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SPEAKER_08 4:52

What's up? What's up, everybody? I know it is Tell us from the Jails. We're here live in Parum. Power Rooms USA TNS Media Group is the team in the family. You already know I got my counterpart, uh, Mr. Braheem Jackson here with me. And we got a special guest here today with us, uh, Don. Where you from, Don exactly?

SPEAKER_09 5:09

52nd of Parkside.

SPEAKER_08 5:11

52nd of Parkside. So, yeah, uh, you know, tell us from the jails. Just want to put the disclaimer out there. Tell us from the jails, we do not glorify going to prison in any way. But what we do is we bring you real live stories, real live events from real live people. This is no made-up stuff. This is not this is all fact. You know, uh, these guys and people that come here on this podcast and speak the truth every time out. So, what's going on, young?

SPEAKER_10 5:32

Ain't nothing, man. Today we ready to get into a Monday. No, Monday is my day. I like Monday because you know you wake up as the beginning of the week. You know, I mean, we're gonna get right to it with some real live information from a man that's been through it. So, Don, man, you know, tell me a little bit about yourself, man, before you got incarcerated for your time, before we even get to putting out how much time you did and all that. But what life did you lead to go go get incarcerated?

SPEAKER_09 5:56

Actually, I was a good kid, man. Yeah, yeah. I had two.

SPEAKER_10 5:59

You went out there fucking around? Come on, Dom.

SPEAKER_09 6:01

No, I'm saying that came later.

SPEAKER_10 6:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 6:03

Like, I really was a good kid at first, though.

SPEAKER_10 6:05

Right.

SPEAKER_09 6:05

If I'm being honest, like overbrook messed my life up.

SPEAKER_10 6:08

You think so? Yeah. You think you think school sometimes cool prior to that? What was it? Was it the peer pressure or the trends that everybody wanted?

SPEAKER_09 6:16

Um, I'd be a fraud if I say like peer pressure then like like was a part of it. Right. But the fact that like I never was a nut, so stuff that was going on, it was like, nah, only one way to carry that. Yeah, you know what I mean? So that led in the other things. All right, so let's get back to where I was a kid.

SPEAKER_10 6:37

Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_09 6:38

I'm from West Philly, so I'm Parkside area. We grew up like everybody else, slap boxing, playing ball. What era was this?

SPEAKER_10 6:44

What era? Because you know, these these kids don't grow up like us.

SPEAKER_09 6:48

So early 90s, like you know what I mean? Like, um that era, exactly. You know what I mean? Early 90s and all that kind of stuff, you know, playing ball, sunny hill.

SPEAKER_08 6:56

If anybody remember that, yeah, that down to uh Pluster back in the day.

SPEAKER_09 7:00

Yeah, but they had it up parkside too. I don't know if it was first, but for sure they had it on parkside. That was like 91, 92, too. Wow, yeah, yeah. So, like playing ball, just doing a little stuff like that. Um, football, all the little sports, swimming, hand hunt, all that kind of stuff. I was just a kid first. So before I was actually dying, I was little dying. You know what I mean? I I took steps, it wasn't just you just jump right off the porch, hey, I'm dying. No, like he was little Donald. I mean, people still call me to this day, little duck. My dad is big duck, you know what I mean? So um, like, yeah, I had a good, I had a good like raising, man. I always like say the phrase like um, I never was a dummy, I just did dumb shit.

SPEAKER_10 7:44

So it'd be safe for me to say all the time it ain't the parents, because you know a lot of people, and I think it sometimes too, it's the parents for how the kids turn out.

SPEAKER_09 7:49

Yeah, no. I had my dad live and direct. Your dad. My pop was dead.

SPEAKER_10 7:54

Ain't too many of us got up on this couch and said they had the dead.

SPEAKER_09 7:57

I love my dad to death, right? Like live and direct. Always dead.

SPEAKER_08 8:02

Let me ask you a question though. So you said you you mentioned that you was um you was a good kid. Um, I don't know if I missed this or not, but uh, when was it the turning point for you where though you either quit your first case or you started to indulge into the street stuff?

SPEAKER_09 8:16

Um, I'm saying unfortunately, right, like all the street stuff was around me, right? And uh I just was one of the young boys from around my way that like everybody loved me. So like even like the dudes that was like out in the streets and dope doors that was a little older and stuff like that, they all like loved me. So I seen it, but having my mom, my dad there kind of kept me, you know, I mean, grounded. Like it wasn't just like oh all right, why I'm in the streets now. Once I got to high school, man, I I I begged my dad, man. He transferred me out of Lincoln High School and I went to Overbrook. That was like 99. Ah man, that was like the but it was some of the best years of my life, if I'm being honest, because but no high school like Overbrook. But I'm telling you, man.

SPEAKER_08 8:59

Yeah, high school. I mean, back when I was in high school, I graduated high school in 2000, and that's launched 20 over about 26 years ago. But overbrook at that time had the girl that I would leave uni. I would drive from my school, leave my school early at U City that's all the way down the avenue. Like we used to like what 34th. 34th, yeah, down there. I would drive from there up to catch overbrook let out.

SPEAKER_09 9:24

Yeah, I used to leave Brooke early and go catch Lamberton. Lamberton had got out like 15-20 minutes earlier than Brooke. And I would catch that because that Lamberton wave was different. Like the girls back, Havford Avenue, all that. That was like different if you had one of them. Like you was he was in the game.

SPEAKER_08 9:42

So what was your first case? First case you you have a court.

SPEAKER_09 9:45

My first case I have a court was in Overgrowth. It was on a teacher. I'm this here. So I um it was a girl from around my way, she was in this class, and um, I used to always go in a class and like mess with her because she never used to really go to school. So I would go in a class, mess with her, talk little stuff to her, whatever. And her girlfriend happened to be in the class, she liked me. And she had asked my friend one time, like, yo, who is that, or whatever. So now I'm coming there more often because she, you know what I mean? And the teacher had locked me in one time. Was like, listen, like, you know, I'm tired of you keep running to my class and all that. Like, I'm gonna lock you. I'm calling the NCAs. I'm telling ladies, like, look, just open the door, let me leave. Or I'm gonna bring, I'm gonna come back with 50 people. Like, just let me out of this drone. She didn't even want to let me out. So she really started calling the people, and I'm like, Oh man, my name already be poured up in this drone, about all this stuff. I know if I get caught in somebody else's class, they're gonna suspend me, or whatever the case may be. So I didn't push the lady out, man. I grabbed the doorknob and I kind of like I got out the way, so she didn't know who I was.

SPEAKER_10 10:48

But she didn't even know who you was, man.

SPEAKER_09 10:49

No, so I stopped going on the floor for like a little minute. Like I stopped going on the floor, but you know, I was chasing, yeah, and she wound up catching me again and found out my name. And man, I remember one day they just came in school and locked me up.

SPEAKER_10 11:01

They locked you up. Who was the choice?

SPEAKER_09 11:04

Yeah, I had a whole case for that.

SPEAKER_10 11:06

Yeah, but move they say you moved out of the way, bringing out the classroom. Yep, yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_09 11:12

Yeah, I don't think I wound up in like probation or something for that case, something like that. But yeah, that was like my very first case.

SPEAKER_08 11:18

All right, so after that, you know, you you catch that case as a juvenile, it got worse. Was that your first juvenile case? So sorry, was that your only juvenile case?

SPEAKER_09 11:27

Um no, all my cases actually was juvenile. Really? Yep. Every last case I ever had was juvenile case because I went to jail when I was 17 years old. Okay, I didn't get it, and I stayed till I was 37.

SPEAKER_08 11:38

So all right, so let's get to that. So to fix it, dang it unfortunately over there.

SPEAKER_09 11:47

No, no, we don't never praise it again. I ain't praising no jail. Like that's like I lost a lot of family and all that behind them, Johns, bro. So I mean, but that's my experience.

SPEAKER_08 11:56

We're gonna we're gonna get to all that quick. So 17, what was the case? Did you court at 17 allowed you to do all that time with it? What's that 13 years, 12, 13 years?

SPEAKER_09 12:05

20.

SPEAKER_08 12:05

I think she left so you start 17 to 31. 37. Oh, 37. Oh, my bad. That's my bad. Get them all his get them jaws. Don't take them, don't take no years above it. Give me every last second. 17 to 37. A dub in in jail. Um, so what happened? What what was the case that you caught that you know led you to you know being away for that amount of time at you know, 17 years old?

SPEAKER_09 12:30

Um, so I had a co-defender, and um, just me and my random man, like if I'm being like you know honest, like at that time, it was stuff going on around the time, and like uh my man really wasn't like running around a little like that, right? And it was an older guy that had a little influence over us, and then especially me, especially at that time, right? And um, he had came on the block and was saying all this weird stuff about how my man don't really be moving, it was stuff we haven't up brook, he ain't around and all that. I'm like, but me, I always kind of was like the chill dude. Like I never like imposed nothing on none of my friends that wasn't in the stuff that I was into, yeah. So I ain't really didn't say nothing. I just you know we're laughing and laughing and laughing. My man get all piped up and look, I do this, I do that, and all that. So I'm like, come on, bro. Like, we like, man, we can go do this right now and all that, right? So I'm like, nah, you you bullshit, you bluffing, bro. Like, whatever, chill. Man, I swear, bro, five minutes later, that dude comes back running through the aisle. He's strapped up, he got a mask on and all this crap. We like, man, we doing it. And man, that was the worst decision I ever made in my life. From that decision right there, if something that small, bro, turned into me getting a life set.

SPEAKER_10 13:44

Could you get into it?

SPEAKER_09 13:45

Would you yeah, yeah, because it's over, man. Like, so like it was like a storage room, and we ain't going there like with the intentions on like robbing and none of that. Like, we went in there, like I really black, like went in there like I was laughing the whole time.

SPEAKER_10 13:58

Yeah, playing things a game.

SPEAKER_09 14:00

I never thought my man, like I never to this day, I still don't even know where he got a gun from. I never seen my man with a gun before.

SPEAKER_10 14:06

Get into it, please.

SPEAKER_09 14:08

Never seen my man with a gun before. And like when the stuff like transpired, because it was still a few people in the store, whatever the case may be, the store owner actually thought that we was coming in at a robber. I never took a dollar. I have no reason to lie. We never took nothing. But when I peeped the blitz, I turned around. The store owner was like close as me to you with a knife in his hand, like Ray, air my man on. And he put the gun, he gets fidgety. I in that second, I'm like, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 14:44

Split seconds decisions like that.

SPEAKER_09 14:46

Telling you, bro.

SPEAKER_10 14:47

I'm talking about the split second before even going in the store.

SPEAKER_09 14:50

Telling you, man.

SPEAKER_08 14:50

Where did the uh victim where did he get hit at?

SPEAKER_09 14:52

In his head.

SPEAKER_08 14:54

One shot, multiple shots, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 14:56

One shot.

SPEAKER_08 14:57

Dang.

SPEAKER_10 14:58

You'll never forget that day in your life.

SPEAKER_08 15:00

No, what happened? Like, what happened after this gun went after the gun went off? What was the like the what was like your mental like or what's I'll say this? Because sometimes, you know, in those situations, things happen so fast. Right. But you can remember bits and pieces, or or just the moment that it happened. What would what happened that you can remember that you can remember vividly?

SPEAKER_09 15:20

Um, like right after that, right? I remember like, you know, like running a course or whatever. We ran around the corner and it was like some apartment buildings that we like ran and that my man actually lived in at the time. For me, it was like it was it was it was like regular a little bit because I was in I was in the stuff, so it didn't really hit like hold bro, like the the magnitude of what just happened to that extent, especially with my man, because my man he wasn't really moving around like me, like that. So I more so was concerned about him. Like, dang, I know I'm caught up. I already had stuff going on, but like his aunts and them already didn't like me. You know, I mean they always thought I was getting him in trouble, but honestly, we didn't used to get in trouble. We was just to go get girls, yeah. You know what I mean? Just that one situation. Me and my man never done no other crime before. I mean, we sold drugs, yeah, but that situation that was the only situation we ever did together. That was a turning point, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 16:14

So let's go because I'm just trying to paint a picture for you know, just the the people that's that's that's listening and watching. When the gun goes off and the uh and the guy get hits and get hit in the head, well, he what do you he just fell to the ground or or did he say anything? Did he, you know, because I've heard instances where people get hit in the head and they talk a little bit or say something afterwards.

SPEAKER_09 16:34

So no, he made like a loud noise, like a one of them joins you hear like off TV, like yeah, like you know what I mean? And then like you ever hear like a like a like, yeah, wait, that's like pillars of this building just fell down, like wham! Like it's gonna be a sound that you never hear before. Like that's like a sound you never heard before, like or never forget. Yeah, unfortunately, yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_08 16:59

So you heard he made a loud noise, then you heard his body hit the ground. Yeah, and from there, uh that when you when that stuff like that happened, that's like time to boogie up out of here. That that that's like time to run.

SPEAKER_09 17:08

No, no, for sure, for sure. I yeah, I ran before.

SPEAKER_10 17:12

Yeah, like I just I bet you 17 years old, it's like this is for sure. You only hear about stuff like that to actually be living it and be in it yourself, and then me, if I might when I was 17, I was broke. I was out there trying to do everything in the world to get me a hundred dollars. Yeah, so if I could put myself in your shoes at the time, I would have been all over the place.

SPEAKER_09 17:32

Right.

SPEAKER_10 17:33

17 years old, this just happened, it wasn't supposed to happen. Yeah, it ain't like you coming in here for this type of action, but it happened.

SPEAKER_09 17:40

Um yeah, no, like for me, a little bit, like it wasn't like a I I don't know what to do next. I'm scared. No, I kind of was like moving around already a little bit. Yeah, so like I said, I was like more concerned about my man because I know, like, all right, everybody in the neighborhood saying me, everybody, right? But and I know it was people outside when it when it happened, or whatever the case may be. So I know we're gonna get told on. I just at the time I didn't know how my man was gonna care because we'd never been in that situation before.

SPEAKER_08 18:17

Yeah, so y'all come out, y'all come out the store of people outside, like right there. Yeah, y'all ain't have no mask on.

SPEAKER_09 18:23

Yeah, we had mask on, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 18:25

But what made you think that that that that they would have thought it was y'all, y'all had a mask on?

SPEAKER_09 18:29

I mean, that's like you know, y'all brothers, y'all know each other. It's like black putting his t-shirt over his head right now. You know, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_10 18:36

Like we would know that, yeah, people that know us.

SPEAKER_09 18:38

So it's people, it's nobody, everybody that's out there is from my neighborhood. So everybody knows us.

SPEAKER_10 18:43

Wow.

SPEAKER_08 18:46

Now, when did you know what at what point did y'all know I was on a run or or or wanted or wanted for this murder?

SPEAKER_09 18:52

Um, all right, so it happened like this. We were standing, this was like probably three or four days after that happened, and then we were standing on a corner, like up the street from where it actually happened. Me and my rep, it was like getting cold. Remember, it's like November. And um I remember telling him, like, uh, like, bro, look, flow, all this stuff is up in the air that's going on, like, go in the house or whatever, we're gonna go in. He didn't want to go in. He's like, Man, you ain't gonna go in the house, man. Like, no, you ain't going in, I ain't going in. So I'm like, nah, I'm really going in, bro. I'm going to my girl crib or whatever. I'm I'm gonna go chill for the night or whatever, right? I walked into his apartment or whatever, shook his hand, boom, boom. And um, I went to my girl crib. I remember being asleep, and her aunt like waking me up, like frantic. Nephew, nephew, nephew, oh my god, nephew, uh I'm like, what, what, what? I get up or whatever. Like, I'm thinking it's the cops there, right? And um, so she like um my man kept calling, my man kept calling, like he calling, keep calling, keep calling up here. Uh it's an emergency. I think the cop's at your mom's house. So I call my mom. And uh, when I call my mom, I think my little brother that's in the studio too, he answered the phone first. And he said the wildest stuff to me. I'm like, damn, it's um.

SPEAKER_08 20:13

What did he say?

SPEAKER_09 20:13

If you can reveal it, man, he's like, man, bro, he's like, brother, brother, brother. Like, you safe, like it's all these cops, shit. They got all these guns in my face. I'm like, dang. It's um so my mom get the phone. I can't even make out what she was saying. She just hurt. I hang up on my mom. I'm like, damn, it's um. So um, I had wrote my girl, whatever, like this little letter, whatever, because she had kind of like I had like went downstairs, she wasn't like all the way up. And I remember leaving because I'm thinking, like, damn, if they had my mom's house, I know they ready hit here, so exactly I leave, I go down 59th Street, I go down 59th in Manston. Man, when I get out there, man, like all the dudes that like like knew me from down there, a few dudes that was out there and all that, all of them got to get away from me.

SPEAKER_11 20:58

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_09 20:58

Yeah, that's in a hit down 59th already that they own me. I'm like, damn.

SPEAKER_08 21:03

That's crazy. So just to talk about that, people that you cool with that get away from you, they know you want to run. This is this is how sometimes it'd be like the streets don't really show not all the time, they'll really show you. I know when he was gonna run the situation, we was like trying to figure out a way to avoid it and and try to make sure we get lawyers to pay, but not everybody move like that, right? People will get try to get far away from you and then leave you on your own and even even do worse while you inside the prison system. So you uh go down there, people backing off you. What was going through your mind at that time when going through that?

SPEAKER_09 21:38

Um, it didn't really affect me like that with the guys like from like there, because I think they more so just look at that like damn little dime making my neighborhood. Not more so like you know what I mean, like because you know, stuff you're going on. People know people got things going on that they just mind their business about. But you know, when you want to run for a homicide, that's a different level of making neighborhood hot. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Yeah, you know what I mean? So like so I understood, like, all right, I'm gonna make my way or whatever the case may be. But um so unfortunately, my form of support and like people like getting away from me came in the sense of a lot of people like total. That like one of my old ways that raised me from the mud, total.

SPEAKER_08 22:22

Total. I mean, like it's just telling you, like telling you just just in the streets or total on you and got on the stand.

SPEAKER_09 22:28

So so this is how I was like crazy, like everybody in my neighborhood kind of like brushed under the rug, right?

SPEAKER_08 22:33

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_09 22:34

Because he was somebody, and I you know, and I still speak highly of him because I actually still love him. I don't like I don't I don't hate him, yeah. He just did wrong.

SPEAKER_10 22:41

Exactly.

SPEAKER_09 22:42

You know what I mean? But um he didn't sign a statement, so that's what a lot of people from around my way had wet with because they like damn he said he ain't signed a statement or whatever.

SPEAKER_08 22:53

But he still was told what he said in that statement exactly that's telling.

SPEAKER_09 22:57

I told him cops don't know that you know what I mean. So it was like that, and another dude like the main witness on my case, it's another person who seen me grow up. But we had issues prior to me catching my case, so like he was the very first person that told him, I can't make this up.

SPEAKER_08 23:16

Wow, yeah. I know it's no excuse for telling nobody, it's no, it's no excuse, right? From what I believe. Now, I just want to ask this question was they like facing any jail time, or they just went down there and volunteered their service.

SPEAKER_09 23:28

No, so the one dude, right, and it was crazy because like um there was a few things like up in the air with us at that time, or whatever the case would be. And I think like the day after I caught my homicide, he was on a corner, that same exact corner, and got locked up with a gun. And he that's when he gave his statement on me.

SPEAKER_08 23:49

Wow. Uh quick uh intermission real fast. Listen, y'all, that's the tickets is in uh the link is in the bio. Tickets for the live event, live event July 18th. You know, tickets is available now, so y'all can go ahead and order your tickets today, man. Don't don't forget July 18th, we will be uh having our first live event. Tell us from the jail is live. Got some special guests coming through. There's gonna be uh a crazy event. Make sure y'all are there. So let's get to you now. These guys telling, tell on you, and tell on you, these older guys from your hood, told guys that you respect, guys that you don't even expect to expect to go in there and make statements, which is nine times out of ten how it always is. Uh, these guys make statements on you. Um did you know this was they told on you before you got arrested or after you were arrested?

SPEAKER_09 24:35

Um no, I knew the one dude told like as soon as I got locked up, really. Because I actually I remember seeing him.

SPEAKER_08 24:44

And what'd he say?

SPEAKER_09 24:46

He told like I maybe lied though. He lied and said I took my mask off and ran up the street like he really was trying to get me cooked. Right. Yeah, no, I'm just beef or anything from the street. That's what I said. Black, we had something going on prior to this case. Okay.

SPEAKER_10 25:00

When that was his easy ticket to get you out the way.

SPEAKER_09 25:02

I'm trying to tell you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 25:04

Mm-hmm. I'm we'll get him out of here. Damn.

SPEAKER_09 25:06

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 25:07

That's crazy. And then ultimately, he said you took your mask off and ran up the street.

SPEAKER_09 25:13

Yeah. His mom told on me and everything.

SPEAKER_08 25:17

Wow.

SPEAKER_10 25:18

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_09 25:20

That's crazy. I ain't making this up.

SPEAKER_10 25:21

One thing about it, man, we don't promote jail and we don't glorify jail, but we do not stand with no coward ass rat shit, man. If you out there in the streets, man, doing business, man, take accountability for what the fuck you did and stop minding other people's business. That's just it.

SPEAKER_09 25:34

Or go the other route. Just get out the street.

SPEAKER_10 25:37

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 25:38

Like real, like you feel me? Like it's over with.

SPEAKER_10 25:41

Let me go back to the beginning. So they like they locked you up at 17 for this?

SPEAKER_09 25:44

Yep, I was 17.

SPEAKER_10 25:45

So when you got arrested, I'm quite sure you probably got certified then. Yeah. And for the people that don't know what certified means, certified means when you catch an adult case as a juvenile. So now you're a juvenile, right? But they house you with the juveniles, but you have an adult case that can get you life 30, 40 years and stuff like that. But they gotta certify you as a juvenile in order to give you these type of numbers. Am I correct?

SPEAKER_09 26:10

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_10 26:10

Now, with that being done, I'm quite because I got certified back then too. Uh had to go to the youth study center fifth floor. The first youth study center. What was that?

SPEAKER_08 26:18

Um, that's 1801 is court. That's court. That's court. Um who was that at the parkway? Oh, or Dave. Oh, yeah, which we which kind of there. I think we should uh me and hands and all that was in there. We should try to bring it. What's called back in the cook down there? Somebody got court bringing his own.

SPEAKER_10 26:32

Books, books and leak got court down there. But so they so they had you on the certified floor. I was on the fifth floor. Fifth floor, dark side.

SPEAKER_09 26:38

Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_10 26:39

So how much time? Well, how long did you actually spend before you went to trial for?

SPEAKER_09 26:44

Um, they speedy trial me. Yeah, what like maybe like eight, not 11 months?

SPEAKER_10 26:50

11 months? That's fast to go to trial for a homicide.

SPEAKER_09 26:52

Like a year.

SPEAKER_10 26:54

Yeah, you ain't the co-defender.

SPEAKER_09 26:56

And what's crazy is when I got found guilty, they sentenced me right then and then on the spot?

SPEAKER_10 27:00

The same day, man.

SPEAKER_09 27:01

They said because the degree of the crime, but we got to sentence you right here, right now.

SPEAKER_10 27:06

So after your guilty verdict came, so basically you went to trial. You ain't take no deals or none of that.

SPEAKER_09 27:11

No, absolutely.

SPEAKER_10 27:12

How many days you went to trial for?

SPEAKER_09 27:14

Two weeks.

SPEAKER_10 27:14

Jury trial or head up? Jury trial. No, dude.

SPEAKER_09 27:17

Jury trial, damn, and they all came, they came back unanimously guilty or yeah, but what's what's so weird about the case is because um I got found guilty a second degree, and so that automatically made life sentence. Right. Within an act of a felony, they made it within an act of a felony, right? Okay, the felony being a robbery, right? Um, but my Rabbit got found guilty of conspiracy. He only got eight to twenty years. For real? The case was so weird, bro. Let me never had yeah.

SPEAKER_08 27:46

I'm gonna I'm gonna cut you off because I won't get too far. But look, we because we didn't we didn't touch touch about uh you getting captured or or turning yourself in. What happened? Um, how'd you how did you catch how did you get how did you get caught? Or um, you know, did you turn yourself in?

SPEAKER_09 28:00

Yeah, I turned myself in, man. That was the worst decision I ever made.

SPEAKER_08 28:04

But you got it over with. But just describe that day if you could. Describe that day. What happened? What made you turn yourself in?

SPEAKER_09 28:08

I think, damn, God rest his soul too. One of my homies, his name was Sweets from 59th in Madison. He actually drove me home. Like his family was from around my neighborhood, and he drove me home. And when I got to the house, like I remember my mom like coming outside. I've never seen my mom like this. So of course I'm telling my mom, like, mom, I ain't doing it, I ain't do it. But if you ain't do it, we going down there and all that's I'm like, all right, we going down there, right? And um, when I get down there, like you know, of course they flip the script on me, they ain't trying to hear that. This is some grown man stuff, right? So they ain't trying to hear that mommy dad stuff. They ain't, you know, they blitzing me with all the questions and stuff like that, or whatever. So my mom and I'm I'm like, you know, like yo, send my mom and I'm home. Like, ain't nothing to talk about. I'll call a lawyer.

SPEAKER_10 28:52

And this and this just goes to show they don't care what age you is. If you charge with one of these type of crimes, they're gonna get your ass in there and interrogate you. It was a child then. So let me tell you this, Black.

SPEAKER_09 29:02

This is what they did to me for two days straight. I was locked to that metal chair, right? Handcuffed to the metal chair.

SPEAKER_10 29:08

Did you charged at the time?

SPEAKER_09 29:09

Or still now I'm still charged.

SPEAKER_10 29:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 29:11

I'm charged, but this is the little mind games they playing. They try and break me in my ratty.

SPEAKER_10 29:15

Right.

SPEAKER_09 29:15

They had me on for two days straight. They ain't feed me. Give me, like, give me little cups of water, but they didn't feed me.

SPEAKER_11 29:21

Right.

SPEAKER_09 29:21

I remember the bull, man, one of the detectives he had came in there with like some coffee and like some peanut butter crackers, right? And man, I did the whole kick thing, kick my leg over there to get the crackers, man. Like I was hungry as shit. Like, I just wanted to just go to the cell at that point. Like, I mean, but yeah, that's how they was treating me, though. Like they was trying to break me.

SPEAKER_10 29:38

Two days in a row, shackled to a chair. Yeah. So you know the comfortability is on zero.

SPEAKER_09 29:43

Like, literally, I'm not gonna have to go.

SPEAKER_08 29:44

You don't know what time it is, you don't know nothing. Nothing.

SPEAKER_09 29:46

Nothing. Because it was like once once they said, like, once I had told them, like, you know, let my mom, my dad go, and he started blitzing me, roughing me up, and all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_08 29:59

So now you go through all that, and from there, at what point do they decide to send you to the juvenile 18? Was it uh you study center?

SPEAKER_09 30:08

Um, yeah, yeah, yeah. I went to the study center like probably like right after that, right? Right, yeah, right. As soon as you get charged, you go straight there. As soon as you get charged, you go right there. They don't take no time. You be in that holding tank for a couple hours. You waiting on the bustle.

SPEAKER_10 30:20

Let me ask you this. You was still 17 at the time.

SPEAKER_09 30:22

Yeah, I was 17.

SPEAKER_10 30:23

So when you turned 18, I'm quite sure you was you was already did you turn 18 before you went to trial for it?

SPEAKER_09 30:29

Yeah, I turned 18 that August, and I went over pick. I was over pick.

SPEAKER_10 30:33

They sent you right over pick, man. Now you're a grown boy. Let's go.

SPEAKER_09 30:35

G1.

SPEAKER_10 30:36

G1 over pick.

SPEAKER_09 30:37

Yeah, I think if I'm not mistaken, because it was like I'm this long time ago, but then my first three days, like I think I seen somebody get stabbed like from the rip. I'm like, damn, this is different than the juvenile block.

SPEAKER_10 30:48

That's why I was just ready to ask you.

SPEAKER_09 30:49

Even though all that stuff was going on over there, too. But like it was like men, though.

SPEAKER_10 30:53

Yeah, it ain't no kids, it's grown men doing this. So, what was that 11 months like over there in the youth study center?

SPEAKER_09 31:00

No, I got kicked right out of the youth study center. I got into a fight with one of the block workers.

SPEAKER_10 31:04

Well, would they send you to?

SPEAKER_09 31:06

Um, and they sent me to the creek.

SPEAKER_10 31:07

I was about to say, House of Correction, he had a juvenile block over there. Yep. That's when they had the creek over and he had a juvenile block over there for the uh everybody that was certified.

SPEAKER_09 31:14

Oh, but so that's when it really, really like was real for me. Like, far as like on the like, damn, you around some some some dudes, that's your age that's on the same type time as you, or if not, you know what I mean? Like a little bit more. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, like you meet some guys, like niggas was hard ass, and they own right in their neighborhoods, that's the same age as you. So it's like, damn.

SPEAKER_10 31:35

Let me ask you this. Yeah, at what point of prison, right? That you was doing this time, probably at it, probably at when you went upstate or before, did you know, damn, I'm really in prison now? Was it after your sentence when they gave you the time, or when did you wake up and be like, shit, I'm in here and I'm gonna be in here for a while?

SPEAKER_09 31:53

Camp Hill. Did anybody tell you anything different? They lying.

SPEAKER_10 31:57

What about that camp hill? Talk to me, T.

SPEAKER_09 31:59

Camp Hill.

SPEAKER_10 32:00

Did you go to the fort first? No, Camp Hill, intake.

SPEAKER_09 32:02

Straight straight to uh Camp Hill that time. Camp Hill, bro. I know so I I want the like you said, or like the shower and that little dumbass stuff they put on you at uh greatest route.

SPEAKER_08 32:12

I don't know, I don't know, I don't know about it. Tell it about tell us about it. Let's talk about let's talk about you when you when you got to the four and when they went through that.

SPEAKER_09 32:17

Oh, yeah. So the four they only only were like intake.

SPEAKER_08 32:20

Oh, what old was you at that time?

SPEAKER_09 32:21

I still was 18. I just turned 18.

SPEAKER_08 32:23

So let's get to that. I'm just gonna ask a question about it because people don't really understand the Ford and how intimidated intimidated it is getting to the Ford. Yeah, how was it for you pulling up to the four to 18? Never really doing any any jail time.

SPEAKER_09 32:34

That was the longest wall I ever seen in my life. I'm like, what is up with this wall this big and that long? Like, what the fuck is this? You know what I mean? Yeah, so but like I always kind of been ahead of the curve a little bit with how I think, right? So automatically I'm thinking like, all right, this all come with how you was moving around. This this stuff you heard before from some of the older guys that went around your way and all that, like, yo, this it's the fault, or whatever the case may be. You know what I mean? But nothing, nothing, nothing gonna prepare you for when you actually get in there and they tell you to shrimp in front of men.

SPEAKER_10 33:10

Everybody, dicks everywhere, not on duty. Yeah, you talk about not on duty. This is some real live talk. If y'all don't want to be exposed to this motherfucking type of atmosphere, you stay your ass and get you a job because when they bought you in there, what they tell you, dah, they ain't tripping about no shield, no cover, none of that. Get naked. Let me see that ass. That's what I want to say. So you sit not on duty, we're not up here talking about no thing, but let me tell you, it's real like that, though.

SPEAKER_09 33:37

They definitely get like that. And I've been to the hole a million times throughout my whole jail, but so can you imagine how many times I had to stand in front of men like naked? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_10 33:47

I told I was telling him one day, Down. Yeah, the police raided this joint. I'm so numb to it, right? And they'd be up here and be like, Yeah, we got reason to believe y'all in the studio selling drugs right now. And the police would be like, strip, and I'll be looking at him, and he'd be like, What you mean, strip by the time he turned around and look at me to see if I heard I'm naked. Oh black. Yeah, I mean the police what the police know that you must have got shit. I'm so numb to the shit that I mean for real. I'm when authority there, I mean, we've been in there long time, bro.

SPEAKER_09 34:17

I'm with you.

SPEAKER_10 34:19

When they come in your cell to stick there, and they say strip, it don't be. Man, why about a strip? You be right there, like what fast? Be like that. Yeah, ass and dick out. No, let me see. You always want you not on duty, Jones. Yeah. Stay out of jail, y'all. If y'all don't want to go through that you humiliation, demoralizing fact.

SPEAKER_08 34:37

Hold on, so they gave you a life sentence, right? So that's what because I don't think we got this part, because I'm sorry, we all over the place, but you said that you got found guilty right there, and they and they gave you a life sentence right there. So, what was going through your mom when they gave you a life sentence, though?

SPEAKER_09 34:50

Um grandma, the first thing, like me saying that, my grandma, and the reason I say that is because like my whole neighborhood was in there, everybody was at trial. You know, I'm standing up and they, you know, reading a verdict, and she said the judge saying all this stuff for the reason why she raised sentenced me to this. She said, Hey, like, you know, I sentenced you to a life sentence. Everybody just kind of like broke out. Remember that that roar. Everybody crying. I mean, when I turned around, man, I swear to God, man, man, my grandma rest her soul. She was standing there just like stern. She was hard, bro. She gave me the shrimp to not cry. I'm dead serious. When I turned around, I seen my grandma, and she's like, You okay? I'm like, Yeah, grandma, I'm cool. Yeah, like, yeah. She like, all right, maybe call me when you can. And I'm like, Oh, all right, say no more. Dead serious. That's literally like, you know what I mean? Like, I didn't have that moment. Like, I never really had those moments all like that, bro. Don't get me wrong, man. I had my moments when I cried and I wanted to go home and stuff like that. Don't get me wrong. I had years and a whole lot of times like that. But for me, bro, I kind of didn't like, I didn't, I didn't stress. I didn't, you know what I mean? Like I wanted to go home. I turned to my Lord, bro.

SPEAKER_10 36:03

Let me let me ask you this real fast, Dom. Because a lot of, we got a lot of people that get on here and they talk, and a lot of lot of youth that's still in jail.

SPEAKER_12 36:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 36:11

At what point or did you ever place blame on anybody else during the time you went to jail? Was it anybody, was it the government fault, the white man?

SPEAKER_09 36:19

Oh no, bro. That's a lot of people see, like when people do that, bro, this how they be stressed out and they be raped killing self and all that. Or somebody else. But all right, this is what it is. So the options for me is like, all right, I'm I'm moving forward. I don't know no other way.

SPEAKER_10 36:43

Because you know, nine out of ten people was in that joint, like, man, I got real rule, but you knew the crime you did. Yeah, that's that's you actually did this, regardless if you could have beat it or not, you know you ain't an innocent man, right?

SPEAKER_09 36:56

Yeah, that be the dudes that really don't be like they like they not like face rally, yeah. Rally is like if you do something with consequence for every reaction, right? Whatever, you actually got consequences. But these people, how they got the land built as jail, yeah. Like if you don't know that, like you triple.

SPEAKER_08 37:14

Yeah, yeah. Modern day slavery.

SPEAKER_09 37:17

Exactly.

SPEAKER_08 37:18

So you you go through graded for you see that, you know, the graded for wall, everybody talk about that. You go through strips, the strip search, and they throw the powder or whatever. You say they throw what what is yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_09 37:28

It was like I guess it's like pottery, like soap. Like they they don't throw actually throw it on you, but like you you can't like get it, like you can't you don't have a rag or none of those. Oh, so it's just powder soap. Yeah, it's like they trying to and they tell you something like for like if you had any kind of lice or bugs, they put that shit all in your head and they make you get in a shower, man. They like look, oh you're dressing whatever you got, you know. They even give you draws. They should just give you a jumpsuit, jumpsuit butt naked in the jumpsuit, three balls. They get like that, yeah. Yeah, wow.

SPEAKER_08 38:01

And you go through all that, and then they ship me right out, went half how fast to uh Camp Hill.

SPEAKER_09 38:07

Um immediately. I was on that same that same day. I was the camp, and that's when it got real though. Once you get to Camp Hill, you know you're in the state penitentiary.

SPEAKER_08 38:16

Wow, wow, who happened, man?

SPEAKER_09 38:18

These are the most racist people you ever gonna meet in your life. Like, bro, like I seen the guards, like the sergeant boy, he was sliding around slapping people.

SPEAKER_10 38:27

They ain't up there. So you saying a nigga ain't going up there with that tough shit.

SPEAKER_09 38:30

No, and don't be all that big boy shit like nah, don't get me wrong, man. You got your elite, you got your elite niggas, bro. Like, you got some dudes that like us carrying it different. Yeah, and you just gonna have them guards gonna just have to kill them. Fuck I'm saying, right? Then those, but then it's like I'm not gonna sit here and act like they had picks because they're gonna test you. And then they if you wanted them that buck like that, okay. Once they get the cuffs on you, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 38:54

You handicapped.

SPEAKER_09 38:55

Man, they speedballed me to the hole, bro. As soon as I got up there, I did 92 days in that hole, bro.

SPEAKER_10 39:00

Oh, so would you go to the hole? Oh, your first arrival to came up.

SPEAKER_09 39:05

So I never forget, man. They was on the gate because this sergeant bull like used to be talking on them on the on the thing, like, listen, I catch you when you assholes yelling out that gate, and you'll never go to the fucking yard again and all that kind of shit. Like, they're talking crazy on the drone. You know, the people who don't care, they saying shit and all that. They uh they singing, who let the dogs out, bro? Who let the dogs out? I'm up there on the top bump, cracking up, like yo, they mess with this white boy, man. This boy's serious. Sally having a tap on the bump. He like Sally, I'm like, what? He like yo, the Sarge down there looking at the cell. I turn around, I look down, bro. He looking right at the cell, bro. I swear to God, black. He looking at myself. He's standing on the on the like the picnic table. I'm gonna make an example of one of you assholes right now. Man, five minutes later, bro. It's fucking 50 guards, bro. 25 on each side of that gate. Bro, put your hands out the wick. I'm like, yo, I ain't do nothing. I was just up here laughing. Yeah, swear to god, bro. Swear to god, bro, I'm gonna give you a direct order. Put your hands out the wick. I'm like, Damn, I'll put my hands out the wick, man. They speedball me, you know how you they lift your your hands up with them cuffs, and you literally on your your tippy toes, yeah, all the way to the damn hole, man. I'm like, yo, this shit, real yeah, yeah, and uh that was your first time band in the hole.

SPEAKER_08 40:28

Yeah, yeah. How was that?

SPEAKER_10 40:33

What was so bad about it? Yeah, get into it for the people to know. The people that's out there breaking law and is what it goes.

SPEAKER_08 40:38

I never showered and I never went to the yard for 90 for three months straight.

SPEAKER_09 40:44

And this, I'm telling you, bro, I've just got to the jail. Like I'm I've I've only been in Camp Hill for maybe two weeks. But because I hear what everybody else is saying on the gates, yo, when you go to the gym, when you go to the um shower, they pay on your bid, they fuck you, they fuck your seller, they take all your mail, they take your pictures. Yeah, so I'm like, all right, it's done. I ain't going in. And then when you go outside, they don't give you no jackets in the middle of the winter. They got the windows open. They don't give you no jacket. You just going out there with like a jumpsuit on, and I ain't going to the yard either.

SPEAKER_08 41:17

No yard, no shower.

SPEAKER_09 41:19

And they didn't feed me for like my first six, seven days there, because I you know just rounding me up.

SPEAKER_08 41:25

Use in a hole for six days. No food, no water, no nothing.

SPEAKER_09 41:29

How many you had water in the sink on the but I just literally just like kind of trying to go to sleep?

SPEAKER_08 41:35

How much weight did you lose in there?

SPEAKER_09 41:37

I was bony. I was already skinny, like when I went to jail, I was 5'11, 140 something pounds. So I'm already was skinny, I was skinny as hell. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 41:47

Man, so damn six or seven days I eat, he damn near as ready to die.

SPEAKER_09 41:50

No, I'm dead serious, bro. So, like the dudes that was like, you know, because people like that already like was a little bit hip. The guys that was like next door to me and all that was sending me bread, so I was eating. Yeah, but I ain't have like a salad meal, nah, bro. Man, my man that was next door to me, man, used to send me like a slice of bread and like the little foil thing, and would send me salt and pepper packs on. I would put the salt and pepper on the bread and smash it just to eat to have some salt or something. Tastes like a pretzel. I'm telling you, bro.

SPEAKER_10 42:20

Tastes just like a pretzel. You bash that bread down real hard, it'll get the salt, it'll taste just like a pretzel.

SPEAKER_09 42:26

Well, the hot dog rolls more taste like a pretzel. Exactly. Smash the hot dog rolls. You gotta smash it though. You can't leave it record, you gotta make it.

SPEAKER_10 42:34

And it tastes just like a pretzel.

SPEAKER_09 42:35

Put it under the bed, we pull it out, put the bust on it first, and then the jailhouse pretzel.

SPEAKER_10 42:40

We in here laughing, but this is a reality for those people that go to the penitentiary, man. Yeah, we're trying to give you this word. So if you're thinking about doing something crazy, uh please think about something else, man. Please, because you ain't seen crazy until you get caught for that crime that you want to do.

SPEAKER_04 42:55

Right.

SPEAKER_10 42:56

But yeah, dime, man. Like, so uh, how much time you spent at Camp Hill all together?

SPEAKER_09 43:02

Um, so what's crazy is after I got out the whole 92 days uh Lieutenant Boy had seen me. I guess I was damn near ready to die. Because when he all I was coming down the tear, he's like, where is he gone? He was like, We sending him back to A-Block. He was like, Man, he's a fucking kid. Don't sit, he can't be in this jail. So I'm like, I'm already I already was there. I didn't want to go back to the hole. Like I already was in population. They like, nah. They sent me back to my cell, they gave me blue.

SPEAKER_11 43:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 43:30

So when they gave me blues, I'm automatically thinking, like, damn, like this already be my jail. I mean, no, no, my fault, not blues, not not blues, browns. They gave me browns. My fault, they always you was already in blues. So they gave me browns, and I'm like, sent me to a block, and then probably like two days later, they sent me to Pine Groove.

SPEAKER_10 43:49

Pine Groove, all the juveniles at.

SPEAKER_08 43:54

So if it wasn't for that guard seeing you, you might have done more things.

SPEAKER_09 43:58

I ain't know what that was about. But I was there for like maybe like four or five months or something like that. But yeah, yeah. Then I went to Pine Grove. I was up Pine Grove for like a year. I wound up getting kicked out of there. I went to hunting them.

SPEAKER_08 44:11

Huntington went in them yards to walk too. Yeah. It's crazy too that you said it because there's a lot of juveniles, young guys now who are going through that system, going through the system of you know, committing crimes as juveniles. And there's also even young guys in the early 20s. We spoke to a lot of them and they don't really realize uh the uh the seriousness of prison until they actually get there. Right. All the things you're saying, the racism. He one of them said he realized he was in jail when a grown man was telling him what to do. Like somebody telling you when to go to bed, telling you when it's time to do it. 24-7, telling you when you can use the phone. Yeah. All this stuff in there. And it's like, you know, you're there, and then sometimes you people just stuck there forever. Some of them never come home.

SPEAKER_02 44:56

Right.

SPEAKER_08 44:57

It's crazy. So you you get transferred out, go to uh Pond Grove, you said, and then from there you went where?

SPEAKER_09 45:03

Um I stayed at Pine Grove for like I think like a year. Then um I went to hunting, and that's where I spent like the most of my time, I took the remainder of my time, so I came home.

SPEAKER_08 45:12

And you was kind of dug in understood the ropes of of prison then. Um the question I we always ask is um how many people like left you, like, or just you know, that left that was there with you when you before you went in and actually did that at the time with you while you was in there.

SPEAKER_09 45:31

You know what, man? I was actually very, very fortunate my whole 20 years. I had a lot of solid people in my life doing my whole day. Like my family, but I was fortunate enough, like my grandma before she died, my grandpa, you know, my grandpa's still alive, but like my mom and my dad. You know, once my brothers got older, my brothers, or like older people from like my neighborhood, like my friends. Like I got a uh like a friend that uh she like raised me and um is actually my cousin baby mom. It's like my sister a whole bit. From the day I went to jail, she was there for my cousin, my cousin Fifi from the day. Shout out Pifi. So uh we shoot people like Teresa's and then. Oh Teresa, shout out Teresa, gotta respect it. Yeah, for sure, for sure. They was there a thousand percent. Um but and I had friends too, though. Like I had my homies though, like you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_10 46:24

Like it's a lot of people that don't have that, man.

SPEAKER_09 46:27

I had my homie, man. I ain't gonna lie, man. Like um one of my homies, man, Puta used to like he was there from the rip. Like, and uh I had friends, man. And what's crazy is I always kept myself alive though, man. I don't care if you knew we'd say second grade. I'm getting with you if I can get in contact with you.

SPEAKER_08 46:47

Exactly.

SPEAKER_09 46:47

I stayed alive.

SPEAKER_08 46:49

Let me ask you this. Now you said you went in 17, you had a girlfriend, right?

SPEAKER_09 46:53

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 46:53

You had a girlfriend, and um, you know, you young, you you a kid, 17. You you y'all just kind of trying to figure things out. Right. How long was it before she stopped calling you, or did she rock with you?

SPEAKER_09 47:03

She was acting crazy hanging that phone up and all that kind of I ain't understand that. So I'm I'm on the other side of the phone going berserk. You know how many times I done hung that phone up like Scarface?

SPEAKER_10 47:15

What I keep trying to tell them, boy, they don't want to listen to me. They want to listen to me.

SPEAKER_09 47:19

Yeah, like it get real, but um, so that went left like fast, but did that hurt more than uh more than you get your time?

SPEAKER_08 47:27

He always talks about something like a girl leaving you hurts more than you actually getting that actual uh initial sentence. Man, listen, bro.

SPEAKER_09 47:34

He ain't too far off. Listen, bro, I'm thinking about songs in my head right now, and I still hate to this day from 20 years ago, so that make you uh uh reminisce about her.

SPEAKER_08 47:45

Certain songs you heard during that time brings back the memory of that those time and those dates.

SPEAKER_09 47:50

Because I'm telling you, bro, I'm all you got is that little that little walkman or whatever they give us in that joint, and you depending on Cosmic Kev or whoever giving a little shout outs that night and all that kind of stuff, like the golden girl. Yeah, they get real, bro. They get real in themselves. Like I'm young, so you like damn. Like I just was out there having fun. I was actually fortunate to be you know one of the guys that was, you know, having sex. Like, you know, at 17, you run around. I had a car and all that kind of stuff. So yeah.

SPEAKER_10 48:22

I got I got I got I got two questions for you real fast before I get the floor back to 12 feet. Yeah, right? When you came in, did you have like the GED or anything?

SPEAKER_09 48:31

Nope, I got my GD when I was there.

SPEAKER_10 48:32

So so you you you apply, how how long did it did you did you because I know in the feds, if you ain't got no GD and you come and use the sentence with federal time, they make you go to school.

SPEAKER_09 48:40

Oh yeah, the state don't care.

SPEAKER_10 48:41

Oh, they don't care, they all right.

SPEAKER_09 48:43

So it went through like a transition. I remember when I first first got upstate, like it was like a thing where like they make you like go work. Yeah, and like the the beneath the jobs like um like the the kitchen jobs is like beneath everybody. Nobody really wanted to work in the kitchen. They used to make you work in the kitchen, then it like kind of like transition, like um like if you sign up for something, I remember that kind of keeping the cheat off. As long as you signed up for something you was on file, like the the go in there, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 49:08

Yeah, like you made the effort, right?

SPEAKER_09 49:11

But um I don't know, bro. Uh I ain't had like no kitchen jobs and all that. Like honey, then kind of was like, they didn't care about you for real forever. Like, if you just want to die in the cell, you can just die in the cell. You don't never had to come out.

SPEAKER_08 49:28

Wow.

SPEAKER_09 49:28

Wow, that's that's never had to come out. Stand up account, or some people didn't do that, but like you don't never had to come out.

SPEAKER_10 49:36

Yeah, wow boy. So it so whether you wanted to learn it, it was totally up to you.

SPEAKER_09 49:40

That's why, oh yeah, G, you said about the GED. So yeah, that was like an on me. Like, hold on, bro. Like, nah, I'm just gonna go.

SPEAKER_10 49:45

So what year was it? Did you did you say, you know what, I'm gonna go get my GED? How old was you then?

SPEAKER_09 49:50

So, all right, then it's different than the county, but when you're down the county on the juvenile block, they make you go to school. Yeah, they make you try to get your GED. Unfortunately, I turned 18 and but I took I took my GED test down the county like once I felt it. How about this though? The only subject I ever felt I took the GED test like probably like I don't know, eight times. I've never felt any subjects but man. Never. I'm telling me I'm talking about this.

SPEAKER_10 50:20

That was me too. I've never so man just and it was because of Mel.

SPEAKER_09 50:25

So maybe like 2011, I had met this teacher up Hunted and he was like this white hippie bull, but he was thorough though, black. He was thorough, like, and he really like the help of the biggest. He kid, he cared. Yo, like listen, bro, to this day, man, he's like one of the best teachers I ever had in my life. He taught me math, bro. Like, and he used to teach it in five or six different ways for you to get it.

SPEAKER_10 50:45

Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_09 50:47

Um, so that was like 2011. So by time Sofi got went to go take my actual G D test, I had the highest score on math, on math out of all my other subjects. I blew math out the world. It was time, you was right. Yeah, exactly. Yep.

SPEAKER_10 51:04

Now I want to ask you this. I'm a I'm a fast forward, but we're gonna have to come back some.

SPEAKER_09 51:08

All right, come on.

SPEAKER_10 51:09

Do you think that jail reformed you? Do you think it was solely because of jail from your punishment that jail made you the man you are today?

SPEAKER_09 51:19

Oh, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_10 51:20

Absolutely not? Nah. Okay. What made you the man you were today? Right.

SPEAKER_09 51:25

Yeah. So no. Like, I don't, you know, I don't say this like, you know, I'm not saying this for the camera, but this is one of the things that I actually do, and the people that know me know this.

SPEAKER_10 51:33

Right.

SPEAKER_09 51:34

From the time I got found guilty and I went up camp here. You listening, Black?

SPEAKER_10 51:39

Yeah, I'm listening.

SPEAKER_09 51:40

From the time I got found guilty and I went up camp here. I came home and I was on quarantine I was on quarantine, I was ready to leave out the building. I never listened a lot in between. So the hell ain't do nothing.

SPEAKER_10 52:03

See, when when when when I asked, right, I want to ask, I asked like on a more intricate level, like it's for because like when I came to jail, I was dirty. Yeah, I ain't know how to, I was young. I ain't know how to wash up correctly and all that. I think jail taught me to respect a man to the utmost. I think it taught me how to clean my ass. Like meaning I had more time to worry about. Because I was already a grown man. Okay, but jail, juvenile is jail. All that is jail. Okay. Talking about jail. Okay. Jail gave me a lot of qualities about me today that I wouldn't have had if I think I stayed in the set the world, the real world. My respect wouldn't have been on the beam. Like, because I respect me, I carried the same way as you do in the penitentiary. You got two niggas right here walking, talking. I will be walking all the way around, like, excuse me, man. Yeah. And I'm not even nowhere near in their conversation. But this is what jail breeds. The respect in jail is on the bean. Ain't nobody in there talking about something. You a dick either. You playing them games like you're not using them words in there. Am I lying? I mean, you got your people though, black.

SPEAKER_09 53:04

Like, you got your people. Because it's it's a lane for everybody. Yeah, it is. So, like, I know a lot of dudes that like bit like that and call each other. I've never done that.

SPEAKER_10 53:12

Right.

SPEAKER_09 53:12

Ever in my life.

SPEAKER_10 53:13

You know, that's a crazy game to be playing.

SPEAKER_09 53:15

Yeah, I never done it. And it ain't got nothing to do with me being tough. But like you said, like how you carry yourself. I always carry myself a certain way.

SPEAKER_10 53:21

Right.

SPEAKER_09 53:21

You know what I mean? Like, like you say, I always extend the respect first. You know what I'm saying? Like, so I always kind of navigated myself around those people that was in there. Like the whole time I was up there, like, um, and this, and this is something that I noticed from like the juvenile blocks. Ball was like one of the main things niggas got into rumbles over. If I never played ball, I stayed away from it. Like, ah, you know what? You know what I mean? Like other things I'm gonna get into in this drone, but it ain't gonna be because of that. I'm gonna stay away from ball.

SPEAKER_10 53:49

That's where the disrespect comes at a lot of times. That basketball court is the what's number one for everything, man. Everything, yeah, it's going down. You if you want to see a rumble, take your ass in the yeah. What's that joint? Hit the uh the the little the the handball. Yeah, you can get too many rumbles on the handball. Yeah, you was uh I'm handball bull. No, dude. I'm vicious handball. Oh no, black man. I got backhand, front hand, I'm getting it up off the grass. I'm telling you, I'm I'm super nice in this right, this right is in and I'm tricky. Like I'm you think I'm ready and I'm tapping it, but I'm really nice. I'm really nice. Let me ask you this though, Don. Yeah, I'm quite sure you've seen your fair share of violence, right? In there all that time. I'm quite sure. Probably been in some violence yourself in there. Yeah, it's a question that we like to ask on this show all the time, man, because I like to give the audience that that never been to jail a uh a picture in their mind that they can see. And this goes on in jail at a law and rate. I'm quite sure you've seen stabbins. Absolutely. I'm quite sure you seen locking socks. Absolutely. Now, I'm asking you, putting yourself in a predicament, you've been in there and you've seen it. You and another convict getting to argue. Y'all squash it. This is a hypothetical question.

SPEAKER_04 55:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 55:02

Okay, he goes his way, you go your way. And you like, all right, that's shit over. You watching TV. Unbeknown to you, he's still mad though. He's creeping up from you behind. If it was nothing you can do about it, you had to take whatever he was ready to give you. But you get to choose whatever he gets to attack you with. And he attacked you, he either attacked you with a knife or they lock and sock. Which one you taking?

SPEAKER_09 55:24

All right, so I'm gonna I'm gonna explain it just a little bit, right? Because I'm looking at it like this, right? The average person is not going in trying to kill you. Exactly. Right? So I'm looking at it like, damn, if he's if he got a knife and he actually stab me on the top of my head, he probably can kill me.

SPEAKER_11 55:42

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_09 55:43

So I'm thinking, like, damn, if a person stab me, he's just looking to bang me out, trying to hurt me. He ain't really he's trying to hurt me, not trying to kill me. If you crack somebody in their head with that lock in the side, homes, you crack it and head with that lock in the side, bro. That joint is gonna split you.

SPEAKER_10 56:02

Bro, yeah, bro. That lock inside the big.

SPEAKER_09 56:04

If somebody gets you from the back, bro, you don't know they come with a lock in the side, and they get three good, clean one, you're gonna die.

SPEAKER_10 56:11

Yeah, you're gonna die, bro.

SPEAKER_09 56:12

You're gonna die.

SPEAKER_10 56:12

That joint will rearrange your whole back of the head, like it'll never be the same.

SPEAKER_09 56:16

I've seen it done before multiple times.

SPEAKER_10 56:17

I've seen it's like it's shot. It's probably worse than getting shot, bro.

SPEAKER_09 56:21

Man, right, and he was like off beat. He was up Pine Grove with me, and he wound up coming down uh hunting and two, right from Pittsburgh. I forget his name, tall, light-skinned bull, hair all scattered, right? And people used to think he was a nut, tall feet. Hey, listen, man, this bull was nasty with that lock in the side. I'm dead serious, bro. He was catching niggas at part.

SPEAKER_10 56:44

He probably knew how to keep it short and everything.

SPEAKER_09 56:47

He walked all weird, like some tall, like goofy shit. No, but he was with it, though. He was with it. I seen man, he was up on cruel ice and shit.

SPEAKER_10 56:56

Yeah, that lock and sock, bro. Dudes don't even be the same after them joints, man. Niggas forget they name and anything.

SPEAKER_09 57:02

Yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_10 57:03

If you make it back all right, you're not gonna be all the way regular like you was before that lock and sock in your head.

SPEAKER_09 57:09

Oh, yeah, because I'm saying the stab wounds, you know, they hell up, whatever it gets stitched up. Them joints, there they leave knots and stuff on this for everyone. These joins don't go down, telling you, bro.

SPEAKER_10 57:19

Bro, them joints disfigure you, bro. For sure, they disfigure you, and I just had to get you to answer that because you've been in there and we we always bring that up the lock and sock or the knife. Yeah, don't get me wrong. Like you you brought up a great point. But let me you brought up a great point. Ain't nobody every person I stabbed in jail. I wasn't looking to kill them, right? It was just to set a tone, a statement. Yeah, not to say that I'm a doctor.

SPEAKER_09 57:42

I know some dudes that I don't know their intentions.

SPEAKER_10 57:44

Some niggas they used to be knife, people yeah, yeah, and it looked crazy. Like, oh, he looked like you were trying to kill someone, yeah. Like, god damn, boy, that don't look like no little pop, pop, pop. Me, I was me, I was, you know, I I was I'm stabbing ass cheeks, leg. If you died from that, you was a wee. You know what I mean? I'm coming in, turn around, pop in. Yeah, no, I'm telling you. I didn't watch this episode. I don't know if Mr. Donald dude. Yo, but for real, man, it is real life stuff like that. So uh so when you got about because you said you had life, yeah, but but you did 20 years out of it. So what did they was it is it life like with numbers or they just had to come back and they sentenced me, they sent.

SPEAKER_09 58:34

I mean, you know, you get charged for the gun and the robbery or whatever case me, but it's all yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 58:41

Um yeah, so my fault.

SPEAKER_09 58:50

What you take black?

SPEAKER_10 58:51

No, I'm saying like because I'm looking at life as life, you home there. So would they overturn it and just get it?

SPEAKER_09 58:56

No, no, I was juvenile lifers. So you know in 2014 or 16, they came down there with that law. Well, 2014 they came with the law said that no juvenile can get life for outside of murder. I think the guy had a uh rape case at the time. And so somebody had filed a case, and I think it was in Alabama, Miller versus Alabama to say that well, are you if they can't get this unconstitutional to get life sentences for rape, then what about murder? We had the same mental capacity or whatever the case would be. They wound up passing that law.

SPEAKER_10 59:28

That's what hands came home with.

SPEAKER_09 59:30

Exactly. I'm familiar with his name. I don't know.

SPEAKER_10 59:32

Big Hans and Maurice Williams. Big hands. That's my homie from Ramon Way, but he's like, But he's still dead 20 plus years. Exactly. Yeah, but he had life.

SPEAKER_09 59:40

So when they came down with that decision in 2016, they said that it was unconstitutional for um any juveniles to be sentenced to a life sentence without the possibility of a right. Right.

SPEAKER_10 59:53

So when that joint passed and they made it retroactive for everybody to been sentenced to it, they let you right go.

SPEAKER_09 59:58

No, no. So they sent me my deal first. They like the like the DAA constructed the deal to whatever. They were sending people different deals.

SPEAKER_10 1:00:05

Was you happy though? Like, damn, I might get some rip.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:08

Damn, bro. What? And so I knew it was gonna be a trickle-down effect.

SPEAKER_10 1:00:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:11

When the when the law first hit in 2014, I just didn't know how fast and how progressive like they was gonna move on the law.

SPEAKER_13 1:00:18

Exactly.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:19

So when it came straight down 2016, I'm like, oh, but now how is Pennsylvania? How Philadelphia gonna move on far as resentences, exactly. So DA Krasner, man, like you know, he was like on the like, you know, not trying to sentence people to like 30 and 60 years. Like he was like, yo, give them a fair shot. And um, I I got a uh I got a letter, and my deal was for um 20 to life. Yeah, yeah, bro. So you signed that journal fast? Man, black, I couldn't believe I had 18 years in there at that time.

SPEAKER_10 1:00:48

Oh my eyes, bro. You give me chill. I got goosebumps listening to you talk, bro. Like literally, this letter is like life to you, yeah, bro. Getting that mail, like you, I would have been trimbling like this, reading that journal, man. I'm telling you, black.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:00

I remember the day right now as we sit here and talk.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:03

Was you only one in the jail that got the letter at the time while you was there? Oh no?

SPEAKER_09 1:01:05

No, because it was other juvenile lifers. At that time, I think Huntington had the most.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:09

It was a combo like for everybody amongst everybody when they was getting them letters. What would they say?

SPEAKER_09 1:01:13

The jail was lit up, bro. Oh but it was a gift and a curse, though, because it was a lot of I heard a lot of this rhetoric from like a lot of the older dudes that had life sentences, been down since the 70s and the 80s and all that kind of stuff. They was feeling it, but they wasn't. They was bitter. Yeah, they was bitter.

SPEAKER_10 1:01:28

How would you feel? If you was an older nigga, I ain't gonna lie. I'd be I wouldn't be I'm not a bitter nigga, I'd be mad.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:34

What about me? Was they juveniles when they went in though at the cell? Yeah, no, no, they just come up with it. They just had life sentences, I mean they was never coming home, right?

SPEAKER_09 1:01:43

So think about that. Like there, y'all just saying, Here go 40, 50 people in here that I've been in life sentence with all this time, whatever the case may be. Y'all just saying this only apply to all the juvenile. That's what they was kind of on, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:56

Damn. Not everybody though, but he's been in there since the 70s. Yeah, that's just sound crazy.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:02

Man, listen, I know a dude that was in there, he was a juvenile lifer. Um, I ain't gonna speak his name because he ain't right.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:09

But um What you mean he ain't right?

SPEAKER_09 1:02:11

He was left. He was left in that job. Like, he's been in jail since he was 15, he's like probably in his 70s, right?

SPEAKER_08 1:02:17

Oh, he turned, so he had way too much fun in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good way to put it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:21

That's a good way to put it, yeah. Yeah, so um and right before I left, they had moved me to this honor block, and he was like actually like right across from me on the third tier.

SPEAKER_11 1:02:33

Right.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:33

He never filed none of his paperwork, man. Nothing. He didn't want to go home. He's still in there right now. Oh, he just came home from up there. He's still there right now.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:42

Damn. And why if they can't want to come home because of that? Because he's fun. Like, oh, he knows Jim. What are you gonna do out here?

SPEAKER_09 1:02:48

He never had sex before with a wife. Oh my god. Never.

unknown 1:02:53

Never.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:53

And his family probably, how old is he?

SPEAKER_09 1:02:55

Um, he's like probably like 70. I've been home six years now. He was in his later 60s, you know, then.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:00

So like 70s, so he's still he's still having way too much fun at at 70. Probably store.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:07

Yeah, man. He be on the little white poles, he be hollow.

SPEAKER_10 1:03:12

Way too much fun up there. But that's his reality. We laugh about it, but that's what a lot of men's reality is gonna be. Yeah, you're gonna be in there and you're gonna be. I got a homie, right? That he didn't have like he had like 40 years in North Philly, and he started doing way too much fun activities. Yeah, so you know, the guys, me, I don't one thing about it, I I'm hard on a rat. I'm gonna get a rat away from me. A dude, I won't befriend you if you're a homosexual, like, but I see you and still respect you. What's up, cuz? We gotta respect. I ain't gonna be get away from me, you a faggot. No, I ain't into none of that. I because I've been in that world for so long that you become numb to that stuff. That's what y'all are doing. This is what I'm doing. For sure. And uh with my homie, he's telling me, like, yo, this is our world now, man. He's like, yeah, I mean, in his mind, he burnt out. He like, man, Allah is the best of plans. I'm like, what you mean by that? He's like, Well, listen, this is our world. We got our own president, like the warden is the president of the United Jails, and we got our own girls. I'm like, what you mean, our own girls, bro? He like the ones that we got up here, like dudes, they'll sit you in there, and you will psych if you're weak and you got it forever to do in there. And a lot of that, a lot of guys do this, yeah, they'll just go with the flow of the environment of prison, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:21

Yeah, that's hard. Yeah, we call them uh fun boys, but they have to have it way too much fun. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:27

So unfortunately, I know a lot of people that had a lot of fun in the jail.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:30

Yeah, I mean, no, but you gotta get into the story, man. You know, because these stories gotta be told, it can happen. Yeah, man. You you know, you told me something on the way up here, man. And a lot of guys, and I and I, you know, I believe you wholeheartedly because I used to do it in the county, but I never took took place, I just was watching out. Yeah, they had the CO girls or wake me up and be like, yo, can you watch out for me while I do this with myself? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I never got a chance to get involved. Oh, yeah. I was live. I was getting the same perks that they got besides the vagina. Yeah, like I'm getting all the cigarettes, I get to use a phone in there and then I just went, but what what was going on? Because you told me some things that you was doing when you was in there.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:06

Oh yeah, shit. I had a run in front of them. I was late.

SPEAKER_10 1:05:09

You had a what?

SPEAKER_09 1:05:10

I had a run, like okay, yeah. So like it was it was it was open at them times, like early 2000s and all that. And girls that was coming to see me, like I was in the mix.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:22

And this is like visiting room action.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:24

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:24

A whole I heard about that by the vending machines, yeah. So that really goes on.

SPEAKER_10 1:05:30

What man Where the guards be at? They'd be somewhere asleep or something.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:34

I'm saying, man, my homie was there, he didn't block for me before. Like, no, like so how hundred then was at that time, right? Like the visiting room was kind of sweet. So they had all these cameras, and we used to like listen, literally hide under cameras. But they used to just let us go freely to take pictures. They had to call it, yo, anybody want to take pictures and go take pictures.

SPEAKER_11 1:05:53

Y'all go over there.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:54

I'm lining it up. It'd be me, you, tall feet, moose, my brother. We all got that's out there.

SPEAKER_11 1:05:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:00

We all in a line together.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:01

Right.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:02

It's going all kinds of ways in the middle of that line. And whoever blocking and all that.

SPEAKER_10 1:06:07

Wow. Yeah, straight like that. People in there making babies and everything.

unknown 1:06:11

What?

SPEAKER_10 1:06:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:13

I had a run, man. I had a run from 05 to like I got caught in 08.

SPEAKER_10 1:06:19

Oh, you got court doing it?

SPEAKER_09 1:06:21

Yeah, I got court. They called, they called, they called down on me, man. Locked you up. Yeah, they locked you up. Took them visits. That was the best time I ever went to the whole of my life.

SPEAKER_10 1:06:29

You was cool with that.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:30

Yeah, man. I had to make a couple slots up, you know. I got it together.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:35

Yeah. So what happened? So you just sitting there and they just blitz you.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:39

Well, no, they don't blitz you like that. So what they do is like they go look at the cameras. And I tip though, if I'm being honest, they had put cameras now like all over the drone. But I'm thinking like I just got away with it yesterday. I know I can get away with it today. Your horny was up. I was super up. It's Monday. Nobody's in the visiting room. Nobody can't even block for you.

SPEAKER_10 1:07:00

And you still did it.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:01

Yeah, man. And I got my man locked up too. I got my man locked up, man. Shout out to Lil Boo, man. Shout out, Boo. Lil Boo went right to the hole, man. He was pissed. But um, yeah, man. I was having fun.

SPEAKER_10 1:07:15

What little boo from down north? Yeah. This came home back in the feds now. Unfortunately. Yeah, unfortunately, man. Shout out to Lil Boo, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:23

So those visits, right? And those you you got those visits to sit out. So you went to the hole after that situation, but you had your run.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:31

I had my run.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:32

How long was funny you said?

SPEAKER_09 1:07:33

From 05 to 08. That's a three-year run. Now listen though. Y'all want to hear something funny? Yeah. Hey, rest in peace to the big fella, man.

SPEAKER_11 1:07:41

Hick.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:42

Man, Hick ain't used to want to pull that journal out, bro. Oh man, Hick used to be scared, man. This boy knife a nigga to the ground, bro. Them girls used to come up there. Hick used to freeze. Yeah. Yeah, man. My man ain't used to get with it.

SPEAKER_10 1:08:00

Shout out to Big Hick, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:02

Yeah, that's the best. So you know, you let's go let's go back to you getting the paper. You signed the paper. You know, 20 to life. Um two years, uh you had two years ago basically before you get 18 months ago before you actually were eligible to be released. Uh when did you know that you was going home?

SPEAKER_09 1:08:20

All right, so um I remember them like kind of like listeners too. Like, when you when you got a life sentence in a state, it's a lot of programs that you're not privy to because of your sentence. Like, why would they give us you certain programs you ain't gonna never go home? Yeah, yeah, right. So soon as like I got like my deal, and like this it started, they had was putting us in every program, giving us every job that was available, right? So that was like my process of like, yo, this is real.

SPEAKER_10 1:08:50

I'm gonna get out of here.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:51

Yeah, my name started being on like the the the call out list. I'd never seen my name on a call out list for parole. So that joint was like they sending me to all these different classes. Man, bro, I'm telling you, I only knew how I only knew one way to jail the whole time I was in jail prior to this. Like, I'm doing my time however I want to do my time. Like flat out. When them girls come see me, y'all talking about we can't kiss and a hug. I ain't with none of that. I'm hugging and kissing however I want. You know what I mean? All that. I'm running around in the jail, like if it's drugs and jail, whatever. But um, once they came down, once once they came down with that decision, I really fell back. Like, they ain't really gonna give us a shot to go wrong.

SPEAKER_10 1:09:29

You started tightening all way.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:30

They're not gonna they knock on roof us, they not gonna get nobody was getting 60 and 80 years. I'm like, like Pennsylvania really like giving it up like this. Yeah, I'm like, all right, no, I'm I'm chilling. Yeah, fell all the way back.

SPEAKER_10 1:09:44

Rolled it to the door.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:45

I fell, man. I literally fell all the way back. Um, so this was like around COVID time. And um, when I seen Perole, and I remember Was you scared going in there and see parole that day?

SPEAKER_10 1:09:56

Oh, black, because you know it'd be like a nervous film. I hope these people let me go, man.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:00

And black, they kept telling me they had sent me to a class that like they actually help you write your letter for the stuff that you want to say to the parobo.

SPEAKER_10 1:10:07

Yeah, that's how major them joints.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:09

I don't need none of that. I've been waiting for this moment all my life.

SPEAKER_10 1:10:12

So, yeah, yeah, yeah. You talking about yeah, I'm ready to go. Alrighty, listen. I got these words on what go. What you say, Don? What you say to him that day? You remember that day? Um, because that's a heavy that's a heavy hearing right there, man.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:25

Because it wasn't, it wasn't like I wasn't going in there fraud to the family.

SPEAKER_10 1:10:28

Exactly. When line, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:30

So it was it was kind of easy. Like, yo, listen, like I won't go home to my family. I'm gonna go home and get a job, I'm gonna go home and live, I'm gonna go and make some kids. I'm gonna be productive to my community. Yeah, all which I'm doing.

SPEAKER_10 1:10:41

Exactly.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:41

I got a kid, I'm productive to my community, I got a job, I'm out the way.

SPEAKER_10 1:10:46

Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_09 1:10:47

Yeah, I've been home almost six years, Allah willing. No, this November, six years, you know what I mean? So, yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_10 1:10:54

So let me ask you this after you have your parole hearing, they don't make that decision.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:58

Now that was when I was in limbo, black car being nine.

SPEAKER_10 1:11:02

That's what that's that's that's why I want to get it. That's what I'm boring. It was like waiting for that joint to come.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:06

But you know why I don't talk feet? Because I always heard all them years, like my homies would say, Yeah, bro, they've been I've been waiting eight weeks and eight, sixteen weeks for my I didn't understand what none of that meant. Yeah, I always would you know I could only talk to a person about that to a certain extent. They say green sheet. You know what a green sheet is?

SPEAKER_08 1:11:23

That's what it slides on your door and let nobody go home and so forth and so on.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:26

It's actually green though. Did you know that? No, I put it on a green piece of paper. I'm assuming that's why it's a green sheet. Yeah, that don't mean that it's actually green, it's a green, it means it's a gun. No, the green sheet can tell you you're not going home, also. Oh wow, but the paper is actually green. I never knew that.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:41

So it came under your door.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:43

No, bro. So this is during COVID, right? This is during COVID. And once I had um I finished talking to the parole board, um, I remember them saying that like, you know, it would take a couple weeks or whatever for them for me to get it, get a decision and all that. And they was also saying that like it might take a little longer, being as though all the stuff that was going on with COVID, everybody had masks on, the whole world was shut down. So I remember like, man, probably like six or seven days after I saved parole, it was his um the social worker, and he was a real good dude too, man. He came to my cell. We was I was just in there just like chilling. He like, bruh, the door real quick. You know what I mean? He like, uh dude, and he's like, uh, read this real quick. This is the first time I ever actually knew that why green sheet was called a green sheet. I took it out of the envelope, it's a green piece of paper. I'm looking at him like dude, read it real quick. I'm like, read it real quick, read this real quick. This these are words I never heard in 20 years. Yeah, that's on this paper, whether it's denied or parole, and never even thought about reading the people. Exactly, bro. So I'm reading it, man. Black them words, each letter was the biggest this damn thing right here, man. Right, and I'm just like, and it just said, like, um uh you know, we believe or whatever, whatever, but not before or after upon November 7th, or whatever. I'm like, dang, that was August. This was like six days after I seen them.

SPEAKER_10 1:13:25

What was your mentality after you read that letter?

SPEAKER_09 1:13:27

Still had the same mentality because like it was COVID, black. Yeah, I mean, no, no, like like on a no black. I start hearing that jeezy shit. Let's get it. Like, that's what you mean. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was geeked up 1000%. I was geeked out of my mind because like I'm and I'm calling home, like when I'm able to get like the phone or whatever, and around that time, like it boom. Like, like like people in the street, like my friends and my family, like it was oh. So it was like, bro, just get out this drone. Yeah, I'm hearing all these different clothes and stuff and places to eat. I don't I'm none of this, all this language is new to me because we didn't we wouldn't talk about that before. You know what I mean? It was all talking about, you know, lawyer talk or damn, I can scrape 5,000 or whatever. You know what I mean? No, we talking, yo, when you come home next month, no, a couple months from now, this will be doing, and all I'm like, dang.

SPEAKER_10 1:14:21

Yeah, that them things right there, you'll never forget. Yeah, never. Wow, bro. Your life was your life, your life was in limbo.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:27

Yeah, I had a I had a real good, real, real good welcome home too, man. My welcome home was live, man. My whole block lit up.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:34

Everybody was ready. Describe that day though. Describe that day of getting out the day when well the night before you about to be released the next day.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:41

I ain't sleep. Oh, but hold on. All right, so the night before, so that whole week I didn't sleep because they transition you from the actual population block and they put you on like a quarantine block. Yeah, like you know, you ready to go back to society, that covert stuff was going on. So let's get you away from where all the covet stuff at in the jail or whatever. They put me in quarantine, and I'm like, Oh, what is going on?

SPEAKER_10 1:15:03

You still can't believe it.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:04

Yeah, like they bringing a phone to my cell now, and then um a lot of them guards, them hillbilly guards, man. Some of the like the hardest ones, to I never forget this, black. My seven days back there, they was actually coming to the cell shaking my hand, bro. You're going home. They like I couldn't believe it. Like, some of the guys, like, yo, this boy is top-notch racist. I can't believe this boy is actually genuinely happy. I'm believing. Yeah, I couldn't believe it. Shook, shaking my hand and all that. So the very next day, so I so now we're gonna say the day I'm I'm supposed to go home. Never forget my little sister, man, and my little brother, they were supposed to come get me. I'm on their ass. I know they smoke weed, I know they don't get on time, yeah, yeah, all that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you gotta chill, but like it was a dude that I was in the cell with, like, literally, like I think like eight o'clock was the earliest you can come pick somebody up. Like 8 10, they call my celly, like, yo, your family came to pick you up, he leave. Where are my folks at? Yo, let me get on the phone. He said, Let me get on the phone, let me call my brother. I had my man call him, they like, yo, bro, we here. Like, like they re call you any second and all that. And I remember as my man walking down the block, the Ray tell me, like, yo, I just got off the phone with your folks. He called me over the loudspeaker.

SPEAKER_10 1:16:18

You like the pants out?

SPEAKER_09 1:16:21

Bro, ready? I'm like, damn.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:24

It's here.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:25

Yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:28

And they and they cracked that door and you walked out. What about like the walking towards your door? Like walking towards, what would you think of walking towards that door?

SPEAKER_09 1:16:34

All right, so hold on, black. Oh, tell me, like, prior to that, right? So um before I went to jail, we wasn't really like, well, me, for me, we wasn't wearing like box of briefs and tight clothes and all that kind of shit. Like what I mean. So, my brother, like, I'm telling him, like, bro, you know, send me some clothes up.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:51

This nigga, he came all Nike Tech and all that.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:55

You might as well say it was like a Nike tech, but it was like a polo draw, right? But it was something, man, bro. When I put them drawers on, bro, it took me 10 minutes to figure it out. Oh, this ain't right. Like, this ain't supposed to, you know what I mean? Yeah, and I'm like, oh, but I felt crazy like with the clothes on because it was so light fitted, and I'm like, Yeah, I feel weird. Yeah, but I remember though talking, I walk into the car and I see my little brother and I see their faces, I see my little sister's face, and they lit up, I'm lit up, and we get in that car, and it was like, damn, it's really on.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:27

I'm riding on how we looking out, see other cars.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:30

I kept telling her to slow down. She was hard. I'm like, yo, this is the first time I've been in the car in 28 years.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:34

He was car sick, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:37

Back in the drone. I'm telling the kept telling the slow down, like slow down.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:40

Wow, yeah, yeah, man. So I want to say something to y'all, man. Once again, July 18th, man. The live event is gonna be taking place. Um, tickets are available. The link is actually in the actual in the chat for those who want to get their tickets today. Uh, make sure you hit that like button. So, Don, so now you're riding on the highway on your on your way down to the city. How long was the ride to the city?

SPEAKER_09 1:18:01

Like it's supposed to be a two and a half hour.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:04

She had two feet on the gas, you got there 45 minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:08

Yeah, yeah, we got there in good time. Yeah, we got there in good time.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:12

All right, go, y'all. But so you get to the city, what was the first thing you saw?

SPEAKER_09 1:18:16

I'm like, damn, this is uh this we back in Philly. Um, like, like, like this when I knew I'm like, damn, West Philly. We coming across that zoo, that zoo turn, zoo bridge, like they're coming up the expressway. I'm right in West Philly, homes. Like, damn, it's all like, yeah, I'm at the crib.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:34

Right by the or you can't board by the Sudoka right there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:38

Like, I'm like, damn, I'm back in West Philly, man. It's crazy. You know, going through like the you know, up Parkside Avenue, seeing found my park at this key in the house, it's like, yo, that was wow.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:49

What was different from what from when you went in that you can say, all right, that was different from when I went in.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:55

Um, like cars.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:57

Like, like seeing the cars, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:59

Like, like, damn, all right, car is there's no more squatters, yeah. No more delta. Yeah, exactly. There's no more squatters. You can get a cavalier right there and ride to LA. You know what I mean? So it's like, damn, there's no more squads. Like everything is like cut like that a little bit. So that kind of like one of the things that then like um like the buildings, like seeing like the the infrastructure of like Philly, like it changed. 52nd Street changed. Like saying that, like, damn, stuff changed, like hot changed, like seeing life also depleted a little bit too, like tripped me out. Before I went to jail, like hanging on the corner, seeing people in the corner 30, 40 deep, every other neighborhood was like a thing.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:38

Yeah, not no more, now yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:39

So, like seeing that, like, whoa culture shock.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:42

Yeah, you like, whoa, this is nobody outside no more.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:46

No, nope.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:48

Dang. So, all right, you get back to you know, your neighborhood, and you'll go you go get you your mom, Duke's house, or your family house. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So describe that.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:58

So, like you wanna sound funny, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:00

Sounds to me.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:01

So my brother, my brother, my brother and my little sister at the time, right? They didn't really know how because Hick came home before me. So they didn't really know how tight we was, right?

SPEAKER_10 1:20:11

They didn't know how tight you and Hick was. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:13

So at the time my sister had like a little a charger or whatever, right? They like, man, where this big nigga gonna say? He wanna come, he won't come with us to come pick you up. This nigga be shit, where you gonna go? They left me. Yeah, they left me, right? So when I um we pulled up on the block, I seen my O first, I seen Teresa, and I talked to her, hugged her. She all hysterical, she crying. My pot, it was 70-something degrees too in November. So this is the law, man. This is the person of the law, man. Um my dad happened to be on the corner, my dad happened to be on the corner, like sweeping like the side of the house. And he seen me, we you know, we hugged the stuff and boom, boom, boom. And um I remember, I remember going in the crib to go see my mom, and Hick was videoing. So Vic got the the video uh uh uh recorded, my first embrace of my mom without the guards having to say, Browns, visit over. Like, you know what I mean? I actually was able to embrace my mom, bro. You know what I mean? I sat and I chilled with my mom for like a half hour. She just was so happy, she just kept smiling and kept asking me what I wanted to eat. And by when I went back outside, man, it was like 40 people outside. An hour later, there's probably 60 people on the block. It's all kinds of cars. And I remember the neighbors kept saying, like, what's going on? Like, what's going on? And I buried, little Donald home. Little Donald came home. Oh, hey, baby, and all like, yeah, it was like it was dope, bro. I had to welcome home, though.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:40

Yeah, man. And now that you're home, man, and going through all that, going from you know, juvenile life sentence, going through all that transition and being in jail for 20 years, all the heartache of losing people in jail. Yeah, uh, you know, now coming home, you should just say you're a father now, a working man in society. You know, um what do you gotta say to people out there who, you know, out here just you know, breaking law or just being wasteful with their time? Yeah. What would you what if what advice or what can you say to the people out here who just out here just you know waste.

SPEAKER_10 1:22:10

And don't and don't shorten it up, Doc. You was just at your cookout when you sat there and told me a half hour, which was grinding me up. Why you don't tell them that you got to do that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you okay? Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:23

Uh unfortunately, man, we can't reach everybody, right? Right. But those the ones that we can get, man. Like, I'm a walking, living experience, man, of what you don't want to go through. Them jails is real. I know a lot of people, man, that I that still call me, man, from them jails. They never come at home.

SPEAKER_10 1:22:40

How long they been in there already?

SPEAKER_09 1:22:42

20, 30. I don't got nobody. Everybody that called me from the jails got 20 a better. I don't know. Um, you know what I mean? Yeah. So it's like, and I got friends, they my friends.

SPEAKER_12 1:22:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:51

My man TJ says to die in that drone. Call me, bro. Like, I don't be knowing what to say to him all the time, bro. You know what I mean? Up and all that.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:01

He speaks about something too. Uh, that some of the bonds and relationships that you get in jail, people in jail, are have you closer to them than you actually got to do.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:11

Your own family iron industry.

SPEAKER_10 1:23:13

My friends for a nigga you met in jail will be a friend of you.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:17

Explain it, man.

SPEAKER_10 1:23:18

It's somebody that been through that combat, that war with you in there. And I ain't talking about war, physical war, shootings, that. I'm talking about going through the phases of jail. And a nigga that's right there in that cell with you every day. Y'all like each other doctors. Yo, check this out. This girl said to me, or my kid. And then you telling him you I don't think it can get no, you're my brother can't, unless he's in that cell with me. Yeah, he can't build a better bond than what this man in the cell could with me. Anyway, that's why we asked, presented the question.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:44

Yeah, like I got an old head tall fake man named ST, right? One of the solidest dudes I ever met in my life. He's been in jail, like probably like I don't know, maybe like I don't know, like 40 years. Like I don't know, man, just like a solid dude. Never did no flea stuff. Everybody loves him. I get a lot of character with some of my ways, my good ways from it. You know what I mean? And some of one of the best persons I ever met in my life. As long as I got air, bro, and breath, bro, I'm never gonna leave him for stuff.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:23

Wow, man, we're about to get up to these phone, these phone lines of those who want to ask questions, man. Uh die, you pull your mic a little closer to you if you can. Uh people might want to ask you some questions. Uh, y'all know the number, uh, 215-316-4492. This was a great 215-316-444 interview.

SPEAKER_10 1:24:40

I'm glad that you was able to make it up here, man, and bless the audience with your experiences, man. And then where you at didn't break you.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:48

No.

SPEAKER_10 1:24:48

I'm looking at you today like, dang. Oh, Dime is a good dude, man. Yeah. Like me and you met, just met. And and but to me, you a brother of mine because of what we've been through together. Yeah, like a lot of people can't say they did 20, 30 years, ain't tell, ain't had sex with a boy, ain't did none of the other goofy shit that come with jail.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:08

I ain't never get slapped. No, none of that.

SPEAKER_10 1:25:11

Let me ask you this, me and him before they start calling you in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If a nigga wanted to fight you, would you rather him punch you or slap you? No, nigga, I punch people. Nigga, I punched.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:22

I've been socked a whole lot in my life. I've never been slapped. Yeah. Nah, because people behind the slap. Like slap is in the in a like a a humiliation. Yeah, exactly. I'm belittling you. You're a bitch ass nigga. I ain't never. But a punch can't be that though? I know. That's why nigga slap you. A nigga just wanna rumble you.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:39

It's probably more respectful. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:42

Yeah. Nigga, no, ain't no.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:43

Slap is different, bro. Tell Smiths.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:49

What's up, B? What's up?

SPEAKER_08 1:25:54

What's going on? What's up, Mr.

unknown 1:25:56

Push?

SPEAKER_10 1:26:09

You you breaking up. You might gotta turn something down or something. You breaking up. We can't we can hear you, but you're going in and out.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:16

Is it better now?

SPEAKER_10 1:26:17

Yeah, it's better now.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:19

All right, but so feet black. They always always forgot to put whatever.

SPEAKER_10 1:26:29

Yeah, you still breaking up, bro. You still breaking up. You might got to hang up and call back. You breaking up good.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:34

How about that? Is it better?

SPEAKER_08 1:26:36

Yeah, it's a little better now. Go what you say.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:39

So imagine if I gotta uh y'all on the case you and feet and charge whatever that you had to do 20 years, right? And to do the 20 years, somebody gotta do first and somebody gotta do second. Who doing the 10%?

SPEAKER_08 1:27:00

The first 10 years.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:02

Well, this doesn't mean we gotta do 10, but oh, so who first somebody gotta do it second?

SPEAKER_08 1:27:09

Um I don't know. I mean let me go. I'm going in first. Yeah, because I'm I'm gonna try to run it. Yeah, let me try to run it up.

SPEAKER_10 1:27:17

I'm gonna try to run it up real quick before we go. I can maintain it. Now getting it is one thing. I mean, he's good at that. So I'm gonna go in first. While he runs it up, I'm gonna come out and maintain for his dumb.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:38

You too, man. That's a hell of a question.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:40

That's that barbership.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:41

That's the Yeah, we're gonna have to make that a topic. That was a hell of a question.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:47

Where are you calling from?

SPEAKER_08 1:27:48

Where you from?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:49

I'm I'm in Maryland, but I'm calling from Delaware.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:52

All right, man. Appreciate you, but shout out to Merlin, man. Hell of a question, though. That was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:58

Have a good night.

SPEAKER_10 1:27:59

You too. Yeah, man. It's another thing I wanted to ask you too, right? Because I try to tell people the ramifications or the the the hype about and I want you to explain it because they always hear me explain it about how your day can go with a good or bad celly. What's the what's the what's the the hype about a good or a bad selly? Can that a bad selly throw you all the way on?

SPEAKER_09 1:28:22

Yeah, because that's and you wouldn't have tight living conditions and your celllies are weirdo? It's crazy. I mean that like nah from your standpoint about that. I mean I've had bad celllies, but I was fortunate enough, man, to like I'm maneuvering. I'm I'm even going to the whole, I can figure it out fast. Yeah, I can figure out how to not have the bad celly fast.

SPEAKER_11 1:28:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:44

Unfortunately, fortunately, I never had to like, you know, fuck none of my celllies up to get him out. But having one weird celly, yeah. All right, cool. Just give me two days, he's gone.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:52

Yeah. And my bro just having a uh just have had a situation where he tried to put him in a cell with a pump. He was like, he's not doing it.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:58

Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:58

Had to go to the hole, we had to check in.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:59

Yeah, you gotta go, gotta go to the hole, gotta go. I've had a situation like that before, like, and I never had like a bunch of them, but it was this boy, and he had came back from the Fez, right? Old head bull, and the whole jail. This boy was freaky. But he was on the block with us, right? And I think my whole my cell you had either just went to the hole or something like that. So my cell was free. And they try to like break, I'm like, man, I'm not going to the cell with him, man. And then the sergeant boy that was on the block, me and him was kind of all right, like down, down, like, you know, just give me one day I'll get it. My nah, not for one second. He's not coming to the cell with me. So they wind up taking the cell from me, giving it to him, and moving me in the cell with my man Scales, right? And that's crazy because me and my man Scales from Harrisburg, that's how we wound up becoming real tight. We wound up being sellers for like seven years after that. Oh, wow. So me just moving in the cell because I didn't have no selling. I mean, and they was trying to move a chump in the cell. The very next morning, this dude who I'm talking about was right in the child hall line with the chumps.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:00

Yeah. Yeah. And you gotta come back to the cell with that.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:02

He ain't never come back to my cell.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:04

Fun fun guy. No. So yeah, y'all call in, man. 215-316-4492. Um, don't forget the live event, July 18th. Make sure you hit that like button right now. Now, he spoke about having a um uh a celly who's, you know, we might have a celly who's a fun boy. Is it is it better to have a celly who uh who's clean who's clean, like if a guy's like dirty, like he's he's not very really, really clean in coming in your cell.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:33

That's a bother too, because think about it, bro. The cell's smaller than this space right here.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:37

Yep.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:39

Tell him, Dom, because they're gonna be like, My legal work, bro. My legal work alone, because I had a had a uh a life sentence, you know, so your legal work be kind of like you have boxes and stuff. I had four or five boxes worth of legal work. You gotta keep that stuff on the we gotta keep it clean, bro. Like what air we gotta pray here, yeah. And all that. So the best sellers that I've ever had, don't man, was the ones that was muscle that was praying, bro.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:02

Tell us where the jails we speaking with buzzing 1600. Say who?

SPEAKER_06 1:31:11

Buzzing 1600.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:13

What's going on, man? How you doing, bro?

SPEAKER_07 1:31:15

I want to ask Don a question. That's Buzzin' 1600. This boy's silly. What's up, Buzzin?

SPEAKER_06 1:31:22

What's up, Don? What's up, my guy? Yeah. How did you handle the transition?

SPEAKER_09 1:31:34

Say it again, bro. I can't really hear you.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:37

How did you handle your transition? From the from the jail scene to now, like, how do you feel about how you how you can maintain your safety and your emotional connection to society?

SPEAKER_09 1:31:52

Um for me, man, like you know, staying grounded, like around keeping good people around you matters. You know what I mean? Like, I got good family, I got good friends. And um, you know, I mind my business too. But yeah, yeah, yeah. I had I had great friends, man, since I've been home, man. So like, you know what I mean? Like my transition has been real good.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:20

You have any kids?

SPEAKER_09 1:32:21

Yes, I have son have my son four years old.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:29

All right, that's it.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:30

Alright, man. Enjoy your day, man. I appreciate you, man. Well enjoy your day, bro. Yeah, so yeah, man, you know, uh, you know, the etiquette of you know having a clean celly, uh celly who's not a fun boy, or a celly that's just you know, it's cool that you can buy where you can kind of spend you know time, like you said.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:52

I ain't gonna lie, Top like having the right celly, man, it don't even feel like you're doing time, right? Like, it don't feel like you're doing time. Like me and June Bug, man, my man June bug, we were so locked in, bro. We were celllies for like 10 years on and off. Like, it was a given. I don't have to say June Bug, make voodoo, we gotta pray. We already know what we gotta do. It's a giving. We gonna he cooking, he gotta hold for you. And it's crazy you said that because he had the craziest hand in like danning with jail. I mean, like, so you know, it didn't really like, yeah, bro. I'm not sitting here trying to act like you didn't know jail was just easy. What no cakewalk, bro? But when you, I'm just talking about that specifically. When you got a good celly and you know right here, right now, and I have to be here, all right. You make the best with this person right here, it'd be cool.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:43

Cause that that celly, like you said, is either gonna make or break you because y'all y'all building a you know, like a brotherhood, abandoning that. That's who you're around all your bid, really. Now, like I said, now also actually now that now that you home, right? And you know, like you said, the support, everybody was there for you. Coming home, you now had had have a son, got a job, got all this stuff going on now that you're doing. Um what's the what's the what's the the most important thing to you now that you're home and you're actually free? Because you know, sometimes you can't really see these things right until you're actually out here. What's like the most important thing to you now? Like, what do you cherish the most now that you're home?

SPEAKER_09 1:34:23

Um so like the time, like time, like I'm not trying to make this like like my brothers, both of my brothers, I mean myself, we all got younger kids. So spending the time with them kids, man, and like really making sure them kids is raised right, being able to talk to my mom and my dad every day, that's a blessing. That's a blessing. Like, I don't I try to not make that normal at all, bro, because I just was you know in a situation where as though they said like you're never gonna go home and be talking to your mom and your dad again. You know what I mean? So yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:01

Answer that. Tell Smiths, we're speaking with Cliff from the K. What's up, Cliff? What's going on, bro? How you doing, man?

SPEAKER_03 1:35:09

What's going on, man? What is it? PSK making that green park side five two. Yeah, I was thinking about that when man was on the front.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:21

Yeah, what's going on, man?

SPEAKER_03 1:35:23

Um it was a good interview, man. Uh I was uh I was listening to uh he was talking about the old book let outs and all that. Uh uh I went through that. We took up in there.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:39

Yo, uh, you were how was the fight? I know this is off topic. I know this is off topic, but uh yeah, we can talk about the fight, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:45

You know, we can we can talk about that. I mean for me, uh I'm I'll make I'll make I'll make the uh my uh my response real short and real sweet, but I I think I think Boots got it just I think he just he get hit a little bit too much as far as get punches being landed. But I think that um I think overall he he showed he showed grit, you know, he showed that he could that he could punch, showed that he could box.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:06

I wasn't even there. You was there?

SPEAKER_08 1:36:08

No, no, I know we we was in New York earlier. We had to leave because uh, you know, uh angry man over here ain't want to go.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:14

You ain't gonna yo. I wish I was there, man. Yo, I like he do that purposely. He could have boxed him just you know, without flawlessly. He purposely did that. He wanted to troll himself, yeah. So I don't know, but uh, I want to go to his next drum.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:30

Yeah, man. Hopefully I'll see you there, man. But yeah, any other questions you got for us right now? Anything you got, anything else you got for us?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:36

Oh no, I'm just uh just like listening to you guys, and this is my yeah, listen to you guys your work and all that, man. And you guys can I'll see you guys in uh day 10th.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:43

I appreciate you, man. Appreciate you. Thank you, man. All right. Enjoy your day. Good night.

unknown 1:36:47

All right.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:49

Yeah, y'all call in uh 215-316-4492, 215-316-4492, July 18th. It's gonna be the live event. Make sure y'all hit that like button right now for us if y'all can. Definitely appreciate that.

SPEAKER_10 1:37:01

But what you were saying, Dam about you know, hugging your mom, hugging your mom and your dad. That's the things that you things that since you've been home, like dang. Yeah, bro. I try to not make it.

SPEAKER_09 1:37:10

Yeah, I'm telling you, bro, I try to not make that like just like like something little. Like, no, that's huge.

SPEAKER_10 1:37:17

That's super huge, bro.

SPEAKER_09 1:37:18

Yeah, man. Like, you know, Lord bless me, man. Um a few people, like, you know, some family members that are lost pieces throughout my life, or whatever the case may be. But I was fortunate, man, to come home to my mom and my dad, bro.

SPEAKER_11 1:37:32

Yeah, like what? Yeah, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_09 1:37:34

There's a whole lot of men coming out here today. Yeah, my brother, you know, my brother. Both of you know my brother's not being dead on them jails, you know what I mean? So my family really, really matters, bro.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:45

For sure. Yeah, shout out to Turkey Bands 215, appreciate you. Uh, we got a question from the homie KY. He said, This is a question for all of y'all. He said, uh, when you feel overwhelmed, let's take this call first. Take this call. Tell us my gels who you speaking with.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:03

This is big old out of California, they are shout out to Cali.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:06

What's up, big O? What's going on, man?

SPEAKER_02 1:38:09

Oh man, just what weapon, man, just timing in. I'm gonna have to uh call y'all from the uh Friday show when Black was talking about going to somebody's safe.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:22

Going to somebody's and doing what is that?

SPEAKER_02 1:38:25

Yeah, yeah. So basically, man, my first time, man I couldn't believe how they definitely try to have me set up, man. Put me in the room with a Mexican yeah. I'm not knowing how they treat you down my first time. I go in there and knocking everything again. What are you gonna let my wife start behind you? Come up out of there, the death you look at me laughing. I said, Oh, yeah, they don't play it here.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:14

Yeah, well, you're free now, man. So you you up out of there, man. So, you know, I'm happy to hear that you're home, man. Anything else you got for us, man?

SPEAKER_02 1:39:22

Nah, that's it, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:23

All right, we appreciate your call, man. And uh, thank you for tuning in all the way from California. Shout out to you, uh big O. And shout out to you know, uh the whole the whole California, the LA, what do you you name it out there, man? Thank you, man, for calling in, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:36

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:37

All right, enjoy your day. Reese. What's up, Reese? Where you calling from?

SPEAKER_02 1:39:50

Oh man. I'm calling from uh I'm calling from Parkshire. Yeah, Parkshire.

SPEAKER_10 1:39:57

Yeah, I talked about her.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:59

Hey, what's going on, Reese? What's going on?

SPEAKER_10 1:40:00

Oh, yeah, you talk shout out to you too, Reese.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:04

Yeah, she officially that's my baby. Shout out to you.

SPEAKER_09 1:40:10

I appreciate you. I love you. I'm proud of you. Don't don't start, don't start. You know I'm loud. Don't start you later.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:27

Yeah, man, it's good to have that support from your family, man. You know, people that love you outside, and then really it's important while you're out here too, man, because a lot of times, man, we don't we don't tell each other we love each other enough, man. You know, right? What a kiss say oh answer this phone and tell us from the jails. Tell us from the jails. You sure are who we speaking to?

SPEAKER_00 1:40:56

This is Dominique. This is his cousin, me and my family. What's up, yo? Hey, we are watching from home.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:04

That's what's up.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:07

I do have a question for you, Don. Yes, how was it coming home? And we watched it from the beginning, and you say, you know, you understood it's something that you did and you had to do your time, right? But coming home after all that time, did you have any resentment towards people or family members, aunts, uncles, even cousins? Like, oh, you weren't there for the last 20 years. I'm I'm done with you.

SPEAKER_09 1:41:33

Um, no, Dom, you know, you know I didn't. And that's because like I didn't feel like nobody never owed me nothing. I made a mistake in my life, and you know, jail was the result of it. All right, cool. Like the people that was there for me, cool, and the people that wasn't cool. I didn't come home with that.

SPEAKER_10 1:41:50

Entitlement issue.

SPEAKER_09 1:41:51

Yeah, I didn't do that. I ain't no, then nobody never owe me nothing. I made a mistake flat out. I went to jail for it, cool.

SPEAKER_10 1:41:58

Exactly. Served your time as a man.

SPEAKER_09 1:42:00

Yeah, that's why I don't look like I'm 69 and all that. Exactly. You know what I mean? Like, no, I didn't I didn't I didn't have those kind of angers and none of that towards nobody. I just love all my family.

SPEAKER_08 1:42:11

That's what's up.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:12

That's good. Well, all your nieces are watching, they think you're famous now. Hey y'all, y'all famous. Hi, girls. I love you. Love you too, Don.

SPEAKER_08 1:42:21

All right, see ya. Peace. Enjoy your day. Yeah, man, it's good, man. Like I was saying, like you know, family is important, especially when you're on the streets, uh, friends and family.

SPEAKER_10 1:42:32

Not to cut you off, bro. Not only, I'm gonna go even further to tell you that I see the character in you without even having to look at you. Right. Because ain't nobody gonna be back in no fuck shit play. I'm telling you, and they calling in by the drools. You know what I'm saying? So I ain't got to sit here and talk to you just to hear that you're a good man. Cause ain't nobody calling up about no piece of shit. Yeah, you know, for real though. We're gonna keep it real. Ain't nobody breaking your rushing the lines, your old baby, cuz, what's up? We got me. We out here, we love you. We got my kids. Why nobody calling about no piece of shit, man? You seen my cookout, black. Come on, man. I was actually a cookout. You talk about you've seen it. You've made me a part of the cookout, exactly.

SPEAKER_08 1:43:07

Like it was mine all love and invited me, but I was with the family because it didn't come out.

SPEAKER_09 1:43:11

For sure.

SPEAKER_08 1:43:12

Yeah, that's what's up, man. That's what's up, man. It's good to see that people are showing love, man. Um, shout out to 215 Nitro. Uh, shout out to everybody in the chat.

SPEAKER_10 1:43:21

What's the question that you were ready to ask before the call came in? What it was on here?

SPEAKER_08 1:43:25

Oh, oh, scroll, scroll down something for me, uh, Tofi, if you can uh see it. Scroll back up to the top. It was a good question, too. I forget what it was. You can't, you can't. Let me check it out. Let me see. You probably can't. You probably can't. Okay, I got it. It says uh this is a question for y'all. Um, you said, um, when you're feeling overwhelmed with life, what is this? What are some of the ways y'all snap back into reality? Uh, this is from the big homie KY. For me, um, prayer, you know, for me, it just always gets me right back. Like for me, like if I feel like I'm slipping to anything and not doing something right, or whenever time times get difficult for me, I just start praying. Ain't no doubt. You know, for me, that's just really it. Up to Hajja and up prayer to Hajja, you know, start start getting back to, you know, if I'm if I'm I miss a prayer, the masjid or whatever, I just try to go back to the masjid and pray. Things like that, man. Talk to, you know, people, good people that care about me, whatever stuff. This just getting closer, really firstly to my Lord. That's it for me.

SPEAKER_09 1:44:21

What about y'all? Um prayer's a good one, talk to me. I'll be I'll be alive. I'd sit here and say I ain't need my doobie. I need the doobie. I suppose be a doobie, but I don't care. Nothing I fall back. I watch six, seven movies in a row. Um I'm gonna figure life out. Like, you know what I mean? I'll be alright.

SPEAKER_10 1:44:42

Me? Isolation. For prayers first, but I'm gonna need that isolation with the prayer. You know, just to get it together, because you know, you ask questions or ask how things is going, and somebody might give you the answer that you don't want to hear. It might be the right answer, but you got to deal with, you know, your own stresses, and I think so anyway. You can put them on somebody else, and you can look for all the opinions and situations you want, but at the end of the day, you solely got to make that choice to make your situation better.

SPEAKER_09 1:45:12

Sure, I agree.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:12

Yeah, uh, I got a question from Tashena Daniel 4065. Yeah, she said, hey, can you ask what's more important to him? Uh black always uh the phone calls uh for the guests, is it the phone calls or the visits? I'm assuming saying is it what's more important? Is it the phone calls or the visits while you're in jail? I'm assuming. I don't know if I'm reading that right.

SPEAKER_09 1:45:35

Is that the question?

SPEAKER_08 1:45:36

Can you ask what's more important to him? Black always the phone calls for the guests, or is it the phone calls or the visits?

SPEAKER_10 1:45:44

Yes, you might gotta ask that question over again at Tanisha Daniel 4065, because you you worded it crazy a little bit right here. Hey Turkey.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:54

Turkey bands, not on duty. We ain't giving no Johns out, man. Not on duty, man.

SPEAKER_10 1:46:00

You asked what's more important to him. Black always something, the phone calls for the guests. Is it the phone calls or the visit? Oh no.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:09

Yeah, I guess I don't know. I'm I'm assuming I I mean in jail, I guess they probably asked.

SPEAKER_10 1:46:13

I think she probably was was what was more like pleasing to you, the phone calls or a visit.

SPEAKER_09 1:46:18

I always was like kind of like considerate to my my folks.

SPEAKER_10 1:46:21

Right.

SPEAKER_09 1:46:22

So you so like my my my homies that I knew like that was in the street and all that, yeah. Oh, get on the road. I used to tell my man all the time, I ain't trying to get that house, come see me. Yeah, you know what I mean? So um, but like my family, like once my family like start getting older and the years starting to set up that shit to back yeah, all them hours. I ain't gonna lie, my mom, my grandma used to come see me every week and all that, like yo, we come up there once once a month. No, uh, you know what I mean? So um, so it depended on the situation. Like, like if I knew I was like burning you out, then you've been around for a couple years and all that kind of stuff, like all right. I will I will less likely ask you to come see me because I know I got you on the phone. But if I ain't seen you for a couple years, I ain't talked to you for yeah, come on up, come get some energy.

SPEAKER_10 1:47:08

For this maturity that you had, did you go into jail with it or you had acquired it during the course of doing your time?

SPEAKER_09 1:47:13

I'm not gonna lie, black, I kind of was like this, bro.

SPEAKER_10 1:47:16

Right, right.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:17

I I wasn't always, I didn't have all because you see how you said you was considerate.

SPEAKER_10 1:47:21

Uh most people uh ride the wheels to it to somebody die. No, black. No consideration that could be me, me, me, me. I was raised over like my pop, bro. Right, and a man, a man gotta really have a man to raise a boy. I'm trying to tell you not to say moms, because moms, y'all out there raising hell of a men these days.

SPEAKER_09 1:47:38

And a black, I'm not just it's not just me. My brothers is like that too. My brothers move with respect, like you know what I mean? Like, that's how we just was raised, right?

SPEAKER_10 1:47:45

And it comes and it comes from you, I think you have to get that part from not to say that the women can't implement that, but it's just something about a man raising a man, man. Thousand percent need a man.

SPEAKER_08 1:47:56

Speak about that, and then you got a four-year-old son, you got a boy, right?

SPEAKER_10 1:47:59

Yes, yeah, yeah. He smiled, you say I used to smile. How is that?

SPEAKER_08 1:48:03

How is that, man? Like, what's the like like like what do you see in your son that make you ever did like make you want to just like love him, love him even more? Or or or go go out here and and and and make things happen for him. I know you look at him and be like, I hope he ain't you ain't letting you make the mistake you made.

SPEAKER_09 1:48:18

We can't be on this topic too long because I did good. But listen, bro. Wow, he said the littlest things to me, bro. Yeah, it's just sometimes I'll be having to like run up the steps. He don't even know I ran upstairs and cried.

SPEAKER_10 1:48:29

Yeah, dang. Yeah, that's major, bro. That's see, that's real though. That's raw, right there. That's raw right there, bro. Like that shit touched me in a tool, and I gotta get more better with my son. I got a five-year-old, yeah. But you know, deuce, I'm not even gonna put that out there, but I could be doing a lot better with it. Yeah, but when I do see him or I get me and her, my his mother might get to argue and she might say, and I know I look because she'll say something that I'll be thinking about later on, like, damn man. Yeah, it's not a but he didn't ask to be here, man. In his mind, right? It's something different, bro. Yeah, I ain't knowing the pain that we've been through, you'll do anything in life just for him not to walk around everyone.

SPEAKER_09 1:49:04

Right now, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:05

Yeah, yeah, I got a one-month-old now, he just turned one month. Oh, and I'm like, well, I got a 20-year-old son too, as well. But I remember having my 20-year-old son with me every day. Yeah, and now he's around doing his own thing. But now I got another, you know, uh a one-month-old son.

SPEAKER_09 1:49:19

I'm glad congratulations, bro.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:21

I appreciate that. And then uh I be I tell him all the time, I said, I can't wait till he's able to, you know, three, four, five months, I'm able to have him. He can be with me, I'll have him with me every day as much as I can, and whenever I can, because I I just look at him every day and I just I just want the best for him, so I understand what you're saying, man. You know, now let's get to it. Let's this, man. You know, like, you know, four four year old son, man, you know, because we never know, man. You know, God forbid anything happens to us, man, in in life. But if this was the last interview that you would do, or last thing that you would say, what kind of message would you leave or say to your son? Something that he can watch right now, uh, you know, and say in like this is my father, what message would you give?

SPEAKER_09 1:50:03

And that's nice. I don't know why you ever asked me that before. So I don't want to go I wanna word this right. Tray train, what I'm gonna say to you, this is my last ending. What's his name? Trade track. So I'm trade track. My my dad's name is Donald Singh, right? I'm Junior.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 1:50:24

You feel me? Yeah. Donald had to stop somewhere. If I would tell him, man, to like Trey, man, like your dad, bro, like everything that your dad has done in his past has led me to do what I'm doing now right now for you. So you can have a better future than I ever had.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:55

I mean that shit, you know, uh people we like I talk about my dad all the time. And my father for me was real militant with us. He'd tell you, he knew my dad. He we still know my dad. My dad was real militant with us when we was kids, like and I didn't understand when I was a kid about all the things that he used to put me through. Uh as far as you know, making sure I was doing the right things, you know, uh, you know, certain kind of discipline that he had. But a lot of the rules and and and things that things that he implemented in me when I was young, I see myself doing them now that I'm older. But when I was young, I just wanted to get away from it. But it's like now, it took me a lot of a lot of discipline. You know, the way I talk, the way I move a lot of times. And I got that from my father, man. You know, and I and I talk to him now all the time. And I was going through something recently, and for like two weeks straight, man, at night, I called my dad maybe like 10, 11 o'clock at night. And he on the phone with me all the way until I fall asleep every night. And I really appreciate him because he had to do that, none of this stuff for me. But he was there for me when I was in like one of my low moments. And I love my dad, man. And then sometimes as men, we don't really understand how important we are to the kids. Kids don't they don't need no money all the time. They don't need you to be, they just need you just to be dad and be around. We sometimes I sometimes put things or make excuses of why we can't be available a lot of times. That's why I say when I get my son, my son able to be around, I'm gonna keep with me every day because I understand the importance of having a son, uh having a father. And like you say, I hear it and I see it in your face, man. You got me up here ready to cry. Just thinking about it because I got, I got, I love my sons, man, and you know, and you just never know where you're gonna be with them and how your life your lives are gonna be, but you just gotta try to get it, put your best foot forward and get your best effort to give them the things that we didn't have, or so they can take it to the next level. For me. You know what I'm saying? So we up here, man. We're about to turn this joint to the uh uh the the the uh tell us from the the cries, man. We're about to be up here everywhere about need napkins in a minute and white white we weigh these tears. But I thank y'all for tuning in, man. Ain't Don anything else you want to say, man before we get up to the game.

SPEAKER_10 1:53:08

If you got a grim or whatever, whatever. A lot of people won't want to tap into you now. They they on here loving you, man. I love this one.

SPEAKER_09 1:53:15

My Instagram is uh underscore November 7th, man. And it's November 7th because uh, you know, I went away at no November 7th, 2000. I came home November 7th, 2020, man. And you know, it's up from here. Soffey, you supposed to say something about my son earlier, bro. Let me get this out of the way. Yeah, man, I feel you, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:53:40

Like, I got a call coming there, take that. Tell us from the gels who he's speaking with. Tell us from the gels. Yeah, y'all. Uh once again, man. Hey, hey, dime, man. Appreciate you, bro, for coming up here. Yeah, for sure. You know, uh this was dope. This was a hell of an interview for us, man. You know, to sit down here and talk to you. I didn't even notice you I was talking to on the phone. I'm not, I remember I was in you caught when I um he called me and you could I was on the phone. I was actually holding my son. He told me too. So I'm like, I'm in there, I'm in there chilling with him, but try to give my wife time on the on the weekend and to relax and she be having mixed all the week. But um, you was telling me to come through. I'm like, Yeah, I'm gonna try to make it down there. But you was just so hospitable speaking to you on the phone. I didn't even know this was you until just a few moments ago. But I ain't gonna lie, on the phone talking to him, I felt like I knew him for 10 years. He's like, Come on down, man, got some food, man. I just want you to come on down, have a good time, bro. Yeah, we out here, everybody, the family out here.

SPEAKER_09 1:54:39

How I'm like, Dang, that's how I like to live, bro. I'm like, I'm gonna try to make it. I bet Lonnie Dawson, me and Lonnie Dawson. Shout out to Lonnie Dawson, man. Oh man, I ain't even say this, bro. We sitting up here talking. Me and my brother, man, we got the best barbecue in the city, man. Yeah, where's that? Tell them about it. Man, 52nd in parkside, man. Do the bros barbecue, man. Like and what day is you out there? So we we're gonna be out there Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Yep, we got everything. Fresh food, man. 50 seconds in Park Side. Yes.

SPEAKER_08 1:55:07

Yep. Yeah, you're gonna come to the mic, might want to come there and shoot a little video promo video for you, man. Oh man, do that for you, man. Yeah, man. I appreciate that. Yep. 50 seconds at Park Side. He said Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

SPEAKER_09 1:55:17

Yep.

SPEAKER_08 1:55:18

What time?

SPEAKER_09 1:55:18

Um, so we usually be out there like around like 12:30, 1 o'clock.

SPEAKER_08 1:55:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 1:55:22

Yep.

SPEAKER_08 1:55:23

12:30, 1 o'clock, uh, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Come out there, get the best barbecue. 52nd at Parkside. You go down there, say what's up to Don and the family out there serving a barbecue. What it was I serve it again? What is it?

SPEAKER_09 1:55:36

Man, we got ribeye steaks, we got kebabs, we be having tuna mac salad, hamburgers, sausage, hot dogs. Um, what I'm missing, bro?

SPEAKER_10 1:55:47

Man, it seemed like nothing.

SPEAKER_09 1:55:49

No, I'm telling you, black. Wait till you, yeah, bro. You got that's why I wanted you to get some of that food we was out there. Yeah, yeah, we got we got we're gonna figure it out.

SPEAKER_08 1:55:56

Come check it out, man. You know, come out there and do something for sure. But listen, y'all, I want to thank y'all for tuning in to tell us from the jails, man. Make sure y'all hit that like button before y'all get up out of here. Also, once again, July 18th, live event. Don't gonna be there. The whole gang gonna be there. We're gonna have Where's that again? 34th and what? Walnut 35th, 35th and Walnut at the uh World Live Cafe.

SPEAKER_09 1:56:19

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:56:24

So don't think you're coming down there getting raunchy and fighting your girl or your girl. They will lock your ass up, and you will be on the next episode of Tubs from the Jebs talking about how you was fighting that event. So leave that shit at home. We trying to go down here and talk about it and have a good affair, man. That's just it. We ain't trying to do nothing, that's what we're gonna do. That's just it.

SPEAKER_08 1:56:44

Yo, uh, shout out to my man Turkey Bands. Hey, uh, listen, man. I got you, bro. And shout out to uh 215 Nitro. Um, everybody in the chat.

SPEAKER_10 1:56:53

215 said they got brisket. No, no, no. We ain't get no, we ain't getting we don't got brisket.

SPEAKER_09 1:57:00

They got everything else though. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:57:02

Everything else, you listen, whatever you can imagine, they got the best steak in the on the grill in the city, man.

SPEAKER_09 1:57:07

Flat out.

SPEAKER_08 1:57:08

Yeah, we're gonna come down there and check it out for sure. But I want to thank everybody who's been tuning in. Hey, dime, man. I thank you, man. I appreciate you, man. Uh, for coming up here and and sharing your story with people out here, man. And um, you know, we're gonna support you a thousand percent, whatever you got going on. Oh, got a call. Last call. Tell us from the jail.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:28

So we're speaking with oh man, this is your boy, Du Malik.

SPEAKER_08 1:57:35

Why can't I salah? Where are you calling from, bro? What's going on?

SPEAKER_07 1:57:43

Hey yo, look, right on my axe. Man, that's a big fight card, y'all. The what's the whole fight card?

SPEAKER_03 1:57:56

Sponsor the fight card sponsoring who the whole fighters be together and all that.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:04

Oh, having our own fight. Yeah, we got we we listen. We were we're gonna release a uh a video uh of uh of uh of uh young and uh brahim Ibrahim was in a boxing match with one of the one of the uh the uh the guys editors in here, you know. Uh we're gonna release that. They recorded it. They recorded it, so we're gonna see him. We was in the gym in the ring with gloves on. Yeah, it was up there. Uh we're uh in uh in uh Baltimore with uh coach Calvin Ford up in his gym, and they it then got a little testing, they got in the ring out in there, but yeah, it's something I probably want to do eventually, man. You know, I love boxing for sure.

SPEAKER_07 1:58:39

Yeah, man, yeah, man. Great interview today, too, y'all.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:42

Number one for the books, Jordan.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:44

I appreciate that. Yeah, appreciate you, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:49

No doubt, man. But go ahead, call later, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:55

Yeah, um, we don't have a caterer yet, so you know, uh they uh they have food there, I believe. So I don't think they allow you to carry your food there. But however, we're gonna be in the building, man. We're gonna make it epic, man. We just have some some some some good laughter, some good, some good everything, man, as far as you know, uh uh you know having a celebration because this is our first uh live event. We expect everybody in this chat to be there. If you can't make it, man, you just uh watch it live. But we're gonna be here uh at our arming rate. Uh, we're gonna have the merch there, you're gonna have everything there. You're gonna be it's gonna be a you know hell of an event. So anything y'all wanna say before we get up out of here?

SPEAKER_09 1:59:29

Oh man, I appreciate y'all, man. This was dope, man. Appreciate you for sure. Hey y'all, you got anything you want to say?

SPEAKER_10 1:59:35

You know what I say, man. It takes two to three seconds, man, to think about something extra. Either it could that two to three seconds is gonna ruin your life or save your life. Anything that you're thinking on, whether it's good, bad, anything that you think, give it two to three more seconds thought. Because it may make you think yourself out of the way of some trick shit. Or it may put you where you need to be. But two to three seconds extra thought on a situation can turn that whole situation, man. Think, man. Think, be patient and think.

SPEAKER_08 2:00:02

For sure, for sure. I want to thank y'all for tuning in. You know, thank everybody who for being a part of the movement. Y'all can follow us on all platforms. We on Apple Podcasts, Spotify. Y'all can listen to this episode today, uh, tomorrow on Apple Podcasts, Spotify. Also, you can rewatch it here on YouTube. Don't forget to follow us on Instagram, TikTok, and all platforms, kick, twitch. We're on all these platforms.