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Join us for another powerful episode of Tales From The Jails LIVE as Russell Barnes sits down for an unfiltered conversation about life, prison, personal growth, and the lessons learned through real-life experiences.
In this episode, we dive into topics that many people avoid—street life, incarceration, accountability, redemption, family, and what it truly takes to change your life. Expect honest stories, real conversations, and valuable insight from people who have lived it.
Whether you've experienced the justice system firsthand, have loved ones who have, or simply want to hear authentic stories that inspire change, this episode is for you.
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Rowling. What's up? What's up, everybody? Y'all know what it is. It's tell us from the jails. We're here live in Paris, you will say TNS Media Group with the team and the family. Got my counterpart, Mr. Braheem Jackson. Got a special guest today, man. A guy who I've been seeing, you know, I've been seeing him for weeks. And Dre Moi, I'm like, I'm gonna get we're gonna get you on the show. Gotta come to the show, gotta come to the show. Yeah, finally got you here today, man. Tell them who you are, man.
SPEAKER_07Absolutely, man. My name is Russell Barnes. You know what I mean? I go by Russ B1 on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, all that kind of stuff. And um, I'm a I'm a coach.
SPEAKER_06You a coach? What kind of coach are you? Russell, what kind of coach are you?
SPEAKER_07So I'm a fitness coach as well as uh mentor coach. Like I help other trainers, you know, start their business from scratch and you know, turn it into a personal brand and make money online.
SPEAKER_06Okay. Right. And uh so as you know, this show, uh Tellsman the Gels, we do not glorify prison in any way, shape, form, or fashion, but we want to bring real life stories, real success stories. Because sometimes think people think that once somebody goes to jail, it's over. Like your life is over. I can't get a job, I can't start a business, I can't do nothing. But as you can see, Tells from the Jails is started uh with a person who did significant time in prison, and you have your own business because you have a story that we want to get to the audience about your time spending time in prison as well. Absolutely. So, all right, let's talk. Where you from originally, uh Ross? I'm from South Philly. Yeah, what part of South Philly?
SPEAKER_0727th and South Philly, like 27th Street.
SPEAKER_06Okay.
SPEAKER_0728th Street before the 27th Street. I'm one of the originals. Yeah, I thought you were from North. No, everybody be thinking I'm from Philly.
SPEAKER_05I thought you was from North the whole time. That was a shock. Not to say nothing wrong with South Philly. I just you you got it like a north swag. Everybody say that. Okay.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. So you come from South Philly uh to 27th Street. Yeah. 27th from what?
SPEAKER_07Dickinson. Okay. I'm from the whole 27th, starting from Ofort all the way down to Dickinson.
SPEAKER_06Okay. Right. Well, now, as we understand, you ended up spending some doing some time in jail. Um, how was your upbringing like as a kid? Like, how was it for you? Like, explain to the audience your upbringing as a young juvenile and you know how life was for you coming up.
SPEAKER_07I had a beautiful upbringing, man. I I come from a you know a great breed. You know what I'm saying? I come from a good family. My father was dead for me growing up, so I had to learn to, you know, live without that. But um, my mom, she did a rare, she did a very great job, man. And I just was around family. I got a real big family in South Philly. So, you know, I had a real good upbringing.
SPEAKER_06I was uh so you said your father passed away?
SPEAKER_07Yeah. How he passed away? Well, my father, um, he was in a black mob. Uh he got killed two months right before I was born. So, you know, I mean, like, I never met him, never heard his voice, never none of that. But I just always heard a whole lot of stories about him. So, you know, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Okay. And how was that for you coming up? Like, without your, you know, your father, do you feel like any effects of that coming up as a young kid, juvenile?
SPEAKER_07Absolutely. Like, so I used to hear people be like, yo, I hate my dad, or I don't, I would never speak to my dad. And I used to be like, Well, at least you got the opportunity to. You know what I mean? Like, I never was presented that opportunity ever in life, and never will. So I always looked at it like, yo, you got a dad, and you don't talk to him, you crazy.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah. Yeah, my dad, you know, was in my life, you know, from a kid. And for me, I was happy to have a father. And I said, people people to this day still be saying something like I don't bang with my dad, like you said. I'd be like, I mean, like, how you how you can't bang with your father? People don't have have fathers. But you one of the stories that he's uh similar to that as well.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I don't have a father at all. Never met him, don't know what he looked like. My mom told me that she was my father and my mother. And then when I was young, she told me that so I was growing up underneath the the the false guise of like, damn, okay, mom could be dad and mom at the same time. So I got of age, like, well, damn, oh, I supposed to have a pop.
SPEAKER_06Exactly. Yeah, we all heard that say before. A lot of times I heard people, my mom didn't say that, but I heard something about those parents of the mother saying that uh that that type of slogan, saying, I'm your mom and your and your dad. But um, for you, Russ, now coming up, you said I felt you felt the effects of it. Um, what led you to the streets? How old were you when you caught your first case or got started getting involved in the streets?
SPEAKER_07I was 16 when I caught my first case. I started hustling when I was 12. Like I said, it was it was super easy for me just because of I was just well known already. Like everybody already knew who I was, everybody loved me, they looked out for me. So it was easy for me to just step my way into the streets because that's what I thought with the success was at. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm saying, like, like I remember I never forget this, man. I know a lot of people never experienced this, but I'm sitting, I'm standing on 27 for Ofer one day, and somebody passed me a gap bag and said, Yo, take that around Ellsworth Street. It was a million dollars in that bag. I wasn't no older than 10 years old. You get what I'm saying? At the time, I didn't realize that's what I was holding in my hand, but he he was like, It was a million dollars in that bag. So me hearing that and looking like, oh, all right, then this is the way. Because he got a million dollars in his bag, and he just gave it to me like it wasn't about nothing, and I dropped it off, but it was just a simple fact of this is what his success is at, like this is what uh this is what I'm supposed to be doing. So that's why it was so natural for me to just want to step into that life. Not only that, just hearing stories about my dad, you know, just seeing how my other family members was moving, you know, my uncles and all of them, millionaires off of drugs. So, you know, for me, I thought that that was the route.
SPEAKER_05I want to ask you, Russ, in your big age now today, because you know, a lot of people that go through the streets and crime and at a young age become come from a broken home. Me, I come from a broken home. My mom, I ain't seen my mom for years until I recently started got in contact with her and she died, and she was she was straight, wasn't on drugs or nothing. But I want to know from your mind, from your standpoint, as you think in now, a good grown man, a legit grown man now, what made you go that route when you ain't had to back then? Like, because a lot of kids, they in the they in these positions, but they don't know how to identify what made them do that. Like you had a back, you said you had a real good upbringing as far as in with structure, family, probably had all the glated sneaks and all that. I was out there, motherfucker, feet stinking and all that shit, because I ain't had nothing. Right.
SPEAKER_07No, you're absolutely right, man. I had every pair of Jordans that came out that ever I was the first one in my class that always had every pair of Jordans as they came out. My grandfather really stepped in and played the role of my father, you know what I'm saying? Because his youngest son died. My uncle Daryl, he died when he was like 15 from leukemia the day before his 16th birthday. So that was like the biggest hurt that my grandpa had to deal with. And all of my mother, my aunts, my uncles, all of his siblings. As soon as I was born, they said I was him all over again. I walk like him, talk like him, look like him, act like him. So my grandpa took me under the wing, and my grandpa, he ain't rock with nobody. He ain't even know a lot of my like he didn't even know a lot of his grandkids' names. You know what I'm saying? He loves them, don't get me wrong, but he ain't know a lot of people. He be like, Hey, hey, that boy now, but uh yeah. So uh basically what made me go that route, you know what I mean? To answer that question was mainly just what I was intrigued by. Nobody, nobody forced me in that direction.
SPEAKER_05That was just something because of poverty and nothing like that.
SPEAKER_07Nah, it wasn't because of that, you know. I mean, it was more so because of I just wanted money fast, and I grew up in a family of entrepreneurs, nobody had a job around in my household, bro. I'm not nobody, right? So for me, it was like, why would I do that? They didn't even make sense, exactly. You know what I mean? I lived in a three-story house that was a store down at the bottom called King's Corner. People from South Philly know this, you know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, I grew up on top of our store that we own, right? So I wasn't about to go and work for nobody. I felt like I was just gonna make my own way, and that's that was that was the only thing. It was my mindset at an early age.
SPEAKER_06I always just wanted to never be under somebody. So describe for it, you said you said you quit your first case, you started hustling on the streets at 12, quit your first case at 16. What exactly happened at 16?
SPEAKER_07I was standing on 27 from Reed, and this fiend boy, he was walking up, and as he was walking up, he like, yo, yo, bus. And then the the knocks was riding past at the same time. Like all the fiends they called me bus. The narcs was riding past these narcs called Keenan and them. So if you heard Keenan's name, you already know. Get out of Dodge. Kenan and them just happened to hear him call me, so they just whooped over on the payment real quick, ran down on me. I had like a I ain't really had much on me, but that was my first case. They booked me for whatever I had.
SPEAKER_06Juvenile case, yeah. Um and was it any more cases you caught after that as juvenile? Was that was it for you as a juvenile?
SPEAKER_07Yo, it was like a it was like a uh a snowfall, it was like a uh uh what's that? Avalanche, yeah. Cause it started listen, I got booked for that case, then another week later, I got booked for another case, and then I caught another joint, and that's when I wound up going to a juvenile joint. I caught three cases literally back to back after never getting locked up. Three cases in one month. Wow, unbelievable.
SPEAKER_05Let me ask you what juvenile joint they sent you to first.
SPEAKER_07Summit Academy. Summit Academy. Yeah, that's where I got working out from. From there. I ran track of Summit, and that's when I started working out. I ain't stopped since that was 2003.
SPEAKER_06Wow, wow. So cast those juvenile cases. How long was you incarcerated as a juvenile? Nine months.
SPEAKER_05Nine months, and you come yeah, it'll be long juveniles.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I you they give you a nine of twelve. I play sports, you know how they respected me up there, and they just let me go at nine months.
SPEAKER_06Yep. He always talks about a lot of times when juvenile facilities uh the uh staff members be uh putting hands on on juveniles and they real at certain facilities, good mills for every facility.
SPEAKER_05They they they they go by the model of touch for attention, ain't no yo, don't do that again. No, you don't get none of that. It's built to ass and don't do that again.
SPEAKER_07Absolutely. My experience was that, right? None of the staff, they they all respected me, you know what I'm saying? Because just how I operated, how I carried myself, they never really had to tell me nothing and all that. But it was one morning, it was an overnight staff, big fat boy. He had to be every bit of 400 pounds, man. He was from Pittsburgh, and I'm sitting on the desk, and he walk up on me like yo, get off the desk. But he send it to everybody else running around doing everything they ain't supposed to be doing, but he walk up to me and was like, yo, get off the desk. This is like six in the morning. So I'm about to get off of the desk. He grabs me. When he grabbed me, I still ain't wham. He slam me. I get up. I had a pencil on my hand. I hit him, wham. Everybody grabbed me. They ain't even do nothing to me. They let me ride about that. I don't know why, but they did.
SPEAKER_06Where you stabbed him with the pencil in his arm, okay.
SPEAKER_07Wherever I can hit him at.
SPEAKER_06Like, that's just how I was feeling. Like, yeah. Wow. So he's 400 pounds. You said then at 400 pounds, how much did you weigh at that time? No more than 140. So you come home from the juvenile facility. What year was this 2004, 2005? I came home 2004, yeah. And coming home from a juvenile facility at that time, you know, you obviously playing sports, you in shape as you are now. Um, what did you get right back into the streets, or what did you like to? He's like, I'm just gonna focus on something else for a while, or do you jump right back into the streets?
SPEAKER_07So in 2004, you know, the options wasn't, you know, plentiful, like how it would be right now. So I actually tried, but I I I can't even really say I tried, I tried one time to like try to do something different, and as soon as it didn't work, I said, I'm back out. And that's just how I went. It wasn't even a whole month.
SPEAKER_06Oh, you're you said something that was that uh I want to speak on a show, but you said the options wasn't as plenty as it is right now.
SPEAKER_07What do you mean by that? So, you know, right now you could you could literally build a business like that because we got this thing called social media, which is a great marketing tool for whatever it is that you want to do. You gotta remember these was pre-social media days, so I didn't really have too many options, or so I thought I didn't. Yeah. And I just went back to what I already knew.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, like a lot of us do whenever things get tough in the kitchen. So, speaking about social media, I just want to touch on this a little bit. Now, you speaking about social media and you building your brand from social media, um, and I hear a lot of people that are successful on social media and building their businesses, they speak about uh just being consistent or just being or finding your niche and being consistent because you can market yourself unlimited online. Absolutely for free.
SPEAKER_07That's the key for free. You can run ads if you want to, but it's free to post this. It's free to post whatever you want to post right now. It's absolutely free. And people be scared to do that because they be worrying about what other people think.
SPEAKER_06Wow, we'll get we won't get back into that. But let's now let's get let's get into you come home, you try something different, I'm assuming like a job or something, and then it didn't work. So you got right back into the game.
SPEAKER_07Man, I went on one job interview. As soon as they said something that I didn't like, I was so happy to leave out of there, bro, because I really didn't want to do it. That day I never had a job in my life to this day.
SPEAKER_06So you was looking for something for them to say something or do something that you didn't like, so you can have a reason to walk out the door. I wasn't, but I was happy that they did. What'd they say? I don't remember.
SPEAKER_07But it was enough for you to it was enough for you to walk out the door. It was enough for me to say, yeah, that's why I shouldn't have came here in the first place. I don't even remember. It was somewhere like I had to go out a little fur, like far. Okay. I think that that was another reason too, because I'm like, I'm not gonna be traveling out this journey every day.
SPEAKER_06So, all right, you get back into the streets, and what happened? Did you and how long was it before you caught a doubt case?
SPEAKER_07So uh when I got back into the streets, I was doing really well. Uh, but in 18 months, I caught a case, and that's what I wound up going upstate for for the nine years. And what was that? It was a shooting, it was a stupid drink, too, man. Uh basically, somebody owed me money. They told me, yo, come through here at this time. When I get there, they try to stab me. I shot. It was really as simple as that. And I just said, Yo, you asked me to come.
SPEAKER_05And that was that. And you asked me to shoot you too, by you trying to stab because he literally tried to stab me.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, like he had big butcher scissors in his hand when he opened up the door. Oh you money, and he was like, kind of like, yeah, this this is true story.
SPEAKER_05Listen up, y'all. Listen up, man. It happens, it's real life, man. Just because you in the right, in a wrong situation, don't mean it's gonna go your way.
SPEAKER_06Absolutely. So you knock on the door, he came to the door with the scissors and try to stab you, just out of the ain't he said nothing. He just just came at you with the scissors.
SPEAKER_07So he was at the top, somebody was already at the door knocking at his door. So he looked over the balcony, and when he came down, he opened up the door. And as he opened it, like he just like being weird. So I'm like, What's up? Like, you asked me to come through here. He tried to slam it, I block it. Yeah, I blocked that joint, and when I blocked it, that's when he he had the butcher scissors, the drink, the big drinks that you cut butchers with. He had them joints that's sitting somewhere, like just on the cheers, right? He had them, he grabbed them, and as he was like starting to advance with it, I just hit him. It was a nutty drawing. Like, that was I really ain't I really that was the last thing that I wanted to happen.
SPEAKER_06And you glad you I know you're glad you didn't kill him. Absolutely. That was and that happens a lot of times. People a senseless shoot ain't turned into a homicide. Well, I shall find. Like you said, it happened you open the door with closed door, arm, boom, and then you just shot, and then sometimes people die from them joints, get hit in the head, and then people upstate really for these type of crimes.
SPEAKER_07He he actually almost bled out because it hit a main artery. Wow. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_06But you know, so now after the situation happened, what did he say to you after you shot him? What did he say?
SPEAKER_07He ain't say nothing. I just said to him, I said, yo, you did this.
SPEAKER_06And I left. Wow. And I as you know, the cops are looking for you after that. Um how how long before you knew the cops was actually looking for you? The next day.
SPEAKER_07So he told on you. Yeah. So the next day, I'm driving down the street and my door is wide open. Like I'm about to go in the house. Oh, your crib door is wide open. Yeah. Okay. And on the other side, because I lived on a corner. So on the other side, it was a bunch of cop cars lined up.
SPEAKER_05Is this down South Philly at the time? Down South Philly. Little ass blocks, go ahead. Now I'm picturing it. I'm seeing it in my mind now.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, this was down South Philly. And um, I knew I was on the run from there.
SPEAKER_05Wow. Damn. How long you did on the run? Three months. Just three months. Your run was short. I had a short run. How old were you at the time? 19.
SPEAKER_0719 years old. Yep. And where'd he catch you at? On the highway. I took him on a highway chase. That's how I wound up getting more time. Because um I had I had somebody, I had my young boy with me or whatever. It was early in the morning, man. And I was driving down South Philly. When I got to like 30th from Reed, a detective car just turned their lights on. I had a brand new van. Ain't nobody even really known I had this joint. It was bombed out. They just got behind me and they started chasing me. Then I got like an aggravated assault on the cop. They said I tried to hit him. It was a lot of nonsense. You know what I'm saying? But they wound up setting up a roadblock. They had the helicopter and all that. They they set up a roadblock on City Line Avenue. And when they set that roadblock up, I try to ram through it. That's how I got another, you know, charge piled on top of me. Then they like, yo, but I got rid of whatever I had with me. And they was like, yo, uh, open up, they was like, open up the door. I'm like, no. I'm just like, no, y'all gotta, y'all gotta do the work now. Wow. It was, it was just, I was, it was reckless, bro. It was reckless, man. And I, you know, that's just what it was.
SPEAKER_06So so you was opening the door, so they what they do? They had to break the windows to get you out? They busted open and pulled me out of the the window. Wow. So did you come, well, I mean you can't come home at for for uh did you come home uh on bail for that, or did you uh sat the whole time? Absolutely not.
SPEAKER_07I sat and you know, um I wound up, that's that's when I wound up getting sentenced. Wow. How long were you sitting on uh what state road, I'm assuming? I was up state road for exactly one year. I did 12 months on state road.
SPEAKER_05What year was this again? 2006. 2006, 2006. No, you was already up in state roads. Yeah, I was in the feds by then. But everybody, I'm just trying to think about the G the It was wild. Yeah, well, I uncle only imagine because I left, I came home in 2001. Young, put your mic down in front of you like this. I came home in 2001. So I'm only imagining what 2006 was like. Listen, still with shaking and baking. So you was over there with the Rudolph McGriffs and all of them, and Sherm and all of them.
SPEAKER_07I believe so. All the boys from north, I was no, I wasn't, they was, they started spreading them around, I believe. I was with, I was, I was there when the boys from north, uh, from like they call themselves Bloodline or something. Like Lehigh and all when they was doing all of their nonsense, you know what I'm saying? But C12 was crazy. C12, you went to Seaside. I was on C12.
SPEAKER_05That block was wild. You down there with uh Hall and them, C O Hall, and look like they call him uh Jamie Foxx. He looked like Jamie Foxx. Jamie Fox. And he loved the rumble niggas, he loved the rumble niggas.
SPEAKER_07I kind of I kind of remember him like that.
SPEAKER_05And rumble good as hell. He looked just like Jamie Foxx.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_05He said, I kind of remember him a little bit.
SPEAKER_07I kind of do. Like, you guys, it was a 20 years ago, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_05But tell me how that encounter was for you, man, to first go over CFCF, like to be in that district to get a bell to leave the district and be on that road up, that bus up to CFCF.
SPEAKER_06For example, how much was your was your bell?
SPEAKER_07Uh quarter mile. Wow. Yeah, it was it was an unbelievable experience, you know what I'm saying? But me being oblivious to a lot of, you know, how how damaging it was gonna be, or it could be for my life. It was just like, all right, you know what I mean? So when I got there, of course, quarantine. The way I got off of quarantine is because somebody, I was only on quarantine for like a week. Some bull got stabbed up and sent out. Like it's and that's how I got off of quarantine, and I went in his cell, like where that happened at. So it was it was going down from the start.
SPEAKER_06And you not being used to that type of stuff, you know what I mean? Like, of course, because jail is a whole different thing, even though we we see violence on the streets, when you get to jail, it's like it's like we say controlled chaos, I should say. And it's like y'all just in the facility and you seeing all types of you know, fights and people get stabbed and all these different things. It's still like like mind-blowing uh non-duty to actually be even be in those type of places. How did you adjust? How so how soon, how how well how how fast did you adjust to the uh new environment of being in there? Excuse me.
SPEAKER_07Those types of drinks, it don't, it's not easy to adjust to, you know what I'm saying? Um it didn't take me like it ain't take me real long, but naturally, like that's what type of mind I got that I just gotta adjust to where I'm at. But it was it was a hell of an adjustment. I mean, adjustment because uh I just never been in that type of environment before. I mean, then I then I was in like in a multi-purpose and we ain't even gonna begin to open up that can of words. I went to the hole for a stabbing that I ain't had nothing to do with. They just took my whole multi there.
SPEAKER_05That's how that everything. Everybody wear that same jacket in there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07So uh so why they call it the multi-purpose room? Because they put, first and foremost, it was a room that was meant to be like a mop closet. It's a closet. Yeah, it's a utility closet.
SPEAKER_05Jill just got overcrowded and they need space.
SPEAKER_07Absolutely. And they put four, they put four bunks in the well, two bunks, four beds. Or was it more than a two bunks? It was four. Four beds. Yeah, yeah, four beds in the drain, like two bunks. And you just be in that drain. It ain't got no window or nothing. That's the only, that was the only place where they put people that didn't have no window on it.
SPEAKER_05So you was over there at the time when they didn't have a bathroom in there yet. They left the multi-purpose room open for y'all at night to use a cell that was vacant to use the bathroom.
SPEAKER_07Right. So they actually just had put uh uh, they just they just started put they just put the toilets in there at this point.
SPEAKER_05Or they probably put the locks on the doors and everything then.
SPEAKER_07Because it wasn't no lock on that door at first. This this is how the toilet was set up. It was just in the back. Yeah, they they had the lock on the joint, but uh, you know, you had to put a curtain up.
SPEAKER_05Mm-hmm. Just a sheet. Yeah. Just a sheet, three other niggas, boy, feet. This will make you lose your mind, man. How long was you in that cell with them people?
SPEAKER_06We went to the hole in like two weeks. So somebody got stabbed. There's four people in the cell, so I got stabbed inside the cell.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, um, it was uh I think y'all had him up here. He was my celllion there. Uh Wink. Wink. SMS Wink. Yeah, SMS Wink. Wink was in there with us, and it was three other guys. And um, yeah, they they they from the rip. They just snatched all of us and put us in the hole. That's how they do. Yeah. So he was in there two weeks, then you're going right to the hole. So it it probably wasn't even two weeks. Uh yeah, it was it was probably two weeks at the most. And that's how I wound up getting on Seaside, because that was like on D23 or D21 or something like that.
SPEAKER_05You was over there in a terror dome. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06That probably was a good thing to get out of there. Yeah. Wow. So uh so now you go to the you know, solitary confinement. You know, that's what they call the hole when I'm duty, but they they put you there, and then how was that for you? Like just coming into jail for two weeks, and now you gotta go be locked down all day.
SPEAKER_07Bad junk. And while I was down there, um some dude got killed over a cookie, man. Damn. In the hole. Somebody killed they celly about a cookie, man. Hungry. One of them black and white cookies is is white on one side and and black on the other side. Somebody died about that.
SPEAKER_05Lost their life about a sweets.
SPEAKER_07About a cookie in a hole, bro. That was crazy. And I was only in a hole for seven days because I beat the right up. Oh, I think all of us beat the right up.
SPEAKER_05But you know, but you know what it is though, Russ. Like, what that cookie means to somebody in a hole. Too much. What that like what's the value of a cookie in a segregation housing unit? For real. What's the could you see why nigga would lose his life? Could you see why? Even though you don't understand it, like, yo, but yeah, nigga was hungry. I can see why. That's that's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Uh-uh. It's nutty, it's nutty. We ain't sitting up here backing it, but we gotta get it people. Yeah, a cookie feet. A cookie feek, a nigga be sitting, you sell your steer at you sitting on that bed. If you saved them, oh don't save them till later on when it ain't no food coming in. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh my god, you but you like nine o'clock at night. Somebody gonna plot on that cookie the whole, yo, what's up with that cookie, bro?
SPEAKER_06A nigga be serious about that cookie like that.
SPEAKER_05Bro, better come at four four o'clock for 3:30. Don't save your cookies as nine o'clock, and you can pull them out, unwrapping them out of titching them. Like, will you get them? Let me eat your cookies early. Yeah, you like, yeah, I say like how many you got four? I'm trying to get two of them shits, cuz see y'all laughing. I don't even like to tell y'all the truth about it, man. For real, bro. Oh my god. That's why I asked you what's I want, because you know, I sit up here all day long, and they you know, they like to say I'm playing games and all this. What is the significance of a cookie in segregation housing unit? That cookie means somebody's life, man. As you seen. That cookie meant somebody's life. That's heavy, man. That's major, man. It's a lot of dudes running around out here playing around, acting like they stepping or doing these drive-bys, whatever. When you get in there, ain't no guns in there. A cookie get you killed if you ain't trying to get that Joan up.
SPEAKER_06Absolutely. So now you're going to trial, you know, um, you know, to fight this case, right? How was that for you, like knowing that you like you won't you won't gotta go to trial, you gotta fight this case, uh attempted murder, along with all these other charges. What was your mind state knowing you um, you know, what you was up against?
SPEAKER_07Um I just hoped that I got a five to ten. That was like that was my hope. So you was looking to get some time. Yeah, I felt like I was about to do some time, but I was just like, as long as it's a five to ten, I'm only 19, I'm good. You know what I'm saying? I turned 20. I turned 20 a couple months after I got booked, but I was just like, all right, five to ten.
SPEAKER_06You can do that, you can handle that. Yeah. So you uh, you know, how was it like the whole trial? Like, you know, this guy came to trial, the whole c came to trial and testified the whole time?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, it was weird, man. That whole trial was the whole the whole circumstance of it was just strange, you know, because it was really new to me. And I think the the the craziest part that still stick out to me, like to this day, is after I get found guilty and all of that, right? And they breaking down my sentence. And they like, yo, seven to fourteen, five to ten, two to five, five to ten. They they gave me like seven different sentences. You know what I'm saying? But they consolidated, yeah, everything except for the seven to fourteen and a and a two to five. That's how my sentence wound up being a nine to nineteen. Yeah. Wow. Because of all of the car chases and all that stuff, and then it happened in the guy's doorway, so they called it a burglary. So it was like they just blended all of these things in.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Wow. They was just throwing shit at the wall, see what stick. Exactly. Did they ever come at you with a deal before, like in the uh in the beginning of the trial? They didn't.
SPEAKER_05No deal? No deal. When they do that, they know they got you booked solid.
SPEAKER_07They never offered a deal.
SPEAKER_05Wow.
SPEAKER_06Because they had a witness. They had There was two witnesses.
SPEAKER_07The guy that was already standing in the door. Oh wow. Because they booked him. They booked him too. I guess he said, man.
SPEAKER_05Oh, you talking about the guy when you first. The one that was already standing there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Some old head boy from around my way.
SPEAKER_06They booked him. He like, oh listen, I ain't had nothing to do with that. That was uh Yeah. So how did you feel sitting on sitting there and watching them on the stand tell what happened? I ain't feel nothing.
SPEAKER_07I ain't had no real connection to them. So you didn't really know him like that? I knew them from around the way, but they wasn't like none of my friends or none of that. So I didn't expect nothing less. You know what I'm saying? And then on on the real, like, I'm like, all right, you know, I I I take full responsibility for my part, but I know that I ain't come here to do this. You know what I'm saying? So that's just what it was.
SPEAKER_06Wow. So you go to trial, ultimately you get found guilty. And how did you feel when you heard that guilty verdict?
SPEAKER_07I just was feeling my mom. I just looked back at my mom. That's that was my only thing I was worrying about my whole trial. I ain't even like I wasn't tripping on me for real. Yeah, even though I ain't want to do no time, because I would never just put myself in a position for that. But I know that my mind was dealing with a lot. So my whole thing was every time, you know what I'm saying? When they when they said that guilty thing, it kind of went over my head, and I just turned around to see how my mind reacted. You got siblings? Yeah. And my other siblings was already in jail.
unknownDang.
SPEAKER_05Why are you doing that?
SPEAKER_07Both of them was in jail. Both of my brothers was in jail. It was just me and my sister. Right. And then I got booked. So one of my brothers was facing 25 years in the feds. Then my other brother, he got sentenced to like a three to six already, probably that month for a gun. So for that to happen at that significant, like that significant time, it was it was crucial for my mom. You know what I'm saying? I can't imagine. Like, she got all three of her sons incarcerated.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_05So they ain't getting no jewelry bids. They get they in here ready to get numbers. Yeah, we we all got some numbers, man.
SPEAKER_07We all got some time to do.
SPEAKER_05Like, I like to say, can you imagine? But we could have never imagined what our own go through, man, when we put them through situations like that, man. And then for all like her boys to be in there, like, could you imagine what that woman went through, man? The stress. Her having to keep hitting motherfuckers' hands. Or I gotta get this son this week, this son this week, this son this week, then take care of my daughter, then take care of the bills. Then God forbid she by herself. Oh my god, you know the stress? That'll take her to an early grave, man.
SPEAKER_07We gotta tighten up, we gotta do better. Yeah, and my mother wound up passing away in 2017. When I went back after coming home from the nine years for something that I didn't really participate in.
SPEAKER_06Wow.
SPEAKER_07So I did another five years, but we can get to that later. But at the end of the day, though, yeah, man. Like Black said, at the end of the day, you never know what type of trauma and pain this is causing to your mother when you out there doing whatever you feel like you think is right at the time. You know what I mean? And and the thing is, you never know if that's even gonna be your last time, even being in your mother's presence, yeah. Presence. Wow. It's real, man. And uh I'm the baby. You know what I mean? I'm the youngest. So for that to happen to me, you know what I mean? I know the worry that she had was extreme. And even though she knew I can take care of myself, it was just a simple fact that I was always gonna be the baby.
SPEAKER_06You know how the mom does the last child. Yeah. She like carrying you around, who everything. Like the other kids can't mess with you. Like they just, you all they, they just like you're the only child in their eyes a little bit. But they got other kids, but they just favor you the most because you're the last baby. Yeah. And then having to go through that, wow, and then you your brothers go to jail, and then you go to jail. Now, after the sentencing, you get sent upstate. Yeah. What was the first jail you went to?
unknownGreaterfort.
SPEAKER_07Greaterfort. Well, you know, that was just like a diagnostic type of thing, but they just sent you through. I was at Greater Fort for like a a month almost. We had opened up the old side back up because they had put everybody on the new side, and then they we opened, it was filthy. Like extremely filthy.
SPEAKER_06Wow.
SPEAKER_07Like an old dirty factory from it was dusty.
SPEAKER_05Freak always liked to ask this question what was that experience like to you pulling up the greater fruit? Because you know, we hear the stories how big it is, how it looked like a castle and the minute.
SPEAKER_07Going to Greater Fruit was like it was like a bad dream coming true.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_07You know what I'm saying? Because this the thing, like, I done went up Greater Fruit and visit my uncles back in the day, went to Dallas and visit my uncles back in the day, but to be in there, yeah, I couldn't believe it. And then to see all like the old school dudes, dudes that people thought was probably dead, old heads from back in the day. You know what I'm saying? They was in the joint passing out clothes. It was crazy, man. It was surreal.
SPEAKER_06And I and everybody talked about that famous question actually when you get there. Where you want your body?
SPEAKER_05If that statement right there alone, don't even if you didn't hear it physically yourself by going through it, but that statement alone, where you want your body sent to. Like, I don't know, but for me, and I'm I'm quite sure for like for the dudes that been there, but like, that's a hell of a statement, man. To be looking in the motherfucker's face saying there, you ain't asking me my age, or you gonna get all that next. But or before we start anything, where you want your body? I don't even know how to answer that my first time in jail. What do you like like what do you how do you answer that? I want my body sent to uh what you mean where where what you mean where as I go home? Because I'm thinking what when I'm released, where I want to go to.
SPEAKER_06What did you say, Russ? Let me ask you that. I don't remember. That's like normally the body can send to the thing.
SPEAKER_05I said, huh? What you mean? Exactly.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I think that that was my genuine reaction. Like, what you mean? Like, I don't get what you asked me. Right. Yeah, what would you want your body to go if something was to happen to you? And it was like You telling me that something people be having to get somewhere?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, like wow.
SPEAKER_06So that's what I'm saying. Like, like, like that's a that's a good question to ask to somebody. How do you respond to that? Like, what do you say? Are sentencing to the funeral home right away or sentence my mom? Like, how do you answer that?
SPEAKER_07I don't I don't even remember my answer.
SPEAKER_06Like, how that's what I'm saying. That what like I don't know the funeral home address. You did.
SPEAKER_05Like, they talking about we'll send it anywhere you want to send it to. You're gonna mail me to my doorstep? Yeah, wherever you wrote down on the paper, that's where you're going to. That's crazy. Damn it, done it. That's crazy. And then they'll figure it out. Like, yeah, they pull up probably with a van.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I think I said I want it, I want my family to have it. Yeah, you know, like that's the only really logical answer you can give to that question.
SPEAKER_05But that's why they asked that question because if they had a protocol where they were sending someone to after being deceased while incarcerated, you're supposed to go to the morgue or something. No, where you want to go at? We're giving you your pick. Like, that's heavy to be they pull up in front of your mom crib in a meat wagon like your son out there in the vein.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, and to be, you know what I'm saying, that young, going up them joints. Change your perspective on a lot of things.
SPEAKER_06So um, you know, you go from Greater Fort, and where you go up from there?
SPEAKER_07I went to Camp Hill and I was in Camp Hill for three months.
SPEAKER_05I want you to give it to give the uh audience a little insight on because I've never been upstate. Never always did like lose. I come to the county and fight a case, whatever go right back out. I never had to go upstate. I did all my time federal. But always hear about this Camp Hill. They say how the guards treat you, how you get one minute shower or 30 seconds. You gotta sh laugh her up before go ahead and explain how all that is. How was this, how did that fuck with you mentally? Yeah, Camp Hill was different.
SPEAKER_07Basically, it was this, it was this guard, they used to call him body snatcher.
SPEAKER_05A guard called body snatcher.
SPEAKER_07You'll wake up in the morning, they be like, yo, where's such and such and them at? He in a hole. Just because he had his TV up.
SPEAKER_05Just a little bit. Send you to segregation housing unit overnight.
SPEAKER_07He was sending people to the hole. If he walked past your cell when he heard your TV, you go into the hole. Yeah. You know, but the authority, abusive authority, but go ahead. And then going into Uh basically how you were saying you literally had to lather up your whole entire body, put your soap on in the cell, come out with a towel on, because the showers was literally seconds. Like you will only be in the shower long enough to get the soap off your body, and then you got to get back out and make your way back town.
SPEAKER_05Well, what happened if you don't get out? Will it be like, yeah, time up?
SPEAKER_07You're going to the hole.
SPEAKER_05Camp Hill was like racist. So would a guard be outside yourself, I mean your shower, like timing it or something?
SPEAKER_07They used to be screaming. Like that. These is look, right here is the showers, and this is where the guards is at. They are in the front of the showers. Oh, they and they screaming. And they like, yo, you getting that when you and basically, like, as soon as you get in there, they like you got 10 seconds. Wow. I just stepped foot and I ain't even turned the water on. The water already be on. Oh, so it's already on. It's it's listen, they just got that joint running.
SPEAKER_05But did you do you hear the magnitude of what you're saying? I want everybody to get this, man. You gotta laver up in yourself, meaning get your rag soapy, laver up, put a towel on, and go to the shower just to rinse off. To get a decent, and that ain't even really a decent wash, if you ask me. But it's it's it's it's the best you're gonna get.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, like you, you, you're not gonna have time to really just like really digest that you actually in the shower. It's like as soon as you get in, once you get get that soap off of you, you know what I mean? You you grabbing your towel for real and trying to get back out. Just to avoid going to the hole like you're doing something wrong by getting in the shower.
SPEAKER_06And you said they racist. What made you think that they was racist? What happened that made you think that?
SPEAKER_07Everybody know that. But basically, so how they operate is like is is is like it's in them. Like you just see it. You ain't even gotta like have a racist encounter to know how racist it is.
SPEAKER_05Wow. They postures, how they talking, yeah. Everything about everything.
SPEAKER_07They hillbillies, they from like in the hills.
SPEAKER_02They looking at you, they talking to you, boy.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, they talking crazy, they say stuff that that they didn't hide it.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, so they get they they just saying that come get over there, boy. No, he said they talk about they said they couldn't.
SPEAKER_07I mean, they would do that, but you know, yeah, it's it's like a parent. You kind of you you you you can feel that energy like when you're around somebody like that. You know what I mean? It was it was it was crazy.
SPEAKER_05And then it's numerous, like it's just one. You got numerous guards just projecting this energy off of them.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, and this was back in 07. You know what I mean? And I was I was actually happy 20 years ago. Yeah, I was actually happy that they had uh Islamic classes there. Oh, they had their day. I was a little bit surprised. You know what I'm saying? But yeah.
SPEAKER_06You were there for what you said, three months? Three months, yeah. So, but it what's this powder? They say they thought you gotta put this powder soap on something like that.
SPEAKER_07It's not powder soap, it just looked like you got a bunch of powder on you.
SPEAKER_06Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_07So say if you lather your body up just with dry soap, basically, or just you wet the soap a little bit and get it all on your body, it just look like you can see, you can see it like wax.
SPEAKER_06Oh wow. Yeah, and they stand right there in front of this because this is a visual for the young guys who are here breaking law. Anybody breaking law, you stand in front of a shot, you're in the shower, and it's a grown man standing there looking at you washed up while you you naked. Modern team trying to rush you out that joke. Looking at all looking at it's invading your privacy, just looking at your outer and everything is there. He just sits in there, hurry up.
SPEAKER_05And you see that they all ain't intact uh from the episode that we did the other day where the officer got locked up. Uh he's taking pictures of the inmates' genitals and sending it to his staff members. So, yeah, this is the shit that they be on in there, bro. You ass naked, you thinking you're doing a regular shower or pat down and he flicking you up. That's crazy, bro.
SPEAKER_06Beyond. Wow. And you probably never can get used to that. That right there, the one thing that I'm used to it.
SPEAKER_07I ain't gonna lie. I'm gonna keep it 100. The one thing I never ever got used to, no matter how many times I had to go through it, no matter how many visits I went through, was that cavity search, man. I hated it.
SPEAKER_06Explain to them what a cavity search is.
SPEAKER_07Basically, look, you you get naked, and then they ask you to spread your cheeks, man.
SPEAKER_05And do some form of cough and cough because they want to caught up in squat. They want it to constrict that. If it constricts, then you're holding something in that cavity, it will remove itself. And this is this is for real. This is literally this is real. Listen, I was just saying this.
SPEAKER_07Literally, every time, like if you go on a visit, this is gonna happen. When you come off the visit, yeah, this is what's gonna happen. This is just just normal protocol, and people got so used to it that they be in there laughing and joking with the staff that's telling them to squat and call.
SPEAKER_05Um, that's me. That's me though, Russ. I told him one time up here, right? The police say a shooting happened out here right now. Somebody running this building that did it. Police they think they went on the third floor, came up in here while we shooting right now. Busting the door. Boom, everybody! Strip, give them strip, strip. Why y'all looking like what you mean, strip? What you mean, strip? We just in here recording, and y'all look back at the me to see if I hear what they say. I'm ass naked like this.
SPEAKER_06But I'm not doing that.
SPEAKER_05I'm like this, but this is how it fucked me up, though, bro. It would conform to you. Like, I don't want to strip in front of no man, but it's nothing to me now. Like, you have you have took my shyness away of being, you know, I mean, you're supposed to have a little shyness with you, like, damn, man, I'm naked all around these men. I I have that no more. They have destroyed that in me. Yeah, every shakedown. Every shakedown. You stripping for damn near everything, bro. They come in, yeah. We're gonna straight you don't know, step back and tell you, yeah, you take all that off. Take it off? You gotta talk about some ass naked socks, every ain't no just dropping drawers, wiggling. No, take that. I want to see him. They filling your draw, ain't nothing in them drawers. But you just want to humiliate me. But go ahead, Russ, man. I don't want to, you know what I mean? It's all about you today, because I I'm getting emotional now because that shit is real, bro.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_05They'll take you in there and strip you of your pride, man.
SPEAKER_06So you you uh can't pill three months, you leave there, and I'm assuming what jail you went to next. I went to FARS. And that was your home jail?
SPEAKER_07SCI FARS, yeah. They just opened that jail up in 06. I got there in 07.
SPEAKER_05I heard they had video games and stuff up there. Is that true? Not when I was there. All right. Somebody was that probably wasn't far as it went in the juvenile uh upstate drinks. They said they had like Nintendus or X.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, like in the juvenile joints, they got they had stuff like that. But when I got to Fars, it was wild, man. Like, I don't I guess all of the county beefs led to upstate, led to FARS. So um yeah, that stuff was going on up there.
SPEAKER_06So you get there, it's like wow, they they they already getting it stabbins and all types of stuff going on. Yep. And you you just coming through like damn. So how how long? Well, you got you got you gotta get adjusted to that too, because now you're upstate. And the counties, I'm I'm assuming it's a little different because it's like more compact, yeah. But in upstate, the the the the jail is is huge.
SPEAKER_05You just want to use it's the same thing like the county. The county is huge, but you're segregated to certain blocks. Yeah, upstate or in the feds, you ain't gonna be.
SPEAKER_07I call the county an island, like like Gilligan's Island. It's like it's no way off of this island. Like you're just here. Unless you're going on a visit, this is the only time you won't really get off of the block.
SPEAKER_05See, whereas upstate or in the feds, up top, you out. It's an open compound. Everybody is mingling together. Yeah. Regardless of how many units you got, rec yard. You don't got no, well, you got a little ass rec yard in the counties, but that ain't no wreckyard for real. That's I like to call that what a goddamn a pod yard. Yeah, yeah, a pod yard. That ain't no rec yard.
SPEAKER_06So now you're at Forest, right? You get there, the violence is at an all-time high. How did you adjust to the violence uh that trans is that transition from the county to the upstate? How did you adjust?
SPEAKER_07I was already kind of adjusted to the violence because I didn't seen so much of it just in the county and everything else. I just was like, you know, I just stayed and, you know, I just did my own thing type stuff. You get what I'm saying? But as far as like adjusting to the violence, it's like it was it was still happening. Like it was it was going on, it was going down.
SPEAKER_06What was that moment for you that's you know, like the we have the uh I arrive moment, like the the moment that that something happened, like when you got there at Forest, I was like, damn, it's crazy. What happened that you saw? Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Um I think uh when I first seen somebody get fired, rescued out, basically they they had.
SPEAKER_05Tell them what fire rescue is though, not to cut you off, because a lot of people don't know what that is.
SPEAKER_07So a fire rescue is basically if somebody gets stabbed up real bad, the fire, I mean the the you know, helicopter come in, put them on a joint like on the movies, you know what I'm saying? Put them on the stretcher and fly them out like that. Yeah. So that's that's when I realized, you know, it's people up here that's probably not gonna never go back, like that's gonna die in this joint.
SPEAKER_06So to see that happen, and the person was laying there possibly lifeless, and he had to get fire rescue out of the building, that that that makes you put your guard up a lot more, make you because you get more focused, uh, more aware than you already are because you've seen that firsthand. Right. So so for you, just being in there and now seeing that is like, damn, I gotta really, really focus, man.
SPEAKER_07Absolutely. So, you know, I'm I guess like just different places I go, people just naturally like be cool with me. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, people either called me Bruce Lee or Uncle Russ. So it wasn't like I had issues with people, you know what I'm saying? Like I didn't I didn't have issues in the jail, nobody like wanted to stab me or none of that. So I knew that I was cool just because of how I carried myself, you know what I'm saying? And when stuff got on, if it wasn't nobody immediate to me, I mind my business. That's what that's what jail makes you do naturally. Like you can have a cellly, right? And y'all could be celllies for like seven, eight months, and y'all never have a personal conversation. Everything is about something that was on TV, or it was about just whatever, because like you never really want to ask him about his personal life and the same thing. It gotta just happen naturally to where it's just like a natural open up, like, yeah, you know this and that, blah, blah, blah. But I think that that's where I kind of like I had to like open that that that wall back up because that's how I came home. I couldn't, it was hard for me to open up to anybody. Like, you shut down in them drinks.
SPEAKER_06So you in there with a celly, and y'all just don't, you you really don't even know nothing really about this person, other than that y'all in this cell together.
SPEAKER_07No, never ask him no questions or nothing. Wait for him to say whatever he wants to say, and then still not ask questions, just be like, oh, that's crazy.
SPEAKER_06You mentioned something about minding your business. How important was that? Uh, how important is that in jail, and how how fast did you realize that mind your business is very, very important, you know, for you while you're in in jail.
SPEAKER_07That's the most important thing you can do in jail is mind your business. Especially if it doesn't concern you or somebody that's immediate to you, right? Uh, what you what you asked me.
SPEAKER_06I was saying, how when did you realize the importance of minding your business?
SPEAKER_07Oh, when I was in the county. When I was in the county, I realized like, all right, minding my business is probably the best thing that I can do in these joints. Because uh I like yo, this this this was one of the situations that happened in the county that made me realize like minding my business was the option. Some boy, he was from South Philly. I didn't know him on the street. He's from like 13th Street somewhere, whatever. Me and him, we got a little all right, but he had a lot of issues with people. So one boy, he walk up on me. Now, mind you, this is not my homie or none of that. We just conversate from time to time. But one of the boys walked up on me, like, yeah, I see you be talking to the bull. I'm about to bang him out. So I'm like, What? And he was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm banging him out, this and that. It's this ain't got nothing to do with you though. So I'm like, I ain't know what to do, to be honest. Because my whole thing is like, do I go tell him, like, yo, bull on your top, or do I just mind my business? You know what I'm saying? And in those type of situations, I'm young, you know what I mean? I don't know that guy like that. He did what he said he was gonna do. But it made me say, all right, I'm just gonna mind my business.
SPEAKER_06And that was that. Wow. So he said, I'm gonna bang this guy out. Meaning, I'm meaning that means you're gonna I'm gonna put the knife, I got a knife or lock in the sock, and I'm gonna get at him. And you just gotta sit there and really mind your business. Cause you're like, like you said, I don't really know him. I just conversate with him, I don't really know him like that.
SPEAKER_07Right. I just met him, and he had aggressive, he had an aggressive nature about him. He started stuff with people. Okay. So I knew that whatever that bull, because that bull, he didn't start stuff with people. The one that walked up on me and told me he was gonna bang him out.
SPEAKER_05It was serious if he was coming to you with it.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, because he just he just had respect for me. Like, I don't want you around, or I don't want you to get into this because this ain't got nothing to do with you. This is something that he did. You know what I'm saying? So he he came and was like, yo, I'm gonna bang him out. And he he bung him out that night. Got it. Like, like literally, as soon as we came out, sent him out too. Yeah. But that that just put me in the mind frame of I can't be getting too close to people, especially if I don't know what they got going on.
SPEAKER_06I'm not I'm not involving myself in their beef. Let's get back to upstate because it's something he always asks a question about, like, you know, this this this lock in his sock thing that he talks about. Um, you know, uh, he talks about comparing the lock and a sock to the knife. I guess you could probably elaborate on it a little more than me, young, because you are your.
SPEAKER_05Well, first and foremost, have you seen that lock and sock work? Absolutely. You've seen that knife work. Absolutely. Now, the question is to you right now. I ask you, if you were in the altercation with another convict, right? You, and the altercation really ain't carry on. Y'all just going back and forth with words, verbal. The good men get in the way, break it up. No, y'all two ain't supposed to be doing that, such, such, such, such. All right, y'all, y'all leave it alone. Right. You, you like, all right, I'm done with that. You watching TV. He leaves, but he in his mind, nah, I ain't leaving it alone. He comes up behind you, unbeknownst to you. From you seeing the knife work and that lock work, and he was gonna get you. He was gonna get you until you got recuperated and got yourself together, whatever. Would you rather him had a knife or that lock and sock? A knife. I'd rather have a weak banger than uh than a hard lock and a sock.
SPEAKER_07What would that lock do? That lock and the sock, bro. Them joints is anxious, them joins, bro. All it takes is one good knock on a door. No, bro, you'll never be the same.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, dang. You'll have a master because on a on a on a joint you turn, it says master. Yeah, you'll have that in print in your head, master. I'm telling you, bro. Y'all always want to laugh. That's why I'll be willing to turn on nothing, man. Especially me. I'm bald here. You you see a butt. If he got me three, four times, you see an M little A over there. Yeah, it's spelling out. Damn.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. So you saw that night for the uh that lock of the sock happened on somebody there.
SPEAKER_07I seen a lock and a sock happen in the cafeteria. Upstate. Yeah, upstate. Bad joint was bad, it was a bad demonstration. It was a bad joint. Because he got so he was in line and he didn't see it coming. He ain't see it coming. They the worst ones, man. He ain't see it, he ain't see that ball coming at all. And he he got him a nice amount of times before. Guards didn't intervene. It was hard for him to bounce back after that first knock.
SPEAKER_06You be gone. So what happened? What happened? So what happened? Just talking to the.
SPEAKER_07Guards came and all that, broke it up, sent him to the hole.
SPEAKER_06No, I'm talking about this. Explain the scenario what happened. So, what happened? The guy that's courting while he was in line, getting his tray.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, so he was in line about to get his tray. This was in Farce in the first cafeteria. The boy, I don't know where he came from. Like, I'm in line too. I'm not, I'm like a couple lines, like a couple people behind the one that got hit. The boy, he just walked past and and just started knocking him. Knocking him. And he ain't see it coming.
SPEAKER_05And that's a different type of you. I never heard that sound on the street. That that click is different. It's like it's not a pop, pop. No, it's not, it's like a it's a muffle. It's a knock. Yeah, like a real, like you like, what the and you know it. When you hear it, you like, oh, somebody got hit, somebody got the lockout.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, that drink different.
SPEAKER_06Dang it's it's hitting against you in your skull.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I'd rather for somebody to have a weak knife than a lock in a skin. But it but listen, even if it don't hit your score, it can hit your shoulder. If you ain't in a motherfucker, and try to hit that hand and hit this, this join gonna fall all the way out of place.
SPEAKER_07Yo, don't let that wine up be intact like one of them wines.
SPEAKER_05Short joints, like four.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_05BAM!
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Boy, wow. It's a whole new world after that. So did this guy who got hit with his lock in the socket, did he was he like unconscious, or was he did he check out or that nigga woke up and thought he was away?
SPEAKER_07I believe. You know what I'm saying? He tried to get away.
SPEAKER_06But he was bleeding. He was probably bleeding 15 minutes.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, his head was bleeding. You know what I mean? Like, like they rushed them out of there real quick, so you don't really see all the effects. Yeah, you just see how it happened.
SPEAKER_06Dang. And how often do these these attacks happen upstate?
SPEAKER_07Uh I can't really put a time frame on it. Because, you know, it's just different things just happened at different times, kind of.
SPEAKER_05I can, in the feds, once a month you was getting a heavy lock and sock dose. You can you can look forward to that. Yeah. It was so crazy that they was locking the jail there. If the jail went there, you'd be like, damn, especially if you ain't see it happen, they want another unit. You like, man, somebody either got stabbed up or got knocked out with that lock and sock. Yeah. It's happening all the time. It's nothing to see the you gotta see a person, a surviving member after the lock and sock. Wow. I'm talking about no, no, not with the wounds healed all up and all that, and he came back to the yard and they probably ship him off. You his whole attitude about life is totally different, bro. I'm talking about he he went in Christian, came back Muslim. He knew all these sore. Listen, for real, like you, you, you the people like to think I'm laughing and playing. That joint rearranged the way you think about life, man. Especially if somebody catch you with that joint good. You really like I'm done with crime. If you was a homosexual, you like I'm a straight man now. I'm telling you, that man, they're locked that lock different, bro. That joint jog your memory if it hits your head, bro.
SPEAKER_06Them drawings is different. So now, you upstate, serve me a time. Another question we like to ask, because sometimes people go go in, and I want to make it clear because you know I get a little flack from this too. This is like past tense, right? So you may have gone to jail with a significant other out here on the streets. What happened with that?
SPEAKER_07Alright, so actually, I wasn't like in a relationship when I went up when I was 19. Uh, but what happened was some girl that I knew from school, she just kept asking me, can I come and see you? And I'm like, no. Just go live your life. I kept telling her no. I told her no for 11 months. She came up there after I had 11 months in, and she started moving out. You know what I'm saying? Got real close with my mom and everybody. So it was, it was like it was yeah, but we didn't argue. And we didn't really go through much because for me, it wasn't that strong of an attachment. But the one argument we had was the only argument that that broke us. Wow. Yeah. And that took like four years. You was getting good time out of it. Good time. Yeah. It was, it was, it was like, yeah, it was it was cool, man.
SPEAKER_06So you got to argue and that was it. She used to stop picking up the phone and everything.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, she wound up changing her number.
SPEAKER_06Dang, how'd you feel about that?
SPEAKER_07I was salty.
SPEAKER_06You cried?
SPEAKER_07No. I gotta ask.
SPEAKER_05Come on, Russ. Russ, don't do that, Russ. Man, it don't make you no coward if you went there and thought about it, and one just fell. See, that's the that's not to cry like two tears.
SPEAKER_07This was my only request, if I ever had a request. Don't make me get used to you, and then you just fall off.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Because I didn't want nothing to do with you in the first place because I already knew that I was probably about to do some time. And I ain't really want that type of attachment. Yeah, you know what I mean? It's way easier. To do time without a significant other thing. Yes, it is.
SPEAKER_05Yes, it is.
SPEAKER_07You know, some people, you know, it's a gift and a curse, kinda. It's a good thing to have somebody there for you.
SPEAKER_05Feel real good, don't it?
SPEAKER_07Yeah. But it's also another thing for it to be like, you know, going through certain situations and getting on the phone.
SPEAKER_06You stress me like what she talking.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, not the nonsense.
SPEAKER_05If you had to advise somebody going to jail right now for 10 years, he ready, go in today. He got sense, he rate go in. He say, Russ, I got my girl, but you know, we a little shaky and it's not how should I go in there? Should I go in carrying it as my girl or Russ? Should I go in and just do my time and don't worry about nothing else? What advice would you give me?
SPEAKER_07I would say do your time and take it easy, man. You know, try to keep her around, but don't force it. And don't try to control the situation.
SPEAKER_05That's what men do.
SPEAKER_07You know, one of the things that I hated that dudes used to do. Yeah, I don't I don't care what you do, man. Just don't get pregnant. Just suck her ass up.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, just uh she could go out here and suck 99 wee wee's and come back.
SPEAKER_07You giving her the green light to just go ahead and treat you any or I used to be so pissed at them boys, like you niggas is. But let me ask you though, Russ, you did time. You don't see why they say that though? I see. No, I would never see that. I do though. That's some unmanly stuff to say. Ah, Russ, I gotta rebut you. Hold up. I can see, I can see why you would want to think that.
SPEAKER_05Okay, that's all that's all a mess.
SPEAKER_07But I wouldn't see why you would want to tell her that.
SPEAKER_05Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_07Because now she's all she's gonna take that and be like, tell me that.
SPEAKER_06Give me this. Yeah, he don't care.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, not even he'll be like, exactly. More so is like, all right, I can I can I can get out of jail free car. I can do whatever I need to now or whatever I want to now. Damn. Like, even if a person like, even if a person is thinking like that, I don't think that that's a good thing to verbalize to Lawrence.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Because now she's gonna kind of lose respect.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, a lot too. Yeah, for how again though, I've been in there a lot around some good women, man. A nigga tell that to a chick and they be carrying it like some straight up thorough chick shit, though.
SPEAKER_07So you got you got some, you got like it's that's the one person.
SPEAKER_05It all depends on a woman, yeah. You're right.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, but the main thing is, is just like as a man, I don't believe that if this was your woman, I don't believe you should tell her that. If it falls off, let it fall off naturally.
SPEAKER_05So don't tell, don't, don't tell her that. No, never, ever. That's something that you never see. I see why they do that, because dudes be trying to get ahead of the buck. Meaning, all right, I know she's gonna do it one day. So what I'm gonna do is give her permission to do it. Just don't get pregnant, and I'm cool with it.
SPEAKER_07Ain't no such thing as that though, man. It's like once it's it's like once it's being done, it's like you don't got no control over no pregnancies and none of that.
SPEAKER_05Well, let me ask you this, Russ. This is a question for you. You do your time, say you had a girl the whole time, right? While you did your time, you come home after the nine years, something come up that she was dealing with some bull behind your back. But she was riding, coming up there every week, sending money on your books, whatever you needed. Because you know, oh well, your girl was like your paralegal when you in jail. You got them running around doing everything for you. Go to my mom's house, go pick this up for my man. Or did you stop here? Exactly your legs. So, upon you coming home from incarceration and you find out that your girl actually dealt with a nigga. But you know, it just came out on some bullshit, not to everybody, but it came out. Does she tell you, like, then that's true, baby? Like, is you leaving her? Yeah, yeah, you ain't had yeah, not me. I'm out after nine years, I'm out. Russ, you selfish, Russ. I gotta tell you right now to your face, you selfish, bro. I'm about to tell you why. All right, tell me why. Help me, because I don't think I can know.
SPEAKER_07This is my logic behind this, right? So I understand all that, right? Like I understand it was hard for you, whatever you whatever it was.
SPEAKER_05And you sat in there for nine years, you weren't here to help out with nothing.
SPEAKER_07I I hear it.
SPEAKER_06Let me answer, let me answer.
SPEAKER_07But the fact that somebody else told me this, we can't move forward because now it's always in the back of my head. And I'm not gonna, I don't believe I'm gonna treat you right. That's why I I wouldn't be able to do it because I can't treat you right if I notice happened for a fact. And I'm not saying I'm gonna just be bad to you, but my mentality towards the whole relationship after that is I don't really care. And I don't want to operate with nobody like that. You get what I'm saying? So it's really not a selfish act, it's an act for that person before I I'm I probably do something to break their heart.
SPEAKER_05That was selfish. If you if you did it in that manner, that was that's what I'm saying. If you did something, like took them back and did something to break their heart, that would be something. Right.
SPEAKER_07That's that's the nutty. Like, I think that that's nutty. I would rather like we just gonna go ahead and um, you know what I'm saying? We're gonna go about our business. You know what I'm saying? And I love you, I love you, and I appreciate everything, and I got you. I'll like if whatever that I can do for you, I will. Like, it ain't no bad blood. Well, what if she told me?
SPEAKER_05But I can't move forward with this. What if she told you first? I'm still leaving. You never found out about no other way, and you wouldn't have known if she never said nothing. Like, you'll be. I gotta go.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I uh I'm gonna tell you why I feel like we talk about y'all. You gotta go too? Yeah, I'll tell you why, because at the end of the day, like it ain't a it ain't even really about it's about me not being, I'm not gonna be able to treat her right. I'm gonna mistreat, I'm gonna mistreater.
SPEAKER_05I can see, I understand what y'all are saying, but when you in the when you I did I did the majority of my life in jail, bro. And when you got a woman, especially if I said the scenario I just gave Russ, like if she comes to me, I come home, like yo, I dealt with such and such back in the yeah, I mean, like why are you coming to see me?
SPEAKER_06I'm talking you coming to see me now.
SPEAKER_07Yes, yes, we catching on the visits and all that.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, nah.
SPEAKER_07We kissing on a visit, and you know what you did last night before you slid up here, and you know you telling her to be quiet while we on the phone listening. Oh, such and such comes. That's the pride, all the problem. No, no, no. That's the betrayal.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_07That's the betrayal. Basically, it's like, yo, that's that's betrayal at its highest.
SPEAKER_05Ah, I think we gotta leave this to the audience to answer, man. Would you condemn her as Tafique and Rust B is talking about? I'm not condemning her. I'm not gonna be with her because that's condemning her. I'm going to that's condemning her, bro. That's condemning her.
SPEAKER_06You send her away. Condemning me somebody like y'all condemning me to a bad situation. I'm just gonna be like, all right, we can listen, I respect you.
SPEAKER_05But I got by you leaving her is condemning her. She loves you. Yes, it is. She loves you, she hurt. But all I'm saying is, y'all can't see your YouTube can't see past the point like that. And especially if she bought it to y'all, she gave it to you. She accepted something else. I can't, you know, see, right there, that's like dealing with a woman, right? We lower up, we get right back to you, bro. That's like dealing with a woman, and she done had five niggas before you, or or whatever. Now I don't want to remember. It's not the same, black. You can't say that.
SPEAKER_06Okay, she had a hundred niggas before me.
SPEAKER_07What she's doing with me. All right, but that's but that's it's not, it's nowhere near the same. Because basically, in my brain, like you all about me. But the whole time, if if if I don't call or if I'm calling, and this guy might be next to you and he listening to the whole conversation. I don't know if y'all was bidding off of me. I don't know what's going on. So at the end of the day, I can't do it. I'm gonna be in my head too much about how this type of shit went happen, went down, you know. I'm saying, and when it was going on.
SPEAKER_06Exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER_07All of that type of shit. Like, I'm I can't do it.
SPEAKER_06I'm calling then what you hang up with me. He's calling now you and phone him, and you leaving the house to go get in the car with him. I'm I'm in the that's what I'm saying. You're right.
SPEAKER_07In the car with him, turn the music down.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, like come on. Ain't no way. I can't move forward. I'm gonna be so stressed. I'm gonna stress myself out just trying to get over that. That's a hard pill of swallow, man. Yeah, I see.
SPEAKER_05I hear what y'all were saying. So I gotta let you. I'm gonna expect what y'all saying, but I'm one of them men, I'm a different type of man, meaning I could forgive her for that. I'm doing time. I did time, she didn't leave my side. That's why I'm giving you these critics. So you've been.
SPEAKER_07And we had a better chance of rekindling. Yeah, because she just left you. Yeah, but you come home, but I'm gonna see you rustling. I'm gonna keep it a bean, though. I I never, ever, ever spent the block with nobody.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_07Ever. I never got back with somebody after we was done.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_07Never once. So for me, at the end of the day, when it comes down to uh if she decided that she wanted to slide, I still respect you. We not leaving off on bad terms. You know what I'm saying? I got a lot of love for you. I I'm understanding of that more than understanding of her going over here and doing XYZ and still acting like it's about me. So I'm more understanding of a person sliding than a person staying around and doing some nonsense under my under my nose.
SPEAKER_05Could you get back with that person again if they slid?
SPEAKER_07No, that's why I said no. I never spent the block.
SPEAKER_05Okay, alright.
SPEAKER_07But it's always gonna be love, though. You know what I'm saying? I ain't never spent the block after a while.
SPEAKER_06I have done that.
SPEAKER_07I've never been a bitter person. It's hard. Like, I don't, I don't have no ill feelings against people. So I'm that way too. When I see you, it's like I'm it's like, yo, what's up? Everything good? Cool. Like, I still got good energy for you. But we just we not going nowhere. You know what I'm saying? My mom did a dime with my pop. Ain't did shit. So I ain't got no excuses. I mean, ain't nobody got a good enough excuse why they did XYZ. That shit won't work. My mom broke in the jail. That's a whole nother story, though. Shit was different. Like all of my siblings was made in jail.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, that's how hard my mind was rocking out for my pop. So for me to want to accept some some some stuff like that, some foolery. Yeah, I understand. I get it, I can't do it.
SPEAKER_06Wow. That's what's up. Shout out to your mom. She she she said she broke inside the prison. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07She ain't break inside, she dressed up as a prisoner. I just found this story out. This is all real rap. Can we hear the story? She dressed up as a prisoner and went back to the block.
SPEAKER_06So she put a jump straight.
SPEAKER_07I don't know how she did it.
SPEAKER_06Wow. Did they did they catch her? They lock her up for that?
SPEAKER_07I don't know what happened. Oh, so alright, one of my pop best friends was just telling me about this like two months ago. This was in the feds back in the day. I think it was at, but you gotta remember, what's the name of that? Louisville? What's the name of the feds joint? What Lewisburg? Lewisburg. My pop was, I believe he was at Lewisburg. It's in Pennsylvania. Right. I don't have all of the details on that, so I wouldn't, you know what I mean? But at the end of the day, that's what type of woman my mom was. She was rocking about her folks. Anybody, anybody acknowledge this. My mom was the type of person where anybody that was in jail, they'd be like, yo, they all got in touch with Miss Sarah. Yo, I'm about to send, they sent all of their mail, all they three-way, all of they, they, they mail through my mom.
SPEAKER_06Wow. Wow. And she and also you said that all your siblings siblings was made in prison.
SPEAKER_07Except for me. My pop was home when I was conceived.
SPEAKER_06Wow. We heard someone else say that too. Um Jeff uh OG uh boxer. Um got killed. Uh oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_07Oh Jeff Gantt.
SPEAKER_06Jeff Gantt.
SPEAKER_07Jeff Gantt was up for us with me too.
SPEAKER_06Oh, yeah? Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Shout out to Jeff Gantt.
SPEAKER_06He said he made he made his son in jail while he was in jail. Yeah. It's a lot of people out here walking around who was made or conceived in jail. Right. Convict babies. Yeah. Yeah. So for you, you know, Rush, and we we get to the point now. Now you're upstate. You at Forest. This is where you served majority of your time. Um, what was the hardest part for you up there? Like, you know, did you did you have any kids when you was in there up there? No, I ain't had no kids on my first bed. Okay, you had no children. So let's get to the you getting ready to be released from there. How was that for you? And when did you actually when did you know that you was gonna be released?
SPEAKER_07So I I had one of the most unique uh parole stories that I ever heard. When I went to parole, so I had like 10 certificates. I had a bunch of trades under my belt. And I was, I know Mayor was up here, uh, motivate youth.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, he said he's Sully, right? Yeah, he's right, my guy.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, we weren't Selly's, we was on the same block. Okay, but that was like my partner in like business. Like we was making all types of clothing lines. We we was just doing a whole lot and planning for the future. This boy, that boy, man, he made all types of, he wrote like 88 books in in one month, man. And I'm not exaggerating. He wrote books for other people. But basically, what made me realize like when when I was coming home. Shout out to me. Yeah, shout out to my guy. Uh we we uh I went to parole, and everything that I thought I was gonna say to them about how good I've been doing since I've been here and the plans that I had, they said it to me. Every last thing. I didn't say one, I didn't say not one word. And then it was like, yo, you going home, don't mess up. That was how my parole board went. Like everybody else, they go in there, they had a nervous situation, they was stumped fumbling on. I didn't say not one word. I didn't have one, I didn't say not one thing. They soon as I sat down, the parole guy, he said, Yeah, you certified in this, you doing this, you doing that. Ah, like he just ran down my whole bed. You only been to the whole one time. Ah, like all of that. He said, Yo, don't mess this up. That's how I knew I was sliding. Then you're waiting for that green sheet. Waiting on that green sheet. They came back in two weeks with the green sheet. That was a good one. You put it under your door.
SPEAKER_05You was in you was locked in in the cell.
SPEAKER_07I think they called me to the counselor's office. I believe so.
SPEAKER_06Mm-hmm. Yeah. And how did you feel knowing you was about to get ready to get out of jail after serving nine years? Marvelous. Did you tell anybody? Yeah. Any of the guys that was in there?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, and everybody was rooting for me too. So that was love, man. Like, like, it was it was a good community. I got, so I wound up going home from Pine Grove. Like, from Farce, I was up there like four and a half years. They put me in a county. That was when they were sending people to Michigan and all of these other places. They sent me to Indiana County. There was a bunch of us. From Indiana County, we did two years, and then they sent us to Pine Grove. So I wound up going home from Pine Grove in 2015. Where's Indiana County at? Indiana County, that's like right near center, like central. Like uh Pennsylvania. It's near Penn State. It's probably like an hour. It's it's right where uh.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it's a different IUP, yeah.
SPEAKER_07IUP, because we had their radio station as our radio.
SPEAKER_06Okay. Wow. So man, so now let's talk about the day you was actually released back to the you know to the streets. What happened now? Or the night, the night before.
SPEAKER_07Anxiety is at its highest.
SPEAKER_05So you're selling up with you and everything. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Actually, my best friend, L, my brother, Lyd, and my cousin Tay came and got me. And I was carrying this big tote outside of the joint, and L came and tried to pick it up, and he couldn't. And and yeah, man. And they was like, yo, what's the first thing you want to eat? And I was just like, I just want some of my mom food. You know what I'm saying? And and it was so crazy, man, because I wasn't after I got released, I just felt like I'm supposed to be here. I didn't feel like yo, I just came home, I wasn't super amped up. Yeah, I was just like, this is where I'm supposed to be.
SPEAKER_06How much has stuff changed in that nine years?
SPEAKER_07Tremendously. Like I I never seen social media until 2015. I never seen an Instagram, a Facebook, a MySpace, I never seen nothing. So we had took a picture outside of the jail, and by the time we got like out of they posted it, and by the time we got out of the jail gates, the post went crazy. And I was like, damn, this is gonna be the best marketing tool ever. I never seen Instagram as let me get on here and put a picture up and you're business, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Same way I see it.
SPEAKER_07Like, yeah, uh eating lunch with my family. Yeah, like yeah, I see it. It was never that for me. You know what I mean? It was just like, yo, because I had all of these different things that I was doing.
SPEAKER_06So uh that that day getting out, man. Uh, how was it? Like, what did you do that first day? What did you do?
SPEAKER_07I stayed at my I just chilled at my mom's house the whole day.
SPEAKER_06All day. Yeah. So now you're home. And let me ask you a question, because we because I I know you came home, you came home and started, I'm assuming you started your business, started doing what you're doing.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Okay. He always says this all the time. He said, he said, you'll find some of the best athletes, guys who have the best workout regiments, the best, you know, guys in the best shape in the world inside the jail system. Do you believe that to be true?
SPEAKER_07Yes and no. So people got this preconceived notion that, oh yeah, you was in jail, that's why you're in shape, or that's why you look young. But jail is tearing people up, too. It's people that's rotting away in jail. Like, people don't see that part though. They only see how people come home with a glow. But yes, there is a ton of people that's in shape. But back in the day, that would have been completely true. But now that everybody works out and does different stuff, this because I went to jail before, like pre-workout. I was the only person that I knew that worked out in 2005, in 2004, and all that. But what's on the streets or on the streets. Yeah. I didn't know not one other person. I'm talking about not one. Yeah, I mean, I it was, yeah, you're right.
SPEAKER_06I agree. We had like weights probably in the crib, but we really like didn't. Nobody wasn't running out of the room. Now working out was like it's a fad, right? Everybody's a thing.
SPEAKER_07It's a thing to do. So back then, I would have agreed to that. Like, yes. But when you come out here, you see, yo, people that never been to jail, they in great shape. There's a lot of people in good shape now because of I don't know, it's a social media thing, whatever it may have been, but at the end of the day, it's a lifestyle now.
SPEAKER_05The narrative and working out was getting pumped at a lawman rate, right? Right.
SPEAKER_07It wasn't never like this before. So, yeah, that's why I'm saying that is true to an extent.
SPEAKER_06So now, let's get back to you coming home, you know, this first time, this first stint, and you knew exactly what you wanted to do when you came home.
SPEAKER_07Right. So I wanted to make beats and um start my clothing line.
SPEAKER_06Okay.
SPEAKER_07I never planned to be a trainer or none of that. Like that was never even on the plate at all. Wow. So how did you just cross over that? What made you get become a trainer? So I had when I first got home, everybody was like, yo, I'm trying to get like you. Because I was in shape. Like, yo, I'm trying to get like you, right? So I had came up with this, because the the clothing line that I was already making come to find out that somebody already had the name. So I couldn't use that drink, and I was salty.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_07But when everybody was like, yo, I'm trying to get like you, and then I'm like, damn, how can I play with that? So I was like, all right, Xerox, because it's a copy of something. So I was gonna name like my clothing line that, and then I'm like, carbon copy. So I came up with carbon copy. And basically, because people saying they was trying to get like me, it would be like a carbon copy almost. And I came up with a fitness line called carbon copy fit. So when I did that, I went to go and promote it. And when I promoted it, I was playing, I wasn't really serious. I was just like, yeah, you know, and I'm training people too. Like that, just for a sense of promotion, kind of. And it went crazy. And a lot of people started DMing me and everything. I ain't even know what to charge people. I ain't know what that, I ain't know what to say to them. So uh that's when I just figured, like, damn, I could really make some money from this.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Wow. And you come home, you start working out, starting your um your you know, your your clothing line along with your your fitness brand. Um scribe some of the struggles just coming home and in and trying to get off the ground as far as getting your business going. Because people always think that you just hit it out of the park, you know, you just came home and hit a home run, and now you, you know, things just flowing as far as business goes.
SPEAKER_07All right, so I didn't realize how hard it would be to actually have a business structure or infrastructure or any of that. And then like it was, I wasn't really making no money. I was charging people like $20 an hour because I thought like people at jobs ain't getting paid $20 an hour. So let me just not knowing that I was really like underballing the situation. But I ain't gonna lie and say I had all of these big struggles because it seemed like it seemed like I had some struggles, don't get me wrong, but it seemed like when I was promoting it, people was kind of on it. Like they was they was kind of like ready. But I'm just simply speaking. on at a small scale. Yeah. You know what I mean? But it's definitely a struggle to figure out a business.
SPEAKER_06For sure. Especially if you especially if you never really actually had a business. Right. Now you come now you mentioned that you went back. Did you how long before you went back? Seven months.
SPEAKER_07Wow, what happened? So me and this guy, I guess we had the same car. I never seen him to this day. I'm riding somewhere where I believe, you know, where he used to hustle at. Now we had the same car. The cops pulled me over thinking I was him. When they pulled me over they like yo we know you got drugs and guns. And I'm like, you got the wrong person, officer. They pulled me out the car, put me in one of their the back of their car. Then they started searching my car. They didn't find anything and then they jumped in my car and drove around the block. Boom. And then the car, the cop car that they had me in the back of, they followed it. And I'm like yo what the hell is going on? I'm lost. They like yeah we we going into your house so I'm like I don't live around here they like yeah we know what house you be selling drugs out of. I say y'all got this y'all got the wrong person. They was like but you ain't got nothing to worry about then they kicked in that door boom they pulled somebody out he pointed upstairs. Next thing you know they put him in the back of the cop car in the in the patty wagon and while they was putting him in the back of the paddy wagon the cop that was in front in the front seat the one that said you ain't got nothing to worry about he was like yo yeah they just found some guns and some drugs in y'all house wow so it's really still not registering to me like they booking me. They put me in the back of the paddy wagon with him. So when I get in there he like yeah they found an AK two handguns some some some uh e-pills and some dope and coke it's still not it's still unreal to me mind you I just came home I'm doing what I'm supposed to do I ain't got nothing to do with that wow so we get to the district and they was like yeah they co-defendants and we looked at each other like yo we never seen each other in life wow but yeah that's how I wound up going back to jail man did you lose that case what happened with that case so we fought it we went all the way to trial boom we got a hung jury both of us wound up getting hung juries on it I told my my lawyer I said yo at this time we got two years in on this case my mother just died the month before I started trial my son was just being born my son actually the last day of trial was my son's first birthday so I was just ready to roll so I told the I said the lawyer I said yo if you can get me a one or two because I got two years in already or just about going on two years if you can get me a one or two I'm gonna just take it and get out the way because they took me two years to get me in the trial. So I'm like I can just imagine how long this this second trial gonna take crazy man you didn't even do nothing to do nothing. I had a bad judge listen in the middle of my trial my lawyer trashing the cops on the stand the the judge get up and just run to the back even the sonographers or whatever them people are they like yo he not supposed to do that like literally in the middle of these cops getting cross examined they getting tore out the frame they get caught in all they lives judge just jumping up and running straight to the back he ain't saying nothing so I already knew I was up and they gave me the same judge for my retrial so I was just already knew that I was up against you know I mean no good. So I was just like yo I just want to take that shit and get back home. So they gave you the deal that you're looking for yeah so when I got the deal I went to Greaterford while I'm in Greaterford I'm with some other guys a stabbing happened we all get took to the hole the next day is my parole hearing for like the restaff what wow they gave me a 36 month hit so I wind up doing that's how I wind up doing another five another five so I yeah so I wind up doing five years total from 2015 to 2020. Damn so mind you my one to two was up by the time I seen parole literally I maxed out the one to two so I'm like yo it's like I probably get a year hit and slide they gave me a 36 month hit which was a year over my maximum of my new sentence so the 36 month hit was stemming from my last jump and they still got me on parole when I was supposed to get off last year.
SPEAKER_06So you want it right now currently yeah I'll be off I'll be off soon though wow see that's crazy because it's two things that happened to you like you said he talked about this all the time because well we had other people here up here that said that they didn't commit crimes they didn't do murders and so forth and so on. And in order for them to get out they got to plea out to something that they didn't do or like it may be something of a less less a sentence but you got to plea out and say that you did something to get out of jail.
SPEAKER_05But you had to basically bite a case that you had nothing to do with and listen let me tell you something about this case every last single cop that was on my case went to jail for corruption Wow you can get that overturned I took the deal well you was already no no no no I think no I just found out yeah some cops recently got locked up within the last year dudes that took deals but they let them come down overturn that and put lawsuits in.
SPEAKER_07Yep they was still fighting their case my my case been like I maxed it out okay all right so it's really nothing it's a done to go over unless you want a lawsuit yeah some paint yeah for sure some back paint maybe maybe that's something that I need to look into pay me back like you owe that rookie I look I thought about it on different occasions but I just was like whatever you know through with it that might be that middle ticket that you would you send me I'm give me your name I'll follow for you so so alright so now you come home after serving that 36 months plus the one one what one and one or two so five years you serve another another five years you said after that yeah yeah I did another five so now you're coming home again after that five years and you had your mind made of what you wanted to do once again like this is what I want to do. Yeah and that was what you're doing now absolutely so um coming home right once again like I said I'm about to get out after five years what's going through your mind now after getting locked up with something that you didn't do what's going through your mind like damn I just did five years I didn't even do now it's just that I got a son and like I'm just gonna make sure that I do everything to the best of my ability because this is my first time this you know when I got out was my first time being around my child. He was four by the time I got home so you know I'm saying I've been around him in a visiting room but to see how he acts just on an everyday basis I just said I can't never let him get used to me and then go back.
SPEAKER_06Wow for you uh you know how many kids you got now so I got two I got three okay so I got two sons and a daughter okay how is that for you like being a father like like uh what's the most important thing about being a father to you being there man I think that's the presence like just just for them to feel that security in the presence is the most important thing and coming home and seeing your son he was saying he was four years old he got out yeah and and seeing him and seeing him like you miss so much like sometimes at four years you miss so much you know probably the first steps and you know you know a lot of things having him now at how old is he now he is 10 he's 10 now but you've so you've been home about six years now so uh being a part of his life now and seeing him uh grow now and do so many different things and you're able to you to be there to to be a part of his life how important is that to you like you know how did that how does that make you feel knowing that you're home and you got your son you got but two sons now right yeah so how does that make you feel like you know I'm home I'm home I can implement these things into them and how do you feel about that I feel good about it. You know I I think it feels good to just you know just be able to like my oldest son he don't live with me but when he's there you know I'm saying just to give him that structure making sure that he's doing what he's supposed to do naturally you know I mean that feel good that's a great feeling he worked out with you and all that too yeah he be working out with you that's for sure I had him in boxing oh yeah yeah where he's boxing at he was boxing with Rail boxing Rail Coach Rail yeah shout out to Coach Rail that's my guy man shout out to Coach Rail Coach Rail be helped me out all a lot as far as uh you know getting certain interviews and so forth and so on yeah uh for uh my uh for TBIC shout out to Coach Rail that's my guy Coach Rail so for you now you like you know you home now and then you got this this brand um and you're pushing pushing your brand how important is is that for you like to be able to come home and show people that you can be successful man out here it's it's real important man because there's a lot of people that don't have hope or don't feel like it could be done so the main thing that I'm pushing is impact.
SPEAKER_07And and you like yo it's overwhelming how many DMs that I get from people that I was booked with people that never met me from all over the world forget the country just all over the world man and they just be writing me and be like yo brother man like I really love I'm really inspired by you and people really just be asking me for advice I think you know I think that that feels good it feels great you get what I'm saying and the same token it just it just lets me see like how many people kind of like is in a position like now like people don't have that pride that they used to and they don't mind asking you know I'm saying like yo bro how did you do this or that yeah so I always try to send a voice note anybody that wrote me and I seen it I sent them a voice note you know I'm saying yo this is how you do XYZ blah blah blah whatever whatever yo when you do this do that like that you know I always just try to give a word like give some sort of advice to the people that ask for it.
SPEAKER_06Now you said something before you said um you know before you went to jail like in 05 you was the only person working out and you didn't know see this now 20 plus years later that you're actually doing something that you actually love to do. Yeah that's that's crazy because you never know where you where you're gonna be at and what's gonna be your you know your ticket because like me and him talk about all the time when we was young we never expected to be having a podcast or so forth for so and doness but we always would talk on the block and run away and you know do certain things but now we just bring it to just we just here doing it now just never know how life is just crazy man. So um what's the most important thing for you like you know what what do you enjoy the most about what you do the way it changed people's lives like I feel like yo man just one of the first people that I felt like I really impacted in a major way um it made me realize how much they changed their family lives from it too so like most some people that I trained became trainers and then they passed it on and I think that that's like the biggest reward for me wow listen y'all make sure I hit that like button man hit that like button man about to get to these phone lines in a minute y'all can ask Russ uh you know a bunch of questions but now Russ for you right you know you look at the you look at the Philly right and you did all this time and we gotta talk about this um the young guys man the young guys in the city the murder rate the killing now a lot of them are getting locked up man um what advice do you have to for those kids who watch and who may be wanting to go out here and maybe you know grab a gun or or these dumbass adults yeah that too what advice do you have for them after serving you know almost for 15 years in jail uh if you if you're not already fully entrenched in it leave it alone I can't tell nobody that's not already in it to just be like yo just put it down and just go the other way because I don't know what you may have coming your way but for the people that haven't already you know I mean just understand that once you step into it you always got to watch your back and you don't want to live like that. For sure. For sure y'all about to get to these phone lines man y'all can ask Russ any questions y'all want to ask man uh phone number 215316 4492 that's 215 316 4492. So Russ man what like where do you see yourself man in the next you know couple years man what do you see yourself doing like where do you see your brand being in the next couple years I see it you know I see it in a I see it in a major way you know I mean I I can't really necessarily tell you exactly where but I just see me doing whatever I'm doing right now just at a higher level. Exactly and you know um how important is it for people because sometimes you can lose in the motivation because especially working out people can get you know just lose the motivation and want to get up and go to the and go to the gym. What do you say to people for they had that that day that morning when they went on say this call tell us from the jail so we're speaking with speaking yeah your phone line man your phone line is is uh your phone is uh you gotta turn down the TV or something like that we ain't gonna be able to hear you unless you turn stuff down it ain't even that it's probably just a signal yeah we can't hear you man you gotta remember yeah you're gonna have to call back we can't hear you man yeah so they think I'm capping about what I don't know I just see it up there tell us we're speaking with young as well yeah we still can't hear you bro something wrong going on going on with your phone might be something because the phone ringing too it's sound off how we looking at top of your head you had ways beeping in there sound wrong there's something wrong over here with us take a look at that go take let's give it a second y'all go take a look at it and see what's going on man um if we can um fix it what you see how it sounds good there we go tell us what jealous we speaking with it's C2 from uptown y'all can hear me what's up C2 man how you doing bro I'm good in yourself chilling man chilling man what's going on nothing much I just wanted to shout y'all say what's up to everybody in the chat what's up dark beauty and y'all hit that like button stop playing for butt get mad absolutely hit that like button y'all man hit that like button all right y'all have a good one I appreciate free yeah man you know like I said um that motivation people like that motivation like that you know you go to the gym one day wake up the next day you sore you ain't trying to go back what advice you got to them people because a lot of people talk about that all the time well let's take this call tell us from the jail so we speaking with this Nassim what's up Nassim how you doing man where you calling from I'm from South Philly what's going on bro yo what's up y'all I've been watching y'all since the beginning appreciate you turned into my O'Spreyate that man hey I need some advice though y'all all right go ahead let's let's let's see let's see what you got man on duty all right I'm 21 right I'm the only nigga from my block with a high school diploma I got a clean record license to carry no kids and that street shit ain't working I'm in the uh hiring process with a Pennsylvania state trooper correctional officer and a Philadelphia police officer and I gotta make a decision bridge what's the what's the decision you're trying to make what whether you're gonna be a state trooper or a uh correctional officer what was the other one or a Philadelphia police officer I think that I think you should close your eyes and just swing for everyone you want anyone that you want just swing for one of them because that's gonna lead to greater things I think other than probably be a little but I mean I'm just saying you could move around any one of them is cool is magnificent extraordinary yeah than the streets for sure I agree absolutely I agree bro whatever you whatever whatever yeah man whatever's in your heart man as far as yeah go ahead yeah I ain't never see a street nigga winning everybody I seen with a big house has something going on with a high paying career or something yeah that's another thing you feel me I ain't never see a street nigga come with the the newest car a crazy chain everybody down my way pop I mean it it it happens but it the the but it doesn't last long as we already know the the lifespan of a of a drug deal is like maybe like two years I believe something like that successful drug dealer like two years the success is two years and then you're either gonna be in jail or you're gonna be dead and this is this is facts you can Google this and look at this and I think it's from what I saw that's like two some two years or something like that. So if you look at something that has a success rate of of two years and then ending you know you you going to jail or being in prison you might want to you know look in another direction man and go do something positive with yourself man like you know even if you got to work at McDonald's man I know no disput I always say all the time no disrespect people that work at work at McDonald's because the McDonald's is is paying a lot of people but you got to go go with the longevity man as far as uh no matter what it's paying bro yeah bro my goal is to pack up the pop early one city one you can't move the other city can't be there yeah man just and stay focused man do what you gotta do and you're always welcome to call up ahead anytime get any advice from us man I want to tell you man just enjoy your night man and and listen man don't be afraid of what people got to say about you how people feel about you being a cop man because we have this narrative are you a cop and all that stuff man listen don't worry about that man go ahead and leave your life man and chase your dream man and be successful man enjoy your night you already enjoy all night y'all me too phone line zoom man two and tell us my jails who you speaking with you speaking with mayor what's up what mayor is this from South Philly what's up man how you doing bro shout to South Philly what's going on can't hear you you still there mayor it was still ringing no that was another call okay just hung up alright yeah man uh is somebody still online so feed all right so yeah man you know um like you know like like just hearing that young guy calling man a lot of times people worry about what other people think how other people feel was it anybody who kind of you know told you like man you want to be you want to be uh working out is what anybody that was trying to shoot down your dream as far as being a trainer uh I wouldn't say shoot down my dream but ain't nobody really was like yo I mean nobody really pushed me towards it tell some the gels who speaking with having a hard time hearing you we had the we had the call back uh topic taking that score tell some the gels who's speaking with what's good man it's big C from North Jersey shout out the North Jersey what's up big C man what's going on what's good uh my question is for Russ being though he's a trainer what would you say work more the weight or the calisthenics calisthetics calisthetics and why is that absolutely colistics is always gonna stick to you it's gonna have you more functionality more endurance you might be able to lift 315 pounds but you might not be able to do 10 pull ups you know I'm saying so you know cholesthetics if you master that and you can add your weights into it but colesthetics will always be king the real
SPEAKER_03I asked that because growing up, you know, you see dudes who get locked up or fiends get locked up, but they go in, give them about a month, and then they back to shape. But I know a lot of them was dealing with the calisthenics more than a way.
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SPEAKER_03I just wanted to know from a professional. No doubt, bro. You have a nice one, man.
SPEAKER_06Tell us with jails. Who's speaking with? I'm sorry, I can't hear you. Say it again. Can you turn your uh your TV down or your radio down, please?
SPEAKER_04Can you hear me?
SPEAKER_06Who's who you speaking with? Say it again. I think you gotta take us out speaker phone, man. You got some speaker or something that we can't really hear you.
SPEAKER_04Okay, I'll take you out speaker. Can you hear me?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, what's going on, man?
SPEAKER_04Uh I want to talk to black if possible.
SPEAKER_06All right, go ahead, bro.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I'm currently like OTR.
SPEAKER_05No, I don't know what that means. OTR.
SPEAKER_04I'm on a run.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_04In another state. I'm facing probably like six months and then maybe like five years on top of that shit. You think I should turn myself in or what?
SPEAKER_05What you wanna I don't want to say because I it's yeah, yeah, man.
SPEAKER_04What I will uh It's an honorable draw, but it's not cool.
SPEAKER_05What I what I will advise you, I will advise you to get your affairs in order because you're gonna go to jail one day. Whether you stay on a run or turn yourself in, it's only a matter of time once they on your line. Um, when I say get your affairs in order, meaning you some money. You know what I mean? If you're working, or I don't know, if you want to run, you probably can't do that, but you you need to get you some. I'm working. Oh, you're working? Well, yeah, you need to save you some money up, man, where you can get a proper uh attorney, or if you're gonna cop out and take a deal where you can have you know some money for your books, man. Because just because you're in there and they're giving you three hots in the car today, that don't mean you you uh thriving the correct way. Because dinner time is at four o'clock and you're on your own from there to six. So uh I'm not gonna tell you to turn yourself in, and I ain't gonna tell you to uh to keep on running. I'm gonna let you make that decision, but in between time, get you some money, man.
SPEAKER_04My advice is I'm already making money, that's why I want to turn myself in. Yeah, man. Also, I just became a member.
SPEAKER_06Appreciate you, bro. Thank you, man.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, uh the bull fucking the smart guy. You might as well delete that interview, but he'll dash it.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that that interview was crazy. Actually, you know, he he actually reached out, he actually reached out to come back up here on the podcast uh the other day. He's got bull back up there. No, we're not, but what my advice is you, man. I'm just gonna say this, man. You you working, man, and I mean, listen, if it ain't broke, I'm gonna try to fix it, man. You're already out the way. I will just keep, you know, I mean, you might get a good 20-year run, 30-year run before they catch you. You never know. I wouldn't, how about you, Roger? You turn yourself in.
SPEAKER_04I mean it depends on what it's about.
SPEAKER_07You know what I'm saying? I mean, me personally, probably no. I'm gonna keep it a band.
SPEAKER_05What you ain't up here telling you don't turn yourself in. That's a choice you're gonna have to make, but in between time, make sure that you got your affairs in order. Exactly. That's all I'm saying. Heavy at an alarming rate.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, my job, I got a child support job, but I also got another germ. Oh, child support, that's not just a super germ.
SPEAKER_07Uh, you're not really on a run, though, because you work a job, yeah. So it's like you on a run, but that don't it's not nothing that vital, so you might as well just get it out the way.
SPEAKER_05Okay, yeah, yeah. Okay, that's sound about right. Yeah, yeah. So what I what do I do, y'all? Man, get you some money, save your money. I just told you, save your money. Listen, but I like like save your money, man, and bid your time and spend. Yeah, that comes with saving your money. Yeah, yeah. I mean, if you got kids, love on them real good. If you got an old lady, bust nuts till you can't bust nuts no more. And and and then that's just about it.
SPEAKER_04All right, man. I appreciate y'all, bro. All right, man. Thank you.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, y'all phone lines is open, man. 215-316-4492. That's 215-316-4492. See, stuff like that, right? When people young young guys be on the run, like it's hard for me to tell somebody to turn themselves in. Because of all the oppression. But ultimately, it's like for me, I'm thinking about I gotta, I'm, I'm what I would probably do, I'm just gonna run until they catch me. Yeah, I ain't gonna really be in a rush to go turn myself in, man. Tell us from the jails who's speaking with, getting cloudy outside about the storm. What's up, Jahad the Nomad? Where are you calling from, bro?
SPEAKER_04Southwest.
SPEAKER_06Shout out to Southwest. What's up, man?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. Let me ask Russ, Russ, when you when you caught that case. All the evidence that, but that was in your crib though. So how did they still put that on you though?
SPEAKER_07So they threw all of the stuff from the house out, and they said that I was like they saw me making sales. So they they all of the evidence from the house, it didn't stick to me or the guy that was in there. They just said that they seen me making sales and stuff like that. So, you know, I mean, they they threw everything out, but I still was fighting the other joints, yeah.
SPEAKER_04No, that's crazy. Because what happened, I was on a run for four years. I came back spanking, but then I had a whole case. And I wound up taking a deal on that, and I never even did it. So that was crazy. That was crazy for me. I was in the same type of situation.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I mean, it's it's so the main thing is that the cops that booked me, they literally was doing this in different parts of the city. They was just snatching people and booking them the same way that they booked me. Like, and you know, sometimes you just gotta go ahead and uh, you know, pick, you know, pick the hard pick. Like, that was a hard choice for me to go ahead and take that time, but I thought I would be out in like a year, you know what I mean? But uh yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. I know the same thing. That's how I felt. But I was I was on a lump before the joint was a major joint, but I spanked that joint, so I had to bite that. It's like a uh moral type of turn. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Yeah, well, well, man, listen, man. Hopefully everything works out for you, man. As what you got on going on now, man. But thanks for calling in, man. Enjoy your night, bro. Appreciate you. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_04All right. Oh, that's stuff done, though. That's normal.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, man. Tell us from the jails. Who you speaking with?
SPEAKER_04It's the boy Rock.
SPEAKER_06What's up, Rock? Where are you calling from, man?
SPEAKER_04I'm from Philly, buddy. I've done been down Delaware and Virginia and all that.
SPEAKER_06What's going on, Rock? What you got for us today, man?
SPEAKER_04So I got a question for black.
SPEAKER_06What's up, man?
SPEAKER_04I was up the Dixie company in the early 2000s. And I first of all I want to tell y'all love what y'all are doing, man.
SPEAKER_06Appreciate you, man. Thank you.
SPEAKER_04So I got it. If you had to choose which you was gonna fight a pit bull, a vicious pit bull with the lock or that knife.
SPEAKER_05I'm gonna choose him, bro. I'm gonna break his whole head open with that lock. But you know they're a little, you know, they're a little huh? They're a little agile, though. Yeah, they get the all I need is one. I don't need two or three. He got it. One thing about a pit bull, he gotta bite you, so he gotta bring ass to get ass. As soon as he gets in reaching this, I'm whopping. What's going on though? If I miss, that's cool. He might get a little bite. I I don't care what he's getting, because once I connect anywhere on his little fragile body with that lock, it's gonna let him know that he's no longer a dog, he's a cat.
SPEAKER_04I ain't gonna lie though. Me personally, I think I break a dog down with eat with with without either one of them dogs.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I can too. I squeeze his goddamn neck and break his damn neck. And that's it. And I'm not cruelly to animals, I'm not promoting go out there and do that to dogs. I don't want the animals up here. We love dogs and cats and everything.
SPEAKER_06But if a raven, what ain't gonna have to king course or no dog. The craziest, what are you gonna do?
SPEAKER_05Just sit there and just dive and get by with your hands, no dog. No, if I get around a dogo neck with this, I'm gonna separate his head from his goddamn body. Okay, talk about what you gonna do, Russ.
SPEAKER_04Hey, black, yeah, that's rage. You say that's who? That's called rage, bro. Not even Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05That's rage. I absolutely agree.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's rage, and I and I agree with you too. I'll probably ride with that motherfucking with that with that banger, though. I ain't gonna lie to you.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, he get that hand with that banger and all that. You might be in a world of trouble. I I'll let him get the forearm and it's over.
SPEAKER_06With that forearm, you're gonna be uh crying.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, he's gonna lock on to that forearm, then it's over. Yo, man, I love what y'all doing, man. Appreciate you, bro. Hey, hey, hey, hey, I was up, I was up there before they uh before they built the camp.
SPEAKER_05Oh, or you was up there before they built the camp. You was back there with the old four dicks. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Well, thanks for calling in. We gotta take some more calls, but man, thanks for calling in. Appreciate you, man. Thank you for the support, man. Um, you know, uh no doubt, man.
SPEAKER_04Y'all y'all keep doing what y'all are doing, man.
SPEAKER_06Thank you, man. Appreciate that.
SPEAKER_04Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, black. Yeah, let him let him go ahead and and and uh what they know diddy or whatever, the death. Like just duty, though, because he keep you he keep you not on duty. He keeps you on your square, bro.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I know, I know, but I'm gonna just knock his goddamn square off one day with that not on duty shit.
SPEAKER_04Yo, y'all have a good evening, man.
SPEAKER_05All right, man.
SPEAKER_06You too, man. Stay free, man. Too as well. All right. Look at the clouds outside, man. It's like about to come down. Yeah, so so um, hey Russ, man, this is a question I ask all the time, man. You know, because nobody could up out of here. Let's call in it. Tell us from the jails we speaking with. Dang. I ask this question all the time, man. Um if it was the last message that you can leave for your significant other, you know, you maybe, you know, your wife, you know, your children, um, you know, anybody that loves you. If this was your last interview that you did or last time that they was able to see you, what message would you leave for them?
SPEAKER_07Oh, most certainly I love y'all.
SPEAKER_06Um secondly, that's called. We're gonna get back to that.
SPEAKER_07A hell of a question.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, tell us from the jails. Who you speaking with?
SPEAKER_04What's up, man? This is Ken from Camden again.
SPEAKER_06What's up, man? Shout out to Camden.
SPEAKER_04What's up, Feet? Yo, uh, Black, I had a question for you.
SPEAKER_06What's going on?
SPEAKER_04Because I'm in the same, I was listening to the episode yesterday, which uh um we was telling us about your baby mom and how she married, and how she was to do her, you'll walk right in and just say, Listen, uh, what am I saying at? Boom, boom, boom, and go about your business. But I had a question, like if you was to walk in there and she said, Listen, my man not here, he not around, listen, I need that. Would you go ahead and do that for her?
SPEAKER_05Like, would you go ahead and at this climate in my life? No. Back when I was freakier than the frog with a mustache, absolutely correct. So you'll let that pass, you'll let that go. Yeah, yeah. But when you just get to a certain point, man, you get older, man, you gotta leave bygones, be bygones, man. I'm cool. She got her.
SPEAKER_04She be doing stuff like she be texting other man, but still be wanting me to. Yeah, and it's just like, I don't mean, you know, I'm I don't want to play both sides of the fence.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, it's all gonna have to come down to you at the end of the day, whether you want to, you know, partake in the foolery or you know what I'm saying, stand up. And I ain't saying just because you getting some cheeks is foolery and you ain't standing up, no, from your baby mom, but you know, I mean, well, you're gonna just drag that on forever. Yeah, I'd be cool with that.
SPEAKER_04Uh yeah, I appreciate y'all, man. Another show, man. Y'all have a good night.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, Russ, man, if you can answer that question, man, before we get another call, man. Um, like if this, like I said, like if this was your last interview, your last time your family would see you, what message would you leave for them, uh for your kids and everyone out there? We're gonna hold off of the calls for a second to answer the question.
SPEAKER_07I love y'all, and I really just genuinely want y'all to excel in life no matter what happened to me. That's that's really it. I don't really know how to answer that.
SPEAKER_05No, you answered it. It ain't no know how to answer it. That's it. Yeah, that was it right then. That's all. All that the other shit, yeah. Yeah, because that right there is gonna be taken to heart.
SPEAKER_06For sure. For sure, man. And listen, y'all want to say this, y'all, man. Thanks everybody for tuning, uh, for reaching out to us and tuning into the uh the podcast, man. If you ever want to start a business, you ever want to start a home care agency, no matter what state you're in, contact TNS Licensing and Consulting. Uh phone number 267-534-5053, 267-534-5053. Also, this podcast uh can be listened to and heard on uh Apple Podcasts, uh Spotify, um, iHeartRadio, uh, Amazon Music, all the all the platforms. We are available on all the platforms. And like I said, thanks to you, thanks to y'all and y'all's support and us having good guests with good stories like like Russ has. Uh, we have been uh propelled into the top 200 podcasts uh around the world. So we thank y'all for uh helping us you know get to that point, man. Uh uh Russ, anything you want to say before you go, man? Anything last, you know, anything about how people can find you, get in contact with you, if they want to want to be a part of your actual workout plan or how can they get out get in contact with you?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, so you can actually just you know send me a DM at Russ underscore B1 on Instagram. And uh, yeah.
SPEAKER_06That's your only platform you're on?
SPEAKER_07No, no, I'm on TikTok as Russ underscore underscore b1 and YouTube as russ underscore b1, but the best way to get in contact would be through Instagram.
SPEAKER_06That's your question, Russ. How important is dieting? The right thing is.
SPEAKER_07That's 80% of the the whole thing. Like you can you can eat if if if you eat clean, you would at least maintain a good size and health. But the kitchen is what dictates your weight, and the gym is what dictates your shape, meaning that working out gets you toned out, toned up, muscles, everything, but the nutrition aspect is where you're either gonna get fat or skinny at.
SPEAKER_06And what kind of food should these people stay away from? With those who are listening and want to, you know, uh better their eating habits. What kind of food should they stay away from?
SPEAKER_07Well, of course, you know, pork, that's the first and foremost thing. But um greasy food, fast foods, McDonald's, all that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_06Wow. So listen, um, you know, Russ, like I said, man, I thank you, man, for coming, you know, onto the show. I know we did something before with TBIC, but this is a different element uh because you have a story, a success story. You went to jail, came home, went back again, came home. And now in our city, you know, uh is you and another guy that I always pay attention to as far as working out, man. And um, I see that you have your platform. You have, you know, every day I see you doing different kinds of workouts, different things, adding different stuff to your actual regiment, and it's motivating me to want to be able to, you know, be in shape and so forth and so on. So I thank you for that, man. And um, anything you got going on, man, we would definitely want to support that and be a part of that. And once again, where can they find you at, Russ? Where can they uh uh reach out to you?
SPEAKER_07So Ij Russ underscore B1. DM, you know what I mean, and that's it.
SPEAKER_06And um, and these and they can get you certain workout packages with you and so forth and so on, whereas though they and you work, they work out with one, two, three times a week, all that different stuff. They can get uh different workout regimes regimens with you and uh different programs you have.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, so I got a nutrition and fitness program where I track your nutrition as well as your activity levels, and you know, make sure that you got all of your workouts for the week. So it's a whole, you know, it's the whole package.
SPEAKER_06And one last question I got for you, Russ. What's the most weight you saw someone uh lose that was on your workout plan?
SPEAKER_07Uh shout out to my guy Ryan, man. I think we lost like 50 pounds over a little bit, 50 pounds.
SPEAKER_06Wow. Shout out to Ryan, man. Is he is he did he reach his goal as far as weight, or are you still looking to lose more weight?
SPEAKER_07I don't want to say. And then um, you know, life got in the way.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that happens a lot, man. But remember, y'all, stay focused, stay safe, stay free, man, and always always take advantage of opportunities, man. It's people that's in positions that are always look to the people that are that are below you. Don't look to people that are ahead of you or or doing better than you because there's always someone doing uh worse than you out here, man. So you gotta always just stay focused, continue to grind. Don't make any no excuses of why you can or can't do anything. Remain focused, man. Listen, there's so much opportunity down here. Like you said, social media is a marketing tool. Use social media to market yourself, market your business. Don't use social media to scroll on it all day, look at what everybody else is doing. You're wasting your time, man. Um, shout out to you, young. Anything you want to say, young, before we get about there?
SPEAKER_05We got the live event being uh played this week. The live event, everybody tune in, everybody keep DMing and asking about it, and we apologize for not even, you know, because we ain't really picking nothing up from that, bro. From that live event, man, for the people to see, the masses want to see the people that was there. So y'all got that coming to y'all this week at alarming rate. Again, I just wanted to let y'all know that.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it'll be here uh for the members, it'll be available for the members on on Wednesday. Um, and then it'll be available for uh everyone else on Thursday to watch it. Um we up out of here, man. Thank y'all guys for tuning in. Uh, follow us on all platforms TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, everywhere. We everywhere. Kick, Twitch.