RICO DA DON X LIL MU : TALES FROM THE JAILS LIVE !!!!

Lil Mu opens up on Tales From The Jails about surviving being shot twice at just 15 years old, losing people close to him, and watching friends like Baby Wick, 1K, and Reek 1200 face serious time behind bars. He speaks on the pain of losing YBC Dul to gun violence, the reality of growing up around the streets, and how those experiences shaped his mindset.

In this powerful conversation, Lil Mu also reacts to a shocking call from F5 and opens up about his best friend Curry receiving a 40–80 year sentence. This episode is raw, emotional, and real as Lil Mu reflects on loyalty, loss, survival, and the consequences that come with street life.

Tap in for another unforgettable episode of Tales From The Jails.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_10 1:30

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SPEAKER_10 2:31

It's Telves from the Gels. We're here live. And part of me will say TNS Media Group is a team in the family. You know, you got my counterpart, Mr. Braheem Jackson. You know, uh, we're here today. We got two special guests. Tell them who you are, if y'all could, man. Tell everybody who y'all are. Me and my name Lil Mo.

SPEAKER_04 2:49

Rico De Don.

SPEAKER_10 2:50

Rico De Don and Lil Mo here today to talk to us, man. Because I just want to say this too before we start. Once again, you know, uh, for those who uh watch Tells and Just, they gotta understand that our podcast is built to deter individuals from going to prison, to deter the youth from being killed out here in these streets. We're not here to glorify anything. Some of these people here may be affiliated with certain people or certain uh situations, but we're here to spread the message because not all every situation is is uh is explained, and the young guys are here to explain it for those who don't know. So, y'all from where? Philly? What part of Philly y'all from?

SPEAKER_02 3:26

West Philadelphia. Bottom.

SPEAKER_10 3:28

Bottom, West Philly. That's what we we from West Philly as well. Um so uh you guys, you know, have been, I don't want to say affiliated, but you know, a lot of your family member, your uh your family member is was YBC Duel, correct? Yeah, that's your that's your that's your blood brother. And how are y'all how are y'all related?

SPEAKER_04 3:44

My pop.

SPEAKER_10 3:45

Okay. And I had a um I met you a few times, but I just recently met you. I just spoke to you about, I met you, uh, it was at Daryl Schuler gym. And I remember sitting down talking to you, and Morrison was talking to you was talking to talking to black mother, but I remember you were sitting there kind of separated from everybody, sitting on your own time, and then you was mentioning that you just needed an outlet, or you wanted to find an outlet, find something where you can do something different with your life. So, since that last time seeing you, what have you been? What's what's been going on with you?

SPEAKER_04 4:16

Um, I was trying to reach out to a couple of the guys that was at that um that was there just to get like help with some trademarks. You feel me? They said like nonprofits, a lot of the stuff they was telling us, like they was trying to help us, but it's like, I mean, everybody gonna make it seem like they not bad guys, but it's like we just it we just be defending, you feel me? It comes with the territory. We men, you feel me? You got some or just in a certain hit a hood, women, whatever, it's gonna be a lot of things that come with it. But for the most part, we be trying to push the needle, you feel me? Properties, put money up, whatever we could do, you just to get out the city. I try and go out in New York, Airbnb, whatever we could do to push the needle. But it's like since then, you feel me, just a little like this non-profit on a fathership tip. But it would have been way more if it was like if we had the resources, you feel me? Just like not no finances or nothing, but just like if somebody got could connect some dots, you feel me? Know somebody that knows somebody.

SPEAKER_11 5:09

Pull the mic a little bit close to you when you talking. Yeah. Like somebody around, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:14

Somebody that knows somebody, you feel me? I hit a couple guys up that was there at the James Tuller's joint, I just was asking for resources. Mean like nothing more or nothing less, you feel me? Now I let it be known, like just asking for resources. Y'all said, y'all gave us the numbers for the I ain't come up to nobody to force them to give me their number, but it's like multiple dudes said we here for the betterment of the community, you feel me? And it was like, what y'all need? I spoke up that day to let people know, like I'm a leader on this side, and it's like all of us don't be just strictly on um illiterators, you feel me? Like some of us that be out here trying to push the needle, indulging in different things outside to bring it back to the team to better us off. You feel me? Like he ain't watch the other.

SPEAKER_10 5:52

Okay, now you miss my first time meeting you as well. And um, you know, I and I understand, you know, coming from West Philly as a kid and him as well, you know, every part of Philly is rough, really, like especially in the urban communities. Our communities is filled with drugs, violence, crime, whatever the case may be. And coming from those communities, a lot of times, like you said, the resources is not really there. It's not really very very much opportunity. And now that's not an excuse for us to go out here breaking law and doing certain things, but sometimes the wrong thing can look very, very attractive to somebody who's poor, somebody who don't have anything. But I think we gotta try to figure out a way to balance it out. And somehow, you know, more people gotta be more involved in the community, more involved with the children, more involved with, you know, provide opportunities, you know, for trades or whatever the case may be. Now you said you were there and it was different guys to who who reached out to you or said or gave the gave that number or gave a contact to reach out to you. Now I'm telling you now on the platform now that you're here with me. Whatever I can do, um, you know, after you leave here, before you leave here, whatever I can do, I'm gonna assist y'all with that if I can. Now, you you you just come you just came home?

SPEAKER_02 7:01

Yeah, I just came home.

SPEAKER_10 7:02

So you talk to the mic. So how you just came from from upstate or or would you?

SPEAKER_02 7:05

No, I just came home from the county.

SPEAKER_10 7:06

Okay. And how much time was you in the county for if you could speak about that?

SPEAKER_02 7:10

Uh I was in the county for a VOOFA charge, gun charge. That's a uh then I uh uh in the county while doing my time for the gun charge, headquarter, uh recharge for a stabbing.

SPEAKER_10 7:21

Inside the jail?

SPEAKER_02 7:22

Yeah, in charge.

SPEAKER_10 7:23

Is is the county jails really that radical like like that right now? Is it really that bad?

SPEAKER_11 7:27

Like I ain't even gonna lie, that's the but hold on, hold on, hold on. Before you continue, he's uh is you a gang affiliate? Is you like what they like to say? Like I'm gonna be honest. I want you to be all the way.

SPEAKER_02 7:40

I'm gonna be honest. Like we gotta get over the game. If you ask me, no, but like the way they're gonna paint it. Right. Yeah, of course, you feel me? Exactly. What they say are you you out of the YBC or the. Yeah, they try to put everybody, everybody, any gang that's affiliated with down the bottom.

SPEAKER_11 7:54

So I'm quite sure you got a couple friends that's in that joint with you. Yeah, for sure. I still got a lot of made it out, and then you got a couple friends. I know you gotta outlook one things on it. Yeah, how we talked about earlier as far as and you know, with certain things that we come from, certain things that we do in life, not to make it right, but to get where we got to go. But from your standpoint, from seeing all your friends, like, you know, the baby yops and the FS the Mendel, like I'm quite sure you got a relationship with these dudes. Oh, yeah. I heard a couple times about, you know, if you want to explain about a shooting incident that happened where you got shot, you know what I'm saying, for being there for, you know, a member of yours. But I want you to talk about stuff like this, man, to get an audience a ride a range of what you was involved in and where you're trying to go to. Okay, okay. You know what I'm saying? As far as in your life coming up, going to jail. Like, what was you caught up with with your friends and you wanted to see a way out to?

SPEAKER_02 8:43

All right, but. Nah, but uh, I thought I was saying about that county jail shit. I ain't never gonna lie, bro. There's vicious in there right now. Like, it ain't even me for the week right now. Like, if you ain't ready to go in there and put your back against the wall, grab the closest piece of metal and go at this every single day, watch your back every single day, or be on point every single day, like not knowing what can happen every single day, then might as well change your lane. Get out of the lane that could lead you anywhere near that county jail or upstate in any type of sub, period. Like, just change your old draw because it ain't for the week at all.

SPEAKER_04 9:20

Like, gladiator school.

SPEAKER_02 9:22

I don't care what y'all think y'all got going on out here, these dudes y'all see out here, the picture they paint out here and all that, that picture get erased and drawn over again once you walk through them doors. It ain't no guns, it ain't no 10 deep, 50 deep with your homies. It ain't none of that. It's just you and that wrist man.

SPEAKER_10 9:39

So inside these uh these juvenile facilities, right? Because I know I'm gonna get to his point, uh, or his question that he asked you as well, but inside these, these, these actual these facilities that that these um, you know, I don't think it was juvenile. It was I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I mean say juvenile. I'm instead of county facility. I'm sorry, it's county jails for adults. Um a lot of y'all actually to me while I was thinking that because a lot of y'all kids, y'all young kids, really, like y'all still 19, 20. How old are you?

SPEAKER_02 10:05

I'm 21.

SPEAKER_10 10:06

How old are you?

SPEAKER_02 10:07

25.

SPEAKER_10 10:07

Yeah, so y'all, y'all still young. I won't have to be be your your father. But the thing about it is this when y'all going into these facilities, right, and y'all going up against each other. Is it any point where or any time where people are like thinking, like, man, it ain't worth it. Is it ever that conversation?

SPEAKER_02 10:22

Yo, it's crazy, bro. It it be like that. It honestly do be like that. And that's what a lot of these dudes they gonna admit to, right? Like during a certain time, like, all right, you now been in here five, six months. We in a small, a small environment. It ain't too many places you can hide or go tuck in it. You know what I'm saying? So y'all gonna see each other. It ain't no avoiding it, you know what I'm saying? Y'all probably fight once, fight twice, going on to the third fight, y'all both hesitant to even do anything now. You know what I'm saying? We now fought two, three times just to the point like y'all know y'all don't want to do it. But just the simple, y'all gonna do it just off the simple fact y'all ain't be trying to be called turkeys or or you ain't tip or you ain't move out for the guys, or you don't want no outside party looking in, saying like, oh, those niggas beef and them niggas turkey and all that. You know, everything that's in the jail happened in the jail is best belief is gonna come out the jail for sure. So a lot of them dudes that's in there that's when we got beefs and all that and running into these apps and all that, they don't really want to do that. They just forced to do it off of peer pressure, honestly.

SPEAKER_10 11:19

Wow. Now, I want to ask a question. Like, when when do y'all think this actual uh you know gang stuff started? Like what year do you think it really like whereas though I I don't want to say no names, but when do you think this stuff really like started whereas though is different gangs? Like, you know, uh this the this section, this section, when do you think it really like took off?

SPEAKER_04 11:42

I mean, I was gonna let you, I was gonna let you, you mean, but real for real started before before us, you feel me? The dudes I looked up to, you feel me? Like, I mean, like people make it seem like each generation coming up is worse than the ones that's came before them, but it's like I didn't, I ain't the oldest, but it's like I ain't seen it all. But from what I seen, it's like the guys I used to be looking up to, you feel me? They used to tell me go in the crib. I'm on Mount Vernon Street, you feel me? Yo, go in the crib, we about to be shooting down this junk. Five, six, I'm thinking it's a game. You feel me? To come back outside and my same old head that told me go in the crib, he dead. You feel me? But even told me to do this so many times, you would never know. Like, yo, somebody they they really shooting at each, like, you feel me? This I'm five, four years old at this time, you feel me? But it's like, even not to incriminate nobody, but like air ad, you feel me? I used to listen to Air Ab like growing up before Chief Keefe even came out. Like DVD days, you feel me? Like, I'm in a crib watching DVDs, you feel me? Same stuff they say. We doing this, like I done seen literally people, but dudes I used to look up to or in the hood, out the hood, do it.

SPEAKER_10 12:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:52

I remember TI got booked with like 20 guns. You feel me? Like happened before us. I'm gonna be honest.

SPEAKER_02 12:59

To me, like when I first started seeing that shit come around for real, like when I seen it take a real like crazy turn, and it had to be door P We D's 2020. 2020 was probably like that's to me, that was probably one of the craziest years of my whole life. 2020 is when everything changed.

SPEAKER_10 13:15

Wow. Now, YBC Duel, right? A lot of people may not know him, how y'all know him, but the outside kind of looking in, we'll look at it and say like YBC, YBC Duel was the um, I would say like the biggest gang member in the city of Philadelphia, right? With the YBC, so forth and so on. How did y'all look at look at dual as far as you know, outside of what they may have been portraying him to be? How did y'all look at look at him?

SPEAKER_02 13:45

Be honest, bro. I gotta be like blatantly honest. Uh annoying big brother, that's all like all that other shit. Yeah. Yeah, just an annoying big brother. Just annoying like nothing else to say about it. That's all that's uh you're just annoying big brother.

SPEAKER_10 14:01

Like so for you, how for you as far as looking at, you know, the way they the way they may have perceived him to be the biggest gang member or the the the leader of this whole, you know, what they say, all the killing that happened and so forth and so on.

SPEAKER_04 14:17

I mean, like that's Arabian gonna judge the book by the cover, you feel me? Some people go and see what they say, but it's like they saying stuff about Arabi for the most part. Like any you you could kick up some dust and find something fake, true, or whatever, and through the internet, you'll never know. But it's like for the most part, I ain't gonna lie, we be getting a lot of love. You feel me? Yeah. In the city, out this like we get a lot of love. Like, people, people understand we young. I mean, they be seeing us in them, so it's like they know we ain't out here just throwed off, ruthless. You feel me? They probably understand like these young boys doing what they probably gotta do, and then they meet us and they be like, no, these young boys got hair on their shoulders, not like they really out here, they really ain't got no dudes is coming around to act like the act like they're gonna help us for clout, and they don't, and that'll leave us looking like we just violin and ruthless. When it's like, no, every resource outlet we had is like dudes are back up off us, but it's like we get shown a lot of love, bro's a good dude. A lot of us good dudes over here when people rub shoulders with us, they see we good dudes.

SPEAKER_10 15:26

There was a if there was a uh a viral clip of uh Wab B Sue Do, I believe, or or so to so to speak, saying it was him. He's at like a grave site or so forth and so on, yeah, and supposedly been stomping on somebody's grave or something that of that sort. Um, for me, that's when I really took notice to really what was going on. When I somebody showed me that I I forget what year that was, but they showed that to me. Do you think that was like the the point to where as though everything started going crazy for y'all as far as the streets?

SPEAKER_02 15:56

Nah, be honest, it already been was already crazy before then. Like it was crazy way, way, way before then. Like way before that even video even came out. Life now already hit us hard like crazy.

SPEAKER_04 16:11

And it wasn't nobody. Like when I seen he was shooting a vid, he wanted me to slide, but I was in a crib with my son. I couldn't make it, but somebody was recording on the phone. I seen him with the shovel digging up dirt. You feel me? Yeah, and I caught like I called because I'm like, you tripping, you feel me? Like, and he, I'm thinking like he really digging up something, you mean, but bro, like, bro, smarter than this, you feel me? Bro, like I never, you feel me? Like, it be just just entertainment. Like a lot of times, people looking at it for bigger than what it is, but it's like when Hollywood put these same type horrific stories in front of our face, we take our kids to go see him. We take our nephews to go see him, you feel me? But when we young boys trying to come up, do production in the same fashion on a smaller scale, we get like but no, never can't bliterate it. We but but you take we love Denzel.

SPEAKER_11 17:00

Ah, but yeah, but this shit happened in real life, though. That's a movie. It's a that's a movie.

SPEAKER_04 17:06

I got that's five.

SPEAKER_11 17:08

Who that it's five?

SPEAKER_10 17:09

That's five, man. It's five. Uh give him the phone so we can connect it to the joint.

SPEAKER_11 17:15

No, he can he can put it right there with him.

SPEAKER_10 17:16

Put it to the mic, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:18

Yeah, yeah, you you on his john, slam our legum.

SPEAKER_11 17:22

Give it give it give it give the phone to him. We can ask him who he is and yeah, tell him who who it is.

SPEAKER_10 17:28

Hey, what's going on? How you doing, man? So they go. Hey, what's going on? Uh this tall feek, man. You uh you're here live on Tells from the Jails uh podcast. You know, we just want to ask you a few questions, man. Uh where are you currently um incarcerated at?

unknown 17:46

My Forrest.

SPEAKER_10 17:47

Yeah, Forrest.

SPEAKER_11 17:48

What's his name? Well, yeah, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_10 17:50

Tell her about who you are. For those who don't know people probably don't know who you are, because they we didn't tell them who you are, but who are you?

unknown 17:55

Five.

SPEAKER_10 17:57

That's five? The biggest buddy, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 17:59

The biggest buddy.

SPEAKER_04 18:01

F five.

SPEAKER_10 18:02

F F five. F five. F is in Frank, F five, okay. So so you you're serving time at Forest right now. Uh what do you what do you what are you serving time for?

unknown 18:13

Serving time for a hat.

SPEAKER_10 18:16

A hat and what for those who don't know, what's a hat? And uh what's the current sentence?

SPEAKER_09 18:26

I'm on my way, that's all I can drink. I'm on my way until I really get dang.

SPEAKER_10 18:35

What's that mean? You coming home or you know, what's that mean? Okay. Now, um what now what what if you can't speak about it, who are you affiliated? What what gang were you affiliated fe affiliated with in order to uh you know where they you know where they label you at under? Was it YBC? What gang is it? Okay. And how long have you been down? Five years. Now, you're down for a murder, um, and you've been down for five years. What's what's been the biggest transition for you being being incarcerated? Like, you know, what's you know, what advice or or what's what's going on with your head? Well, I'm actually this because I know I know I I'm listening to you talk. Has has it really hit you that that you serving time for a murder right now?

SPEAKER_06 19:28

Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_10 19:32

Now, being our hair, being our hair on the streets now, you you know, and and now have your freedom taken away. You say, yeah, of course it has hit you.

SPEAKER_00 19:40

Um This is a call from Pennsylvania State Correctional Institution for us, this call is subject to recording and monitoring.

SPEAKER_10 19:49

Yeah, and you said that that it that it hit you. And what in what way has it has it affected you? You know, uh mentally, whatever. How how has it affected you being incarcerated for murder?

SPEAKER_09 20:15

How old are you like?

SPEAKER_11 20:21

How old are you?

SPEAKER_09 20:24

Twenty-three.

SPEAKER_10 20:25

Um twenty-three years old. Now uh my counterpart uh uh Black Brahim, he said, Do you have any regrets? You don't have any regrets behind you know uh you know being incarcerated for murder? So it's no it's nothing that you think about like your mom being out here, your siblings, excuse me.

SPEAKER_09 20:49

I ain't gonna regret my mom rocking. I ain't got a regret.

SPEAKER_10 20:57

Now um I'm gonna ask you this. Let's go back to your trial a little bit where you where you was actually, you know, um sentenced. Was anybody that testified against you or or how did how were you convicted?

SPEAKER_09 21:09

No, I took a deal.

SPEAKER_10 21:12

Okay. All right, so you took a deal. Now, with these type of situations, right, I'm gonna ask you this. Now, if you was to come home the day or tomorrow, do you think that you, you know, being incarcerated, that your mentality would change a little a little bit for you, or is though you would want to do something different with yourself?

SPEAKER_09 21:26

I'm gonna tell you some real shit. Because everybody asked me the same question over and over again. Listen, I ain't get there yet, I ain't get home, right? So I can't tell you I got good intentions, but I can't tell you what I'm gonna do. I ain't get there yet. I just was home, all the bills is alive, you feel me? Like, they go.

SPEAKER_00 21:43

So it's like this is a call from Pennsylvania state correctional institution for us. This call is something to be good.

SPEAKER_09 21:50

You don't know what you're like I said, I got good intentions, but I don't know, I ain't get there yet.

SPEAKER_10 21:56

What what now you said your mom your mom rocking with you, you know. What do you think she might want you to do if you if she if you were to come home on day of the moral? What do you think she would want you to do if would you if you was to get out?

SPEAKER_09 22:09

She thinks she's gonna do right.

SPEAKER_10 22:14

And now that you're incarcerated, right? A lot of times people go to jail, and you know, a lot of times uh friends and family people forget about you. Have you experienced that being an incarcerated?

SPEAKER_09 22:25

Of course, everybody goes to their shit like that's what it is.

SPEAKER_10 22:33

Now uh being incarcerated and being upstate, is it the same energy that's out like for example, like you know, people say they have ops and they say they got people that they beefing with?

SPEAKER_11 22:46

Is it a way we can still hook him up because people can't hear him?

SPEAKER_10 22:48

They can't hear him?

SPEAKER_11 22:49

Yeah, is it a way we can still because he got a 15-minute call.

SPEAKER_10 22:52

Uh we're gonna try to, but uh now being incarcerated, right? Is there any way? I mean, I'm that uh no, you know how you in the streets and is and it's beefing the streets. Is it the same energy in jail with somebody that you may see out on the streets you may have a problem with, or is it different?

SPEAKER_03 23:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 23:13

No, not really. Niggas be tough. You know, everything for our generation, like it's like niggas be doing some shit for image, right? When you run across some niggas that's really on that shit, them niggas be bitching. Niggas ain't gonna tell y'all they bitches, but them niggas be bitching. They don't be who they claim to be on the internet.

SPEAKER_10 23:34

Now, you know, th this this may be a lot of guys listen looking up to you, F5, uh, being incarcerated, a lot of young boys out here that's, you know, possibly on their way in there, you know, possibly, you know, on their way to to the grave, you know, living living a life of, you know, of you know, with this the street mentality. What advice would you get to them? Is something that you can tell that you can say to them, even though you say you're not there yet? Is it something that you may want to say to them to stop them from actually embarking upon that actual road as well that you have taken?

SPEAKER_09 24:04

Think twice about this this shit real. This is this way deep into the image and just because of bringing bitches and all of that. This shit real. This should be twice about this shit. All around.

SPEAKER_11 24:21

What's real? What's real about it? What's real? What's real about what's real about it?

SPEAKER_09 24:28

Like homie dying, right? This is real. It's like this like a different time. This is a young thing. This is different. This is way different in here. What was no good to him?

SPEAKER_10 24:42

What was the what was the um the thing that you would say that was your I have arrived moment in the prison? What was it that that made you feel like, damn, this is I'm in jail.

SPEAKER_09 25:05

This shit definitely in a way. I ain't gonna stand popping like this shit through. This shit in a way all around.

SPEAKER_10 25:12

And you knowing that, right? I know you said that, you know, you know, you don't know because you're not you're not out here, but knowing that, and if you say like, all right, I'm not gonna do this because I can do this and it's gonna lead me back to going uh back to prison. Your mind should be partially made up about what you want to do is at least at least not go to jail, uh if I can say that.

SPEAKER_09 25:30

Oh no, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_10 25:32

That's for sure. Let me ask you a question. I know you spoke about your mom. Was your father in your life?

unknown 25:38

No, I don't really fuck about you.

SPEAKER_10 25:40

Uh got any kids or anything?

SPEAKER_11 25:42

Any girl?

SPEAKER_10 25:43

What why you say why you see um with your father? He just wasn't around or you y'all just didn't get along.

SPEAKER_09 25:49

That nigga damn, like fuck on, like, next question.

SPEAKER_10 25:52

Right. Um, you got any kids out here?

SPEAKER_09 25:56

No, I ain't got no kids.

SPEAKER_10 26:01

You know, you know, I I hear you, you know, I'm like, you this this is a young guy, man, and you know, when I when I hear you talk, I mean, I I feel like, you know, like I want to help you, man, you know, and I understand that sometimes, you know, we'd be brought up in certain situations where we can't really, we don't really see like like when I was young, your age, I didn't really see things the way I see them now. But after my my guys going to jail, my guys being killed, and things of that nature, I wanted to change and do things different, man. You know, I just hope that, you know, whenever you do get out, because I because you said you just you took a deal, so I'm assuming you're gonna be coming home for some time. Come home soon. But I just I just hope that you take your time that you're in there, man, and and and use your mind and want to come home different. Let me ask you this, right? You you you took a deal for a murder. Do you feel you know remorse for the for the person of the family that was harmed at at all?

unknown 26:55

No comment. No comment.

SPEAKER_10 26:58

Okay. Now, um, I got your guys up here, right? You know, uh, you know, your brothers, you know, they up here and uh, you know, we're speaking about about uh uh YBC dual. And I'm assuming that that was a close confidant or friend of yours, man, or a brother of yours, right?

unknown 27:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 27:16

Now you were incarcerated when he was when he was murdered?

unknown 27:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 27:20

How did you feel when you got the call um that he was that he was murdered?

SPEAKER_09 27:27

Fuck me up, I ain't gonna lie. That's a big part of the game, bro. That's a lot of man, like bro.

SPEAKER_10 27:41

Do you remember where you was at exactly when you got the news that he um that he passed away? That he was murdered rather?

unknown 27:46

I was in the many yard. I was in a man yard.

SPEAKER_10 27:55

And and you and you and Duel, y'all was, you know, y'all was close. Y'all was y'all was real close like like a lot of the uh other guys, you know, out here like no like Yop and them. And now you hear about this this indictment with uh FS the Bender, Yop, and a lot of other guys that's on this and uh this in this state indictment. How did you how do you feel about that? Knowing that them guys is gonna be fighting for their lives, you know, because you know his murders on his murders that's mentioned, is a lot of things going on with that with that uh that case. How do you feel about that?

SPEAKER_09 28:29

That shit nutty.

unknown 28:31

That shit nutty.

SPEAKER_09 28:32

Motherfucker be telling that shit that should be nutty, huh? But just the game, this will come with it.

SPEAKER_10 28:39

How do you feel knowing that, you know, um a lot of guys that you that you that you knew that you grew up with is is gonna be it's a big chance. There's gonna be a lot of guys on that case that's gonna be telling m probably from the other side or maybe from y'all side as well. How do you feel knowing that you know some of the guys that you that you've been around are gonna be probably testifying against their own brothers in this case? Because this because Uncle Larry's gonna try to put the pressure on everybody and try to make people tell. How do you feel about that?

unknown 29:09

Niggas damn.

SPEAKER_09 29:16

Ain't nobody tell y'all niggas signed up for this shit. Y'all signed up for this thing. Y'all damn you.

SPEAKER_10 29:22

Hmm. Wow. Yeah, man. So for you and and and being in this type of situation, man, you know, and Bobby, listening, Bobby, listening to you, man. I ain't gonna lie, man. I'm concerned for you, man. I I just feel like, you know, I just feel like, you know, I want you, I just want to give you some advice if I can, man. I want you just to try to, you know, take your time that you're in there, man, and try to better yourself, man, because you know, I haven't met you personally, so I don't know you personally, so I'm not gonna never judge you and place, you know, uh a label on you. But I just hear you, and I and I know you're a young guy, African-American, like myself, and you're Muslim. And I I I hear you, and I'm like, damn, I like I want to figure out a way to way to help this this kid, man. Because I know how serious jail is, but life in life in general, I'm not serious it is. And me listening to you, I just I just don't think that you have actually grasped it or understand what's going on right now because I'm gonna tell you that.

SPEAKER_09 30:19

I'm tired of this shit.

unknown 30:22

This shit. This shit is bullshit, man. Like shit, nutty.

SPEAKER_09 30:29

But listen, hey, Rico and um, I like y'all niggas, bro.

SPEAKER_04 30:32

Why you talking about it?

SPEAKER_11 30:35

Why they come out you know what's crazy about that, man? And and and this is a brother of yours, man. And I was young in his age, and I get his accountability and standing on it. I get all that. I get all the bravado, but he's a child, man. He's a child with a a life sentence, man.

SPEAKER_10 30:55

I don't think I don't think I don't think I got life.

SPEAKER_11 30:57

What do you got? No, I don't got wells. He got a lot of numbers? No, he don't got a lot of numbers. He's gonna be back out here. Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm not I'm not, I'm talking about what's on that paper right now, though. That's all I'm saying. We only know what's on that paper. Yeah, yeah. I've been in there 21 years. I was supposed to do nine more behind that, but the laws got changed. But until the laws got changed, I was doing all that goddamn time. I did 21 of them. But that brings me to a point, man, because you know, we see him. Uh, what's your age a little more? I want them to know you a little bit more. What's your age? I'm 21. 21, right? And you came up through a lot, man. I'm hearing that you've been shot two times before. Yeah, I've been shot nine times in total. In total. In total. When the first time, how old was you when the first time you got shot? 15. 15? How many times you got shot at 15, bro? One. I mean, when I was 15, I got shot nine times. Nine times at 15. Yeah, nine times. Oh, so this is the nine that you took in total.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

Yeah, I got shot four days apart. September 1st, September 8th.

SPEAKER_11 31:55

And both of these is 15 years old. 15.

SPEAKER_10 31:57

Let me let me ask you a question, man. You know, you said that. Like, this is crazy, bro. Getting shot. You 15 years old and got shot nine times.

SPEAKER_11 32:03

Nine times. And then got shot four days later.

SPEAKER_10 32:07

Damn.

SPEAKER_11 32:08

Bro, like this.

SPEAKER_10 32:09

What happened the first? Like, do you do you remember, do you remember the incident, the first time being shot? What happened?

SPEAKER_02 32:14

Yeah, you don't forget shit like that.

SPEAKER_10 32:16

What happened? Not saying no names, but what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 32:18

Put a mic to you. Put a mic to you. I'm for sure. Uh it wasn't, that shit started off as a normal day. You feel me? Woke up. Uh, no, I'm lying. My male little quad, my male little quad was talking about uh turning himself in. He was on the run for two years. So he was talking about turning himself in. He was tired of them kicking in his mob crib and all that. So we like, yeah, we gotta get something together, we gotta get something going. What he's on the run for? Uh I can't remember right now at the moment, but it was some like some petty shit. But yeah, just on the run and all that. He like, yeah, we gotta get something going, bro. Before I turn myself in, I'm gonna have to sit for like 24 months, 23 months. He wasn't going to like know a double police I'm in jail or not. He was just going to policement. So I'm like, uh, all right, bet that's what we're gonna do. I'm gonna get my mom and I'm gonna set something up. We're gonna send you out with a bang. That's what ended up happening. It got around 6 o'clock. I don't really even remember how everybody got there. All I know is I turned around, everybody there, it's just all the guys there, like everybody. So we out there, females out there, there's niggas out there, you feel me? Everybody out there, there's family members out there, my little sister out there, uh, female cousins and all that. I got shot with my girl cousin. Uh yeah, so long story short, though, uh I'm standing in the middle of the street and all that. My little sister uh come across the street. I went to go walk her back across the street, grab her hand, walk her across the street, look for the two cars and all that. Alright, cool. Let her go. When I let her go, turn my head. I thought I course something on my peripheral. I didn't see her no more once I turned, though. Mind you, I'm uh was smoking weed and all that. We was drinking liquor, we was doing all taste of shit. So 15. Yeah, 15 years old. That's what we was on. I mean, so uh I was doing all taste of shit. So the drugs was fucking with my body crazy. So I'm thinking, maybe, man, I probably seeing shit and all that. Should have taken heed to that though. Uh probably like two minutes later. I know I meant like 30 seconds later, once I turned my back and stopped looking from that direction, first shot went on, first shot instantly hit me. I didn't even know what happened. Like, I'm 15 years old. I don't know what that shit hit me right here in my leg. When it hit me in my leg, my whole leg died on me. Like I couldn't even feel it. Like it was just a it was just that shit, you feel me? I down there died. I went to turn, feel me, seeing a nigga behind me, seeing the nigga on the side of me, another nigga in front of me, whatever. Uh then second shot go off. Watch my girl, little cousin uh Z Baby, she got shot. She fall or whatever. I take off, man. How old was she? She was uh a year under me, 14. So uh take off, whatever. Try to get away from them or whatever and all that. I had my gun on me and all that and just was like a gun at 15 years old. Uh gun, 15 years old. I was already arrested for a gun before that. I just came home from placement. Literally, I just did a year in policement or two years in policement for a gun.

SPEAKER_10 35:07

Wow. And your sister got shot as well. Yeah. And your mom, I know she probably you not only you getting shot, but your little sister got shot. What was her reaction to that?

SPEAKER_02 35:18

Truth be told, bro, that I never seen my mom the same after that day. That shit Man, that shit ate my mom alive. Never seen my mom the same after that day. My mom wouldn't even want to take her eye off me. Wow. And like, it's crazy though, because like the first time after I got shot, my mom was on me. I'll be in an ignorant, dumbass little boy, not listening. You don't know what you're talking about, you don't know what you got going on. People get shot all the time. You know, four days later. Yeah, I'm thinking that's the norm. Now I got shot, ain't nothing, no big deal about it. You feel me? Not even knowing that I could have seriously lost my life. What happened four days later? Four days later, I'm sitting in the house. One of my homies called me and shit. Uh you still healing from Yeah, I'm still hilling from the first round. So you got you got hit one time that that day in your leg. That's it? One time.

SPEAKER_10 36:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 36:05

Uh four days later, I'm chilling in the crib and all that. He got me all on these medicines and shit. That shit got me all fucked up, lazy and all that. I'm sitting in the crib. My man called me, like, what you doing? I'm about to come around there, chill with you for a little bit. I tell him, Bet, my mom eavesdropping over here in my conversation. Started talking about nobody coming over here. If somebody typical moments started drawing or whatever. So her doing that though, she trying to help me, trying to save me. She thinking if she says that, then I'm gonna be like, uh, all right, bro, don't even slide. Whole time I just tell my man, like, yeah, slide, we just gonna sit on the porch. Mind you, this is the same block I just got shot on four days ago. You understand what I'm saying? So I'm like, yeah, we just gonna sit on the porch. Long story short, my man ended up coming and all that. Uh so when he comes and all that, I start breaking the story down to him, like telling him, like, cause you can still see everything. You feel me? All this shit fresh, you still see bullet holes, yellow tape, all types of shit. So I'm showing him and all that how everything happened. And again, uh I turn, look, it's a car coming up the block, car see in the backseat, nigga driving COVID mask. I don't see nobody in the backseat nine. Don't even pay too much attention to it. This COVID time, everybody wearing a COVID mask. Uh, yeah, that shit. I should have paid more attention to it. Nigga came up from the back seat, like he just spawned it in the backseat and came out the window on me. See it, that happened like that. Dang, where you get hit this time? I took uh eight more. I got shot in my leg, upper leg, shot in my ass. Got shot eight times? Yeah, the second time I got shot eight times. You feel me? Shot in my legs, calf muscle and all that. My foot. I can't even feel like none of my toe on that foot.

SPEAKER_11 37:37

Damn. And this at 15 years old, man.

SPEAKER_02 37:40

Yeah, 15.

SPEAKER_10 37:41

And now your mom was in the house this time. She's still home.

SPEAKER_02 37:43

Yeah, my mom was my mom was right there for both times. But like the second time, that's when it really like the first time it got graphic. It got like it was graphic, but it wasn't really graphic. You feel me? I took a petty shot to my leg and all that. Before any blood or anything could come out, I was already getting surgery. The second time though, I didn't know I was shot. Like, I knew I was shot, but I didn't know I was shot. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm feeling shit hit me and all that, but I don't know. I'm shot. My adjourn is rushing so much, I take off. I run through the back door of my house. When I run through the back door of my house, no lie, I remember this day off the back of my head. My man get to um the back door of my crib before me. So once I run in there, you feel me? I'm like, yeah, dumbass dickhead. Oh, they thought they had me again or whatever. And the face he just got on, like he just looking at me like, yo, like, like he just scared or something. I'm like, what's up? You aren't? My mom was outside looking for me outside in the front. So when she came back in the house, like, where you at? And she walked in the house, that told me everything I needed to know. She literally like damn there passed out, broke down. Like, oh my god. That's when I look down, I see what's going on, all the blood I got going on. I fell out. I thought I died. Passed out. I woke up in the emergency room.

SPEAKER_10 38:55

And that amount of trauma, not only for yourself, but for your mom. You know, nobody deserves to go through that. And you know, um, and how is your mom now? How's our mental now?

SPEAKER_02 39:07

Yeah, that's bro. My mom never fully recovered from that. It's to the point, like, bro, my mom don't even be in the city. Uh my mom used to love this city. She don't even want to come to the city for nothing. I gotta go two, three, four hours to go see my mom.

SPEAKER_10 39:22

And knowing this, uh knowing this type of effect that it has on your mom, do that make you want to change your life, like do something different, knowing that?

SPEAKER_02 39:31

Oh yeah. It's been made me, like I told you, bro, it'd be a lot of like a lot of niggas don't be really wanting this, bro. A lot of niggas don't be really wanting this. It'd just be a peer pressure type job. That's what it, like, that's what it be for real. I'm gonna tell you that because I feel like I was like a victim of peer pressure. I feel like I was one of them young boys who was like a victim of peer pressure. Like trying to be cool, trying to be accepted, feel me, trying to be down and all that shit led me somewhere where I can't even turn back. It don't even matter how much I want to change. I could go ahead and change the deal tomorrow.

SPEAKER_10 40:02

Why you say you can't turn back and go do something different? Why you feel like that?

SPEAKER_02 40:05

Uh you can, but just because you decide to do that, don't mean the next man decided to do that.

SPEAKER_10 40:11

Now you said your mom don't even be in Philly. Why you don't just move her, where she go where she at?

SPEAKER_02 40:16

It's because it's just never that easy. It's never just that easy. I tried.

SPEAKER_11 40:21

You got a lot of things holding you, man, too, man. I want to ask you a personal question, man, about a best friend of yours, man, that got 40 to 80. You know who I'm talking about. Yeah. Like, free curry. Free curry, man. Um this is a best friend of yours. Like, I'm quite sure he calls you all the time and you hear his discomfort and his pain from the life that y'all living. Oh yeah. Like, how does that make you feel to have a friend like because he had me in there? I'm in there doing all that time, and I know how I made him feel. Right. But you out here, you can you can choose to go left or right. You know, it's one thing to have, but you got a friend that got a lot of time already in there. And another friend five that just called. They got a lot of time how's the how does that feel? Like to see your men, they not getting one and a half to two, eleven, a half to twenty-three, eight months. Like this shit for keeps.

SPEAKER_02 41:10

40 to 80 is a life for real. The reality of that shit, like, still it's kind of hard to grasp. It's kind of hard to grasp. Like, it's kind of hard to face the reality of that. Like, a nigga you went from seeing every single day, every day of the week, every hour of the day, sleeping hand to toe, crowd together, smiled together, been up, down together, he just gone for 40 to 80 years.

SPEAKER_10 41:34

I'm asking a question. Would you rather see your your friends in in jail or cause you've been in jail, because everybody knows jail is a difficult situation. Would you rather see him in jail? Would you rather see him be gone? I'm gonna be honest with you, bro.

SPEAKER_02 41:45

I don't rush that jail shit on nobody. Nobody, not my worst enemy. Nobody. Nobody. I mean, some niggas even be trying to say, like, man, free the jails, keep the rapist. I don't rush that shit on nobody. Nobody.

SPEAKER_10 42:01

Now, I know I spoke about that and um I spoke, I asked uh uh five about uh YBC dual, and they spoke about Curry. Where was you at exactly when when Curry was murdered? Where was you at when it happened? I meant you uh you took you uh I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, dual. My bad, YBC Duel was at YBC.

SPEAKER_02 42:17

I was incarcerated. I just was getting locked up. Uh just was being locked up. I think I was probably only locked up for like 30 days.

SPEAKER_10 42:24

Yeah, I was Do you remember where you was at when you got the call or or heard about it?

SPEAKER_02 42:28

Yeah, I was just coming out of my room. Just coming out of my room. Some some reason I slept that whole day. Prior was one of them days burnt out. Came out of my room and all that. Uh niggas just the way niggas was the energy, like, yeah, move, you know, I'm here for you and all that. I'm like, what the fuck is y'all talking about? What's going on? I get on the phone and all that. Uh yeah, that shit just that's when I got the news.

SPEAKER_10 42:53

Now for you, that's that's your that's your brother. That's your that's your that's your brother who was murdered in a in a horrible manner. And um how was that for you? Because I I got a brother. I got two brothers, and I can't imagine losing one of them, especially to like you know, street value, whatever it may be. How was that for you losing your brother, man? You know, and and somebody so close to you.

SPEAKER_04 43:18

I mean like no matter how many people you lose, you never get used to, no matter who it is, it should death hit you differently. Some that's gonna be you gonna heal just like the jail. That's that's curry for the eighty. That's like that's stuff we healin' for. We gotta heal from that, you feel me? Like fight, even though it don't be us going through these situations, but it's like it'd be things we gotta deal with. And it's like it ain't no compromising or fooling. It's like you gotta come back out the next day. Chess up, you feel me? Pay these bills, uh, feed these kids, protect whatever, you feel me? Like, you gotta really just keep gotta keep going. Each joint hit you different though.

SPEAKER_10 44:01

And where was you at exactly when you got the call or heard about your brother being murdered?

SPEAKER_04 44:07

I was down the street. Not like on that same block, but I was like not too far. Not too far. Bruce to call me damn near every day. I mean called me every day to come do push his agenda, you feel me?

SPEAKER_10 44:23

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 44:24

What he was on, but it was like we used to argue about that shit, you feel me? About like that round, I was down the street, though.

SPEAKER_10 44:32

And you know, people don't never really understand, really um get the actual the the picture of how murder and death can affect families. How did how does the the yeah the death of your brother brother or duel, how did that affect your your family? Y'all got the same dad, so how did it affect your family?

SPEAKER_04 44:56

Nobody ain't gonna mean like it's a wound that's never gonna hell. You feel me? Even people that ain't like family just family is the ones you feel as though, you feel me, but like I don't think you you you ask me family, but it's like family ain't everybody related to too. Sometimes family a rock more than blood, you feel me? Like people that's blood, you mean they might be judging you, you feel me? They might not even ever tap in with you to see what's going on, and it might be somebody from that don't even owe you nothing. You feel me? And it's like they'll come and give you the benefit of the doubt, you feel me? But I don't know, this shit ain't gonna never shouldn't, no matter what, should've never be the same for nobody. You feel me?

SPEAKER_10 45:40

How did it affect you, uh you mentally and emotionally? How what did did you feel like you lost something uh mentally, emotionally, physically, or it was already mean feeling empty, you feel me?

SPEAKER_04 45:53

You already feel empty, so it's like how empty can you feel? What else can it mean? You gonna lose yourself at that point, you feel me? Like, and that's what it'd be like not trying to we ain't gonna lose ourselves, you feel me? It'd be the cutter, everything be the cutter.

SPEAKER_10 46:08

I agree. Now, I wanna say that because I cause you know, I know you spoke y'all got the same father, but I don't know if this because I I don't really be on social media like that, but I don't know if if if dual's mother ever spoke out about how she felt about him being murdered. How did you know how it affected it affected her? His mom?

SPEAKER_04 46:27

I mean, I can't speak for nobody, you feel me? Yeah, like I ain't mean, I won't want nobody speaking for me. I lose mean.

SPEAKER_11 46:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:35

Can't ever speak for nobody.

SPEAKER_11 46:37

Hey, Moo, let me ask you a question, right? Because uh, you know, I've got a little, did a little homework on you. And I know it'd be certain things that, you know, probably can take us from the street or push us to the street, especially growing up. But, you know, probably a lot of people probably do know this about you that I'm ready to ask you. A lot of people probably don't. But I, you know, I heard you come up in a mass jid. Yeah. I mean, heavy. A lot of us didn't. We learned Islam at a later or younger age. How was that coming up in the mass jid?

SPEAKER_10 47:03

What mash did you come up in?

SPEAKER_11 47:05

I came up in an Abba wheel.

SPEAKER_02 47:06

I came up in a couple with Johns.

SPEAKER_10 47:08

Nabba wheel? I might have you used to be with uh with uh Curry and him?

SPEAKER_02 47:11

Yeah, Curry, Hamza.

SPEAKER_10 47:14

Yeah, I know I knew they dad. Yeah, their dad, um, um dad got murdered. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 47:18

I I probably I probably I know I ain't know they uh dad too much, but like, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 47:23

Wow. Now go with you a question. What that was like, you know, because I'm quite sure it wasn't a craziness, or it might have been going on amongst each other that the parents ain't seen, and because y'all can keep it on a low, but how was that growing up in the you know, because you would think one would be structured better. Yeah, I mean growing up in the mass gym.

SPEAKER_02 47:44

I'm gonna be honest, it was like it ain't really like do too much. Why? Because like I was only there because I was forced to be there. Like physically I was there, but like my heart wasn't there. I never really wanted to be there. Right. Like the joy that they found in going to the masjig, chilling in the masjig, praying and being around the sisters and the brothers and all that, I didn't find it. Like I found it boring, annoying. Just being ignorant and oblivious to it. I mean, so it ain't really do nothing for me, honestly. Uh as far as my other friends and all that, I can honestly say like Curry and all that, still to this day, his stuff like from childhood that still stick with him to this day. That's one thing that's that ball is like a hundred percent don't play about is that religion. You're not gonna play with it at all. Heavy on it.

SPEAKER_10 48:40

Yeah, um his dad, man, you know, Raheem Allah. His dad, I knew his dad. And and his family, uh, you know, his his sisters and everybody actually they was brought up in the in the message. Um But for you now, well both of y'all, yeah, both of y'all now seeing where things were five, six years ago to where they are they are now. What what what's y'all message now? Like what are y'all what are y'all what are y'all trying to do now? What is it now that y'all want to do? Like, because y'all done seen it all. Y'all done seen death, y'all done seen prison, y'all done seen homies in there with all types of numbers.

SPEAKER_02 49:17

I'm gonna be honest with you. If I could honestly give you an answer on that right now, hold that thought to you.

SPEAKER_11 49:23

If you could go back and rewind the hands of time, would you do it over? Hell yeah. Now you can go ahead and answer your question. I just wanted to answer that.

SPEAKER_02 49:29

Oh yeah. Fuck yeah. Uh but I'd be lying to you if I could tell you like if I knew what was next. What I think is next, I want to try like I don't know. I don't know, bro.

SPEAKER_10 49:42

Is the beefing over? Like the the the the gang stuff out here is is is it do you think it's dying down now?

SPEAKER_02 49:49

Yes. Kind of dying down, but I ain't even gonna lie, I've been in the I've seen this shit a thousand times. I've never seen the beef die down and take a crazy ass spike. Like what I'm saying, this beef, this scene beef that's going on, now died down three different times. I mean, like, you got niggas who like beefing and ramping and dusting with each other. We now been in the same area all with each other, talking about how we gotta put this shit to the side. And it was cool, it died down, and then it took a spike right back up. Every time it comes back, though, it comes back even worse.

SPEAKER_10 50:20

And it's like now, from what I'm I could be wrong. It's like there's a bunch of young guys who are getting involved in beef that they really don't understand where it's they don't don't even know where it started from. Well, uh, we had a what's called up here. Remember, he said, what did he say? He said a beef started from a female that a lot of people don't even know.

SPEAKER_02 50:40

Yeah, that's what one of our beef started. That's what our main beef started over, a female. Uh that's what our main beef started over. As a female, I'm not gonna even say the main beef. I'm not even gonna put no. If you know, you know. Our main beef started over at a female, sad to say. Be honest with you.

SPEAKER_10 50:55

Wow. And this female, you know.

SPEAKER_02 51:00

Nobody don't even talk to her no more. Don't even know what the fuck she got going on in her life. We don't know if she got kids, dead, alive. We don't know where where she at, what's going on.

SPEAKER_10 51:07

And knowing that, it's like, it's crazy. Cause I I I understand, I I get it. I get, I get what you're saying. But knowing that, it's like everybody out here who listening, even, I know people might be watching this, young guys, knowing that, man, it should be that should be enough for y'all to be like, man, we can't, we done with this over a woman.

SPEAKER_02 51:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 51:28

No dispect to the women out there, but is it nobody's worth killing? No.

SPEAKER_02 51:34

Going to jail for. Like, people. I apologize to cut you off. It's crazy though, right? Like, these same females that you be doing that for, rather, you're gonna go in and shoot a nigga, punch a nigga, slap a nigga, whatever. Whatever you're gonna do for that female, them cuffs go on you to deal tomorrow. The same day them cuffs go on you is the same day she left. It don't matter how solid you think your female is, I don't care about what you saying. Now my girl this, my girl that, they're females at the end of the day. They're females at the end of the day. They're gonna do them. I mean that same female that you now went in court drawing for now. You sitting in there for 20 years. She left you, not even on the first year. She left you within the first month, second month. No money on the books, not picking up the phone, blocking the jails, all types of shit. Now you in there going through it, going crazy, regretting it, wishing that you never did it, but it's already too late. It don't matter how much you now wish, cry, scream, punch, ain't nothing you could do and take it back. A lot of niggas, including my niggas and me, myself, for me, don't realize until it's too late. That was a lot of our fate. We didn't realize until it was too late. What we was jumping in, what we was chasing until it was too late.

SPEAKER_10 52:44

How many people do you think you I mean, how many people y'all y'all know that may have been murdered behind the situation without even saying names? Like how many people you how many? More than 10, more than 20?

SPEAKER_02 52:55

Yeah, more than a dime.

SPEAKER_10 52:57

Like in life you've seen, or you talking about just like behind this, this, this, this, this, this woman. More than 10. How many think that went to jail? More than 10.

SPEAKER_02 53:08

More than 10.

SPEAKER_10 53:09

And these people some uh are dead, of course, not coming back. But the ones in jail, some people that's in jail out of that ten that's never coming home. Yeah. Or if they come home, they they gonna be old.

SPEAKER_02 53:21

I have to say majority of them probably. Majority of them probably. It's a lot going on right now. Wow. Yeah, a lot of them, if they are coming home, they coming home old. Let me ask y'all both a question, right?

SPEAKER_11 53:34

Because we don't just wake up one day and be like, damn, I'm going to the streets. What brought you to the streets? What brought you to your homies and like this will be on, and we gotta put, and I'm not saying it ain't right, because I just I stood for that at one point in life. I know what brought me to the streets. But I want to ask you, and I want you to put that out there to the family and the audience. Well, we can get into like, cause we really want to help y'all, man. Not just y'all, but overall, the mass of young dudes is growing up in the city of Philadelphia. What brought you to the streets ultimately? Like man, I'm out here.

SPEAKER_02 54:02

Be honest, being a follower. Like, I just, bro, no lie. Like, I didn't never have to be in the type of life that I'm in right now. Why you say that? Because you you had your mom, your dad. No, I had my mom. I had a supportive family. I played sports at first. That was I was back, I was backed up boxing, but anything I wanted to do, I could have did. I just like I was seeing what was going on with me, and you feel me. Basically, pair pressure, like I said, you feel me? I'm being looked at the way I'm being looked at for being a football player, being sports and all that. These niggas getting boosted up for just doing what they're doing, being in the streets, hanging out on corners, stealing bikes, you feel me, being with the little bitches, whatever. I wanted to be cool. That's all I wanted to be. And I wanted to be cool. I seen that looked more cooler than what I was doing, so I joined them and ended up in the streets, like, be honest with you. Dang.

SPEAKER_10 54:57

And you say that, but I'm gonna tell you, man, like it ain't over. You still young. You man, listen, man. Yo, sky's the limit, man. You young. You young. 21. Oh, gosh. I wish I could get that.

SPEAKER_11 55:10

Or Rico age. 21.

SPEAKER_10 55:12

Listen, it don't matter what you did. You got your freedom right now, man. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? You got your life, you got your youth. Sky's the limit, man.

SPEAKER_11 55:22

Anyone y'all got kids? Yeah. Both of y'all. Yeah, I got two. And you fucking good out here. Fucking that's one day. You know we're gonna do that.

SPEAKER_10 55:32

Yeah. But what I what I'm saying though, like, like let's go back. Y'all, you young, man. Yo, you ain't got no hair on your face, man.

SPEAKER_11 55:39

Y'all, y'all, you, you like for real, and then we ain't seen this before. I'm looking at you like you could be my son.

SPEAKER_02 55:44

No, honestly.

SPEAKER_11 55:45

Like, we got kids that's 19, 20 years old. Like, damn, man. We always talk about like uh But I want to know how to reach them. Like, how can we what the like besides giving out money? Because nigga take money and just go spend it, have a party, and it'll make you a bigger asshole than what you already is. Okay. What do you do? Like, and that's why we got y'all up here. What are some of the things that an older person that can help with, besides appointing you in the direction of being in this or getting this job or getting this vehicle? What are the things like to be hands-on, Rico? Like, well, I want y'all both to answer this. Like, like, I want to know. Because I'm I'm I'm ready to be 50.

SPEAKER_02 56:22

So be honest, bro. You know what it really be? It'd be the time. All of this. You can money, all of that shit is. I ain't you could give me that and I go buy a gun with that. You go buy some drugs or buy something that's going and wind me up in a county jail or in a casket. It'd be the time. The time, the time and the effort. A lot of old heads didn't get that to us. You know what I'm saying? You know what they did? Like, yo, come here, Yamor, let me talk to you. You try to drop some jewels and all that on me. Shit just don't change overnight. You can't just expect to give me this one conversation. And it's not, and then it's done. Now I'm just a whole new person. Right. You can't expect that. So you giving me this conversation. All right, cool. You give me that one conversation. You probably see me again and give me another one. You still see me bumping my head doing the same dumb shit. So now automatically in your head, you think like, oh, young boy ain't gonna wear it all right. Wear this. Right. You feel me? You just go ahead and give up. You know what I'm saying? Right. You don't give no more time, no more dedication, no more none of that. You know what I'm saying? Instead of being on that young boy, being right there with that young boy when he bumped his head, look, I told you, you know what I'm saying? I told you you're gonna bump your head right here on this part. Now listen, that's how you don't bump your head again. Or that's how you heal from bumping your head like that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. They don't be doing that at all. The only thing they do is they be petty shit. Then when something finally do happen, or something you end up do bump your head or current. I told you, Yo, look, I tried to tell you, Young Boy, you ain't wanna let me now you just here to throw it in my face. You ain't even here to give me a lesson about it. You feel me? I told you, young boy, you was gonna lose or anything with that. Me personally, I don't look at nothing like a loss. Everything is a lesson to me. None is a loss. Not going to jail, not no friends, dying none of it. Everything is a lesson. That's all.

SPEAKER_10 58:03

Like, I ain't gonna lie. I hear y'all talk, man, and y'all seem like y'all smart, man. Y'all, you know, y'all seem like y'all got y'all, you know, y'all very intelligent, man. And sometimes y'all need to hear that. Like you, you you very you're very intelligent. You know what I mean? Y'all, y'all very intelligent, man. Y'all um, like you said, it's just a matter of just somebody banning it to where you at? Come on, take you here, just or just banning right at the time. Like you said, the time. The effort. Um, you know, we gotta come, we gotta pull together, man. I'm speaking to the to the men out there in the city, man. It because it ain't gonna just be just me and him to do it, or you know, to help. It's gonna take a uh effort of of us to help the youth because we gotta really care about the youth, man. If we say we care, these conversations, you like you said, pull them to the side. We gotta have something more consistent with the youth, the young guys, man, and don't push them away. That's not that's nothing I see a lot of times, you know. You know, somebody might see like a young guy coming in. So it could be, I'm just gonna speak about the message. Sometimes a young guy may come in there at certain places, young guy may come in there and he may not look the part. He may have his hair a certain way, he may have a tattoo, or he may have his clothes a certain way, and people are pushing him away because of the way he looks. I don't agree with that. Yeah, neither. Because you never know what you can say to this kid or what you can do for this kid to kind of help them, man. And we gotta be consistent, and everybody doesn't don't always get it right away. It's no it just because somebody don't get it the first time, don't mean they don't get it the second time, third time. It might take a hundred times or have the conversation or be around the person before they get it. So we can't give up on the youth just because they fall short. Because we all have fell short. Everybody, you know what I'm saying? The oldest people person in this in this chat, all the person, all the person watching this this video, we all have fell short. And one way or another, we still are falling short. I fall short all the time. What about you, yeah?

SPEAKER_11 1:00:06

Nonstop. But I got one, I want I got before I forget, right? Not to cut you off, I got one ask question to ask Rek, right? And I told Rek we're gonna get him back up here because we I basically wanted to be on Moo Top today. But I wanted to ask Rek, right? Because you know, like we just asked Moo about Curry, and it's a best friend of his that got 40 to 80 years in the penitentiary. That's life if you ask me. But I want to ask Rek, man. I want to ask you about Baby Week and 1K. These dudes ain't got no little bit of time in the penitentiary, and these your men. How that make you feel? Niggas that you can say lost their lives to the streets by being in there. Anything can happen about coming home and all that. We know appeals and we already, we talking about what's on that paper right now. And that's a loss if you gotta do all that. How that make you feel, Rick? I want to get you involved to hear what you got to say. Because we know what Moo is thinking, but what you think?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:01

I mean, like I kind of I kinda seen a lot of the stuff that's going on now before it even happened, you feel me? I was fighting a shoot in 2015. So it's like when I was a kid, they was trying to offer me more than more time than how old I was. Right. So it's like when I when I came up from under that humdul law, it's like a lot of the guys I was meeting, you feel me, they was probably kids before I went in, or they ain't they ain't they ain't know no better. But it's like the one thing I can say is like I read the dudes alive, you feel me? Like at least they still alive. Cause it's like I wouldn't want nobody to come take them. You feel me? Like, it comes with the territory. We ain't out here just drawn. We might overdo it once is once it's already brought to once once somebody brings it to your front door, it's like you gonna turn it down or you gonna handle it. So it's like a lot of the times, like I ain't trying to sit up here and make it seem like we perfect, but it's like a lot of the times like we just defending what you mean. You you said what? It's like we ain't about to let you come hurt us. You feel me? And a lot of the guys they fight in drama because it was like they stood on 10 as a man and they ain't let nobody come hurting them. And I'm glad you feel me. I I knew how I feel when you lose somebody. I ain't gonna kick. I'm glad they ain't you mean they still here though. Do you think it was worth it though? Do you think it's all keeping life credit? They life could have been took, dude. It's a mean, I ain't making it seem like I'm perfect, but it's like dudes ain't fair in the law. You feel me? Like you could give somebody the benefit of the doubt. How many times you gonna give them the benefit of the doubt when your life on the line? When they trying to take you from your mom. And your kids. And we before I had kids, you feel me? I'm a young man, you feel me? I was 19. Feel me, J100, whoever. I'm trying to tell a little bro, like, we got we gotta do a little bit better, but they can only listen so much time when it's like, hey, bro, you told me to get them a pass. We gave them a pass. They went back to their hood and try to catch us with with their pants down in our hood. So how many times can I keep telling my little bros the yo, y'all gonna get told on? Dudes gonna act like they trying to bring it to y'all like this, and they gonna cop out and put the people on y'all. You feel me? Before it even happened, but it's like we had to we had to protect ourselves, you feel me, little bro. Like, I can't keep giving dudes up before a lot of the bloodshed happened. You feel me? Dudes was hating, envious, you feel me, wanted to do music or whatever. And it's like once we have everything organized, yo, we we gonna come link with childhood on Friday. It's like we running our movie. It's not that we giving nobody the cold shoulders, just we running our movies. So it's like once y'all want to pop into us, cuz we ain't do nothing around y'all, you feel me? Y'all might say as a girl, it might be da-da-da, but it's like I remember, you feel me? It's like the envious start before, like you got peep, dudes ain't fair in the law, you feel me? And I read that my boys be still here, you feel me? Cause they at least they protect it, you feel me?

SPEAKER_11 1:03:59

Last question for you, Rick. You 25 years old, right? Yeah. I want to know how heavy is it a responsibility to be called a big homie, right? From your young boy, strike LR, Chubbs. Like, they look up to you. Like, how do it feel to have that pressure at 25 years old? So niggas coming to you like, damn, what we do, homie? Like, what type of weight is that on you as a 25-year-old man? About life. These kids asking you, what do we do?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:31

I mean, I I want for my brother, what I want for me. That's first and foremost. So it's like, I'm gonna just get him. I got my big homies told on me. When I was when I went down for that that little shoe when I was 15, the same dudes that told me, Oh, you tuck this joint like this, you mean you put the bomb over here in this alleyway, X, Y, Z, the dudes I'm looking up to. You feel me? Really, I'm the only, at the time I was the only one with a with protection. You feel me? And it's like I was really getting crashed out for these dudes, but these dudes, my big homies told on me back then. You feel me? So like when I came home, I understood like I ain't about to send no young, I ain't I ain't telling for sure. But it's like I ain't about to be the same one that's gonna crash you out. I'm gonna let you know what's going on, you feel me? And I'm gonna tell you straight, like, firsthand, you feel me? And it's like you're gonna either take it or leave it. Well, anything you gotta take it or leave it, you feel me? Ain't no fooling or compromising, you feel me? Like, we ain't we ain't settling for none of that. But I want for my brothers, what I want for me. So it's like it's easy for me to do what I wish somebody would have done for me. You feel me? When I ain't have it, so it I do that anytime. I tell Lord Moo, all right, I don't care if it's two in the morning, call me. You feel me? I tell you every time I talk to him, because as a man, we feel like we can't talk to somebody. We can't call yo. I'm bro got kids, Rico got kids. I can't call Rico. Did it? Hey, bro, call me. I know how I feel when you can't call somebody. This just in general, I'm just saying as a Man, it's like a lot of times menph, like, you know, I can't rely on my help. So it's like me as the, it's probably one or two dudes older than me, but it's like they really be like in my a. I be the main one, like frontline and like feet on feet on land for the most part. And it's like, tell my little brothers, come to me about anything. And I'm gonna, we're gonna put the best foot forward, and we're gonna push the needle every time. Inshallah.

SPEAKER_10 1:06:23

Inshallah. We spoke about, um, I don't know if I asked this question, but um, this indictment, right, that's going on, right? I spoke to a few other guys from different, we spoke to a few guys from different groups. And what they're doing with this indictment, they put everybody on the same indictment from different sections of the city, right? And it's like they're making, forcing everybody like to go against each other. So there's people telling from this side who told who. So it just seemed like they're making them co-defendants. Yeah, they are saying they're co-defendants on this on these cases. Try and kill each other to fighting for your lives together. Codefendants. That's heavy. And now the people like, like, say we beefing, and I'm like, no, he killed my man. He they killed him, and then they like, no, well, he killed him, that's why we did that. So it was like, it's set up for everybody on that indictment to do a significant amount of time. It's a domino effect. Shit up a lot of dominoes. Never coming home. Like it's like it's a chance. I'm I almost say it's a chance that a lot of a lot of people on that indictment is never coming home. No, so you're 100% about that. Because it's like they trying people with people with multiple murders, not one, but multiple murders, multiple, multiple shootings. And it's like you, they putting you up against the people that you was going against, and they're and it's like it's crazy, man. And um, what do you think the strategy was behind that, young? The for them to do that like that. What do you think the main reason that they did it like that?

SPEAKER_11 1:07:47

I ain't never seen it done like that before. If I had to make a guess, because they wasn't doing that, like they'll just have two different sides. We all have cases, but for them to the strategy is for them to tell. That's the only strategy. Get them and get them young niggas in there. They looking at the same dude that they was raped or possibly shot before, or he got shot by him, and then we co-defended. We co-defended on some of the same crimes that we just did or you just did. That is that's making a motherfucker like, I ain't got nothing to do with that. No, this happened because of we was at, and you know, a motherfucker don't really know what he's supposed to be doing, or say some shit like that. You know what I'm saying? So they're making it easier.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:24

How y'all feel about that though?

SPEAKER_11 1:08:25

What y'all think about it?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:27

I'm gonna be honest. I feel like like, I don't even know. That was a crazy, that was a power move. That was a crazy ass tactic. But I feel like they uh, you know, like they had time to do this. Like they had a lot of time to build this joint and you know, like prepare and watch and see how they wanted to move with shit. I feel like they they knew what to do. They know what they they know what they did, they know what they was doing. And they'll book half of the niggas that's in the indictment, they don't ran in and out of the system, you feel me, booked up three, four times. So now they got a character with them, you know what I'm saying? Like they know these dudes. They built the character on them, you know what I'm saying? And they'll see how the years of them rooms and all that. And that's what little petty shit. So, all right, cool. Like, let's note that that he acted this way or gave his reaction off of just this and this was some petty shit. All we gotta do is grab him and say some crazy ass numbers. He's gonna tell us everything, and then we're gonna go to his friend in the next room and tell his friend, like, listen, he just gave us everything. You're gonna fall for everything, unless you tell us everything. And I'm saying his friend might tell you the same exact story just with one different detail. And then they go grab somebody else because he was dang.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:35

And we we can't forget though, it's a business. It's a business for them to come take us away. You feel me? Split up our our households and come get our kids, pass these laws, stop and frisk, harass the youngest, our brothers, me, our uncles, our fathers. They but is it harassment? Prison up prisoner pipeline, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:09:56

Is it harassment if a motherfucker is out there busting it iron though? Because we gotta go, we gotta come to accountability.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:01

How he get that iron?

SPEAKER_11 1:10:02

We got the how he get that iron though. But that right there is a whole nother.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:06

I was gonna say that we ain't we ain't we ain't we ain't got no businesses for I seen out in like down south Texas or something, a kid did like a mass shooting and a family sued the person that made the manufacturer. You feel me? So like they ain't say the young boy was the problem, they said the manufacturers of the rifle or something was the problem. But when it comes to our community, we looking, we ain't looking at who's sending these joints to our community. We ain't we ain't rallying up as brown and colored people. Yo, we about to go down to city hall, the council meetings. Like, we ain't we ain't really up here pushing for the things that's gonna help us in the community. You feel me? Yeah. Cause it's crazy too, man.

SPEAKER_10 1:10:46

Like these guns is like, they just in the community. Like this the gun, the like a lot of these guys, man, who on these cases on these indictments don't even have a car, don't have a driver's license, but able to get crazy guns.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:59

Hey, bro, no lie. Listen, I've now been locked up probably more than six times in my life. Every single time from the first time I ever got locked up. Like down to even this time. Like, bro, the first thing a nigga offer me when I come home, ain't no shot, bro. You need some sneaks, you need some hygiene products, some draw socks. The first thing is, and I got this for you right here. Take that. I don't got a single dollar in my pocket. I got a $1,500 gun on me. Plus, I got an attachment that's probably $300 more dollars. That's the first thing a nigga get in his hand. Not a dollar, not even a bitch, not even no fool.

SPEAKER_10 1:11:44

A gun. A gun from the red. Dang. And like we we talked about before, these guns, like we had guns, you know what I'm saying? But these guns nowadays, like we couldn't, like we like think about young. If we had to go to war back then against the stuff that they got.

SPEAKER_11 1:12:03

Oh yeah, we assed up. We we just gotta catch them niggas slipping, because boy, those little niggas be ready uh to slip over.

SPEAKER_10 1:12:10

Y'all, like you said, and I'm not not it's not a joke, and man, I'm just saying, like, you said these attachments and buttons, and it's like it's crazy. It's crazy. And like, how the how would how are kids 14, 15 years old, getting these guns? If it ain't, it gotta be some type of way that this stuff is being put in our communities. I I know we people won't say, well, are we conspiracy theoretic theorists and all that? But this it gotta be something going on. There's no way a 14-year-old got a gun, a $1,500 gun with a switch on it. Whatever the heck is going on. Killing another kid. And we sit back and we sit back and look at it and say, Well, yeah, it's the you know, people, parents, and yeah, that's true, but it's something else bigger than that, man. That's that's these guns is there's no way that this stuff is just crazy. I'm talking about 14, 13-year-old, 14-year-old, 15-year-old gun cases is like crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:06

That's another thing I want to tap into, too. Like, I don't know why everybody be so quick to go and turn a finger. Like, you see a dumb ass young boy, a wild-headed young boy, the first thing you're gonna say is, This is mom and dad, it's the way he was raised. You can't even say that. Because I'm gonna be the first one to tell you my mom raised me to the T. Like, it's not nothing else my mom could have possibly did for me as a mother. Nothing. Clothes on my back, I always had food. I never was hungry. I was, when I stepped out of the house, she made sure I had money to go to a poppy store. You get what I'm saying? Activities, family reunions, trips everywhere. Now, been to so many places. It wasn't never my mom or the way I was raised. It was literally just me. You can leave somebody to the water, you can't force them to drink it. Never. So all that, it's the way the parents raised them and all that. We need to like cut down on that and all that. And it's about, like you said, taking accountability. It's all about taking accountability.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:07

Once you start doing that, that's when the changing starts.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:09

Yeah. You can't change without accountability.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:10

Nah, because you're gonna be on denial. You're gonna just be on the channel. But you be like, damn, I did. You're gonna look at all right, damn, I did that. That's me. That's when the changing starts. That's when you ever watch the draw. If you ever watch, and it's a little off subject, like when people go to rehab, and you know everybody be sitting in the group, the first thing they do. I'm Brahme Jackson, I smoke crack cocaine. Yeah, that's the first step to rehab. Yeah, accountability.

SPEAKER_10 1:14:32

You feel comfortable saying that. Go ahead. You say that's but like you said, that's crazy that that's the that's just the reality of stuff, man. Yeah. For real. Like, we gotta we look at it though, but I I just want to, I just, I just, I just can't, I just can't wrap my mind around the fact that it's a 13-year-old with a $1,500 gun.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:14:57

He got a $1,500 gun on him.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:59

He got a gun on him, period. At $13. Whether it's $200. Who you get that from? Honestly, though. You talking about $1,500. A gun. It could be a Dillinger. One, where did you get that? At 13.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:12

I'm gonna be honest, bro. I don't even be surprised no more with this shit. No, yeah, now. It ain't too much that can surprise me with this shit no more. Like, I ain't even gonna lie, like, I'm only 21 years old, but honestly, like, honestly, I've now seen shit that a grown-ass man ain't even see. Like, I've now been through shit that a grown-ass man probably won't even survive. Like, it's a lot of stuff I've now been through and seen, like, to the point like I feel like I've now seen everything that life could probably show or offer. Far as that on the trauma tip and events tip. Like, I've now been through so much, bro. It's like I don't even be surprised no more. Like, you could call me and oh, such and such just got killed. Uh like, damn, that shit scared it. Oh, bro, just got booked. Or he just got willed. Or let me ask you this. You think that's normal? Unfortunately, it became my norm. It's not normal at all. I know it. I know for sure it's not normal. None of that shit is normal. None of that shit is thorough, cute, none of that. But it became my norm.

SPEAKER_10 1:16:09

Became Yeah, man, I agree. Like, we were talking about that too. Like, it's not normal at all, but after you see stuff so much, it's become, like you said, like, dang, that's crazy, man. What you got life? He got killed. We see it all the time. We hear about it all the time, and it has become normalized in our in our minds. But you go further out like like King of Pressure. That's not normal out there in the area. They they they call a national guard you go out there shoot something about there. It's over. But our communities, the inner cities, is the guns, the drugs, and what do you think is the biggest influence or has the biggest effect on on the youth? Is it is it is it guns, is it drugs, is it rap music?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:55

What do you think is just the the two biggest things to me is the music and the drugs. You put them two together, you can make anything. Put music and drugs together, you can make anything. You could make a killer, a shooter, a I don't know, a finesse finesse, a drug dealer, whatever. A whore, a whore. You can make anything off of them two right there. Literally, that's all you need. Them two right there. Music and drugs. They're gonna take the drugs and then they're gonna listen to the music.

SPEAKER_10 1:17:28

Dang. And it's crazy. And then odd times the people that's making this music is going home to their mansions and millionaires and so forth and so on, and they ain't even in the hood. No, they're not no more. And then it could be one rapper who's spreading all this filth in the community, and there's a bunch of other rappers trying to come, but it's not normal for a bunch of rappers to get on. It's really rare. They said it's easier to make it to the NFL or the NBA than make it as a rapper.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:56

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_10 1:17:56

Fuck.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:57

Fuck, man. It's niggas out here that's rapping right now as we speak, we ain't make it out or nothing about all this killing and shooting and all this and all that. Like that's getting away with it and getting a little name and buzz off of because you don't got the niggas who was really out here doing it out here, unfortunately, because they either in the grave or up top or whatever. But it's influencing them. Is it going?

SPEAKER_10 1:18:19

It's like a trick, it's like a drop-down effect where those everybody just keep going. So everybody's is influenced by the I might get the switchy with the yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:27

And he never had the switchy. He never even had owned a switchy. He never even owned it. He only seen that shit in videos or probably seen this man with it. He never owned one personally. He never shot that John and I. How was y'all with school? Like, did y'all like y'all say I ain't going to school? Did y'all fear going to school because y'all feel y'all was gonna get killed? Yeah, not even because I was gonna get killed. I used to just didn't want to feel like a dickhead. Everybody else knew what's going on in the classroom. I was like, lost like I was didn't know what was going on. I felt dumb as shit in school. Just stopped going. So you didn't because you I was a little further back on my grade type shit, like than the grade I was really in. Like and why I was there? Just around. Just want some dumbass shit.

SPEAKER_11 1:19:05

Same thing BD said. Same exact thing. I don't want to act it out because I didn't know what was going on. I know if I act out, I get kicked out of class, and that's all I wanted.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:13

Yeah. I literally, like, literally used to do that. Like, teach, bro, no lie, bro. Teacher, like, will call me, uh, Monero, do you want to read or whatever? Oh, fuck you. Are you trying to play, you know what I'm saying? Just so like I could avoid that whole reague. I mean, now I gotta get kicked out. I'm possibly, I might gotta get an ass whooping for my mom and all that. But I'd rather that than go up there and just everybody see that I can't read, how they can read.

SPEAKER_10 1:19:41

Hey, how many kids you think is going through that?

SPEAKER_02 1:19:44

A lot of them. A lot of them. Apparently going through it. A lot of them. I see a like a couple of my young boys that I've been around up to this day from down my hood and just that I interact with, they go through it. Literally, they go through it.

SPEAKER_10 1:20:00

And in the schools, our public schools in the Philadelphia, they selling the schools now and turning them into condos. The high schools is being sold and they're closing the schools down because of the attendance level, I believe, because the schools just like Dang, where do we go? What would what what do we do for the for the youth? What do we what do we do? Man, it's it's just it's just so many different ways we gotta sit back and and look at so many things we gotta look look at, so many variables. It's just it's just crazy, man. Like we we gotta sometime somehow pull together with this, man. And then it's good that y'all come up here and speaking about it because some parents don't even look at it like that. You're gonna you're just acting up in school, but you was every time you were scared to tell your mom, I can't, I don't know how to do this, or I don't know how to do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:46

Bro, one of men's biggest things, one of our biggest problems is our pride. Pride. Knowing when to put it to the side and knowing when to reach out when you need some help. That's our biggest problem. That's my biggest problem. That's one of my biggest problems, and I'll still be trying to deal with it still to this day. Like, like Rigo just said, like, bro, you could call me, bro. Like, so everybody that's called. You get what I'm saying? In my head, I'm thinking, oh, I don't want to call now, but you get what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:21:17

But that's sure he's good. You feel me?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:19

That should be crazy. It'd be our pride. Not even knowing, like, you're probably gonna get you killed or ended up somewhere you won't want to be at for a real long time. You know, seeing it with multiple and thousands of my friends, they pride be in the destruction. I've seen that shit with a lot of people in my life, street, business, everything. Pride being the destruction. Pride not reaching out or not exing or not just sitting there really telling your mom, like, mom, I'm not trying to, you know, whooped me three times this week. You know, I'm not trying to keep doing this. I'm literally doing this because I cannot read. I can't go in front of that classroom and and just you feel me. I don't want to do that. I don't want to be the bed of the classroom or the laugh of the classroom. I'm saying, or start now I'm getting bullied, or now I gotta keep fighting every day because niggas making fun of me all day. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to do that. So instead of doing that, this is the way I do know how to avoid that. It's acting out to get kicked out the classroom and for them to call you. And now you gotta come pick me up earlier and now you embarrassed or something.

SPEAKER_10 1:22:18

You never had this conversation with your mom before?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:21

No, not time. Like now I do. Far as like now, if it's something like that I don't really feel comfortable with, and I don't really like I would tell my mom, like, I'm bleeding with it. I'm bleeding with it. Truth gonna get you further than anything. Uh with a lie, all you gotta do is put a lie on top of a never lie, and then continue to truth gonna get you further than anything. Every time. Being true with yourself, being truthful, just period. Truth gonna get you far with everything.

SPEAKER_10 1:22:48

Like I said, man, like, you know, you know, I'm I'm saying, listen to y'all talk, man. I'm amazed, man. You know, like the hear you speak, you know, the way you're speaking, man, it's a lot of young kids out here that need to take heed to how you talk and about expressing what's going on with yourself. You know what I mean? Like sometimes as adults, we can we can try to give a put a message out there, but we can't really relate the mess relay the message the way that he they can.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:12

Yeah, let me say this real quick, like on the uh take like a real join into this real quick. Like all that shit with like these music videos, these Instagram posters, these lives, whatever y'all be seeing and all that. Like, I don't know, I can't speak for everybody else, but me personally, like I know the character and the the image people put on me. Like, oh yeah, Youngboy burnt out, don't got no rap, or he just gonna do whatever. I know what sells. Far from dumb. I know dick here, not none of that. Behind closed door, when you actually get up on me, like it's a whole different draw. You're gonna look at me a whole different way. I know what sells, but even though I'm promoting this shit and I'm make this shit look good and make this shit look like I'm man, I ain't with this shit, bro. This shit burnt the fuck out, bro. Like, you get what I'm saying? One day, like, uh these young boys coming around thinking this shit cool. I'm seeing how they starting off, they don't even dig y'all 50 deep in the video, y'all all got guns and all that. We started that same way to turn around. It's hard to even find 10 niggas to get in the video. It's fine, it's hard to find 10 people to find to get in the video. I don't know where all my friends are.

SPEAKER_10 1:24:20

Let me ask you a question though. Now that you you see that, do you think that you you should give out a different perspective to the youth? Like the people that like you said, you you're doing this because but you you're not dumb. But do you think that you should give something different to the young guys coming up? Maybe tell them something different. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:36

Hell yeah. But what I'm big on, I don't be one to really preach too much and tell somebody how they gotta change or what they gotta stop doing, and I still got things I need to change and things I need to stop doing.

SPEAKER_10 1:24:46

But what I'm saying, you got a voice. So, you know, just this is me just speaking. You you got a voice, man, and you got a follow on people looking at you. You definitely got a voice, move. You got a voice, man. I think that, you know, you may, you may be looking at sometimes I tell them this all the time, we could be looking over here for something, but you know what I mean, everything you want is over here.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:07

Right.

SPEAKER_10 1:25:07

And by you probably changing that and speaking to this, the youth in a different way, you may find yourself, you know, you never know where you can be at. You know what I'm saying? Because you you already lived it, you ex you experience it, nobody can't take that from you. You know, you've been through so much, nobody can't you've been to jail, everything. So nobody can't doubt your credibility as far as far as trying to guide them to the right way. So sometimes you might be looking over here and you're still in the mud, but you can go over here and find something different.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:36

No, that's a hundred, and that's another thing. You 100% right about that. Like, I feel like I got a better chance than like somebody more older. And I feel like the reason why like the people like my age and under me and all that don't be listening, because I'm gonna tell you what was a red flag for me when an old head was trying to put me up on game. Like, and the conversation, what I was hearing was, yeah, back then this, back then this, back then this, back then. Yeah, we could talk about back then all day, but we're not in back then no more. You know what I'm saying? We're here right now. You know what I'm saying? Them things that work for you, they probably just don't work no more. You know what I'm saying? Like, uh, that's what was messing me up. Like, if you gotta put it in today's hair time for us, that's what it is. We don't want to hear about the old times, we don't want to hear about how it was back then. You I need to know about what's the consequence, what's at stake and what's what can happen right here, right now. That's what it is. I don't want to hear about all the war stories, the old war stories and all that. I want to hear about now.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:38

That's what it is. And I feel like these young boys be feeling like, like, like, oh, like, I don't know, bro. The way everybody looks at shit is so fucking dumb, bro. Like, this shit is weird out here, bro. Like, if you don't got no wreck, or if you ain't wrecking, uh, don't you want to hear nothing you talking about? I don't want to listen to you, I don't wanna, you know what I'm saying? I guarantee you, you bust a nigga ass and then pull a group of young boys, like you're saying, come wreck with me. You gonna have everybody's attention. They all gonna listen to you. Not take a single eye off you.

SPEAKER_10 1:27:06

And then in the county, you're looking at a bunch of young bulls in there, they they fighting murders, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:11

Everybody fighting bodies. That shit not even nothing.

SPEAKER_10 1:27:14

And they ain't got no lawyers. No lawyers, nothing. They might got no money on their books.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:17

No. They in there struggling. Taking bags, everything. Everything. I was with them niggas that was doing that. No money, no nothing, and you don't got nothing, like, no family support or not. The only way you're gonna survive is if you grab your knife or you fuck around when you need a knife with your bare hands, your sneakers, and go take that man back, go take the next man fool. Go take that shit from the next man.

SPEAKER_10 1:27:41

And then they get upstate and it's a whole different ball game, cause you know, fighting the body with a public defender. You know, man, it's just it's just unfortunate, man. Like, you know, we we gotta try to tap in, man. Make sure y'all, you know, uh, y'all, if you if you have a loved one, a a a kid, a a child, whatever it is. Around you, man. You see them doing it. Just try, man. Just continuously try. Because we losing our youth out here, man, at a warming rate, man. Hey young, I'm asking you a question though, young. Well, you and him, and hearing hearing them say that. And think about us. We was like 12, 13, 14. And here and hearing well hear hearing him say that do you think that we was because he said is it's different now. Do you think it's similar to when we was young? Is it still any any similarity? I know we lost we lost Ian Rock when we was young. But it wasn't at this rate where the people was people getting killed and going to jail, but it wasn't like it is now.

SPEAKER_11 1:28:37

No, it was more so. It's night and day when we was young, to where they was young, the way they growing up. It was night and day. Like you had your murders, motherfuckers was getting killed, shit wasn't sweet. But now the murdering is at an alarming rate and it's for nothing. I mean, I can't say for nothing. Let me retract that because I don't know. When I say for nothing, we killed over some money. Don't make it right. Now and they, no, don't make it right. But it was something. Money is something. Money, you know, I like to say I'll stop breathing if I ain't got none. But you know, now and they like we like a lot of the homies that just got indicted. A lot of them that's from my neighborhood, that's my my brother's sons yapping on them. Hear about all the violence. Like, when you hear about indictments, when we got indictment back in our time, and I know you don't like to hear this shit, but I just like to measure it up. They'll have on the news article, men indicted 18 of them. It'd be a table with guns, money, drugs. All you see in there in these band, all guns and violence. Yeah. No money.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:39

You don't see no money, no drugs.

SPEAKER_11 1:29:41

No drugs, nothing. Just killing, shooting, carjacking, shooting over here, another shooting over there, kidnapped there. I'm like, damn, this all wrap with the money. Not to say, because all of it is bad. But I just think it was a little bit more, I think we was a little bit more without. Because a lot of kids come up, like you said, you come up, you got a good mind. Like you had on your back.

SPEAKER_10 1:30:04

Like you had a paid lawyer. Fight your murderer.

SPEAKER_11 1:30:06

Yeah, exactly. Fight my mind. Every time I went to jail, I had a paid lawyer.

SPEAKER_10 1:30:09

And these, these now, a lot of these young bulls, so many of them.

SPEAKER_11 1:30:13

Yeah, they're going in there with PDs and some of them getting paid lawyers, but a lot of them don't even know their case. I was just over there for the violation. I'm in there with a dude that killed another dude in the vestibule, and it was like a bullshit drone. But I'm like, damn, you killed him and all this and that. I'm like, damn, what you gotta do? He's like, I don't know. I ain't talked to my corner point in like seven months. Seven months, you ain't talking to no attorney, you just been in here.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:34

This nigga 22. Sitting around. You could be in that law library and all that doing shit for yourself. You just sitting around. Just get yeah. It's different.

SPEAKER_11 1:30:42

It's different, man. Damn. But yeah, you'll take us into the middle of the night, three hours and all that. You know, we gotta get to these calls. All right. We gotta get these cards. Yeah, because that's up here. I'm interested with a young guy, man. Not only is you interested, you more heartfelt that want to reach out there and try to, you know, but you only can, like you said, you only can lead a person to the water. They got a drink.

SPEAKER_10 1:31:03

Because I got a son, man. You know, my son 20. And my son, you know, he's not out here shooting stuff up, but you know, he going through what he's going through. And I'm trying, I try to be there, be there for him as much as I can. And it leads us to clashing. We clash, but I try to still be there. I just, you know, I never really showed him no tough love. I'm saying I never really showed, I just try to be like all right, no man, whatever he's going through. But it's just like, what do you do, man? But I just gotta keep being a father, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:32

I'm uh I'm big on like the no matter how old somebody is, like a one-year-old could teach me something. You know what I'm saying? No matter how old somebody is, somebody could teach you something. On that note right there, like when you said like you got a son and y'all be talking and be leaning y'all the clashing, I'm telling you. Telling you. You may as well just clash and just do that, bro. Do that. It's going to work. Cause you did, because you did. Yeah, you're going, it's there. Like you probably think it ain't playing a part, like even like you probably think it's not playing a part, it's playing a part.

SPEAKER_11 1:32:04

Hands on, you hanging on. Whether you talking or clashing, you hang on all the time.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:08

You playing a big thing.

SPEAKER_10 1:32:09

So continue, keep clashing with me.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:11

You right there, you own everything. For everything, don't because some old heads like, I know how this should be going. Like, maybe no, maybe I am trim, or maybe I do need to fall back. Man, I'm falling back. You know what I'm saying? And you never fall back and you never let him go too far to where the leader is.

SPEAKER_10 1:32:26

Yeah, you can't catch him. And I'm being I appreciate that. See, I had to hear that from the young guys. Yeah, I would have. I mean, I'm gonna keep being informed, but just to hear that, that's like reassurance for me.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:34

From cold blood.

SPEAKER_10 1:32:36

I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:36

Yeah, you can't do it, that's it'd be the worst.

SPEAKER_10 1:32:39

You can't clash with them. You wish we could clash with them.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:45

Talking to the mic, I want them to hear you. Dude, dudes would be like, damn, Rico, you about to grind me. Like I come around, dudes tighten up, you feel me? Like, well, big bros. They I want to see them on their best job, but it's like dudes tighten up because they know like I'ma grind, I ain't gonna turn the cheek. I don't care what it is, like I'ma I'ma I'ma grind you up about it. Like, we you strong as the weakest person, you feel me? Like, so it's like we can't let nothing slide. So it's like it was times when I feel like dang I'm bumping heads with somebody, and I fall back from speaking up, and that person get killed.

SPEAKER_10 1:33:16

It's like you a witch, you know what I mean? So imagine that that was your son. And then you fell back and he got killed or went to jail for a month's time.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:24

Now you feel like a straight say nothing no more. And that'd be that'd be everybody's biggest problem, right? It'd be these old heads, the mom, the the uh, the grandmom and all that. You feel me? He kept running away. You you he ran away the first time, you probably try to go out there and go get him, go find him. You are all night. He ran away the second time, you probably did the same thing the third time. Man, let his ass stay out there. Let him run around. Now go ahead, let him be at his friends and all that. Now you get that call three, four o'clock in the morning, your son was killed, or they now feel him just turned around the corner or whatever, or shot, whatever. And you know the first thing everybody do, oh I wish I could've done, oh I shoulda did that. Oh no. It's all the woulda, coulda, shoulda's in the world. Keep fighting, man. It's all the woulda, coulda, shoulda's of the world, but that's what I got from it. Keep fighting. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Woulda, coulda, shoulda's ain't bringing that young boy back or getting that nigga out of jail or paying his lawyer or paying his bell.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:13

Then when somebody passed, they call him my my baby. They took my baby. But two weeks ago, when they was trying to get him to get some some straight naked, trying to get him to get some understanding and take heed. It was, you wanna be grown, get out there, be grown. As soon as they get hit or whatever, is oh my baby. That's a bad joint. You feel me? Like you can't, I don't know, it's crippling.

SPEAKER_10 1:34:36

Yo, that's crazy, man. That y'all said that's a hell of a point, a hell of a point of view, man. Shout out to Randy Watson, man. 007. Is this song to Randy Watson from uh Coming to America? Y'all probably know what that is. Y'all know what that is? All right. Yeah, but uh shout out to Randy Watson, man. Um but yeah, man, I just sit back and I and I and I'm glad I got the opportunity to speak to y'all, man. And now the audience get an opportunity to speak to y'all, man. They can talk to y'all live in the chat, man. Um the phone number 215-316-4492. That's 215-316-4492. What we got coming up, though, V.

SPEAKER_11 1:35:14

We got to start your man. Yeah, y'all invited too.

SPEAKER_10 1:35:16

We got a live event coming uh July 18th. The live event at uh live cafe on uh on Walnut Street. Y'all, y'all gonna y'all can come through, man. Um, tickets will go on sale tomorrow. Uh tickets will be available tomorrow. Uh, we'll have a link in the bio. So y'all once y'all want to see y'all there, may y'all come down. You know, we're gonna do a live event, man. And maybe y'all can be a part of the show, man. So we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna see what we can do. I want to involve y'all as much as I can into what we got going on because I ain't gonna lie, I don't want to see y'all to no, because I speak to a lot, a lot of young guys up here, and all y'all are unique in your own way. I think that if y'all was able to pull together as far as like coming together and deal each other together, coming together, y'all, man. It's gotta be a limit, man. You're unstoppable. Because y'all really like leaders. Y'all got y'all a lot of y'all show a lot of um the mentality of being being leaders. And y'all in and in, we can all be leaders together, but y'all smell y'all just feed off of each other instead of y'all. Y'all don't clash. And if y'all do clash, it's like we just clashing to get better. Not clashing to separate. You know, if it makes any sense. Y'all smell y'all together. And I and I mean I just want to see y'all continue to do that, man. 215-316-4492. 215-316-4492. Okay, yeah, give us give the phone second to come on, man. Hopefully I paid the bill. I had it on auto pay, so hopefully we'll see what's going on. But uh, yeah, shout out to my guy, man, Randy Watson, for the uh donation. Shout out to everybody in the chat. Diesel 18, Turkey Benz, you know, my guy, you know, James LaFlames, Dark Skin Beauty, Neif Buck 316, you know, everybody. Tiki Tiki Chan 93, Ski B7U, I I just Maddie Twin Man, come on, man. You go for everybody. Name about a phone coming up.

SPEAKER_11 1:37:09

We talk about the phone coming up. Family, shout out to everybody in the chat. Got everybody to chat, man. This man going them skinny bee, leg little tip.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:19

I want to say something else to the uh real quick. Like, them niggas that you jumping around with, them niggas that you all in them videos with and all that. The minute them cuffs go on you, them niggas is gone. You hear me? Wow. Them niggas gone. Believe me, listen, them niggas is gone. I just did two years, two years straight, ten months in solitary confinement. How long you been home then? I've only been home for 13 days. I haven't even been two weeks. On for 13 days. But I could count on my hand and literally probably one. It'd be a blessing if I could count on two. How many times niggas sent me time, called me, checked on my mom or or anything. You feel me? Anything. But then niggas all teeth and pies, a hundred niggas, you feel me, as soon as you come home, as soon as you get to the crib, you feel me? Niggas is not your friends when you die. It ain't no fucking bunk beds, ain't no fucking party caskets and all that when it could be five or six of you and your homies in there. It don't matter if you died in a group, you died in a crowd, you in that casket by yourself. There's only you there. There's only you there.

SPEAKER_11 1:38:30

They told me, they told me, man, about you on State Road, man. When around getting busy on fast break members. It was your door up there that you still just.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:43

We not even put a title on who it was on. It was on everybody. Right. Just everybody. But not on no dumbass crash out chasing shit. Like, that's the way you gotta be in there. You know what I'm saying? Like you have to be that way. Either eat or be eat. Even if you don't wanna be. You gotta be that way. Yeah, even if you don't wanna be. Like, it was times like, listen, right? Like, it's so much that I now did on still. I got all my write-ups and all that. And I've been to the hole more than 40 plus times. Like I just told you, I did 10 months in solitary confinement to be Pacific January 5th to October 9th. Solitary confinement. Down there the whole 2025. But I'm gonna be honest, bro. You have to be like that in there the first time you show weaknesses on. Like it was niggas now see me punch, stab, kick, spit, all types of shit. The niggas got up there. All types of shit. Like it ain't nothing too much you're gonna be able to see that I ain't do to a nigga in there. And even still, my rink and my hand will be tested. Still will be tested. Like you ain't just see me do everything in the world to this nigga, you still gonna test me. Just because you see a little bit of chill or you see me a little bit more humbler than I was two weeks ago or the other day. So now you feel like this is your opportunity to get your john or make your john off me or side. You have to be like that. You have to show teeth at all times. The minute you put them up, somebody's gonna show you their teeth.

SPEAKER_10 1:40:07

So who's your celly in there to? Like, I mean, you was you wasn't you was in in the hole the whole time. It's a phone call. Tell us with the jails, who you speaking with?

SPEAKER_07 1:40:16

Hey, Kev, out Island Town. What's going on, bro?

SPEAKER_10 1:40:19

What's up, Kev? How you doing, man?

SPEAKER_07 1:40:20

All right, all right. Hey, hey, I got a question, man. Hey, hey, hey, y'all saw that tilt that white boy out uh out of South Philly, right?

SPEAKER_10 1:40:28

Where? Where in South Philly?

SPEAKER_07 1:40:30

It was the uh the Penn State students, and all of them white people came out and they was they wasn't protesting, but they was just in support, stuff like that. And it was it was they was making a big deal because it was like he was doing the right thing, he wasn't in the streets, blah blah blah, and he killed them over a cell phone.

SPEAKER_11 1:40:45

What was this? Yeah, I heard about it, but I'm not rejecting it.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:48

Yeah, it was all on CBS, but the reason why I bring it up, right? It's because I mean, and I think shout out to the young men you got on the show and all that, but when the fuck are we as a people gonna start looking at our own people? Like if you and not that you're on the street, if you do some mistaken identity hometown, you rob a motherfucker who wants to arrest the right way, we start out passing them. Like, man, fuck y'all. Y'all are enemies to our community because when when a nigga fits, he rats, he okay, we quit the you know what I mean, be like, oh that fuck him, get him up out of here. But what about the bullshit that's killing people? Hey, hey, hey, hey, I heard you say, I don't even go to poppy store no more. You know what I'm saying? I can't even go in there and get a sandwich because motherfucker might get killed. They enemies to our community too, and ain't nobody saying I mean my pocket a lot of time upstairs, all that. And we I ain't saying they all bad people, you know what I mean? Because we all got ways, but when are we gonna start looking at them as you equivalent to a homosexual, you equivalent to a rat. Because you killing a kid and shit like that. You understand what I'm saying? But we'll be like, oh yeah, me and Paul just fucked up. You need redemption. Nah, nigga, they worse than the KK members. They're killing our people. And why we ain't saying nothing.

SPEAKER_10 1:42:02

Yeah, man. Thanks, man. Appreciate that, man. You makes it makes a lot of sense, man. Yo, shout out to Allentown, man. Thanks for the call, man. Appreciate you.

SPEAKER_11 1:42:08

All right, brother.

SPEAKER_10 1:42:10

Yeah, it made a lot of sense, man.

SPEAKER_11 1:42:11

You know, it just asked the question, though.

SPEAKER_10 1:42:13

What was the question he asked?

SPEAKER_11 1:42:14

The question he asked, like, do they do these people get looked at? Like how we look at the rats. Oh, he answered it.

SPEAKER_10 1:42:20

Basically, he answered what he said, but he kept going on. So he basically answered, but it's just that's just like a slippery slope because it is a slippery slope.

SPEAKER_11 1:42:29

That's why I wanted to see you answer.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:30

I agree on the main message that he was trying to give. Like, they enemies to the community too. But like, he started losing me once he started talking about they get looked at like rats and reasons and all that.

SPEAKER_10 1:42:42

You don't put them in a category like that. Tell us Mr.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:45

Jels, we speaking with we speak with Abdul Hakim, man. I wanted to uh say Salamalake and rock my salad to y'all, bro.

SPEAKER_10 1:42:55

What's up, bro? What's going on?

SPEAKER_05 1:42:56

Man, I'm respecting what y'all brothers doing, man. I cannot stop listening to y'all y'all like I caught up with you about two weeks ago. 24-7 in this reason, bro. The young brothers, because I said work with young brothers before. You need to get with some brothers with communications like you do because you're gonna get to the uh issues and the young boys gonna be able to get on Dominican, bro.

SPEAKER_10 1:43:34

Appreciate that.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:41

I appreciate you, man.

SPEAKER_11 1:43:44

Hey, let me ask you a question before you go. Is you from Baltimore?

SPEAKER_05 1:43:46

What's up, bro? Yeah, Baltimore, brother. Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:43:49

I can tell how you're talking, but have a good day, man. Thanks for the support.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:53

Y'all already know it, man.

SPEAKER_10 1:43:56

Yeah, man. So, you know, yeah, I mean, the last question. Last question he had is just for for us trying to, you know, trying to basically certain things I think is gonna be hard to break. Well, it can be done, but I think it's gonna be hard to break certain things because the snitch, like I was heard something about the whole snitching thing, right? The whole telling thing. People want it'll take people, even though people might might say, like, somebody kill somebody, it might be right to tell that they that they killed somebody. But it's gonna be hard to get people to say, to come to court or call the toxic say, I saw that happen. It's not, it's gonna be it's gonna take a while because snitches looked at so much frowned upon. It's gonna be hard. Yeah, so it's gonna be hard to it's gonna be hard to break that. It's gonna be hard to break because at the end of the day, like if you see somebody kill somebody, we believe it's wrong.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:52

Then again, no, it ain't gonna be too hard to break that. I mean, it looked like it's broken already. You feel me? Yeah, I'm gonna be honest with you. I had to realize it already. Reality had to hit me real quick. Like, you could tell and still come around and all that. You could tell, and all you gotta do is go to the next hood. You feel me? And build your name in the next hood, and then you cool again. You back boy, you back him. You this tool, and they've got a nigga Wills and all that, got a nigga sitting in the eight by ten thousand.

SPEAKER_10 1:45:16

But listen, that kind of snitching is I think that's yeah, that kind of snitching right there is is prevalent. I'm talking about like the snitching words though, like, all right, they just tell us from the jails we speaking with. Tell us from the jails we speaking with. What I was saying, like, say like I'm outside and I and I see somebody come up and shoot somebody and I call the cops, like right there. Like I think for us, our community, we ain't really doing nothing like that. We just be like, shh, I ain't killed. Now, behind closed doors, like you said, that happens all the time where somebody go in there, like, yo, when they get in a clank, then I'm gonna tell on you because I know what you did, and now I'm and I'm gonna go to the next hood. But as far as like people just normally just calling right then, I'm talking about us, our even even our age group, we don't really we don't tell. No. Like, like straight call cops and tell people normally get into like a situation where it forces them to actually tell, or they want to tell to get out of a situation that they in more so for me. That's how I see it. I don't know if y'all see it the same way.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:21

My little cousin brick son, we four or five. I keep telling. I seen my fucking get in trouble for telling. He told on me two times in one day. You keep telling on them. They told you.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:31

I seen it to get a beating for that. I just popped my son the other day for telling. All right, he started telling.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:39

Twirk not to tell.

SPEAKER_10 1:46:41

215-316-4492, 215-316-4492. And like I said, so it's be it'd be like a time, a time where we gotta, you know, take time to break certain rules and rules of telling. I mean, but like you said, they doing it all, they're doing it at a lama reach, they tell them like crazy down there, down uh downtown. What's up, man? Shout out to Uptown, what's going on?

SPEAKER_11 1:47:53

Yeah, they can pull it up. Yo, you goddamn right. Long zero paperwork, they can go find it. Yeah, yeah, they go go get the paperwork. They will go retrieve that paperwork and expose you. Once you tell you, what you tell you documented forever. Yeah, so it ain't it's it might it might take a little longer to find it, but it's there. You gotta just find it. So a rat is never safe. His statements have to be documented.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:24

Sure.

SPEAKER_11 1:48:25

In order to be a rat. But yeah, that it'll definitely follow him from state to the federal penitentiary.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:31

Okay, brother. Be good, man. You too. You know, always do the right thing, man.

SPEAKER_11 1:48:38

All right, man. Shout out to you, man. Thanks for calling in, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:41

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_11 1:48:42

600 months. He said, yeah, 600 months was 32 years. No, that ain't 30. It's way more than 32 years. 32 years is 384. That's what I had. 384 is 32 years exactly. 600? It started to say 70. Yeah, 70 ball, Jamal. I get with you. That's called a you say 300 months, that's called a I get with you on a back block.

SPEAKER_10 1:49:09

Yeah, but like you said, he said he he miscounted. He didn't win as you know, I only got 32 years.

SPEAKER_11 1:49:13

Yeah, but oh nah. You had to put another 32 on it. Oh no, you got to come back with that number. Tell me what that did. That's how the feds really toss up for another 32 on it. Yeah, tell me how you bro, bro.

SPEAKER_10 1:49:24

That's just bad. Yeah, because you know you the feds give it to you, give you, give you the time like that. I think it's it's done like that on purpose to make you um you don't it sound good. It don't sound too crazy.

SPEAKER_11 1:49:36

Yeah, 600 months don't sound crazy until you three days later, you like like look, no lie, 600 months.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:43

Like, I'm just thinking about if you can tell you that like 600 months. I'm gonna think 600 days.

SPEAKER_10 1:49:48

Probably. That's how I was gonna hit you like 600 days.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:50

Tell us from the jail, so we speak with Abdul Salam came out of my area. Hey, how y'all brothers doing things?

SPEAKER_10 1:49:57

Well, you're salam. What's going on with you, man? How you feeling?

SPEAKER_08 1:50:00

I'm good. You know what I'm thinking about uh I mean when we got the call draw a couple minutes ago to talk about um making the closest shit accountable just like all the other people with regard. My whole thing is this if they were to put a a um a reward out on everybody voting the rip, my friend is be called the platform. I mean always got people need more bad calls. They gotta and if they got it often a moment from the rip up over the waiting year later and the family and the $20,000 reward a year later. They say $20,000 reward for this everybody be getting locked the fuck up.

SPEAKER_10 1:50:49

Yeah, man. They are giving the rewards out though. They be out there. If the family press the issue enough, they they will get a reward out there.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:58

Yeah, but in the simple to the death, you notice it takes like a year once the murder happens for the team to put the 20,000 off.

SPEAKER_10 1:51:08

Mm-hmm. Well, you know, there's something that we gotta discuss, man. You know, these these rewards, I mean this reward money, but I I just I just gotta figure out a way to try to, you know, prevention is the is the best cure, man. I I I believe, man. Prevention. But man, thank thanks for calling, man. I appreciate you, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:27

No doubt.

SPEAKER_10 1:51:28

Yeah, man. I like them uh pants, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:31

I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_10 1:51:33

You know, um when you got people that's uh that's you know that's breaking law, right? Out here breaking law committing crimes, whether they're shooting, whether they whether they robbing. To the homies, a lot of times, you know, to somebody, you never be unbeknownst to you, it could be somebody around you that's actually really a snitch that might be actually really telling on you. So when you spread your root, like I did that, I did this, that person can just be gathering information and really waiting to just tell.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:56

Yeah, I never seen that a thousand times.

SPEAKER_10 1:51:58

And then sometimes people already know what they're gonna do if they get into a clink. They know I'm gonna, I'm listening, I'm telling. They they know in their mind what they're gonna do already.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:05

Yo, it's crazy. That's another thing. I was telling a nigga, I was telling a, I was telling the old, it said I had to tell a grown-ass man that's in jail. I was just telling a nigga this right before I left. Nigga call itself giving niggas some game and all that. He like, yeah, because majority of y'all young boys, you feel me? Y'all niggas be killers, y'all niggas be shooters and like real life murderers, but like when y'all get in them rooms, y'all turn the rants. Like all the killing and all the murdering go out of y'all, you turn into a ray. I had to correct me. I'm like, hold on, no, no, no. You don't turn into anything. You know what I'm saying? You don't just turn into nothing. Like, that's just not how that go. You don't just turn into nothing. That was already there in you. That is you, that's who you are. You get what I'm saying? You just need a situation. We just need the situation to put you in to bring it out. You never got put in none of these situations. Like a lot of these bulls that's out here doing whatever they're doing now, and the bulls, the whatever you want to call these niggas. Like, these niggas is bulls and all that now to y'all and all that, because y'all never been, you never got put in a situation that show like how much of a bull you really is. You get what I'm saying? Like none of these niggas ain't never been in a situation where it's 60 niggas on the block, ten of these niggas outs, and it's just you. Let's see if you're gonna stand on everything that you were just talking about in them songs and all that. Let's see what you really going on. Let's see what's really going on. And nine times out of ten is what they don't check it in. They checking right in. A lot of these dudes that's on that indictment, a lot of these dudes from both sides, not just they side. You know what I'm saying? Don't stand on business at all. You feel me? I don't know why y'all waited so long though. Why would y'all be out here doing all this? You feel me? Now you facing 50, 60 years, and now you want to decide to change. And be like, no, that shit wasn't even worth it. Now we friends, and now we praying together, we eating together and all that. Why we wait so long? Why we wait till this jump right here? But it goes back on what I was telling you when I feel like what I was a victim of, we don't realize the reality or don't know what's really going on until it's too late. It's too late, it gets too late, and then it's just like, now what? Now you just gotta move forward. You gotta just go with it. Ain't nothing you can do no matter how many times you scream, cry, wish, pray. Ain't none of that's doing nothing. All you gots to do is move forward. Literally. Like, no matter how many times I cry, wish, the amount of money I could sign 30, 40 deals right now today or tomorrow. I can't bring my big brother back. I can't bring my friends back. I can't go get bro out there in jail. So you know what I'm saying? I can't. I just literally gotta be forced to move on with it and just deal with it.

SPEAKER_10 1:54:49

Yo, man, it's crazy, man. Listen, y'all, man. Uh, make sure y'all hit that like button. I want to say this one more time before we get up out of here, man. Y'all uh make sure that y'all be available or come out to the live event July 18th. Tickets will be available tomorrow. I believe tomorrow. They'll be available. Um, you know, we're gonna have a great event July 18th at the live cafe center on Walnut Street. Um and like I said, y'all are invited, yep, y'all are invited to the show. Um, before I get out here, I want to say something before we go, man. I want to say that um I really appreciated this interview. Uh, I think that speaking to y'all and and speaking, really just speaking to the young ones, y'all give y'all gave me a I want to see y'all kind of schooled me or something. Especially the aspect of the first time me runaway, I'm looking for him. Second time runaway, I'm looking for him. Third time, I'm like, man, you know what? Let him go out there and something happen. He's gonna learn, he gotta learn. You know what I'm saying? That was an eye-opener for me, man. For real. Honestly, man. I really appreciate that, man. Anything you want to say, young?

SPEAKER_11 1:55:49

Man, you already know my spill. I love the knowledge that these young men is coming up here bringing, man. And I I can I can relate to them more so than a lot of people, man, because of what I went through and what I'm currently going through as a grown man. I still have my trying times, but I'm just a little bit more smarter now. And I know it's certain shit that I can't go back and do if I want to stay out of that penitentiary. But man, again, man, everybody, man, think, man. Use it three to five seconds, man. Any choice that you make in life, give it three to five more seconds through it. That three to five seconds could ruin your life or cause you to save your life. Just three to five. That ain't long at all. Three to five seconds, man, on any choice that you make in life. That's what I think. Man, female, child, anybody I think can use that advice.

SPEAKER_10 1:56:36

I wanna say something too, man. Shout out to uh Hot Boy Chili. Shout out to you, man. Listen, I'm keeping it gray until they pay, man. When I get paid, that's when I'm gonna dye my hair. So y'all know we gotta pay when I dye my hair, man. I'm keeping it gray until they pay, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:51

If possible, I'll like to say sign the check out, but uh when a dancer is no dough, like as far as like the old heads and all that, they got young boys out here, or you got like grass from young boys, or you could get a group of young boys and all that. It don't matter if everybody in the group don't listen. If one just listened, you you you did sign, you did a change, you know what I'm saying? Because that one could go teach the other one, and that other one could go teach the next one. The next thing you know, you got a handful of them, you know what I'm saying? Now you got a handful of young boys, you know what I'm saying? Look, you got that handful of young boys with just one young boy. So imagine what you could do with a handful of them. You know what I'm saying? Another thing, your loved ones, hold them tight. You feel me? Like, don't be giving up on them and all that. I know that shit get hard, shit get stressful. You got your own shit you got going on in life to be chasing somebody else's life or telling them how they should live their life and all that. You'll be surprised what just a few words could do. Like, you'll be surprised that's where some of my folks went wrong at, like, just let me go out and bump my head on his own. Some bonds never been rebuilt or rekindled since then. Like, we ain't never meet back up or link back up. Some I can't because they not, unfortunately, they just not here no more. And another thing, like, fuck what everybody else talking about. Worry about you. You get what I'm saying? Nobody not gonna care for you how you gonna care for yourself. Nobody's not gonna be there for you, how you gonna be there for you. All these niggas could be in your face smiling every day, they with you and all that. I'm telling you, them niggas don't be with you. Niggas ain't friends, them niggas friends up until them chains come or to the grave come. You get what I'm saying? And even when them times come, they friends just a little bit longer and then they disappear on you. That's all that's it, man.

SPEAKER_10 1:58:28

Yeah, that was major. That was major, man. Anything you want to say before we get up out of here? Any message you want to?

SPEAKER_04 1:58:34

Throw hit her on the head, you feel me? No compromising, you feel me? One day at a time, keep pushing the needle.

SPEAKER_10 1:58:41

Yo, listen, um, I want to say one more thing before we get up out of here, man. I just want to say that um, you know, um, I know I said it before, I don't want to keep y'all told I know y'all got stuff y'all gotta do, but these young guys came up here and I said they enlightened me a lot, man. And um and I opened my eyes to, you know, where I need to be as a parent. But knowing that and saying that, y'all parents need to be watching. Anything y'all want to say to y'all parents, or you know, that's maybe watching this.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:08

Yeah, I love you. You know, I apologize for everything. I wish I could change it. You know how you know my heart, you know my body, you know, all this shit'll be different. Never mean to bring none of that stuff on you.

SPEAKER_10 1:59:23

You 21, man, you got sky's limit. You you 25, y'all y'all, y'all kids. Anything you want to say to your mom that we might be listening, your parents, anybody out there that may be listening?

SPEAKER_04 1:59:34

You gonna we gonna keep we gonna keep working and keep putting the best foot forward every day.

SPEAKER_10 1:59:44

Okay. Yeah, man. Um, you young, you ask something you said something already? All right, so listen, y'all want to thank everybody for tuning in and tell us from the jails. Tell us from jails is sponsored by TNS Media Group. Tell us from Jails is here to uh deter you from going to prison. We do not glorify prison at all. You know, we just uh bring real stories, real life events, things that happen or things that are going on, and the one thing.