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SPEAKER_06 11:03

Where are you from, Ricky? For those who don't know, 7th Street, South Philly. Okay, 7th Street. I know a few guys down 7th Street and some good, some good men from down there. Um, so you know, we know this podcast, what we do in this podcast, we speak about real life stories, real life events, uh, talk about you know things that may have led you to prison. Uh, you can say what you want to say, you can leave out what you want to leave out. Ultimately, our goal is to deter individuals from going to prison. We're not up here at no point. Are we trying to glorify it and make it work where as though prison is a place a place of comfort, a place to be, a place to spend your life? Uh, do you agree, Young? Is that what you do you agree to that statement?

SPEAKER_04 11:40

Yes, very much so.

SPEAKER_06 11:41

Okay, so uh are you from you from 7th Street, South Philly? Um so just give us the background, you know, just coming up in South Philly, you know, as a young kid, you know, what's going on at that time for you when you was young, coming. Um uh coming up now. Well you I'm actually before we start, were you always were you born and raised in South Philly, or you just came there from somewhere else?

SPEAKER_01 12:00

Born, breathed in born and not sworn in all the way 7th Street, all the way up the out.

SPEAKER_06 12:04

Okay, and how was it coming up from sit down down South Philly in an area back when you was a kid, you know?

SPEAKER_01 12:09

Well, Seventh Street was always like known as one of those neighborhoods that was chasing money, it was always onto a dollar. So you had the people that we looked up to for all the wrong reasons. So, you know, it was always a sports place, you know. We played a lot of sports, but we always had this thing where it's though, we want to get to that dollar. So it was like a lot of dice games, big dice game, one of the biggest dice games in the city. Okay, that's how I got really attracted to the lifestyle that caused me to take my fall is watching the dice games and watching the corners, watching the cars, the glamour, the glitz that we thought was it back then, you know what I mean? And that's what pretty much what it was. We had a lot of athletes come out of there, championship fighters, terrible Tim Witherspoon. So we got to see those belts, Buster Drayton, Earl to Pearl Hardgrove. You know, we had some we had a lot of basketball and celebrities to come to the Eagle players to come through. So it was a nice place to live. It was a real family-oriented, but like I said, the vision was always, you know, I mean, deeper than the mission. It was like the vision was always for someone to be able to be the next it guy, but it never devolved like some of the things that I pushed the narrative up now.

SPEAKER_06 13:12

Okay. Now, uh, like you, uh like uh um Mr. Jackson uh Young, he served uh federal time. Um what what made you indulge well indulge into crime and what was your first you know, you know, time being arrested, or or or what was you what was something that attracted you to the streets?

SPEAKER_01 13:33

Well, my first what attracted me to the streets, to be honest, was like the streets with themselves. I was I I can't say I was one of those kids, like trouble kid that had to do what he had to do to get to where he had to get to. It was the self-decision that I decided to make that something that I wanted to do because I felt like I wanted to be independent and I wanted to get more than I was given. So my first case, I think I was about 15. You know, I was I was still playing ball, you know, I was playing high school basketball, doing everything that I was supposed to do, but still doing the things I wasn't supposed to do. So I decided that, you know, I think caps had came out back then, the crack ever. Caps came out, and it was an and I was always a hustle. Like I said, I used to run a store for the dice games and stuff like that. So the caps came out, I had a little bit of money. I wanted to be able to, you know, make a little bit more money. So we bought, I think my first thing was I invested in some two for ones, you know, pay $50, get $100 worth, you know what I mean? And I think I flipped it real quick, and it was like uh an adrenaline rush, you know what I mean? So that you know, the buying them two for ones turned to buying the squirrel, which was a quarter back then, quarter turned to a half, half turned to an hour, turned to a quarter pound, and then it went on from there. Okay, and it was just like adrenaline rush. Like I said, drug then was like something that you really like, it's more addictive than the actual drug because the rush of being able to make money getting the things that I wanted to get without having to ask anybody was a big rush for me, you know. So I it seemed like my whole neighborhood and the garage that I grew up, we all did it at the same time. You know, sometimes you had the it thing to do, like getting PlayStation and stuff, people doing now. At that point in time, it was like, yo, that's the thing to do. Like everybody was into it.

SPEAKER_06 15:11

I always ask him, and we should have a debate, you know. We kind of talk about it now. Um who's worse? I mean, is it the drug user or the or the drug dealer? You can't really for me. I don't know. I asked y'all, y'all can answer this question. For me, I believe the drug dealer is actually worse than the actual drug user.

SPEAKER_04 15:30

And I tell you how you say that.

SPEAKER_06 15:31

And I tell you why. Because the drug dealer, the person who is pumping the drug into the community, is not only affecting himself but affecting others' households. He's putting he's putting the drugs into multiple households and causing multiple addicts and multiple people to use use drugs. So that's why I'm gonna let it back.

SPEAKER_04 15:49

You make it sound so damn to the dude that's selling it. He's not putting it in a nobody's house, he has it, people know he has it, and they coming to acquire it. Um from my thinking, anyway, me being locked up over it. He's you know, he's thoughtful, him out there selling the whatever, but he's not forcing a gun in nobody's mouth to come get this. Okay, he's not doing none of that. They're coming to a location wherever he had either calling him or going to a location. Yo, you got this, this is what I use. Yeah, I still happen to have this, and you go.

SPEAKER_06 16:17

Both of them is it's both of them is gonna be but the you the the person who uses it only affects themselves.

SPEAKER_04 16:23

No, no, they don't like they go back and give it to their friends and steal everybody else.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

Well, I think it's a moral dilemma in that, right? I agree to disagree and I balance it out with what handle both of y'all have to say, right? Right. Here's how it goes, right? Let's say I'm a drug, I'm a drug user, right? Right? You said I'm the addict, but I also affect Junior that decided to sell drugs because the only way he got to sell drugs is that's the only way he's gonna eat. Because me using the drugs, using up all the money and to buy the drugs, now he can't eat, so he starts selling drugs just so he can eat. So the drug user kind of triggered the drug dealer. You know, I mean, young boy, he came out pure. You see what I'm saying? He came out wanting to do when he was in first grade. I'm sure he didn't raise his hand and say, What you want to do? I want to be a motherfucking gangster. I want to be a drug dealer. Well, he had a and he had something that he wanted to be, but his situation at home caused him to be something different. Like I said, that wasn't my thing, but most of my friends that did indulge and did become drug dealers and did got involved in the game, that was their situation. That situation was it was the survival of the fittest, so they had to do what they had to do because their family was caught up on drugs. The crack error back then was heavy. So the the drug, the drug users was really like like I said, I might have been waiting on a package for Christmas if you took it off my steps. You know, I mean that might have ruined that kid Christmas, the people that did celebrate. And like I said, if you was waiting on me to put food on your table, but you you you know, back then you give your car to the to the to the dealer, you know, they had the little DPA cards back there and hold my card so I get paid. You know, when I used to do that, I'm gonna be honest. Like when I was on the when I was out there and they give me make card and like hold my car because I gotta get my young boy some sneaks, you know what I mean? When I get my check, I didn't let them spend that money.

SPEAKER_04 18:04

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 18:04

I'd be like, no, he's getting his sneaks. You know what I mean? I'm taking young, we're gonna take young boy get his sneaks, and that's that, that's that. But so it kind of balanced out. I see what you saying. We do poison the neighborhood by selling the drugs, but you got some drug dealers that give back as much as they take, but I don't think they can give as much back as they take because this all plays effect with everybody mental, the the the atmosphere, the avian, all this place, and this is one of the things that attracted me. The drug dealer more attractive me than the drug user.

SPEAKER_06 18:33

Exactly. But what I'm saying to you, like how I look at it is I know we're looking at like the person that's in the hood or something. I'm looking at like the drug dealers, like the people that's actually pumping it into the communities because the person who's the drug dealer who's pumping it into the community, like I said, he's affecting so many people. And then the young guys, African-Americans, or whoever you are, we are gravitating towards selling drug because it's the only sign of success that we see. You know, some people become users, some people become dealers. It's just a part of the game. But I just feel like I feel like a person who's who's abusing the drug normally just harms themselves more so, or you know, really just their their household, but the drug dealer normally he's selling a variety. Because you think about it, if if you back up, if we back up like a like a brick of coat, yeah, we're not just selling it to one person, no, we're selling it to you know a variety of people who's coming to get get the drug that wants to use it under their own guise, yeah. But I'm saying, but you but I'm saying not getting forced in anything, that's why a drug dealer becomes out of pocket by you having your crib. Y'all smoke this, but by you by by us having it.

SPEAKER_04 19:33

What I'm saying, by if you don't do it, the next man gonna do it.

SPEAKER_06 19:36

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. So that's what I'm saying. Liquor stores too, the people that's not saying these liquor stores who's because we already know that that that cigarettes and alcohol is the number one killer, it kills more people than anything. Crack uh that's um uh alcohol and and and cigarettes kill more people than crack does.

SPEAKER_01 19:52

Yeah, because it causes alcohol, you can't die from crack, you can't OD from crack, you can OD from alcohol.

SPEAKER_06 19:57

You can die from alcohol, and alcohol just deteriorates the body, just it just deteriors the inside of the human body, causes cancer, even cigarettes with the throat.

SPEAKER_04 20:06

It causes cancer throat, and so I don't still think no goddamn alcohol works than crack. I don't care what how many things you're talking about to deteriorate the chest, the ass, or whatever you want to say. But it ain't deteriorating like that goddamn hard, that crunchy that crack.

SPEAKER_06 20:23

You up here tripping the deck. I'm talking about the the effect.

SPEAKER_04 20:26

Look at the look at the numbers, look at the effect of alcohol on because it's so legal and it's so used at a wide range, which though people still hide and using crack because it ain't legal. If it was legal, imagine how that would be wiping out neighborhoods and uh neighborhoods, even if it's you imagine going to the poppy store, give me a dime of that crunchy right there. No, this crunchy, this joint be really out of hand.

SPEAKER_06 20:47

Yeah, I'm saying, but what I'm saying is I would you would you agree? I agree to a point, but people still are able to get crack. You know what I'm saying? So they ain't gotta go to the poppy stores and get it. They still can get it on the street. But the effects of liquor, we all know how many people die from cancer from drinking. From drinking, die from cancer from drinking. I don't know. Cancer from drinking, yeah, it comes from cirrhosis of the liver. We just had uh a guy we know just pass away from cirrhosis of the liver. It affects people in so many ways that liquor is just is is crazy. You know, if you look at what it does to the body, it's just you know, and all drugs is bad, man. But what we're saying is the level, if if it I'll say well, liquor, if people start start to abuse it, if you're abusing it, it just you it could become a really, really bad addiction.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

Yeah, you actually need to wake up, you know. I mean, wake and bake with liquor, drugs, everything. So all over the stuff. It gets goofy. Yeah, definitely get goofy.

SPEAKER_06 21:41

Um, but so let's go. I don't get too far over the topic, but now for us looking at the um talking about you and things that you and and dure coming up. Um what was your first uh jail sentence and what happened to uh for you to become arrested?

SPEAKER_01 21:56

Well, my first jail sentence is a juvenile, my first jail sentence. Was a juvenile bit. We wanna start as juvenile. Yeah, it's fine. Wherever?

SPEAKER_06 22:03

We can start wherever. So juvenile.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

I went I started as a juvenile. My first case was a juvenile. Well, my first time I got booked, I came home. I got booked for I got booked for a package. I was out there hustling. They my my uncle came and got me, beat this, beat me down all the way home. You know what I mean? I got got back out, did it again. So my second case was that I wound up going to St. Gabe's for was the young boys on the corner was actually having a beef with my little cousin and them. And I really wanted that corner anyway, so I was looking for a reason to beef with them. And we all in the same neighborhood though. So I wound up catching a shooting on that corner. So this is how one thing led to another. The drug led to the violence as well. You know what I mean? Exactly. So I caught a shooting on that corner because a pop pulled up on me while I was having a conversation with his sons and actually like poured out a ginsu knife on me. Like he pulled out like a jimsu knife, and I kind of slipped and fell into one of those like gates, or you know, when they used to have a gates, the cellar gates on the ground. And he poured out my he actually grabbed my pistol and pointed at me. Just so happened I had my man with me, and he was, he came up and made him give it back. And I just, you know, cut on all of them. You know, me, him, his pop, his son, and everything. And I wind up, they wind up not come to court, I come home. I think I caught about two more cases after that. Then I got certified as an adult and caught a cop shooting, a couple robbers cop shooting. It was a drought. And that's what happens too. You be so addicted to the money that when what you need is not there, you don't have no other way or no other outlets and don't know what to do outside of selling drugs. Because it's a difference between a drug deal and a hustler. A hustler could sell water, so well, he's gonna find a way to get some money. A drug deal, a drug sell, they sell. So as long as you got them drugs, you're gonna be able to get some money. But so in my situation, at that point in stage in my life, I was more so of a drug dealer. So when they didn't have any drugs, I still was able to play with the pistols and with the guns. So I wound up catching other cases outside of that and being on a run. And when I was on a run, I wound up catching cops shooting, trying to get away. And I got certified as a dealt, sent over Holmesburg. From that time in, they sent me straight up state. I did six and a half to 15.

SPEAKER_06 24:04

Let's get back to the so you heard you mention a cop shooting. You got you shoot, you actually shoot the cop?

SPEAKER_01 24:08

No, shooting at the cop to get away from the cops.

SPEAKER_06 24:11

Oh, so what happened?

SPEAKER_01 24:12

They trapped me in, threw my head through a garage window when they caught me, beat me down, broke my air air drum, you know what I mean, took me in, and I wound up at the cop out.

SPEAKER_06 24:20

I'm saying, so how you ended up shooting, I'm saying how you ended up shooting at the copy?

SPEAKER_01 24:23

I ran into a dead end. Oh, it was a car chase. Okay. So I made a wrong turn down, and right now there's actually uh skinny Joey's. Oh, okay. I turned in that little block right there with Skinny Joey's, and it was a dead end block. And I wasn't trying to go to jail. See, I don't do with this lot, it's a lot of it, and I'm not getting I'm not promoting it, but a lot of people get caught with it. You know what I mean? They say, I'd rather get caught with it without it. I ain't gonna get caught with shit. I didn't want to get caught with nothing. I wanted to get away. My job was cops and robbers. So when they poured over, I did what I had to do in that situation to get away for a brief moment, but then they wound up tracking me down anyway because I went into a garage and they came in behind me and they caught me.

SPEAKER_06 24:58

And young, you ever go to St. Gates? Was you ever there? Yeah. How long was you there for? Yeah, probably like eight, nine months. Now that's juvenile, though. Yeah, it's juvenile. Is that like I don't I know like the juvenile facility they be having uh with uh ones that's actually worse than others? St. Gay's more like a school though. I guess it's not St. Games.

SPEAKER_04 25:16

You still get beat up and knocked out out there. Yeah, it's yeah, but you know, yeah, like Cornwall Heights and all that is the big boy joints.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

Well, that's what I was on. I was St. Gay CBDS.

SPEAKER_04 25:25

Yeah, see me too.

SPEAKER_01 25:26

St. Gang C BDS is like the security version in the basement wearing rain shirts all day, so they gotta identify you.

SPEAKER_04 25:32

That's why I was Saint Game CBDS. Uh uh beta, some shit like that. Yeah, St. Gay CBDS. Wow. What year was what year you was there, yeah? I don't remember the years back when juvenile, man, like 93, 92, or something like that. Anywhere between 91 and 96, all juvenile era. Anything after that, you become a grown man, 98. Well, yeah, what year you was there?

SPEAKER_01 25:49

I was there in like 91. I wanna, I was over the bird by 95. 94, I was over the bird. 95, I was down great as four.

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SPEAKER_04 26:13

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SPEAKER_06 26:24

I'll double check to make sure. I'll let y'all know. Um I'll let you know. I'll double check while we uh here on the live. All right, so you get you get that shooting, um, and up, you know, shooting at the cop, and you said they beat you down, damage your eardrum, um, all that different stuff. And you was a juvenile still at this time?

SPEAKER_01 26:43

Juvenile.

SPEAKER_06 26:44

How old were you?

SPEAKER_01 26:45

I was 17.

SPEAKER_06 26:46

Did they certify you as an adult? Immediately. Wow. Okay, so this case, and I know the cops coming to court with this United. There's no way the whole force coming to court.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

Yeah. Everybody. Everybody's come literally everybody coming to court. They took the crazy part is when they booked me, they took that before I made it to the station, I had to go to the hospital. Because they crashed, nobody got hit, but they crashed, and they claimed that it was all messed up. So when they went in once after I went to the hospital, they took me out, and then when they was taking me to the hospital, taking me to my actually to the paddy wagon, they gave me two options. They said, What you want us to break first, your leg or your arm? You know, I mean, that's how serious they was about playing with these police. You know, luckily it was just my airdrome. I kept screaming, you know, I'm a juvenile, you what y'all doing? I'm a kid, I'm a kid, I'm a kid. They ain't care nothing about that. But the twist of that topic was that like the story that's untold with that was that when you talk about drugs, right? Yeah, I'm gonna show you how all this tie in, right? All my life when I was in when I was growing up, the one of the reasons why, you know, I was doing a lot of things that I want that I was doing because I thought that now I had great, like I said, I got a great upbringing at home. You know what I mean? I live with my grandmom and grandfather for two reasons. One, my mom smoking coke. Two, my dad books upstate. He's upgraded as four. So I'm living, I grew up with my grandmom and grandfather. So my dad comes home. He comes home from jail, and now at this point, he he comes home, he got himself together. I'm happy, dad home, this, that, and the third. You know, and when he first came home, he actually picked me up when the dice came. He snuck home. You know what I mean? I had just got banned done banging on him on the phone, maybe about two weeks before that. You know what I mean? Thinking he's still he ain't come home no time soon. He came home on a furlough and run down on me. But fast forward, he came home. This uh he started getting high again when he came home.

SPEAKER_06 28:31

Well, what was the jug of choice? Cracked?

SPEAKER_01 28:33

No, he was a haron guy. He was a haron guy now. Thank you know what I mean. Now he's a home and remodeling business owner. My mom's doing great, you know, everything going on. Doing my shallow. You know what I mean? And so at this point, when he found out I was in the streets originally with the same mind, he checking me. He takes me in the house, pat me down, make sure I ain't got nothing about what I'm doing in these streets. But once he got addicted again, he started coming to me, other than for you know, saying, yo, you want to hold the car? You give me a couple hours, you know what I mean? Then it was, I'm going through something. I know you got a hammer, I need it. I give him, I'm giving him a hammer.

SPEAKER_06 29:09

But your dad asked you for a gun?

SPEAKER_01 29:10

My dad asked me for a gun. So I'm giving my dad guns, he's selling them, flipping them, do whatever he was, he what he was doing with the guns. Come to find out, like, I'm like, yo, where my guns? You know what I mean? He telling me, well, boy down here got it, he stole it. I'm running down on different situations, getting my guns back, but not even getting my guns back, just doing what I was doing because I thought they had my guns. But no, no, no, my dad is so caught up in the drugs that he's actually selling these dudes my guns.

SPEAKER_06 29:36

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

So now he's running around. This is how I got caught up in these, in the in the in the going on route. Because I'm telling him at this point, it's a drought. You know what I mean? I'm stuck, it's a drought, it's 94, 93 drought, around that drought time. Anybody that was around, you know, you know. And he like, listen, I'm gonna put you on some bread. You know, he said, I'm gonna put you on some bread, but you can't go. He had enough in him to tell me that I couldn't go, but he'll just, you know, I mean, just let him do the joint, he'll break me down. So at this time, he running around hosting, you know, somebody, you know, I'm I'm so stupid, he tells me, yo, somebody hit the lottery for X amount, this is the spot they're gonna pick up the money at, whatever. He hit lottery joints. So he runs around hitting lottery joints, right? So we go on route now. We we I go with him on route now. So it's my dad. Wow, this is how generational curse affects all our young people. You see what I'm saying? If you don't change the game, the game gonna change you. You know what I mean? So at the end of the day, he's got me on route. So now this time he tells me, I'm feeling like every time you go on the he go on a sting, I'm feeling like he's burning me. I'm like, no, my dad. He you know what I mean? Ain't no way you only got a little bit of money out of there. You you stash it on me. Yeah, so at this point, I'm like, no, we're gonna go around here. This is when I'm I'm gonna handle it. Like, because I'm tired of you coming out, giving me what you want me to have. So during this time in this high-speed chase, I'm telling you, when I get in the cops shooting, this is who I'm with.

SPEAKER_05 30:59

Your dad.

SPEAKER_01 31:00

My dad.

SPEAKER_05 31:01

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

This is drugs, this is the game, and this is how the cycle it becomes repetitive, right? So now I'm with my dad, boom, I get booked. Now my dad just came home. So I'm like, I can't let my dad go back to prison. They like, who was in the car? Because he gets away. I bang it out, and he backs out and get away.

SPEAKER_06 31:21

Oh, what you mean? He when he hopped out, he hopped out and ran. No, he in the car, and get away.

SPEAKER_01 31:25

He backs up and get away. I get some and give him some. I got him his space. I gave him his breathing room. You know what I mean? For him to be able to maneuver. And then I took feet. You know what I mean? So he gets away clean, boom, boom. They don't got nothing, boom. Who is it? I hold it down. I take the bit. I can't charge you, you know, this, that, and the third. So in the process of me taking a bit, mind you, I'm over the bird. And back then, Holmesburg, you had TVs in your cell. So I'm in my cell, and I see his wife in the law office being surrounded. I'm like, damn, that's where that's where she works at. You know what I mean? I'm like, what's going on? I'm seeing people coming out, this then, the third. So I jump on the phone. I go, we had direct calls back then, too. You can just jump on the phone. I go in the phone room, I jump on the phone, nobody answering the phone. So I see people coming out. Then I get word later on when I get the newspaper that that was their building, and this is what was going on. He ran up in the building, he had just robbed another bank.

unknown 32:21

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 32:21

So my pop robbed the bank, ran up inside of his wife's office, the lawyer office. He worked for a lawyer, right? He goes in there, this is some crazy shit. He goes in there, go in the lawyer office, changes clothes because he got the dye stuff on him, puts on one of the lawyer suits, you know, they keep extra suit in there. Yeah, he walks out of there, you know what I mean? Supposedly put all the money, you know, the women have their pads and stuff inside. He put the money in the pad joints and all that. You putting all the stash and the bread, and he wrote, he rolls out.

SPEAKER_04 32:50

And get away.

SPEAKER_01 32:50

He gets away. He comes out with his cane and uh he gets away. Kaiser self say, yeah, he's so what you say, you know, man. But at the end of the day, but guess who was with him that also got away? My little brother.

SPEAKER_04 33:05

Your brother, he's still taking the book, the sons on route.

SPEAKER_01 33:08

Still got the sons on route.

SPEAKER_04 33:09

Got one in jail.

SPEAKER_01 33:11

One in jail, and the one that we used the one that we out of the quest, like three three weeks ago before I get booked. We got him, so you gotta keep him out of the way.

SPEAKER_05 33:18

I gotta beat your dad, man. I gotta beat you. I gotta be here, man. I just shot at a picture where he looked like yeah, like he got now.

SPEAKER_01 33:26

He got my he got my slow brother, my little brother get away. Okay, bam. So they wind up running down on him or whatever. He get booked. He get booked. I'm still booked at the time. Yeah. You know, so when he get booked, I'm like, you know, like they like they come to me like, listen, we know that was your pop that was with you. You know what I mean? He ain't coming home no time soon. I'm like, that wasn't my pop. That's not where I stole my pop car. That wasn't my pop. You know what I mean? So I take the case, and me, to be honest with a man today, how I stand on these ten toes, no way I'm letting my son go to jail. And I know I just got booked for all the with with all the stuff that just happened. I know I'm going to jail for this bank robbery. At this point, yo, my son ain't had nothing to let him go. That didn't happen. You see what I'm saying? That didn't happen. He got his wife off, but he didn't get me off.

SPEAKER_02 34:15

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

My little brother kept, he didn't get, he didn't get telling my brother. So we, you know what I mean? But he got his wife off, he didn't get me off, right? So it's like, okay, fast forward, I go up, he go up.

SPEAKER_02 34:27

You're both up, dude.

SPEAKER_01 34:28

No, I'm up, I'm up now. Yeah, he goes up, I go up now, he go to the feds. I'm in the state. I think I come home and I come home this time, then I catch another joint. So by the time I catch a joint. Was it a robbery? No, no, I would I that wasn't my thing. I was I was a I even played with the guns, I was a drug dealer. It was one and two, right? You know what I mean? They but they coincide. But I come home chasing the doll, try to get some more money, get booked again. So when I f when I come finally come through, you know, he meets me in the receiver room. This is the this ain't the what place you want a family reunion to be. I go there, he meet me in the receiver room. You know, I'm gonna get you pulled on my block. No, I'm cool. You know, I don't want to go on your block or whatever, you know what I mean? I'm good. You know what I mean? That's the old folks block. Put me back on C block, you know what I mean? Well, because at this time, C block family. I done came through these reviving doors so much. That's like I'm going over there with my folks. You know, at this, because I always had the my mindset was always back then is I never fake the phone. Like everybody knew when it's time for me to go, I'm gonna go out and get some money. You know what I mean? I time came with the money, but that was my thing. I'm going out here and check the styles.

SPEAKER_04 35:30

Which I was upstate or over CFCF? Upstate.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

I never really did a lot of county beside the bird because I always had a state number. So you know when you got a state, you're going right back up. You're gonna rumble your case from upstate, you got to go back to the back.

SPEAKER_04 35:42

Everything you're going right back up as soon as you come in there, yeah, it's up.

SPEAKER_01 35:46

It's up. You're going right back up. And it was like there was a thing. I'm going back upstate. So I catch cases and go right back upstate. You know what I mean? I might rumble. I can't even, I can't even buy myself out because you got the state detainer. Once you got that dipsy on you, you don't care how much bread you got, you can't get you ain't not going home. You know what I mean? So that's what it was. It was like that just goes to show when you said the drug deal was worse than the drug dealer or the drug user. I was a drug dealer, he was a drug user. Who was worse in that situation?

SPEAKER_05 36:16

I would say, I would say your dad was worse.

SPEAKER_04 36:23

Not only is he breaking law himself, right? He's he grew up with his kids. He's grooming his kids to be better criminals than him.

SPEAKER_01 36:30

And he wouldn't have done that with a sober mind.

SPEAKER_06 36:33

Right, right. Shout out to Lil uh Lil, my God, Lil just text me. Uh he's uh you mentioned he said um what's worse for somebody to steal your guns from you, or if you go to sell somebody a gun and they take it. Oh yeah, I guess you're saying that like it's mighty saying it's mighty steal a gun from you, like you got some guns somewhere and they steal them, or if you go to sell a gun and somebody take it from you uh right then there. But somebody taking it from you when you sell it. I think I see your young fact yo, you did something like that.

SPEAKER_04 37:04

Yeah, somebody taking it back in somebody's gun and he's giving it to you to sell it and you take it. That's worse than stealing my gun.

SPEAKER_06 37:12

You did that to uh what's called back in the day?

SPEAKER_04 37:13

Uh yeah, uh Lil Hickey Head, Lil' Hickey Head, or Hickey Head Hing back in the day. What and we don't we don't promote this or no stuff like this, but just talking about the trials and tribulations that finish the prison. And if you can see it, if you can identify earlier with the youth, the the the dumb shit that we telling you, then you can attack that and hopefully prevent them from going to jail. But back in the day, what happened in the projects? Uh he said he had a gun for sale. We went down there, we went down Mill Creek projects down there on Murder Street, you know it's real dark. I get down there, I say, Let me see the job. He's like, uh, it's right here. I look at it, he ain't got no bullets in it. I'm like, I got fired at once, like a 38 or something. No, I think it's a nine, I believe. It was something, it was something. I forgot what it was, but he gave me a bullet, I put it in there. I fired at his feet. He's like, damn, nobody fired so close. I'm like, man, get it. That's the get the fuck away from me. It's my gun. He like, you serious? I'm like, yeah, ran off the street. Like, you like that's worse than me anyway.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

Yeah, you're never supposed to get nobody no gun with no bullets, and that's like a rule of thumb. Yeah, I remember that. You get nobody no bullets.

SPEAKER_06 38:13

But the question at hand, I see him after he told me, like, damn, why, why, why, why feet do that, man? I he said he said, Why cat? I think he just would catch because he was like, Cat. It was me, cat, and somebody else.

SPEAKER_04 38:23

We was right there, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 38:24

He's like, Why you come out here and take he's gonna do that to me, man? Come on, ball, talk to him. I I go talk to him about he like, man, it's my gun now, man.

SPEAKER_04 38:31

Yeah, but that's a lot of socks, you know. Yeah, if if if you ask me, that's worse. That's way worse than getting my gun stolen. Yeah, I would rather get my gun stolen.

SPEAKER_01 38:40

I come from a uh, you know, I come from a crop of dudes that like people always respect a rob over a thief. Because a sneak thief is like a ghost. Like anybody, uh the the most weakest dude in the world in the room can sneaks and steal. Exactly. A coward, any you don't know who it is. You see what I'm saying? That's why in jail, like the whole block jump on you when you still when you still if you if you sneak thief somebody in their cell, the whole block is on you.

SPEAKER_04 39:05

White boys, black boys, Spanish boys.

SPEAKER_01 39:07

Everybody knows you know, everybody knows you're the most dangerous dude in the block. You the dangerous dude. Nobody can protect you. You said nobody nobody can be protected from you because if we don't, if nobody finds out who you are, you're gonna get everybody. Because you don't got no picks. But now, dude that's running down on dudes, he got a pick. Yeah, he ain't just gonna run down on tough. He can just take because you know you ain't going for it. But guess what? If you go to the child hall and he the only one staying back, he coming up in that joint because you ain't gonna know who did it. So I everybody hates a sneak thieves. I I'm I'm really, really hate thieves.

SPEAKER_06 39:37

Yo, uh, shout out to uh battle tested trucker uh with the uh $99 um and the 99 cent donation. He said, I salaam what they come uh walikum a salam, he said, grab my two tickets. This is to pick a couple of people in the chat to give free tickets to. Will do, man. Appreciate that. Don't forget July 18th will be the live event. We will be giving away a few tickets as well. And uh shout out to uh battle tested trucker, we appreciate that. So, but just to go back to like you said, like is like a person who just takes it from you right then in their uh non-duty or takes uh your gun from you, or whatever from you, or your commissary or your food, that person ain't nobody gonna ride against that person because that person doing it as a man, but the person who goes in your cell. No, niggas are still hopeful. You gotta back up. Well, I'm saying what they won't look at that, they'll they won't look at a person as a uh No, no, you're not the creep thief. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:29

But you gotta handle that though. Yeah, if somebody takes something from you one-on-one, you ain't come to this jail with nobody, one man, one armband. So if a dude takes something from you, that's when you to handle, yeah, and people gonna wait for you to handle that because this is the entertainment for the day.

SPEAKER_04 40:42

Exactly. You know what's name Blackman got robbed over there. But if you don't handle that, guess what? More robberies is coming up.

SPEAKER_01 40:48

It's a thousand robbers on the block. So everybody, oh, he's sweet. Okay, we we I'm I'm running down on nigga sitting in the cell.

SPEAKER_04 40:55

Damn, I ain't ate all week long, and this nigga down here sweet like that. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go see him.

SPEAKER_06 41:00

Oh, so now you it's a target on your back, like like Tyler Biggs. You got a very big target, yes.

SPEAKER_01 41:05

That's why going to prison, like you put yourself in a real tough. It's like selling drugs, right? It's it's no one without the other. There's no such thing as I don't play with guns, but I sell drugs.

SPEAKER_02 41:15

But what you want?

SPEAKER_01 41:16

It's wolves out there. You have to have a gun, you got a gun. You can you got drugs. How you gonna protect them? Because my you got people that like my job might have been to hustle and sell drugs, but this dude, like blacks, the black might be on something like I take money, I don't got time to sell no drugs. I'm gonna wait for you to get them get rid of your package, and I'm coming for that. You know what I mean? But what you gonna do?

SPEAKER_06 41:35

Yeah, like me.

SPEAKER_01 41:36

You gonna rumble the gun?

SPEAKER_06 41:37

Like mean, young mean was mean was a person, uh guy in me from our neighborhood, he was a person that would take the drug, take the the or rob somebody, take the take the drugs and the money and then give the drugs away because he can he just wasn't.

SPEAKER_01 41:48

I'm with dudes that be in dice games and like they be in dice games, like they really can't afford to lose what they losing. You see what I'm saying? So once the dice game go left, they pulling a thing out. Like, oh man, I need all that back. Everybody, and I'm talking about these. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? They taking anything.

SPEAKER_06 42:05

Now, band in prison, like you mentioned, you mentioned, so you mentioned that uh band in prison, like uh once you tag lame or people say that you're sweet, now it's people who haven't eaten in weeks, like he says my eaten in weeks, and they're like, This guy's sweet. Same thing in the streets. If you if somebody rob you and you don't do nothing back, or you don't get get get at them now, everybody is coming at you. So it's kind of similar from the jail in the streets, but I think jail is probably a little worse because it's so close. You you in close quarters with everybody, so it's like it's easy for them to have nothing better to talk about.

SPEAKER_01 42:38

It's worse than social media. Dudes ain't got nothing better to talk about. You heard black got smacked in the trail hawk. That shit gonna go on.

SPEAKER_04 42:44

That shit gonna run like a whole jail. Everybody gonna be sitting up. I'm talking about by a move, not by tomorrow morning. If you got uh our record moves by the next, if you got smacked in that rec yard, by the next time they call Tim in the move, the whole jail damn near know you were smacked.

SPEAKER_06 42:59

Let me ask you our question. Can somebody come from another block and come rob you?

SPEAKER_04 43:02

Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, it's a big camp. If we all go out direct together, you ain't allowed to be on nobody else's body. Yes, Topik, yes, yes. I know exactly what you're saying. A person, if I'm on A block, he on B block and you on C block, that's on one yard. Listen, I never let us off together.

SPEAKER_06 43:20

I can come on your unit and take and just beat me up and take my stuff.

SPEAKER_04 43:23

The police and lock us up, but yeah, I could if they see me, yeah. Okay, so you might have a homie on your block, like yo, where he at? Or he in the cell?

SPEAKER_01 43:30

Cool, cool, cool, I hurry up and run up on your block.

SPEAKER_06 43:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 43:33

I y'all had Philly motivation, I think, on here one time or something. You was doing something with that. Yeah, we did, we did. I'm gonna give you an example, right? I I everything that I did on everything that I was doing on the streets, I did in jail.

SPEAKER_02 43:43

Right.

SPEAKER_01 43:43

So back then, he was a little, he was one of my youngest. Like, he was in he was in he was in the jail, he was in greatest four. He was on D block, I was on C block. So I got the bomb in, got the packaging, right? So they had to come from C block to get it. So literally, we on a block, and I'm hitting them off with their packages so they can go rhyme, do what they do and get. Money in their pocket, give them all their packages. As soon as we on the block, sitting there two minutes into us being on the block, they raid the block. Everybody going down, take it to your cell. They got caught with everything. Like they got caught. But they they didn't get caught with everything, they got caught for being on the wrong block. Yeah, you go to Jiggle to get locked up for that. They catch you on the block. But people gonna go wherever they gotta go get some money. That's the that's the moral of the story. But one thing about they held it down, kept it the whole time for how no how they was able to keep it, but they kept it the whole time they was in hole, came back out. Like, listen, I still got that.

SPEAKER_06 44:32

Let me ask you a question. When you like when you get to like a jail facility, right? And you know it's like different blocks. Yeah, how fast is well how how do you uh how fast you do uh do you get up to speed as far as knowing the rules of moving around, like all right? I'm in the I'm in the You know that before you get to your jail.

SPEAKER_01 44:49

Okay. But I call it watching a movie. Yeah, I just see what's going on. I go every new jail I go to, I I play the cut.

SPEAKER_04 44:56

That's it. You gotta get off the bus quiet, like all right. Let me see what you might see, especially if you say I only did Fed time. I don't know how I work up state. If in the feds, you got a little bit more of a pass because 066 gotta stick together. And if we all from Philly, we 066. So you gotta. So a nigga, where's though in Philly, niggas might see you from north or south Philly, you be from West. So nigga be like, I don't know, bull, and let you be. Whereas though I see you come on and join, he's 066. Yo, what's up, homie come here?

SPEAKER_01 45:20

Now, 066 in the state is SP NP, West Philly. You see what I'm saying? Because remember, when you go to jail, all that shit y'all was going through on the streets in all Philly, it's over with. In the feds. And and the feds and in the state, too. Oh, in the state. And the feds, every Philly gotta stick together in one car. And the feds is your car. We in a Philly car. That's just what it is. Then it's a Philly car, but then it's got like it's the is also the the Muslim car. The Muslim car, you got people from all over the country. You see what I'm saying? You're gonna be in the Muslim car, you're gonna be in the Philly car, Philly car, they doing a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Then the brothers sometimes stick amongst the brothers because you know we can't we can't practice practice the travelism. So you stay where you at and it's just one one sound, you know what I mean? But at the end of the day, in in the state jails, it's like at Holmesburg, I'm gonna say in particular, like back in the night, Holmesburg, blocks was by your neighborhood. B block was South Philly, had a few Southwest sprinkled in there. You knew A block was North Philly, you know what I mean? You know, C block that was uh medication, and they had a little bit of hole. F block was West Philly, T block was mixed in in there. So every block they would really place you on that block based upon your geographical location. You know what I'm saying? So people know that somebody down the receiver room is gonna be down there from your hood. Oh, such and such from North just came in from 23rd. So you go down the county and you with North Philly. I don't care what if you was beefing with Burke Street, was beefing with Diamond Street, that's dead right now. That's dead because we gotta hold this down. You see what I'm saying? Wow. So that's that's more so what it do. But just going back to what you saying, how it is for you know, what how if dudes looking at you as weak, if somebody takes something from you, it's more like just can you imagine like get smacked in front of your wife and then you argue with her later on that night?

SPEAKER_04 47:03

Then she's gonna be like, yeah, you wanna argue with that nigga that smacked your ass. You you're gonna have to, you might as well divorce her. Yeah, because you're gonna wear that for the if you get smacked in front of your wife, then do nothing. Either you're never gonna argue with her or have no type of conversation with her, or you gotta leave her. So it's one or other. That'll never be the same.

SPEAKER_01 47:24

And Jill, what the dudes will tell you is either you handle that or lock it in, man. You can't be running around and claiming the Philly card, and you just let this boy smack you.

SPEAKER_04 47:33

Even if you smack him, that gives us cause to ride and back your play. But if you ain't trying to do nothing yet, you gotta roll. You gotta roll. We can't leave you here on the now.

SPEAKER_01 47:42

This and it's not now that's not that black got smacked, boy Philly ball got smacked.

SPEAKER_04 47:47

Yeah, that's what it is.

SPEAKER_01 47:48

Yep, that's Philly ball got smacked because nobody knows his name. Nope. It's the Philly ball, they just let the Philly let that ball get smacked in New York.

SPEAKER_04 47:54

Oh, yeah. Somebody in the Philly car got the Philly car got smacked. Yeah, so y'all wear that as a badge. Ain't just no more to feet got smacked. No, so it's branded on, it's branded on the on the whole game. On the whole game, anytime you go to the child hall, you see the Philly niggas bite. Yeah, them niggas over the biggest.

SPEAKER_01 48:08

We're gonna back your play, but you gotta you gotta leave the trunk. You gotta initiate it. You gotta initiate it. And if you ain't got nothing, I'm gonna give you a jam. You when you need to back it up.

SPEAKER_04 48:15

And if you still ain't trying, then you got to go now, cuz. Yeah, and you just that just happens by default. I don't care if it's King Kong, yeah, Johnson on the fucking new with 800 pounds. Oh, you can't beat the wave. I tell niggas that all the time, bro. Yeah, you cannot beat the wave. So if you don't want to experience the audience is listening to the men or even the women, I really don't know how too much how female uh prison go. But if I'm thinking it's a little bit like ours, it goes a little bit like that. But if you don't want to do go through this, man, stay your ass out of here. There's a whole nother different set of rules, man.

SPEAKER_06 48:46

So I'm asking a question. And the guns get checked at the door, yeah. So I'm asking a question. So, yeah, that's that's the that's the crazy part. Here that is no guns in jail. Uh no switchy, ladies and gentlemen. There's no switchy on these. No, it ain't. So, all right, somebody gets slapped, like, you know what I mean? Somebody slaps somebody, man, from the old 066 car in the feds, right? And after the person gets slapped, but right then and there, it shouldn't be no break in between it. He's supposed to retaliate right then there as soon as he gets slapped. Oh, yeah, that's supposed to be a natural reaction, but that reaction is real. So him coming back to it and like yo, he slapped you and he didn't do nothing. Basically, he he already showed where he up to what he who he is by letting nobody slap him and not doing nothing.

SPEAKER_04 49:27

Well, police might have been looking like okay, nigga don't want to go right to the hole. Nigga, like, okay, I got this whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 49:33

Personally, I'm a reactive person. Yeah, I'm going to the hole. So y'all gonna y'all gonna swap me, you're gonna dog me because at the end of the day, my re my natural reaction got to swing.

SPEAKER_06 49:42

You see what I'm saying? That's all I was saying. Because I'm like, as soon as somebody just you know slap you, like like you said, we talked about that the other day. Now I'm in jail now, right? Opposed, we stop on the streets, but it might say somebody spitting on you. If you slap me or put your hands on me, and right then I don't care if it's 50 of y'all, something gotta happen. You can't come back, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:01

You can you can I have seen niggas come back now, don't say that. I said you can't come back. You to sleep, yeah, but like, damn, alright, been my fault. And you like, yeah. And the more he kept being a bitch, the more you because sometimes with a level maturity, you gotta wait the situation.

SPEAKER_05 50:16

Lock it socket.

SPEAKER_01 50:17

As a young boy, you probably won't react immediately. And if you got if you got a half full time, it's a great chance you're just gonna move right out and you're gonna bounce jail to jail anyway. Like my last bit, I was at 22 jails when I did time over New York. So, because I had this thing with though, I'm carrying the city. You see what I'm saying? They're all these gangs in the hand, this, that, and the third. Like, listen, I gotta make an example everywhere it goes, so it ain't even nothing to talk about. And I kept my stuff patched.

SPEAKER_06 50:41

Now, so so you saying, like, all right, say, you know, like me and Josh slap him, right? And he doesn't do nothing. He has to go lock in the cell, and the fact he got to go to the hole, gotta go check in.

SPEAKER_01 50:55

If he gotta check in, he gotta check in. You let that boy smack you. If I didn't do nothing about that, you gotta do that.

SPEAKER_04 51:00

And I'm like, man, it's cool.

SPEAKER_01 51:01

Yeah, because you got dudes that ready to go home and like you like, listen, it's gonna be because I, you know, we believe in we in this religion, like the strongest one is not the one though power, the one who's controlled in time of anger. You got a more important, bigger picture out there, you saying, listen, I'm I go home next week. Because dude find out that's why you don't tell nobody when you go home.

SPEAKER_05 51:18

Somebody slapped you because you go home. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:20

Because listen, I've been waiting, I've been laying on you. You see what I'm saying? Like my man, I'm gonna give you the good another good example, right? We're in a hole, right? So my man had the uh the boy had Clark, right? Clark from out the one with young guns, right? 31st Street. One of the young guns of 31st Street, Clark, Clark, people we're different. Wilson, you know what I mean? Clark. So what happened was, right? The boy boy named Vernon, like Vern had went on. Well, Vern had stole Clark one time, right? Okay, and they got it in, they rumbled after that, whatever. They went in there and rumbled, whatever. But Clark is so devious in his mind of like he gonna he want his full get back. So Clark was planning on when it was time for him, Clark had light, but he was planning on when it's time for him to go home, he's not going home.

SPEAKER_03 52:07

He's taking it to the Mac.

SPEAKER_01 52:08

He's taking it to the Mac. Okay, you think it's this cool, but when it's time for you to go home, you're not going home. But what happened was Clark got booked with a cell phone. So they were shipping him out. Now the other boy, he wound up getting booked again before it was time to go home and sent back there. So they they they're in the back of the hole, right? So remember, they they don't speak in turn now, because that happens in jail all the time. You've been rumble with dudes. Yeah, let's see. Y'all be cool down and down. It might be your best friend, might be your third. But Clark too crazy for that. So listen, so when they get in the hole, we like, damn, they brought you down here, man. Like, yeah, man, they got me down here. I got caught doing X, Y, Z. So he's like, Man, I'm gonna get you moved in this joint. But Clark is on his way out to another jail because they got caught with a cell phone. So he's sending them food down there, whatever. He didn't get they didn't sign the paperwork to get to put in. So now every time you go to the hole, when you go to the yard, right, you gotta cuff up. So every time you go to the yard, you gotta come out, cuff up one celly at a time.

SPEAKER_04 53:03

It's just it's just box, is it the box cuff up or just regular? No, it's just regular cuffs. And you gotta do it from the back.

SPEAKER_01 53:09

You gotta do it from the back. So, so he would, so he knows he's ready to get shipped out. So what happens was he goes out there, he said, all right, we're going to the yard. So he like, all right, go ahead, you go ahead and get cuffed up. Man, he went in there, got cuffed up. When he turned back around, he went lit his behind on fire in that shit.

SPEAKER_04 53:28

That's why you gotta be very, very careful.

SPEAKER_01 53:30

Because he knew he wasn't gonna be able to get his get back because the chances of him seeing again with his life bit and him getting shipped out of jail wasn't gonna happen. So when he cuffed him up, he rocked him all the way to sleep to get him all the way in his cell. And when he went to go cuff up a yard.

SPEAKER_04 53:43

And the thing is, right, when you in a hole and get cuffed up and your celly turned up, they don't come in right away to break it up. No, they gotta get reinforcements. So you might be in there getting imagine being cuffed. You can you have no control to put your hands in front of you to block it, and a nigga in front of you just working, just working. You you can't even field your face. And the guards is outside, stop, stop, but they're not coming in the cell yet, especially in the hole. So, what how do you prevent that? If you go, what do you do? You you you you know you get in the cell, but you know you alright with a motherfucker. If you know you on tilt with this nigga, yeah, nah, one of us got to go right now. Now ain't nobody coming up, take him out.

SPEAKER_01 54:20

But the reason I say that right, I always try to bring it all the way back full service for these young boys as I am playing with these guns and killing people family and doing things. Because a lot of these dudes that you doing things to, they family been in jail so long, you don't even know the history, you don't know who they are. So you come in there and you get locked up, and they done took your gun and took everything you got. Now you go on a block and you don't know old head top feet, you don't know that's his nephew. Yeah, and they put you in a cell with him. You you as soon as he comes in, hey, what's up, little brother? You good? You know, you know, we straighten up, you watch TV as much as you want them. Whole time he's saying, as soon as these lights go out, I'ma cheer this young boy. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, like I'm gonna he killed my son, he cut my he cut my nephew. You don't know who these people are that you kill, and that's why the first thing you do, you see them first thing they do when they come through the joint, they're like, yo, let me get a banger. Because you don't know who's who at this point. Like you say, you come on a compound, you you just see a bunch of people, everybody in brown. Or you go on, you go somewhere, everybody in tan. So you don't know who's who. So it's the same the same way it goes with when somebody's hot and they come to the feds, you know what I mean? And you thinking you done got shipped to the jail, you don't know the paperwork that preceded you before you got there, they'll rock you all the way to sleep. Yeah, come on, go. We got some pictures up there. You know, John John just sent us some flicks, get you up to the top tier, and they tear you up. But the same niggas from you from the same Philly boys gonna be the one to get you out of here because you gotta handle your own people. The good thing is you gotta handle with them. You're not nobody gonna do nothing to him, but y'all gotta get him out of here because he's high.

SPEAKER_06 55:48

Well, so all right, we come well the feds. This I'm actually asked y'all this question. I come in the feds, we in the streets. I'm I was uh beefing with you in the feds, and I and I I never harmed you, but I may have by us beefing, I may have killed one of your homies, your friends. So when I come into the federal, uh the federal uh jail and I and I see you, is this stuff happening with people that's in the same car rocking you to sleep? Yeah, come on upstairs. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 56:18

It might be a situation. You're not hot, you there, you just did what you did. We know the streets do what they do. So it might be like we you gotta line that up. We set it, you might get it set up so y'all go do what y'all gotta do.

SPEAKER_04 56:28

Because we need your body more than we need, yeah, more than we need you to get off the yard. Cause there ain't many of us.

SPEAKER_01 56:35

I done seen dudes like my shout out to my old, like he can't, his his brother, his brother told. So the thing was he came through and he was what he he he was he was a front liner. So it was like, listen, let me do it. Nobody could do nothing to my brother, let me do it. Yeah, so he went in there with his own brother, and he they tore it up. He did what he I mean. Like, listen, he stomped him out because it was no such thing as you know, he he felt like that's still my mom's son.

SPEAKER_04 57:02

Yeah, you see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 57:03

That's my blood, yeah. That's my blood. And he he he parked, but I gotta handle it. And he was parking.

SPEAKER_04 57:09

And that's the best that's the correct way to do it.

SPEAKER_06 57:11

Yeah. Let me ask you this question. Was it was the first uh federal jail you was at? MDC Manhattan.

SPEAKER_04 57:17

Oh, you was in wild New York. You ever been in York? Yeah, I've been in there in transit, but that was I was only I've been in MDC, uh, uh uh MCC man. I've been all over the goddamn country. But what what first I think he was asking that what first jail that you actually went to? That's a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 57:32

Let me ask you FTC. Mine got sent back to state.

SPEAKER_04 57:35

Oh, so it's got so you never went to a federal yard.

SPEAKER_01 57:38

Mine got sent back to state. I went from there, and then I went over that. I went over there and I was over to uh Manhattan sent I was over MC Manhattan.

SPEAKER_06 57:44

What does MDC? What does MDC mean? And what is it? Manhattan is it's okay.

SPEAKER_01 57:50

Then I went over Rackers Island.

SPEAKER_06 57:51

Oh, you said Rackers?

SPEAKER_01 57:52

Yeah, I was over Rackers. I was over Rackers for like about 18 months.

SPEAKER_06 57:56

They make Rackers seem like it just is like a de a hellhole.

SPEAKER_04 57:58

Like, how is that between CFCF and Rackers? Is it wilder than CFC?

SPEAKER_01 58:02

If we being real, if we being real, right? They don't play with like knobs. Like they play with razors. And Rackers Island is more gang violence than individual violence. You see that like CFCF's neighborhoods is is like cases, is like situations, it's like wolves versus the, you know what I mean? So over there, it's like more so only real, only way I get wild is because of the get the bloods and the crypts beefing. You see what I'm saying? And the the bloods is like 20 times more deeper than the crypts. I'm gonna be honest, it takes a lot of heart to be a crit over the over the over Agazon. If you go, it's like two blocks to 50. And you gotta go to court. Yeah, you see what I'm saying? You gotta go to court, you gotta go to that hall, you go on a visit. You rumbling every time you go somewhere. You see what I'm saying? If you're a crit.

SPEAKER_04 58:48

Is the bloods and crypts happier in the feds too? Yeah, yeah, but I thought crypts was extinct, so I went to California for seven years. They is not extinct. I because you know, the in the Feds, the majority of people I'm meeting, especially over here, is bloods. It's Da Mu. Da mu is a Spanish word for blood. So it's like, all right, boom, all right, what's up, blood internet? When you go over there, and then I don't know, but I don't like to say this like to discredit somebody and what they stand for, but it's like the East Coast was never made up for bloods and cryps. Yeah, it ain't gonna be. That was like a West Coast Midwest type of thing.

SPEAKER_01 59:24

Pittsburgh did a little bit more.

SPEAKER_04 59:25

Yeah, but even they just started uh, you mean acquiring them ways. Yeah, but we always been on like gangs of neighborhoods. So when you see this type of you know stuff that's over here, you get over there to that west coast, they don't really be respecting these. Now, when we get over the west coast, the niggas that's bloods over here, they on east coast time because you know it ain't no Philly in DC and New York when we get out there. Oh no, the whole all the rules change. It's east coast. We got this say we was beefing with a Baltimore car or the DC car, all that shit stop when we get back to yeah. Oh wow, so isn't no car deeper than DC.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:02

Oh wow, so it ain't it, it ain't it ain't like it is when you're on the east coast, like you said, there's no cars, like a Philly car, Baltimore car. No, you still have that when you get over there. Oh, they need the stain basically.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:12

So east versus west. Yeah, exactly. Exactly because you want a whole nother coast, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:16

And you gotta realize DC is always deep, and all even the detention centers, because they don't have no county jails and no state, no state. Everybody from DC, just imagine everybody that committed a crime in Philadelphia went to the federal, yeah. And that's how DC hit.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:30

And their last state jail was Lorton before they said it then. Yeah, and Lorton was a hell of a state jail for them DC brothers.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:37

Yeah, they had juveniles in there too.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:39

We got a couple DC boys looking to come up next week, man. Hopefully, everything goes right, man. Because we want to give them all all areas of bidding. Because you know, the way they bid down there is not the way we bid up here, yeah. I mean, like the south. Like when I went in the feds, and like I told you the other day, and seen how certain people, like how we got our lingo, the ball drawn and that drawn and this and that, they slip. Yeah, I mean, they slip, yeah. What's up, Slim? Or the them South boys, what's up, bitch? Like, that's how they address each other. Like, bitch, you get over here, bitch. We could we don't talk for each other like unless we disrespecting each other with that type of word. But that is a a word of like cavalry, like what's up, homie?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:14

You know, my guy is from down uh Baltimore, DC, the the uh the the uh the little DMV down there, Marlowe.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:21

Marlowe, light skin Marlowe.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:22

No, Marlo that the real Marl that the wire was made after. Okay, the real Marlo.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:27

He in the fetch?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:28

No, he's home now. You know he's home now, he's home now. Yeah, Marlowe. Marlowe's a funny guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:32

His uh, I uh you know what? I actually was on the phone with him other day, FaceTime with him. Yeah, yeah, he don't really want to do the podcast, but he like, I'll do it. But his stepson.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:40

But he don't get on no no no no trains, none of you got you got a drink. Yeah, yeah. He don't fuck with the trains, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:46

I we had to go to him if we were.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:47

You gotta go get him over with Marlowe.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:50

Super thorough. I talked to him actually like two weeks ago.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:52

Funny as hell.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:53

Yeah, his stepson was did a lot, his name Marlo, too. We did a lot of time in the feds together.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:58

He was telling, he told me his story, right? He was like, Yeah, like, man, listen, that's not even his real last name. He was like, that's a step bop. He was like, and uh, he said, man, he said he was in the he said he was in the feds. You know, the wire too. They he he like that was a raping you record joint. He wasn't getting no bread off of this. Like Marlo came on crack. Like he ain't getting no money off the wire. They was giving him like peanuts coming in and getting some commentary money. He said they ain't ranked, they didn't cut him no check. So he was telling me that they like he was like, man, he he he was really illiterate. So when he when they when he when they put him on a drug game, like he found out something that he can do. And like protecting the drugs and making sure nobody else get around. He was already playing with the he was always playing with the mammoth, so he found it easy to do. So he wound up catching all them cases, getting them 50-something years and all that. I think Marlowe did like 40, 40 something. Yeah, he did a large amount of time. He did a large amount of time. He was like, he did so much time to kill so many people, right? That he was sentenced for it, so it's nothing coming back on him. Like he said he was he he every most of his family died of HIV while he was in prison. You know what I mean? HIV and violence. So he said he was in it, he had one person left. I believe he said it was his mom. Excuse me if I'm mistaken, it was someone else. But he said he was like, that's the only person he had still riding for him. The only type of support he had. He said he got down in his cell, right? He said he was like, listen, his mom was getting real sick. It's like, whatever you do, God, like you know what I mean? Don't take my mom away from me. Like, that's all I got. He said, All the cosmetics on his shelves fell down on his head. He said it was like, God said, Man, get the hell out of it nigga. All these people you done killed, man, get the hell out of here to you about it. Like, it was crazy. He was like, in his mind, he was like, Man, listen, I just felt whatever I was whatever I was doing, I deserved.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:39

It's crazy. Now, let me uh let me ask y'all this though, like, you know, when when you when y'all in in the feds, right? Is it immediately known that the person uh has a uh some type of stature, like like you said, Marlowe, like is it or everybody's him like there's a lot of it? Your repetition procedure before you walk in the room.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:57

That's state, feds, anywhere, like anywhere. This ain't Instagram, right? Instagram you can put your your pay, I'm killing John John, uh hit money with Sim Sim, hot ass do. You really have to do what you said you do because people won't call you on it. You see what I'm saying? Your track record, everybody knows that's the boy that killed such such. That's the boy that did such, and that's gonna hurt you and it's gonna help you. Because again, everything that you're doing, somebody else done did too. So just because you was known for that and you did something to the wrong people, it's somebody in that jail that just is that put the same type of work you put in waiting on you too. There's nowhere you're gonna really go with a body, and you're not gonna have to answer to somebody. It ain't no such thing. You got a body, somebody's people somewhere waiting on you.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:41

Now, these guys who have who have this uh extensive, well, obviously the guys who has this uh who have this repetitive reputation of being, you know, a big time drug dealer, you know, a big time, you know, murderer, whatever, a boss out here, um, are they actually living it, like running the jails like they say to people that he running the jail? Who? Like when somebody has like a name on the streets, like they be in more so in a cut, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:05

They don't be running the jail. Like it be bullies like niggas that got names like them niggas is getting money, they be cooling. They be cooling, them niggas is trying to get out of jail. Not to say that they suckers, but they ain't trying to be over top of no whole car. That's a lot of responsibility.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:19

To be having when you run a car, when you the face of a car, the administration come get you when something's going on. I'm talking about the police. They're locked in jail down and come escort you to the lieutenant office. Yo, if we let y'all back, like it's just two niggas don't be wanting that responsibility.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:33

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:33

And niggas don't want that responsibility at all.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:35

You ever seen somebody who had a name that was like known for being a killer or a murderer or a person who gets money get get the slap, get slapped and don't do nothing? Nah, nah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:44

Yeah, I seen it.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:45

I'm not saying it won't happen, but I haven't seen it.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:47

I seen it. I definitely seen it. I seen it down the floor a lot of time, man. I, you know, I ain't gonna put no name and no blame on nobody on, because I won't put nobody's stain on nobody's record. But I've seen some known get down, lay down situation boys that like. Literally, you know, I'm like I said, I that's not me, that's my old head. Like, you know what I mean? But if you know, you know, they was out there, you know, refereing the game. You get older. You see what I'm saying? What you done, you done, but it gets it's always a new you. And you out there refereing the game. I seen somebody smack somebody that I know if you would have to do on the street, they would have blew his head off.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:17

Wow. I'm asking this though. Uh you always talk about this uh usage in the Ford, and we always talk about this. What's the number one cause of fights in the rackyard? Is it the hand the handball and I don't duty, the tennis courts or whatever, the volleyball or basketball?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:31

Normally, on the fights, like normally basketball, geographical wars, big a lot of geographical wars, but normally it's basketball, it's things you just ain't supposed to do, like in jail. Like they tell you don't stay away from you know I mean homosexuality, gambling, gambling, religious wars, and borrowing and gang, you know what I mean, borrowing. You stay away from that, and you know what I mean, and putting mud on a dude's name and you ain't got no track record to prove it. Like, if you ain't got no paperwork, don't be running around calling nobody no black. You know what I mean? Don't call nobody no no no bang, don't call nobody none of that stuff and you can't approve it. You see what I'm saying? Because what happens is like the so you hear out here, they be talking about you heard such and such, did such and such, but they ain't gonna say it to him and there.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:14

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:15

You see what I'm saying? Exactly. Because they already know he's still, and then when he comes out here, they ain't gonna say it either.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:19

Nope.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:19

You see what I'm saying? So it's like I don't want to hear that. Like you said, if you ain't gonna say, because I'm big on hold on, let me call on the three way.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:25

Yeah, like exactly, yeah, because if it was on the yard, it was like, yeah, come on. Yeah, you're gonna go bring this to the phone. As soon as you mention it, that's why. You got to prove that he did that. Yeah, uh, if I come to you and you a man feet, man, you know the homie in the car, you like, yeah, you got to break yours the homie told what's up? You you got the proof the proof to show this? You can't that you can't that's why I said it's a real that's actually the right way to be though.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:47

People gonna need to be black down on the streets a little bit more, too. Yeah, like when they hear something like yo, let me go. I got his phone, let me call.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:52

Nobody can prove it. But where you get it from? It's like it's I always thinking about when we talk, I always swing back to religion, right? Because I was talking about when you're trying to see how sound is a hadith, right? Is it naive because of who it came from? Dudes would be like, Well, where do you get it from? Say hula, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? What would you the Islam because Islam because at the end of the day, these dudes will sit there and and and and narrate a page or was on such and such page, but where did that come from? You know, I mean nobody feels to take a deeper dive on that. People read the headlines, they don't read the body of it, you know what I mean? It might be an article accepting to something, they ain't gonna read that because nine and ten times they're looking for a reason to hate you anyway, exactly, because it's some type of jealous envy. It's always a dude looking for a reason not to like you.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:36

Nigga, check your paperwork, he goes right to the back to see if it's sealed or if it's he ain't actually looking through the paper, which is still correct protocol, but like he said, it'd be a lot of dudes that be wanting something to be for the streets.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:47

He was getting money on the street, and you know, and I was a broke. You got dudes that's in the feds, so is he wasn't getting no money, he just got caught with a gun. He was a convicted felon with a firearm, so he they didn't they didn't put him in there. Everybody, but at one point in time, like everybody in the feds was getting money. He got in a Rico. This boy here is mass murderer, this boy here was in the mob. Now anybody go to the feds.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:06

The black lookout go to the feds. A nigga that was out there looking out got a dime. Yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:11

Just off the architect. Now, um, you you just said something that I never heard say before. Like maybe I meant or I missed it, but there's rules to finding out, well, to read in paperwork, the where you go from the gate to see if they told.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:25

Yeah, yeah. Especially when you read in federal paperwork, you could go to the disposition of a nigga case. And if it's one of the key facts, this don't necessarily mean you told or didn't tell. But it's like an extra. But it gives it, yeah. If your case is sealed, meaning your disposition, the outcome of your case is sealed, not to the public, that's a red flag. So it's just say sealed. Yes, it'll say sealed. It'll say sealed. Usually everybody shit be open. Yeah. If you went to trial or if you copped out, if you ain't did nothing that's backdoorish and told and all that, it won't be have no reason to be sealed. So now that don't necessarily mean you told, but it's a good chance you did tell. So what do you say to somebody? Why are you on seal? Yeah, exactly. So now we gotta dig deeper. Yeah, you got them right.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:03

So what's the normal, like the I'll say what would be somebody's excuse if they told, why would they say it's sealed? What would be they they wouldn't? What you mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:10

Uh I don't know. They'll say I don't know or something.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:12

They just say I don't know what's going on that you gotta go. At one point in time, it got so goofy now with the feds, right? One point in time you come into the you come into the cell. Before I even make it back to the cell, your paperwork should be on my bed, right? So I know who I'm in the cell with. But now they got some joints that they put on your indictment. You can't even get a copy of your paperwork, you can only look it on the computer. So it's like you can't walk around with it, it's only on the computer.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:33

But it's easy to go and get your name and put it right on there looking and look it up in the law library.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:38

Everybody gotta come out on that call out shit. And ain't none of them case.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:46

Like, just trying to figure out what's looking it up at everybody else's shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:49

Like they just looking at every going on the law library, researching this, seeing what's who's who's what. That's just what they did.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:54

I mean, I should just though. Like, I want to rewind a little bit. You said you got the fort, right? Yeah, I was down the fort. How was it for you when you got to the fort? Saw that, you know, that the that wall and and like how how old were you when you got there?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:06

I was 17, right? When I first got to the fort, what blew my mind is the question, the first question they ask you when you walk in. I'm thinking they're gonna ask me, what's your name? What's your birthday? The same thing doing the police station. They asked me, okay, where you want your body sent? If something was to happen to you. They asked you where you want your body sent.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:23

That's a heavy, heavy question. No, Feds don't ask you.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:28

They ask you where you want to, but the the thing about when it when you went into that, when you went into the FTCs, it's like, you know, the stuff that's on the wall that that blows your mind. You know that sign that says it's people that's told and it's people that wish they told. They got a big sign up to say people is told and people that wish they told. What do you mean by that? So it was like, you know what I mean? So yeah, when they ask you that, and then me when I first went downgraded for it, I ran into the the the big state riot where they took everybody what I mean, and everybody got shipped that way, everybody got all shipped out. So I'm sitting in the cell, and mind you, as a young boy, 17, you done heard all these rumors of what's going on upstate, you know what I mean? No matter how tough you think you is, you still got in the back of your mind subconsciously, this thing get goofy. You know what I mean? I'm 120 pounds soaking wet. You see what I'm saying? I'm up here like, all right, man. You know what I mean? I'm going up here, then I'm I'm sitting in the cell, and I'm hearing dogs and a bunch of voices, and keep changing something. I jump up like what's going on. I look out my door, I see big naked men, and I'm what's going on? A naked men running through the blocks? No, yeah, it was a bit it was a state raid. They had raid the greatest for to shut it down. Wow. They had came in there and they had everybody on a chair, butt naked, handcuffed. You know, I mean they ran right in there. Listen, I don't want to hear nothing. Shut your mouth. I want to see ass on L Bulls. That's all I want to see. You say something, you're going down, you're going down hard. I never forget that. Like my first poem I learned when I was in first grade. Like they came in there. This is my first reaction to state prison. You know, and I'm like, man, I ain't no gang. I ain't gang. I ain't taking me there. Okay. Like, and then you know, they take you out, boom. They haul tied to you out, no clothes. They had the COs inside of the other little bubble searching them. So this was like a state raid. They were shutting greatest forward. They were like everything, greatest for was crooked. So they was running down on a whole jail. So they took out they then they took a boatload of us from there straight on the bus to Camp Hill. Wow. And Camp Hill, they've run you up this, they've run you up the tier and don't tell you what door you go in and just slam you and throw you into your cell. Open the door with his head. So I I had the blessings like a got a lot of knowledge and a lot of, you know, I mean, a lot of history from I mean.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:41

I'm gonna ask you a question. Um, you mentioned that is a sign that says you uh you should have it's those who who told and those who wish that they told.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:49

Have you ever met somebody who said, Man, I wish I would have told them dudes, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:52

They ain't gonna say it out loud.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:53

No, no, I ain't never met nobody. I've been thinking some dudes might be might be bragging questions. You can't come out here.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:59

I mean nobody's asking that no penitentiary and shit, V. Ain't nobody that no, no, no, I wish I couldn't. But like you could you you are you're automatic uh outcast if you say that. Yeah, and you in jail, don't nobody say this ain't no kitty can't this ain't daycare, ain't nobody your man. I wish I told on him. The whole shit gonna get quiet.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:16

Look at you. I seen somebody jokingly say that one time because the dude came to jail and he started messing with them boys. And he was like, Man, I held that down, man. I could have been home. This nigga be doing X, Y, and Z. Just told on him. You know what I mean? He he deserved to be in jail, but you know what I mean. I ain't never seen nobody say, like, blatantly, like, you know what? I think I should have told. Yeah, but it's people thinking it because a lot of dudes go to trial thinking because they're innocent, that they're automatically gonna beat the case because they don't know the definition of the word conspiracy. You know, they thinking like I ain't do, I ain't pull the trigger. Yeah, I ain't gonna be a good thing. You ain't got to pull the trigger, nigga. You ain't got to do that. But you turned the key to the car. Yeah, exactly. And you he jumped out your car and jumped out of the city. You gotta find a way to try to prove to these jurors that you didn't know and inside your head.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:02

You ain't know what he was doing exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:03

So it's like you try to.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:05

Did you see a uh a firearm in his hand when he got out of the car?

SPEAKER_01 1:15:08

Yeah, you got it. It don't even matter. He don't even have to see the firearm. Like, literally, you gotta prove that he had a comedy that you you told him and he didn't know you didn't know where you were taking him to.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:20

Wow. I want to back up a little bit, right? Oh dude. And give him uh and give him a quick little story time, about two minutes, man, to go off of what the brother said about how if you have someone in your car and they don't retaliate, and a brother right here must know me because he knows this thing happened real well. Brainiac happened out in California. We had a homie out there one day named P.A. Lil P. A was from North Philly, and he got into it with a Baltimore nigga. What was the Baltimore nigga? D D Dub. That was the Baltimore nigga named D Dub. I'll never forget certain instances that happened. What happened was the homie from Philly had a porno book. Now you know a porno book is high commodity in jail. I'm talking about he had a butt man, a real butt man. Mount on duty. Like, bro, but you're talking about not on duty. A buttman is a porno magazine. It's called buttman. It's called buttman? Yeah, it's called buttman with girls with big old fat. You talking about not on duty. So what happened was to continue the story. So PA was going around renting the buttman out to people. You can go to dudes like yo, Mount Duty. I got a story behind that story. I got a book. I got a book for you, and you'll say, All right, listen, I'm gonna give you two books of stamps because that was the money right along with macros and all. That's the jailhouse money. Yeah, and the brother was like, and PA would rent the books out. So what happened was this basically you trick it.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:40

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:41

Yeah, that's how you trick he the print. He got the book, he the print. Yeah, they he's bitches. So he'd going around and he'd be like, Yo, you got an hour. Give me uh five mackerels. You in there going getting going to tan. You could come out that motherfucker wiping off like, yo, you ain't getting nothing on my book, man. You tripping. You take it to the next nigga. That's a war. Like, bro, you get you get killed about this magazine, bro. But listen, so look, what happened was a cell got searched where the book was at. Okay. This is contraband. A dick, like like porno books used to be in the jails back in the day. Now it's very far from humans because they got them all off the yard. It's contraband, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:17

It's contraband, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:18

So if somebody, if you got a brand new porno book, bro, it's like you got a gun or something in jail. Like this, this is how many porno book is more than man. A porno book in a prison is crazy. So the COs shook down the homie, the homie cell. They took the book. Like, damn, they found the magazine. I ain't supposed to have that. So now when COs take stuff out, but they ain't locking him up or nothing like that, it's just contraband. Now, when they take stuff out yourselves and the feds, anyway, that you ain't supposed to have, they don't put it like in the trash out there on the unit. They put it in the hot trash. So, like another nigga gotta come get it and take it to like an officer's lounge where they put the trash back, but we can't get back to it. But now you got regular convicts that work in that department too. Yeah, so say if they ship your cell down, they were taking a bunch of shit that you want tank tops you ain't supposed to have, uh altered clothing that's going in that bag and it's going to hot trash. Now I work hot trash. I might can get the bag and be like, feet, that was just your shit, but you got to buy it back from me. Yeah, it's all a hustle. So now the book comes back to the Kapine compound after the police took it, sent the hot trash. The nigga D dub work hot trash. He gets the book. The homie PA, like, yo, them D dub, they his bitches now. He giving the book, he renting the book out to them niggas. So niggas like, yo, the same buttman back on the yard. Man, they got it back. D dub, he's running that joint with an iron fist, way more than how PA was running. PA the little homie from Philly. So niggas like, yo, that's your book number. We don't give a fuck about none of that. We gonna see what's up with dude. We go to him, yo, D dub, man, we gotta get this book back. That ain't just shit. He like, man, I need 200 hours then. All right, I respect that. But we ain't paying you no 200 hours. Either we going to war or that price gotta come down soon. Over a book. Over a book. So PA goes to him. Only girls in the building. Yeah, that only girls, yeah. PA goes to him like a couple hours or something by itself. Like, yo, we in the chow hall lunchtime. Yo, man, I need that book. He smacks the shit out of PA. We all in the chow hall. Like, motherfuckers is breaking it up. PA real little. He like breaking. So it's Baltimore niggas and Philly niggas now. So we get on the yard, meet him there with us too. You know, homie, he hell can't he? Shout out to him. We on the yard, we get back to the yard, he rate go crazy. He trying to find D dub, like, no, he just P P U PA like this big, but still I don't care if you was this big. Nigga smack you and J. You got the you got at least get beat up. You don't do PA took that slap and turn around and rushed out the chicken childhood like he was stealing chicken or something. So now I catches the nigga D dub in education. Because at the lunchtime, 12:30 rec move. Niggas go to education, go to rec yard, weight power, whatever. I catches him in education. We all in school together. I'm like, damn, dub, you smack my little homie and such and such. He like, yeah, he stealed me. Boom. He right he probably I trash him in there today. It's me and another homie, but I'm like, no, don't broke, don't jump in it. I trash him all around the stalls in the bathroom. They don't lock us up. Police come, but the police in education, they're not regular COs, it's like people that come from the street. Yeah. So they really be like more timid to jump in some shit. Like, oh, they'd rather hit the walkie's and let the COs come rushing in. But we broke it all up, whatever. But D dub on the yard, like, you a man, Shorty. You what I'm talking to me. You a man, but your homie, he's a bitch. I smack that nigga he. But it's like we can't even really try to ride because this nigga, and we didn't even check PA in for that. We like, man, you can go ahead and walk around the yard and wear that weirdest humiliation of the whole time you here. And to come to find out, this nigga had some muscle on his jacket. He was telling. So you know when you get to California. Who PA was telling? Yeah. When you get to California, a lot of niggas really don't ask you no more for that paperwork. Because out California, we outnumbered. Yeah. When I went out there, that joint all the bodies you can get. It's like I'm man, you need some soups, you need some beef. I've been fattening up a little bit. We might be going to war any given day. So I'm not asking you about your because I don't want you to tell me hot, you hot, because I don't want to have to get away from you. I need you to be company to me. So I'm not asking you this on this coast. I'm gonna ask you that when we get back to the east coast. So over there, we you ain't really checking for the paperwork, you checking to see a Philly nigga. Come on, god damn. Been over here, been two of us for two years over here. I'm happy as hell to see a Philly nigga. So, but then his work nigga came up there and was like, Yeah, this nigga told, and he eventually getting up off the yard. But yeah, shout out to uh who that was. Man, I forgot what his name was, it went up too fast. But he was definitely on the yard. He he he was definitely on the yard, but it was over a porno book. But what you was had to say about it?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:43

No, I I had a similar situation when I got to Camp Hill. Like, boy let me hold a book, and when I gave him the book back, I think that was a black tail. That was a black tail. That wasn't one of the that wasn't the BM, that was a black tail. So he let me hold the book. So I had the book for a minute. When I give it back to him, New York Boy, when I give it back to him. The pages are stuck together? No, he said it was a page missing. He tried to hit me when it was a page missing, but that's cool. You can just pay for it. I said, bro, I ain't got nothing for you, but some smoke. Like, you know what I mean? At the end of the day, that's all I got. So my neighbor, he like, yo, uh, what's going on? I'm like, this boy was talking about a page missing out his book. Yeah, but awards me for that. Mind you, me and him pass the book back and forth. So he like, all right, well, listen, you whatever you want, come get it at the back of the chair when it when the gates hit oh hit. So this is my first time going to going going to the whole upstate. So he don't come back to the back of the block, but he was talking crazy, like, yeah, that book when the growth gates hit, you know, he had that money when the gates hit uh it's going down. So we sitting down, he waits for to be the last one to come out the child hall. We sitting inside the child hall, he come by, and something about New York, boy, they think if you grinting on somebody and all your face up to shit mean something. But by this time, we done made up a little joint inside the cell. This thing is a soon as he came by the child hall on his way on his way to his seat. I jump up on it. The difference in the state and the county, down the county, he was a going. The state, they tackle you so fast.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:07

Oh, you ain't really getting none of that all.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:08

Man, what I'm talking about, mind you, I'm butt I'm getting telling them buck 20, soaking wet. I just come up. I'm I'm lighter than feathers, man. They tackle me, knock me across the joint, and then they hog time me straight to the hole. You see what I'm saying? But those books is like, but this goes back to those books. Those books is like one of the most dangerous weapons in the state right now because they like, like he said, they instinct. That's like just think about you the only dude that got work and it's a drought.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:33

Yeah, bro. Bro, motherfucker, you can make so much money off. Listen, dudes was getting them in right and getting the pages laminated. Yeah, because you know they come in a magazine form, so you know you gotta be, you know, I mean, because you might tear a page by accident. Niggas, you tear nigga page, nigga try and rumble, bro. Bro, a butt man is like a man, it's the ca'an in there, it's next to the cayenne, bro. SubhanAllah, this joint might be more than the ca'an to niggas. Like you're gonna read that joint later. But come on over here, bro. Like when the nigga, and then there's no disrespect. I'm just telling you the mentality of these niggas that's in here all day, every day ain't going nowhere.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:08

A porn of a book is is is is like, you know, like physics, it's like it's like a million dollars.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:14

It's like breathing. You can't even get single pictures no more in the state. You gotta go, you gotta get the pictures, send it to this company, they gotta put it in a book form, yeah, then send it to some another jail. That jail gotta look at it, and then send it to your jail.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:28

Because of the case who academic.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:29

Yeah, because so now so it's no is no more magazines in the in the in the in the notes, not them kind of magazines. You gotta get Instagram models is like a star up there.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:39

You get me some of the most you're gonna get that's a curve. Remember the curve with the white girls and all? See, I know all about the magazines that was your favorite favorite magazine, yeah. Curve. I like them white women, they got them little strings up their ass and shit running around little spaghetti strings, and they all in shape and physique. Volleyball played. Oh my god, give me a curve all day long. None of them busted, they don't look like they got bullet holes in them, cigarette butts put up, they looking great. Straight stunt that came out because straight stunt straight straight came out. But I ain't like that. They the ones got bullet holes on them, though.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:10

Yeah, they're straight stunting. You catch a joint with a bullet hole in a butt and all that, like ah, but he found a way to get a lot of money off it because he knew the supply and demand. He like they can they can see this, but they can't see that. So they're gonna take whatever they can get.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:23

Well, I seen a nigga Xerax copy his whole porn magazine though, and then don't give out the original. You gotta pay extra for color. The original is color. And he admitted he got the niggas will be ready to kill you about this black and white porn. It's regular black and white, but you see anything good, not like how you see with that color, but you still see good. Man, bro, I had so much.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:47

And that's why broke somebody to photo that for you. Yeah, you got you got you called live for get somebody that's that's gonna be there, but you know, there ain't no guards in there to get it because you can't just go copy it.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:56

No, in the flag you can. Oh, you can? You could buy, you could buy credits. Oh, yeah, yeah. From the commentary, you could provide when you be like, yo, give me $10 worth of credits on my card where I could go to the uh copy machine. But you still have to, because a guard, what the fuck is you over there copying? You just can't be copying anything. Nigga cut all the pages. Nigga will make his portable, he'll take that cover off, or surramble, like the laminate it. Man, when you see this joint again, it's hard like a biteboard, like this joint, and it's a magazine. This draw is fucked up proof. You can't fuck it up. You can pee on it, it won't be damaged. They done made this joint so bulletproof, bro. When the guards find it, they be like, they just give it back, man. Go ahead, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:37

The supply of the man in jail is like, I was just having a conversation with one of my one of my homies came home, right? And I was talking about how you the reminder benefits of believing. We sit there and we remember a lot of things from like we talking about now from jail. It's like you think about the stuff people go through and the things you gotta go to to get to where you at. It's like, yo, dudes was taking, you're talking about the Bible, dudes was using Bible paper to smoke weed. Because that was the closest thing to top paper. Yeah, yeah. So dudes are like, yo, you're like, what you doing with the Bible? We think we're doing the Bible. Dude taking all the white pages, but then they say you get higher if you smoke the words.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:10

Like, they smoke the words. But you ain't never touched Bible paper or Quran paper. You see how fine it is? Ain't nobody gonna smoke the canon, though. That was that was a dangerous thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:19

But the Bible paper, and the toilet paper wrapper. Yeah, dude was taking the toilet paper, taking a wrapper off the toilet paper. I was selling it.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:28

I was the head orderly, so I can't even get passed off the toilet paper.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:31

People gotta touch your toilet paper now because they can't just give you the toilet paper. Yeah, it's like selling summer sops in the women's prison.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:36

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:38

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:39

I was head orderly, bro. And my job every Wednesday was to go get eight boxes, and each box got like what, 80 rolls in it. Yeah. And before I bring the boxes out on the unit, me and my man are standing there with a net bag and be taking all the outside off each one. So I was I was talking about the paper that's top of the roll, uh tissue. Okay I had like 400. Honey, papers. We open them all up. I sell each paper for $2, which is two max. At the end of the day, I got about 70, 80 max in my cell, all from just the outside. Because the guards be like, they'll tell us, take them off, because they know everybody's smoking with them. But I'm not throwing them away. They'll tell you take them off, put them in a trash can, and pour all this disaffecting all on them. So you know a nigga ain't going in and get it. Then you get all bleach and all that dumb ass shit on it. You done messed up the paper. Man, I'm I might get them a little bit, but I got so many papers that's another hustle. Every but that is like top paper in there. That the Bible paper, that paper we spent outside the toilet. Oh my goodness. You could I smoke a cigarette.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:37

How are you hiding and getting it back to the block? You poofing that?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:39

No, that's easy. But most of the time, with the toilet paper, you're on the block already. You could just take that to yourself. Yeah, that's it. And then even if you had to come from another unit with it. Because my man used to take it because uh damn education, it got boxed in the toilet paper and all that. And he worked down there.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:53

So he was getting the ain't gonna go through stuff like that. Like it's not nothing bulky. They're not gonna say, let me go through your book and give you got toilet paper and yeah, no, you could put that in your legal work, bring that shit back.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:02

That shit flat like paper.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:03

Yeah. Wow. So it's just crazy how the smallest things uh as far as like you know, uh books and and and paper and and how the volume skyrockets because of like like you said, these these these pornographic books, somebody could get killed over this, over, over this in jail. Man, everything. And it's crazy. So hold on, yeah. They so somebody give you uh give you a um, what's the name of the name of the book said uh what is it called? A buttman. No duty. A buttman nom duty. They get that to you and they say that you got 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:35

Yeah, I'm working that junk. I'm working that junk, bro. And don't start my 30 minutes till you see my time go up. Don't start all that. You guys might have came out yourself and you starting to watch, and I gotta walk. No, no, when you see my sign go up, my door shut, start my 30 minutes. Because you might be downstairs. I might come down and speak. You got it, like, yo, I got it. Man, you only got 30 minutes. Niggas are trying to start it. So it's out. No, I gotta get to myself. That might have taken me two minutes, nigga. You gotta really, I need every little 30 minutes of this.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:05

I'm getting at least two. The craziest thing upstate, right? The craziest thing upstate, they used to have cable at one time and they had HBO after dark. The girl Shannon Tweed used to have all these soft porn joints. She used to come on HBO after dark. Mind you, it's two men to a cell, unless you got a single cell. Dudes would literally be in there putting up a curtain and just like, you know, a man for something to cell. So you got two dudes getting down in the cell behind a curtain on in a bed, watching this HBO flicks and all that. This is how you sit like the mindset. Like you see what I'm saying. Like, just think about what you to succumb yourself to. That both of y'all basically in the bathroom together, living in the bathroom. Closet bathroom. Y'all in the bathroom. Y'all now y'all to put it, made it smaller just so y'all can be in there doing the stuff that y'all doing. Because this is what you're subjected to. This is why I like to tell these stories for the younger people to know that, like, this is what you want to do this is how you want to live your life. Like, this is how you want to do the next 20 years, because that's the minimum on most of everything now. Yeah, bro. 15 to 30, 20 to 40.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:03

So that's the you made over like 11 and a half to 23, got a 20 to 40. Yeah, it's that's like 11.5 to 20 county bid now. Nigga get 15 to 30.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:11

Yes, they copping out to like, oh, well, they owe me a dove, I'm taking it. It's like, whoa. Like, whoa, you taking that dub? Like, you take a dove like that?

SPEAKER_06 1:31:19

But not everybody, we got we got we got a nephew right now. We're trying to convince us just to go ahead ahead and do what he needs to do. But not everybody on one, because sometimes dudes haven't served any time, so a lot of time they just don't be knowing until they get that will. It's like we said, people sometimes, which they told it's some people in jail, which they took that deal, man. Yeah, we talked to a few of them. They were young, a few people say, man, you know, they offer me, uh, what's the what's the guy? Um queso. They offer queso, what, 25 years?

SPEAKER_04 1:31:46

Yeah. They offer uh the uh little queso over there in Florida, and he turned around and got that life. He 25 years.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:53

Yeah, but you know, upstate, like once you get convicted of a third-degree murder and you kill somebody upstate, it's automatic life. Because two third degrees is life. So when you when you if you bang somebody out and they die upstate, you got life. So, like I said, you got these, you got these dudes, like you said, is it we used to be like uh now you're hoping for a pill, but you took the deal. You see what I'm saying? Because it's a thing, like it's a thing where though if you did what you did and you know that the rules don't go wrong with nobody with a P. Diddy. That's the public defender. Like, don't go wrong with nobody with no P. Diddy. You can't, because the nowadays it takes you like 60, 50 to 60,000. Because a lot of dudes can't afford to be a killer.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:29

Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:30

Because you can't afford the lawyer that comes with it because you need an investigator, you need this, you need that.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:34

And then when you have the wrong, not even the lawyer, but the commissary on top of that. Yeah, sitting two, three years. That's like another phone, the commissary, the victim. But go with the 50.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:46

Yeah, you you're gonna need, like I said, it's like you need, if you know you're gonna take a deal, you done spent 50 on a deal, right? Now you gotta go upstate to do the dub. I mean, you're getting paid 14 cents an hour. You're getting paid the top dollar is 51 cent an hour. That means you're a top boy in a jail. 51 cent an hour. You you somebody, you done got a facility, you're getting 51 cents an hour, right? You know what I mean? You ain't getting eight hours a day, like the joint. You know what I mean? Sometimes you might do a little overtime. Ain't no such thing as a time and a half. No. But if you're on idle pay, you're getting 17 cents. Damn. You sit on idle pay. So you you you now you gotta you gotta go to this commissary and say, do I want to get some soup so I can eat, or do I want to get some soap so I can wash my ass? You know what I mean? Or do I want to get some deodorant? Because what's gonna happen is you know, out of sight, out of mind. Like the next you gonna pop up, and most of most of your homies gonna either join you, die, or fade off.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:35

Damn.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:35

You see what I'm saying? And that's say that again, say that again, what they're gonna do. Join you, die, or fade off you. You see what I'm saying? So at the end of the day, you also gonna have some chicks, you know, they on to the next. Like, you know what I mean? You think and then they're gonna say you're oh you oh, you won't mess with me no more. And then the judge broke us up. You heard that shit. Yeah, you got 20, you're gonna be there, I'm gonna be here. I'm not with the long distance relationships. Yeah, so you know what I mean. And then you stuck with your mom.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:57

Let's talk about that hold. Let me remind you catch you. Did you ever get some heartbreak while you was in there?

SPEAKER_01 1:34:01

I mean, of course. Everybody got Jody. Jody invaded everybody's house in that joint. You know what I mean? Jody is the boy that like hits everybody, girl. Like, you know what I mean? He's uh he's yeah, he's the tool. He's undefeated.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:11

I know, I know a guy like that, man. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:13

Like Joe, I know dudes done told because of Jody. Like, cause they like they so mad, like, man, I don't fucking I just want to get to Jody. You see what I'm saying? I didn't want to get back to hunting. And most dudes is telling, it's telling because they girl telling them, listen, either you coming home, I'm gonna fucking with Jody. So they're like, listen, I'm I'm going, I'm uh I mean, I gotta do it, I gotta do get to my family. You see what I'm saying? So this is the this is why I say females control a lot of the population. If if a chick closed her doors and her legs, it'd be a less like a lot like crime in the city. If she said you're gonna continue to do what you're doing out there, you can't come in here. Yeah, that would change a whole projective because half of these dudes is doing what they're doing, they ain't got no places to stay. You know what I mean? Stand with some chick in a section eight command or something, you know what I mean? Uh hiding up in somebody's house. Well, you gonna hide in the open? If you can't come in here, you can't get none of this, you can't do none of that. And then she ain't even gonna come see you once you get booked. Because they're gonna, if you get booked in her house, what they're gonna do is they're gonna come in there and say, Listen, Aiden in the bed, you going to jail too, and we're gonna take the kids. You know what she's gonna say? Because I know he stashed the gun and this, that, and the thing. She went, the gun is upstairs. I'm not talking to this boy no more. Like she's gonna block you, yeah, but she's gonna feel like you her excuse is you trying to get my kids taken. She knew she let you in, though.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:27

Exactly. She knew what you did. And you in jail, so she ain't worried about you coming and trying to get it.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:30

She ain't worried about you. She knows you book salad.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:32

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:33

You see what I'm saying? So it's like when you choose this game, man, just know that the stuff that's in front of you, don't think it's gonna be behind you when it's time for you to get booked. You know what I mean? It's two, three, three, three things gonna happen around the way. You're gonna be in the way, make a way, or you know what I mean, or get out the way.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:46

Yeah, you're gonna be in the way, make a way, or get out the way. One of the, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:35:50

That's what's going on.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:51

That's a hell of a uh statement there. So let me ask you this though, like, you know, we're talking about um, you know, people who get subject to losing their girls in jail or, you know, getting these situations where the girls move on. We understand how detrimental that is to the mental and people actually telling. Do you think that's the that's the main reason why people tell? That's the number one reason why people tell more than anything. No, I mean, because I'm like so.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:19

Built like that from the rip. They just getting down with the get down, whatever's the move, whatever car move, that's they just getting in it. That's what it is. A lot of dudes is like they subjected to the peer pressure, and then a lot of dudes is guilty by association based upon geographical location. Meaning this, like some dudes, every everybody with a gun ain't a shooter. But everybody with a gun going to jail when they hit that corner. Some of these young boys has got it because, like, I got from around here and I know when they spin the block, this is what it is. I'm from around here and I gotta make it home to go, I gotta go go home and make it back. So, you know, dudes dream of like, I remember where at one point in time dudes couldn't be waiting to be 21, so they can go to the casino or they can go to the liquor store. Now they want to make sure they're 21 so they get a legal gun because they want to be able to get that gun because they're like, listen, I know I need this in the streets of Philadelphia. So it's like, man, these dudes is telling a lot of, they got everybody got a lot of different reasons and philosophies of why they told, but don't get in the game if you can't handle the game because there's rules for the game. You know what I mean? So a lot of dudes just get in it thinking they're gonna win it, but when they lose, they cry the blues. So they they not really cry the blues, they're not really about that life from the beginning. You know what I mean? You see a lot of dudes start getting some money, and you're like, damn, sure they're getting money. I remember he used to play ball, he's really a ball player. But you know what I mean? Somebody passed the phone to him, and now he starts making some money. So now he like, you know, I mean, that's up. He's one of those guys now. Then when he gets locked up, he's up there killing a yard. He ain't nobody can stop him. You know what I mean? That's just what it is. But for real, for real, like he really ain't about that life. You see what I'm saying? So when they could when they start throwing them football numbers at him and his parole officer ain't even born yet, you know, that's a hard pill to digest. Damn, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:55

And then when your girls did it again, he gets you getting life, and your parole officer that you're gonna see when it's time for you to go, but it's not even born yet.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:02

Ain't even born left. You know what I mean? They're giving you, they giving you football numbers. You know what I mean? You know, who who won the game last night? Oh, Eagles beat them 52, didn't I mean 16? Like these are the numbers that you get in, and then at the end of the day, when them girls leave you, you gotta realize sometimes your seeds is associated with some of the girls. So some of these girls ain't your girlfriends, they're your baby moms. So now you're taking yourself out your kids' life for 25 to 50 years. So you're talking about some, you still trying to run the show from the joint. Let me put him on the phone. You got me, let me tell me, let me check my young boy. Young boy, like, man, come out, man. Like, you ain't not heading out of mine. Where were you at for my on my first football game? And the the the daughter's doing what she's doing, and she's doing what your mom was doing. You know, I already know what her mom was on. Her mom was on the last three niggas that you was on the phone with. You know what I mean? So, what you think daughter's gonna do? You know what I mean? She's teaching her what she's teaching her because what's gonna happen is it's either somebody, either you tably, somebody tablique and you it's either somebody you're gonna do what you see, you know what I mean, or do what you feel. Like, and if you see mom running dudes in and out of there, how you think her daughter gonna be?

SPEAKER_02 1:39:03

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:05

I watch my daughters and my sons go through Kodak. You know what I mean? That's when you had the polar boys. You know what I'm getting the pics coming in, and I'm watching all these different stages of light, you know, taller and taller and taller, and you know what I mean. I was fortunate enough to come home at at a crucial time, but at the end of the day, it's those days you just can't get back, man. Those daddy daughters dances and all that. Like, I got I got in a heavy argument in jail, right? Father's Day came up, and I said, Man, I don't think nobody in here deserve a Father's Day call.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:33

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:34

What you mean? I'm I'm with my kids, I'm on the phone, I'm doing that. Ain't nothing, bro. You do a little, you can't really help them with the homework. You can't really be there when when young boy is smacked upside the head or when he broke a heart that first time. She only wants to talk to you right there because you really you think you got the relationship, but that relationship is not on 15 minutes worth of phone calls. You see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06 1:39:56

Let me stop right there. So listen, y'all, July 18th, uh World Live Cafe, live event, tell us from the jails. I need everybody right now who's either listening or watching uh the video right now to go ahead and hit the like button. Smash the like button right now. Hit that like button, man. We appreciate y'all. Let me ask you this question. So we want to go back about the young bulls, right? You mentioned something about going up to, you know, fighting the um these homicides with a public defender um and the cost of hiring a lawyer. What they forget too is which is a real important aspect, is the lawyer has to get hired for multiple things, like the preliminary and then the actual trial.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:36

The preliminary 75 to a dime. And that's just to go in there to substantiate the evidence to see what they're gonna what they're gonna hold over. Chances are you beating a body from preliminary is slim to none. Yeah, you see what I'm saying? The goal with the preliminary is to get some of them charges dropped down. So if you if they automatically gonna hit you with with with murder one, they're gonna have to hit you up with first degree. You know what I mean? They're gonna hit you with will for killing, and that everything falls up under that. Exactly. You got first, second, and third. So the goal with the preliminary, the preliminary is like a mini trial for a murder. You know what I mean? You're trying to get as much evidence thrown out, much cases dropped down. So you want them to prove that you intentionally, you want your lawyer goal is to try to prove that you didn't intentionally set out to kill somebody. You know what I mean? Stuff something went left. Even if in some some lawyers is essentially trying to say you weren't there at all, but they still want to not make it look like you did it, but the way they said it, that's not how it, that's not it still doesn't prove that you intentionally did it if you did do it. And a lawyer wanted time for that. Somewhat 15 or call it, you know what I mean? Because that's the most crucial stage of your of your case. That preliminary hearing.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:41

Let me ask you a question. You got what you did you said you got you got a 20 to 40? That's what you got?

SPEAKER_01 1:41:44

No, I had my first sentence was a six and a half to fifteen. My second sentence was a flat 10. Then I had it in this middle of that, I just was waiting to go to trial and all that on there. So I did six and a half to fifteen and I did a 10 flat.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:58

How how did you feel when you when they gave you that six and a half to 15? What was going through your mind?

SPEAKER_01 1:42:01

Well, it started with an eight to twenty, so I had to get it running wild. So I've been I never forget, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:06

People don't know uh running what does running wild mean.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:09

Meaning every charge that you have, they don't gotta run them together. Like if you got a one to two, a two to four, a three to six, a one to two, or two to six, uh a four to eight, that can turn into a twelve and a half to twenty-five.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:22

Yeah, do the one to two first, then you do the two to four, then you do the two.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:25

But if you run it consecutive, that's when it runs like that. But when it's concurrent, meaning whatever the higher number is, that's what you got. You see what I'm saying? So in my situation, I had an illegal sentence. You see what I'm saying? Whereas though one of those charges had to run together legally. So the eight to twenty went down to the six and a half to fifteen. And the same thing when I originally got sentenced over New York, it started at like a 15. It started like a 15 or something. It was like, but then it had to get down to a 10 flag. So what happens is like I said, the give that time, man, you gotta you you gotta stand on that. You gotta stand on that time. And the lawyer won, like I said, want a check for every phase of it. You got your you got your pretrial, you got the you got the you got your your investigator. Your investigator got nothing to do with your lawyer. You see what I'm saying? Your investigator might be a dime by itself. And my lawyers is $350 an hour.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:17

Damn.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:18

So the time that they put on a case with a retainer. Because what happens is most dudes that go to go to preliminary, they spend everything they got on that preliminary hearing and don't got enough money to go to trial.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:30

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:30

Cause you done spent 10, you just spend 10 10 stacks on your preliminary hearing. Now they're coming back saying, well, listen, a jury trial gonna be $75,000. But you know what I mean? We go straight up with the judge, we can do that for $50.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:43

Shout out to the boy uh underscore Lil with the uh you know $49 uh $1.99 donation. Hey, uh, so young, man serious, I know you spoke about this before, because some dudes say they waving their preliminary. Is that is that smart to do that?

SPEAKER_04 1:43:55

So I don't I don't really know too much about waving your preliminary. I don't know. That's something new. When I was going to jail, there wasn't no waving your preliminary. You had to get in there and go to that preliminary. Okay. Like, there's a lot of things that go on with the state now that I ain't never seen before.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:07

You only wave your preliminary if it's gonna hurt you more than it's gonna help.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:11

Well, you know they get everything stacked against you, and you just wanna like I I seen a dude, right? Let me give you a good example, right? If all they charging with me is first degree murder, and I know I can prove that I didn't intentionally do it, I want to stand on that first degree, right? Because if I prove, even by my own testimony of that I did it, but this is the way it happened, and it in it's a good idea, it wasn't premeditated to third degree, I walk out the door because you didn't charge me with third. You only charge me with first.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:41

So I walk out the door.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:43

I can say you with third degree.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:45

No, no, once you go to trial, unless you beat it as a wrap. But if you get if you beat in the preliminary and they and you beat it without presence, they can come back and charge you.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:53

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:54

So that's why they said we only want to go through it. Let it stand where it's at, and that'll tell you to wave your preliminary. And a lot of dudes wave their preliminary and knew they're gonna cop out anyway. They probably done a lot of dudes done told already, or they didn't they done made a deal down the line. They taking a deal anyway, you know, and because you see dudes wave, they preset this investigation. PSI we call, right? But that PSI is the one with that paperwork we serve in the face, people want to see. God damn right. So people wave the PSI, you know, how do you wave your PSI for? That PSI gonna tell a story, it's gonna tell you a life story of mitigated circumstances and things like that, how you got to the point to do what you did. You know what I mean? Because sometimes it's mitigated circumstances that they look at. Like if you like you said, going back to the beginning of uh the whole beginning of this talk, right? We were talking about drug addicted parents and being it being in that drug of drug environment. How did you get to this point to become this murderer? You sometimes what what actually got into your mind? How did this you cultivate to become this stone cold kill? You know what I mean? But some people like you know, believe it or not, some people are born killers, exactly. And that's just what it is. They like this boy just is a born killer. You know what I mean? Some people really son of a gun. You know what I mean? The dad was a gun, and that's what he taught him.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:05

Yeah, you see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 1:46:06

And it's not really so much your fault, it is your fault because you may pull the trigger. But if they know this dude was your dad, and this is how he was raising you, and this is the environment that you was in, the judge take those mitigated circumstances into when he sentencing you.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:21

Pop was a cannon, so make me a son of a gun. Shout out to Black De Nero.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:24

So they'd be like, Yeah, that's my man Black. So they like, you know what I mean? That they'll they'll but they'll take those those type of circumstances into account when he sentenced you. Be like, yo, Shorty really ain't have a shot. Because I know a dude that literally, right, that was up there now fought with me. Like, he grew up pop, you know, the Badlands, you know, back when it was uh uh OK Corral Boys, you know what I mean, back then. And literally he started off, you know, they start off on the corner, hey Pope, man up, man up, and call the cops. They tell you they start from a young age. You ever go out there, you see them 10, 8 years old, telling them when the cops is coming, they riding up and down the street with their bikes, dropping off packages and everything. So he was actually trained from his family to be a killer. Wow, you know, and so what he did was he he felt so bad about the situations and and and like he just got on awakening one day and was like, man, look, he took drove himself to the case, he drove himself to the police station. You know who else did that too in New York? Black rod.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:25

Um bad boy he said, drove his stove to the police station.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:30

And then he got shot, right? No, he just drove to him like, man, this is I he it was on his conscience.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:34

Or he just went. Yeah, he went to himself, yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah, wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:38

Like this what and the board the Spanish one I'm talking about, he did that, right? And he went a step further. He also went and waived all his uh all his all his sentences, I mean all his appeals. He said, Man, many people, all the stuff that I did, he's like, Man, I'm a victim of circumstances. They brought him down to court. He had to come down to court because he was a juvenile lifer. And the judge was like, Man, listen, this poor had about 15 attempts, six murders. And the judge was like, what what really, really blew me up, blew me away with you is that you literally forgave and and and waived all your preliminary, all your appeal rights. He gave them up. He said, I don't want them. The judge was like, yo, he's like, yeah, I didn't do it because I did what I did and what the situation was, and I don't I deserve to be in prison. I why would I go back and have my life and I took so many people's life, right? The judge was like, it was so deep, the judge was like, Man, listen, I can't give you life because you was a juvenile. And then the the the the law then came down that everybody that's uh that that under the age, their brain is not fully developed at the age of 24. And it was like, listen, you was a kid when you did this. Like, and your your your history shows that you were literally cultivated and trained to be a killer. And he was like, he gave him 35 years, right? He ain't want that though. Like, you can keep me what I got. I'm not here to tell a story, I'm not here to tell you, ask for your release. I did what I did and I shouldn't have did it. But they had to give him 35 years.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:07

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:08

You know what I mean? That was deep.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:09

I mean, he got a question you always ask when we get to that because people want to hear about that. What's that question you always ask all the time, yeah?

SPEAKER_04 1:49:15

Well, and I'm quite sure you've seen your fair share of violence in prison. Um, by you being involved in something, or you just, you know, witnessing. But we just this is just a hypothetical question. And we like to talk about that, that, that, that knife and that lock and sock, right? Say you was in a conversation with another man, another convict. Y'all having words though. It ain't get too far. Niggas broke it up, whatever. You went, he went his way, you went your way. We probably at the TV, but you really think it's over. You ain't thinking nothing of it. Probably watching sports. You know how niggas be at the sports, they watching the ticker. Niggas be playing the tickets. Only thing niggas watching on that TV is the ticker. And the ticker is the little line that goes across the bottom with all the scores on it. Niggas you see every ticker there. You see everybody standing around the TV with their pads in their hand, writing them the scores. All fucking day long. This is what I love about football season anyway. So now, as a nigga, the nigga that you was arguing with, he's approaching you from the back. Right? Unbeknown to you. If he was going to attack you and it was going down, would you rather him, regardless if you might have turned around and 40 morphed or whatever, whatever, but he was going to attack you first before you got on your defense. Would you rather him had that knife and that knife or that lock inside? Which one would you rather him attack you with while you wasn't looking first?

SPEAKER_01 1:50:36

I won't want to attack with anything, but if I got an answer that, yeah, it probably would have been with that knife and that lock in the socket. That lock in sock they're gonna keep clocking. And lock in the sock, that joint wrapped around his wrist. That joint you wrapped that rock in the sock. That was my like that was like my drug of choice when I was a juvenile joint with the pool balls. But listen, but that joint right there, I'm talking about that joint. You don't even remember your name. And you can't, and it's he can keep swinging that. You got one swing. Because once you get that bang off, once you bang me, I'm banging off on you. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? If I bang off on you good enough, you know what I mean? You gotta be able to withstand that. Exactly. But that lock in the sock, you you're gonna be a little dizzy. That joint that joint, like you ever see uh the lad dragon, you see the lad dragon that boy hit his head on that on the on that pipe when the lad they go that's what you're gonna see. The stars, you still playing with that lock in the sock. That lock in the sock, man, was a is a dangerous sort. I mean, it's a dangerous, dangerous weapon, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:32

Like, you ever seen somebody get hit with locking sock in there?

SPEAKER_01 1:51:34

Man, I've seen a lot of people, I didn't hit a lot of people with locking sock. Like, I my thing, I said my lock and sock thing days was like in my juvenile joint with the pool balls.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:41

It wasn't a lock and sock the pool balls when they might be more devastating than the lock and sock.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:45

The two balls them eight balls is heavy. The one ball, the two balls, the three balls, eight lands and one of them, but you gotta be careful, you gotta have a good pair of socks too, because you don't want to join the break.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:55

That's why you got that lock. That's why it was the lock.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:58

I was so amazed when I went upstate up New York, right? Because up New York, they had get they get packages from the from the from the streets, right? They get packages from the streets. I thought you was telling my story. I thought somebody done slipped you like a note when you start saying you sitting there watching and joining the dude steal you. Because that's what happened to me one day, right? I'm sitting in the day room now. Every jail I used to go to, like, I always made the day room TV the sports TV. Every jail I go to, I'm like, listen, because they start watching reality shows, but they usually have one a movie room and a sports TV. That's supposed to be for sports and news only. So, but they'll they'll remix it. So I used to go and set my table up. I have a table here, my chair here, my coffee cup, my teacup. I sit there, and that's my seat, and I sit there and I remember doing that, watching the team. I'm playing cards. So now one day they was in there watching uh what's the that cop show? Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do? You're gonna come all day. And they're in there watching. First of all, I'm pissed off y'all here watching the cop show. Second of all, and remember, I could I normally had a remote. I normally had a remote. You see what I'm saying? So I let him use the remote to go and watch something because I was playing cards. But I knew at four o'clock that the uh the the summer league Olympic basketball was coming on, and I couldn't wait to watch Summer League, but I used to watch that and I used to watch uh because I was out of state, so I used to watch uh the PPA joint when there was the car when they was to put the tickets on there. So that was all my time as me to see Philly. I'm like, I had to see it. So like I'm sitting in there and I'm like, yo, turn it off, put the game on. So Spanish Boy, he like, uh, hold up one minute. I said, man, I told you you only gonna watch the joint until the game came on. Put the game on. So I get up, I grab the remote, I put the game on. I go back and play cards, like it's sweet. You know what I mean? I'm playing cards. Man, so while I'm sitting there playing cards, he well, he ain't have a lock in the side, he had the like the most weakest right hand in the world. Like this ball come from behind me and try to put and try to put the the the paws on me from the behind. Man, if well, if I already beat this ball from one side of the room up the up the the the the the uh the wall under the table through the microwave, like everything in the power he wore because I felt like first I was already mad. I was supposed to get a visit that dad and I didn't get it, so I'm cooked. I'm I'm already mad. So he was just the perfect outlet, especially when you couldn't fight. That even made even worse, you know. I mean, but he caught himself trying to steal them like he had his little homies in there, and they was all like, ain't nobody getting in there, like you shouldn't have stolen, like you shouldn't have stolen. We can't fight, yeah. So he stole man, he had to have the nerve to have shower shoes on.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:32

Yeah, he's playing around.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:33

You know, shout them flip-flops. I don't see how young was walking around in them. Yeah, I'm I mean that's like the most day. That's the most important thing. That was the most the first rule you taught. That was put when I went to Holmesburg, right? Know how my you know, my my my shout out to my old my my cousin Raynard. You know how he taught me about shower shoes. He walked up to me with a pair of Tim's on and stepped on my foot. I'm talking about like stepped on my foot. I'm talking about like four man, I hit the ground and I'm rolling. I'm like, so what you he like? So he like, I'm like, what the hell are you doing? I'm mad, I'm angry, I'm like, I want to stab you, I'm so mad. He like, so what you gonna do if a war kicked off? That's all they had to do. Ain't nobody had to do nothing to you. Could just step with you, that took the whole fight out of you. Yeah, it literally didn't.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:19

That's a no-no to where them shower shoes.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:21

No, and he stole me with shower shoes on.

SPEAKER_06 1:55:24

Let me ask you a question, though, because I I I I know we get a little pressure. But a question, so you know, um, you know, after getting your sentence, and then you know uh you're about to come home. Uh how was that for you, like you know, and that you're about to be released after all this time, all these stories, everything you had going on, knowing that you're coming home back to back to society, how was that for you?

SPEAKER_01 1:55:42

It was it was deep, man. Like, because listen, my story a little bit different, right? My story is this, like, I've really got a like a real spiritual awakening, like when before I came home. Because, like I said, normally in jail, I was doing everything in jail that I was doing outside of jail. So, like I said, I had a package coming in, I had gambling tables, you know what I mean. I'm run ripping and running, I'm doing my thing, like, you know what I mean? I'm doing everything else. So what happened was my sister, she my sister, God bless, you know what I mean, Raheem in law, she had like literally, she had lupus. I was her kidney donor, right? This is the story, right? So in the pr process of me when I was home being her kidney donor, I got booked. You know what I mean? So during the process of me getting booked, they I got booked in PA, they shipped me out to New York, you know what I mean? Some stuff I had to handle about New York, and now during the process, she was getting sicker and sicker, right? So she had literally, literally was waiting on me to come home to be her kidney donor because we was a match. So when I finally get they wouldn't let me do it from New York, they were saying I was too dangerous of enemy to ship from New York to Philadelphia, state to state to do it, and they wasn't allowing it because of my custody level. Again, I kept getting a bunch of dumb stuff. But my custody level was sky high. So when I finally got and was able to make parole from but my thing was before that, like you say, how my mind, this is called cognitive thinking, changing your way of thinking. So in the print process, and when I started like thinking about watching my kids and all that, this, that, and the third. And I I also got I was getting conjugal visits over New York. So I had a little young boy on the way. So I'm like, I can't come home and do the same thing that I was doing before. For one, I just left my sister stranded, needed my kidney. I got kids out here. Now, this young boy that I got coming now, I want to at least be there every day for him. You know what I mean? I want to I want to be a dad. I don't want I don't want to be the boy that said that it's in there, like I said, don't deserve Father's Day. I want to really change the project. And I had young, young boys, like my son, Lil' Rick. I had Jacir, I had Raka. They were young boys growing up at 11. I'm like, I gotta be there to save them because I got my feet dirty to keep their clean. So I had to make sure I can get there to stop them from the end of the cycle. Like I told you about to happen with me and my dad. Like I don't want them to be the next one meeting in the yard, you know, dig my brother, digging my dad. I ain't want that no more. So I changed my way of thinking and I started writing programs like criminal addicted thinking, thinking for a chain. I'm writing all these programs in jail and changing my life. You know what I mean? So when I finally made it back to Greatest Ford, you know, they came and they came and extradited me from New York, sent me back to Greatest Ford so I could do my state time. And when I get back to Greatest Ford, I'm there like three days. They call me to the chapel and tell me, like, listen, we're gonna pour the plug. Your sister's sick again. This time we're gonna have to pour the plug. So that was like, yo, that was like, yo, that was life changing. Mind you, they told me when I was in New York that my grandma who raised me, right? My grandma who raised me, they took they came to me while I was in a hole and told me, you know, she had a couple days left, she was dying. Nobody never told me she was sick of cancer and none of that. Nobody never told me when I was in jail because they kept saying, I'ma act crazy, I'm gonna start me. So they they tell me right when she died, I can't get on the phone and that because I'm in I'm in the hole. So I'm administrator to the hole then. So I wasn't able to get on the phone. My grandmom died, I go over there, you know. Like that's when I got sentenced, they said ten years, I'll do that on my head. I said, you know what I mean? But nobody tells you when you get sentenced that this type of shit is about to start happening. Yeah, you're not gonna tell you you're gonna get a phone call, get on the phone with your daughter, and she's in tears because her mom boyfriend tried to do something to her. You know what I mean? Nobody's gonna tell you that that your grandmom, you're gonna lose your grandmom, the one that you love the most in this world, gonna leave it. Your only little sister's gonna die because you left the streets and you was our only kidney donor to be able to get it back. She wasn't able to get a kidney and she got so sick that she couldn't go no more. Nobody tells you these stories. So my mindset was listen, I'm not letting nobody to count on me be disappointed again in life. So I start changing the way I was thinking first. You know what I mean? To get my mindset because I told you before early on, when I was going home, my whole thing was I knew what I was gonna do. I'm going out here and get some money.

SPEAKER_06 2:00:01

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:02

But this time, I'm like, I'm going out here and change the narrative. I'm gonna be that beacon of light because everybody knows me for one thing and they they they they're looking for me to do that. I'm gonna show them that you can do something different, exactly, and still be successful.

SPEAKER_06 2:00:14

So now, uh just to speak about that, you you home now. Uh, what is it that you actually doing? What we can people find out, you know, and they got a nonprofit that you that you're you're doing and a lot of different events you're doing. How can people be a part of your events or how can people find your uh your events or things you're a nonprofit?

SPEAKER_01 2:00:31

Now I'm the executive director of three holistic nonprofits in the city. One in South Philadelphia, 1212 South Raw Street, one in North Philadelphia, 925 North Road Street, and I got a location at West Philadelphia, 4077 Lancaster Avenue. Okay. So, you know, you know, what we're doing is we're early initiative intervention and prevention services, so we can start sending more kids to Penn State and keep them out the state. Penn in generational curse, create generational wealth. You know, the goal was to surround these young people with real models, not role models playing a role, but people they can relate to in real time, realistically, reality and real life. People that they look up to that they used to think was, you know, they, you know, they used to think that, you know, I mean, this dude was one of those. And he's still one of those, but he's doing the right thing now. You know, I mean, shows like this, you know, giving them, you know, a beacon of light at the end of the tunnel. So we're working through that. So we were on Instagram at no mo underscore foundation. My Instagram is at Mr. Dotnomo. Like I'm going around the city now. I go around the country right now.

SPEAKER_06 2:01:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:30

You know, I literally go around the country and I have a consultant company, you know. I mean, I go around the country and I'm literally teaching the teachers, you know, I mean, showing them what credible messages look like, you know, showing them how to create a program to meet the kids where they are, you know what I mean? So you can be able to speak the language of the people and you know, and and not get away from the the real narrative because I realized that, you know, if we ain't got a if listen, you either gonna have a seat at the table or you're gonna be on the menu. You know, and people say a lot of stuff, I had to find myself diving in a diving into politics a little bit, not if not to run for nothing, but to make sure that the people that's running is running for us.

SPEAKER_06 2:02:05

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 2:02:06

You see what I'm saying? Because if you don't do politics, politics is gonna do you. So it was a whole thing of me coming home with a with a big agenda. You know what I mean? Sometimes you can you your social economic could supersede anything you can put in your pocket. So I knew I had to make the right connections and be involved with the right people, do the right things, so I can create, you know what I mean, open the doors for those that come behind me. You know what I mean? First and foremost will be my house for the starts at home.

SPEAKER_06 2:02:30

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 2:02:30

You know, I know I had to give my kids, I know they heard the stories. You see what I'm saying? I know they heard the rumors, you know what I mean? And I know that they probably, I don't know what vision they had. I had to show them that listen, you ain't gotta do what dad did, you ain't gotta go where dad went. You know what I mean? But dad's gonna show you what to do and how to do it right now. You know, so we're teaching financial literacy, workforce development, you know what I mean, trauma-informed care, giving them holistic approaches, providing them with housing stability because we know the insecurity of housing creates violence within itself. Exactly. You know what I mean? Because one thing you wanna know why I travel the world, because I know we know that I don't got all the I don't got all the answers. You know what I mean? And one thing you're gonna know, you know what I mean, inj un unresolved justice anywhere is injustice everywhere.

SPEAKER_06 2:03:16

If you could tell people your um, you know, your your platform, you know, where they can, your Instagram, you know, whatever you, you know, have going, how they can contact you and reach out to you. Maybe they might want to donate or be a part of something you have going. How can they reach? How can they get in contact with you?

SPEAKER_01 2:03:28

Again, I told you, it's at nomo underscore foundation is our business page. Mr. Dotnomo, Mr. Dot underscore nomo, that'll be myself. We on a website and we either hashtag hashtag ww.nomofoundation.org. Or just pull up, man, because everything is not about a monetary donation. Sometimes your skill level, you know what I mean? Being able to learn the trade or something you have. That's called in-con services. You know what I mean? Being able to pass or putting a real model in front of them. Not just, I don't want no jail stories. Like we we leave as jail stories here on these couches. But when you come in front of these young people, because they don't give a who you used to be, what you do, what's happening now. Bringing adamant and bringing fruitful resources to these young people. Don't come tell them about what you're going to do or what you know about with all that. Come show them better than you can tell them. You know what I mean? Bringing some real meat to the table because I try to all my young people, I want to incentivize them. You know what I mean? It's one thing about to watching the you know, the rabbit run the race. But when you put a carrot in front of them, they run a little bit stronger and harder. There's no way you can tell that young boy that's out there scrapping and scraping the big just to get a cheesesteak. Okay, I'm gonna take that cheesesteak away from you and I'm gonna substitute that with a oodle and noodle. No, you gotta be able to substantiate what you're doing. So if you're gonna replace that cheesesteak, at least have a burger. You know what I mean? He don't know that you provided freedom to him. You know what I mean? But sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to get to where you gotta get to.

SPEAKER_06 2:04:48

Man, appreciate that, man. So that's a that's a lot of information and that's a lot of, you know, that that just shows that, you know, we have to, you know, come together and have unity because that at the end of the day, you know, the children are the future. And the people that look up to us, they need to have that guidance. And like you said, so sometimes you can lead the jail stories right here. They want to have something more tangible. They want you to be more hands-on as far as you know, uh uh what you what you're bringing to the table as far as uh you know, helping cultivate them, teaching them teaching them new things, how to cope with the uh the realities of life. Um, so uh for you, man, uh we're about to get up out of here, but for you, uh, is it any you know last message you want to put out there to the people, man? For those who are watching, the young adults, uh, you know, people that's in the chat, you know, anybody around the world, maybe because you know, people may see this on the West Coast, you know, East Coast, you know, as you can see, Canada, you know, or the UK, people are watching from all over. Um, what can you say, or what last piece of advice you may have for them?

SPEAKER_01 2:05:46

I'm gonna tell people this, man. Like, be you. You know what I mean? Be you, be the authentic you. You know what I mean? Because everybody can't be the next somebody else. You know, and don't let the hate discourage you. Because the hate is gonna come because everybody wants to be the next you or want the spot that you got. Exactly. You know, it's a spot for everybody. You know what I mean? Disregard the haters, and and in the way this does this work get really polluted, is we got people that's allowed, we got it like a crab in a barrel type in the mentality. We got people that's allowing people to you know piss on somebody else's name to get a line of fame. You see what I'm saying? So my advice to everybody will be like, be the best you, man, be the best you, and you don't need a building, you don't need an organization. It starts with you. You are your brain. You know what I mean? If you deal with one young boy on the corner, that can change the life of 10 young boys. Because again, on most of our recruiting, the things that we do is by word of mouth.

SPEAKER_06 2:06:44

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:44

You see what I'm saying? Be that old head that somebody feels like they can talk to. And you ain't gotta be an old head, be that young boy, be that friend, that accountability partner that somebody can come to. You know what I mean? Don't be afraid to say no. Don't be afraid to say no. You see what I'm saying? I think Wallow got a book, great book out of just read it. Don't be afraid to say no because sometimes, you know what I mean, a weak no makes room for a heavy yes. You see what I'm saying? So always add value to value. If you don't add value to value, devalue your value. Keep your iron sharp and arm, don't be afraid to be the dumbest person in the room, man.

SPEAKER_06 2:07:16

I've been practicing that no real good lately, man. Yeah, I'm feeling good doing it too. I used to say I say yeah, I say yes to so much. Yeah. So now that I be saying no, I feel good. I'm saying no.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:26

And make them the yeses count, man.

SPEAKER_06 2:07:28

Yeah, because they gotta be gotta, you know, gotta give some no's and mix them in with the yet, with the yes. Well, well, mix them in with the yeses. Yes. Saying yes too much. Hey, broke, a fool and his money shall part. Um, so uh, young, anything you want to say before we get about that, young?

SPEAKER_04 2:07:42

Nah, they already know what I want to say. I'm ready, go. We've been up here a long time, and they know what it is. They know what it is, man. They know they gotta think, man. Be mindful, be aware, man. Well, is it even hump day yes? It's still the beginning of the week. My mind kind of a little burnt out today, but man, think, man. Do the right thing, man. Be mindful for the people in front of you, behind you, and all around you, man. Take that extra three to five seconds to think. Like I always tell you, it could ruin your life or cause you to save your life. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 2:08:10

And last but not least, always remember remember this, man. Eat the best way you can eat, man, but don't die of starvation. But at the same time, oatmeal better than the jail meal. Don't step over a dowel to pick up a penny.

SPEAKER_06 2:08:21

Wow. So listen, y'all, uh, once again, man, I'm gonna make this announcement, man. Before y'all go, make sure everybody hit the like button, please. We got a lot of people in the chat. We're trying to get the show to uh the next level. Only way we can do it is with uh y'all's participation and hitting that like button and subscribing and becoming members. We appreciate that. Also, live event, July 18th is gonna be our first live event, July 18th at the World Live Cafe. Gonna have myself there, my guy gonna be there, this guy is gonna be there. Uh, we're gonna be there in full effect, you know, with a with a great show. Hopefully, everybody can come out and show support. I want to thank y'all once again, all those who've been supporting us on Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio, uh Spotify. Um, our numbers are great. You know, we're getting a lot of great feedback uh from those platforms and um actually it's helping us uh get um notoriety. So thank you guys for supporting us. Um, I want to give a shout out to TNS Media Group for assisting us. Also, I want to give a shout out to the guys here that's behind the scenes who're making everything work for us. I want to thank you.