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What happens when real experiences from the streets, the prison system, and life after incarceration come together in one unfiltered conversation? In this episode of Tales From The Jails LIVE, Muddas joins the show to share powerful stories, hard-earned lessons, and honest opinions about surviving prison, making mistakes, and navigating life after release.
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We we good to go. What's up, everybody, and welcome everybody to another episode of Tales from the Jails. We're here live in part room. She was saying TNS Media Group with the team and the family. You know, we're here at the you know another great day to be talking about prison to kind of, you know, let everyone know that prison is not a game, but we bring you different stories to kind of deter you from going to prison, let you know that you know, prison is for males and females. As you can see, we got a guest up here, the young lady. I got my counterpart, Mr. Brahim Jackson here. We got a young lady who actually did a substantial amount of time in the feds.
SPEAKER_10Upstate. Upstate.
SPEAKER_12Upstate. Yeah, so tell me you are.
SPEAKER_10Um, my name is Alfrieda. Anybody call me Mother?
SPEAKER_12Everybody call you Mother?
SPEAKER_10Yes.
SPEAKER_12Where you from, Mother? Pull uh turn the mic, it's a little bit too. See, there you go. Where are you from, mothers?
SPEAKER_10Um, born and raised in North Philly, but raised in West Philly. Most of the time in West Philly.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, because I met you in West Philly. Um, that's where I know you from. So I'm gonna I'm gonna give you the West Philly stamp because I remember you primarily from West Philly. So, uh no, once again, once again, it's what this um podcast is uh to deter individuals from going to prison. Like I said, for giving real stories, we're not glorifying prison in any way. We're not trying to sit up here and make it like prison is a place to go, but these stories are real. So um explain to us, you know, you know, your early upbringing, you know, as a kid. You know, how was it for you?
SPEAKER_10Um, it was fun. And so much of all my life I was going to the prison to see my dad.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_10So all I know was going to the prison to see my dad every other weekend. Um we moved down the bottom when I was seven.
SPEAKER_00Down the bottom, West Philly. Yes. Okay.
SPEAKER_10Um, I went to school. I grew up a little bit in North Philly when my mom took us down North Philly sometimes. But other than that, you know, I went to school, I graduated, I did all that. I was a party girl.
SPEAKER_12Um so you so you so your dad was in jail, like at what age?
SPEAKER_10Like, I lost my dad. Well, he went to prison when I was one.
SPEAKER_12Okay, so he was going to so you was going to the prison to see him. And now how much time your father had?
SPEAKER_10Um, my dad been down 36 years dating right now. So I never asked my dad how much time he got. I hear different stories, but we never like talked about it. We talk about everything, but that's like a conversation that I don't like talking about because the part. I never had my dad.
SPEAKER_12Never had your dad coming up.
SPEAKER_10We got the best relationship. I go see him, we do Zoom every day, but I never had my dad growing up. So I felt like I was looking for love in all the wrong places, looking for their father's love. I had a stepfather, he was good. Um, but yeah.
SPEAKER_12So so you know, your father's not being there for you as a young young lady. How detrimental is that? Like for a lot, you know, because a lot of young ladies is going through this. A lot of young girls, you know, young, young, you know, young teenage girls, even adults are like because you're adult now, you don't really have your biological father in life. How important is it to have a father for you know a young female or a female, period?
SPEAKER_10It's important.
SPEAKER_12Why why do why do you say it is important? Like, like what's the you know the main ingredient that makes it important?
SPEAKER_10I love my dad like a lot. I told you all I did was go in to see him since I was one year old. We got the best bond ever. Um, he lost his mind when he was in prison. He don't really have nobody, so I was always there, like all the time. Since I turned 18, got my license. I was going by myself. But I never had the dead.
SPEAKER_12Wow.
SPEAKER_10My dad.
SPEAKER_12So you was primarily, you was primarily raised in a household with just you and your mom. And when did you when did your stepfather, you know, come around?
SPEAKER_10Probably when I was like 11.
SPEAKER_12Okay. So uh one second, I want to say uh shout out to uh D Eagle Galloway for uh becoming a member. So, you know, as we sit up here and tell some jazz, you know, um Mr. Braheem Jackson, uh young and he was out without a father um for all his life.
SPEAKER_16And but it probably wouldn't affect me as much as it affects a woman. It's two different types of genders. So it's different for you know a woman without, especially with a mother or a father. I'm not saying she didn't have a mother, but a father. No, you know that like daddy's girl, mama's boy. You know what I'm saying? So it's yeah, don't even it's different when a woman ain't got it.
SPEAKER_12But it's still it's still it's still caused an effect, some probably greater than greater than other. Yeah. So for for you, and like I said, like like young young girls, you know, they're fragile. Like you said, you're going out looking for you know, father figures, looking for um uh you know, looking for that type of comfort from you know a father. And ultimately what happens is you you know you may try to find a find it within a boyfriend or a stepfather, uncle somewhere, but it doesn't really amount to you having your biological father in your life.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_12Um, so what trials and tribulations did you go to? Did you go through? Was it like you what if Maggie went out into the streets and started running the streets and start committing crime? What what what what was that for you? What happened?
SPEAKER_10Um, I started partying at a young age.
SPEAKER_12How old?
SPEAKER_10Right like 14, 13.
SPEAKER_12Wow, what'd you what'd you go into the clubs? Did you go into like, you know, the clubs. And they was letting you in the clubs that that young. So how did how did you get in? Like, how did you get in the club? How did you get in there? What were you doing?
SPEAKER_10I did. Fake out of it. I did.
SPEAKER_12Oh wow, fake idea. Half the time you don't even need that shit.
SPEAKER_16You talk about how did you get in? You over there acting crazy. No, but sometimes you don't. No, you don't, but you ain't no party boy. We're going out to the clubs and all but I got a friend. When they raid the clubs, that's when you know who in there under age.
SPEAKER_12You know, you know, you know, um when you was in when you was in jail, I should throw parties, right? Exactly. So hear me out, hear me out. So I should I should throw like a lot of parties. And I remember like, you know, um the police coming to the party, the events or the places that we was written out to throw parties and letting us know, like, listen, we would shut this thing down if y'all get if y'all let anybody underage under age in. So so it was checking for IDs and make sure everybody had IDs.
SPEAKER_16Oh, y'all were checking the IDs. You sat there and checked the ID.
SPEAKER_12I had security donuts. They were checking it.
SPEAKER_16So but nobody in there under age. I'm happy with that. They go in and do it over. It's like you're not even detecting.
SPEAKER_12Okay, well, you what you're saying, you're saying like down the down the down the in the hook. So I was having like upscale parties. Like we have upscale parties, like I would, I would, I would get like a um an act to come out. I would, you know, like I bought uh GG to the city, I bought you know a lot of people to the city and then did like you know, a bunch of shows, like different stuff like that. So I was doing things events like that. So we had to really be real careful, like doing like down old city rent spots and stuff like that down there. So we had to have security. I wasn't really doing nothing like in the hood. I didn't really you know feel safe down a place like that.
SPEAKER_16You don't think nobody snuck into the mupscale drones?
SPEAKER_12Is it you don't think no up, like you don't think no, I don't I do, but I'm saying they they were they were put in place to check IDs. Okay, but I'm not saying I wasn't they got in there, they got an ID and got in there.
SPEAKER_16No, but a lot of these places got put in place to have IDs. Everybody that's having clubs and they they but it's not people checking them, young girls.
SPEAKER_12Because of like the fire marshals and stuff, or the police would come. I remember them coming coming or showing the face and but listen. If anybody's in here underage, and they would they would like we ain't go through that, yeah. They would like walk through. They walked. I actually know people that got that have like clubs that have been shut down because of the L and I come came in and shut them down for not having it but I don't I don't want to make the sudden segment about that, but this this stuff actually really goes on. If anybody, any party planners or promoters, they know that this stuff goes on any club owners, and this stuff is real. So you had an ID, you know, a fake ID, maybe with you know, and sometimes I I noticed that I have come across that. I saw somebody who had an ID one time and they was using to get in, but the picture wasn't even them. And they was just looking at like let me in. Yeah, like let me get in there. So now you ended up going out, uh celebrating, running around the streets and and doing certain things. And used to hang in the hood with us sometimes. I remember like, you know, times you being in the around the way with us. You know, um, he was in jail by that time, but used to come around and come through and hang with, you know, me and the me and me and bro, and people run away. Um, so how soon did you get into crime? Like, you know, how how what what happened that led you into a life of crime?
SPEAKER_1023. I was 23 at the time.
SPEAKER_1223. So you didn't have any juvenile bids, any juvenile cases, anything? Hmm. So what happened? What happened to you uh to you?
SPEAKER_10Um I was actually working at a bar on uh what's that 40th and Brown Castles?
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_10I was off that day, and my girlfriend asked us, can one of her little sisters have a party there? Um we had a party there. I was off that day, and then miss us having a party. Somebody asked me to take them somewhere. Take them to pick somebody up a couple blocks away from the bus station. By the time we get back, they already calling. It's an altercation going on in the club. So we like, the person I'm with, her little sister and their friends, they're fighting in there. By the time we get there, it was like a big ruffle. The guys, uh, the security made them get out, the girls that was fighting. We stayed, we partied, they waited outside till we came. Like a one-on-one. Then it was a free fall, then a shooting happened.
SPEAKER_12Wow, a shooting happened, and by the look on your face, you seem like you were involved in the shooting.
SPEAKER_10Yes.
SPEAKER_12So what so so what happened? You you came up with so I mean, I guess you can talk about it now. You can talk about it now, because listen, one thing I want to say, you know, what we do is now you can leave out what you want to leave out. You can speak up what say what you want to say. It's up to you. But I'm gonna ask the questions. Now, what happened? What made you, you know, start shooting?
SPEAKER_10Um, I got bust in my face with like a sock and a rock.
SPEAKER_12Oh, uh oh.
SPEAKER_10They had like, I don't know, it was like nose or something, and it was a bunch of stuff. And I just felt blood dripping down my face.
SPEAKER_12So you got hit with a lock in the sock almost. Yeah, did it knock you unconscious or knocked you down?
SPEAKER_10A little bit. It was a little dizzy, but yeah.
SPEAKER_12He always talks about lock the lock in the sock and how devastating the lock in the sock can be. So she got hit with a lock in the rock. I'm sorry, the rock of the sock, young. Is that like equivalent to a lock in the sock?
SPEAKER_15Yeah, yes, it is. Anything is hard, it's a hard object hitting you in your face.
SPEAKER_10Like three stitches.
SPEAKER_12So so you you didn't see it coming with the you didn't see it coming?
SPEAKER_10No, I I had nothing to do with it. It wasn't my fight.
SPEAKER_12So you just standing there and somebody hit you with a it was like a free fall.
SPEAKER_10No, it was starting to be a free fall, and I guess because I was with the people that I was with, everybody was fighting, and I just know that a big sock came pushing towards me. Wow, it was like a younger crowd than me. It was younger was fighting, I didn't even know what the fight was over.
SPEAKER_12So all you know is you got hit with that lock and that and that rock and that sock, and you said grab the arms. I'm surprised you ain't go out.
SPEAKER_16You a girl, you ain't no boy. To get hit in your face with something of that magnitude hard. I'm going out, and I'm I think I'm pretty stronger than you. I think I might not be though, but you was tough back then.
SPEAKER_10I just seen blood. We was all drunk. It was uh well, yeah.
SPEAKER_16When you drunk too, drunk, numb you up.
SPEAKER_10And we was having fun, like that fast. Life changed that fast. Like we was having fun.
SPEAKER_12So hold on. So it hit you with so you you can remember what happened. You remember this this this the uh the stock hitting you, right? Right, and um when the rock and the stock hit you, did you see like a light? Because I because you know you haven't punched in the eye before.
SPEAKER_10No, I just seen blood and I reacted real fast. Like, no.
SPEAKER_12And what kind of gun you had on you? Like a little nine, a clock, or just a clock? Oh, and you just start throwing anybody, you start to start shooting into the crowd.
SPEAKER_10No, I was shooting in the air just to scare them. No.
SPEAKER_12Oh, you just shot in the air, yeah.
SPEAKER_16Back them up all from caution.
SPEAKER_10I ain't had nothing to do with it.
SPEAKER_16Oh, you got something to do with it once that face got hit. Once that face got hit, you was all in it.
SPEAKER_10And then it was like uh car got vandalized, pocketbooks got stolen because you know all the crowd went that way. So everybody left, and next thing you know, they was like, they looking for you.
SPEAKER_12So they knew your name and everything.
SPEAKER_10I I don't know the girls, but apparently they got my name from somebody that was with the other person because they didn't even know me.
SPEAKER_12And you sure you ain't aim that fire, like I'm just I'm just asking because I gotta ask. Nobody got hit or nothing. No, he just fired in the air.
SPEAKER_10A person got grades, but they say that the girl like didn't go to the hospital with it.
SPEAKER_12I should get grades if you shot a hair. Somebody, somebody lying.
SPEAKER_16Mother might be lying. Mother threw that shit at the crowd. No, I already know what's going on. Mother thinks she's tricking me.
SPEAKER_12It's okay, but like literally, it was like three shots. So the rich shit off the cloud, you shot air and it hit the cloud that came out. Mother threw that shit at the crowd.
SPEAKER_16You you motherfuckers hit me in my face with that rock inside. Yeah, well, take this glock and pop. I get it though. I get it.
SPEAKER_12Ain't nothing wrong with that. Cause that's like that's like pure rage. Like somebody somebody hit you with a um hit you with a lock or a rock in your face. You automatically shooting like this. You thought you shooting there, but you were shooting at the crowd. Somebody got grazed. What'd you get grazed at?
SPEAKER_10And her hand is too in the hand, yeah.
SPEAKER_12Wow. All right, so you want to run.
SPEAKER_16It's official. Well, oh, you said she wanna run. Like you, because the police ain't know who did it at the time. Did they do that?
SPEAKER_10And to the person told the girls, like I guess you know, everybody, I guess the girl mom made her press charges because her daughter car got vandalized, the windows were bust out, their pocketbooks was missing. So, no, you getting all that since you, you know, probably shot at us. You getting all that, yeah. So how long?
SPEAKER_16How long was it did you know that you was on a run? Well, not on the run, but wanted for that certain two days later. So, but you were sitting in the crib or something like that?
SPEAKER_10No, to kick my mom's door in.
SPEAKER_16Or they just that's how they came.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_16Was you in there?
SPEAKER_10No.
SPEAKER_16Mom told you, like, girl, they done ran in here looking for you. Like, what the hell you done did? Was you shocked? Or you pretty much knew that somebody was gonna tell on me.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, I knew somebody was gonna tell on them.
SPEAKER_16Where you was at at the time?
SPEAKER_10A hotel.
SPEAKER_16Hotel. You you was chilling, you was you was having fun at the hotel or you was on a lay low?
SPEAKER_10I was laying low.
SPEAKER_16Okay, so you knew you knew something was gonna come behind the acts that happened two days ago. Okay, well, yeah, you pretty, you know what I'm saying? You was pretty much ahead of the game to know what's going on. So, what did you do after your mother told you, like, yo, they just can't left out of here looking for you? How did that make you feel? Oh, you went straight. Is this the time you went and got Dave? Yeah, Dave step up. Everybody don't know she's talking about Dave Meeshack, man. Shout out to Dave Meeshak. How long would you want to run for?
SPEAKER_10Probably like two weeks.
SPEAKER_12And you wouldn't turn yourself in?
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_12Get over with. I wouldn't turn myself in once again. I don't know.
SPEAKER_16I don't think they got no evidence.
SPEAKER_12I'm turning myself in. So hold on, but still, once that like like cases like like shootings or or or reckless endangerment, because that's like that's like a crazy charge. That's like reckless endangerment, a bunch of other charges along with it. Then they have robbery came out.
SPEAKER_10All them charges.
SPEAKER_12Yeah. Because you fired that pistol.
SPEAKER_16How old were you at the time? What when this happened?
SPEAKER_1023.
SPEAKER_16Oh, you was an adult. So I get with you.
SPEAKER_12So Dave, so Dave, so you go on a run, you go get Dave, and um Turn yourself up. Turn yourself in with Dave. He walked you down into the district.
SPEAKER_10Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_12Mm-hmm. And what happened when you got to the district?
SPEAKER_10He met his dear. He just told me don't talk. That's it.
SPEAKER_12What year was this?
SPEAKER_102011.
SPEAKER_12Oh yeah. Dave was already, yeah. We was we were dealing with Dave since what, like 98? Mm-hmm. Yeah, so yeah, Dave was already, he was already about, you know, 12, 13 years in. Um, so you get so you get you get to um turn yourself in. What did they say to you when you got to district?
SPEAKER_10Nothing. I just had to do my fingerprints and stuff. And had to wait.
SPEAKER_12Oh, so that ain't questioning.
SPEAKER_10And they sent me the state road.
SPEAKER_16Hmm. Pick, I'm assuming at the time.
SPEAKER_10No, this one we had RCF. Oh, RCF.
SPEAKER_16Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Oh, it's 2011, yeah. The the RCF for the women.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_12Alright, so you go ahead and turn yourself in now. It's real now. You're going up there. How much is your bell?
SPEAKER_1065,000.
SPEAKER_16No, that was after 10% probably. That was eight. Oh, so it was $650,000.
SPEAKER_10No, look, I had a detainer.
SPEAKER_12For what? They said you wasn't a criminal before that.
SPEAKER_10My girlfriend mom asked me to put a check in my account. Mind you, I had like peak police and fire.
SPEAKER_11Yeah.
SPEAKER_10I didn't know I was like probably like 19. And she was like, I just did this cleaning job. Can you cash this check for me? I can give you half of it, but you know me, I'm young, 19. How much you get for me? I put the check in my name and it was fake, like probably like a month and a half later. I was like, Dave, that I gotta pay that back or I gotta go to jail. I don't have it. That was like my first time I got ROR. You was told my tell nobody.
SPEAKER_12You was coming around away around that time, right? Way ain't come like come say yo, like I need, you know what I mean? Help me some help. You know, we would you know we would have helped you out, right now.
SPEAKER_10I don't know. I was working and stuff too, but I wasn't paying in no mind, yo. I really didn't I was young, I didn't know no better.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Until they was like, they got a warrant for your arrest because you ain't paid a thing. So I turned myself in. I ain't had to pay a bell or nothing. I got OR. That was my first time ever being locked up.
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_10So I had to go to court for that. But you know, you could do like three years probation for that.
SPEAKER_12You skip court though. And you so hold on. Oh, using probation. That's why they put a detainer on it.
SPEAKER_10That's how they put the detainer on me when I got locked up. Oh, my mom and them didn't know, so they like, where you get a detainer from? Then it was like a big thing with that.
SPEAKER_12So your bell was 650 and 50,000 with the gun. That makes it 65,000. Yeah, so yeah. And so you had to sit. How was that? The first time really doing like because you you was on steroid for a long time.
SPEAKER_10I cried.
SPEAKER_12How many?
SPEAKER_10I was used to being cute. I had to wear them little pumpkin seeds, the little I ain't like that. Uh-uh.
SPEAKER_12Punk and seed, what's that?
SPEAKER_10The little white little shoes they used to give us. The little shoe strings. They call it pumpkins. They like little kids. I don't know.
SPEAKER_12You had a pair of them, John, yeah?
SPEAKER_16The girls wear the stuff different from the men.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_16No, I'm just saying, you might have wanted to, you know. No, the girls wear stuff different from the men.
SPEAKER_12All right, well, I said, but you might have wanted to make a statue statement in general.
SPEAKER_16I'm gonna make it fashion if we're not getting it. I didn't remember.
SPEAKER_12I'm gonna make sure. I know you like a real fashionable guy.
SPEAKER_16But they don't give that to the men. Maybe if they probably gave it to them, letting you know they don't give it to the men.
SPEAKER_12You gave it to me, but they would you would you would you wear it?
SPEAKER_16Probably so. I don't know. Okay. I don't know. I probably wear it. Okay. All right.
SPEAKER_10So um I wasn't used to it. I didn't like it. I ain't eat, I ain't do nothing but cry. I was mad. I ain't had nothing to do with something. I was locked up for something that had nothing to do with me. I was not the only one locked up.
SPEAKER_16Like, no, mothers, I don't give you that. You was locked up because you fired that motherfucker.
SPEAKER_10That's what I'm saying. I know I'm blaming myself. No, yo, I did it. I know what hit me.
SPEAKER_16Oh, because I heard you say just now that I was locked up for nothing, I ain't had nothing to do with it. I was mad.
SPEAKER_10But a fight that's that I literally had nothing to do with, you know, until I got bust in my face.
SPEAKER_16Okay, though.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, you wouldn't have fired that pistol though. Keep it with it.
SPEAKER_16Yeah, she got hit in her goddamn face, and don't have to be a big thing. You was like, I'm gonna go ahead and fill I'm gonna go ahead and fill in the blanks, but she don't want to fill the blanks there. She fired at the ass and I get it. I get it. Motherfucker hit me in my face with that on the street. Yeah. So he's like this, but he's like this.
SPEAKER_12You just was like, so yeah, so you say you fired, but you know, you drunk, you got your armpit was like this. You thought it was up here, but it was like and hit somebody in the hand.
SPEAKER_16So what that process was like for you going to CFC, well, going over to RCF. When they took you out that district and they was like, Well, yeah, you ain't made the bell. Because they only take you when after they give you a bond three hours later, they ship you up and take you up state road.
SPEAKER_10It wasn't even three hours.
SPEAKER_16It wasn't they took you before three hours was up. Yeah, I mean, because they usually give you the three-hour grace period to see if you can make bond and get let right out the district. If you can't, then they go ahead and load everybody up on a bus that received bond and didn't make it in the three-hour grace period up to State Road. Is that that little cut you got inside your eyebrow?
SPEAKER_10Yes.
SPEAKER_12Did you cry on that when it when it hit you when it should have rocking that shit?
SPEAKER_10No, I was just angry at the time. I was we was drunk. We was having fun.
SPEAKER_12That's a nice little cut, too. It's in your eyebrow too. Wow, good thing it wasn't like on your like hair, on your forehead. You had that cut on your forehead. You had, yeah. So, but um now you get you get up state rope and um now you you bitten. Got the little, you said the pistachios on.
SPEAKER_10I had I had sneakers on, but you know they make you wear different stuff when you gotta go to the visit. I wasn't used to just wearing blues every day. Had to put on the orange jumper, have to wear white every day. I didn't like that.
SPEAKER_12Wow. So and then like like this is just a question I I I gotta I gotta ask. I know, I know, I know the men, but they get like they give you like two, like do they do they give you draw on state row? So y'all y'all so y'all y'all wear they make y'all wear bloomers, or y'all y'all get you can't get nothing like no, but no Victoria's Secret No.
SPEAKER_16What do you think they get, feet? Like no, you ask crazy questions. You you know, like the lady in the Victoria's Secret. Everybody who ever even been to jail know that.
SPEAKER_10Oh no, my sister, my sister made me put on five brash, my sister made me put on all these PD for these socks. So I was prepared to go in there with like my my pop my good stuff for a couple days. But yeah, they sell that stuff on commissary.
SPEAKER_12You know, all he always go there, he can put like four pairs, four or five pairs of socks.
SPEAKER_16But that's the luxury of knowing you're going to jail. If you don't know you're going to jail, you hit.
SPEAKER_11Yeah.
SPEAKER_16I mean, you know you gotta go there on the court, and it's a possibility of you getting locked up that day. You're gonna load your ass up and everything else. You know what I'm saying? But this is the real life hard facts of jail. All that, and I don't do these shit. That shit, that this is what goes on. If I'm going to a court case and I know they're gonna take me today, and I'm with the shit, I'm gonna load my ass up with contraband and I'm gonna go. And I'm picking on different drawers and all that shit, and I'm going in.
SPEAKER_12Yeah. But you know, um, all he's a person that I seen do that so much. He's like, Yeah, I gotta turn myself in. And he'll put like a whole pack of two packs of t-shirts on. He got tank tops on, he got drawers on, he got socks on, you know, he's he's he's low, long johns, everything. So I understand. Now you on State Road, now make y'all wear you getting used to the actual the attire, the blue, the blues, and the jumpsuits and the visits, you know. Um how long did it take you to get adjusted to being on state road though?
SPEAKER_10Probably like two months.
SPEAKER_12Two months you got used to the system and everything that was going on. And uh how long do you was you on there in total?
SPEAKER_1015 months on state road.
SPEAKER_12Alright, so now your trial start, right? You go to trial. Um witnesses witnesses on the standing come in and testify to get you on assuming.
SPEAKER_10Yes.
SPEAKER_12How was that to seeing people talking about what happened? When you see somebody like that's all right right there. How did you feel about that? You weren't scared, you weren't nervous?
SPEAKER_10I don't know, like my body, I don't know. I felt so weird. Uh I was like it was a three-day trial. I don't know, I felt weird the whole the whole thing. Like I wasn't, I don't know, I wasn't myself. I was reality just really probably hit me right then, right then and there.
SPEAKER_12Hmm. Would you cry in the courtroom?
SPEAKER_10No.
SPEAKER_12That makes you like another thing too, because they always say like the transit in the morning, um, you know, for the men, like getting up and going to court, you spit showers three days. So you had to get up three days in a row and go to court. How difficult is that going to court for women?
SPEAKER_10You gotta get woke up probably like four o'clock, three o'clock, sit downstairs for a couple hours, wait for the van to come get you. Gotta be shackled up next to somebody. Gotta sit in a cold basement, eat cold sandwiches, drink nasty juice.
SPEAKER_12Now, you got hit with you I hit with a a um uh uh a rock in a sock on the streets. Did you get hit with a uh a lock in the sock in in jail?
SPEAKER_10No.
SPEAKER_12But you saw it happen though.
SPEAKER_10I for in jail.
SPEAKER_12You for what happened?
SPEAKER_10Uh uh helping myself. He was fighting some big tall dike girl now, and I was helping her. She was getting the best of my celly. I had to jump in there.
SPEAKER_12Did she get she beat both of y'all up or no?
SPEAKER_10No, we beat her up. She real big, dub. She was real big. I was scared a little bit, yeah.
SPEAKER_12Wow. So he he always talked about, you know, uh I asked that question. He talked about the transit aspect of of being transit. Now, not only in the uh in the county, but he to he uh he has a real significance. The conner travel with the feds, which is a whole nother level that he experienced. Now you you're going to trial for these these three days, and these people are testifying against you that you only that you really don't even know. How did you feel like you know, like I don't even know y'all? I didn't shoot, I shot in the air. Did you did you ever get understanding and tell your side of the story?
SPEAKER_10No.
SPEAKER_12Okay, good. Alright, so now trial is just about ending and wrapping up, and you know, everybody testify against you. Uh say what they was gonna say. How did you feel about your chances of beating the case?
SPEAKER_10I thought I was gonna beat the case.
SPEAKER_12Why?
SPEAKER_10Nobody ain't get hurt, nobody ain't die. I thought I sat for them 15 months and learned my lesson. Um I don't know. I felt like I shouldn't have got all that time.
SPEAKER_16What was Dave saying to you? Beating up to trial. Like, yo, we got this. Was he giving you any type of comfort? What is he letting you know, like, yo, this shit looking tricky? Cause I done had Dave a thousand times and he let me know everything before we go in there.
SPEAKER_10So I switched from Me Shake, I had Me Shake my preliminary hearing, right, my arraignment, and then I switched to Lonnie Fish for my. So on the third, the second day, he was like, I don't know. Two of them keep coming, they keep pointing you out, you know, they seen seven to fourteen if you get found guilty, this, this, and that. You know, I'm young, I'm like already set 15 months. So then he was like five to ten, and I was like, no.
SPEAKER_16But they came at you with that, they came at you with that uh as a deal. Okay. A five to ten.
SPEAKER_10And then it was like the last one was the three and a half to seven.
SPEAKER_12No, no, they say uh five to ten. Well, I do a five to ten when you can tell them a friend. Did you feel like you wanted to uh no?
SPEAKER_16So you took the three to seven three and eighth to seven. Three and a half to seven, you was comfortable with that, like all right, I'll take that. Yeah. Three and a half to seven.
SPEAKER_10It was like you gonna go upstate, you're gonna get your TV, you're gonna be already.
SPEAKER_16And that counts towards the three to seven. So you probably you was looking at a goddamn about another year and a half.
SPEAKER_12Roller coaster ride, up, up the roller coaster, and then right back down. So now you go you you get the three and a half to seven. Did you did you cry when you got back to the um Yeah, I cried. How long you had to do?
SPEAKER_10Imagine you pulling up, oh, we was this was like Muncie, and the kids are like the little white little kids across the street. They like, welcome to Muncie bitches. Count time. You hear them walking across the going to school, just cussing us out.
SPEAKER_12Hold on, say it again in the mic, I don't know if the people heard you say it.
SPEAKER_10It was like houses like across the street from where we at. It was like a dorm in Muncie. Like, I don't know, like a college dorm. So it was like houses right there. All the little white kids and appearance, they walking right there. As soon as we pull up, they like walk on the Muncie bitches. Oh, this shit's bro. Like, what the fuck? Count time, or like, yeah, they were saying all types of stuff.
SPEAKER_12So it's crap for us the day before you getting sent up there, like like the night before. How was that for you? You didn't know what to expect, like what's going on?
SPEAKER_10Did I know what I was gonna expect?
SPEAKER_12Yeah, well, they like like how how did you feel about the whole, like, I got I'm about to go, I'm gonna be co-op state tomorrow. They're coming to get us. And how did you feel like knowing that that that that uh part of your bed was coming?
SPEAKER_10I think I got real with myself when I got the time. And I realized nobody ain't gonna save me, nobody gonna be here. I just gotta wrap this out. Like it is what it is.
SPEAKER_16So when you went upstate, because I, you know, I like to, you know, I like to ask the females the questions of, you know, because there's a bunch of homosexuality going on on the man's side, right? You know, and dudes be in there, whatever, uh plotting on to see it, female guards and being freaky or whatever, whatever, whatever. How is it from a woman's standpoint? Is the women just as freaky or if not freakier than the men in prison?
SPEAKER_10Yeah, it's freaky.
SPEAKER_16So do y'all get long cooked cucumbers or they cut them up for y'all? Like bananas, or do they cut them up? Because they start cutting our stuff up because dudes No, I do want to know, and the audience wanna know. Hold on, hold on. Okay, so you ready to cut right in.
SPEAKER_10They get a two thrush holder. You know the two brush holder to the cupboard.
SPEAKER_16Yes, I do.
SPEAKER_10They put pads around it, they'll fall, act like they gotta go to the medical and get an ace bandit, rip the ace being just around it, and they give them, they give condoms and med lines. So all they're doing is putting a condom on it, rip the sheets, and tying it around them, like a strap on, and they put the thing right there.
SPEAKER_16Mother, you was entirely too comfortable telling me that. You did it.
SPEAKER_10My celly was gay.
SPEAKER_16My celly was gay.
SPEAKER_12Were you Sally the giver or the taker?
SPEAKER_10No, it was a boy.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, she was the giver.
SPEAKER_16Like a like a butcher.
SPEAKER_10A butch. Yeah, she was the one.
SPEAKER_16So you're the giver. Mm-hmm. Mother.
SPEAKER_10When shaked down, y'all. I'm dead serious. You see them flying all over the balcony.
SPEAKER_16Because they gotta give so when they give y'all write-ups for them for the game to the hole, all that for heaven. They didn't send you to the hole for that?
SPEAKER_10For having sex, yeah.
SPEAKER_16No, I'm not, I'm just saying, but you can use it on yourself and all that.
SPEAKER_10Certain people would probably send you to the hole for it, even though it's something.
SPEAKER_16You ain't supposed to have this and all this. And all right, get out of here. Yeah. So I get that part of it too. But yeah, I just always wanted to know, and I'm quite sure, because uh a female guard was telling me one time that was with the men, and she said, Yeah, y'all fight over here, y'all fight be more violent, but women is more higher to fight than women. I'm like, I mean than men. And I'm like, what you mean by that? Women is, you know, because women is catty. Would you agree with that?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_16From you being in there and seeing it.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_16Like women get be just irritated and just a man get irritated and want to go out to the rec yard, do push-ups or something like that. A woman will get irritated and slap something. So I'll be like, Well, damn, they was so she used to tell me, like, I hate working over there with them chickens. Like, why? They call us all types of bitches and all that on a comment. I'm like, for real? So that's how they carry it over there.
SPEAKER_10I seen a girl throw hot water on another girl over a CL, like boiling. You know the 190. Imagine getting it thrown in your face for playing with a guard, like, yeah, it's bad.
SPEAKER_16So the guard, so the girl on tip, like the guard is mine.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, they be in the middle. Maybe they're getting it in.
SPEAKER_16Yeah. Same thing with the men when they're gonna be able to get the city.
SPEAKER_12So the guards, the guards being hit with hitting the girls in there?
SPEAKER_10Yeah, upstate road, yeah.
SPEAKER_12Oh wow. Wow. And upstate and muncie, nah.
SPEAKER_10Nah. Nobody playing with no white people.
SPEAKER_12Yeah. So, like you said, hold on, I got a question for you. You young though. Like, like, you said that the what?
SPEAKER_10What?
SPEAKER_12You said that they they they don't they they don't cut they cut the cute the cucumbers up for the biggest.
SPEAKER_10What was they doing with cucumbers? What were you talking about with the cucumbers?
SPEAKER_16The cucumbers, the uh or anything of some girth, like banana?
SPEAKER_10Oh I don't know. Freaky people probably do that. I ain't never heard that though.
SPEAKER_16Like the you know, the the freaky faggots and all that. They were seeing sexual.
SPEAKER_10I remember my dad asked us, did we have like um couldn't get sausages no more? They said we was no, we got oil it. No.
SPEAKER_16Oh, you're gonna get see with the men, we don't get it. They cut them up.
SPEAKER_12And my next question, would you be would you would you be would you be considered gay if you uh poofed a cucumber?
SPEAKER_16No. No, I wouldn't be considered gay because I'm not doing it for a sexual act. I'm doing it to conceive or deceive the police of getting something in, and this is the only way I can get something through this checkpoint is by putting it in my office. In jail, you gotta do unethical things to survive. I gotta ask. You know what I mean? You might have had a nigga in there to help you pack that motherfucker like that. Put that motherfucker all in the hole. You don't do that, but that's the place that you don't never need to go to.
SPEAKER_15I know, I said I said that for big things.
SPEAKER_16Yeah, because the motherfucker about, yo, that suitcase right there look like you can take this. Nah. You like, damn guys. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_10Well, that's uh no, they just stuff it and put it in the and go on the ride. The girls is different. They stuff they stuff and just put it up there and go for the ride. Especially if they gotta go back back and forth, they're gonna be cool.
SPEAKER_12Wow. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. All right, so uh your celly got into a fight with a um so your celly was was a was was a butch. Um but she got a fight with another butch. But this butch was like was taller.
SPEAKER_10No, like a big fed.
SPEAKER_12And what they're fighting over?
SPEAKER_10Over a girl, I think. I don't know.
SPEAKER_12Wow.
SPEAKER_10I'm like, I think that was like my probably like my second day. Third day there.
SPEAKER_16Uh monthly.
SPEAKER_10No, state rule.
SPEAKER_16Oh, that was state rule.
SPEAKER_10And I think I had to do like 30 days in a whole they locked you up for that?
SPEAKER_16She jumped in it. Because I jumped in. Oh, you jumped in it, okay. Yeah, you gotta roll, you gotta roll with folks. You got to roll with folks in there. How was that whole time for you? I'm talking about what that experience. I want you to explain what the experience was like from population to the whole. Like, is that night and day?
SPEAKER_10You ain't coming out. One one hour, that's it. Was you hungry in there? I ain't gonna lie, I went on a diet. I was in there working out, pushing that.
SPEAKER_16Yeah, you want to eat them trays to come through? I'd be I'll be at the trade mine saying, Yo, it's lunchtime. They know it's lunchtime. I'll be right back. What the tray at? Speak up with my food. We coming. Man, listen, man. Tracy McGrady in that joint. Get that to me in the hole. I'm hungry as hell.
SPEAKER_10That's what I'm Muncy. My first day there, that's how they got us. We had like a whole chicken. You know, I was gonna stay rolling, they ain't give us nothing like that. I had like a whole chicken, mixed vegetables.
SPEAKER_12He said that corners, he's talking about the corners' hand all the time. That's what holidays they get at out.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, but like I was happy. Like, it was like my first real meal. I ain't have a meal in 15 months.
SPEAKER_12I think he said he like I think he said he poofed like three corners' hens.
SPEAKER_16No, I ain't never booked. No, you ain't gotta boof no corners' hands and none of that. All that type of stuff. That that's not contra. That's contraband. It is, yeah, it's contraband when you steal him, but yeah, you boofing the shit that's gonna get you locked the fuck up. The knife, the drugs. You ain't boofing no chicken and shit like that. All right, you take that off you. You barely go to hold for that. Let's a super nutty police.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, we had them, they was nutty, I must say, they was bad. We couldn't still get no food in that and out. They was bad.
SPEAKER_16But they probably they weren't gonna lock you up, they probably gave you a write-up. But you get locked up if you get caught with that knife and them drugs. Yeah, you're going to jail about that, or maybe even recharged. So to further hide it, you boof it. Because you know, have the guards by, oh, yeah, all right. We don't see nothing here, nigga. Go ahead. You'd have made it through the yumin with the with it with the yum me. And that's just it.
SPEAKER_12Wow. So you got um, so you so you're getting dug in now up Muncie, and what was the the biggest transition for you, you know, upstate that you had to make once you got there.
SPEAKER_10But like when I knew life got real, like what I had to do. Oh, yeah, when I first got up there, um, I got in the programs. I did I had to do like violent prevention. Um, I was on the electric crew. Oh, you weren't bullshitting, mother. No.
SPEAKER_16You went up there with the right plan.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_16You were you must have had an old head or something up there that was schooling you to the ropes, like yo, you went to the room.
SPEAKER_10No, I knew I I knew I messed up. I knew I had to chalk it. I did what I did. So I had a life outside before I went to jail. Like it was like that it girl. Like, I'm not saying it like that, but like I was the fun person.
SPEAKER_16Like, did you have kids at the time?
SPEAKER_10I don't have no kids. I still to this day?
SPEAKER_16No. Um do you think you look okay? All right.
SPEAKER_10Um, no, I just felt like my life just changed that fast, and that's why I be trying to help. Because I don't want them. I see it's bad now. You see, every time you turn around, it's a fight. How fast your life can really change, and the people not gonna be there for you, the people who you least expect that you probably breaking your neck for, all those things is gonna change, and you're gonna be like, damn, I was there for everybody. Like, damn, everybody just left me. That's how I felt. Like a lot of people did.
SPEAKER_16Let me ask you about the uh the go, just to rewind a little bit. The girls that you was with when the melee started, right? Was any of them around for your bid?
SPEAKER_10No.
SPEAKER_16Wow. One is one. It was numerous of y'all out there?
SPEAKER_10Yeah. But like my main person was the person I was hanging with, and probably like three other people that was with us. Mind you, it was young girls' party. It wasn't really our party, so it was like the younger crowd.
SPEAKER_16Right.
SPEAKER_10But the main person that I was hanging with, no.
SPEAKER_16Didn't even come up with nothing. Well, not come up or keep in contact with you.
SPEAKER_10No.
SPEAKER_16Why did you try to did you try to reach out? No. Oh, so you ain't even try to engage it to see if it was gonna be. A communication. So we can't really get that to her. We can't get a band part to her.
SPEAKER_10I think I probably got like one letter.
SPEAKER_16Well shit, you ain't reached back out. What you expect a person to do? If I keep texting you to my mother's what's up and I ain't getting nothing back. No, she ain't on me.
SPEAKER_10The most I probably wanted somebody to do is make sure my dad was already, my mom was already, I was already.
SPEAKER_16Okay.
SPEAKER_10That's the only thing I probably wanted people to do, and I felt like two people did that.
SPEAKER_16Okay. Out the group that was there with you that day.
SPEAKER_10No. No.
SPEAKER_16Wow.
SPEAKER_10No.
SPEAKER_16See, everybody, man, you think of your friends as your friends until it really hit the fan, man. You out there and you see what life is hitting for, then you see who by your side. As Miss Mothers is up here telling you today.
SPEAKER_12How many girls in that, well, females I should say, in the prisons that you were in, that you see, so to speak, that I was on the term he used, they own cups, meaning like they doing bad.
SPEAKER_10That I was locked up with? Yeah, it wasn't. No, I feel like a lot of the people that I was locked up with is doing great.
SPEAKER_12They was doing great. Inside of inside the jail, they was doing great.
SPEAKER_10Oh no, like with the people with the time.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, I'm talking about, yeah, because like I he says people will be in jail. He was just term called they don't they on cups.
SPEAKER_10There's a lot of people like that. But they get a girlfriend and their girlfriend probably got some money and she's gonna make sure she's cool. Or they probably get a guard.
SPEAKER_12You know, um I know he was saying something like in the state, the but the I mean uh in the feds, the men is some men that practice polygamy in there.
SPEAKER_10And in and um men have more than more than one um Oh, they don't do that up there, they fighting over there. They fighting the girls fighting over a girlfriend up there, ain't nobody doing that.
SPEAKER_12Oh, so they ain't doing that.
SPEAKER_10So it was like Oh, the men ain't doing that either.
SPEAKER_16My first time. We ain't gonna be sitting up here lying just to get some lab sweet stop.
SPEAKER_10No, my first time going up there, I was seeing a wet and like literally, y'all. Like I'm putting my bags down, it's like a big dorm.
SPEAKER_16Right.
SPEAKER_10I never seen that before. Going to bed from it's like people in there really having a wet and a six cake layer cake.
SPEAKER_16Yeah, I think that becomes written rice. They got bags of rice and they throwing it in the air. Yes, this ain't no damn polygamy, like more than one. Who said I never said no stuff like that? But you didn't know you you thought I said it. Come on, bro. We're talking about it before. We're talking about it before. You messed with no mess with this ball. If you got that's not that's polygamy, no. He got multiple people that he that he that he that he's dealing with. No, bro. That's not that that caused a race, that cause a riot. As you see with the D blocks there, the homies got to stabbing each other the fuck out for that shit. Ain't that don't don't. I never said that. I'm never gonna say nothing like that. You said that he was like, No, I didn't block out for the back. Yes, he did that, but he almost got killed for it. But I'm saying, but he was doing it. Yeah, but they don't practice polygamy up there. They usually be one-on-one with the same sex and that it go on forever to the guards find out and kick them out of the jail.
SPEAKER_10When I was like that, what it was the people from 38th Street in there, um, the lady with the fix the flat. I was like locked up with like all the people that's gonna be.
SPEAKER_12Oh, the one that got the who's doing the um the BBLs.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, I was locked up with the abortion people.
SPEAKER_12Oh, on the on average.
SPEAKER_10So when I went to the hole, they in the hole, they can't come out at all. You know, they on uh what's that?
SPEAKER_12Oh, they're on death row?
SPEAKER_10Oh, I seen death row on State Road when like I'm at um Muncie. Only one person I think made it to like life that came out of Death Row when I was up there.
SPEAKER_12Wow. So hold on. The the people that was doing the the the girl was doing putting the fixture flat and giving the um BBLs. Um how much time did she get? She had like I know she had like light because somebody people died.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. She had a whole closet like that up there. She made clothes, slippers, all that, like bathing suits, all that. Like, yeah. She was getting her money up there. She ain't care. She still was doing stuff.
SPEAKER_12Wow. Uh this was an African American lady, I believe.
SPEAKER_10I don't know. She was like Nick, she was a a beautiful he, whatever it was, he, she, whatever, but it was pretty.
SPEAKER_12Why you say why you say he, she, why you say that?
SPEAKER_10Because I think it was a guy. And then this guy just changed over. I don't know what it was.
SPEAKER_12Are you serious?
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_12So hold on, but now, okay, that was that was back in 2011, but they changed that now. Cause remember they was having some men that was going into the female facilities and he ended up getting I I forget what this was, but it was a man that went into a female facility who claimed that he was a female and he got two uh female inmates pregnant, I believe.
SPEAKER_10That wasn't here the was it?
unknownI'm not sure.
SPEAKER_12No, that was another state.
SPEAKER_16I seen that.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, yeah, but I saw that happen. So that so now, so uh Trump said that's it for that. So now if you if you were born a man, if you no matter what you did, if you chop the situation up, you're going to a man's facility. And they were saying that it's unconstitutional because people get feared for their life and all this stuff. But Trump was like, he ain't care about none of that. Um so yeah, so these people um because we we really hear about a lot of women getting, you know, uh those type of sentences where so they're getting, you know, death row and so forth and so on. You you you don't really hear about it, you're more here more so hear about it with men. So um and you and your encounters with these type of people that got this death row sentences females. What's their mind state like?
SPEAKER_10Um Shout out India Penny. I was actually like that with the people that did the bus. Um India just beat her. India just came home from busy. Um Hipon Cease to be more her name, Penny.
SPEAKER_12What did she do again? Supposedly supposedly did?
SPEAKER_10Yeah, shot up the bus. The three bus. That was like 2012.
SPEAKER_12Was it the two boys?
SPEAKER_10It was yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_12Oh wow. She called she just wanted to call her brother or something in there? Oh wow. And she beat that?
SPEAKER_10I think she got five to ten.
SPEAKER_12Five of ten. Wow. So, you know, doing your bed and being and being incarcerated all that time and you know and and spending that time. So you did you did what how much time you did upstate?
SPEAKER_10Two years.
SPEAKER_12Two years. And going upstate, how fast did you get adjusted to that? Because it like that that's a lot different than the county.
SPEAKER_10I think I got adjusted to upstate fast though, because I sat in blues for three months. So you're not really doing nothing in blues because you're waiting for your blood stuff to come back. It just got you sitting there, I guess waiting for a bed or something. But we sit over there for like 90, 90 days. And when you go on browns, you'd be excited to go on browns because you can do stuff. You can get better commentary, you can get sweatsuits, you can get sneakers, you can get different stuff, so you'd be a little excited to get to Browns.
SPEAKER_12Now, you get to uh get to the Browns, you get your celly. Um, who was your celly when you was up there? Was it somebody that you was cool with? Because he he he he said something to me uh the other day, or we had a guest who said that you can have a celly, and y'all won't even really even speak.
SPEAKER_10It is like that. If you're having a bad day, yeah.
SPEAKER_12Now he's saying they won't speak for months, really. Unless they unless they had. We had a guest who said that. So Russ was saying, like, you know, he you can have a celly and you won't even.
SPEAKER_16I never had a celly, I didn't speak for them for months, ever. Ever. Well, he was saying, he didn't say this. After the first we ain't bidding. If we ain't bidding right, either I'm leaving the cell or he's leaving the cell.
SPEAKER_10That's how my dear.
SPEAKER_12But he was saying he he didn't say he didn't speak, he said that they that they didn't know nothing about each other.
SPEAKER_10It is probably people like this, though. I've already said, yeah, it's probably people that like it.
SPEAKER_16I ain't saying anything, but majority of the people is not moving in no cell with nobody not compatible. Yeah. Because that's even more confined than living in a house with somebody. You're living in a bathroom the size of a bathroom with a nigga. And if you the first three days you know if you can live with this nigga or not, through arguments and everything, you're not gonna subject yourself to keep living with this man for days and days and months and years. If it ain't no time, and I'm saying, I'm not saying it ain't gonna be no arguments. Me and my celllies done went, we done got mad and body boxed each other in there. Chill, don't talk for each other for an hour. It's cool. Then later on that hour, we right back cool. Because it's somewhat I could, but when you know you win a cold-blooded, nutty nigga cell, you gotta go on the road. Yeah, one. I'm not kidding. I'm in there with a little ass white boy, he probably a choke. Oh, I'm out of here. I'm getting so far away from this, you're not sitting there with that. And the police will let you leave. So a lot of stuff, you know. You mean you can take it for face value, but uh but for the most part, you're not gonna be in a cell with a motherfucker after a month. Yeah, after 30 days, bro, a week is tops for you to know if you're gonna live in here or not. Would you agree, mother?
SPEAKER_10Yes.
SPEAKER_16This is closed confines. You can tell how a motherfucker moved. They eating a big ass bowl when you moved in. You they see you ain't got nothing. Yeah, what's up? Damn, I ain't say nothing. I'm hungry as shit. Hopefully, he spread a little love with that motherfucker. But the a third a man gonna be like, yo, for real? You bro, take half this. You from the drive. Oh, yeah, this is somebody I can bear with. That just that little bit of, you know, him showing that.
SPEAKER_10He gonna be our, we gonna be cool, we gonna be our.
SPEAKER_16Yeah, we we gonna be, but I'm and then that that's not to say that y'all ain't gonna argue. Y'all in there all fucking, you know, y'all gonna argue. Yeah, he thinks he know more than you, you think he know more than you, the same way with the women. Yeah, I probably argue with you a lot. We just no, you but get knocked out in the cell. You would be knocked out there to lock me up in a whole week.
SPEAKER_10I already say they wrote I was with my me and my cousin with Sully for six months.
SPEAKER_16Oh, you and your cousin see that was a good job. Yeah, see, when you find like a family member or a close friend, brother, and he's like, Oh, yeah, we get in the cell together. Because you already know how to you done been in society with them. So it's nothing for you to be in confinement with this person. You see what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_10I I had eight Sullies one time. That's when I got to Cambridge.
SPEAKER_16You had eight Selllies?
SPEAKER_10It was eight of us, yeah. And one and one, like we had a room, it probably was this size, two bumpies on each side.
SPEAKER_16Wow. How you like living like that?
SPEAKER_10I was cool because I had one friend in there. The rest was like, you know, of the like black. I don't know. I think I like when it's like that because it's like. I did. It was fun. It is, it was fun. But you know, I was happy that me and her was like this. We could talk, we got our TVs, we are, but it was kind of fun.
SPEAKER_14Yeah, because you could be in that motherfucker, and I love it.
SPEAKER_10You ain't even gotta come outside because it's all of us in here. That's not those type of questions that you were talking about.
SPEAKER_12Let me ask them those crazy type of questions. Like the, you know, I mean, the question you have just like it out first and all that stuff, because it's a good thing. Oh, yeah, that's what exactly. Exactly.
SPEAKER_16That's when that type of stuff arises. It's more than one personality in there, and everybody in there just kicking it. Don't nobody want to go to sleep. Don't let the blocks be locked in. Whereas are y'all locked in for weeks, so we sleeping all day.
SPEAKER_09So imagine all night. Imagine the things and slip.
SPEAKER_16The day, the daytime turns in your night. Nigga get up and get breakfast, and that's the time you go to bed. You go to bed after breakfast. You want all your celllies. Wow.
SPEAKER_10Cook for us. We all gonna watch the shove. Like, yeah.
SPEAKER_16You was cooking butter?
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_16What you was making? What was your what was your favorite bowl to me?
SPEAKER_10Rice and meet, bro. But I knew how to make the chi cheese and stuff. I didn't like it.
SPEAKER_16You like it? I'm rice board too. I eat rice every day of the week.
SPEAKER_10I don't like, yeah.
SPEAKER_16Uh see the state, see, the feds don't offer you. Well, you can make it, but you got so much up. Ain't nobody making cheat cheese in the feds.
SPEAKER_10Well, you and I was upstate road and up there. Yeah, see, over there. But I make a poppin' cheat cheese.
SPEAKER_16Boiled egg in it. Sound like my purple. You mean don't let me get onions and bell peppers. How do you boil eggs? Because they give it to you on the trays. Oh, wow. Up upstate road, it comes like bourbon type.
SPEAKER_10See, we ain't had that upstate. My celly popped the socket and we blow up bowl in the water. Yeah, see that's right. They give fry rice and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_16Wow.
SPEAKER_10Like I wanted the older woman.
SPEAKER_16As Sellys.
SPEAKER_10As a celly, yeah. I wanted to chew. I wanted to learn how to crochet. I wanted to be around the old heads. I want to learn how to play pinnuckle.
SPEAKER_16I want to know what they do. But you know how to play the pinoch now. Yeah. I'll cook you. Stop playing all the time, man. Cook your thing.
SPEAKER_10Like, how you gonna know how to play spades, but you don't know how to play pinnuckle? Because I hung with the older. But it's the same thing, yeah.
SPEAKER_16It's peanut is spades on steroids.
SPEAKER_12Yeah. Did you learn any any any jokes up there? Like any like jailhouse jokes?
SPEAKER_10I don't know. I don't remember. I don't know, it was so long ago.
SPEAKER_12She be having these jokes up man. I just thought you might have had something for the audience, like a gel house joke. They they they be they be clamoring for those types of things, you know what I mean. But so now you up there, you like you said, you're making cheat cheese, uh, bowls, rice bowls with mackerel.
SPEAKER_10Macro bowies and all that.
SPEAKER_12Were you stingy with your celly?
SPEAKER_10No. I always had an already celly though. I always had somebody that always had we all. It's probably once in the blue if somebody asked for a honey bun. But I don't know. I hung around people that was like, hair.
SPEAKER_12Oh, they leave a honey bun on your pillow. Is that that that's that true?
SPEAKER_16You ain't had not one friend that in there that was fucked up though? Because I had a lot of friends, and I've been fucked up a lot, and I fucked up a lot of good men.
SPEAKER_10No, I felt like stay roll. We all stuck together though. Like we all was together. Probably was like six of us. So if you ain't here, we're gonna make sure you got it. You ain't gonna yet you ain't get your money this week, we gonna be alright.
SPEAKER_16Exactly.
SPEAKER_10We gonna cook together, we all gonna eat together. Like, no, we ain't I ain't I don't know. We always help. I don't know.
SPEAKER_16That's how a commodity. I want to ask you this, because we asked a lot of people that come up here and sit on this couch. And I'll I give my reason already, but I want people to see from other people in there upon meeting some people that you never knew on the street, other girls that's convicts in there. What would you say them relationships like? Can them relationships get better than relationships that you previously had on the street?
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_16Why you say that though?
SPEAKER_10Because I'm still cool with here for the people that I went away with. That we home, we we talk, we all cool. And that was years ago. Like, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_16Do you got anybody that's currently still locked up that you reach back to?
SPEAKER_10Two of my sisters. They call you. And they be calling you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_16How that beat when they call you, see, like, damn all right, they still in they got a lot of time. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10I think one of them probably got like 50 or something.
SPEAKER_12Well, what was she doing?
SPEAKER_10She was real young. I think she said she was like 21. She was a cop.
SPEAKER_12She was a cop?
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_12And what happened?
SPEAKER_10Her boyfriend like took her somewhere. Wind up probably robbing a place or something, but in the midst of it, they got caught and she was off duty, but she was a cop and the incident happened while he was right there with her.
SPEAKER_12Wow. She's black, Rican.
SPEAKER_10She's from North Philly.
SPEAKER_12She's still with her boyfriend?
SPEAKER_10No, she don't even know where he had or nothing. Like, no.
SPEAKER_12Dang, how much how much time she got?
SPEAKER_10I think she got like 50 to life or something like that.
SPEAKER_12Somebody got killed?
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_12Oh damn.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_12Wow. Wow, that's crazy. So, um you know, you up there, like you said, you meeting people and you're building these these uh uh these bonds. And these bonds, it's hard to break these bonds because y'all going through a an oppression together. Um and you said you still answer the phone for them. You know, how important is that for inmates just to get somebody to answer the phone? Like just to pick up the phone.
SPEAKER_10It's very important. We might have a bad day or something, we probably just want to event. Some people don't even call home because they ain't got nobody to call. Like some people is really a little bad. Like, some people don't have nobody. I remember some one time this girl Bell was like $200. We like some money out so she can get belled out, y'all. She was like 19 on state rule. And we sum money out $200 bell. Yeah. Little baby. We got her out.
SPEAKER_12That's crazy. What's she in there for?
SPEAKER_10A fight.
SPEAKER_12And she ain't had nobody to come in.
SPEAKER_10Like, I got a baby at home. We like, no, we got a big thing.
SPEAKER_16So a lot of people in there like that. Feak is grown men over there with lesser bills than bells than that. $80. Yeah. Shit like that. The guards, and then when they start, when it gets too overcrowded, they'll start getting dudes out with not that they'll start letting people out with them type of bells, RRs. He had a hundred dollar bell, he couldn't make it. Your bell is a thousand dollars, ten percent is a hundred. You got a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot.
SPEAKER_12That's crazy, man. You know what? Now you say I remember something like that. Um, you know, um, one time Art was like, you know, uh, we had bells out a bunch of people that was on the block. I think we probably it wasn't even that much. I think it probably was like $2,000, but it was a bunch of people that was on the block in a jail that had stuff like that. So Art was like, I want to get these people out. And you and uh I I remember now I think about he did do something like that. Art went in there and got people out of jail. They had like low bells. But you know, um these situations like arise where people commit crimes and they get these low behind bells, but you never know how they they burnt the bridges with people out here on the streets. So that could be the reason why they're in there. But it's still crazy. Like if I got my man or my homie sitting in jail for a $200 bell, if you had a $200, $200 bell, young, and then and you got people out here that got all got money, got jobs, how would you feel if you came home? I mean, I mean, like if you had to sit for a year or two with a $200 bell.
SPEAKER_16It's not even no feeling. It's just like, okay, it's over with. That that ain't my friend. Yeah, you out of pocket, man. Ain't my friend, there's no reason to get mad and go crazy. All right, you showed me. You said what you say all the time, a person to show you who they is. Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_10I had to start all over again.
SPEAKER_12You came home into no friends, nobody.
SPEAKER_10Like, like I had my sister had like a going away party, like a coming home party, but if the people was there, it wasn't there when I really needed them. So, like, got a job, six months, moved out. Like, nobody helped me. Like, probably old he is. My OH is where somebody I probably used to deal with, probably gave me a couple, you know, thousands to get big, but no, I ain't come home to none of that. No pennies, no bra, no soup, no, but I ain't expect that. You get what I'm saying? That's why I had to get it. No, I had to go out to Target that night or Walmart to get it myself.
SPEAKER_12Do they do they do women how they do men? Like, I know you see they they're coming in, like you're using the pot of eight people.
SPEAKER_16Do they come in and say she wasn't on a pot, she was in the she was in a a room with eight people.
SPEAKER_12Not a room. Well, a room with eight people. Do they come in there? Like, everybody just it's a shakedown. Everybody take everything off.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. No, not take it off, but it's shakedown. They coming in here, shaking our room down.
SPEAKER_12Oh, so they don't do it, they don't do it, they don't do like how they do the men. He said they'll make the men just get naked and then drink just. Oh yeah, when it's shaked down, they come in shit.
SPEAKER_10The women, they just no, they just come in our room, a woman, make us probably take our stuff off, squat calls. That's it.
SPEAKER_16Oh yeah, that's get naked.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_16That's get naked. Let me see that ass and titties. Come on, put it to the flow, and then come on out here. Right? Why you got a uh girl standing next to you, like Yes.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_16Both of y'all ass and titties out. Both men dicking ass out. That's how they come out.
SPEAKER_10They might do us one at a time, though.
SPEAKER_12Like if but it's no it's no men doing that. No mention. No. Okay.
SPEAKER_16There's no women doing us either. It'd probably be women that come, but while the initial search is, they'll be staying off to the side.
SPEAKER_10Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_16And then the other thing. And then they'll come in after the strip search is done, they'll come in the cell. Boom. Right. And be in there.
SPEAKER_12Wow. So you come home and nothing. Nobody. Let's talk about you, you know, your release, know you're about to come home. When did you know you was coming home?
SPEAKER_10Um, probably like, what is it, like three weeks?
SPEAKER_16Did you have to go see the parole board?
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_16Uh were you scared?
SPEAKER_10Yeah, I was scared.
SPEAKER_16How that spirits was going to see them? Because that's when you know if you're coming home or not.
SPEAKER_10Nah, I was just nervous. I ain't getting no trouble though.
SPEAKER_16Did you have your portfolio with you to go in there to read off whatever you hear?
SPEAKER_10I had my own little stuff, yeah. But it was like so fast, so I was like, I don't know. Then the questions they was asking, I was like, I don't know.
SPEAKER_16Well, they was asking you. Just name one of one of them.
SPEAKER_10Um, they asked me like where I was coming home to, and I was like, I'm going to my sister's house. And he was like, why you don't want to go to your sister? Why you not going to your mom's house? I was just like, she not in the right state right now. You know, I want to go with my sister because it's more room distance in it. And they was like, that's the same lady when the cops came there. Um, she was like, them bitches got what they deserve. And I was like, they really read the paperwork, like with them.
SPEAKER_16Yes, they do, they go through it, man. They go through it.
SPEAKER_10And I was like, huh? And I was so shocked, I was like, Yeah, I guess like I was just so shocked that they asked those type of questions. I was like, wow, they really read your your document, they really read your paperwork.
SPEAKER_12Shout out to Doc. Yo, Doc, what are you talking about in the chat, man? Doc, man. What's wrong with Doc, man? And what they do?
SPEAKER_10What else they asked? They asked so much stuff. I don't wasn't even thinking because I was just sweating. I was like, this is finally here. I really ain't know what to do. My body was like warm. But I felt like I did good though.
SPEAKER_16Everything was like, But they don't tell you the decision right then that they do that. No. So how long you gotta wait for?
SPEAKER_10I think like a week, and it be on the call out. You know, like what counselor? No, because they was like, if you get this counselor, you know you go home. If you get that count, like people up there already knew, like they didn't seen the road, they know the rules.
SPEAKER_16Yeah, so the counselor you got was the one that was going home. So you go back to get that green sheet, like, yeah, I already know what it's hitting for. How you was feeling though? I was serving, like, was you ready? Like, I well, anyway, that's a stupid question. I know you was ready to come home, but like in your mind, like, damn.
SPEAKER_10The longest three weeks ever.
SPEAKER_16So you were you was getting released three weeks after you got that green sheet. Wow. So, what was your days like doing that three weeks?
SPEAKER_10No, I still worked, I still did everything because I probably wanted the day to go by faster. So I went to work, I did all that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_16Then tell me about the night, the night before release. How was that night? Did you sleep like a baby? Was you up all night?
SPEAKER_10I was up all night crying with my celly.
SPEAKER_16Your celly right there bobbing with you. That's how I usually be. They act like they go home too. Oh my god. Everybody and then you and there, like, damn, my people.
SPEAKER_10It was eight of us.
SPEAKER_16Well, yeah, eight of y'all.
SPEAKER_10They didn't hang out.
SPEAKER_16They gave you a going away party. Tomorrow, she get up out of here. What's that? Do they release y'all early? Because in the feds, they really, when you get when you get discharged, they get you out of there by six o'clock, six. 30. They don't be no plan.
SPEAKER_10No, my cousin probably got there like nine o'clock in the morning.
SPEAKER_16Okay, nine in the morning. And you was out by what?
SPEAKER_10Probably like 10.
SPEAKER_16Yeah, they dragged y'all to the state.
SPEAKER_10They was denying us clothes. What do you mean? Somebody sent me something. It was like, you can't wear it at all. I think it was like some little shorts or something. I had to send it back out, get some more clothes sent up.
SPEAKER_16Yeah, see, I was doing like how y'all making me see when they came and got me, they bought my back the bags in the car.
SPEAKER_10See, they wanted me to be like, I'm outside the jail. Like, let me pick these jokes up. I already had my stuff three weeks already. Once I got my date, they already signed the clothes up. They mailed them to me. Right. So I could be dressed when I come out.
SPEAKER_16But now the council goes and then they'll come back and tell you how they do us is yo, uh, your stuff here. But yeah, that that ain't yeah, that don't fit the criteria for you to damn, you just told me I can get that. Now you gotta send that back out. Yeah, fill out another form for them approve it. Yeah, it's just too much. That's why I told y'all to bring the clues with y'all.
SPEAKER_12I got a question though. This is like this kind of because I understand how how close females are. And um, I don't know if him and his celly was doing this, but you know how females, y'all real close. Like somebody says something in the chat, they said women used to, you know, like like taking the clues off in front of other women. Um, yeah, that that's that's something the women do. Hey, I don't know if him and his celly was doing this. No, I ain't taking this dick and ass up. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. But women, y'all sometimes. Like if we come from the shower, y'all lay y'all lay in the same, y'all lay in the same bed. Like y'all just no.
SPEAKER_10I might we might fall asleep like my cousin, I might fall asleep on her bead, and she probably be out there playing cards. Oh, but y'all might fall asleep in the same bed.
SPEAKER_12Like, all right. Because I know how women y'all get y'all get close like that. Like I see that all the time. Like y'all, y'all fall asleep in the bed.
SPEAKER_10Ain't nobody let nobody sit on their bed though.
SPEAKER_12Oh, you can't sit on nobody's bed in it.
SPEAKER_10I don't want you with you been outside, you've been uh you ain't sitting on my bed.
SPEAKER_16That's a form of disrespect to go sit on somebody's bed, especially if you you you not really they friend or nothing. Even with that, you'll lift up the mattress and sit on the frame of the bed. That you'll see that. Or you'll walk past a nigga's cell and see people in their cell, and the mattress be lifted up, and you'll see them sitting on the metal.
SPEAKER_12Wow. So, yeah, y'all was up all night. You said y'all was crying and anticipating the guards coming to tell you, like, get the hell out of here. Whatever they say to y'all, it's time to go.
SPEAKER_10They got me probably like nine, nine o'clock. Come on, it's time to go. Everybody saying bye from the yard over there, over there.
SPEAKER_16Yeah. You left everything to all the girls.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, besides my TV. You know they haters, they don't want you to leave your TV. Oh, they don't let you leave it no more. No, they haters. But yeah, I left everything.
SPEAKER_16So you can't leave a TV. You can't give it a couple. You can give it to somebody who don't have that. No, they want you to buy it.
SPEAKER_10No, because mind you, when you get it, they already carve your name in it. And they be weird. They check it.
SPEAKER_16A lot of people, I know some people that take.
SPEAKER_10I left my walkie and stuff like my walkmen and stuff like that. But they ain't only thing they let me leave was the TV.
SPEAKER_12Bring that to RD with you upon release. No, he he spent something like he said, it'll be a guy that'd take another man's walkman and be listening to the walkman with him. Like, yeah, like giving him a hit, the other ear phone. Like he said, some guys who brody guys and take take their like their headphones. No, what you what you talking about? Feet for feet, man. No, listen, no, we couldn't collect it. No, it's not too much. That's all we want to do. Like, that's not I'm not playing. It's a different thing.
SPEAKER_10So you're saying is the girls in there she ain't what? The same headphones?
SPEAKER_12I'm saying, like brodying other girls for their stuff.
SPEAKER_10No, but it'd probably be a couple fights in there.
SPEAKER_12Because he said that it'll be a guy, you'll give him the headphones, and then the person who got his headphones took it be, like, let me hear, let me he'll he'll give them like a headphone and listen. Like, I took your headphones, but I you still hear, yeah. Yeah, so that I'm not trying to it's an honest question. So it so the the robberies don't happen in there like they happen in the men in the men gym. No, no. Okay. He always thinks I'm joking. I'll be serious, man. This it might sound funny, but the question is be serious.
SPEAKER_16Did you have a guard mother that you like had your eye on? Like, well, damn, okay. He looked a little sweet. Yeah, I mean, he might go ahead and he probably was a little sweet on you too. Like, Miss Moders, you need this such and such, and you like, ooh.
SPEAKER_10No, it was like this one white guy that was up there, but he was like cool with all of us. Like he was cool with all the old heads. He wanted to know what to do, and he take his family down Philly. He was from up there, so he'd be like, We all think I should go with and we'd be talking to him. He'll bring us food and shit. Like Nard.
SPEAKER_12Nard.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, that was at Monty.
SPEAKER_12We got Nard in the chat, I believe. But then um So you know, you you get up there and not every guard is difficult to deal with. You got some guards that are like cool, extremely cool.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, it's something that's real cool. It be the girls, it'd be the big oopa loopas, big wells be so angry. They so mean and evil. I feel like why you miserable? Why y'all come here and be miserable?
SPEAKER_12Did you experience racism? Like directly directed at you by yourself?
SPEAKER_10No, no, no. No. Uh one time and they ain't want to go in, he was like, get the fucking y'all kennels. I felt like that was really disrespectful. I felt like we should have rolled on them. Yeah, that's that's very that's I felt like I was like, if this was the men jail, he they would've beat him up. Like y'all let him get a page too much, y'all let him say crazy stuff. Yeah, they say weird shit up there.
SPEAKER_12Hey, hey, hey, hey Dot, man, what's going on with Dot with these questions, man? Yeah, man. Hey, no, I turkey bands. I'm chilling, man. I just asking questions, man. I just got because you know, sometimes questions they they just be on my mind. It may sound like I'm trying to be funny, but it's just a real life question. Like I'm I'm not being I'm not being funny.
SPEAKER_10He just No, it's really up there.
SPEAKER_12So let's rewind back to you getting out. You can't you gotta take your TV with you. Where your TV at now?
SPEAKER_10Up there, probably. I don't know. I left it. I don't know. They just wanted me to return it back to them. I don't know.
SPEAKER_16They gave it to Iraq. That's why I don't y'all know so. I don't never take nothing down to RD. I'm still giving it away. Man, my shit broke last week. Because I know they're gonna give it to the hot. What they do is they take all this stuff, all the good stuff. See, I've been in there for a long time, so I seen the runs of it. I had a counselor named Mr. Ponte. Mr. Ponte was super thorough, white girl, crazy body. Everybody loved her.
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SPEAKER_16Ponti was ready to retire. When she retired, I was her head orderly. When she retired, she said, Jackson, I want you to come back here and get some shit. You know, you can hand some shit out to the men. I'm thinking it's gonna be extra tall people and all this dumb ass shit. I go back there into her office. She pulls open, she got a desk. She pulls open the bottom drawer. It's about, I mean, no exaggeration. I'm I'm underplaying it. And so everything I say, add five to it. It's about 10 walkmans, 12 pair headphones. I'm talking about all like the stuff that they got in the jail, but they probably took it from a motherfucker because you can't have more in the feds, you can't have more than a certain amount than to become contraband. I'm talking about so much stuff. All this stuff that they take from, because you know, they take it to the back. She likes put it in a back bag, we can't nobody see it.
SPEAKER_07I'm like, all this with the plant type?
SPEAKER_16She's like, man, get all that out of the office. Cause I ain't gonna be here in the next week. They gonna come ahead and give it to the rats and shit. But that's what they use it for. Motherfuckers that's in there telling and all that and this and that. All right, yeah, you ain't got no walkman, take two of them. You know, because you're not allowed to have us in the feds anyway. Like, you like you say, but they do the same thing with us. If we buy a walkman from the store, they engrave your number on the back of it when you buy it in the store. So that means you can't get another one. So if you got two, one of them becomes contraband.
SPEAKER_10That's what they do with us too.
SPEAKER_16Same thing, man. Same thing. But that's what it does. Yeah, they're giving your stuff to jailhouse informants. They are like, but the jail, the the stamps is the money on the yard, right? Matter of fact, what's the money on the yard?
SPEAKER_10What you mean?
SPEAKER_16Like, what like if y'all gamble, if you buy onions and bell peppers?
SPEAKER_10Kite, stuff like that.
SPEAKER_16Okay, cigarettes.
SPEAKER_10When I was up there, you know, that's when kite was popping. They had new purse and all that, but upstate kite was like a big thing.
SPEAKER_16But what about deuce? You ever tried deuce before? Deuce wasn't in the realm back then.
SPEAKER_10But it's oh no.
SPEAKER_12K2 K2 wasn't around back then. Was it back then? Was it not back then? What kind of drawers did they have? Did they have drugs upstate? Yeah, weed.
SPEAKER_10I don't know. See, they ain't really had it upstate.
SPEAKER_12What about was anybody making wine?
SPEAKER_10Nobody was making wine all big long.
SPEAKER_12Make it wine. That was your that was your twist, too.
SPEAKER_10I ain't never drinking all that old. You got a strain it, they didn't know what they was doing. I ain't want to do none of this. What I tried that white lightning? Mm-mm. They had like a party on State Road and they mixed like Dorsine. I don't even, I didn't even know what to do with it. Cinequine. And I slept for three days. I woke up like, what the fuck? Like, what's going on? What was in that? Like, what the fuck? I was so scared, y'all, because I was like, why was I asleep all this time? Like, what's wrong? I couldn't get up, I couldn't do nothing. I was like, I'm never drinking nothing again. I'm cool. What the fuck was that? Like, uh-uh.
SPEAKER_15I didn't like that, y'all. Wow, wow.
SPEAKER_10They was like, that's what they be taking at night. That's why they be falling asleep over there. Uh-uh.
SPEAKER_15Uh-uh.
SPEAKER_10They make good cool, some Kool-Aid, get some ice, and was giving it out like a like it was like there.
SPEAKER_12No, they had they had this thing, they had this thing, like, you know, they say, like, um, they asked this in the chat, like the like the sometime um the men and the women, so sometimes people just just be gay for the stay. You ever experienced anybody that just was gay in jail and they came home with street?
SPEAKER_10No, I don't know, because I was gay outside, so before I went in. So I did have a girlfriend in jail.
SPEAKER_12Oh wow. In jail too?
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_12Oh wow. So they asked that question there. Wow.
SPEAKER_10Oh yeah, I had a girlfriend.
SPEAKER_12And there, so uh did you fight while y' were y'all going through it in there?
SPEAKER_10I think we probably fought like twice.
SPEAKER_12And is this person home?
SPEAKER_10No, she probably locked up.
SPEAKER_12I'm saying does she know she ever get out?
SPEAKER_10Oh no, she probably locked up, but still I heard. Oh no.
SPEAKER_12Wow. And was she was she crying when you left?
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_12Wow. And it was this your celly or just somebody that you're talking about.
SPEAKER_10This one I was on State Road though.
SPEAKER_12On State Road?
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_12So what about upstate?
SPEAKER_10I had a girlfriend for like three months, but she was kinda crazy. So I was like, I'm gonna just do my bit and get out of here.
SPEAKER_12Why said she was crazy?
SPEAKER_10She wanted the truck, like I couldn't do nothing. What do you mean? She wanted me under her 24-7. I couldn't do nothing. Like nothing. Gotta be by her side the whole time. If I ain't doing nothing in your right under her, no.
SPEAKER_12See the chat, they wanted to hear that. So they're going crazy now. They were they about to go crazy after that.
SPEAKER_10Like, yeah, I had a girlfriend. See, don't they go crazy diet? I did have a girlfriend. Did she eat it? Yeah.
SPEAKER_12Mm-hmm. Say it again. I didn't hear it.
SPEAKER_10I said, yeah, we had fun.
SPEAKER_12See, people see a lot of times people don't want to go up here and talk about this type stuff that be going on inside the the prison walls.
SPEAKER_11It was okay.
SPEAKER_12But you know, so this person, now hold on. The the what the the the the uh the butch, what what does the butch get out of it? Dominance.
SPEAKER_16Pleasure of dominating they mate. Do they get do they get wet?
SPEAKER_10Yeah, they get wet. No, I'm saying some do like they like they stuff aid, but some don't. Most of them don't. So they really think they meant.
SPEAKER_12So what so so so if somebody does that to me, they'd be like, why you don't want it? No, I don't want that done. They just they cool. So how do they how do they get off?
SPEAKER_10What you mean? Bumpin' pussies? What do you mean?
SPEAKER_12Okay.
SPEAKER_10It's something that like they they do weird stuff, yeah.
unknownWow.
SPEAKER_10Like girl on girl.
SPEAKER_12So in in in in these uh facilities now, if if somebody gets caught doing that, y'all going to the hole.
SPEAKER_10Probably not in the county, but upstate, yeah.
SPEAKER_12You got court in that?
SPEAKER_10Did I get caught?
SPEAKER_16Yeah.
SPEAKER_10No.
SPEAKER_16Might have looked sneaky.
SPEAKER_10No, I ain't get caught.
SPEAKER_16Muddy was busting nut, you keeping it pushing. I ain't get core.
SPEAKER_10I was roommates with my girlfriend before, so we ain't get court.
SPEAKER_16Y'all know the camp times they come around, chill. We wait till that this camp. We got about four hours to ride. You know how I go. I know.
SPEAKER_10Or potentially what? We might be using the bare from we got not.
SPEAKER_16Yeah, they definitely, but some you got some police with the men, they'd be they'd rode you right in. No, they don't be tripping about none of that. They're bang, boom, boom, boom, boom. Open right now.
SPEAKER_10The freaks as they roll the nasty old heads that night. Yeah, we did.
SPEAKER_16They're walking by looking to see what's going on.
SPEAKER_10Girls be giving them shows.
SPEAKER_16Mm-hmm. Tell them what a show is, mother, because a lot of people don't know what what the what the statement a show is. What's a show?
SPEAKER_10Um, probably putting on like probably a bathing suit or something, and danks and for bathing suit? Probably. Like somehow make stuff, like somehow make stuff, or they be naked, anything. And he put his flashlight in and do count time, and she right there.
SPEAKER_12And he he's sitting there for extra two minutes. Like, yeah, I it it was on the floor right there. He's trying to see, he's trying to stand there as long as he can.
SPEAKER_10And he probably get her to get some tissue or something, knock off in the back. It was a lot of relationships on state rule.
SPEAKER_12So guards was hitting the girls in there.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. It was whole relationships on State Rule, yes. Yes.
SPEAKER_12So how how do so because they on the block, so how what did they? Could they come into the cell with the girl or or oh, it's corners of each gel.
SPEAKER_10And it's like a closet all the way in the back. Hammer really not back there. So all the tissue and all the cleaning supplies and stuff is.
SPEAKER_12Wow.
SPEAKER_10You got handout tissue. It's your day to get the tissue, so he already in there waiting. Yeah. He got unlocked the door, they got locked. He got unlocked the door and let it in there and watch her.
SPEAKER_12Wow. So is this why all the MH is like moving around or everybody locked down in their cell?
SPEAKER_10It might be going on, or it might be uh everybody down for counting or something. She's doing it.
SPEAKER_16Quick, quick, quick little break, man. It's uh 300 people in the chat, right? 300 people, and I don't understand why do we have to address this every day. Because, you know, I'm I'm thinking that we're we're we're bringing you real live content from real live people that went through the trials and tribulation of the penal system. Why do we have to tell you guys to pick hit the like button? Why? It's free to do that. You could do that shit sleep by accident.
SPEAKER_10Hit the like button, yo.
SPEAKER_16Like, god damn. Like, because I'm I'm I'm gonna tell you it's gonna be a couple days, you're gonna be like, well, where the hell is black at? I'm you, I bet you like that. If you don't like nothing else, your ass won't like that. Come on, man, hit that like button. There's 300 people in the chat and it's 83 likes. Come on, man. It's somebody either newsy as shit, just wanting to see where we're going at with it, or just straight up hating, man.
SPEAKER_12Come on, man. I got a question. Um, so when you're choosing a mate like in in jail, is this is you choosing the one that looked like the boy the most, or is it gotta or is it uh a woman as well?
SPEAKER_10The boy, yeah.
SPEAKER_12So gotta be a book. Some tattoos.
SPEAKER_10Come on.
SPEAKER_12Push-ups and all that working out. Like they could fight a little bit. Wow. And then uh so these people that come home, like when you have when you have a relationship with some with someone in jail, um, can you see yourself being in a relationship with them when they come home too?
SPEAKER_10No.
SPEAKER_12Why did you just with jail? Wow. So see, because it's it's real interesting because a lot of times, you know, people come home and they still be friends, because y'all y'all obviously have a relationship.
SPEAKER_10Y'all built a I'm still cool with some of them that I was dealing with, but it ain't nothing like they I wouldn't even mess with them now.
SPEAKER_12And was they from Philly or like other places? Yeah. Okay, cool. Now let's get to you, you know, um coming home um from jail and getting out.
SPEAKER_10It felt good. Um I probably cried on the expressway probably like two times. Um my cousin came and got me. Shout out, booby. Um got me. She was like, You wanna drive? I was like, No, can I just enjoy the ride? Like, can I just enjoy the ride? I just was thinking like what I'm about to do, what I gotta do. Um my next move.
SPEAKER_12Well, well, you you got a lot of tattoos. Any of those tattoos, jailhouse tattoos?
SPEAKER_11Uh huh.
SPEAKER_12You got a lot of tattoos. Is any of those those tattoos jail house tattoos?
SPEAKER_11No.
SPEAKER_12Because he said that he said some of the best artists is in jail, the tattoo artists are inside prison.
SPEAKER_10I got a girl named from prison.
SPEAKER_12I hear you say it again.
SPEAKER_10I got a girl right here.
SPEAKER_12Oh, you got a name tattooed on you while you while you was in jail?
SPEAKER_10Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_12Oh, wow. So this person that's name tattooed on you, not you, you wouldn't see yourself dealing with them on the streets? No. What made you do that in jail? Using love.
SPEAKER_16Love. Love. I know she was like, that's my bitch. You see that walking around here right there. I know she was. Big dog up in the building. I already know. I thought you know, you know, those butches act more like how you, and this is nothing towards the LGBT community, whether you're man or woman, but you ever noticed, mother, that uh homosexual men, men, they act more feminine than women. Girl, right? And I'm like, damn, my chick don't even act like that. Same thing with a butch. Urg, men don't act like that. Get your ass out of here. Men ain't we ain't scared of you. You know what I mean? But they overdo it. So I can imagine, and you're a pretty woman, extremely pretty. Thank you. For you to get that teddy and be walking around. I know he well, he's seeing that motherfucker, like, yeah, what's up? That be me right there. You mean? Come on, you sit there laughing, telling something.
SPEAKER_10No, this was gonna stay rule, though. This was gonna stay rule.
SPEAKER_12So you was in stay rolling for 15 months and you and then you got you fell in love 15 months.
SPEAKER_16Yeah, it took a day. Don't let her be in that cell and look at a white white or white, love me. Talk about something 15 months. That's too long. You probably be in a full-blooded relationship in 15 months.
SPEAKER_10No, I was chilling upstate though. I ain't do nothing upstate though.
SPEAKER_16Mother.
SPEAKER_10I had a girlfriend. We couldn't. You know they don't play that upstate.
SPEAKER_16But y'all can sneak.
SPEAKER_10I'm not going to the hole. Dude, you know how long the hole is. Yeah, you know how long 90 days. I couldn't even do 30. You think I'm gonna do 90?
unknownWhat?
SPEAKER_10No, I was scared in the county. Yes, I had fun, but upstate, no. I was chilling. I was scared.
SPEAKER_12But like you said, but they they the count time, they come around, you got no upstate up upstate hole is different from the county hole. No, but I'm saying you you and your cell, you got time, right? But you probably ain't got it as a celly. That's really hard if that ain't your celly. That was your celly? Uh why ain't they why why y'all ain't choose to be cellys?
SPEAKER_10It was not gonna work. We was gonna argue at time, it wasn't gonna work. Yeah, I'm gonna fight. Yeah.
SPEAKER_12Oh yeah. Wow.
SPEAKER_10I think I was Sellys with a team of fight for like six months.
SPEAKER_12That's what that was the that was the person's name?
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_12From the city?
SPEAKER_10Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_12Wow. You saying names up here, huh?
SPEAKER_10We okay? We already got no beef. Yeah, she home.
SPEAKER_12Okay. So, um, but now you said you come home and get the they got that ride, the that that that drive. You ain't want to drive, you just want to just relax and just and just take the ride home. That ride home, what's that? Like a two-hour ride?
SPEAKER_10No, eight and a half.
SPEAKER_12Damn.
SPEAKER_10I was up Cambridge Springs.
SPEAKER_12Oh, you wasn't at Muncie no more. You was at Cameron?
SPEAKER_10No. My level got dropped, and they sent you to Cambridge Springs when your level dropped.
SPEAKER_16Is that up there like Boston or some shit like that?
SPEAKER_10That's near like Canada. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_16Maine and all that. Yeah, exactly. Yep, Cambridge. That's up there near Ray Brook. That's a federal prison for uh feds.
SPEAKER_12Wow. So eight hours, I'm assuming y'all had y'all had y'all stopped and stay at a hotel and No, we drove.
SPEAKER_10We got something to eat and we was out.
SPEAKER_12Eight hours?
SPEAKER_10Yeah. Yeah. I told you it was like nine o'clock, ten o'clock.
SPEAKER_12In the morning.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, so yeah, you you yeah, you get home around like seven, eight, six, seven, eight, somewhere around there. And you um now when you got to the city after doing that that little stint, was anything different when you got out? Mm-hmm. After doing that after doing that time, was anything different when you got out? Was anything like you saw, you know, Lancaster Avenue and was like, damn, this ain't it's different, it looked different now.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, everything looked different. A lot of stuff looked different.
SPEAKER_12What was the most um, you know, or what was the most difficult thing for you to adjust to coming home?
SPEAKER_10A job. Because when I was locked when before I got locked up, I was in Harris School to business going to be an assistant, a nurse assistant. And I got locked up. So if I was to get that job, I might get a not get appropriate for because I got a felony, I got a charge.
SPEAKER_00Wow.
SPEAKER_10I'm just being able to get it to sponge disponed pri this this year.
SPEAKER_16This year?
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_16How long that been since 2000?
SPEAKER_10I came home 2018.
SPEAKER_16That's why I like to tell people, man, you do time twice. Once you do time inside the penal system and serve your debt to society and come home, you're still doing time, man, because of so many roadblocks being UA. And I was cool when I first came home because my case was over 20 years ago. And I could have got employee probably from anybody because don't it don't even pop up. All right. It was so long ago. But with my violation, I kept, you know, dumb shit, whatever. I made up to it. And, you know, it was a light little stint, violation, gun charge. But that is so large on my name now that when I go everywhere, they be like, oh yeah, you got any cases? We don't trip about cake, but the new shit, they be they be on that. Yeah. So it's like you actually still doing time because you can't get an appointment. And I get it. I get it. Because I don't want you working in my place of business and I see on your record you rob banks. Why am I want you in my establishment? So I get that too, but where is the where is the point where, okay, we're gonna see if this motherfucker learned this lesson that yeah. Because there's a lot of people that I was in the halfway houses with and RDAP with, and them dudes is getting out, and them dudes want work. They're trying to get work, but they gotta go through. If they don't know nobody or God connects, you shit out of luck, man. You shit out of luck, man. If you don't know nobody, got no friend that in good places you did to the world, man. Then I see. Why most people, I see why there's a revolving door, wish it wasn't, but I see nobody wanna sit out this joint, broke, man. And there's only so much time before you. I mean your patience run out. Don't then God forbid you have don't you have kids and you are actually a parent that wants to be involved, push you right to the brink of hell, man.
SPEAKER_12Hey, listen, y'all make sure y'all hit that like button, man. Hit the like buttons, you know, help the podcast get up into the algorithm. Thank y'all. Um, also, this uh podcast is sponsored by TNS Licensing and Consulting. Start your business today. Contact TNS Licensing and Consulting. Also, they can help you start a home care agency. Home care agency is it's a billion-dollar industry. I mean billion with a B. Start your home care agency today, 267-534-5053. 267-534-5053. Um, question from the chat. Now, do you see yourself being in a relationship with a with a with a um getting married to a man?
SPEAKER_10Yes.
SPEAKER_12Okay.
SPEAKER_16But what is that question about come about? She ain't never said she was gay. No, I'm just saying, you just asked great. You said you see it. She said that man, like, I'm a lesbian and I love cold cold all day. But no, but where's that question coming from, though? Like, people want to chat want to know. Like, what are intrigued me to ask the question? Like, where did that just come from? Like, do you see yourself being in a relationship or marrying a man? She didn't say nothing about it.
SPEAKER_12But what I'm saying, I I never I didn't, I she said she said before she went in, she had a girlfriend and she got one when she was in there. So I'm saying, so you would see yourself being married to a man. Yes. Okay. All right, it's a simple question. Why why are you taking it?
SPEAKER_15Like, no, I'm just saying, no, I'm I'm just saying you you go ahead, man.
SPEAKER_12Jay, James the flames. Shout out to you, man. But listen, so but I'm asking the question. So would you would you would you um consider yourself, you know, um a person that's like go by both ways? Like you you male and male and female.
SPEAKER_10No, I'm over the girl.
SPEAKER_12You over it?
SPEAKER_10I was young, I was going through a phase.
SPEAKER_16I know a couple women like that myself. Yeah. They'd be like, yeah, that's over with. They say girls is too bitchy, too emotional. Like, I I'm already this way, so I don't want to be around that in a committed relationship. Yeah, so I get it.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, I understand. Um, so now you're home now, and then you said the you know, the biggest transition was getting a job. Trying to, you know, go through all that. Um, how many jobs have you had since you've been home?
SPEAKER_10No, I got my first job at Roxboro at Popeye's. I worked there for six months.
SPEAKER_12Shout out to Popeye's, gotta start somewhere.
SPEAKER_10Um, I started working there for like six months, got me an apartment, got me a little car.
SPEAKER_12Mm-hmm. Making it.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, do what you gotta do. I mean, I respect that. And and now I'm I'm assuming you moved on from Popeye's, you know, you know, doing doing bigger and better things, you know, not on duty. Uh they're gonna say you ain't saying not on duty, but you doing bigger and better things. What's what's some of the things that you take into consideration before you, or I'm actually this do you ever think about breaking law or or you know, firing that firearm again?
SPEAKER_10I be chilling.
SPEAKER_12Do you see yourself going back to jail?
SPEAKER_10No.
SPEAKER_12Not at all. No, not at all.
SPEAKER_10No.
SPEAKER_12All right, but she's not gonna be able to do it.
SPEAKER_10No, no, other than that, no. I be chilling. I like my peace. I learned a lot from that. A lot. It changed my life. I felt like if I didn't go to jail, I probably be dead or probably still in jail or something. I don't know. I feel like Jane jail changed me a lot.
SPEAKER_16Wow. So you think that jail is a deterrent?
SPEAKER_10You think that Yeah, I ain't never going big deal. You can't pay me to go to big.
SPEAKER_16Yeah, I I feel like that too.
SPEAKER_10No.
SPEAKER_16To a certain extent.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, like I said to protect myself, yeah. But yeah.
SPEAKER_12Yo, I should say you want some Popeyes now. So, you know, a lot a lot of times people come home and they don't have the support that they need. Uh, what's the most important thing I was that you would say a person who's uh done time that they would need when they came home? You can choose one thing.
SPEAKER_10Support it, be around love. But I ain't went there, I'm not gonna lie, I really didn't.
SPEAKER_12What you want to be by yourself?
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_12Why?
SPEAKER_10Because I did my time by myself. What I need to be around people for, because I'm here and they don't know.
SPEAKER_12But it wasn't the people that was trying to help you get in your corner and so forth and so on I wanted to be a part of what you got going on. Wow. Cause I I I can see why you feel that way, because you you went to jail.
SPEAKER_10I did start hanging back around certain people though. The ones that maybe I changed, maybe they changed, yeah. People that I went back and being friends with, yes. I was their friend again.
SPEAKER_12How's that conversation? When you know, like you know that person betrayed you or didn't look out for you while you was in jail. How did you how how did how did that conversation go? What did you say to them?
SPEAKER_10I told you when I first came home, they always at my sister's house. Everybody was like at my sister's house.
SPEAKER_12And then my sister came out of the house. You ain't send me a dime. You ain't send me a dom. You ain't answered the phone, all that stuff.
SPEAKER_10No, no, I no.
SPEAKER_12You ain't say none of that to them. It was just all hugs and kisses. Teeth and palms, like uh, what's called say I guess sometimes you gotta just let bygones be bygones. So, you know, I know we speak of we ask you this question, but you said you said support is the most important thing that people need uh when they're coming home. Um but you didn't want the support, you wanted to just figure it out on your own. But you had to get support from somewhere to learn how to get a job and do certain sorts.
SPEAKER_10Wow, I already knew how to get a job. I was 23 when I got locked up. I knew how to get a job, find a job, but it was just hard to get certain jobs that I really wanted because of my background.
SPEAKER_12Okay. Wow. Because, you know, we always talk about this too. It's because a lot of people that's come home from jail, and like, you know, um, like he just mentioned, he came home, he was his old case was like free and clear. They didn't have any, they couldn't even pull the old case up because it was so long ago. He quit another case, and now every time he goes to apply for a job or something like that, it shows up. Um that can be discouraging to people who don't have support. So support is important. I'm assuming that you can't, if you can't get a job, but you don't have support, you might end up going back to doing the same thing or doing something even worse to get yourself more time.
SPEAKER_10It just happened to me recently. I just did the whole thing. I did the test, I passed the test, I did the urine, I did everything. Everything. And then when my and they make you think you're gonna do it, don't they? It was like, you're charged, we can't um can't be here.
SPEAKER_12Got you running all around the city taking urines. Oh my god, the PPD test.
SPEAKER_16You know it.
SPEAKER_12You know first. Like, I'm like, you got this Joel Fit. Give me the job. I ain't gonna lie, because I had to do that too. I had to like had I did it a few times, but now I told my staff, like, listen, you gotta start screaming people because that's not cool, because people doing all this work running all around. I because I because it was it was a it was a girl one time, I don't want to say her name, but she came for a job. And um, she's coming, she came to the job to the she wanted a job so bad, she came to the interview with her with her with her baby. So I couldn't find a babysitter, boom, boom, and she went and did everything she had to do, but she had a a criminal history, and and in the state down allowed people to be certain caregivers and so forth and so on. And I remember I remember her crying in the office. I'm like, dang. And and and it's like I nothing I can do. And I'm and I remember her coming in with a kid, I even held her, held her, held the baby or whatever while she was in the interview.
SPEAKER_10Imagine working at the art museum for six months, and they finally called you to the office because you got approved for a different position. Then they like, oh, we have to let you go because of your background. Why you ain't been doing my background six months ago? Wow.
SPEAKER_12So if they didn't apply for the other position, they wouldn't even No, and it still came up.
SPEAKER_10It would have still came up, but yeah, it took six months.
SPEAKER_16My man, I had a homie like that. Got two years in on a job. Two gears. Crush me. Came through. Like, you wouldn't see he thinks it was a raise. He was like, Yeah, we letting you go.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_16So this came up, we didn't even.
SPEAKER_10I went to go clock in.
SPEAKER_16Mm-hmm. And they said you're not gonna be.
SPEAKER_10And I was like, no. So I wind up getting another job and I got a better position. So everything worked out though.
SPEAKER_12Wow. Yeah, I felt bad about that situation now. Cause I because I, you know, and I'll be seeing him when he goes, he get the uh, you know, he get the rejection, the matumbo from God.
SPEAKER_10He can't even uh maybe doing as their deep.
SPEAKER_16That's very discouraging. For me anyway.
SPEAKER_10Me too.
SPEAKER_16I don't know about can't speak for somebody, some people might, you just keep going, any door you go to, go, go. And it's like, damn. But then I get mad at myself. I get mad at myself, but then it didn't be like, damn, if I had this dumb ass case, I'd have been in.
SPEAKER_10But then I'll be like, It is, but it is for me.
SPEAKER_12The way I look at it too, though, I just look at it like, you know, I say that uh maybe that that job wasn't for you. So you gotta keep pushing. It might be something later on down, just keep pushing. Because maybe something down the road, you can't sit there and and shed too many tears. It's okay to cry about it if you're gonna cry about it, but it's you can't you gotta keep moving because it may be another job or something, another opportunity down the line for you.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, I was watching paintings. I was happy. I was a manager in my new job. So yes, I was happy. Yeah, it ain't do nothing but give me a better job.
SPEAKER_12Wow. Wow. So what advice do you got for you know any young lady, you know, that's coming home from jail, that's that's uh serving, you know, that served a substantial amount of time and you know not even substantial, just was in jail. Yeah, was in jail, period. And they came home and then they're trying to figure it out. What advice would you give to them?
SPEAKER_10That's trying to find a job.
SPEAKER_12Just trying to figure life out. Just period. Couple days from jail. You know, whatever.
SPEAKER_10Talk, ask for help. Because we won't ex. I know I have a pride issue. I won't ex. Like I feel like I don't know that's something that I I certain people I'll ex if I really need help or something, but um don't give up. Keep going. I'm still when I'm I've been home almost 11 years and I'm still trying to run my own business and still give it keep a good job. But it's going to happen. You're gonna be alright. Um don't give up. Um stick to your routine. I don't care if you gotta take a walk in the park, take a walk, um join some yoga classes. I don't know if you like working out, work out. Um, but take some time to yourself. I like to take time to myself. I journal.
SPEAKER_16Um time to yourself is needed. Yeah, that's what I think too.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. Um, I don't know. I'm such a private person now. I don't know. I just I'm private. I don't know. I'm not like a person that won't be around a bunch of people no more since they happen. I love being around my family. I'll go to the family functions, but I like being with myself.
SPEAKER_16I like I'm like that too. This guy tries to get me to get up and go out. Let's go to the game. Listen, I don't care about that, bro. That don't make me know, never mind. And I'm not, and I'm not a bad person because when you get around me, people like actually enjoy my company. But that's the way I'm an introverted.
SPEAKER_09Me.
SPEAKER_16I used to be an extroverted, I would. Me too. Me too. But now prison has turned me into I just want to be around my people. Is there something wrong with that, mother? No, I don't know. I wouldn't think so anyway.
SPEAKER_10No, that's me. That's me.
SPEAKER_12Nobody get to these to these to these uh these calls now. You better take some calls? Yes. You gotta put your phone. I don't want to mess up your um.
SPEAKER_13It's okay. Or hello but you can hear.
SPEAKER_12Yo, let me help you. You got it? There you go. Yeah, uh, so y'all, y'all wanna take uh y'all ask ask uh mothers some questions, man. It's uh two one five three one six four four nine two. Two one five three one six four four nine two. You know, um thank you. Tell us the jails we speaking to. You still don't mind? No, I can't hear him. You got you gotta you gotta uh adjust it. Hey yo, we talking about man What you talking about, man? People was crazy in the chat today, man. I I love y'all, man. Yo, man. This is why I love doing this, man. It's it's fun every day to be able to you know interact with you know family. You know. Yo, you bop 215, what we talking about, man? Are we looking with the phone? Is it not connected? No, no, I don't hear. Everything is up. So um we guess we'll talk to what we finally we got a little technical issue with the phone, we can work on that, or we can see we can fix that. Well, um for us, you know, being here, you know, when the podcast, like I said, last time you came on the podcast, we had a hell of an interview, but we never got to release it. Oh, there I can hear it now, Tofi. Um, we never was able to release the uh because we went through a change. There we go. Tell us from the jails we're speaking to. Please turn TV down if you can.
SPEAKER_06Uh hey, what's up? Uh I'll I'll fuck I'll fuck with you.
SPEAKER_12Turn your TV now if you can. If you turn the TV now, quit and say what you gotta say here. Okay and take us off speakerphone. Yeah, take us off speakerphone, please, if you could. Okay.
SPEAKER_06Uh I'll fuck with y'all. Appreciate that. I'm from Wimmington, Delaware.
SPEAKER_12Shout out to Woman.
SPEAKER_06Y'all helped me get through work. I'll be listening to you all the time. I like, I like y'all shit. Black, you funny as shit. My boy's gonna hear this at work. We're gonna be geeking when we hear this shit, but keep doing your thing.
SPEAKER_12I appreciate that. Appreciate it, man.
SPEAKER_16Thank you, man. Be safe and stay free.
SPEAKER_09See ya.
SPEAKER_06Yep, yep, yep.
SPEAKER_12Y'all still you got a question for um motors?
SPEAKER_06Um, you got any advice for or just people just because my cousin lock locked up right now. Yeah, like you got any advice for like people coming, he better come home. You got any advice for for him basically coming home?
SPEAKER_10Um is he coming straight home? He's going to the halfway house.
SPEAKER_06Like, no, he's coming straight home.
SPEAKER_10Um, find the job.
SPEAKER_12Stay with the deuce.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, just stay focused. Um, it's gonna be a little hard. Um, just keep fighting, don't give up. Tell him he's gonna be okay. Just keep going.
SPEAKER_05Oh, okay. I appreciate that. I appreciate it. He's trying to rap and shit, so we're gonna just see how that goes.
SPEAKER_10Don't give up, keep pushing. Start some videos, do some videos. Um, take care of it.
SPEAKER_06I appreciate y'all so much.
SPEAKER_12All right, thanks, man. Enjoy your day, bro. You too.
SPEAKER_10Oh, they love y'all.
SPEAKER_12Huh?
SPEAKER_10Oh, they love y'all.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, man, the podcast is coming a long way, man. Thanks to the people and the fans, and you know, uh, also thanks to you know, uh him, Black. You may get on my nerves, but everybody that's involved, the staff here working. Tell us Mr. Jill, so we're speaking with uh Neve, how you doing?
SPEAKER_04Salam Allegro.
SPEAKER_12Thanks, man. What's up, Neve? What's going on? You calling from, bro?
SPEAKER_04What's going on, man? I got a question for you. Uh man, you can you you be having some dope is all, man. I'm from Nasda, Tennessee, man. We ain't got no ear is line calling line down here, man. And uh, I'm wondering if you can do a tutorial one day, man, in your free time on how to wrap an ear. And I got a question for black about his eagles, man. Uh oh, oh, oh. If you were in the prime, will you take Michael Vick, Don McNabb, or Randy Cunningham for your quarterback?
SPEAKER_16Michael Vick in the prime. Michael Vick. Michael Vick, I gotta go Michael Vick in the prime. After that, it'd be Don uh uh Randall Cunningham, and after that, that bum ass nigga McNabb. Matter of fact, I ain't even picking him.
SPEAKER_12Yo, Mc McNabb, McNabb got us to the legacy salam, man.
SPEAKER_04I gotta get back to work, man.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, uh McNabb, McNabb, he he choked in the Super Bowl, but McNabb was pretty good for us for a while. Um, but yeah, um, what I was saying, I was saying that um damn, I forgot what I was saying. But however, you know, uh, oh yeah, the people that helped us with the with the podcast, well, that support the podcast, as you can see, our podcast has I got a lot further since the last time we was up here, um, due to the hard work between me and him putting a lot of work in. First, Brother Christopher putting a lot of work in, and then um, you know, young guys coming in and helping us out with a lot of things and behind the scenes and our fan base. Tell us from the jails we're speaking to.
SPEAKER_18We're talking to Muhammad from Maryland.
SPEAKER_12What's up, Muhammad? Shout out to Maryland. What's up, bro?
SPEAKER_18What's up? But I got a question, though. My main question, why is that one?
SPEAKER_12It's probably it's probably because you're gonna take it off a speakerphone or turn the TV down.
SPEAKER_18I only got y'all on the TV or on a speaker. I can hear you now. Go ahead. Uh but my main question is why how you how you ain't I don't want it to sound like that, but like how you ain't get caught. You used to kick it with black, right? And black got caught up in Rico. So I'm trying to figure out like how like ain't a Rico, like, you know, they writing people names down, they've been paying attention to y'all for a while.
SPEAKER_12No, it wasn't it wasn't a Rico, it was just, you know, it was it was just an indictment, federal indictment.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, so I mean, you know, thanks to you know, some good guys who didn't tell and say certain things, yeah, you know, uh it worked out in our favor. So, you know, and I'm not the only one. We had other guys out here that did that didn't get indicted as well. So uh due to you know our guys being able to be able to keep their mouth shut and I say certain things, we was able to uh be able to be out here and make sure that we held it down for them uh while they was in there. Yeah. All right, salute to y'all, so I thank you for it. All right, wait, I appreciate you, bro. Tell from the jails, we speaking with.
SPEAKER_13Hey, what's up? This is black.
SPEAKER_01Hey, black.
SPEAKER_12Hey, what's up, black? Where you calling from, bro?
SPEAKER_13What's up, North Philly? What's up, Feek? What's up, Black? Yep. Hey, hey, hey, mothers. I just want to say I'm proud of you. This black that used to be with Ann Worm.
SPEAKER_10Hey, hey, hi.
SPEAKER_13How you doing?
SPEAKER_10Good.
SPEAKER_13All right, that's what's up. I just want to say how to you know, proud of you, baby. Keep doing what you're doing.
SPEAKER_10Thank you.
SPEAKER_12All right, peace. Alright, man. Joey Day, bro. Tell us to the jails. We speaking with what's going on.
SPEAKER_03It's G.
SPEAKER_12This who's up, G, where you calling from?
SPEAKER_03From our from our what?
SPEAKER_12What's up, man?
SPEAKER_03What's going on? I had a question for mother. Yes. I wanted to ask you, like, you had kids. Uh I wasn't like dealing with not being here while you wasn't. I was that shit.
SPEAKER_10Oh, I don't have no kids.
SPEAKER_03Okay. And how you think it was like for other women?
SPEAKER_10It's very hard.
SPEAKER_03Being in prison and having children.
SPEAKER_10It's very hard. Not seeing your child every day. Um, wondering what your child is doing and stuff like that. I'm just locked up with a lot of people that couldn't get their kids or their kids with some with somebody else. It's very hard.
SPEAKER_03Can imagine.
SPEAKER_10That's why I be out here trying to speak, because I want these girls to know that in a blink of an eye, you can lose everything in 3.5 seconds doing the wrong thing at the wrong time, hanging with the wrong people and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_03Facts. I appreciate it. Black, I fuck with you, man. My family from our uh round yard wedding show on Brooklyn Street. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's Cindy.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, that's my sissy.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's my folks. That's my folks.
SPEAKER_12Okay, cool, man. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. You related to related to y'all? Tell us to the jails we speaking with. Hung up. Okay. So yeah, man, like I was saying, uh oh, this phone line is is uh they want to talk to you. Tell us to the jails we speaking with.
SPEAKER_02Hey, this is this tune from West Foolie.
SPEAKER_12What's up, bro? Shout out to West Fully.
SPEAKER_02I ain't really got a question, I just got something to say.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_02Is people in jail, like they uh uh not deal with people that then hold them, they feel like they're holding down, send them money and stuff like that. And I'm one of them guys I got homies that I might not send money to in jail. But I do when I got I ain't here, you said it again.
SPEAKER_12So you got you say you do when you got what?
SPEAKER_02Like when I got time, like I talk to homies in jail, and they'll only hit you up when they need something. And you might send it, you might send it or you might not send it, but you ain't sending it because life goes on. And when they'll call you, hit you up about it, they'll get mad. You ain't got it at the time, but it's like, damn, you should have called me at that time. I forgot. But life goes on. And it they'll get, but I got none but love for you outside, do whatever for you. But in jail, they just call you, blow you up, you got word, they get mad, think you ignoring them. People in jail burn these bridges.
SPEAKER_12I for like not everybody. Some people do though. Like this new this new thing they got with this uh like I told my guys know the guys in jail, stop calling me, asking me to send cash apps, man. Like, you know, like that's that's a red flag. You tell me you send cash cash app to somebody, that means you're getting high.
SPEAKER_10Only JP.
SPEAKER_12Something like that. Like, yeah, yeah. So I don't do that cash app anymore. But yeah, man, thanks for the call, man. Appreciate it, man. Enjoy your night, bro.
SPEAKER_01I appreciate y'all. Yeah.
SPEAKER_12Tell us from the jails.
SPEAKER_07We speaking with what's up, guys? Uh Cliff from the P.
SPEAKER_12What's up, Cliff?
SPEAKER_07Hey Cliff.
SPEAKER_12From the P. What's up, man?
SPEAKER_07What's up, motors? Hey. Hey, Cliff. Yo, your name ring bells in the city. Because uh, as far as South Philly, I heard your name all my all my childhood.
SPEAKER_10I got a little love for South Philly. I was down South Philly. Got cousin.
SPEAKER_07My cousin Chrissy always speaks of you.
SPEAKER_10Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_07Okay, uh, yo, man, you be bugging, man. You be laughing. You be talking about the tin pot of black. Tell her about the Fifi. Tell them about the Fifi.
SPEAKER_16What Fifi? Well, what is up to you? You know what the Fifi is? Yeah, I know what a Fifi is, but what you mean tell them about the Fifi? I don't know if he knows about that. Like, that's the things we make in jail. Oh, yeah, he knows about that. We talked about that on previous episodes. But the Fifi uh don't have nothing on my bad bitches. I got two bad bitches that never cheat. They don't get diseases, and they beat niggas and bitches up. And that's Hannah and Pommelina. They go real hard in the paint. Oh. I'm waiting on another.
SPEAKER_07I'm waiting on the live event.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, it's gonna be uh October.
SPEAKER_07No, the one you're gonna you say today was supposed to come.
SPEAKER_12Oh, yeah, it's gonna be available for members after the show, I believe. I should have it.
SPEAKER_07All right, I'm waiting on that, John. We were looking, but we was there, we want to see it.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, it'll be available, man. I got you. We we're working on it. We're working on it, man. Because it's a lot of content that go along with that. So it's gonna be it's gonna be when it's when it's when it's uh delivered to y'all, that the video delivered to y'all, y'all. It's gonna be special, trust me.
SPEAKER_07Yo, love you guys. You guys have a great night. Appreciate you, man. All right, mother, have a good one, ladies.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, we're working on that now, y'all. So we're trying to get it, get it done. It's a lot of footage, a lot of cont a lot of content. Tell us from the jails, we speaking with what's going on.
SPEAKER_17This is Hank from Jersey.
SPEAKER_12What's up, Hank?
SPEAKER_17What's going on? I was gonna say, uh, I got a question for Black real quick. What's going on? Right. If you if you if you go to the feds and say you super on your dean and you just trying to do the right thing or whatever, but I know you gotta like join the car rather you from Philly or Jersey or something.
SPEAKER_16You don't have to join. You don't have to join the car though. You don't have to, but go ahead.
SPEAKER_17Oh, all right. I was gonna say if anybody from your city or something get into it, can you just chill because you just trying to do the right thing or you're gonna look down upon?
SPEAKER_16No, you're not gonna look good, be looked down upon. If you get into something, ain't nobody gonna be there for you. Oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_17I was gonna ask you, so you seen the thing about the uh CEO at Fort Dicks?
SPEAKER_16Yeah, I was I was we're gonna talk about it today, but we had a we have a guest up here, Miss Uh Miss Mudders. Uh, we're gonna get into that tomorrow. That that's crazy if Fort Dicks will just uh transpire.
SPEAKER_17Yeah, every time I see some little stuff on Instagram prison, I always tag y'all in it. Thank you.
SPEAKER_16I that's where I got it from from you. Yep, I seen it. What's the day? No, uh somebody was having sex with a guard. Oh, okay. You got caught. Uh-huh. Oh, we'll talk about the I tagged you in a lock in the sock video, too. Yeah, I got all that, man. Thank you. Thank you, man. Shout out to you, man. You keep me well informed. All right. I appreciate y'all.
SPEAKER_12Yep, you be safe and stay free, homie. Thanks, bro. Uh I think I'm gonna run with that fake springer uh title. I think I'm I'm thinking I'm running with that. Shout out to everybody in the chat with the fake springer. I might have to use that as a but this is like this. I'm asking real questions, man. That y'all wanted to hear. Y'all in the chat at Jim Beyond asked questions. I don't do to ask questions, man. So it's like I won't ask these questions. So more than it's like, you know, for you, like um you know, I know you said you're working, you got stuff going on, and you know, outside of your work, what is it that you that you're doing? That's uh, you know.
SPEAKER_10For my free time.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, what are you doing?
SPEAKER_10I'm a great aunt, yo. I love my niece and nephew. My brother got eight, and my sister got two.
SPEAKER_12Your brother got eight kids?
SPEAKER_10The youngest is one.
SPEAKER_12How old is he?
SPEAKER_10My brother, yeah, 42. They married.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's still getting it in, you still like me having them babies.
SPEAKER_10They married the youngest is one, but the oldest is like 18. I be doing stuff with the kids. I ain't doing stuff, you know, my own stuff, but I be with the kids a lot. I don't go out, I don't do none of that. I take them swimming, we might go to the park, we might walk in the park. I just do stuff with the kids. Hang with my mom, go see my dad.
SPEAKER_12Where can people find you at? Where can they like uh get you uh get contact with you? Like online.
SPEAKER_10Mother Love on Instagram. Uh my business page is also Mother V Sing.
SPEAKER_12Say it again.
SPEAKER_10Mother V Sing.
SPEAKER_12Oh, Mother V Sing. Spell it out for me, they might not be able to spell it.
SPEAKER_10M-U-D-D-A-B-S-A-T-E-M. Like V Sing.
SPEAKER_12What y'all plan today, young?
SPEAKER_16Hand an empowerment leader? No, I don't know. Not that uh that's probably later on tonight. But uh crazy as shit.
SPEAKER_08Hey, doesn't it from north? I don't really have a question.
SPEAKER_12Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_08I just want to tell my best that I love her so much and keep up the good work.
SPEAKER_10I love you too, best.
SPEAKER_12Uh shout out to you.
SPEAKER_10I love you, Tonya Brahman.
SPEAKER_12Thank you. She was talking to you or me. Me. Oh. That's about the big show. But uh, yeah, so um ask this question all the time. So I know you might not you might not have any children, but you may have a significant other out there. The phone lines is popping today. Tell us the gel is we speaking with.
SPEAKER_08Hey, I saw Mike. This uh on a mirror. Um, not gonna lie. This is maybe like my second time looking at you guys. Um, some sister, I know her husband was on there, but also my husband always written about Tels Majell.
SPEAKER_00Appreciate that.
SPEAKER_08Um, so I I really don't have a question. It's especially based on what mother has said about coming home and trying to get um acclimated back into the society. Um so I was going to CCP and I did my internship with this Michelle. Um she's a shot, um, and she has every entry program. Now, before I started with her, I was very biased. Sorry, my kids.
SPEAKER_00Can you you still there?
SPEAKER_08I'm I'm sorry. Don't worry about the kids.
SPEAKER_12Uh worry about it.
SPEAKER_08I was so biased, I'm not gonna lie, I was biased uh for female prisoners and male prisoners for for personal reasons. However, after working hard and we did the assimilation for men and women coming home from prison, my whole perspective changed. And shout out to all y'all that really come home and do your thing because it's very hard coming home. Some some folks need IDs that can't get it, some folks need route home, don't have money to come, or people can't come get them. Some people gotta come straight from jail, go straight to child support, don't have the money, go straight back to jail. So it's like the system is set up really taught a lot of you guys. Um, but yeah, shout out to y'all that's doing your thing. Thank you. Shout out to mothers, thank you, Dinger.
SPEAKER_09Thank you.
SPEAKER_08Thank you.
SPEAKER_09I enjoyed your story. Thank you.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, so um once again, mothers. Can you um tell them because uh people's accent, they didn't, they didn't catch it. Your um your IG you tell them what it is again. They want to follow you.
SPEAKER_10Spell it out for Mudda M-U-D-D-A, Love L-O-V-E. My business page is Mudda M-U-D-D-A, B steam, B S T E M.
SPEAKER_12That's B is in Boy or V is in Victor.
SPEAKER_10B as in Victoria's Secret.
SPEAKER_12Okay. The ones you want you put on before you went to turn yourself in, right?
SPEAKER_10Yes.
SPEAKER_12All right.
SPEAKER_16So listen, y'all, got thing you want to say before you get out of you before you get the uh hand of Pommelina? Stay free. Stay free and think about it, man. It only takes three seconds to ruin your life or to save your life, man. That's all I ask you, man. You know, again, we're not up here commanding you and forcing you to do nothing. We up here bringing you real live stories, real life people that went through these stories. And if you choose to do that, stand on business and keep your mouth shut.
SPEAKER_12And listen, I just want to say, uh, I want to give a shout out to uh Tarfeek, and I'll get a shout out to uh Cotty with the body, nephew Cottie. And what's your sister's name?
SPEAKER_10Dion.
SPEAKER_12Shout out to Dion over there, you know, uh gambling on her phone online, and um shout out to you, young as well. I just want to tell everybody to stay free, stay safe, stay out of trouble, stay away from that deuce, you know, and stay motivated, stay focused, man. Um, follow us on all platforms. We on Instagram, uh tell us from the tells from gels on Instagram, uh, also tell us from gels on TikTok. We are active on uh Apple Podcasts, um, Spotify, iHeartRadio, all those platforms that we are doing extremely well. Thanks to the support from you guys. That's all I got to say. Thank y'all, man. Y'all have a blessed day. Stay free, stay safe. It's tell us from the gels.