SY MONEY BAGS : TALES FROM THE JAILS LIVE !!!!

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SPEAKER_06 3:37

First of all, I want to think everybody who's been tuning in to Tell us from the Jails. And listen, we need everybody to do something for us. If you really like what you see on Tell us from the Jails, you're really interested in what you see on Tell us from the Jails, we need you to go to YouTube at Tells from the Gels and become a member. Subscribe as well, but also become a member. That way you can get, you know, up. What's up? What's up, everybody? I know what it is. It's Tells from the Gels. We're here live in partnership with Say TNS Media Group is a team in the family. I got my counterpart, Mr. Braheem Jackson, and we got a special guest. You know, none other than Sab Money. Round two. We had Sab here before. We apologize. We went through a whole transition and we had a crazy interview. You know, but I don't think it's gonna be better than this interview. I think we're gonna probably you know go over the top with this one. What's up, sir? What's going on with you? I'll be seeing you out there, riding past, I've been seeing you out there hustling, you know. You know what I mean? Hugging a black got the corner uh going crazy, you know. Everybody who don't know, I know a lot of y'all probably know for those who don't know. Uh we got Siz Place.

SPEAKER_03 4:45

Palace.

SPEAKER_06 4:45

I'm sorry, Sides Palace, excuse me, Sides Palace on Ridge. What's the address again?

SPEAKER_03 4:49

2832 Ridge Avenue.

SPEAKER_06 4:51

2832 Ridge Avenue, best food in the city. We got you got the best turkey wing. I always get the teriyaki turkey wings and all that down there with the you know, I can't go there too much because I'll be 300 pounds, but I go there all the time, man. What's up with you, Side? What's going on? How you feeling? How's everything? How's life treating you?

SPEAKER_03 5:09

I'm daylight. I ain't complaining. I'm good.

SPEAKER_06 5:12

Well, we know this podcast, we this podcast, we talk about, you know, the reality of prison. And unfortunately, you serve time in prison. We're not glorifying it in no way. We're not up here promoting people to go to prison. We understand prison is oppression. Prison is a place that it's not good for anybody to be there in no way, shape, form, or fashion. And you were banned from the city of Philadelphia. You ended up going to prison.

SPEAKER_03 5:38

And federal prison.

SPEAKER_06 5:40

Federal pen, uh, the federal prison. Not this, not the state, but the the feds.

SPEAKER_03 5:44

Feds, a whole different ball game. Autumn lettuce, ATF, all of them, autumn. That's who kicked the door down.

SPEAKER_06 5:50

And you got a real interesting story because and uh last, I don't I don't want to give too much of it. I'm gonna let you let you let you tell it, but so let's let's get into this. Uh uh, where you from where you from originally?

SPEAKER_03 5:59

Nine pin jefferson and 19th and Jefferson, Lord.

SPEAKER_06 6:03

So um, you know, 19th and Jefferson, you know, what caused you to become a criminal? So what happened? What's going on? What was going on?

SPEAKER_03 6:11

I mean, I feel like it's inevitable. It's inevitable growing up in the streets of North Philadelphia. But um my oh no, it sounded like it wouldn't have. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_06 6:22

Yeah, just once you start talking, it'll just pick up, but you'll get used to it.

SPEAKER_03 6:25

All right. But um, yeah, so just running around the streets uh of North Philly, it was inevitable. I started out as a booster. Well, let's go back to the home front, first and foremost. Um, there was some division. My mom and my uh stepfather had separated once we moved from 4th and 100 and the 19th and Jefferson, uh, and there was no more stability in the house. Um, and everybody was branching off doing their own thing, and I felt like everybody forgot about little old me, so I had to make a way for myself. Um, when it came to getting clues and just the minor stuff, I wasn't fed or any of that stuff. I had to fend for myself because everybody was out doing them.

SPEAKER_06 7:10

Now you you mentioned a crazy point and a great point, stability within the home. Me and him talk about that all the time as well, like stability within the home and how important it is. Because once that stability breaks within the household, whether if it's the mom separated from dad or dad separated from mom, one of the parents are left left on their own, so there's no stability. There's nobody there to really watch the kids or to take care of the kids because mom was always working or dad's always working, so it's no, you know, uh, I'll say no chemistry as far as keeping the house together. And ultimately what happens is a lot of times kids do what? Spill out into the streets.

SPEAKER_07 7:43

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 7:44

Some go to jail, some get killed, some make it, you know, but it's you know, when it's no stability, the chances are are really, really slim. Would you agree, yo?

SPEAKER_05 7:52

I agree, but I'm more intrigued with the woman part of it as far as you know, you you expect a little boy that when there's no stability in a house, a little boy going out there getting in trouble for a girl now. That's like, damn, you're already with the bullshit too. Like a lot of people think girls can't come from that. You understand? You get what I'm saying? So like you say, like I say, it's a lot more men in prison than it is women. But women do please be mindful that they have a prison for women.

SPEAKER_01 8:20

Yeah, they do.

SPEAKER_05 8:21

And women is going to jail, they're getting life sentences, they're getting 20, 30 years, but it's overlooked because of how the you know the man is constantly in prison, especially in our black communities. But when you got a sister that went through it, stood on what she stood on, had to go, and then they go through the same thing that we go through in a in a in a in a in them broken homes and no stability, like y'all say. But it's more intriguing for me to hear it coming from a woman like damn. What the what you had to fight against, what you had to do, what was your ups and downs?

SPEAKER_03 8:48

It's a lot worse for women though in prison because um ain't no niggas knocking down the door for visiting them visiting rooms in the uh female facilities be light. And if anything, is the grandmothers, maybe a sister, a grandma.

SPEAKER_06 9:05

What about the dudes though? Do the dudes come and see their girls?

SPEAKER_03 9:07

Oh no, what that's that's that's what she was saying.

SPEAKER_06 9:09

It's not it's like it's nobody. You said it knocked out.

SPEAKER_03 9:13

About two and three, sprinkle the bungalow. Maybe a brother or uncle.

SPEAKER_06 9:18

That's it. But what what normally what happens, and this is from this is just my opinion. What happens when the house breaks down and the the family become divided? Normally when girls spout to the street, they they they don't really more so they don't really end up in not a lot of times they end up in jail. They might end up pregnant, you know what I mean, struggling with kids, uh, or maybe in an addiction of drugs and so forth and so on, opposed to actually going to jail. Um and the the boys, not time out of ten, when it's it's unfortunately what? They get killed or go to jail or go to jail, more so than not. And it's and it's just crazy. Um now you after your household was was broken, you ended up going out into the streets and you and what was it that you was doing initially?

SPEAKER_03 9:58

I started boosting. I started um I started boosting. Um, well, let me say. It was some old heads in the neighborhood that was doing it, so I would go on route with them, and then I um made my way down uh South Philly for the summers out Wilson, and um it was a lot different. You know, um the game that I received from down there to get uh it it elevated my um criminal activity uh in terms of boosting. They was doing stuff that wasn't being done up north.

SPEAKER_06 10:35

Like what? Like what exactly?

SPEAKER_03 10:36

You know, the alarm bags, they had the gadgets and all of that removers and all of that stuff. You know, they elevated my my criminal criminology.

SPEAKER_06 10:45

Oh, yeah. So they was they would they was hip.

SPEAKER_03 10:46

They had they was different down there.

SPEAKER_06 10:48

They had to get the alarm off with the moment of foil and all that crazy stuff.

SPEAKER_03 10:52

See down north where um my sister had put me on to the like strawberries back in the day. We used to go in there with the big sneaker box boxes, and you go in the uh dressing room, put all the stuff in the boxes, and then you walk out with that. Uh not down there. Yo, I had a friend.

SPEAKER_06 11:11

I'm gonna cut you. I had a guy that I know that's the boost, right? Uh huh. He's always say, the way to not get courted is go in there and just take your private parts out, and they can't watch you. I was like, I never said go in there. He said that's the way it's but shout out to Pete Gutty. He's always saying that all the time that go in there and take it private because they can't watch you no more inside the locker room inside the um the dressing room. I never was good. I never was good at that stuff. That's the first time I ever heard that.

SPEAKER_05 11:39

Take your private parts out there. You got that nigga over there. Don't let me pull this joint out. This is looking good. I don't know what that was. Go in there and pull your gym tubes out there and look at the losses.

SPEAKER_06 12:01

But anyway, so you you you you got with you know, people from South Philly who was more uh I'll say uh more advanced as far as you know knowing how to work their way around the actual those ink, those ink. I don't think they even do them no more.

SPEAKER_03 12:14

The the uh ones where you take it off and the ink journals don't really go off. It's the uh the uh you know I'm not here for that.

SPEAKER_05 12:22

Yeah, disclaimer, please disclaimer right now.

SPEAKER_03 12:27

But yes, so yeah, that okay.

SPEAKER_06 12:31

So, but anyway, so that that that enhanced your you know ability to you know get around these types of alarms if I hang with these different people, and then from there, where'd you go from there as far as you know your criminal activity?

SPEAKER_03 12:43

Um I started pushing TVs up, I started going into people's places with the getting they smocks from they little uh uh what is it, they um they like the break rooms and all of that. But I'm I'm working like them.

SPEAKER_06 12:59

Wow, excuse me, wow.

SPEAKER_03 13:00

So moving out the stuff.

SPEAKER_06 13:03

Wow. So you you started just going, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 13:07

Elevating elevating inside.

SPEAKER_06 13:09

So now you got into something more real, more a little bit more intricate, more more serious. How let you explain to where it is. Let's talk about that. So what happened? What happened, sir?

SPEAKER_03 13:21

So uh I had went on, I had gone on route with uh I started uh dealing with this guy who was older than me, but I was also going on route and in the midst of us um dealing with each other, I ended up getting booked out uh 309 for um they called this strong arm robbery. But what happened was we was going into the uh arcade machines and taking the money and stuff out. So while my my homie down there and he jimmy in the machine, the girl ran out and she like uh start calling for help. And then so I'm telling him, like, we out, so we go to hit the door. She's standing, she's standing in the door, like and he tussling with her. She bony. I flip her, you tripping, get the fuck out. And we we um we jump in the car, we gone. We going down 309, they jump right on us. So everything we had, we was able to stash, but they still took two of us. The person that actually was in the joint, they didn't take him, they end up taking uh my guy, not noodles. So we end up not noodles. Yeah, that's my guy. Uh we end up going um to MCC.

SPEAKER_06 14:24

Hold on, how much is this not from Dunda Blum?

SPEAKER_03 14:27

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 14:28

That's his cousin, P. Getty. I'm talking about that's crazy. That's not noodles cousin, uh, MP. All right, but go ahead. So yeah, that's who told me that.

SPEAKER_03 14:38

Yeah, so we end up um getting booked. And while we was booked, the um the guy that I was dealing with um slid up to see me. He said, Damn, I never knew what you did for a living, but now that I know, I don't want you doing that no more. My whole thing is like, nigga, you tripping. That's how I get no money. I don't know what you're talking about. I'll be back at him as soon as I get out of here. But um, I end up coming home and he uh that weekend we end up going out of town. So while we out of town and we talking, he like uh we sitting outside of a uh a small little bank, and you know, he like asking me questions like Did you see the lady pull up? Did you see this? Did you see that? He basically we casing the joint and I ain't even peeping because he just keep asking me all these questions, but that's what we was doing in hindsight. So he ended up saying, like, you'll be scared to ride one of these though, don't you? Whoa, give me a you tripping uh immediately. So he started laughing and he said it us a bit, but like, no, we got active almost immediately because I was on it. Um absolutely, let's have it.

SPEAKER_06 15:38

Um now to get into that. We all know when you first you know doing those type of you know situations, is it's a bit of a a rush.

SPEAKER_03 15:47

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_06 15:48

Describe for us the first time you actually, you know, I mean went in there and and that adrenaline.

SPEAKER_03 15:53

I man, it's really it's crazy. It's let's talk about the first one.

SPEAKER_06 16:04

What's going on? Let's talk about whatever you ask.

SPEAKER_03 16:07

I don't want to I don't want to make it seem like it I'm glorifying it, but the rush that comes from it is so it's a fact, it's a reality. Oh my god. The the the dopamine that releases is insane. Um like I know people that get jitters and butterflies and all of that stuff from fear. Mine's was pure excitement because nigga, I just got all this bread. Like, I don't gotta sell nothing to nobody, I don't gotta do nothing. I just got all cash, and everybody went home. Ain't nobody that like I ain't had to put nobody down, ain't nobody died, everybody went to their respectful homes. Um, but it was like uh I could do that all the time. Like the feeling was like so invigorating and empowering. That's the reality.

SPEAKER_06 17:00

Um if you can because you know, I know we we reformed, nobody's out here breaking the law no more.

SPEAKER_03 17:06

But absolutely, I fried chicken and fish and shit. Yeah, and turkey wings, you know what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_05 17:12

Macaroni, but in turkey way. In turkey wings to make queen, you're good.

SPEAKER_03 17:18

If I wasn't if I was coming from the store, I promise you, it was in my mind this morning. I'm like, when I leave the store today, I was gonna bring y'all some food, but it didn't work out that way. I'm coming from a whole nother Yeah, you're hustling.

SPEAKER_06 17:28

Yeah. So, all right, so this first this first is this first incident. I know these things. I think before we talk about like this, you gotta stick them out. How how was the actual preparation for this first sting or what or this first job you did?

SPEAKER_03 17:44

So um it probably was like it was only like two days to be honest. No, no, it was three. It was three days we um sat and seen the comings and goings, like knowing when uh the people, because it only makes sense if there's money there, right? And you assume that there's always money there, but when their big drops come, like when the um Brinks trucks and all of them is coming, then you know that's a money day. Bam, that's the best day to hood it. And it was like literally right after that. So it was like uh it was a great day, man. Um, there was no uh bystanders, there was no people around, and that's all the stuff, uh, you know, looking for cameras and stuff in the area and all of that type stuff. Um, like of course, you don't go back the same way you come, so we did all of that little stuff.

SPEAKER_06 18:36

Like Describe for us if you can, like just walking into the door, walking into the place. What was the what did you what was the first thing you saw when you walked in?

SPEAKER_03 18:47

Uh all I saw was that was on them, be honest. Um the lady had to come from behind the um counter to unlock the front door, which left the other door where the money is wide open. She has to walk back to that. We going there together, Sting. That's the reality. We walk to that motherfucker together. I, you know, this ain't about you.

SPEAKER_06 19:12

Just and normally people don't when whenever it's a robbery like that, they don't you but you really get somebody who try to fight for something that's not theirs, really.

SPEAKER_03 19:19

No, no, I've I've been fortunate enough to not run into that. I've heard about it happening, but I've been fortunate enough to not run run into that. The the only situation I ran into that really irritated me was like the lady who kept crying, don't kill me, don't kill me. Her dog was barking. I hate animals. Yeah, I'm talking about dog, I don't care.

SPEAKER_06 19:39

What they be talking about the dog hate animals doing robberies, don't robberies, she can do it.

SPEAKER_03 19:45

Listen, I hate animals, but she got a dog in there. I'm scared to death for real for real, but I ain't gonna show her old dog that because what? I've been hit the bus of this dog ass. I'm scared to death, and it was like a little drunk too. It was a little dog too. I'm like, get your dog, like shut the fuck up. Like, y'all both they was both cooking me. I ain't lying. I was sticking her in the dog. I just wanted them to shut the fuck up. Put these zip ties on the dog because I need him to be like zip ties. Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_06 20:13

So get him out of here. So you get so you get away with the first the the first one, the first uh job, and you said it's like a a rush, unlike the other. And you get back, and how much was the the uh I'll say the the first pot as far as what y'all got from that first job? How much was it?

SPEAKER_03 20:35

The um the first split was like 28, I believe, like 28 grand a piece.

SPEAKER_06 20:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 20:41

And um then, so the person who originally found the drum, we had to, I think we all had to give him like 1500 apiece. Or something like that. It was something like something like so.

SPEAKER_06 20:53

From there, now you off to the races. Yeah, you know, I mean you got drafted. Now you now you in the league. It was on and it's time to you know become a uh an all-star.

SPEAKER_03 21:04

When we land down there, it's like thank when we going again.

SPEAKER_06 21:08

Going through it.

SPEAKER_03 21:10

When we going? When we going back out.

SPEAKER_06 21:12

Yeah. So you ended up getting, I'm I'm assuming a lot better at doing these, these, these, these jobs or these ropes. Pull the mic close to you, Kim. Just put just you can you can sit back. No, that's cool. You should yeah, yeah, but did you end up uh doing more of these actual robberies? Um how many, I don't know if you you want to if you want to answer, you can answer, you want to answer. Well, I well, well, I'll say this then. So as as you're doing, you're beginning to get more comfortable now, you're moving around now, it's to the point where as though is is it became a lifestyle for you.

SPEAKER_07 21:45

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 21:46

And did you ever see yourself stopping?

SPEAKER_03 21:49

Like it's nothing that made me wanna, nothing that happened along the way that made me. Now I will say that I stopped going in. Because it was too much of a risk. You know, um but that was it. Like, but to say I would've stopped, I absolutely positively would not have stopped if them people ain't come. I there was nothing that mm mm it's too good, it's too beneficial, it's too lucrative, it's too simple. It was like literally three minutes. It don't even take that long. Like, no, thank you. They had to knock on that door.

SPEAKER_06 22:24

And doing these um and doing these uh hey Nigel, hope you not you're not lying, man. I don't cut you off. He said the signatures got Jalen Brown, you probably talking crazy, but uh so during these these robberies, right? It was it came a time when you when you got uh arrested for this. Can you describe what happened uh for you become arrested?

SPEAKER_05 22:47

With the how that day was from the wake up to always arrested.

SPEAKER_03 22:51

I'm talking about and I just had a ball too. I think I had just got a charger. I had just um went to the rusty now probably like the day before. I was like having a ball.

SPEAKER_05 23:02

You was on the tear.

SPEAKER_03 23:03

You see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 23:04

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 23:05

I had a ball. I couldn't believe them people can't. My mom called me. It was like, so uh one of my childhood uh friends had killed himself and his baby mom. And his childhood girlfriend, which was my cousin, she was away at college. So I ended up driving up there probably like five o'clock in the morning. I'm talking about they just missed it. Um I ended up driving up there at five o'clock in the morning. I went to my mom's house, dropped my daughter off, hate her there with my mom, and um drove up to the college to go see my cousin to make sure she was cool. Was in classes with her and everything. And these people in there kicking the door.

SPEAKER_05 23:42

That's your mom's grill.

SPEAKER_03 23:45

Yes, they did. That lady called me and said, people here. What people?

SPEAKER_05 23:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:50

What the hell you mean with people? The line went blank. What the hell? What's going on?

SPEAKER_05 23:58

So they was there, they was there. Yeah. When your mom called?

SPEAKER_03 24:01

Mm-hmm. So I ended up calling a million and sixty-two people out the whole block. They said, I got so many fucking cops out here.

SPEAKER_05 24:08

This is what they're telling you on the phone.

SPEAKER_03 24:09

I'm like, well, what kind of cops is it? Because I knew I had the Montgomery County stuff, but I'm like, damn, I ain't doing court for a couple days. Um Jig. Jig said, Oh no, these these ain't Montgomery County. This this um the closest she got. She said, That's a ATF. The the who?

SPEAKER_05 24:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:31

He said, This the fans, I think I damn near die. And then I called my folks, and this nigga not answering the phone. What you mean?

SPEAKER_05 24:42

You bring that him know, like, yo, they're at my crib.

SPEAKER_03 24:45

Why is you not answering the phone?

SPEAKER_05 24:46

Where's he at though?

SPEAKER_03 24:47

Nigga, why is you not answering the phone? And that he was already in custody.

SPEAKER_05 24:52

Oh, they already had locked him up.

SPEAKER_03 24:54

Yeah, they got him. He was home.

SPEAKER_05 24:56

They went went to his crib and then doubled to yours. Yeah, double. Probably hit both of them at the same time.

SPEAKER_03 25:01

Yeah, almost immediately. Three, two, one.

SPEAKER_05 25:03

That's how they normally do it.

SPEAKER_03 25:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:07

So what you left out that college that day, like, man. Did you have plans on turning yourself in?

SPEAKER_03 25:12

So I didn't know intention I didn't know initially that he was booked. So I had no. I don't know, I didn't have intentions on turning myself in. I was trying to figure out like uh the next move. You know, I had a bunch of money out. I had to collect some stuff, I had to get some stuff together. So I'm like, you know, my intention was to leave.

SPEAKER_05 25:31

Right.

SPEAKER_03 25:32

And then I got the call that he was booked. I said, Oh no, because this would have been his um his second joint.

SPEAKER_05 25:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:40

I said, Oh no, I can just bite that. I ain't got no priors. Because the joint I the joint on Montgomery County, I knew that wasn't serious. I knew I was gonna be there. Yeah. So as as it stands, I don't have no priors. I could take the case.

SPEAKER_05 25:51

Right.

SPEAKER_03 25:52

I'm slide back. And that's what I did.

SPEAKER_05 25:55

So you so you wouldn't turn yourself in?

SPEAKER_03 25:58

Not the first day.

SPEAKER_05 26:00

How many days you was out there before you turned yourself in?

SPEAKER_03 26:06

Yeah, I did. I I only had like a like a week, uh like a week. Like a my brother say it was two weeks, but I promise it was a week.

SPEAKER_05 26:13

What that was tell me where you turn yourself into the feds at though. Where do you gotta go to turn yourself into six hours?

SPEAKER_03 26:20

FDC. Six, no, that's on seven. They it was on six.

SPEAKER_05 26:23

Oh, so this joint on six. I don't even know nothing about that. They got they got they got a little station, right?

SPEAKER_03 26:28

Um well, I don't know about the station. They came and got me from in front of the um, you had to see how they swarmed the car, like they really caught me. Like, motherfucker, I am here to turn myself in.

SPEAKER_05 26:37

Yeah, I just called you. I'll let you know I'm out here.

SPEAKER_03 26:39

You had to see, they came, it was like a thousand of them, getting out the cars, guns, all this stuff.

SPEAKER_05 26:43

I you telling them I'm here.

SPEAKER_03 26:45

I am here. Like, come on. I damn near knocked on the door. Yeah, they so childish. But um, but um, no, they uh is is um right where probation at. So you know where you would have to go for probation?

SPEAKER_05 27:03

Oh, yeah, right there. Right there.

SPEAKER_03 27:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:05

So it's right there with it's right there. That's right there in front of the FDC.

SPEAKER_03 27:09

Exactly. Okay. Well, it's on the yeah, the other side of the William Green building. Exactly. Exactly. I already know what you're talking about. The William Green building.

SPEAKER_05 27:17

Yeah, we got the name of the building. You ain't gonna never forget that name. That's a name you'll never William Green will be embedded in your mind, me in your mind for the rest of our lives.

SPEAKER_07 27:26

Ever.

SPEAKER_05 27:27

I would never forget William Green. Ever. I'll be seeing our old 78. William Green. And that's the only thing I remember. Yeah, you goddamn right.

SPEAKER_03 27:37

Yeah, but that's why I had to turn myself in.

SPEAKER_05 27:39

So, how'd that process go? Like you turning yourself in and what they put you in a hole and cell, we'll be back to talk to you.

SPEAKER_03 27:44

Man, so they um so we was in a bull pit. So I was I was sitting in a um bullpen waiting um to go upstairs to be processed in the FTC. And I remember asking, I had just got my breeds, and I just said like, I think some micros or something. And uh I'm telling the marshal, I'm like, yo, I gotta take my hair out. Cause I know when I went to the county, they made you. He said, Oh no, this is the Feds, this is the big booze. You ain't gotta worry about that.

SPEAKER_05 28:09

Yeah, you go, oh, all that, you keep all that. We ain't tripping about none of that. That shouldn't let you know that you was in full stay.

SPEAKER_03 28:15

You see what I'm saying? They lied though. I got upstairs, they played right in my face.

SPEAKER_05 28:19

Told you to take it, take it out.

SPEAKER_03 28:20

What that uh I I forget her name, that thick ass beard. But um, I got over there. Were you over there when Lil Kim was over there? Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 28:31

Yeah, that was all around that time.

SPEAKER_03 28:33

Absolutely. But um when I got in uh when I got over there to the uh FDC um holding cell or R and D rather. Yeah, um the chick was like, uh, yeah, you can't um be processed until you take that out. I said, I ain't taking this shit out. This nigga just told me I ain't got to. I done spent all these hours. I'm not doing that. She said, Oh, you're gonna have to do it, you're gonna go to the shoe. I don't give a fuck if you send me to the sock.

SPEAKER_05 28:58

Yeah, to the sock.

SPEAKER_03 29:00

I'm not taking these out. You tripping out and spent all this time. You crazy.

SPEAKER_06 29:03

And you had to take them out. I bet you had to take them jaws out.

SPEAKER_03 29:05

I'm telling my bring me a pair of scissors. What? It's not taking them shits out. What? It was it start getting coldish. I don't follow the colour. Process don't start till you take them out. I'm telling you, I felt like they turned the air up just to just to the scissors, we're about to cut this shit out real quick. But uh, they got like a hair care specialist, somebody on the unit. She had to come downstairs. Uh a convict or a whole convict.

SPEAKER_05 29:33

And she from DC.

SPEAKER_03 29:35

She came down there. She talking about Philly. They told me you need help getting man. Hand me them damn scissors. I cut them joys about right here. She said, Oh my god, you crazy. Bitch, I'm sleeping. You talking about crazy.

SPEAKER_05 29:45

I'm yeah, I'm trying to get to sleep, yeah. She was like, it's hair. The FDC process you fast.

SPEAKER_03 29:52

What?

SPEAKER_05 29:53

You be downstairs for about an hour, hour and a half. There ain't no long waits. No, the feds ain't doing nothing.

SPEAKER_06 29:58

Everything like the district when you're in there six, eight hours. No fuck no.

SPEAKER_05 30:02

It ain't like uh CMC when you go sit on RD and room the room for hours, days. No, the feds you going there and be done in two hours' time. You done seen medical, you done seen the doctor, the church. Is it crowded down there too? No, like when you when the feds bring you through, it's a different type of it ain't overcrowded, like how the feds, I mean the state is. It's how everybody, the feds come and get who they want. And they keep it in like a low joint, if that makes any sense.

SPEAKER_06 30:28

Like they all right, we're gonna we're gonna got we're gonna get these people and then we're gonna get them out the way, then we'll get the city.

SPEAKER_05 30:36

They only got like five sales, so it ain't like the F.

SPEAKER_06 30:39

No, but listen, the reason the reason being is probably because you got so many districts that's shipping people out to the uh to the county prison at one time, and everybody's going through one, everybody gotta go to the F.

SPEAKER_05 30:50

But then that's that's what I just said. The feds not locking everybody up like that. They could picking and choosing, all right. We want this robbery over here, that was a bank, um, yeah, with white collar to come get to me. So they're not taking them like how I could go out here and pee. The feds ain't coming to get me for this. They might decompose and lock me up. The feds ain't man, you pick the dick up, man. Get away from me. They not locking you up for that. They're not, they're picking and choosing their crimes, so that's why it's not over like a rush going through, getting processed. That's how money was paying. You be you be down there like two hours time before you own a unit. You don't go to no R and at the RD, you on quarantine now. You know, after you done seen the people downstairs, you're a straightened population if you ain't going to the hole.

SPEAKER_01 31:31

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 31:32

Straighten population. So, how was you for you, uh, getting on getting on the block afterwards? Like coming because I'm unless your first time really being locked up, I'm assuming.

SPEAKER_03 31:41

Yeah, yeah. So, how was that for you?

SPEAKER_06 31:42

Um with them Chi Chis and that.

SPEAKER_03 31:44

So, so the crazy part is, right? All right, so in a bull pit, it was a guy um that I was actually, I ended up arguing with weird. He was trying to talk to me while I was in a bull pit. I'm like, nigga, I don't want to talk to no fucking right. So he um he started getting smart. He's like, Yeah, bitch, when you get over there, my sister Mecca gonna trash you. Da da da da. I went upstairs looking for Mecca. I'm looking for Mecca. Where Mecca is? You got a brother? She tells my girl, I ain't got no brother. Oh, all right, yeah, because he tells me you was gonna trash me. I'll get right to it.

SPEAKER_06 32:15

Oh man, you would look at it.

SPEAKER_03 32:17

Where's Mecca?

SPEAKER_01 32:19

Immediately.

SPEAKER_06 32:20

So you get over there, and you like I said, you've never been in jail before, you know, and what was the biggest transition for you? Because you're right downtown, and it's like you usually go outside with the rec yard, it's right there, everything's right there. But you can't see outside.

SPEAKER_03 32:33

I was about to say the wreckyard is just a you can hear them.

SPEAKER_05 32:36

You ever walk past him here? You can't hear me. They loud, they loud. The reason why you can hear them is because when you go in the wreckyard, it's like this much wall up, and then the rest of it is gate. They want fresh air. That that's your out the only outside you're gonna get is this. It's crazy. You're not going outside at all, you're not going outside when you go to court.

SPEAKER_03 32:54

Everything is indoors in a tunnel and all of that.

SPEAKER_05 32:57

You're never touching outside unless you're transferring out that gel. Other than that, you're never going outside. Visit indoor, everything but this little rec yard, all the office.

SPEAKER_03 33:07

Like that you see how the window is up top, still is open. That's a gate. That's it.

SPEAKER_05 33:11

They just want where they what they could say, damn, they got fresh air. We're giving them a fresh air. That's it. But you just in this joint, you in here. It's crazy. Same way for the women. We used to holler up to them from out the gates. Yeah, you go outside the rec yard. Yo! Like, what was your name? All day. You talking, we talking from floor to floor.

SPEAKER_03 33:30

That's all you hear all day.

SPEAKER_05 33:31

Oh, each floor got a rec yard.

SPEAKER_03 33:33

Yeah, yeah, every unit.

SPEAKER_05 33:34

Every unit got a rec yard. Like, if you want in the FDC in the feds, is it what?

SPEAKER_03 33:39

South and north.

SPEAKER_05 33:39

Yeah, south and north. Each floor was it, is it one? The start from one? I don't think nothing. That's RD. Two, three, four.

SPEAKER_03 33:45

No, it's three, uh, you know, um, what you call it is on two, the Wharton and all of them. So it's three, four, five, six, seven. Okay. And then the hole is on eight.

SPEAKER_05 33:53

Eighth floor, exactly. Yeah, and then you got, was it, was, what is it, south and north and south?

SPEAKER_06 33:59

North and south.

SPEAKER_01 33:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 34:00

So, all right, that trip, right? Because I I'm assuming now let's let's get to you getting to the unit, you're getting up there on on the block, um, never been in jail before, never experienced anything like that in your life. Now you're in a cell. Did you cry the first day you were there? Were you crying? Were you sad? What was going on? What was the point? What was your mentor?

SPEAKER_03 34:19

Um You know, I I cried uh when I went home. When like when I when it was like over, like when it was time to go, like I cried at the end of my bed. Um after I got my sentence, I skipped on the unit. My sister, my sister was there hide. She was like, I can't believe you just skipped on the fucking unit. Like they gave you three years. They gave you 10 years, you skipped on the unit. They told me I was facing 30.

SPEAKER_05 34:47

Wow, so they gave you 10.

SPEAKER_03 34:48

I took that dime all day.

SPEAKER_05 34:50

120 months. Take this 120 and we can't. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:56

After my sentence, oh, I went right there.

SPEAKER_05 34:59

You was comfortable with the sentence. Like, dang, I escaped that 30. I told you it'd become a reality, man. Motherfucker be like, dang.

SPEAKER_06 35:07

So I think before you told me, didn't the guy before that what wasn't he turned up turned out to be a uh uh an informer or something like that?

SPEAKER_07 35:16

Um yeah.

SPEAKER_06 35:18

The guy he was on so how what happened with that? I think before you told me that before, I believe. You said he turned he ended up being an informant or something like that. The guy who who got locked up with you. What's his name again?

SPEAKER_03 35:28

It was more than one guy that got locked up with. Oh well, one of the guys who was setting it up. You talking about they I think so.

SPEAKER_06 35:33

You said the guy was setting the up.

SPEAKER_03 35:34

The one that's dead?

SPEAKER_06 35:35

Is he dead now?

SPEAKER_03 35:36

Yes, Alhamdulillah. Um, he uh yeah, he's gone.

SPEAKER_06 35:43

He was he was uh he was an informant.

SPEAKER_03 35:45

Mm-hmm.

unknown 35:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 35:46

Was he the informant like he told on told on you on the case?

SPEAKER_03 35:49

He told on everybody. He's the reason everybody.

SPEAKER_05 35:52

You know he told on. You just asked the city. No, so he told you. I didn't know I know he told on how I didn't know. Step dumb was because of her. You sitting over there with so you're informing.

SPEAKER_03 36:04

The crazy part is he ended up telling his he ended up telling his cellulity like the day I got sentenced to tell me sorry. I tell him, if he don't eat that, like what I'm gonna do with a sorry.

SPEAKER_06 36:12

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03 36:14

Um, I don't even know.

SPEAKER_06 36:16

Uh he's from he's from the city?

SPEAKER_03 36:18

Uh yeah. Yeah. But he um so I met him through my folks. I ain't uh I ain't I ain't know that nigga other than that. That's the one who used to be finding the spots and all of that stuff. Yeah. The one we used to be cashing out. So then like when he seen how much you money like we counted, that nigga said, Wait, what I get if I go in? You know, and that's how he started wanting to go in. The first time he he went in, he wasn't supposed to go in. Then they took it, then they took it all the way down that day. I seen it in his face.

SPEAKER_06 36:51

He was shit.

SPEAKER_03 36:52

I seen it in his face. He like, you know, everybody get first time jitters, nigga. That was fear. That is not mm mm, that ain't a jitter. Nope. No, that wasn't a fear, that wasn't legit. But um Yeah, he uh he ended up getting caught over Jersey doing a joint. I told him that he shouldn't do. That wasn't wasn't a good look. And um when he got booked for that, he immediately went in in the back of the damn, I should have bought my transcripts. He went in in the back of the police car. Like he didn't even make it to the precinct.

SPEAKER_05 37:23

Oh, so he was caught first.

SPEAKER_03 37:24

Yeah, he was in the back of the police car glads.

SPEAKER_05 37:27

Like roll them out, huh? Because he already knows he cooked. Man, listen, let me get from underneath this good old pot. So what I'm gonna do is immediately I got something for y'all before y'all even get me to the district so we can go ahead and recalculate that. Yeah. Self-preservation, man. Self-preservation, man. These rats deal with self-preservation at a warming rate.

SPEAKER_03 37:47

That nigga ain't wasting no time. Right in the back of the right back of the patty.

SPEAKER_06 37:52

Wow. So now you you go to trial, or you you go to trial, right? So or took a deal.

SPEAKER_03 37:58

So yeah, we we just coped out.

SPEAKER_06 38:00

Okay, so coping out got you 10 years in the feds. You get back to the block, you said you skip it, you skip it on the block. Now you can't when it's skipping with 10. Now, here comes the the ultimate test now, whereas you're now you're about to get shipped out. How was that for you the day you know you was being shipped out?

SPEAKER_03 38:17

I had to fight to get shipped out. They wanted to keep me at the FDC.

SPEAKER_06 38:19

For 10 years, they can't keep you there for 10 years.

SPEAKER_05 38:21

No, no, they can't do that.

SPEAKER_03 38:22

It was cad it was cadre for women, so they could.

SPEAKER_05 38:24

Oh, well, yeah. That's if you but you gotta take that program though for to be a cadre.

SPEAKER_03 38:28

So they was trying to keep me there. I had to be. I probably would have stayed. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 38:32

10 years there? Yeah, but if you're a cadre, you run the jail.

SPEAKER_03 38:36

So the thing is, I did have it my way. I'm telling you, I did not eat trays, none of that shit. I had it my way in FDC. Shout out to my folks, y'all know I love y'all. But I didn't want to stay there because when you hear about the rainbow, all the things that's over there, the golden pot and every other gel. Not staying here and being cooped up just because I can get the little eyes and ends here. No, I'm going to the other side. I want the golden pot on the other side of the rainbow. Man, and that is a lot.

SPEAKER_06 39:06

There's no golden pot.

SPEAKER_03 39:08

What? Bullshit. I mean, I met a bunch of uh amazing people, so that that's what I say. I I met amazing people and uh uh still got great relationships with a lot of friends from all over the world. But how they what other than that, I kept my ass FDC.

SPEAKER_05 39:25

So when they put you in, because the way they do things in the feds is different, it ain't like how the state is. We're gonna get into that on like later episodes. But the state, once you get sentenced, you're waiting for the bus to come get you now. The feds ain't like that. Once you get sentenced, you gotta go through a whole new process now. Like what? Your counselor gotta put you in to for designation. Absolutely. You gotta go, you gotta have your paperwork set the grand period. Am I correct? Absolutely. And grand period does the designating, they classify you from your score cut, your your criminal, to see what level jail you be at. You got a print system to see if you are high or if you are low. So this is this is a three, four-week process. Probably some dudes sit two, three months waiting to leave.

SPEAKER_06 40:06

So that's a little different than well, actually, that's a lot different. But the process is a lot better at the in the county, I'm assuming the county gets you out of there in like a week. Well, yeah, but yeah, because the county only sends you upstate.

SPEAKER_05 40:15

Over here, they send you all over the world. Okay. You have to say you only going upstate. What's the first you're going to? What 12 hours away?

SPEAKER_06 40:22

Yeah, somewhere out 8, 12 hours.

SPEAKER_05 40:23

No, no, no. You end up in California, leaving FDC. Gotta get on the plane and get kind there. You're not just going straight there. That's a process in itself. Yeah, absolutely. So I asked you this right side, money, because I want to know. Like when they say boom, can you come back, you get your sentence. You come back, you go to the thing, you go to the counselor, yo, ma'am, sentence, they put you right in for designation.

SPEAKER_03 40:44

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 40:45

So you so what they told you, like, yo, we're gonna keep you here, we're gonna designate you here, have you as a cadre? You like, no, designate me, get me out of here.

SPEAKER_03 40:52

Immediately.

SPEAKER_05 40:53

How long that took?

SPEAKER_03 40:54

Um, I was out of here probably like two weeks.

SPEAKER_05 40:57

In two weeks? Oh, that was good. Designating anything, but what's the thing?

SPEAKER_03 41:01

Because I started doing that shit.

SPEAKER_05 41:02

Oh, well, yeah, they get you out of there. Lucky they ain't put you.

SPEAKER_03 41:05

I was drawn. I was get me out of here, or I'm gonna do keep doing stuff. I'm gonna keep doing stuff.

SPEAKER_05 41:09

And what jail they classified you for?

SPEAKER_03 41:11

Uh, I was in F FCI uh Danberry.

SPEAKER_05 41:13

Dan Barry. That's the only one. No, I think they just opened the one for the girl too, out of Victorville, California. They got a camp for them too.

SPEAKER_03 41:19

That's no. I'm not camp status.

SPEAKER_05 41:21

Oh, so you was medium, FCI.

SPEAKER_03 41:22

Yeah, FCI.

SPEAKER_05 41:24

Dan Barry. Tell us about that, Dan Barry, man. Or how was it they call it Dan Barry or Dan Scary? No, the Dan Barry.

SPEAKER_03 41:30

Dan Barry.

SPEAKER_05 41:31

Oh, sweet. So what's y'all transit when y'all leave? Because you know, we leave we even go to Louisville.

SPEAKER_03 41:36

Oklahoma, Paul Den County, you know, type.

SPEAKER_05 41:39

So you you flew to Oklahoma. So when you left, just tell the audience about how your transit was to get to Oklahoma. What they do that morning.

SPEAKER_03 41:48

Nutty. Um, they take you downstairs the RD. They uh, you know, you gotta swap out clothing, um, put that bullshit on and they put y'all on the paper suits too?

SPEAKER_05 42:01

What? Y'all get them too? Everybody get them. I thought just the males get, because you know them join's ripping. Y'all women, y'all got titties and ass. Like that shit. We I'll be walking and everything be out. Yeah. Same thing for y'all. Wow. That's crazy. I ain't never actually. Wow. We uh talking about the Conair suit, right? It's a paper suit. They give you a blue suit, it's paper. So like if it gets wet, it'll fall off you.

SPEAKER_03 42:22

We went to um the first drone, we uh they drive us.

SPEAKER_05 42:27

I mean, we um went to Oklahoma and then uh we want to back you up, so I went to full effect. You ain't go to Oklahoma. Where did you go when you left FDC Philly? I went that whole morning all the way before you got to Oklahoma.

SPEAKER_03 42:41

We drove to uh Harrisburg Airport. Yes, we drove to Harrisburg, then um they flew us to uh Oklahoma, and then at the Oklahoma, we went to Paul Den County. We was only in Oklahoma for like uh two or three days. We was in Pauldon County for like a week and a half before we went to um FCI Damberg.

SPEAKER_05 43:08

So where's Paulden County? You y'all drove there? Oh y'all had to fly again when you left Oklahoma. You flew all the way to Georgia.

SPEAKER_03 43:15

Nutty.

SPEAKER_05 43:15

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 43:16

Nutty Pauldon County is the fucking worst. It is the worst.

SPEAKER_05 43:23

Because you know, we go to Atlanta down there.

SPEAKER_03 43:25

It is the worst.

SPEAKER_05 43:27

Because Atlanta is the the one of the worst transit stops in the world.

SPEAKER_03 43:31

It is terrible.

SPEAKER_06 43:32

So this plane, once again, this plane was again has uh male and female prisoners on it. Yes. And these these suits, like y'all just walk around down there naked and on them.

SPEAKER_05 43:44

Yeah, yeah. And then they give you these little shoes, like a styrofoam shoe to put on. It's like it feels like styrofoam. And if you put your foot in it too hard, your toes out the front. Well, you talk about you do that with regular sticks. Well, yeah, well, no, my toes don't come out my damn regular sticks. Get out of here. No, do they do they give them to y'all too, Side? The little paper shoes, like the styrofoam ones? Or they giving y'all like a skippy?

SPEAKER_01 44:07

It was a skippy, I believe.

SPEAKER_05 44:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 44:09

Yeah, I believe I had a skippy. The women they might give you a friend, but yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:14

Damn, so you go to Danbury. What that was like pulling up to Danbury going like this is your designated jail.

SPEAKER_03 44:19

Like how that I want to know how the women is bidden, like I had been in uh F DC for like almost two years. So walking in there was just like walking in jail. The only difference was we had a compound and not those gates and all of that stuff. So it looked like a campus, like a college campus, to be honest.

SPEAKER_05 44:42

Right. Um real pretty. Everything loin cut real good. They got niggas maintaining the shit, maintenance. What? What was your job?

SPEAKER_03 44:50

Um, so I was a uh clerk in um laundry.

SPEAKER_05 44:55

Big job.

SPEAKER_03 44:56

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 44:56

Everybody gotta come see you, and you know who's coming.

SPEAKER_03 45:00

What? I did that at FDC first.

SPEAKER_05 45:03

Oh, you was you oh you was working that job at FCC.

SPEAKER_03 45:05

Anybody, anybody that was uh anybody that was in FDC with me, they know about putting the stars, the hearts, or whatever, like you know, and they uh what you call it, like if they my folks, yeah. I sent everything fresh. Everything what?

SPEAKER_05 45:17

Yo, you got the best job besides commissary. That's the best job.

SPEAKER_03 45:20

Yeah, no, that that's what I ended with. I ended up uh like my last three years I was in commissary.

SPEAKER_05 45:25

How you getting these jobs? You gotta be a chill, yo, you gotta know somebody. Get the I could never get and I've been in jail 21 years. I never the best job I had was Unicorn before they took them out the system. Yeah, but other than that, I wasn't getting no damn commissary. Damn, I had a bunch of homies down laundry. Laundry you know who's coming before they even get there. Absolutely. You get the bus list the night before. So you could come back out on the compound like yo, y'all got homies coming. Y'all got the bus, ain't even here, it comes tomorrow. I know you on your way to the jail, so it's hard to like duck rep. I know Taffik Page is coming up here today. 066. We damn there making your bear rolls, your khakis, and I can't do it seen you in the eye like that, y'all get little with baby. Oh my god, I just quit my job and anything in there. We in here for the long haul. You know what I mean? But yeah, sir, like I I always wanted that from a woman's standpoint because a lot of women think in this games out here. Like, you see the girl that just happened, and the you know, the the the fight that happened, they fighting over a nigga. This is what last two weeks. They like you, they don't know, like she gonna fuck the gym, regardless of somebody. What can she be in store for, sir? Because a lot of women, we get the stories out there to the brothers, because the brothers are always cutting up and doing stuff.

SPEAKER_03 46:40

Every angle. And the mere fact that that that a life was lost is unfortunate, but everybody gotta accept a role in that shit. And I don't think it's cool for I think it's very unfortunate that the the female passed away. But everybody was stabbing, it was swords, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 47:03

Like a jail fight, little bitch. Yeah, that was like a riot or some shit, bro. It was kind of like but girls don't do that in jail, though. They don't stab like that, do they?

SPEAKER_03 47:12

Um It's rare. They know what it's like more so locking the stock. Uh really? What?

SPEAKER_06 47:19

They vicious with that. That's worse than a knife, then yeah. Yeah, yeah. Bobby, especially on a girl here.

SPEAKER_05 47:25

Oh my god, she died.

SPEAKER_03 47:26

What?

SPEAKER_05 47:27

A man a little bit harder at scar than take it.

SPEAKER_03 47:29

That that that that um that baby oil, that baby oil on that hot border.

SPEAKER_05 47:35

Yeah, burn the burn the baby. The skin falls right off. Like, cause when you touch yourself, ma'am, when you got the oil in there, everything comes off with it. Yep. Call you pink panther today.

SPEAKER_03 47:46

Hey, listen, I remember uh Peaches Peaches. This girl uh threw uh hot beans on this uh girl had a face burning, right? Dang it was this one girl. Maya burnt out. She's standing in the bitch face. She's talking about, is you okay? Is you all right? Yeah, she wasn't okay.

SPEAKER_05 48:04

The last thing you want to hear is somebody and you got hot beans falling off your jump.

SPEAKER_03 48:10

You know, them jaws stick, them remain.

SPEAKER_05 48:12

Don't have no sugar in them.

SPEAKER_03 48:13

You see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 48:14

Them jaws sticking they stick it to her face.

SPEAKER_03 48:16

She's talking about, is you okay? Just get in the shop, girl. I said, Oh, she's gonna kill her. She got the killer at this point.

SPEAKER_05 48:24

Once something burned your face, though, it's like especially in that type of fashion. It ain't like it's touching just your cheek. It's hitting a large area. Yeah, that being like, don't be sitting there and she comes out who's all is done. Absolutely. You can just forget about everything on this side. Face off. Just know I had to get this done right now. You hardly dead now. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Star in the movie. Wow. Get you a coin and get the flipping. And that's just it.

SPEAKER_06 48:51

All right, so you get now you get upstate, right? Get up there. What's going on when you get up there? Like, how was it for you? Like when you got upstate, was it like a whole eye-opening situation? Not upstate in the federal system. Well, we know what I mean.

SPEAKER_05 49:03

You get to your your jail, your destination. Yeah. And that was Oklahoma. No, that ain't Oklahoma, it's Danberry. Oklahoma is the biggest transit facility. Yeah, that's just a transit for the feds. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 49:15

But um Yeah, it was eye-opening. So I had a conversation with a uh with an older sister who had two life sentences plus 55 years. Michelle West. She home. Michelle West Home, that's the one I introduced you to. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 49:33

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 49:34

Um two life sentences and 55 years.

SPEAKER_06 49:37

Because she ain't tell.

SPEAKER_03 49:38

So you had to die twice and then come back and run it 55.

SPEAKER_06 49:41

And then I'm gonna go ahead and get with you. Yeah, she ain't tell, like, like I like I would never tell. I would never tell. But go ahead, go ahead, sir.

SPEAKER_03 49:52

She um she had a conversation with me when I um first uh got there, and she was saying, Well, it was like a couple months, it wasn't like fresh off the joint because I ain't even really talk to people that wasn't from Philly. If they wasn't from Philly, if they wasn't from Mus, if they're not Muslim, I ain't really. No, but hold up.

SPEAKER_05 50:10

So let me ask you, you ain't make no friends outside of Philly though? Because I got a lot of good homies. Of course I got a lot of good homies from DC all over the country.

SPEAKER_03 50:17

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 50:18

You meet them like yo, these people.

SPEAKER_03 50:20

I'm telling you when I first went, you said you asked me. You asked me about when I first went in. When you first got in there, yeah. When I first went in there, you ain't on the joke shit. Yeah, no, I ain't gonna be.

SPEAKER_05 50:28

I'm messing with my folks, and that's how it is. That's how you got to be in the field.

SPEAKER_03 50:31

Cause watch out. And a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of females tell a lot.

SPEAKER_04 50:38

Yeah. Then you think more than men?

SPEAKER_03 50:40

Absolutely. Yeah, but the thing is, is they got kids, it's not really talked about, and a lot of people allow it because yeah, they got kids or they do this, or people that's a topic right now. That's some that's something um I fell out with somebody about and I don't speak to them to this day.

SPEAKER_05 50:58

Hold let me ask you this before you go on, because I'm gonna forget. Do you think a lot of women get passes for telling?

SPEAKER_03 51:04

They do to t from for some people, not for me though.

SPEAKER_05 51:06

Yeah, I know that. I know that.

SPEAKER_03 51:07

But yeah, they do. But what happened um when uh I call home and I'm talking to my fools, and they like, yeah, man, like you know, like you just gotta you gotta worry about yourself. Like you got a daughter, like ain't nobody gonna think nothing of it. Like you a female, and then my whole thing is like, nigga, what? And it's a grown man talking to me like this, and I felt like damn, that was that was crazy. I've been doing crime for a long, long time. So I feel like you outside, you playing by outside rules, you don't get to start making them up and altering them because oh, I'm a girl now. You don't get to be a girl now. Like you wasn't just no, you don't get to do that. Like that's crazy and corny and weird and I ain't with it.

SPEAKER_05 51:52

So what happened with the girl that you said you fell out with?

SPEAKER_03 51:54

So that was a guy.

SPEAKER_05 51:55

Oh, it was oh, it was a guy.

SPEAKER_03 51:56

Oh, that you fell out of Yeah, it was a guy. Um Yeah, he was uh basically telling me that I was a female and that it was okay to tell. What? What are you talking about? Yeah, that's dumb.

SPEAKER_05 52:07

And and that was crazy that you say a lot of females tell.

SPEAKER_03 52:10

Yeah, they do. They do.

SPEAKER_06 52:11

Um but do you but honestly think about it, do you do you expect different?

SPEAKER_05 52:16

If you in the streets, if you playing a game, what I mean it's something that you might blame. I can see if you did something around her and you weren't supposed to be, she told him on your ass and you like, all right.

SPEAKER_03 52:25

But not when you not when you right here with me. If you driving the car for me to go kill this nigga, you understand?

SPEAKER_06 52:31

Listen, it's a female that we know that we thought that you just listen.

SPEAKER_03 52:33

Hear me that joint. I'm gonna clean it after you finish it off. Yeah, come on, yeah. Hear me out though. Hear me out though.

SPEAKER_06 52:38

It's a female that we that we know very well. I'm not gonna say her name, but she was with the homies, you know what I'm saying? And you and you and you seen her recently, whatever, and you in your passings, whatever. And we would never thought that she that she would tell. Well, yeah, yeah. Because she was she was with the homies.

SPEAKER_05 52:55

Yeah, yeah, she was with the and you we we but but but the question was you don't get a like you you once you with the you you you ain't supposed to tell. You with the bullshit. Yeah, you don't get the I can see if we just using her crib. You know, you got them females. We all the guys hang out there, and some cops fight and kicked in and she took all right, cool. She wasn't with the bullshit though. We brought that shit there to her. So you would like all right, you expect her to keep her mouth shut, but damn, she told her, all right, cool. Well, we shouldn't have been the when she in that car and she driving and she doing this, she got the guns and all that, and she pointing niggas out, go get them, and you tell, you out of pocket, shorty. You knew what the fuck that we was doing.

SPEAKER_07 53:34

For sure.

SPEAKER_06 53:34

No, you ain't she ain't supposed to tell. I just the average, I'm just saying the average woman. You would have like if I was getting locked locked up with a woman, I like I would be, I would be probably expecting her to, you know, to tell. Not just because I just, you know, they they get once they get in jail, so I'm talking about 20 or 30 years. They is it's really rare. Like somebody like yourself didn't tell. It's really rare. Think about it.

SPEAKER_03 54:01

It is rare, right?

SPEAKER_06 54:02

Can you name two women that you um let me cut you off, sir? Go ahead, no. Young, can you can you can you name five women right now that you that you know for a fact that won't tell if you ever got in trouble? Because you can't even name really five dudes that won't tell, really. So five women.

SPEAKER_03 54:15

We can't even name one. No, because they will shock you.

SPEAKER_05 54:18

Yeah, like I I can't. I'm trying to think of one woman right now that I know for a fact that will not tell. Oh no. I probably gotta think of it overnight. I got L on the show right now, right now.

SPEAKER_06 54:29

That's it, because she's been through it. She ain't tell.

SPEAKER_05 54:31

You see, but I don't know if Sai won't tell. I don't know what Sai has been through. I'm not saying Sai will tell. But you still do it though.

SPEAKER_06 54:37

But you for you to ask me a woman that I know for. But I'm saying you know she probably won't tell because she's been through it. But I'm saying there's nobody else that we can think of.

SPEAKER_05 54:44

No, I can't, I can't, I can't put my my I can't put it on there. I can't, I can't think of a woman. Like, I even I'm thinking about that like a for a woman like me, you can't, I'm never gonna tell nobody, but I did all that time. It'd be motherfuckers like us that tell now. For sure. Like for real, if I'm being honest, nigga, I was in there 20. That's why I'm going to stay away from the dumb shit, because I don't want to tell on you, bro. And I ain't trying to go back in there. And I'm a man. Ain't no man gonna give a nigga no more. We touched it in the boy. You ain't trying to do, I ain't trying to do another dub. Fuck no. So what I'm gonna do is move myself out the situation. Cause I don't know what I'm gonna do this time, bro. I'm gonna get out the way. I ain't selling no good. I'm not doing none of that shit. We ain't even gonna find out if I gotta tell. So what I'm gonna do is and relieve myself from all robberies, all dope selling activities. You're gonna catch me with my little cup of wine and I'm in the back part. I can't go to jail for that. So you ain't got to worry about me telling. I'm not gonna put myself in a predicament to tell. These dudes do 20, 30 years, man, come home and you back out. Man, them niggas ain't trying to go back in there for that dub. So dub right now, ready to do for you, yeah. That's light, that's killing me, bro. I'm not going in in nobody's institution doing no two days, want nothing. So I'm gonna stay away from the dumb shit that could cause me to go back. I don't want to tell on you, so I'm gonna go ahead and get away from you. But that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_03 56:06

That's what that mentality right there is how I feel like that shit cooked my cookies. That's how I feel like women should operate. That that mentality right there, that's how women, if they don't want to be convicted of crimes or any of that stuff, that's the mentality that they're supposed to have right there. You don't get to say, like, oh, I'm a female at the end of the day, nigga, you a pistol toter. Like, you the fuck.

SPEAKER_06 56:28

Exactly. But you know, let but sometimes, like you said, people come outside, how homes is destroyed, and all they're not, they're gonna get trying to get some money over here, but they forget about the aspect of the uh of that of that jail time by looking at the money, and then they get caught up. It's all this it's it's tears, and then it turns uh Jason Terry. Everybody crying. Let me ask you a question, sir.

SPEAKER_05 56:53

Do you think, do you really think that the federal system rehabilitated you?

SPEAKER_03 56:58

No, absolutely not. I've rehabilitated myself. The prison does nothing for anybody, it's not reform. You have to take initiative, you have to take action, you have to really want to do something different for yourself. My turn, my turning point for me was laying my back against that cold ass wall in the summertime. That was my air. That's the only air that we had, and that was my sense of relief. And I started reflecting. And what I knew is I can't bring my ass back in here. I gotta do something different. So I got so busy in prison that my friends that were in prison used to have to be on, they'd be like, I know we ain't on her schedule today. Because like I'm working out, I'm doing college courses, I'm doing all of this stuff because I got a different play for when I get out of here. Right, right. I can't come to the city. So it's starting with you. Bottom line. And it has to be internal because the aesthetic of it, it sounds decent. It sounds good. I'ma go home, I'm gonna have all these business, I'ma do it, and you ain't did no footwork, you ain't did nothing. You playing a lot of people come, they can get on the phone, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 58:04

We got a right mindset, but they ain't putting in the work to do that because the aesthetic is decent.

SPEAKER_03 58:09

You know what I mean? I'm telling everybody, no, I'm gonna come home, I'm gonna get a van service, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. Like the thing is you could take all of the initiatives and steps prior to getting out. None of them doing it. Nobody doing that. They're not taking the steps in the precaution that they need to secure their future while in prison. I did all that shit. I left I left prison with my with my license. I left prison with my um social security card, I left it with my um birth certificate, all the stuff that they wait and tell you you gotta get when you come in. I'm not wasting day, I'm not wasting my time. When they give me a pass to go out, I've got business to take care of. I'm not wasting time and waiting around for them to tell me when and why and how I did that for 10 years. No thank you. Not doing it.

SPEAKER_06 58:52

So like like you said, you said jail didn't re uh rehabilitate you. So did it actually increase your, you know, uh well what it oh actually is I say is what did it do for you? Like what it was is it something that you said, all right, it made them not want to come back. Or this is okay, that's really so what you're saying this big that was it, it's made you not want to come back.

SPEAKER_03 59:12

Like, no absolutely not. It kept me it kept me away from my family. It made me um know the important the it made me channel who I really am. You understand? So to the point that I knew like I could have been getting to it in the manner that I was, chasing it down in the way in a criminal way, I could get to it this way. You know, I can still do the hustle and the grind and all the things that because you're a hustler. End of story, it's not on you, it's in you.

SPEAKER_06 59:43

I gotta I gotta say something. The what the way you cook, right? You probably just make some crazy cheat cheese in jail. Yo, yeah. Yeah, let's get to it. Come on, sir.

SPEAKER_05 59:54

I know they was like, Sah, what we doing this weekend? Because you know, you do the people with in the men's side, people cook everybody. You like the weekends come, oh yeah. You gotta have your best cookers up.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:04

Yeah, for sure. We definitely, I did I.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:06

Y'all getting the raw chicken and all that out of the kitchen, too. All that's the same now. How we doing? I'm talking about if you got a hand, fried spaghetti. I got a homie, this fried spaghetti is better than man. Listen, bro. I'm talking about the microwave fried spaghetti. So I know Sar was one of them. I know you was in there, bell peppers, and onions all in the trash can with the with the ice and all that, keeping it cold. Absolutely, but what irony no side, what you cooking this weekend? I'm coming from another unit. Sa, I'll be there at lunchtime to come get that. That's how I go there.

unknown 1:00:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:39

But you was cooking in there, sir. What's your best dish in there?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:43

Um, hard to say. Like, um, I made macro patties, I made dumplings, I made uh stews, I made all types of stuff.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:54

So it's kind of you was in there cooking for real. You just made a stew.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:58

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:59

The dumplings was I love dumplings.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:01

Peanut butter stew. I got that from a um got from uh Jamaican.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:05

Oh the peanut butter. Oh, yeah. That's my I get that all the time from the Africans. I get the all the peanut butter uh stew with the chicken and the lamb.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:12

That joint is crazy.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:14

Use the flour and all that. What? I need you to make me some. I'm gonna come get some.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:19

I got you.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:19

I need some of that.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:20

I got you.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:21

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:22

You know, meat, beans, and all this. We did a che off. Um, like I think we're five years ago. And um, I made the uh the macro patties, he made uh low-main. Like we was it, we we went off on that joint. I ain't gonna lie. That's the fried spaghetti. That's the low main state versus feds. We killed that joint. We get you know the feds won.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:43

Yeah, because I don't think the state got a wide.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:46

I don't know, because a lot of them was talking heavy and they said they just know how to make bobs and shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:50

A bob is a bowl of bullshit. That's what the fuck a bob is. Get that shit out of here. Don't nobody want no bob. Look, you see that oh he got a bob over there.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:58

They said they said the state, they said that we gotta run that joint back because the state um they ain't had the right people.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:05

Uh but I don't think they get into all that cooking, like how we do in the Fed, like, because the state ain't had microwaves. Well, to my knowledge, they got just one ninety and all that. The hot water.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:16

I had them. I had the hot water joints there and everything. I had everything there. I had it with the feds use, I had with the state used. I had it.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:22

And they ain't they ain't come on, yeah. I don't think it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:24

But they said they feel like they ain't had the right people representing them. So they want to run the big.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:33

You know, but down there, that's in the feds. That's coming out the kitchen. Niggas is bagging up. He got, don't let it be a holiday. Like they got cornish hens raw on a unit. A Cornish hen, bro. Because they only giving that out once a year. So nigga that yo in the kitchen, tie ins and all that. Yo, I need uh 10 cornish hens. You bring that out raw. Niggas is frying, deep frying that on the unit. A deep fry and a cornish hen, he lying. Sorry, what they is they do, is they over there doing that?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:00

Everything.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:01

They deep fry, listen, man, dude. Yes, they bring it out the kitchen. Bags of Grease, niggas tying it to their ass. I'm talking about nigga, I got balls of grease all underneath my balls and anything.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:15

What is they doing? The wrong steak cooks. You uh we're gonna run it back. Make sure y'all tune in.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:20

You're cheeking a um a bag of grease, huh? No, I wasn't cheeking it. I picked it on my lips. Like, I'm crazy as shit, cheeking a bag of grease. That's gonna fall out. Like now, you gotta put that on you. You get the you I put I probably have uh four or five bell peppers here, bag of grease. How you walking with the grease on you, though? How you walk? How do you walk? Walk regularly, show me how you walk with the grease. No, you talking about show me how you walk. You walk regularly, how we walked in the studio. That's how I was walking in with a bag of grease. It'll be on my thighs or something like that. You gotta get the uh, because you got a lot of people in there that got insulin and have met, they need medical attention. So they're getting them insulin socks, you know, the ones that keep the the swelling there. Them socks come up the hair. They medical socks, and they tight is made for the because I guess you know when you got insulin, so you need to get your shit from. Man, I got everything in them socks. I got three bananas over here, two oranges, two bell peppers here, a bag of grease there. I'm tucking shit on the nuts. Yeah, we back on the unit partying. We partying for real.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:22

Yeah, showing up. Turkey band says they make fish patties, everything you just uh that's I said, fish patties. Yeah, so we we yeah, the the metal is a bottom.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:31

We're gonna run it back. We're gonna run it back, and you know, y'all fed y'all state people that's talking, have you, you know, just yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:37

I just don't think that they cook over there like yeah, not like how they're doing the feds. They feds. I'm talking about you would have a whole gourmet meal, bro. Absolutely, just cooked up big old fried rices. I'm talking about dudes will be cooking and then be putting it on the bag or on the tables, be tables of food, bro. So the guards don't come and tweak it. No, fuck no, the guard happy you're doing it. Y'all ain't fighting.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:00

And he probably eating some of the food too.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:01

Yes, you have guards come doing, they gotta come fill me up a cup.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:04

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:05

All fried rice, the poppies be making fried rice with the beans in it and all popping. Bell peppers and onions ripping through that gel. So you missed them meals, man. No, no, I don't, I don't, I wouldn't buy a bowl of it right now, but I don't want to go back to get me a bowl of it. No, I I'll pass on that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:23

Oh man. So, uh, so aside, look, we you know, you in there, you cooking chefing, and was that where you learned your cooking skills or were you already cooking before you went in?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:32

I've been cooking since I was nine.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:34

So that was something you always did, but you didn't know that you were going to come home and really well, you didn't know that you were gonna have an actual business of cooking or something that you wanted to do when you was younger, or you just uh got into it. So you created that and and while you was locked up?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:49

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:50

So you came home already knowing what you were.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:56

I might need you to cater something for me this weekend too. Let's go. But um Um, you know, uh ultimately it was this uh upscale restaurant, which I'm working toward now, but um I always was gonna get a restaurant.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:09

That's what's up, and you can't get away.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:10

And the crazy part is I was cooking, I was cooking out of the house, and um the day I quit, the day I was like, you know, I'ma just chill, fall back off of this until I get my restaurant. I actually got the restaurant. Um that was like my uh baby, my daughter, she was like playing in the platter plates and like she's just making a mess. And I started yelling at her and I don't really raise my voice and my kids. So when she started crying and looking at me like devastated, I said, Yeah, you know what? I'd have made it hurt my baby feelings. Let me I'm trying to post on Instagram, um, you know, sorry for the inconvenience, besides pilots won't be cooking, etc. etc. My cousin keep calling me. I keep sending them the voicemail, he keep calling me. Shout out to North Feliche, my cousin the shit. Um he um he was like, I answer the phone, he's like, Cousin, how you feel about uh opening the restaurant? I said I would, I just quit. And he like, um no, I'm serious. Me too, nigga. I'm trying to post it, but you won't let me. You keep calling me. And um he ended up like, no, uh, the seafood joint, he's like, it's too much. I got the bar, et cetera, et cetera. He was like, I just need somebody to take it over, and I know you're serious, so where do I come get the keys?

SPEAKER_06 1:07:19

Now you're off to the races.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:21

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:22

That's what's up, man. And that's that's a success story because sometimes people come home like like like like black. He comes home, got his podcast going, you know, humd. And Sar come home and got her restaurant going, and the food is amazing. So if y'all ever want to go past it, get some food size police. What's the address again?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:39

2832 Real Gemini.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:41

Yeah, I ride past it all the time to see a side. I just wrote it.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:43

Yeah, he stopped too. He stops, he stops too. Not just ride by.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:48

Sure. I just seen Sar the other day, too. Yes, he did.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:50

With dog, we had dog, what you doing? It's on the head. You see it? Bam.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:59

Yo, so I want to say something too. Let's go back to not nittles. Not noodles, uh, his wife was murdered. She was shot um outside of a uh an event or something like that. But y'all heard me say not on duty. That's where I got not on duty from not noodles and them down the blump. That's where it originally started for me. Like being down there, they they I come down and they tell me not on duty. So when y'all got here not on duty, that's where it originated from for me. That's why the first people I heard saying that was not noodles, people down the blump, Raga, all them guys down there, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:31

Shout out to my guys.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:32

Yeah, shout out to everybody on the blump. So that's um, that's crazy. How long you knew not noodles?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:37

Forever.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:38

Oh my gosh, shout out to Nah. And it's crazy that his cousin P, P Gutty, is the one who told me that. That's crazy. That's crazy. It's well, Philly, we all family in Philly. So you home now, sir. And um you came home. Did you have kids before you went in?

SPEAKER_03 1:08:53

Uh, I had a uh my daughter was three when I went to prison.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:56

How was that? How did how did that affect your daughter, like going to jail and being away for 10 years?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:01

I think it affected her a lot, regardless of how you know, um present I tried to be. There's still the absence because it's times when she needs to run to her mom or she wants to hug and she gotta wait for a 15-minute phone call. There might not be coming in time. I was in the Feds, we had 300 minutes a month.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:22

You know?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:22

So um it's a lot. And uh every year, of course, like I always talk anytime I talk about parenting from prison, I always say I never omitted my rights of parenting. Like I always wrote her teachers and principals and all of that stuff every year to the point that like they sent me all her stuff. If her dad wanted to know her grades or anything, he had to go through me because they sent it to the jail. Because I sent self-address stamps and envelopes every year to introduce myself. Um I do homework over the phone and all of that type stuff. I was that parent from prison, but it still didn't fill the void that she still felt when she needed her mom. You know, so um and I feel like it still affects her to this day. And that's a work in progress.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:07

That's what's up. Now you you come home home to your to your daughter after doing 10 years. Um how is she now?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:17

She's 23.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:18

23 now, wow. And we a lot of times people really understand that sometimes when we go to prison, or people go to prison, you know, it affects the kids that are out here. And sometimes the relationships can be, because I seen people in situations where I I have a homie, I always tell a story all the time. He came home at the door in like 12, I think it's the 12 or 15 years, whatever, but his son was a baby, came home, and him and his son they like divided. But you were able to come home at it at a time to be able to kind of build a relationship with your daughter's now. She's 23 years old. How was it for you now, being home, being a mother, you know, businesswoman, all these different things? How is that for you? Is it is is a sense of like, you know, happiness or or contentment?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:59

Um I can't say contentment, but I am happy. I I have a 10-year-old now.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:06

Um you can't home and got right to it, huh?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:09

Uh kind of. But yeah, um, so I got a 10-year-old. She she's amazing. I love mother and her and being able to be uh everything that I wasn't able to be for my um first daughter. Um but it's still some challenges because every day I'm at the store or building a new brand or building a different business or trying to secure something, you know, for for us, for her. And um sometimes I don't feel like uh I spend enough time with her. Um, but I do spend as much time as possible.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:53

And kids don't really want to want to hang around your place of uh business all the time. No, they be like, drop me all the time. I'm telling you, grandma brother.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:59

The crazy part is she'll be like, Mom, I'm doing it today. I'm telling you, come get me. I want to be at the palace, and then she get in that joint and be like, Shh, you keep talking all these. It's hot in this joint.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:08

We ahead cooking. You see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:10

I'm coming out at some like chicken and you keep talking to all these different people. Can you just drop me big off the name of the house? I'm like, yeah, I'm just gonna.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:18

Hey, so I want to ask you something.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:19

Anything, what's that?

SPEAKER_05 1:12:21

How was it the the last week in jail? Like coming up to your last week and you was ready to get released? Like, how was your nervous? Was you because uh 10 years is a nice little time to be in jail. That ain't no, especially for a woman.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:33

Yeah, 10 years.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:35

Like, what was that like? What was that? Did you tell anybody? Did you tell a couple? I'm talking about as far as the other convicts in there.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:41

So um my people knew, my my immediate people that I dealt with, uh, like Michelle was Aisha, did you know, all of them knew? Um in terms of home, I think the only person I told was my sister Hada. And um I think Chanel was the only other person that knew. But um, I didn't really tell them. I didn't really tell a bunch of people I was coming home. I just slid out.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:11

How you feeling? Was you nervous?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:12

My feelings um it was overwhelming. When I was like, I know you left some good people behind. So that's the part. Like leaving, um knowing I'm leaving Michelle and like the rest of them was coming. You know what I mean? All of them had a date, and Michelle had letters too. So leaving her was like kind of depressing. It was like shit, like she got life. Um but that's why you know I played my part and do what I'm supposed to do as a companion, you know, uh, in terms of riding for the people in prison. Um and alhamdulillah, she out of prison now. But uh my feelings. I was overwhelmed, I was excited, um, I was sad, I was uh my emotions was like all over the place. Um because ultimately what I knew is I can't come back. I cannot come back to this motherfucker. I've seen so many. I used to not speak to people that came back to prison.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:19

Yeah, what I used to look down on them too. What? I didn't know. I did until I looked at it.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:24

Mother tell you, mother, the like uh that was like my little sister, man. She walked back in that joint. I looked straight through her. She was, she was, she used to be devastated. Like I talked to you, no fuck out of here. Like, um, yeah, like you in the world. Then you back in here, and it'd be nuts.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:36

Like it'd be like You feel crazy coming back, like damn, they gonna grind me the fuck up. Especially people in there with life, like damn, you back. It gave you a chance to be back. That's a worse feeling, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:46

Them lifers definitely don't, them lifers definitely don't talk to you.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:50

They be and then and we don't talk about this enough, like you know, people with human beings, but like my baby five or thorough.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:59

Yeah, yeah, he's thorough.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:01

That's my guy. Shout out to him, but yeah, man. And and just going through that of not you wanting not to come back. That's like crazy going home. Like, I'm not can't come back to this. That's not crazy, but you gotta, you're challenging yourself.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:20

No, for sure. For sure. And it's not easy, it's not an easy task, especially when you come home. And I see a lot of people that come home, they come home with a sense of entitlement. Me, myself, I left that shit from the gun bus. Like when I got incarcerated, I knew nobody owed me nothing. I ain't going there thinking, like, oh, I know this person gonna cash me out, they're gonna do this, they're gonna do that, they're gonna rock my daughter, they're gonna do it. I ain't look for none of that. And when I came home, it was the same thing. Like, I'm not looking for none of that. I don't care. What did annoy me was a few people that be like, uh, oh, um, Asa, I'm gonna cash you out later. You don't owe me nothing, leave me alone. Just leave me alone. Like you, because you're making it seem like, and then they only do it like when crowds are real. Like, Asa, I got you. Like, I asked you for something on the back end, like, I don't need nothing from you. We weren't getting money together, none of that. Leave me alone. Like, what's the people be weird, but that's why a lot of people be getting robbed and stuff too. But that's another story. Um, yeah, uh screws.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:24

So, so uh, now you're home, right? And we sp we spoke about, you know, you know, uh being a parent, and and I don't think I asked you this, but you know, you spoke about your mom. Um how did the incarceration of you being locked up, how did it affect your your your parents?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:39

Um, so my so my mom uh she went and got a job. Stressed me right out because I felt like my mom ain't never hit the job, she never had to work. My stepfather was a great provider, she's always been a housewife. So for her to go get a job because she didn't want to protect me, or she didn't want to feel like uh nobody she she wanted to be able to provide for me, that's what I'm gonna say. Um she didn't want to have to ask nobody for nothing for me. So she went and got a job. That's why she would never ever work for as long as I got birth from my body. Um but uh my dad, my my biological father was locked up when I was locked up. And uh yeah, he was on he did 14 years. And his advice to me when I first got a le uh got arrested was if you get a bunch of disciplinaries, they keep you closer to home.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:35

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:36

Yeah, that's what he had for me. Um how did you talk about it? He said he said, you know, you and the feds, we used to uh email. I mean, um not email, we used to uh write letters, yeah. We had uh correspondence, yeah. Um so he said, you know, you and the feds, they be moving y'all all around and all that stuff. But if you get a bunch of disciplinaries, they keep you closer to home.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:58

Is that true?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:59

That was his that was his advice.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:01

That's some crazy advice, but that's what I gotta ask though. Is it true that what he said is that true?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:05

Uh you know what I ain't I ain't find out.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:09

Like, like it's even worse.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:11

No, young, they sent you, they sent you to California. Oh, yeah, you good, you get I was letting her tell her story. I ain't getting telling mine, boy. I I'd have been to California, damn south midwest. Uh man, I'd have been that man. Listen, man, listen, man. Uh West Virginia was the worst place I ever been to, though. Wrong term for real. But so uh I don't agree with uh your pop told you catch up, but maybe that's Indiana State. That's what that's what it is. They probably keep it in the feds. Yeah, you as soon as you start cutting out, yeah. We get with you when you come back a crib from a Cali crib. You go all the way up there, you come back and then jump. What's up, Loke? You won't bring you back over there when you're low. What the what? You coming back over this, but what's up? What's cracking, cuz? You like damn? What's up happening with the bull? What's cracking? Cuz like, no, you they they tight you get the feds. Can you uh can you crit walk right over there? No, I had a couple homies that do it. I ain't never tried to do that. Nah, I ain't do that. Um crit walking, man. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_06 1:19:10

No, you the kids used to and the um in the parties used to go crazy when um what's the boy? Uh uh Red Lion. Come on in and shop a rank. What's the boy? I never do it.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:20

I don't know about none of this. This stuff that you think about. I don't know. You can ask me what I didn't know.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:28

No. Shopper ranks and uh all the all the all the Jamaican Jamaican music. What's the boy? Um no, you was you was dreaming that. Who is red line? I don't know who the Jamaican was your boy and uh some red lion. A little vicious because y'all you look like him a little bit, so you was the acting back in the vegetables. Yeah, that was your boy. That was your boy. So you um now you're home and you know you you're doing some wonderful things, man. We gotta ask this question, right? Do you see yourself going back?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:00

No.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:01

No, no, good, good.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:03

No, I do too much to stay away from it. I got, you know, uh beyond the restaurant, you know, I got a uh the podcast, chatting over Chi Cheese. I got Lockdown Love, my nonprofit organization. Right now I'm working on getting my um curriculum into the prison, which aids and assists men and women returning back to society so they can start building on a platform of recidivism. I mean, the um to defeat recidivism um prior to getting here. Cause like I said, I started from prison. I didn't wait to get out here and try to make the change because it's nearly impossible. Um so I have that and um I also have uh recovery house. Um I got like a bunch of stuff going on. So I'm done, you know, I'm working. I don't uh I'm hustling.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:54

Get money.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:56

So yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:58

Now that we get to this point right here, we gotta ask you this, you know, um, is it any uh piece of advice that you can get to someone out there before we before we could take some calls too, but is it any advice that you can um that you want to give to anybody out here who's listening to you, who's you know, who see your story? Cause sometimes people feel like, you know, once they go to jail is over, you know, but you came home doing all these things, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:25

Yeah, I just feel like you're you're better than your last mistake. It doesn't define you. The only thing that defines you is what you do after it. You know, um most people be so stuck and stagnated thinking that um their success is predicated off the fact that they they can't they made that one mistake and it's not the truth. Like you can rise above that. You just gotta move, you gotta you gotta keep going. And um you can't stay stuck in the environment of these blocks and these uh these people who you grew up with and all of this stuff, if they ain't got nothing going on because it'll only stagnate you and you'll fail. You'll continue to fail. Like, you know, people do the same thing, expect a different result is never gonna happen.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:12

I gotta ask this because sometimes, you know, uh trials and tribulations come about when you come home. Like and the hardest the hardest aspect of trying to get over the uh say to get to the next level where it's though you is like the money aspect. That money aspect be having you having your mind wander and how you thinking about doing all types of stuff. Was that ever something that that that uh came into your your mind when you first came home? Like, oh I know how to do this, but this ain't working out right now. Let me do ever think about that, like was that ever a question in your mind like man, maybe I need to go back to doing what I know?

SPEAKER_03 1:22:44

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:45

How'd you deal with that?

SPEAKER_03 1:22:47

I would never sit here and lie and say, like, I haven't thought about it. Um I processed the thought. That's the thing. Like, I'm not afraid of the thought. I'm not afraid to say like I had that reaction. You know, I was in a group, right? Um and me, it was I was like the only female, and it was like six or seven guys, and we was in a group, and everybody was talking about like their um their vices and like how they were being um challenged every day. They men coming at them with uh work or you know, whatever their uh vices was, they were saying like people was coming at them every day, and it was like hard for them. And to me, I'm like I don't have them type issues. It was snowing one day and um I had to go to the group. So Kentuck had let me out and I walked across to um the Dunkin' Donuts. And when I got in the Dunkin' Donuts, the um Brinkstruck guy was standing in front of me with two bags of money. I started my palms started sweating, I started shaking. I was losing my mind from this man standing there with this money. I walked the brewer street from uh what's that? Something airy and airy. I walked the brewer street because that stressed me out so bad, like because I just wanted to take the money. I looked at the clock, like damn, this the time. I started literally playing the whole situation in my mind. Did I do it? No, but I went ahead and assessed the feeling and went about my business.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:28

150 grand. I'm I'm I'm it's a good starting point for me.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:31

That little B 50 boy, I'm thinking tons of nigga right there, boy. Could have been a little 80 ball in there be good. Dang you.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:43

Yeah, but you know, I assess the I process what I feel and keep it pushing. Like I don't get it doesn't um it doesn't affect you anymore, basically.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:57

Is it is uh so listen, y'all. Y'all can y'all y'all want to talk to the side, ask Sasma questions, man. Uh 215-316-4492. That's 215-316-4492. Um hopefully the phone is on.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:12

Leave it up to you. That should probably have to be.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:15

We only had one incident where it was off. Is it on, Tolfique? Yeah, it's on. So, well, but but we get to like that's that's a good question because like a lot of that's that's that's the one of the main issues that cause people to go back. The um I don't want to say not prepared to be home, but just the the the simple fact of the matter is like coming home and not being prepared for the actual the struggle to get to that next level.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:38

See, a lot of people come home with a false sense of pride too. That's why they won't get jobs at certain places and all of that foolishness. You have literally no money. Do you got a sense of pride? Makes no sense.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:51

I tell people all the time, man, when I like when I like when I when I left the streets alone, for me, I was working somewhere getting like $12 an hour, and it was hard for them like, damn, but I ended up doing it and gradually working my way. Because I always knew I can hustle.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:03

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:04

It's just that I just had to get, I just had to feel like I can do something to work towards something else. So I just was like, I'm gonna leave this alone, I got a job, and I started getting getting different jobs, but gotta work somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:17

You gotta start somewhere. You gotta start somewhere because how how can't you? I I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:22

I ain't working there, they ain't that they they they only pay eight dollars an hour. Yeah, I ain't doing that. I'm gonna be back out there with them yerky. I ain't nothing. You can't do that. No, no, no. Especially if I'm busting my ass and all that. Come on, man. That's gonna send a convict, an ex-convict back down this path again. I understand the the whole talk and the rhetoric with all y'all saying, Yeah, you know, you gotta grind, you gotta start somewhere, but come on, man. Like you, you, you, you ain't gotta.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:45

That's that's like that's the life.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:46

Like that type of patience is beyond me. Like you can we grown men, okay, or grown women.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:52

But that's true, and and and that's true. But so what's the what's the recourse? What do you be a beggar?

SPEAKER_05 1:26:58

No, you don't be a beggar, you try to find something different, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:01

Right, but until you can exactly if this what's in front of you is still something to sustain yourself, and it might be opportunity there that you can that you never end the story.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:10

It's just I mean it's it makes no sense for it. I had to do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:13

See, because my thing is I'm big on I help anybody off their needs. I ain't helping nobody off their ass. And that's what people do. They they sit around and expect you to cater to them. Oh, you got all this going on, you can give me give who I know that's right.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:29

Well, yeah, well, in the assessment, yes. I'm I'm uh totally agree with you, but you know, for the person that's you know eight down, I ain't winning. I mean, I don't even think it's a job that pays.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:40

Yeah, I don't think it's a job.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:43

I gotta work doubles eight day just to see something. Yeah, you can kiss this ass for real. Nah. But you got to jerk me to death to perk 30s, perk 30s. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:54

But my thing is what the you know, the point, the two facts that matter is when you um we try and make that transition. You just got to find something. It may not be $8. Yeah, but you're right, Doug. I understand. I get that. You gotta start somewhere and you gotta build somewhere because like it took me a while to really, you know, get into it, get to a point to where as though, because in the streets we used to making so much money. Like you said, you had you making licks and getting 30,000 in one pot. You know what I'm saying? For me, I'm you know, I'm making, you know, God knows how much money I'm making, and then I'm now going to trying to get a job to try to provide for my family because I wanted to do something different for my life. I had to humble myself.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:34

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:34

And that's and that's the biggest battle within yourself. That battle right there, once you get like he's saying, I ain't doing eight, but once you once you conquer that battle of having not having pride and and trying to move forward, the doors will start will start opening up for you. As you can see, you did it, and now you got your business, things is going good for you. It's just a matter of just you know, just trying to uh you know win that battle within.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:57

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:58

The phone lines is open, y'all. 215-316-4492. 215-316-4492. It should be on.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:26

Is the um is the is the maybe the maybe the witch calls is the uh She said, Can you ask her what was her pet peeves in prison when it came to dealing with the other females as far as hygiene and cleanliness and or attitudes and fights? So when it came to hygiene, all my celllies, I don't care Muslim or not, they had to make stinger. Um and they had to bathe. And I had one um cellly who wasn't right. I used to spray her with disinfect.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:56

So say it again?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:58

I had a celly that I used to spray with disinfect because she wouldn't get up and bathe.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:02

You sprayed her.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:06

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:08

Yeah, I mean, she needed a baby. I ain't going for that.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:13

We always talk about that having a celly that's that's that's trifling. That's just like a uh a crazy situation, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:18

Yeah, I ain't going for that.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:19

I mean, I never was in jail that long to have a celly. I mean, I had a celly might maybe for a day or so. And again, no, I was in the fact I was in the F what for like I think like 20-something days. So I did have a celly there. I always had a celly there, and it was like, but I was like, man, I was like sick that I had to go go and do that time in the in the county. That jump was terrible.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:41

Oh, because I could do what I want to do. Show me where it's harm at, James LaFlan.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:46

James LaFlay.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:52

Tell us my jelly, we speaking with Buddha from North.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:58

Shout out to Buddha, what's up, man? Shout out to North Philly, what's up, man?

SPEAKER_04 1:31:02

What's going on, man? I was just calling to get y'all y'all flowers, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:06

Appreciate you, man. For sure.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:10

Appreciate that, man. Thank you, man. I appreciate the support.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:15

Positive listening. I tagged in a little late, but we working overnight if you're sound like you sound like you're sturdy, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:29

I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:30

You sit down for 10. I appreciate the street. I'm just gonna lick it, man. I appreciate the message, but I think it's gonna be in there for us.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:41

Yeah, stay free, man. Stay free, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:44

Hey, man, keep your head up, bro. You gotta plus, I know how that shit feels, bro. Shit, crunchy out of here. Super no, bro. It's crunchy, right? I already know, bro. I appreciate y'all, man, but y'all have a good one, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:02

You too as well, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:02

Let me safe out here.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:03

Stay cool, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:05

I appreciate you.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:08

Hey, uh, hold on. Another thing too, I wanted to say, man. Um man. Go at. Uh hey, listen, if it's anybody in uh in the city of Philadelphia, if you know any elderly person, the person that's that's an elder uh elder that don't have a um a fan, because it's hot outside. It's hot, it's hot. So if you know anybody who uh who needs a fan, I want to put this email in the chat right now for y'all. Y'all can just pass it on to those who um, the elder who doesn't have a fan, man, and they can email this number here. Um send an email to this uh this email address at the bottom. It's um eohphilly at gmail.com. Email them and they can um you know help you help uh them get a fan or get what they need, maybe a small air conditioner as well. So make sure y'all reach out. Shout out to my guy uh Leland sent it to us. But yeah, man, you know, um a lot of times like we support is very, very important for people and helping people get to the next level, helping those around you. Um because people coming home don't really have support. They don't really have support. And do you think that's the main thing that people should that people need outside of you know money and support? Because the money, money, money you spend it. You don't have any support once the money runs out, now you back to square one. You need somebody to keep motivating you to want to do the right thing. How do you feel about that?

SPEAKER_03 1:33:39

Um I honestly feel like you can find support. I feel like there's a way to find your tribe. Everybody is not your tribe. So it depends on what you're looking for. Because if you're looking for for support from a specific people, that may not exist. But um like I feel like I have uh great support outside of my family, but I have a supportive family. But my a lot of my support comes from people who I was incarcerated with and stuff like that. That's a found tribe. That's a found, you know what I mean, support. That's not the same as coming home to my my relatives. I mean, I feel like it's different for everybody. Um it plays a huge role because it'll definitely keep you in line with what you're trying to do. It definitely plays a huge role for sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:36

And pew uh hanging around uh the wrong people, places, and things. Well, I'm gonna ask you this. How important is it to have a a good spouse, a good husband, or a good wife?

SPEAKER_03 1:34:48

Oh my god, it's extremely important.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:50

Because you think that's like that's a thing that sent a lot of people back to jail or have people in bad situations? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:56

Absolutely, for sure. Because you gotta look at and and I always tell people like the worst thing you could do is come home and get into a relationship because it stagnates you, right? I put myself on a back burner for so many years, just uh trying to be a good wife and do all of their things, and it stopped me from doing everything I had lined up for myself.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:16

But do you think that's probably just the person that you was with? Because sometimes if you have a uh a woman.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:22

But the reality is it happens more often than not to all people coming home from prison. That's like the worst thing you can do. And people start using things against you like I'll call you P.O.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:34

They differ for women too? A man until a woman is she came up from jail. I'll call you P.O. on you. I thought there's women that do that. So it's men that do it too.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:43

You know, a lot of these men is ladies, right? But uh so look at the nigga in the chat going crazy about my he jazz. That nigga's a lady.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:54

Who who uh James is about that nigga is a lady's school, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:00

James is a lady's school. James is a little fresh pot. He's on here acting crazy.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:07

Big sell just asked me a question. He said this question for black. So he said, so like Lil Dirk, how you think they treated him in jail? Because you know he got a lot of money and people doing life desperate for money. You know how that goes in jealousy. Well, first of all, Dirk is in the federal system. Dirk hasn't been convicted, uh, as of I'm not you he's still up in the air, whether he wins his case or loses case. Now the fads is totally different, man. You have cars, you have cars, so he's in the Midwest car. If he, you know, he's Muslim, though. You know, Dirk is Muslim, and you know he's underneath the Muslim car too. But at the end of the day, you're gonna have a lot of dudes from Chirac and all that that he knows. So for you to try to get if you're not one of them men from Chicago or Muslim that's trying to extort him is gonna be next to impossible. Because it, you mean coming from a car like New York or DC, not to say nobody can't push up on you and try, but you gotta fight the whole. Ain't nobody, everything over there is grouped up. It ain't no one man, like you can slide up on a nigga in the corner and you got him and you did something. Nah, it don't go like that. So he underneath a hell of a banner right now. First and foremost, Islam, then he's from the Midwest.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:15

And also he probably looking out for so many guys in that card. So is it just it just increased the uh bravado, whereas though they they probably willing to die for that marriage if you try him.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:26

But I just want to go back to relationships really quick because you know, this is this is this is I think uh the PO said it first, said it, said it, said um that's the number one reason why people go back go back to jail. Absolutely, but also that's the reason, number one reason why people don't succeed, I believe. If you don't, and just in life, if you're in a relationship with a with a with a bad partner, I just want to speak about that, a bad partner, a person who's not uh breathing life or positivity into you, it's gonna hinder you.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:54

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:55

And then sometimes once you get away from that person, you fully get away from them, now you you start to feel a sense of a relief kind of.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:02

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:03

Because in the beginning, you could probably be feeling you know discomfort because you're used to being around them and you and you may you may miss them and you may not want to be them. But once you really get away from them and you really realize that your successes and love that person now, but I just I just flourish. Now I got this going on, you know, everything is starting to open up for you and you feel a sense of sense of of relief. But I think you it just the comfortability of a being around a person for so long or having that people just afraid to get away from the comfortability, also what which hinders you and doesn't allow you to get to the next level because you have a bad partner or a partner that's just not that just not breathing life into you or not doing the right thing. Y'all not on the same page. And that goes to because even men, we can think that we're doing the right thing, we so good, and we be hired pieces of crap.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:51

The worst part be the soul ties when the people tie to the people and they can't get away from them or they can't see that that's the that's what's stagnating them and holding them back. That'd be the worst part.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:02

You just be stuck to them because of, and sometimes it'd be because of your disobedience to to Allah. Absolutely, and you just stuck and tied to them for the wrong reasons. Yeah, I I gotta get the actual hadith in there, but I actually read uh got got something like that. Um so now ultimately when you when you be with a person and you you you're trying to build with this person, you figure out that the person is not the right person for you, sometimes kids come about from the relationships. And then you still gotta be involved with this person because y'all have kids, you have children, and y'all trying to you're trying to figure it out, but you're not trying to uh uh expose the kids so much to y'all drama or make the kid look or make the uh the other parent look bad to the children. Um how do you navigate that?

SPEAKER_03 1:39:51

Um my daughter's had a phone since she was two years old.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:55

So the communication is like, can you deal with your huh?

SPEAKER_03 1:39:57

I literally have nothing to say. I take care of my kid, and whatever else extra comes about, I'm out of my business with in terms of their relationship. I don't mention them, I don't do nothing. Even when I mentioned, I still say nothing. I redirect it. Because we're gonna go ahead to something positive because it's not I'm not doing it. You know, we all I never try to um draw any type of negativity to them, their relationship, or how the parenting is going that way. I'm out of my business.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:35

Right? Bad habits. Um one way or another. One way or another. Um, how important is it for you to try to keep your bad habits to a minimum when you're trying to get to the next level for you? Like what is it, like how important is it to, you know, just it's extremely important get rid of bad habits.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:51

Absolutely, it's extremely important because it can be detrimental in one way or another. So you you have to minimize the bad habits unless you want to be stagnated. There's no if-ands or maybe's, there's no in-between, really.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:07

And I noticed that too, like sometimes, you know, even with myself, like when I, you know, if if I if I find myself having a habit, a habit that's that's like uh hindering me to move forward, um that the the the recognizing it is the the key.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:21

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:22

Once you recognize that, oh I got a bad habit, sometimes you can be in your own way.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:25

Right.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:26

And I go through that a lot of times too. Um when I'm in my own way, I gotta just recognize, hold it, this is a habit that's causing me to move snagly and not get forward. And it can be a bad habit of just hanging with the wrong people. You know, hanging the wrong people. That was that was one of the main things for me. I had a bad habit of is hanging with the wrong people. And being around the wrong people. And once I really got around it, I started being around the right people and focusing on what I needed to focus on, it helped me get to just uh uh uh the next level. You know, and it's hard, but once you recognize it, you gotta get you gotta get past it. Hey y'all, the phone lines is open, man. 215-316-4492, 215-316-4492. Also, July 18th, crazy event. You know, uh our first live event, Sa Money's gonna be there. She's gonna be there in the full effect. You want, we gonna, we gonna we gonna do something crazy July 18th. Um, before we get out of here, Sa, because I know you gotta get back to business. I know you a hustler. I know you got a lot going on. Um, you know, where do you see yourself in the next, you know, inshallah, what like you know, got you know, if Allah uh bless you to live five years from here uh here, where do you see yourself and uh what what are your goals for the next uh five years?

SPEAKER_03 1:42:44

So in the next five years, um I'll definitely hit my upscale restaurant.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:49

Um Inshallah.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:50

Inshallah. I'll definitely uh be in the prisons, uh aiding and assisting men and women returning to society with my um my course, my uh 32-week course. Um I will definitely be uh one of the most successful, um one of the most successful recovery house owners there is. Um I will have success with chatting over Chi Cheese uh and keeping lockdown love going. My ceremony where I honor men and women who've become successful at their incarceration. This will be my ninth year doing it. So um that's it. Uh elevated, fear in the love, you know, striving. That's it.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:45

Yeah, man. I wish you the best with that, man. Inshallah allow you to uh uh success. Allah mean where can people find you at, size? What platforms are you on? If they want to reach out to you, if they want to come to the restaurant, they want to, you know, do whatever, they want to be a part of you know, size world. How can they do that?

SPEAKER_03 1:44:03

S Y underscore money bags on IG, size palace on IG, uh Chatt Nova Chi Cheese on IG. Um, make sure y'all tune in to Chatt Nova Chee Cheese, too. It's on uh what is it, YouTube?

SPEAKER_06 1:44:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:17

Um and that's really it. Pull up 2832 Ridge Evening.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:23

And if y'all ever want to watch this episode, again, y'all know y'all can watch it on YouTube. Go to YouTube and watch the episode, it'll be available all day, every day. Also, we are on uh Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio, Spotify, all platforms. If you're driving, like I got a lot of guys who be driving it, the trucks and on the road. Anyone want to be you know a part of what's going on? Hey, all of a sudden your phone ringing when it's when it's normally on, do not disturb. Now all of a sudden it's ringing in the middle of the um your phone?

SPEAKER_03 1:44:55

No, I think it's mine. Oh, the side.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:57

Oh, I thought it was it's my bad.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:58

I thought I turned it off.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:59

So Saga gotta go as you can see. She's really, really busy. But we're on all platforms. July 18th. Get y'all tickets now. It's gonna be a crazy event. Uh, merch will be available, everything will be available there. We up out of here. Young, you wanna say something before we go?

SPEAKER_05 1:45:13

Thank man. It's Thursday, it's hump day, y'all. I don't do it. We're getting towards the end of the week, man. It's gonna be a vicious heat wave, so stay hydrated. We end it. I think we began it today. Tomorrow's gonna be like a bean 10 and all exiles 140 for real. So, yeah, man, stay hydrated, man. Take your main time out to think, man. Always take that extra two to three seconds to think it over. Because it could either ruin your life or cause you to live it to the next day, one or the other. Hey, uh, James the Flames, what secret are you talking about, man? I don't know what you're talking about, man. Yeah, he's talking about a secret. He said somebody performing that um calf live or something. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:46

Oh, we oh yeah, we got we got we got we got we got some we got some uh some guests. Um I think um you gonna um you gonna perform? You go um what? You gonna dance? Trip walk? Nah, I told you I don't know how to do it. You gonna cut little vicious on something? You gonna you can just you know do the tick or something real fast up there? All right, we'll see.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:05

But let's see, y'all said the tick. You know, Tom Pick is tick.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:15

But listen, y'all, we appreciate y'all for tuning in. Y'all already know what it is, man. Don't forget July 18th, we're gonna turn up, have a crazy event. Uh, what is it? World Live Cafe.