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KUTT joins Tales From The Jails LIVE for an unfiltered conversation about life, the streets, prison, and everything that comes with it.
From real-life experiences to the lessons learned along the way, KUTT keeps it honest and gives his perspective on the choices, struggles, and realities that can change your life forever.
Yo, yo, yo, what's up, everybody? I know what it is, it's Tells from the Jails. We're here live in Parrooms. You will say TNS Media Group is the team in the family. Uh I got my counterpart here with me, uh, you know, Mr. Braheim Jackson. And we got a special guest, another guest. You know how we do Tells from the Jails. We uh bring guests up here with real live stories, real live events to kind of to deter individuals from going to prison. Let everybody know that prison is a real thing. Tell them who you are, bro.
SPEAKER_04Uh you know, they call me uh, you know, a lot of people know me Cut Low, Cuddy Kruger from the music side.
SPEAKER_01Okay. And uh what part of the city you from, Cut?
SPEAKER_04From down north, Park Ave Allegheny, right behind Broad.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Like I said, you know, our podcast is designed to, you know, uh give real life stories so you can speak about what you want to speak about, leave out what you want to leave out. But you know, it's a live audience that's watching, it's people that's just that's gonna be, you know, uh tuning in to kind of hear your story. So uh we like to start with the way you were brought up and you know things of that nature. Um describe for us, if you could, you know, your household or you know, uh your upbringing, starting out as a youth.
SPEAKER_04You know, mainly, you know, you know, this is the typical grandma raised me to about I was like in sixth grade and I went to and I went with my mom. My pop was booked. My pop was booked most of my life. Okay, and it's ironic because the same jail where I end up doing the same jail where I end up doing life at, that's where I used to visit my pop at. It was like like that drum was just like that drum was just crazy to me. Like how that how that how that how that unfolded. So you was going there at what age you going to that prison? Yeah, I was going there like nine, ten, up to up to about early teens, up to about probably 12. Okay. Yeah, up to like early pre-teen, like about 12-ish.
SPEAKER_01Okay. And you uh you spoke about you know you your your your grandparents having you at such at such a young age. How did that happen?
SPEAKER_04That uh, you know, man, I guess uh, you know, my pot was booked, and uh my mom, I guess she just needed to get from my understanding, she needed to get whatever she needed to get, you know, under her feet and get herself together, you know, that you know, to be able to uh to take care of me.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_04Yeah man, because I'm I'm I'm I'm her only child.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_04So it was like from my understanding, that's that's that's what the arrangement was. And it just it was supposed to have been just temporary, but it ended up for years.
SPEAKER_01So I guess when she was ready, you know. And what time was that? How old were you when you um when your mom uh, you know, uh when you got back living with your mom?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I was about uh I know I had started sixth grade, so I was about what like 12? Yeah, about like 12.
SPEAKER_01When I went to move, uh okay, and now for you, like we, you know, we understand that and and coming up, you know, uh with your mom alone with no with no with no man in and how she dad was serving her what life sentence.
SPEAKER_04No, no, no. He was he did like a dime. Okay, this pop there like a dime. A dime, maybe more, maybe a little more over. He did like a dime. But even before then, before he got booked, we ain't I ain't I didn't I don't like I probably got a couple memories on my part.
unknownWow.
SPEAKER_04You see what I'm saying? Like he was he was doing them, you know. He you know ripping and running. Yeah, ripping and running.
SPEAKER_01I don't fight him for so you know we understand that you know a lot of times, you know, being raised in a single parent household with just your mom, it it it's a lot of difficulties with that because after a certain age, for some reason, us boys, us young men, we tend to stop listening to mom. Yeah, and we head out to the streets a lot of time when there's no man standing in the doorway to kind of stop us from going out there. Sometimes we still make it out the door anyway. But you know, living with your mom, at what age do you find yourself kind of like you know, dipping into the streets and you know running around?
SPEAKER_04I I I ain't gonna lie, I came out the porch like 12. I came out the porch a book, like I ain't gonna lie, like and in hindsight, like I I like when I went with my mom already, was like I started in a rear because I felt the way about me not being with her when I wanted to when I was younger. So it was like, you know, I ain't disrespected nothing, but it was like it was already a chip there. You see what I'm saying? But I never, you know, I never disrespected her, whatever, whatever. And I never I never fought of her because I didn't know, you know, that wasn't never a conversation about why she couldn't have me or why she needed to do whatever, like whatever it never was a conversation. She ain't volunteer, I ain't ass. You know, I just it was just like once I once I got with her, and then it's like she was working two jobs, so it was like really it was just me by myself anyway. But by the time I got with her, I already was already was, you know, I really was prepped to be a loner. I already knew how to wash my own clothes, iron my own clothes, clean and do everything by myself that I needed to do, you know, to you know, to maintain as an individual. So it's like I already was prepped to be alone.
SPEAKER_01I just want to say something too, you know, like and uh something that I that that um y'all y'all might hear a little bit of noise in the background, but I'm gonna tell you something, and like and it's kind of motivate me because I got I got a little son. Um, Cut came to interview today with his son.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_0111 month old son is here in the studio.
SPEAKER_07I don't see why you ain't bring him up here when you can keep a better look on him.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's because he was chilly, he could act. Yeah, totally. When I let when he can chill, I let him chill. Because once he starts he doing that, yeah, that's what he that's when he ready to start the rubbing up. But he like he chill, he's a good young boy.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so like I just want to commend you on that because a lot of times, you know, you know, us as men, we can sometimes forget that we have children. Yeah, we get so caught up in our in our problems and our issues in our business life and running around doing what we gotta do that we forget that we have kids. Oh, right, right. And I want to commend you, man, for having your son with you and bringing your son up here, which and he texts me, like, can I bring my son? I said, Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, because I ain't I ain't I ain't I was gonna drop him all, but I ain't wanna be lit. Yeah, yeah, man. I ain't wanna be lit, but but even more so, right?
SPEAKER_07Not to cut you off, but even more so, you may come home from doing time in prison, man. Yeah, and for you to conduct yourself as a father and still takes that role, yeah. I could I commend you for that too. Because that's real hard. You gotta work not only worry about getting you intact, yeah, but a whole brand new being. Yeah, and it's a little boy, yeah. Yeah, that's gonna be, I think that's more detrimental for a man anyway, to raise. Yeah, you know, you and you doing that after you're released from incarceration.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, my my my my my lack of having minds motivate me with minds. Like that'd be my whole thing, like like what I had to figure out all on my loan, like and by experience, like I'm I'm his too. Yeah, man, I'd rather be his two, even with my daughters. I got two daughters, they grown though. I got two daughters, 22s. My youngest daughter just turned 22 on the 28. My oldest daughter 24. But like, even like even when I was booked, I always I'm I always was present, even though I couldn't be present in the physical, like I'm present, like whatever moral principles and all that, like I'm there for my kids no matter what. That's because I would hate for anybody to just miss God or lead minds astray, or you know what I mean? And then they run around teaching their kids when they have them or moving around. It's like, damn, like what's up with your pop? Like, teach you, but that's how I was brought up. It's like whatever we do is held on who you know who raised me. It's a reflection of them.
SPEAKER_01Let's rewind a little bit. You said you came out the steps, man, early, 12 years old. Yeah, how was you when you fought your caught your first case?
SPEAKER_04My first case, I was like, I was 14. Or my first case, I was 14. What kind of case was a gun case?
SPEAKER_01Gun case, yeah. Because we we see a lot of kids, man, riding around with guns. Their guns be 15, 100, 2,000 guns. Um, how did you even get your hands on a gun? Like, I know how I got my hands on a gun at four at that young, but how did you get your hands with a gun at 14 years old?
SPEAKER_04You know, right in it right from the street, same corner I was hustling on. I'm jumping, everything came through the you know, I got a car from smokers, guns from smoke. I got everything.
SPEAKER_01Sure. So you catch it, you caught a gun case. Yeah, and um that was your first case. And what happened, what happened with that gun case at 14? Yeah, 14. Yeah, and uh how did you get caught? What happened?
SPEAKER_04Uh I got caught. I was I had bought a car from a smoker. It was a Chevy Nova, bought a car from a smoker. Old time the joint stolen. I ain't, you know, as a young man, I ain't no I'm I'm up. I get pulled over the joint and the trunk. The joint and the trunk, we get pulled over. I get pulled over in my young boy. And uh, yeah, that's how I got booked on my first joint.
SPEAKER_01And you ain't gonna run, you ain't trying to break nothing because you because you ain't know what's the end of the stolen.
SPEAKER_04I was I was on a block. So it was like it was like one of them joints. You know how I like that. The cop they might be coming from the top of the block or sitting at the and I ain't know it was an undercover thing, caprice, you know, the caprice, yeah. They slid down the joint slow. So I'm getting in the car, but I'm baby faced now. But when I was a buck, I'm super baby faced, so they looking like the fuck is you doing excuse me. Like, what are you doing getting in the car? Like, they that's I think I tipped on myself by getting in the car, and they looking like like yo, I'm like, no. And I tried the mash and they cut me off. I tried, I tried jumping the wheel, they cut me off.
SPEAKER_07You up four or two years old. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, man. If you want, you can grab me, man. Put it up on it, bring, bring up on the set, bring up on the set, man. We'll take a quick break while he grab his young boy, man. Take a quick little commercial break. We're right back, y'all. First of all, I want to thank everybody who's been tuning in to Tell us from the Jails. Listen, we need everybody to do something for us. If you really like what you see on Tells from the Jails, you're really interested in what you see on Tells from the Jails. We need you to go to YouTube at Tells from the Gels and become a member. Subscribe as well, but also become a member. That way you can get you know updates. My son, uh, as we continue to bring you these uh amazing episodes. So want everyone to go to Tells go to YouTube at Tells from the Gels and become a member. As y'all heard him, go to YouTube. Yeah, we back, y'all. So you see he had to grab his son, man. Got a little handsome young. What was your son's name, man? Zoubear. Zoubear. Yeah, Zoubert. So um, you know, that's your first case. You end up catching that case. Did you do any juvenile um biz after that after that?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. I uh first I I I kept catching gun cases back to back to back. Like that was my main joint, gun and drug cases. Gun and drug cases. I kept catching them joints back to back to back. And uh I end up, you know, it was just that you know, the whole in CBD, then uh youth study center, then uh uh um uh not Braxton, uh the um other juvenile joint. Um joint. 1801 Vine? No, no, no, no. Yeah, I was in the youth study center, but the one out uh out chester, out West Chester.
SPEAKER_07I mean I probably gotta hear the name.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, the name on the tip of my thing. It'll come to me. But so and then I end up getting going going through a juvenile joint always out summit. Out Summit Academy ended up sending me out summit.
SPEAKER_01How much time we did all together as a juvenile?
SPEAKER_04All together. I'm gonna say probably like two, two and a half.
SPEAKER_01So now, you know, no longer a juvenile, you caught all these gun cases at the juvenile. Um, how would you what was your mom saying to you at that time? Like, what was your family saying when you're catching all these cases? What was their uh reaction?
SPEAKER_04Uh you know, she uh she tried she she tried like you know, she tried it when I was caught around the time I caught like when she first found out I was in the streets like that, and she tried the uh but you know I was gone, yeah. By the time she found out, I already was like, she pulled up on me, I'm rolling up. I'm like 12. She pulled up on me, rolling up. And it was like it wasn't really nothing, like she tried, but it was like it wasn't nothing she could really do.
SPEAKER_01So you go from being a juvenile casting juvenile cases, now you're an adult. What was your first adult case you caught?
SPEAKER_04My first adult case was a gun case. Damn.
SPEAKER_01How many gun cases you caught together?
SPEAKER_04I probably caught like all together. I probably caught like seven gun cases.
SPEAKER_01Damn.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And majority of them was as juvenile or or majority of them was at an adult.
SPEAKER_04I caught I caught like what, like probably like three of them was adult. Yeah, probably like three of them was a duck.
SPEAKER_01All right, so your first gun case as a as a adult, uh, what happened? How do you get caught with the gun?
SPEAKER_04Driving, driving, ignorant smoking, no license. Yeah, man. I'm driving down uh down Germantown Avenue.
SPEAKER_07And you know, this this was back when it ain't even matter if your car was registered, like frisking all that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, they ain't care about none of that. So I had a big, I had a big, this big uh big war wagon, like Pontiac Parisian wagon bombed out all the way around.
SPEAKER_01And they and they uh they blissed you, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So all these gun cases, did you did you do any time for any of the skinny gun cases upstate? No, no, I had no.
SPEAKER_04I ain't gonna hold you like I had Nano Tenard. That's the only look I ever had, and he was his his his whole thing. If anybody ever had him, his whole thing is the postpone or the play. Yeah, man, he's gonna postpone, postpone, and then get a play with crazy crazy play, and me being ignorant, I'm just stacking up points, stacking up points, stacking up points.
SPEAKER_07You don't know that at the time.
SPEAKER_04I just know I was staying out on the street.
SPEAKER_07Y'all heard that? Even if we didn't know that, you still take that chance of staying out on the street because you don't know the significance of it at that time.
SPEAKER_01Wow. So you just so we take these putties, all these points against you, everything, everything stacking up against you, and then ultimately you caught a you got arrested for a homicide, correct?
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_01Can you talk about that?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. It's crazy because when I got I got when I got arrested for my homicide, I was already booked for something else. So I was booked for something else, and I had a uh a detainer. I got booked on my block. They jumped out, chased me. Uh I got booked on my block, and then like almost a year later, they come grab me for questioning. But that's what the that's at least that's what the pick were. So they like, damn, we got you for questioning, but it wasn't never, they was just like from the rip, they went at me like, yeah, like we know you did it, da-da-da-da-da. Like, I don't you got the wrong one. You got the wrong one, and they like, all right. Yeah, they and W they they definitely they ain't they ain't played they they charge.
SPEAKER_01But that's your first time being arrested for for that type of charge, murder charge.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a I had a I had an aggravated assault on a cop. Me and a me and the cop, me and a highway patrol boy got into a tussle.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_04He said anyway, he tried to he tried to go in my uh he tried to go in my my pants. I'm like, bro, like what you doing? Like he tried going my you know on my kicks.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Like, bro, no, like we ain't doing that. We not doing that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Got into a little tussle.
SPEAKER_01So now a lot of times people don't really understand these the um these situations where as though you get brought in for questioning for a homicide. And um this question, and when you get questioned for a homicide, this initial interview can make make a break a lot of help you may get hurt you or it can help you out a lot more. So everybody don't know, like regardless whether you're innocent or Guilty, you shouldn't say nothing.
SPEAKER_04Dang, then we're my lawyer. That's it. You say anything, that's like with my lawyer.
SPEAKER_01Like you was already programming as such as you know a young adult to know, like, you know what I mean, like that you not not to speak to them. So when they told you that you was charged with the homicide, meaning that basically we gonna we're gonna move forward charging you, what was going through your mind?
SPEAKER_04Uh my my my my instant my initially, I'm like, alright, they they they they my my my first instant they trying to kill me. That was that was by guarantee like that's my initial instinct. And I went back, I went like I went back. They kept me down an eighth and race. When I went back, I went straight. I I just started going to the law library from the rip, even then the county, you know, the county law library training. Nothing but a computer, one computer, maybe two, about eight books, eight books that's ripped and tore apart. But from my mom, that was my mind state from the rip, like I'm you know, same mind state from the shoe. I'm not letting nobody take nothing from me. I'm not letting nobody do nothing for me without without me doing nothing.
SPEAKER_01Wow. And at the what year was this?
SPEAKER_04This was 2000, 2009.
SPEAKER_012009. So the county, how describe the county at that time, 2009.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that is because I they I was in first I was in the F. I was in the F, then they kicked me out, kicked me out the F and sent me the pick. So, you know, that's that's I locked in. Locked down, locked in, locked in.
SPEAKER_01Was it real radical at then? Like real lot of stabbers, a lot of fights in there in 2009.
SPEAKER_04Free falls. Like you come, we come out before everybody get in the shower, it's going right back then.
SPEAKER_05Damn.
SPEAKER_04Like before everybody get in the shower. If you ain't in that first couple groups, you ain't gonna make no shower.
SPEAKER_01Yo, you ever got stabbed in jail? Nah. Now, um, in jail, as we know, like, you know, it's real geographical. It'll be North Philly, West Philly, South Philly, a lot of these different, you know, uh regions uh of the city going at it. Or different parts of the city going at it, I should say. Um, and you like you said, y'all coming out of the cells, something happened and y'all going right right back in. Yeah. Um, for you being there for that first time, what was your mindset? Then I gotta get up out of this jungle. What was you thinking?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that, that, that, that, could, because look, like, like, like you know, like I was, I was, I was going through a sense of pup. So a lot of times, I gained like almost every time I get booked, I see somebody I knew from Julie or or from, you see what I'm saying? From the youth study center or from the juvenile joint I was at, like almost like every time. Every time. So it was like, from yeah, my mindset always I gotta get up. From the rip, my mindset always I gotta get up.
SPEAKER_01So, you know, like you heard you said something that was crazy. You said that um a lot of times you see someone from the juvenile facilities, you see them in the county prisons. It's crazy that you said that because now I think about it, it's like it's like once it once a kid is um was incorporated into the juvenile facilities, it's a huge chance that this kid's gonna be going into the adult facilities as well. Yeah. Like the like how how is the uh what's up with the re rehabilitation? What would what's you know, I try to figure out why is this so prevalent, why is this happening so much. You go juvenile to your adult and you're upstate. It's like people have been in jail all their lives. And I sit back and think about it. A lot of time it's because of the uh the upbringing, the the broken families, a lot of times. There's no structure in the house, and kids just spill out to the streets a lot of times, man. Um, but you know now you in the county, you're fighting um this uh this murder charge. And how long was you in the county for?
SPEAKER_04I was in the county with uh almost three years. Dang. I was in the county almost three years from 2008 to 2011.
SPEAKER_01Now let's let's get to the trial, the trial aspect of it. How was what was going on? Um how was you feeling about the trial and getting to the trial?
SPEAKER_04I'm saying the trial, the trial, the trial, because I was hands-on with my from every since I got my discovery, I'm hands-on. But the one thing, like my lawyer never came and visited me. Like he never came to visit me, he never put up no like that's our strategy. Who did you have for a lawyer? I had you know tonight.
SPEAKER_07Oh, for the for the okay.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, he was my he was my lawyer the whole my my whole my whole situation. Every since I was a pup, I had and uh yeah, he never came to visit me, never like put together no strategy. I'm sending him stuff. Out there whole three years? The whole three years, bro. Never came to visit me. Never came to visit me.
SPEAKER_01So how was you communicating with him?
SPEAKER_04By calling? Yeah, yeah. Through the through the, you know, low layer, be on that joint or through the phone.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So did you feel confident knowing knowing that he didn't come get you? Everybody, like he always say that you need that little that little break to get that little that little visit from your lawyer to get you out. Because it's a different kind of visit, I believe.
SPEAKER_04Oh, it is. Like it's it's necessary.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Because one thing I know about them lawyers, like, they got clients on clients on clients on clients. You're not gonna be just focused on my situation. You're not gonna be fully attentive to my situation like I am. I'm in a cell day in, day night. I'm waking up in the two, three in the morning. Dang, I ain't think about that. Going through transcript, going through, you see what I'm saying? So that was always my thing. I use any lawyer I ever had, I let them know, like, look, all right, this is your livelihood, but this my life. So you're not just doing anything. Whatever I give you, this is what I want you to do, exactly. You can add to it, but don't anything I give you, don't take, don't, don't take it, don't take nothing up. Yeah, I mean you can add to it, but like you say, it's your life.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's my life at the end of the day. Yeah. So, you know, um now it's getting closer to the trial. You're already doing your homework in the law library as much as you can, because you said it's like eight books and they destroyed. Yeah, it's two computers, everything is just crazy. Um, how do you focus, you know, with so much chaos going on inside the county jail, how do you focus on your case? And like, how do you what or what actually what did you do to main to maintain your focus, knowing that you're about to go to trial?
SPEAKER_04Outside, outside of, you know, I tried to try to, you know, practice my Islam as best as I could, exercise. But um, like my main thing, bro, is like my main thing was like, I I got a thing where I I look at stuff, I look at stuff at the end in the beginning. So I be looking at what the end result could be, and that joint will sit with me though. Like it'll sit with me like on my heart and my mind, like it'll be so like the the vision'll be painted to my mind with though when I when I'm daydreaming, that's what I see. If I'm just chilling, or if I'm uh if I'm if I zone out, that's what I see. Or if I'm like focused, like doing my logo or doing whatever, or might be working out, that's what I'll be saying.
SPEAKER_01Like, yeah, I'm gonna let's get to the um the day before the trial. I got it. Let's get to the day before the trial. The trial starts the next day. Um did you know the witnesses that was get you, did you know, did you know what you was up against?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but yeah, because I had my discovery from the rip. I got my discovery from the rip, so but from the joint, from the from the beginning, like the the the the case was flimsy. Like the case was flimsy, like I lied to you, not like it was sheriffs and they're coming in, like like when I lost, they were so like like high. Like I had Judge Renee Carwell Hughes, you know, she uh they made her step down because of uh, you know, some misconduct and uh abuse of discretion.
SPEAKER_01Wow. So let's get let's let me just wind a little bit. So I'm gonna ask you this. The person who got murdered, or or or the people or whoever it was, was it a male or female that was murdered? Male. Okay. Um, did you know this person? Did you know him or I never seen him a day in my life? Because I know somebody another another person told us that um uh lean to the same thing. Yeah, yeah. He said he didn't say nothing. He said he didn't even know, didn't even know the person. So you never knew the person a day in your life. How did they even try to connect you to that? What happened?
SPEAKER_04It was the joint happened outside of a outside of a bar, club slash joint. So that's they so much fishing. First, they they theory was to try to say that me and dude had words in a bar. We bumped into each other and the bar was ready to fight and had words. But then who he was with knew me. So this this this tripped him up because who he was with knew me was like, no, he never with, like, we never even seen boy in there. So then he came with a whole nother thing that now they tried to say I tried to rob the boy that just said they ain't never seen me in there. They did they just switch their whole door in the middle of in the middle of uh opening statement.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. And you also put up that, all right, I'll get back to that. But all right, so now you coming in here knowing that I don't even know this boy, this brother, and I mean whoever he is, man, man, maybe may rest in peace. Yeah, for sure. Um I don't know him. Um I I really didn't do it. You know what I'm saying? These witnesses up here don't know me. So automatically in my.
SPEAKER_04No, but the crazy part, all the witnesses knew me.
SPEAKER_01Yeah?
SPEAKER_04All the witnesses, but nobody never said I did nothing.
SPEAKER_01So what was the witnesses saying on the stand?
SPEAKER_04The witnesses, listen, this is how this is how my case got overturned. Because the statement that they use, the statement that they use to get probable calls, it was like five different signatures on it. Now, mind you, I'm telling Nino this from the rook. Before we even went to trial, I'm telling Nino, I'm calling, I'm like, yo, look, get a signature knowledge expert. Like these joints, not the same. I still got the letters. I still got the letters from him. No, uh, her saying it's not hers on the stand to give more credibility than a signature analysis. I'm like, no, that'd that that'll corroborate it.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_04This is an expert. Like, what, like, that ain't even make sense to me. But yeah, that's a and it was connected to the uh the uh ex-Hamashide detective Ron Dove.
SPEAKER_01He signed it himself, yeah. Damn. Yeah. So we I'm gonna get to that. But look, so all right, so you're going to trial, these people was going going on a stand, testified against you.
SPEAKER_04Oh, nobody, that's what I'm saying. Nobody never said that nobody testified? There was one bull that tried to say that somebody told him I did it, and he wasn't even there. Like, he wasn't there.
SPEAKER_01He got booked for something, and then like he wanna try to, you know, he he trying to shake free out of his situation and say somebody, somebody told me they saw him do it. All right, so now how long was the trial?
SPEAKER_04Trial was like a week and a half.
SPEAKER_01And ultimately, what were you thinking? What were you thinking that you just like before the verdict, you think that you was gonna beat it? How would you feel about it?
SPEAKER_04I didn't gonna hold you. I knew like the day before, the night my mom came up to see me the night before. But the night before they was gonna uh give me the verdict. So she came up to see me. I'm like, uh, and I told her. I told her, I'm like, uh, I'm like, look, I'm like, man, no matter what happened in this joint tomorrow, I'm like, don't get them the satisfaction of thinking they broke you. I'm like, you go home, let it out. I'm like, but don't, yeah, don't, don't, don't break down in front of them people making them think that they broke, because regardless, like, it ain't over. I already knew what it was. Like, because the the judge was like playing a DA. Like she, like, bro, she went and got shirts with blood stains on it, saying that I got one of the witnesses beat up and all. Like, it was just like like the drone was just so crazy. Like, the judge was going way out of it. It was like I had two DAs. The judge was like a whole nother DA.
SPEAKER_01This is a uh Caucasian lady or a black lady?
SPEAKER_04No, a black lady.
SPEAKER_01Wow, what's her name again?
SPEAKER_04Renee Cartwell Hughes.
SPEAKER_01Renee Cartwell Hughes, and she stepped down. When did she step down?
SPEAKER_04She stepped down and like right after I lost like 2011. They made a step down. She had she had made the uh stenographer change something in some board transcript, and they called her.
SPEAKER_05Damn.
SPEAKER_04But they made a step down so she wouldn't get the backlash, and you know everybody would have overturned that joint.
SPEAKER_01Everything she convicted come back there. Wow. But they still, but they still still got a chance once once that happened. Once somebody stepped down, because you can still probably use that as a tool to get back in court.
SPEAKER_04One of my issues, because she she had gave a they had they had ruled her reasonable doubt instruction uh uh unconstitutional. So that was one of my issues. I had I got I got you know, I I got blessed to uh to get overturned in like four issues, four issues in a federal court.
SPEAKER_01Wow. That was a good job. Yeah. So now the next the the the uh the verdict came. Yeah. And the verdict was was uh was guilty. Yeah. Um why did you say that you feel like you was like like they was gonna find a guilty? Because what the judge was doing.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, how the judge was going out her way.
SPEAKER_01Wow. She she she took one of the witnesses, one of the witnesses was trying to recant or so uh one one of the witnesses was trying to recant their statement, and um the the judge was like still like nah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, she like she like no this was she she like she like no we ain't doing that. She like matter of fact, get his lawyer in here, we're gonna see you feel the same way. Wow.
SPEAKER_08Are you serious?
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Wayne got his lawyer the next day, and then he chess out. He come back the next day, chess out.
SPEAKER_05Dang.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, like like she really was that's what I like. It was like you, it was clear like the fix was in.
SPEAKER_01Like so now you get to the you you get to the point where you um, you know, you you time for the verdict, you hear the guilty verdict. What was going through your mind when you hear that? What were you thinking?
SPEAKER_04I ain't gonna hold. I ain't I I just was empty. I was just empty because it's like, but I'm always like, I just got a mindset. Like, I'm always all right, what's my next move? Like that's just always my mindset. Because I always like, I think so much that I try to counter every pro and con with anything I face. But it was like, what was next, I couldn't really count because I ain't know.
SPEAKER_06You see what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04All I knew was I wasn't settling with it.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_04That's all I knew. That's the only thing I knew is like, like, no, this ain't old. Like, that's I'm like, no, I ain't settling with that.
SPEAKER_01Right. I said how'd you feel though? What was going through your mind like after hearing the guilty verdict? What was you, you know, it was you know, first thing I know she knew about it.
SPEAKER_04I looked back, looked at my mom, and uh I looked back, my mom, she, you know, she she she she I asked her not to cry, she ain't cry. I seen the holding it. I could tell like she she holding it. She shaking, but she holding it. She holding it, like she's shaking. I'm saying it, I'm like, I'm like, and I just I'm just like, no, we like we gonna be all right. Like we gonna be all right. It took me back. When I got back, I called her, she balling.
SPEAKER_01She crying. Yeah, she balling. Her only child. Yeah, her only child. Found guilty of murder.
SPEAKER_07But what was that? What was that ride like, right? At the guilty verdict on a homicide, because we know this is the top charge that you can possibly have inside the penal system, which is a homicide and being filmed guilty of it. What was that ride back from CJC to see if CFO you like?
SPEAKER_04I ain't gonna hold this. You know how.
SPEAKER_07And how old was you at the time?
SPEAKER_04I was uh I was like 20, 20, 22. So you was a kid. You was a kid at the time. Yeah, I was a yeah, I was still a pup. What was that ride back?
SPEAKER_07What was on your mind?
SPEAKER_04You know how I like, I ain't gonna hold. I always like, remember when uh when Beg died, and they drove his his his corpse, you know, his cast off. Through the city. Like when I was going through the city, yeah. When I was going on our way back, it was like they definitely like taking a scenic route. I'm like, damn, my head, I'm like, then this might be the last time I see the young man. Yeah, like that's this is definitely a possibility. Like, then this might be the last time I see my city.
SPEAKER_07Wow. And I thought about that plenty of times before. This might be right before you get on that highway. That's the last of the city you see.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you looking at certain cars, like then that look like such and such cars. Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_07Your mind playing tricks on you now. Yeah, yeah. Dang, that's a bull. That's what that, you know. We like I like like we like my brother just said, you know, we get people up here that go through these experiences where they can put them out there because that ride back at the guilty verdict, whether you did it or not, is like no other. Like after a guilty verdict, especially off of a homicide charge, and at such a young age, 18, 19, 20, I don't care who you is and how many bodies you just stepped on. Once these people catch you and correct you, which means convict you, oh my eyes, your mind ain't gonna be adept for nothing after that. Nothing. Right. So that's why I wanted to ask, like, what was that like? Like you said, man, like, damn, I might not even Yeah, no, that was that was that was that was definitely like a like I'm looking at at the bridge, like, like then just everything, like everything is just like just sitting with me.
SPEAKER_04And then you then you pull up the back back of the state room, you pull up that little driveway, that little they put me right in the hole. They let me get on the phone in the in the receiving room.
SPEAKER_07But what was because you got filmed guilty, they put you in the hole? Yeah, they usually take you the hole when you get a certain amount of a time.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. Because I got filmed, but I got I got I got I I I I uh I I waved a PSI.
SPEAKER_07Okay.
SPEAKER_04I waved the PSI so I can start my appeal.
SPEAKER_06Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_04I waved the PSI so I got sentence all that all ever on the same day.
SPEAKER_07Oh, all on the same day. Oh, that's why you went to the hole. That's why I say what I say, okay. So you got your time, so it already went back to the jail because you know they send it they ship it right back before you get there. And then they looking at everybody on the bus list, like, oh yeah, he got 20 or 40. Yeah, when he gets off the bus, put him to the side. Oh, he got just got lighted that they take you straight to the hole. Straight 20 and better, you go into the hole. Oh if you're 20 and better, you go into the hole. Why is that though? Because they look at you as like you might like think about it. You just might do something crazy. 20 years, like, wow. Then, like for this man, this man ain't do this case. This man's coming back guilty off a murder charge, and what did they sentence you to? Life. Life plus 11 and 23, which is 11 and 23 months?
SPEAKER_01No, yeah. Oh, I was about to say, damn, what they get. What'd you get?
SPEAKER_04What they give you 11 had to 23 for it was for uh because they had they had the case that I initially got booked for.
SPEAKER_01Oh, the gun case.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, okay, okay, okay. They give you 11 to 23 tweets for it. Because when I ran, but that's what they were just playing so true. I ran when I ran, they chased me in my folks' crib, right? But the whole time, they they ain't know this my folks. So they Trump though a Trump Trump uh uh home invasion charge on the joint, yeah. Exactly. Even though they came and was like, no, like we give him permission to be in there, like they came to court and said that and still gave us they still booked me for that joint.
SPEAKER_07You hear that, y'all? Hope everybody listen up. You thinking it's your homie crib or your folks' crib? These people don't care nothing about who saying nothing. If they put it on you, your ass might wear that.
SPEAKER_01They ain't care nothing about that, dude. But dang, that's crazy. That's crazy, man. And then, all right, now you got the life sentence. So your mother, that's what I'm saying. I your mother heard that. Life.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01It's crazy too. I I saw something like one time in court, man, and um, I was in court probably like uh a couple years ago for my one of my homies, man. He's upstate now. And um I remember when they told him that he had a life, and it felt like the just the air just got no, it was no air in the courtroom. It was like, it was like, yeah. You all you hear was oh, like that type of sound.
SPEAKER_04Everybody is like, yeah, no, it's like it's like it's like like it's like it's like you in the the world by yourself for like that that that minus like just get smacked with that reality, like you hear the sobbing, you hear the family sobbing, you hear other families.
SPEAKER_01So during sentencing, you don't be cuffed, right?
SPEAKER_04Did they cuff you right before they read they well they cuffed me right before they read the uh the verdict? I mean that whoa oh yeah before they know it before they gave my time.
SPEAKER_07Okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_04So right after they read the verdict, right? They found me guilty, they cuffed me. Okay, so then before they they they they read my sentence, you was already cuffed.
SPEAKER_07I was already cuffed. Okay, they like, yeah, because you know, yeah, that'd be a crazy, like you said, the world just stopped for you, man. To get life, and I did a lot of time, but to actually hear it, yeah, life in prison without the possibility of parole.
SPEAKER_04And then, like, you living with that every day, and then the motherfuckers you love treating you like that.
SPEAKER_07But then you only 22. See, I couldn't deal with it, and I'm a 46-year-old man getting that right now. But imagine 22. I know when I was 22, shit, I ain't got no yeeks like that, nothing yet. I'm still trying to figure me out. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? The life you can't even, you don't even accept that until years later.
SPEAKER_04That joint smack me right upside my head.
SPEAKER_07But so I'm guessing they came and got you fast then. Yeah. You write on that bus list to go hit up your stadium. You ever been upstate before that? No. So what jail you go to after you left CFCF? Went to the fork. What that was like, because they say they talk about like my brother always asked the question, what that was like pulling up that scene that for the first time.
SPEAKER_04You know, you see the big, the crazy big wall when you uh going through the uh through the intake part with a uh with a bus go on. I seen that because I used to hear about it, but I ain't never see it. You see that, but it's like once you go in that joint, it's just like you don't like you on I ain't see no light. I ain't see no light again. Like, once I went in that joint.
SPEAKER_01No light, what you mean you see no shit?
SPEAKER_04It's like no daylight.
SPEAKER_01You ain't know what time it was.
SPEAKER_04No, I ain't see no daylight because like then that's an they put me in a whole air, because then some white shirt boy say he was related to bull that I was down for.
SPEAKER_07Wow.
SPEAKER_04He put a separation on.
SPEAKER_07Wow, so you gotta hurry up and get you out that jail now.
SPEAKER_04When I was in a hole, I was in a whole deal for like four months.
SPEAKER_07Wow.
SPEAKER_01How was that?
SPEAKER_04From the rook.
SPEAKER_01From the root? They said that whole was a lot worse than the county hole now on duty.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it is. It is, but I ain't had no celly, so I was cool. I just I wasn't taking no celly, like you wasn't putting nobody in. Because now you like you. Going out your way to disturb my my situation. I'm already dealing with whatever I'm dealing with, and you going, y'all going out your way. I ain't no, I ain't.
SPEAKER_01What was the biggest uh transition you had to make? I know, like, you know, you're getting it, what what would like, cause I I I can't really uh think about it, but just being in a hole for four months. You just get you just getting upstate, you ain't really got no commentary like that. You got a life nothing, you got a life sentence, you stressing, you you, you know what I mean? You you don't know if you ever gonna get out of it because sometimes you think you're like I'm I'm never getting out of here. That's in your mind, that's in your mind, you got your mom out there, you got your daughters out there, yeah. All these different things going through your mind. How did you cope with that?
SPEAKER_04I just like I ain't like a lot, like I just I just knew like I couldn't get revived up and stuff I couldn't control. Because I like with me, like mine always been mastered. So it's like I know like if I get a chink in that armor, then everything else gonna fall. And I know that whole thing was a mental. I know everything they tried to do was detect your mental. Attack your mental. So I'm so with me already knowing, I'm like, yeah, I'm in there doing all types of calisthenics. I'm just reading. I had my folks, they were sending me like whole whole case log and stuff through the mud.
SPEAKER_07Keep your mind occupied.
SPEAKER_04You know, it uh you know I was getting little visits. I was getting little uh visits, my folks would come up, my mama come up.
SPEAKER_07So what jail did you go to after you left uh greater? Because that's just intake, right?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, then I went to Camp Hill. Because they they they they ain't even they ain't even uh uh classified me at the fourth. Because I was in the hole.
SPEAKER_07So they waited for you to classify and go in there.
SPEAKER_04So I went to Camp Hill. When I went to Camp Hill, they let me out the hole.
SPEAKER_07Is it true what everybody says about Camp Hill? Because I ain't never been upstate. I did all federal time. They talking about when you go, they call it White Hill, too. White Hill and St.
SPEAKER_04But I think they got like they they they definitely be like that, but they ain't never get like that with me. I seen them get like that with people. Like, even there'd be times I might, you know, they strict. They strict about showers, you know. Showers, soap on soap off, they strict about all that. When it's like they want you all when they say it, like they want you all.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, when they say get off, what if you don't get off?
SPEAKER_04You fucking you mess around, get dipped on your head. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, they they they showing you like we ain't playing with you. Yeah. So did you have to stay there long before you get classified to your jail?
SPEAKER_04No, I only stayed there probably like two months.
SPEAKER_07And what jail they classify you to?
SPEAKER_04And then they sent me the mono.
SPEAKER_07Okay, up there, monohoy.
SPEAKER_01Oh, you said, man, uh my guy, you know, uh Maurice Wams Hands. I don't know if he's up there when he's up there.
SPEAKER_04Maurice Payne.
SPEAKER_01They call him Barney. Right, I see it's probably he was up there at the end of the day. He was locked up for a homicide. He did about 20, 20, as a juvenile.
SPEAKER_04Because the way that joined is it's like. You're liable not to see the whole other uh side. You're liable not to see the ABC side. And I always was on either the back blocks or just on the on like the second zone. So that's D E F and then R and J in the back.
SPEAKER_07So you won't, unless you they do that for uh crowd control. Yeah, yeah. Anything pop off, yeah, y'all ain't gonna be able to attack it.
SPEAKER_04Shut that zone. They got it. Yeah, or you it's happening over there, just shut it down. They just lock it.
SPEAKER_07And they can control the problem right there without everybody else getting involved.
SPEAKER_01Control chaos. Because they know if everybody was together, it'd be a shh.
SPEAKER_07It'd be that's what they're doing with the feds now. They're they're adopting this method from the state now. The feds, because when the feds, when you go out to the yard, everybody is in the yard. Everybody now they got okay. You got we what you want to go, what you going out here? I'm playing basketball. They got the basketball courts locked in. Okay, they let 40 niggas in there. All right, where you going softball field? They got gates to open up, let you in the softball field. Another 80 niggas over there. Okay, we gonna work out, 40 niggas over here lock y'all in. So now if something pops off on the back, I'm over there looking at you like feet, miss out that nigga, but I can't get to it because I'm in this other yard. I wanted to go work out. Okay, you know what I'm saying? So, but that's how the state always been doing it. Always. The feds had to adopt that method, and that that seemed like a if you ask me, shit, that's a pretty good method. If you ask me. Something's like like like cattle, though. Like, no, it's not cattle. We in there acting like animals.
SPEAKER_01But I'm saying, I'm not what I'm saying, though. Yes, I'm saying, because it was treating all like, you know how you they they separate certain cattle, like they'll separate the sick ones from the healthy ones and all that. Certain age over here, just like just so many different things. So it's like, wow. So y'all stay free, man. Whoever out there, man, listen, man, jail is not it's not a place that you want to be, man. So now you get the manual, you got this life sentence. Um, did you ever think you was gonna get back in court?
SPEAKER_04I knew I had to. I ain't, you know, I was trusting in the law and I I was trusting in my will. Like my will was like I wasn't, I knew I wasn't stopping. Yeah, and I then got denied from every court before before I got the way I got my relief from. Like time and time again, deny, deny, deny.
SPEAKER_07Did it ever come to a point that you woke up one day and was in there like, damn. Like, what was the realization point for you? Like, damn, I'm sitting in here with life. Like, cause you everybody comes upon that.
SPEAKER_09Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Like, you know, a motherfucker might get the life by not that but don't really see it yet. Yeah. Two, three years, but it comes a point like, damn, I'm gonna be in here with these crazy ass niggas forever. Did it ever come a time like that that it that don't.
SPEAKER_04I ain't gonna lie, that joint that joint that joint came to me. I was uh I was in a hole. I was in a hole.
SPEAKER_07So that's when it'll likely come to you too.
SPEAKER_04I ran out of toilet paper. So the guard, he just keeps spinning me, spinning me, spinning me, spinning me.
SPEAKER_07Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04So it was to the like I had to go, bro. You see what I'm saying? I know how to go.
SPEAKER_07I didn't win, I I know exactly what you talk about. Go ahead and talk.
SPEAKER_04I'm so furious with this boy.
SPEAKER_07I really want to act a fool. Another mind game.
SPEAKER_04I had to use writing paper, bro.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I use I use my t-shirt.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I had to use writing paper.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, they will not bring you no, they'll be like, let me see your robe. You show them the empty robe, yeah, still won't come back. All right, I'll see you in a minute. You gotta you might get shit at the back door trying to get out. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like you see you for real, you laughing, and then they they they'd be like, they'll keep on walking down the range on you. You gotta take a t-shirt and rip it up and just yeah, and then wipe your ass, and you wet it and wipe your ass if you're done. I'm saving a couple other pieces of t-shirt case I gotta shit again later on or tomorrow. Cause I don't know when this chunk. I didn't now I'm cussing his ass out, so now he ain't bringing me nothing. Yeah, I'm already. I mean, you the bitch, you fucking cracker. I'm already because I'm in a hole, I don't care. Which more you gonna do? Can't do that. This is the worst of jail. So now I'm just letting everything go. Yeah, man, that's crazy. So, what happened when you say this is when it dawned on you like that?
SPEAKER_04Because it's like that's the that's the like I really felt like like damn, like they getting out on me.
SPEAKER_07They they felt like they is.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, like they getting out of them, like they really getting out of me. I never like experienced the the the the the the the moment where I felt like like even when they was acting, like the judgment was acting crazy at my trial, I still had the hope of appeal. But it was like with that, I'm like, damn, but what's head to that? Like, yeah, like what's out of that? It's like you on that side of the I'm locked in this joint, so are you really getting out on me like I like I like like I'm like I'm nothing?
SPEAKER_01Wow. Damn, that's just that is crazy, man. So let me ask you a question before we get to you, you know, in a case of return or whatever. What was some of the biggest losses you suffered while while being in there?
SPEAKER_04Grandma. That was that was my grandma, a lot of aunts like that I was real close with, like you know, just just you know, especially like like having to see my daughters grow up, me just missing all up. That was that was that was heavy for me because I always was a hands-on foul. Even back then, even when I was ripping and running. Anybody know me to tell you like I had my kids. I alright, no, I got my kids, like just like then, like I get my kids.
SPEAKER_07Same boy. Did you have a woman to prime going? Yeah. How that turned out, you know. No, let them know. No, let them know.
SPEAKER_04Because they might think I be playing. Yeah, no, he he definitely ain't playing. She she pressed eject immediately, man. Immediately, how long would you with a couple of you would have? Immediately, like right at the no, no, right at the right at the uh I lost.
SPEAKER_07Well, how how did you find out that she was she woman enough to tell you? No, you know, they they they don't got no courage, do they?
SPEAKER_04I pay attention to to the signs, yeah.
SPEAKER_07I pay attention, so you ain't answering like you was and now go ahead.
SPEAKER_04You answering, you sound an irritated now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can wrap this up now because I I'm never gonna let nobody make them feel like but this is after the guilty version, yeah.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, everything changed immediately. Yeah, wow after they give you life, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Girls probably in that air, oh my god, girl, he got life. How long was you with her before before you went to jail?
SPEAKER_04Probably like a year. Yeah, like a year.
SPEAKER_07That's nice, little. It's not a lot of time, but y'all know y'all y'all starting to you're y'all got a rapport.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, no, heavy rapport. Because she definitely ain't one for nothing, you know what I mean? Exactly. So it's a heavy goddamn rapport.
SPEAKER_07You didn't write. Yeah. I understand that all damn day long. So how did you find out all the way through that it was it was a honey bun?
SPEAKER_04I'm saying once you start acting funny with me, I'm I ain't gonna wait for you to give me no papers.
SPEAKER_07Okay, okay. I'm gonna let you go in. So you start seeing, would you upstate yet? Or you still?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I was up, yeah. I was upstate, yeah. Right at that low, yeah. I was upstate. You know, that's like once you start like acting irritated, like irritated with like when I you start acting irritated in regards to me, I'm cool. Yeah, I'm cool. Cause I always been a self-person anyway. I'm my mom only child.
SPEAKER_07I'm gonna speed up real fast, but we're gonna go back. You seen her since you've been home? Yeah. How that how that was awkward. Was you mad? No, yeah, you lose it after a while. Yeah, yeah, no, no. It go away because I wasn't mad no more.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I ain't gonna hold you like definitely awkward though. Yeah, try to act like she ain't see me. Yeah, yeah, she ain't trying to face it straight up. No, man, I'm where y'all was at? Crazy. We was at uh Dony Park. Seen it out, Dony Park. Yeah, everybody out there, yo.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, did you say did you talk to her? No, I ain't say nothing to her. You ain't say nothing, man. That's your fault. I don't wanna go there, like, dang, what's up, yo? Nah, I'm cool. But did she did you make sure she seen it was you? Yeah, she was like, Okay, she let me date in my face.
SPEAKER_03Well, she's what she was she was no, she was with her daughter. She was with her daughter, she was with a daughter. She let me date on my face.
SPEAKER_07And you just went your way and she went her way.
SPEAKER_04I just smiled. I smiled and I kept it pushing.
SPEAKER_07Oh, did she know you was home? Or she didn't know you were?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, no, she knew I was home. Because she she seen me on uh social media.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, everybody talking about it when you came home and all that. All right, yeah. Yeah, and and she never reached out to you again, you never talked to her? No. How long did you do altogether?
SPEAKER_0717. 17 years of behind that. And you stayed at Manahoe the whole time?
SPEAKER_04At the at the I went, I got kicked out, I got and I went, I got kicked out and sent me to Fratville, and I ended up going back.
SPEAKER_07Going back to Manahoe. Oh, so you went, you got kicked out, went to Fretville, then went back to Monahoe.
SPEAKER_01They like side by side, thing. They like close they close, they like yeah, like they're a mile apart.
SPEAKER_04It was like brief though. It was brief.
SPEAKER_07Damn, 17 years. Man, you know, I like to ask, because I'm I like to ask this question all the time, man. Everybody likes to know about it. Because I like to put my theory on what I like, what I think is the most craziest, but people think I'm crazy. But I'm gonna ask you up here today. I'm quite sure you've seen your fair share of violence. Am I correct in this?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_07Probably been in some yourself 17 years, I'm quite sure that wasn't no a walk through a cake.
SPEAKER_08Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Um, out that knife and that lock, right? Just listen, you get into an altercation. This is a hypothetical. You get into an altercation with it. But well, first of all, have you ever seen that knife work on a nigga ass? Yeah. Have you ever seen that lock and sock work on a nigga ass? Now, the hypothetical question comes if you was in an altercation with another convict, but it was briefly, men broke it up, got in between, intervened, yo, y'all both cool, whatever. And it really wasn't nothing but y'all just talking verbal back and forth. You go your way, he go his way. But you like, man, I ain't tripping off that shit. You watching TV or something, but he tripping still. And unbeknownst in you, he's creeping up to you behind you. Yeah. And you you really take you ready to take whatever punishment he got for you. Because you don't see him coming and you thinking he let it go like you did. Would you rather him have either that knife or that lock and sock?
SPEAKER_04So you gotta, you, you know, you gotta you gotta be a technician with both for real.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, exactly. But if he wins a technician with both, yeah.
SPEAKER_04If the person is a technician with both, technician with both, but out of the two, because you could long as you don't get the top of my duck with what? With that lock.
SPEAKER_07But that's what I'm saying. So what would you rather him use if he was coming at you without you even knowing he coming? The lock. The lock? You with the lock? Yeah, over the knife, yeah. Yeah, you want you like punishment. Yeah, you a brute for praying.
SPEAKER_04Because once you gonna close that with that, you're gonna close the distance for me. Yeah, but you don't cook me. If you don't cook me off of that, how many people you see get hit that don't get cooked?
SPEAKER_06But that's because the instant let me straight.
SPEAKER_04I'm already I'm already expecting, I'm willing to take one. Yeah, I'm willing to take whatever whatever I got to take to get mine off. I'm willing to do that. I'll be willing, I'm cool with that. Yeah, like if you got the drop on me, that's my fault. Yeah, I just I deserve it. I deserve to have to pay for that punishment.
SPEAKER_01That's the price I gotta pay. Yeah, what's the most vicious demonstration you saw in this in the states, in the state pen?
SPEAKER_04Definitely uh knife, knife was probably long like this. Yeah, they got him up there. That's my stab what's that what's a knife like that? Bad. Bad, bad. Had to chop them up.
SPEAKER_07Dang, bad. Can I ask you a question? Do you think, right? Even though they exonerated you and you came home, well, we will find out out in a minute. Do you think jail is a deterrent?
SPEAKER_04Depends on your mindset, but yeah. It depends on your mindset, but it depends on your mindset, but like I still like how we so fixated on time and it, I still move like that. Like, I'm so time sensitive. Like, I I be like, but a lot of people be like, I don't got pace. Like, no, it ain't that I don't got patience that I respect time.
SPEAKER_07Exactly.
SPEAKER_04I respect time, like these seconds or minutes you won't waste doing nothing, I could be doing something. I could get something to come, because that's how I was doing my whole time. Oh, then all right, I'm gonna go read a case. Instead of sleeping another out, no, I'm gonna read, yeah, man. Well, I'm gonna go get a quick workout and a do, you know, man. I'm gonna make something out of because you got because you never know. You know, and there, you know, you might not come back up.
SPEAKER_07Yeah. Is there anything that you bought home, any traits that you brought home? Good traits from the or or is there any good traits that you can learn from being in prison?
SPEAKER_04The main thing that I like minding your business. Like minding your business, like a lot, like I see like that joint is like extinct. Like, but people don't want to say like people like literally lose their I seen somebody get sent just over looking in a nigga's cell. Like, damn, let me get one of them. Looking in the cells, like damn, let me get let me get one of them soups you got up there.
SPEAKER_07You you wouldn't never see these soups if you went and looking in my life. For real. For real, bro. You will get your own set, man.
SPEAKER_04They not playing with you about that, but that's a real joint. That's a real joint, that's a pet peeve of mine. Like, I get I I ain't no crumb nigga, but don't don't mind like I don't, yeah, that's a pet peeve of mine.
SPEAKER_01Damn. You always talk about that mind you've been looking at somebody's cell. Damn, so you now you uh you started to do your homework on your case. Well, you start you've been doing homework on your case, but when did you um uh when did you know that you was gonna get back in court?
SPEAKER_04It's when I when um when they they gave me an evidentiary hearing.
SPEAKER_01And what's that for people who don't know?
SPEAKER_04Evidentiary hearing is it's it's it's a hearing where as though they they willing to hear the evidence that you saying on on your behalf that uh working your face or it might have been something that took place that was wrong.
SPEAKER_07That was overlooked.
SPEAKER_04So it's they they giving it a you know a a a second glance. A second glance, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And what they say, they say, well, we're gonna allow to get back in court. And that was like Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04They they they once they they uh and the and the and the commonwealth conceded to it. That's why I'm like, yeah. They like they agreed to like, yeah, no, you know, he does evidentiary hearing. We feel as though he was wronged in this at this area, that area, da da da da. And I'm like, but the crazy part is what I was telling my lawyer from day one.
SPEAKER_07The same thing. If he would have just did it, you'd never even been there.
SPEAKER_04Same thing I was telling him from day one, bro.
SPEAKER_01About these signatures.
SPEAKER_04About them signatures.
SPEAKER_01Damn, that's crazy. They got 17 years out you. So let's talk about you getting back in court though. Yeah. What like how would how would you feel when they told you they're just giving you a new trial?
SPEAKER_04Like it was like a but you know, when you experience so much rejection and and you be always looking for the next one. It's always like waiting for the other shooter for like all right, I'm I'm I'm grateful, but I ain't celebrating until like it was even it was even to the point once I got my relief and all that. I still like it ain't until I walked out that door, they like it ain't hit me. It's like I don't trust him. Like I know who I'm dealing with. If y'all willing to forge a joint to get me in here, I y'all gonna forge it to keep me in here. You see what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_07Mm-hmm. You already know I do. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01Wow. So you so you get your date and they bring you back to the city. Back to the county.
SPEAKER_04No, no, no, they ain't even let me want to let me come back to the county. They made me have my joint on the uh on the computer screen?
SPEAKER_07Yeah. What the court? Uh the whole trial? So you went back to trial again on the computer, or was it a motion that you No, it was a motion.
SPEAKER_04Okay. It was a motion that's a good one.
SPEAKER_07You just had to be present for the emotion being read.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It ain't want me, because um, I guess uh bulls still down Phoenix or some of those people that's down there.
SPEAKER_07So they ain't even want to take you all the way through to all that. No, we're gonna do this right from these, because they got a nice monitor. Yeah, or they got a nice big little booth you get. I'm talking about nice TV probably that big with the judge right here, this DA right here.
SPEAKER_04Hold on, I wasn't even after the fact, I was first I'm like, that, you know, I'm gonna go down on Rip. See some guys, see some of the guys I ain't seen. See the city and all that. See the city get some visits. But then after that, I'm like, that joint came kind of like it came quick. It came, that joint came quick, and then that joint like like I've made it. I'm like, listen, I'm like, all right, it's cool, just make sure before they wrap it up. Like I told my lawyer, make sure before they wrap it up, holler at me first, because I like you might have missed something.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I want to make sure everything, all I want to make sure everything's squared away.
SPEAKER_04Like, and I was cool with that. I was cool with that.
SPEAKER_07So how long did you have to go to this herring for? Was it one day, two days, three days over the over the?
SPEAKER_04No, it was just one day.
SPEAKER_07One day, everything was wrapped up in one day. Well, how long?
SPEAKER_04It was all in agreement. It was like Commonwealth agreed, like they they they conceded.
SPEAKER_07Like, yeah, he was wrong. We got to go ahead and overturn this.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_07So when it was overturned, it was overturned as far as then the conviction thrown out, or you are getting a new trial?
SPEAKER_04It was uh it was split because remember it was two cases. And we so they they they they threw one of the cases all the way out.
SPEAKER_07The homicide. Yeah. And left you with the gun.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. No, no, they left me, yeah, with the with the homobasis.
SPEAKER_07No, no, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So you already did 17, so 11 and a half, 20.
SPEAKER_04I know that was done. Yeah, I had it in.
SPEAKER_07Green sheet on his way.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I had it in. I I had the max, I d they give me seven and a half to 15. Oh, yeah? Four.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so yeah. So hold on, so how'd you feel knowing like damn, my they did everything is wrapped up in one day? Yeah. And he was coming home in one day.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, no, but it was already like the lawyers were talking to me about it. Because like when they when they and the feds, when they had when they had overturned it in the feds, it was they gave them 180 days to even retrive me or release me. So after they played the close, they live they waited all the way to the 180 days to ask for an extension, but I didn't even know at that time that you could do. I learned though, what you can. And um they had gave 'em extension and all that. And then that's that's what they came with.
SPEAKER_01And now you go back to the block knowing that you wanna get out. What was what was going through your mind then like, damn, I'd go home.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but it w it was it was a um Yeah, that joint was just like I ain't gonna I was floating. I ain't gonna lie, I was I I floated.
SPEAKER_06Was you telling people no? Not unless you was my folks. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, unless you was my folks, like because you you know how I yo bro.
SPEAKER_12You know how you know we good.
SPEAKER_04You shouldn't throw it, bro.
SPEAKER_01So you said you had floating, you're going back to the block, you floating.
SPEAKER_04I'm floating. Yeah, I'm floating, but I ain't gonna hold it. It was like a weight lifted off me. I went back and went to sleep.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, you went to the bottom.
SPEAKER_04I went back in with the sleep, yeah. And I don't sleep in the daytime. Yeah, I can't. I never can sleep in the daytime. I got to be like dead tired. But it was I I lied to you not, bro. It was like a like a weight lifted off my shoulder. Did you cry? No. I wanted to. I wanted to cry when I got my when I got the life since I couldn't. Yeah, I wanted to. Just saying my mom like that is like, damn, like they hurt my mom like this, and I can't do nothing about it. Like that, that that alone had me furious.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Did you did you call your mom and tell your mom about the situation right away? No.
SPEAKER_04I ain't tell her, I ain't tell her until it was like more set in stone because I didn't want to get up, get her hopes up, and then she get disappointed. Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_07Something goofy going on. They got another technicality. Yeah, that's how it always goes.
SPEAKER_01So, but when you found out that it was actually official, when did you um you know what how how did she feel when you told her? What did she say?
SPEAKER_04She was, yeah, she was, you know, she was a lady. Like you know, she did all her little praising and all that, uh jumping.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So you getting out now. Dang, you know you, you know, you know you're about it's official. I'm about to come home. I'm about to come home, and then now you come home I'm saying why the day the day before you get out, the day before you about to you about to get out.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, because it that I ain't get right out because it was a it was a like a layover with the time. So I had to wait like another like month and a half.
SPEAKER_07That was I would have been cool with that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's cool. I definitely was cool with it. I'd have been like, yeah, I was cool.
SPEAKER_07I was cool with that. Yeah, I'm about to get out. Like, yeah, that was cool with that. I'd have been worried about it. I hope they don't try to do no freak shit during this month, and say recharge, we got newly discovered evidence.
SPEAKER_04Oh no, no, I was cool. I ain't gonna lie. I was the most at ease I was about my whole out their whole 17 years.
SPEAKER_0717, that's a long time to be in there for nothing.
SPEAKER_04Because it's like you know, guards still acting funny, they don't even know.
SPEAKER_07I'm I'm in my head, like you don't even know, like oh they don't know, they don't got it on the computers and only only the like the unit bands. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they don't got it, yeah. They don't got it. Lieutenants and all that probably pulled it up though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, they're the L T because they got a code to go into your shit. Yeah, yeah. Dang, boy.
SPEAKER_01So for the homies that you did tell, though, the ones who didn't know how to how what was their reaction like?
SPEAKER_04Oh, they was they would that's what that's why I said only my guy, because you know, some people like, damn, that's what's up, but you could tell, like nigga really he don't hate that you going home, but he hates when it ain't them, yeah.
SPEAKER_07It's like he exactly he hit the lottery and I didn't exactly. I'm about man at you, but why the hell? I couldn't just hit that joy. I need cash too. On that tip, you know me and nigga, like, yeah, you gonna I want to go home too. So yeah, so that's why you on my.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Any of the guys you told, didn't any of any of them have life?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I ain't gonna lie a lot. Mostly everybody I dealt with either had life or double digits. Like everybody I worked out in the yard with a did like had sat in a law library with mostly everybody either had life, either had life, or double digits.
SPEAKER_01Let me ask you a question. You know, um, just try to get in the mind state of a person who has a life sentence. What is something that everybody who has a life sentence, what do they all have, something that they all may have in common? That you can think about, like something that it is it could be a characteristic, it can be a saying, it could be something. What is what is something that everybody who has a life sentence have in common outside of the life sentence?
SPEAKER_04Right, uh most thing like tired be tired, bro. Be drink, be drinking, be drinking, be drink, because it's like it's it's a never ending like Monday two. That's just one reality that don't never stop turning. Because it'll come from every different angle, like you because you're sitting there watching sports, be like, dang, I won't never be able to get to a game.
SPEAKER_07But the crazy part of right, but the crazy part about what you just said, that's crazy. It still don't stop turning. Even when you're free. Even when you're free. It's not a day that I've been home that I ain't think about incarceration. It's not a day that I woke up since I've been free from that to doing 21 years that I ain't think about jail. And that's a cause and effect from the situation. Oh, really? Because you got people that wake up that don't think about no goddamn jail. Yeah. I I remember it vividly, like it was two seconds ago. And that'll probably stay with you for the rest of your life, bro. Every day, bro. I'm talking about how you move, how you talk. Let me ask you this. Do you think the respect level is the same out here in society as it is in prison? Nah.
SPEAKER_04Which one has the highest respect? At least from not from what I not from what I say. Not from what I say, because it's like people more like people out here, like especially now nowadays, probably nowadays, people out here, they like everybody really don't care.
SPEAKER_07Any tough, everybody tough.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. Until they gotta show up and tell. Like niggas might be tough inside that drone, but they ain't really trying to go in that cell with nobody. Yeah, you see what I'm saying? So they they ain't really trying to bang it out and have to stick each other into the, you know what I mean? Or get mace. Like they ain't really trying to like cross that line with like you know, like, and they're like, it's like everybody, like it's just it's definitely different. Like, because it's it's a different type, it's a different type of reality check.
SPEAKER_01Wow. So um this band in there, and this like you said, all your friends had double digits, life sentences, um, and and all y'all just hang together. So it's more so you you don't really hang wanna hang with nobody, really wanna hang with nobody who got who got short time. Is that is that something that people like who got like it's just that like they don't they don't it's like the conversation different.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but the conversation different. Like, I don't want to hear I got life. I don't want to hear you talking about you ready to go see parole, yeah.
SPEAKER_07Not only that, but yeah, my but not even just that, it's just like he's talking about things that have he's ready to get informed, activities that he ready to do that you ain't got a chance of never seeing with life.
SPEAKER_05Damn.
SPEAKER_04Like we ain't got the same problems, and I'm like, I don't, it wasn't even out of jealousy, it was just like it's just real.
SPEAKER_07Just can you imagine you having life? I'm having three years, but you Milwaukee. But every day I'm around, I'm not thinking about being in here for life. I'm ready, I'm like, feet, yo, when I go out, I gotta go to that new mall. You heard a new mall. And I'm I might look and check myself like damn. But and you'll be paying attention to me, but you like, but you ain't. You ain't you got life. I keep telling you, but I'm hype though.
SPEAKER_04I got a right to be hype, I'm ready to go, but you gotta be mindful that you can't keep talking like this around certain men, and but and and and and not to cut you off, but a common thing that they always say, Well, I ain't got life, I'm going home.
SPEAKER_07That that's a fight me, that's a fight me dickhead, though. When niggas do that, like what you mean by that, Coke? Like, that's how niggas are.
SPEAKER_04I could be a fly on the wall and I hear like I might not even be part of a conversation, I hear niggas say it. You see what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_07Like to know of a chord, man. And niggas say this how niggas are fighting, that's how they verbally fight. Yeah, man. I ain't tripping about this shit, man. I'm ready. Go home. Yeah, yeah. You making statements like that, bro. It's minute with life, cuz right, but you really trying to get out on a nigga, right? Right, yeah, that's a thing. Boy, them niggas, boy. I forgot all about that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, well, niggas somebody that's like they don't have to be smart and a whole room, whole room people they about. Yeah, like you said, I'm gonna get up out of it anyway. I ain't really worried about it.
SPEAKER_07Because you know you were here with all these why is you making that statement so boisterous, right? But you doing it because something inslighted you and made you upset. And only whole ass niggas do that. Oh, whole ass nigga do that. Can you imagine that feat? Like, we sitting there we playing cards, we done cooked you or something, you gotta leave. Like, man, I ain't worried about that card game. I'm getting ready, go home. Up aside, yeah. Right in front of you. Yeah, dang it. You know what I'm saying? Like, we all at the four of us playing spades. Three, he he got 30 and 60, you got life, I got life. He mad you got love. Like, yo, next, next, man. I don't care who got next, man. I'm ready, get ready, go home. Yeah, yeah. But you know we sitting here, ain't none of us going home. That'll get a nigga killed so fast. Yeah, he might have to get beat up. But that's how niggas verbally fight, punk shit, say little slick shit until a man catch it and address you. Like, what you mean by that, cuz? But you teasing me because I got life? Yeah, no, no, and then a bitch come out. You shouldn't have even said that. But that you that's what you're doing. You know we all got life. Yeah, you tell them, nah, I ain't worried about that. I'm getting ready to go home. Come on, boy, I hated that, boy. Yeah, I hate a nigga like that, boy. You got so many niggas that do that cowards, and they get their ass saying it to them though. Yeah, like, oh yeah, you ain't got this life to do, but you gonna have this knife to do. You know what I'm saying? Really? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Wow. So uh uh let's just talk about the day you uh you was being released, man. Yeah. How was that for you?
SPEAKER_04That joint was like Well the night before.
SPEAKER_01Let's talk about the night before.
SPEAKER_04Night before, I ain't in I I ain't in sleep like that. I ain't in sleep like that. I ain't gonna hold you. Cause you know my cell, he my Sully was more geek than me. Yeah, exactly. That's how I do it. My Sully, he more geek than me. How much time you cell had? My Sully, he he got life.
SPEAKER_01Oh yeah, life.
SPEAKER_04My Sully had life. I still talk to him.
SPEAKER_01Still talk to him. Like is it look like he can get out? No.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, the way I look at it, bro, is if you wanna, you could get it.
SPEAKER_07Some gonna take longer than others.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, some take no, no, for sure. For sure. Long as like, you know, unless it's them a certain die situation. But yeah, he from my understanding, so you you know every everybody might not share their case as it really is. Yeah, man, as it really is. But from my understanding, yeah, he he got a shot.
SPEAKER_01So you sell he can't sleep, he he up talking all night. Like, damn, what you gonna do? You get out, are you with all this type of I wouldn't I end up going to sleep on him?
SPEAKER_04He was geek. Yeah, he was geek. He was yeah, he definitely was geek. But I I'm like, I'm trying to get the day over with like let's get let's get to the mall. Let me go to sleep. Yeah, let me like let's get to the mall.
SPEAKER_01And uh so they come to your what time they came to your cell?
SPEAKER_04They came to my cell. Actually, they came to my cell late. They came to my cell like at the count. At the count.
SPEAKER_01What time was that?
SPEAKER_04This was like one o'clock.
SPEAKER_01What afternoon?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, one o'clock in the afternoon.
SPEAKER_01So you so you like I would be thinking I'm getting out early in the morning.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. That's because my my my my uncle and them wanted to come get me. He wanted to come get me, and I should have let my mom and my folks come get me because they they would have been there on time first thing in the morning. He wanna stop last minute, get this, get that. Bro, you knew you knew this was, yeah, you knew this was like come on, man. You already know. I think I want to stay an extra minute after I just did say that.
SPEAKER_07And then they ain't letting you go until your people's get there and come in like I'm here to pick up a such and such. And if you don't show up, because you got to put that into who coming. Yeah, they'll re-vouch you and send you home another day, or either bus you home, or you had somebody else say they come to pick you up. Like that day y'all came and got me. If y'all never came and got me, I wouldn't have left to the next day that they gave me a bus ticket. They can't then like hold you for like another seven days or something like that. No, not like that, but it'll be a day or so. You like dang. You supposed to leave the date up. Fucking seven days a day is like seven days. Get me out of there immediately. Yeah, if I supposed to go home Tuesday morning tomorrow, your family ain't show up, yep, Mr. Jackson. I'm sitting in that cell, like, man, what the hell is ball? I'm at tomorrow would be like a year. Because now I'm in the RD ready to roll.
SPEAKER_01So now everybody looking at you like, yo, damn, what happened? Yeah, and that's how that's exactly how it goes. Yeah, that's exactly what's going on.
SPEAKER_07I thought you were even irritating your more. Like, and now I got all his comments and he done left me, and then I'm like, damn, he ready. I gotta get my man back to this shit, man. I'm just ready, I'm just ready to stick with this.
SPEAKER_06I got these two brandy new sneaks. I'm just fucked up somebody. You coming back through the door. Yo, what happened? Steve, he done stole that. You trying to yourself, bro. You already bust the trap with my tube and yo, you ain't even been going off the block a half hour. I done made moves with this. Then you back on the block. What?
SPEAKER_01So you come back on the unit, like, what? What the hell's going on? You like, nah, my folks ain't coming, so I gotta stay another another 24 hours. So you uh now let's get to the part where they would let you walk out that door because everybody says it's like a nice little distance you gotta walk to get out. Like you walk like a nice little walk down the path.
SPEAKER_04I've never seen that part of that jail before. Say that day. That was my first time seeing that part of that jail.
SPEAKER_07Unless you were like an orderly for that part or something like that. You gotta be like the lower level, yeah. Yeah, lower club, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So you you get you get you get to the door, describe that feeling of getting to that door and the door opening up, and then like, all right, you go ahead, you're free. Free to go.
SPEAKER_04That joint gonna hold you.
SPEAKER_07That joint was like 17 years.
SPEAKER_04That joint was like just had life.
SPEAKER_07It ain't like you had a 17 year sentence and you got done.
SPEAKER_04That's when it really hit me. Like, I'm like, all right, you know, it's for real. Like even a walk, like I'm still that's that's how that's that's that's how I messed up that stuff had you, bro.
SPEAKER_11Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Cause I'm still in doubt, like then something could go wrong. Any like you ain't happy until you about an hour out. I gotta be on the other side of that fence.
SPEAKER_07I gotta be in a car 30 minutes away from the jail.
SPEAKER_01Once I was that, then I was like, all right. I saw something where he had like a prank. Boy came out of the joint, and they had like the cops standing there like waiting, like they're gonna rearrest him. And boy was like, I'm like, you never see that before? That that uh that Joe on Instagram, the boy came out out of the joint, and the guard, the cops sitting right there waiting for like waiting, like they was going, he thought they were taking it back in. He was like, Like, could you imagine the coming out of there and that something like that happened? You'd be like, What? Devastated.
SPEAKER_04That's especially under that. Like, you just gave back an elbow and then they come out, no, yeah, you whole nother joint.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so that's that's crazy. Or something else. So what did you do? Like, just describe that ride back to the city. Because I think I wish we was drive out the out to Mahanoy. It was probably like what, six, seven hours, I believe.
SPEAKER_04Oh no, it's like two, two, like two, two and a half, depending on you, like two, good.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you take uh 70 uh six oh yeah, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, so you so you um that ride back to the city, man, you coming through Danny, you damn near Cleveland sometime where you right there, but I how was that? How was that ride coming back?
SPEAKER_04I ain't I was just looking out the window. Like my folks, they calling everybody. Everybody got everybody want to talk to you. Yeah, I'm just looking out the window, like and I talked to my daughter and them, like let everybody like my folks, letting them know I was it was like I just was looking out the window like dang like was your car sick? No. It was just like I say, like on the ride back from the joint, then it was like like dang, I like I actually felt like that. I'm I'm I'm on my way back. Like I said, the ride up the joint had you feel like then I might not, I'm just like, dang, like I'm like damn, I thought I was never gonna see your man decide again.
SPEAKER_01Let me ask you a question. Now that you're home, right? Do you ever think about like look look at your clock about? Are they in lockdown right now?
SPEAKER_07Like you know, you're yours about like like uh I do that all the time. 430 come, uh every time 430 comes, I know the jail is locked up.
SPEAKER_04It's like at least I'ma say I'ma say at least probably three, four times out at least three out of the week, I'm getting jail calls. Early on the daily. So it's like that reminder be right there.
SPEAKER_01Like that that's the reminder, like that them calls that come in. So so what did you what did what did you what did you eat the first what did you what was your first meal?
SPEAKER_04I had uh what I had I had a uh I think I had a Lamb burger, a Lamburger, some black beans. I went to my folks took me to a Mexican Lamburger, black beans, some uh uh sweet potato fries.
SPEAKER_01What's the biggest adjustment? Like I know, because you you went in what 2011, you say? 2008. 2008, so you go in 2008. You come home in 2020. You too, man, you fresh out. Cell phones is different, cars look a little different. What's the biggest adjustment for you when you got out?
SPEAKER_04Biggest adjustment uh phones like that that social media and all that because I wasn't yeah, that that that wasn't a thing for me anyway. I think when I felt like the first iPhone had just came up.
SPEAKER_01So you know, like you you're being home and you you're coming out, man, and you know, you uh how was that for you like seeing your daughters though?
SPEAKER_04It'd be like bittersweet. It'd be like bittersweet. I I'm always happy, but it's like always got that in my mind, like damn. Maybe this could have been a little different. You know, left them all that time, because you know, some people you know look at it like that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Some people that you can be on the streets and the kids may have some type of resentment towards you, so I can imagine going away during some time. Cause sometimes, you know, uh with kids, man, things can seep into their mind, or people can say certain things that can just cause them to you know, or they might or they might go through some stuff and might make them feel like I gotta I gotta find somebody to blame. And normally a lot of nine some out of ten is to it'd be it'd be dad. I don't know why it's like that. Like even when things is when things is all good, it's like you know, mom get more praise, and then when things is all bad, it's like dad. But we we built for it, you know what I'm saying? But um now you now you home now uh after after doing two years, no, no, no uh no type of probation, no nothing. Straight free. What's been the transition for you? Like, you know, because you know a lot of times it's difficult you come home, try to find work.
SPEAKER_04That that probably been the biggest hurdle for me because I never had a job before. Like my whole life I was in the streets. All I did was hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle. So that was that was that was really like like being patient with that. Yeah, that that that really was like the biggest, probably the biggest hurdle for me, like and not you know, going back into that mood, like man, I ain't because you know it's easy like then, like I I got responsibilities, I can't, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_07I know exactly what you mean. But you don't want to go back.
SPEAKER_04Nah, nah, it ain't worth it. Like it ain't, it ain't, I ain't, I ain't, I ain't, it ain't, it ain't, it ain't like especially it's like because like for me it's like it ain't gonna get no lighter for me.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04It's like I feel like like what? They're gonna try to make an example out of them.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and then you might never know the feds might pick up the case. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04That's another thing. I see, I see like people I know left and right getting picked up by the feds.
SPEAKER_01It was like because they want they're like he said, he said something to me, uh, made a lot of sense. He said that they already a federal pick a fed will pick up the case because they they know all right, you already got a jacket. So you got like locked up with the same stuff as you was doing before. So I'm gonna pick the case up, no matter if it was in the state or not, I'm gonna pick this up, and now we got this over here. So you and you can feel I'm guilty on this over here. Now I'm gonna talk about this. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna hit I'm gonna double down on this right here, right? Yeah?
SPEAKER_07Bill, but you only can do that in the feds, though. I'm saying they they get they they they pick up your they do it in the state. If you if he caught a state case, a gun case in the state, did that, the feds it'd be more easier for them to pick it up and convict them over there, but they ain't gonna double down on them. You gotta catch it twice in the feds. Oh, in the feds, okay. Okay, it can't be one state. Yeah, like no, no, mm-hmm. They still bust your ass out. But you, but you, no, dude, but your your paint your points, your points can't um Don't none of that travel with you when you in the feds. If you did state time, they don't they they system ain't the same as the state system at all.
SPEAKER_01I I feel you said they still count the points. I know I don't know.
SPEAKER_07No, you you start with a whole nother point sheet over here. Oh, okay. You there's a federal report sheet, you got a state point sheet. That point sheet still work if he goes back for another state conviction. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01Wow. That's what you're trying to get. Now, you know, you got um, you know, like you said, you come home, you see your daughters, and you just, you know, you just understand that there's something there that that that you think may have could been better if you was home or some type of resentment that possibly can uh um, you know, within them. But how is your relationship with them now?
SPEAKER_04It's pretty fair, but I I it's pretty fair. It ain't like I how I would wanted to how I would wanted to be. But I don't I try not to be one of them that like even though we missed that time, I don't try to make it like you still that little girl. I I'll let them live in their door. You see what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_11Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Y'all grown women now. So I try not to, you know. I I let them know like that. I'm here. I'm here. Whatever way you need me to be here, I'm here. But at the same time, I'm not gonna little girl you and make you feel like oh you gotta do this or you gotta do that.
SPEAKER_01Wow. So you might go to these phone lines, man. Um take a few a few phone calls, man. So people might want to talk to you, ask you some questions, man. Speak to you about, you know, your your time, you know, they you know. So uh the phone lines is open 215-316-4492, 215-316-449. So y'all want to talk to my guy Cut, man. Y'all want to speak to him and uh, you know, ask him some questions, man.
SPEAKER_07Let me ask you something, Cut. You ain't ever think about suing? Because they overturned that and say they falsely accused you. You ever did the lawyer ever contacted you about that? I'm definitely on it. Yeah, because that that that you was falsely accused of a homicide and convicted. Yeah, it's time to go ahead and get you a little big cake, man.
SPEAKER_01They're paying millions of dollars for that.
SPEAKER_07Oh my god, I wouldn't mind going up there for about seven. I wish I'd have dipped my 21 over there on a falsely convicted job.
SPEAKER_04It's like they can't even like get around it.
SPEAKER_07At all. At all. That's why they usually try to come at you. That's why I'm surprised they ain't come at you with the all right. Well, listen, we're gonna give you time, sorry, for this joint. As long as they got the secure the conviction, you can't sue. Yeah, but they straight overturned your joint, like, no, we this was a fall.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it was the feds, though. And it's crazy because right at this the judge that overturned my joint, I think she died right after that.
SPEAKER_07Right after that. Yeah. Yeah, you got you, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Then you got one judge that was forced to step down and one of them passed away. Uh right at the right at the shit. They both was black, but one was black, one was white. One was black, one was white. Wow. Yeah, y'all. 215-316-4492. The phone lines is open. Bill probably ain't paid. 316-4492. Yeah, man. What a call and talk the cut, man. Hey, so like you said, the phones, man, is different. Uh what else, man? Like, what else is different for you? Well, I say you came home and made a baby real quick. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but I I I I I ain't gonna I was praying for my son because I wanted a son.
SPEAKER_01Me too.
SPEAKER_04I wanted I wanted a sound like that. If you know, I die the day or tomorrow, at least one leave that. I at least wanna leave my leave, you know what I mean? Like, I I I definitely like I was I so I'm happy that I, you know, man. Yeah, but I definitely, I I definitely, and I it was I was on a fence like that, because I know I needed to get myself together after that. You know what I mean? But I'm like I'm like, I ain't no need to uh if I wake too late, then it's like I'm I might be just kicking on whatever I'm on.
SPEAKER_07How old are you right now?
SPEAKER_04I'm 41.
SPEAKER_0741?
SPEAKER_01Still got your hold your own, hey, you man. Yeah, you got a lot, you yeah, man. You still we man, like I tell people all the time, like my kids always tell I tell you, yeah, you're getting old because you I'm like, I'm man, I'm still young. I can still run three miles, I can you know, I can still work out, you know, I can still do so many different things. Like I'm still young, man.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I don't know, yeah. That's it, cause I cause I got a lot and I got a lot of grades, so people old man, old man.
SPEAKER_01Nah man, we still young, man.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, that joint on that joint don't bother me. Clearly, look, you still making making babies, man. I used to be working out, working out in the yard, niggas 2021. And they getting a medical card.
SPEAKER_012021 getting medical card. Oh phone call. Tell us my jealous, we speaking with Mar. What's up, Mar, where you calling from, bro? What's going on, man? You turn your TV down in the background. Oh, you right over there? Oh, sure. What's going on, man? I got what you gotta say to us today, bro.
SPEAKER_08I'm calling directly from Bah. So that's misinformation. That when you convicted an estate, it's not forgiveness out of the fairs. Your points don't go away. Say that again, then like when you say you're saying that the estates, you say you start all over.
SPEAKER_07No, I'm not saying start all over. I'm not saying start all over. I'm talking about the point system that they use in both entities. Yes, if you got felonies that still count towards your sentence, as far as and they can uh or they can double you up, they can give you career friendly, yes, they can. But they use a use a point system in the state and in the fellow. 100%. These are two different point systems that outside of the actual charges that you got charged with. You understand what I'm saying? Right. Okay.
SPEAKER_08I wouldn't just for people to know if you're already a convicted felon for the state.
SPEAKER_07They can give you a career offender. Yes, they can. They could come get you a career career. Exactly. Just because they could career.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's what I was saying. That's all that's basically what I was saying. I was like, I was talking about the court system careers though.
SPEAKER_07If you get certain.
SPEAKER_08They usually have it in the courtroom. Right. Where did you beat the case and them boys is back there? Mm-hmm. My brother, uh, I've been watching y'all for a long time. I support y'all. Thank you. Yes, we is, man. Thank you, man.
SPEAKER_01Thank you, man. My man. Enjoy your day.
SPEAKER_07Oh, yeah. So, like, they do like they they they use all the priors against you. Yeah, they can use your priors. Yo, you're a career criminal. Exactly. You caught two gun cases over there, and then they can go ahead and say, Yeah, this third one right here, let's go ahead and get that, because we can bobby more than y'all can. As far as in how we give out time.
SPEAKER_01Like, so if you like like if you caught if you went back in court, say you caught another state case, right? And God forbid, may I protect you from now? I don't know what I mean. But you caught a state case, and then the Feds decided that they was gonna pick it up because maybe it's save it with the same parameters of what you got convicted for before. Yes, to come and get that ASAP. They they might look at it like, oh, hold on. He so that might make it might entice them more.
SPEAKER_07Yes.
SPEAKER_01How I wonder how they notify that uh these type of cases to know when to come pick the cases up.
SPEAKER_07They probably got a scout. A license, yeah. Just to sit there and look at all, you know, they they got people in both of their departments that work together. Especially dudes that just first time getting locked up. Feds just take that from the state. If the feds ain't uh investigated first, oh no, we can work with that. We we need that. They got people that that's letting them know what's going on in both sides. But the feds overrule the state.
SPEAKER_01It's almost like they're hoping to get you so they can get you to tell them some other stuff. Well, I don't know about that, but I'm saying that's how that's how I seem like that's like it's like a it's like a like a web.
SPEAKER_07Because one thing about it, the state can't take no feds case from the feds. The feds take a case from the state. You ain't never hear the state, the feds go indict somebody and the state say, oh yeah, we want to get this. Yeah, that's it. Never never.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because it the the feds are are they they all over the United States in the state that you want. Um so yo, cut for you, like you know, do you see yourself go back to jail? Nah, I gotta ask that question because sometimes, you know, some people but some people ain't afraid to go back. Do you get impatient sometimes, no cut?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, uh something got to do with my family or something like that, and that's a no-brainer. I still don't see me. I still don't see me, yeah, man. Yeah. And I'm not gonna do what I got to do with my things. You understand what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, like I ain't gonna be reckless about it. Yeah, yeah, I ain't gonna be reckless about it. I get it.
SPEAKER_04I ain't gonna hold you like that. I despise jail so much, bro.
SPEAKER_01Like let's talk about these young bulls, man. Like you said, I know you've seen your fair share of little kids, because this is this is stuff that's going on, because we all got children. I got a 20-year-old, people got 20-year-old kids, we all got small children. We see these young bulls coming in these jails at an alarming rate. What's the youngest kid you seen coming there? Young, youngest young guy, young guy you seen coming upstate.
SPEAKER_04Upstate. 18. 18.
SPEAKER_01And what kind of sins did he have?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, like 20 to 40 or 35 to 70, something, something like that.
SPEAKER_01Wow. And the jails is filled with a lot of these young.
SPEAKER_04But I ain't when I my man hawk bind, he he he fell at a young age. Um, yeah, he had life, and you know, a lot just blessed him to overturn his situation.
SPEAKER_01Wow, so it's the it's happening. So, like he always talked about it too, like like he was he was on stereo just recently. He said, like, this is filled with a bunch of young kids. Like young, what you're saying, you like this a bunch of young kids with murders, shootings, all this stuff. And then you said they get in like 20s to 40s, 80, 60s, the 80s, uh, a bunch of time. And these is our children, these is our nephews, these is our neighbors, these is our our homie. Like, we got we got a we got a homie. His his son is uh one fighting a murder, the other one's fighting a murder, too. Yeah, it's like a crazy.
SPEAKER_07Well, he's just released for doing damn near 20 years in jail. And both of his sons is fighting murders. That's a wild demonstration, man.
SPEAKER_04That's crazy. That's crazy. And it's like they definitely they be looking at it like they could do the time. That's that's what get me like.
SPEAKER_01Why you think the young boys are so naive about it? Like, man, they don't know.
SPEAKER_07Everybody, it's not even young boys, it's everybody to go to jail. You don't realize that you're doing that time until you're about eight, nine years in. Like, damn, I got a dime in and I got a 35 year sentence. I ain't even bit into this motherfucker yet. Like, for real. Damn. I ain't even beginning, I ain't even halfway up the hill to even get up to the top to come back damn. That's the way to do it. But it will dawn, it will dawn on you. You will wake up one day and then be like, I'm in this joint with a bunch of fucking time, man.
SPEAKER_01But the but the thing too, another thing you we we see, like the a lot of young guys get, they may have did the crime, right? Yeah, and they may get a deal, like, you know, uh 10 years. And they like, no, I can't do no dime. And they go to trial and get hit with hit with a will. Yeah, because they're foolish.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_09That's they don't know, ain't they foolish?
SPEAKER_01Tell us with jails we're speaking with.
SPEAKER_09Oh, yeah, that's crane. What's up, the brother?
SPEAKER_01What's up, crane? Uptown crane. What's up, crane? What's up, ball? What's going on, man? What's up with you? Ball to that voice up, bro.
SPEAKER_09Uh oh, man, always tuned in, man. I appreciate that, man.
SPEAKER_01Thanks, man. I appreciate you, man.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, no doubt. No doubt. I actually got a cousin that did um that did like 35 years for a money that my other cousin did, that his brother did. You know what I'm saying? Like, he came home and I think he's trying to get paid from that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, man, tell me hit us up, man. Tell him to hit us up. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_09He got a hell of a story, man.
SPEAKER_01Okay. What's up? What's up what's up? What's up, what's up with how sounding them, man. How you doing? How you how your brother does?
SPEAKER_09Oh, yeah, um, well, you I've I've been living in Vegas the last four years, but um, everybody's been chilling for what I know, for what I've been hearing.
SPEAKER_01Oh, okay. That's what's up, man. That's what's up. All right, well, man, that's it, man. It's it's good, it's good to hear from you, man. Yo, yo, hit me, hit me up, hit me up on the gram and send me your number, bro. I want to reach out to you because I I got a crib in Vegas, too.
SPEAKER_09All right, appreciate you, man. All right, squad.
SPEAKER_01Um so yeah, man, like like he was saying, a lot a lot of time, the young bulls, man, they um they get you know, these offer these deals 10 years, 12 years, and then they turn it down. Like he was basically pleading with uh I don't know, I don't know. I thought he was saying that he was pleading with um a friend, a close friend of ours, but his son, like tell your son, like yo, take that, you know, and the son it's sound like I can't do that. I ain't doing no 12, I ain't doing no, I can't do it. But if you go up there and play with them people, man, yeah, something like that.
SPEAKER_04Like, like I ain't I know they try to offer me a 25 to 50. But you you ain't do it. I'm like, nah. It's a difference if you ain't do it. It's crazy because when I first went up, when I first went through the fort, all the oil is in there, and you should have took it, you should have took it. I'm like, I ain't make no sense, man. Like, why would I take it?
SPEAKER_01Like, but yo, uh uh, what's called saying the same thing.
SPEAKER_07Sometimes people take deals even if they did do it because they just they just well, it was it was the reason why he was saying they did it, because they just they just don't because like the life was sitting there looking at it like, damn, man, it came up with something sweet. Like, you know what, man, if you say five to ten, I take this chance of going in, especially if you ain't got no paid attorney or nothing like that. I couldn't, I could possibly lose this shit. All right, I got three years in already waiting to fight it. Come on, man, give it to me. And you ain't even did it.
SPEAKER_01Dang. So for you, cut, man, where can people reach out to you, man? I know you say you just come home two years, you ain't really too, you know. If they wanted to reach out to you, man, and uh, you know, just follow your story, man. You know, you know, we get that we get that that check soon, you know.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where can I be? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm I'm looking for here.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, he gonna he gonna he gonna run through it first, young boy right here. Young young boy right here gonna run through it.
SPEAKER_01Tell some of the jails, who you speaking with.
SPEAKER_00Yo, this is Jah from DC.
SPEAKER_01What's up, man? Shout out to DC. What's up, bro?
SPEAKER_00What's up with the man?
SPEAKER_01We chilling, man. Chilling, man.
SPEAKER_00I just got a question for uh for all y'all. Number one, I'm gonna say uh appreciate you, cut coming up and sharing your story, bringing your son and that joint and everything. It's just fire and we got a lot of good men in the chat that's that's fathers, so we appreciate you. My question is like, how do you avoid because we got a lot of fathers in the chat that's that's raising young boys? How you avoid your son like venturing off into the street when there's so many avenues that they can see it? You got YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, everybody promoting me in the street, nigga. How do you stop your kids from going down that path as a father? I think I'm gonna get out of here and y'all just answer that.
SPEAKER_04Okay, man. I think like for me, like like the whole thing, like for me, like I know, I know my my my my kids is a part of me. So I know what resonate with me. And I know I pay attention to my kids, so I know what resonate with them. So what might work for somebody else, kid, or for what might work for you, but might not work for them. You feel what I'm saying? So I got the I I like just being realistic. Being realistic, because I I'm I'm a I'm a I I could tell you and show you everything that you think you're gonna see out them streets. Like the beginning and the end. Like, because I done I done lived it.
SPEAKER_01I done lived it. And it's too because we got a lot of young guys that watch the podcast too. Like, y'all gotta listen to your parents, man. Listen to the people that that that been in there, that been in jail. If you listen to this podcast, this is real. We're trying to prevent you from going, like you said, this guy's up there with 18, it's 18 years getting 40s to 80s, and you know, a bunch of time. And these young guys, like he, like black said, they get 10 years in and like, dang, hold up. I got 10 years and I still gotta do 40 more to get out of here.
SPEAKER_07But but but not to cut you off, bro, but not just the parents, right? Figures, right? Because when I was when I was young growing up, I had a bunch of people telling me about the penal system and how they giving out time. But I was looking at them niggas as washed up old nut ass niggas. Them niggas that not just your parents, your parents first and foremost, but the old niggas is actually trying to tell you something that actually endured it. Them niggas is not lying. I thought they was lying. I thought they were scared, punk ass old niggas. No, boy, they had a different agenda. I was trying to listen to them more so than my parents. Because my parents ain't been through it. All they telling me is don't do wrong, don't do bad. They got a place for you. All right, yeah, all right. Well, ha ha, okay, you're supposed to listen to that because of your parents. But when you got dudes that you look up to and they willing to tell you something, take that to be true for what it is, too. Besides your parents.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's a hell of a message there right there, man. Because like you said, we don't our parents may have not been through it.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, so you yeah. Oh, the guys that the ones that you yeah, listen to, especially the ones that's willing to tell you, because a lot of old niggas is breaking along and doing dumb shit. They don't tell you they be mean, grumpy, they mad at life, they did 25 years. Yeah, they trying to manipulate you, see if they can benefit all of it. Exactly. But the ones like us, the men that's getting up here doing this, like us, man. Yeah, listen, take heed. We not lying to y'all, man. They close that door, man, and it's worse than death. You'd rather be dead than sitting in that joint, bro. Like I told you, you go do 20 years, man, that shit ain't over with, man. You're gonna do 15 to 20 years on the street after you do that 20 years, trying to get your life back in tech. And you still might not get it done in 15, 20 years.
SPEAKER_01And you may come home to nothing. Nobody to help you, no, no nothing. You know, you may come home, your mom can be going, your dad can be going, and there's nobody out here. We've seen people come over that can't come home to nothing. Not not just not no money financially, but that come home to no family members. Everybody didn't die while you was in while they was in jail. Yeah, that's terrible, man. That's terrible. So listen, y'all, man. Stay free, man. Stay safe. Hey, uh, where can they find you at where if they want to reach out to you?
SPEAKER_04On Instagram, Cuddy Cutty Kruger underscore 77. And uh and on TikTok, uh Cuddy Kruger Official underscore got him.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, y'all know y'all can follow us, man, on all platforms as well, man. Uh Tell us from the jails on IG. Um, you can also follow me. Now I got a I got an Instagram page. I just started too, y'all. So I'm gonna start. I got my own Instagram page and Black about to open up his as well. Uh um at uh Tolf Page1, I believe. That's where y'all can follow me on Instagram. I ain't got no posts on there yet, but I'm gonna have some posts real soon. Um, but yeah, y'all, man. Thank you, man.
SPEAKER_04Tab in. I got I got some music streaming too right now, man. Tab in.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, man, man. Cutty Kruger. Make sure y'all go check out Cuddy Cuddy Kruger, man. Hey, um, also, man, we also can be found on all platforms as well. Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeartRadio, uh, Amazon Music, um, you name it. We are on all platforms. And thank y'all, man, because the podcast is doing very, very well due to great stories like Cut Cut has it. You got great story, uh, great uh people like yourselves that's like actually listening to paying attention to the actual podcast. And I saw a comment that said, maybe we need to get into the schools. We are trying to do that. It's crazy. I was uh talking to my lawyer today, and my lawyer was mentioning to me that um somebody had mentioned the podcast to him, and they showed the podcast to him, and he was like, Oh, I know that guy. And then he was like, damn. And he was like, maybe y'all should get into school. So once the schools uh start back up in September, uh, we will be very active in going around to these schools. And not only just to uh, you know, elementary schools, high schools, but we will be walking into colleges and stuff too and speaking about prison, and they really want to hear uh black stories. So I thank y'all for tuning into us, man. I almost want to say y'all, like it's the weekend, it's Friday, man. You know, if you go if you can lock them on Friday, you won't get out until Monday. You might be in it a whole weekend, man.
SPEAKER_07Ain't no might about it. You're gonna be in there the whole weekend. Yeah, you might it's it's hard. Make sure you can stand it, and don't get in there and start talking about Batifa and cleaning them. No, we try and tell your ass now, yeah, respectfully, not disrespectfully, respectfully. Don't mess somebody else's family and life up, yeah, man.
SPEAKER_01And if you ride in that car, man, they about to do something dumb, man. Get out the car, man. Don't be afraid to get out the car. Do not be afraid to be Cuba Gooden Jr.
SPEAKER_07inside of Boys in the Hood. Let me out. Let me out, though. That's what he told him. Takes his left, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Tell us from the jail. So we're speaking with Little Legum.
SPEAKER_02This the boy's little mollet, man. I just want to share.
SPEAKER_01We got another one coming up real soon, man. What's going on?
SPEAKER_02Just a test based on the schools. If y'all want to if y'all ever want to know, I got my own work at a uh school with not how it was, so for oh for real?
SPEAKER_01So what would what you would you can do me a favor? If you can uh hit us up on IG and see information over if it's cool, uh ask your uh Uma, we can contact her. We definitely want to start, you know, doing a school run in September. You know, so we want to make sure you want to hit as many as many schools as possible for sure.
SPEAKER_02No doubt.
SPEAKER_01All right, man. Thanks, man. I appreciate that, man.
SPEAKER_02No doubt. Anything else?
SPEAKER_01Anything else you got for your last call. Anything else you got for us?
SPEAKER_02Uh no, just stay free, man. I guess, man. I'll do that.
SPEAKER_01I'm doing that, man. All right, man.
SPEAKER_02Listen, I got off the papers today. That's a good thing.
SPEAKER_01So man, congrats, bro. Make sure you stay, man. Listen, how old are you?
SPEAKER_02Uh 30.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, man. 32. You are you you you you're a young man, man. You got nothing but you know, uh, a lot of time ahead of you, man, and inshallah. So make sure you you you know you use your time wisely, man, and you stay focused, man, and stay free, man. And you and listen, man, and your youth use it, man. Use your mind, your mental, man. Yeah, and stay focused, man. Be careful with the company you keep, man. All right. All right, appreciate you, man. Enjoy your enjoy your night, nephew. So all they come. Yeah, man. So, yeah, man. Thank y'all, man, for tuning in, man. Anything you want else you want to say before we get up out of here, young? You say it all. Okay, man. Anything else you want to say, Cut before we get up out of here?
SPEAKER_04I'm good, man. Appreciate y'all, man. Appreciate you for coming through, man.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, coming through and sharing your story, man. It's a hell of a story, man. LS y'all, thank y'all for tuning in, man. It's Tells from the Jails. We up by