, and then the aftermath after being on being on the stand.

SPEAKER_06 1:55:53

Man, I can't describe it, man. You know, it was it was something I never felt before. You know, I can't I can't even format the words for it, you know, and when they brought when they brought me in the courthouse to go to the um the holding cells before court, they had Queso in the holding cell like two doors down from me. And when I was walking past him, he was standing at the door. And I was looking at him, staring at him, staring at him, like, but he wouldn't say nothing back, you know, and I really wanted to tell him, like, man, look, man, don't do this. You know, don't, don't, don't do it. You know, because we done had conversations in jail when passing through, you know. I even asked Ceso in jail, I was like, man, when y'all, what y'all gonna do about me? You know, nobody checked on me in that situation. Nobody ever seen whether I had a lawyer. Nobody ever seen a go seek, nobody never bought my kids, nothing. You know, my bro, my brothers did. I'm I'm gonna take that back, but not like how I think it should have been with certain people. Nobody never came to see whether that I had a great lawyer. Case on them supposedly quote unquote him and Crazy Katie had top, they had top-notch, top-tier lawyers. You know, they had hundred thousand dollar lawyers. You know, and now, you know, everybody feels as if I'm lying on Ace. I have nothing against Ace. I just didn't like the fact when he said, when he made the song saying he went broke paying for K so lawyers. I felt like that was clout because it wasn't true. And just the just as well as they didn't like me taking the stand. So I got a right to not like what I don't like. You know, and always express, I ain't I don't get on social media trying to talk gangster or trying to be gangster because I forfeited that right. And I'm just me, you know, I'm not hiding, I'm adjusting to what it is, and I'm adjusting to this the world now. This is this is a new hustle. Exactly, you know, and and why I can't sit home in front of a camera and make money. Everybody else doing it, everybody else screaming, streaming and making money.

SPEAKER_05 1:58:30

And they're doing it off of lies and propaganda. Right. This ain't nothing but truth and facts.

SPEAKER_06 1:58:34

This this is the godhead truth. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna lie on queso, I'm not gonna lie on crazy, I'm not gonna lie on Scotty. You know, as I said, I didn't put all the evidence that was there. I didn't put all the videos that was there. See, what Queso looked at as entertainment, prosecutor looked at it as confessions.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:02

Let's rewind a little bit though. Now you said you walked past him, right? Right. And he was in the cell. What did you say to him exactly when he was walking past him?

SPEAKER_06 1:59:09

Well, he wouldn't. I just was looking at him trying to get his attention first. And he wouldn't, he wouldn't look back at me. Boom, they put me in the cell next to him, boom, boom. I'm beat on the wall, beating on the wall, trying to, you know, get his attention, you know. And I always raise them to lead their emotions, not let their emotions lead them. And his emotions got the best of him, you know. And I understand his standpoint now, as I say. I'ma always say that understand that, you know, and as time gonna, I can't say time may, time may put a scab over the shoulder, it'll always be a wound there.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:55

Now you walk out at this at the band in the back with him. Do you remember like walking out into the courtroom and what you saw, like the the you know, when you and that feeling?

SPEAKER_06 2:00:05

Man, empty feeling. It's like it's like I'm alive on the outside, but I'm dead on the inside. That feeling. You know, and you know, I surveyed, you know, I walked out and I seen, you know, watching everybody, and and I still I tried to make, you know, eye contact with him and he wouldn't do it. And I felt like that was the only time that Queso was gonna take it serious. Because at one point I felt if I lay down, they'll lay down. Not as if in them telling. They didn't have to tell. They might have had to tell on themselves. But if daddy lay down, because always go off of our relationship that we know in the house. I can't go off of what everybody else thinks about our relationship. You know, and at one point when I say, well, I lay down, they should, they'll probably lay down, they won't. Because I'm already knowing what him, what he's up against, and I don't think he knew crazy know the totality of JSO versus blue. You know, it's it come out the gate, it's gonna be personal because now you blue son. So you're gonna get that person too because it it was personal because of the situation with the officers. You know, once I breach their line with their people, you know, because they people went to prison. They got indicted too on the feds. One got life, one got 17 polices, six, five years, different, you know, things like that. So to them, that's not a black eye to these officers, that's a black eye to the whole force. And I always preach to them, don't let these people get you. Don't let these people get you. If you only knew how many times I have swung on Queso, like literally physically swung on him about social media posters, about things he says on there. You know, if you feel that way, go in there and go in the bathroom and get in that mirror and jump up and down. Don't put it out there. You know, I remember telling my brother one time, man, social media is gonna cost him his life one way or the other. And it's hard living as queso daddy when he was free. Because I don't know when that call is gonna come. To come identify him, the uh uh, or what we went through now. You know, that's a hard job that people don't see the the the um the background of the the the you know the inside scoops of things.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:19

Can they choose like, you know, would you rather just be this case where as though he's in jail, opposed to getting that call of him being harmed in some type of way where as though he's no longer I would rather see him, I would rather see him in jail.

SPEAKER_06 2:03:33

You know, I seen a son on that slab. And and I ain't talking about that prison slab, I'm talking about that semi- that that that that slab slab where it's over slab, you know, and I'd have had to buy a son clothes to be buried in, you know, and I rather would have seen him like this, but I rather wouldn't. I wish I wasn't a part of it. You know, I'm a I'm a part, I'm a part of it, and that's what I hate. You know, do I regret it? Of course. Do I think about it? Of course. Can I change it? No.

SPEAKER_05 2:04:23

If you could change it and go back and do it all over again, would you do the same thing?

SPEAKER_06 2:04:29

Probably. Probably would, because see, it makes man when you when you go when you go to man, when you go to when you go to prison, man, you do all that time, man. It just I don't understand how people can just go back, back, to jail and back. Like, this five years I did on this case, I sat two and a half solid. Solid, solid, trying to let them figure it out. But this time, man, it was it was degrading. And it hit different. Maybe because I was older. And I seen dudes in jail don't care about a 70-year-old man beat beat him to death.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:18

Yes, they will. You know what I'm saying? Three, four people will beat a 70-year-old man to death.

SPEAKER_06 2:05:22

I I when I remember back in the days, man, you can't, you ain't finna touch no old man. Some more young boys. I done sat there and seen him beat the old man, he didn't dry his sink out. Beat the old man, split him up everything, and I'm standing up there like, ain't nobody gonna intervene. Ain't nobody gonna, I'm not finna go there and intervene. You know what I'm saying? But I'm not no young boy, you know what I'm saying? I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm in jail now. I'm gonna fight to defend myself. You know, I'm not gonna just get into nothing and just wanna fight no more because I'm older. And the conversation that you have with these young people in jail, it's no hope fun, man. You know what I'm saying? I hate to say it, but this generation is doomed. And you think I want my six-year-old and seven-year-old to look up to this out here?

SPEAKER_05 2:06:17

No. So when did you been see this, right? This mindset? After testifying on case up, taking this full accountability, or before so, like, hold up, this shit gotta change.

SPEAKER_06 2:06:28

Or did this come about after this whole before, you know, because bro, I hadn't been out of, I hadn't been out of prison since 2009. Hadn't been in no trouble until this case, 2020. None. I wasn't getting in trouble, I wasn't going back to prison. I hated that I got to be around all these strangers, I got to share this toilet with these dudes, and I hate it. I got to hear all these lies every day, and everybody the boss man in here, and you you get the smallest thing could turn to the biggest situation in prison. You know, and I wasn't going back to jail, and then this happened. Man, if I would have known anything about accessory after the fact, man, you know, I still didn't, I promise you, I still didn't think I broke the law when I went and picked them up. All I thought I was gave them a ride. But those people twist that thing around to that I was coming picked them up from a crime scene and took them away from a crime scene.

SPEAKER_05 2:07:33

And helped them try to cover up a crime scene.

SPEAKER_06 2:07:36

Right. You know what I'm saying? And because they wanted me, you know, it made a big difference. It makes a big difference when they want you. It's that's how hard they're gonna come through.

SPEAKER_05 2:07:48

They knew who you were, they they knew you was. You had an extensive run before that even happened, regardless of which when you changed your life, all that, we ain't worried about none of that. What's up with you? Right.

SPEAKER_06 2:07:59

And then we got a chance to see what's up with you. They treated me just as if I went to jail back to back, back to back. They didn't treat me as if, okay, well, well, he's itched out of jail for 10 years or so, or so and so. No, they ain't care nothing about none of that. We're gonna bury you, we're gonna stop your whole bloodline right here with you and your sons. Wow.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:20

It's a crazy situation.

SPEAKER_06 2:08:22

All the big dolls in the prosecutor offices on this case. You know, it's right now, they finna take case over the trial again. They got one witness and his music. And that's what they're gonna use. Wow.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:37

Y'all hear that, man? Lot of the young guys out there who watching Tells from the Jails. This stuff is real. Too real.

SPEAKER_05 2:08:44

I'm talking about, it's so real, not to cut you off, bro, that you think this shit is scripted. If I'm watching this, I'd be like, they up there making that shit up.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:51

Yeah. Like he just said his son is going to going to trial against his own rap music and one witness for a murder.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:01

And he currently has a life in prison.

SPEAKER_06 2:09:04

And guess who the one witness is? Butter, Dominique Bourner.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:09

The same butter that testified. The same one.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:11

His friend. His so-called friend at the time. He's out here.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:15

The same one that testified in the trial that you testified. The wire.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:18

The one put the one put the wire on.

SPEAKER_06 2:09:19

Oh, the one, but that's butter. Yeah, that's Dominique.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:24

Y'all gotta smart up out there, man. You know, we we bring you guys these real stories, these real life, real life scenarios to kind of open your eyes, not just for the youth, but for anybody out there breaking law. Yeah. The jail is filled with good men because situations like this. So, man, it's just unfortunate, man. Um, before we get out of here, I know you did Fed time, man. He liked to ask this this question about people about, you know, certain altercations, you know. So I'm gonna let him take the floor over here.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:52

Um, first and foremost, how long was you in federal custody for? Before I can ask you, I would have. I did 10 years ago. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You good for the crazy, you ripe for the crazy. So to follow that, what I said, uh, I'm quite sure you're familiar with violence in the federal system. Not you actually in the violence, but seeing it. Right. Because me, I think that the uh feds, I don't know what you can say, but the feds is more violent than my state jails. Our state jails, we just gotta worry about Philadelphia dudes, hair. PA. You know what I'm saying? I'm quite sure it's probably like that in Florida. Um you the feds, you're dealing with a whole wide range of niggas. Right. To my understanding, would you agree? I totally. I'm talking about down south, uh, uh New York, DC, Philly, uh, Midwest. I'm talking about the let's keep going. Um, so this is one of the things that makes it more violent, right? Um, and I see have you ever seen violence as far as though a person getting stabbed? A few times. A person getting locked and socked? A few times. Now, I want you to put yourself in these shoes. These are this is just a hypothetical question that I asked dudes that have been to jail and seen this. If you had an altercation with a man in there, right? Y'all going back and forth, y'all disrespecting each other, calling each other out each other out their name, whatever, whatever. And then, you know, y'all, y'all calm it down though. Somewhere along the line, y'all calm down, y'all chill, y'all get a little understanding, and you go this way, he go this way. Now, you watch the TV because you thinking the altercation is over. You watch the TV, your my your attention is at the TV. Dude, he he still wants trouble. Unbeknown to you. And he's coming up behind you. And there is nothing you can do, you just because you're paying attention to the TV. And you're to the bad right now. When I'm when I say to the bad, meaning you asked out because you don't see him coming. If you could pick what kind of weapon he used during this silent attack on you, and you seen both knife and lock and sock, which one would you rather him have? That knife or that lock and sock? That knife. And I I agree. Why? Why?

SPEAKER_06 2:12:01

Tell him why. Man, I just seen the joke get hit with that lock. Knock the combination off of it. I don't know what's in that lock.

SPEAKER_05 2:12:07

Man, tell me, tell him. Tell him what that locker do.

SPEAKER_06 2:12:10

Man, that lock gonna, man. I done seen that lock make a dude do the crib walk.

SPEAKER_05 2:12:16

Wow. Stay free, man. Please stay free. And everybody is getting that lock.

SPEAKER_06 2:12:22

And man, to the daddies out there, man. You know, stop saying what you won't do and what you will do in a situation that you ain't been in because you don't know. What you need to do is ask God not to put you in that situation.

SPEAKER_05 2:12:44

I respect that. Yeah, I respect that wholeheartedly.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:48

Anything else you want to leave, uh, you know, uh leave?

SPEAKER_05 2:12:50

Any advice that you got, like other than that, other than that for the youth, for grown men such as us, women, you know, that's out here and need that because we we we do this for awareness. We're not promoting, glorifying, none of this. We bring you all types of things that happen in the jail. You have dudes that went to trial and stood up, you have dudes that went to trial and cooperated, you have dudes that went to just just in there, whatever. But we're giving you all aspects of jail. From you, your knowledge of being in jail, you being an older man, you home now. What advice would you give the people that's still out there thinking that they can, you know, shimmy across that line and shimmy across this line?

SPEAKER_06 2:13:28

One thing that I don't agree with is people acting like the game has just got over with. The game been over with. And if it wasn't over with seven or eight years ago, it was definitely on life support. And my thing for the parents and for the for the brothers that's been locked up, it's no such thing as making up for time. Time is what it is, it's gone. Set some barriers between you and your sons. If you know what your son out there doing, he's a grown man. And try. That's all you can do because at some point his mind already made up of who he's gonna be.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:17

Wow. Yeah. So man, listen, you want to thank everybody who's been tuning in and tell us from the jails. You know, this is a uh, you know, very, very unique episode because this case is worldwide. I mean, it was on CNN, you name it. It was everywhere. And now you guys got an opportunity to really hear from Blue, you know, the father of Queso, uh, and his thoughts on why he did what he did, or his thoughts on, you know, why his son should have done this or what happened with his sons in the whole situation. So, you know, you guys can have your opinion, but you know, sometimes, you know, we gotta really understand the story before you can have your opinion, in my opinion. You know what I mean? So, you know what you want to add, Mr. Jackson, to it?

SPEAKER_05 2:14:58

Oh man, stay free, man. Stay free, man. Uh, I thought I was gonna have to come up here and grab on blue ass and knock his ass out today, man. But you know, blue, yeah, I mean, like I said, man, you know, certain things I don't agree with. I stand, you know, with certain principles and certain things. I I I I see, I understand certain things and certain things I don't. And this is just the codes of the streets, man. This is just it is what it is, regardless of what I see or what I understand. One point that you get, this goes on at a lower rate. For sure. And that's just it.

SPEAKER_06 2:15:28

Yeah, it ain't just started here.

SPEAKER_05 2:15:30

No, hell fuck no. It ain't stopping either.

SPEAKER_06 2:15:34

And I don't want nobody out there that's watching to think that I'm justifying anything, you know, any decision I make, I'm gonna stand tall on it. You know, whether you like it or not, or whether whoever likes it or not, you know, at some point when you ain't in the streets, when do the cold stop? You know, and that's it. You know, the game been over with. The game ain't just got over with, the game ain't just been exploited. You can go back to cases in 1905, they was telling. So, and I ain't saying it to make it right. So don't twist my words around.

SPEAKER_04 2:16:09

Well, listen, y'all, y'all heard it here first, man. I want to thank everybody for tuning in to Tell us from the Gels and uh, you know, Tells from the Gels once again sponsored by TNS Media Group. And we appreciate you for uh allowing us to come to Florida to sit with you and talk to you, man. And um, you know, you're welcome to uh reach out to us anytime. How can people get in contact with you before we go? If they wanted to positive stuff, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 2:16:31

Or what that ain't gonna happen, but I'm still you know, I'm I'm I'm HOP reroute, you know, on Instagram. And like you say, man, positive stuff, man, because the negative stuff really ain't gonna matter. Because I'm not trying to act like that wasn't me on the stand. I know that was me. Did I like it? No. That you know, what made my boat float ain't gonna make y'all's boat flow. You know.

SPEAKER_04 2:17:01

Well, listen, yo, y'all heard it here first. It tells him the jails, we out of here.