Holy Week in Hollywood: The Venice Pulse Easter Special

Holy Week in Hollywood: The Venice Pulse Easter Special

In this special Easter episode, Sandy, Chuck & Jim discuss a bizarre mix of topics, with their usual dose of wit and curiosity that you won’t find anywhere else. They dive into the origins of Easter, Mary Magdalene’s true role in Christianity and the current political upheaval both in the USA (Trump and Amendment 25) and right here in L.A. (with many stores closing due to high rents). The trio then go on to discuss the drama behind the iconic Star Trek interracial kiss, before sharing funny anecdotes about Hollywood legends like Jay Leno, Alec Baldwin and Sally Field. Sandy then explains how she missed a chance to audition for Love Boat. The episode then finishes with the curious tale of the Venice Beach grunion run, mention of Weezer’s surprise pop-up gig at Hinano, and Jim coming out as a furry!

Venice Pulse is a podcast focusing on Venice Beach and beyond. It is hosted by Venice residents Sandy Clark and Chuck Whobrey. Sandy has been on the cutting edge of both written and televised journalism for the last 30 years. Her credits include NHK, CBC, ABC, BBC, AMI (various publications), the Daily Mail and the Westside Current. 

Originally from the UK, Chuck was once on the BBC's Newsnight talking about "Ecstasy". Besides that, he has no qualifications whatsoever when it comes to hosting a current affairs type show! 

Jim Buck used to host a cultural radio show on WBAI New York. He now resides in Los Angeles where he is a full-time writer and part-time political commentator. 

Intro Music: "Trip" by DJ Nick "Feesch" Wilson 

You can also watch "Venice Pulse" on YouTube. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:07

Welcome everybody. This is the Easter episode.

SPEAKER_03 0:11

Happy Easter Monday.

SPEAKER_00 0:12

Happy Easter Monday. Yeah, we had Jim here with us for the Christmas episode, so it was only right. Oh really? Yeah. Did I bring presents? Uh yeah. You came down the chimney. Yeah. I remember that.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Oh, I came through that uh heating vent thing over there. Yeah, something like that.

SPEAKER_00 0:28

Something like that.

SPEAKER_03 0:29

So remember when you thought there was a bird stuck in our chimney?

SPEAKER_00 0:33

There was it was a lot of noise coming down.

SPEAKER_03 0:35

That really freaked me out.

SPEAKER_00 0:36

You have a chimney? Yeah. Oh yeah, it's there. Doesn't work. What? Did it freak you out in a sort of Damien omen too?

SPEAKER_03 0:43

No, it freaked me out that two things. Something was gonna come through. Like a bird. Something like I don't know, some creature. And the other one was like Well, a bird.

SPEAKER_00 0:55

That's what the attention would have been.

SPEAKER_03 0:57

That's kind of weird. And the other one was like, should I save the bird? Like maybe the bird was dying in there.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

Have you seen the movie The Birds?

SPEAKER_03 1:07

I have.

SPEAKER_01 1:08

Yeah. That that's what I would be thinking of. I have.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

The first collaboration that Sandra and I ever did was a documentary about the Blood Lion March in Los Angeles about 15, 10, 15 years ago. And the star of the that event was Tippy Hedry.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

I was gonna say Tippi Hedry.

SPEAKER_03 1:32

And I got to interview her.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

And she's the mother of um Melanie Griffin. Yeah, Melanie Griffin. Well, you got to interview her.

SPEAKER_03 1:38

She gave me the best quote that I have I've stole from her. And she said, Why do we need to have any wild animal behind bars? We never had dinosaurs get behind bars and we know everything about them.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

I think God had not invented bars uh when dinosaurs were around.

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:01

I mean, God invented everything, invented Easter.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

It was the Vikings, I think.

SPEAKER_01 2:09

Well, no, what I was saying about that uh is that um, you know, all these people like to be so manly and like to be so supremacist, and yet the the name of their religion is OES T-R-E, Oyster, Easter. And it's the name of a female goddess. Yeah, the name of a female goddess is the name of their religion. At least that's what I I've researched and uh put in my books. Yeah. I think it's OES T-R-E. That makes total sense. Yes. So I mean the name That makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 2:43

Wait, who would have come up?

SPEAKER_01 2:46

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 2:47

So do you think that they did that because they know how important Mary Magdalene is?

SPEAKER_01 2:52

Well, no, I don't think it had anything to do with Mary Magdalene, but it had to do with the goddess cultures that existed in that part of in the Middle East, in that part of the world, uh way back I think the Vikings were not they were later than that. Uh but uh there was a ring that was found, and this is gonna lead into the rest of it. But there was a a ring that was found in a Viking burial site that had the name Allah engraved in it. Oh wow. It was a golden ring, and it had the name Allah engraved in it. And I didn't bring anything with me to prove that because I didn't think that that thought would come out.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

When was it found?

SPEAKER_01 3:25

Uh I think it was found um uh I'll give a a time period from like 40 years ago to yesterday or something like that. And who's two years ago? Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 3:35

Well, whose do they think it is?

SPEAKER_01 3:36

Aaron Ross Powell It belonged to somebody, some Viking person, but I wasn't prepared for that. So I didn't.

SPEAKER_00 3:43

Just make it up or guess, because I've I fact check everything on here. Oh, you do? And if we get it wrong, I just uh delete it. If we get it wrong, he just ignores it. If people are watching this, then it must be true.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

Yes, that that that's a good slogan, actually. You should put that at the bottom of the screen.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

All right. Okay, can I say one thing though about Easter? What I've never figured out in this country, so we live in this very religious country.

SPEAKER_01 4:07

Um I want to make sure I got that in the frame of the uh camera.

SPEAKER_00 4:13

Okay, England or UK, Easter's the second biggest holiday of the year. So you've got bank holiday, Good Friday is a bank holiday. Today, Easter Monday is a public holiday.

SPEAKER_02 4:24

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

Um whereas here you've got a country that is built on religion. You know, certainly with their power and influence. You know.

SPEAKER_01 4:35

And I would say greed uh is probably above religion, but okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:40

No, but the point is, come Easter, it it could just be another Friday and another. I went out here.

SPEAKER_03 4:46

I went out on Easter. You'd never know it was a holiday because everyone was working. I was so surprised that all the stores were open.

SPEAKER_01 4:55

Well, Jersey Mike's. I went to Jersey Mike's last night and they were closed. And I thought it was because of tariffs or something. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, but they were closed. Well, no, because it totally upended my whole uh Sunday night expectation. But uh I guess that's I do think that's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 5:10

It is. And even on Sunday, our president his Easter message actually finished with Praise be to Alex. Yeah, he's converted.

SPEAKER_01 5:17

He's a he's a Muslim. He's going to become an Imam.

SPEAKER_00 5:19

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:21

Well, I just want to know where the Easter bunny came from.

SPEAKER_01 5:24

Aaron Ross Powell Uh that's a good question, too. Maybe Walt Disney?

SPEAKER_03 5:28

No. No.

SPEAKER_01 5:29

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 5:30

Maybe that's Australian.

SPEAKER_01 5:31

It could be Celtic. A lot of things that we don't even know about are Celtic. It's gotta be Celtic.

SPEAKER_03 5:36

Wait, was Celtic again?

SPEAKER_01 5:37

Celtic is the uh ancient tribes uh throughout Europe and uh England, Ireland, cool. I don't know if it's good.

SPEAKER_00 5:43

Yeah, well sure goes back to the Vikings to a degree.

SPEAKER_01 5:46

But they were a competitor of the Vikings.

SPEAKER_03 5:48

Wait, what was the religion?

SPEAKER_00 5:49

But then they kind of The Vikings, it was interbred and OES T-Re. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 5:55

O-S-T-R-E?

SPEAKER_01 5:56

Yeah. OES-T-R-E. They had a female name for their religion. Oh I would look it up, but my phone is uh So this is before Christ. No, it's after Christ, I think. But still, the name existed uh in a Germanic religion. I think it was Germanic. The Vikings Germanic kind of.

SPEAKER_03 6:18

I want to ask a very important question.

SPEAKER_01 6:20

Go on.

SPEAKER_03 6:21

Who came up with the word God?

SPEAKER_01 6:24

Oh, that goes back. If you read the book When God was a woman, uh the word kadishu, Q-A-D-I-S-H-T-U.

SPEAKER_03 6:30

Of course you would know.

SPEAKER_01 6:32

Is the uh ancient precursor for the word goddess and kadishu. The word exists today in the name of the capital city of Somalia, Mogadishu, without the T on the end. Uh so Gadishtu meant holy woman, a woman who's a priestess in a in a temple, the Akkadian or Sumerian, I think it was Akkadian, um religion. And God meant holy, and God exists today. Akkadian, uh it's there. Uh but God meant holy, and I think it was just holy as sometimes words take on new meaning over the A. Wait, so was God was the word goddess first and then God from the No, I think goddess was derived from Godishtu. Goddish Right, Godishtu.

SPEAKER_03 7:20

But then from Godishtu, was it goddess or god? Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

I think it was both.

SPEAKER_03 7:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 7:25

But uh I think when Judaism became a patriarchal only religion, because Judaism had um goddesses. Uh Ashtarith was her name, I believe. Aaron Ross Powell, Jr. What support you're reading at the moment, Sandra?

SPEAKER_03 7:40

Mary Magdalene revealed.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

Mary Magdalene was a very important person in Christianity who has not gotten her due. It wasn't until 1969 that the Catholic Church came out and said, sorry, she was never a prostitute. We just let it go on for all these centuries. Yeah. We just let it go on for all these 69.

SPEAKER_03 8:00

Who said that?

SPEAKER_01 8:00

The Catholic Church. The Catholic Church let it be believed that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. And if you look at the um the film that Martin Scorsese did uh with uh Last Temptation of Christ.

SPEAKER_03 8:15

I've never seen that.

SPEAKER_01 8:16

Barbara Hershey portrays Mary Magdalene and she's a prostitute with a long line of guys waiting to come in in more ways than one.

SPEAKER_03 8:25

So that like Martin Scorsese directed that?

SPEAKER_01 8:28

Yeah, and that was based on a book, a novel that had been written by a I think a Greek author, I can't remember his name. And uh she was a prostitute in that, and you know, even though the Catholic Church had said that no, she wasn't a prostitute, because I think Scorsese wanted to adhere to the book, he he he let it be in. You know, so Peter was very jealous of Mary Magdalene because Christ had a uh Jesus had a uh better relationship with her. He loved her more as a disciple than uh he loved uh I mean he said some nasty things to Peter. Why are you so dumb, basically?

SPEAKER_03 9:03

Uh and Wait, what Bible do you have?

SPEAKER_01 9:05

There are three different books that uh when Christ rises, in one of the books, Mary Magdalene, I think, is the first one to see him after he rises from the dead. And then there are other versions uh in which uh Peter and the other guys go and are the first to see Christ or something like that. Uh anyway. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 9:27

Well, didn't she write scripture?

SPEAKER_01 9:29

She didn't write anything to my knowledge, no.

SPEAKER_03 9:31

Oh, well, according to the book she did.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

Oh, really? What was it what were the scriptures? It wasn't the uh I don't know. It wasn't the one where uh she and Jesus had a baby and went to France, the the black That's the Da Vinci code. That's the Da Vinci Code, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:45

She didn't write the Da Vinci code and she's I want to see the Da Vinci Code.

SPEAKER_00 9:48

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:49

See how my mind works. Yeah, just get the whole dart back, dart, dart, darting around every subject.

SPEAKER_00 9:55

Exactly, exactly. But anyway, so well, happy Easter. Happy Easter. And you know what? Easter. And I I I salute you, Jim, because Jin ha came with a load of notes here to talk about all kinds of things. Okay, we couldn't talk about it. And Easter and the Easter bunny and Mary Magdalene wasn't actually one of them.

SPEAKER_01 10:11

Well, I didn't know we were going to talk about Mary Magdalene uh until and she's one of my favorite topics. I have several books about her.

SPEAKER_03 10:18

Why do you like her so much?

SPEAKER_01 10:19

Well, number one, because um what she stood for was um something that was not allowed back then, really. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 10:25

What did she stand for?

SPEAKER_01 10:26

Feminism, if that's a word that I can attribute to uh her. I mean, she was a strong female presence. Okay. And if Jesus did um like her over the other disciples, as I think Peter believed, uh then uh that makes her a very special person, and there should have been a lot more that was known about her, but knowledge about her, knowledge of her, was suppressed, and she was not allowed to be one of the um disciples. Yeah, the the disciples that went on to, you know, the twelve disciples that went on to lead the the twelve tribes.

SPEAKER_00 11:01

What was the script you wrote? What was it called again? I read it. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_01 11:04

It was called The Way. The Way. I didn't know that the Way was already out there as a description of the religion that they were how they referred to the religion at the time.

SPEAKER_00 11:16

For people who don't know, which is basically everybody except for me, uh Jim wrote a script called The Way, which was about um Jesus and essentially the women.

SPEAKER_01 11:26

Trevor Burrus, Jr. The women in Jesus' ministry because it was Joanna and Susanna who uh paid for Jesus' ministry to exist. There were two British women uh in their uh 50s who did a documentary uh looking at the uh women in Jesus ministry. And and uh, you know, it it was very illuminating uh because number one, not being raised with religion and yet being surrounded by it, uh I had never even heard anybody talk about Mary Magdalene, let alone Joanna and Susanna. And uh I believe that Paul refers to um Joanna and her husband, can't remember his name, but he refers to Joanna in a different name because they were, I think, trying to hide their identity because for safety reasons? For safety reasons.

SPEAKER_00 12:16

And if I could remember or they actually are part of the you say a part of the ministry. They were just in his circle. They weren't any one of those. They weren't given any power.

SPEAKER_01 12:25

But I I think that women healing women was the only thing that could happen back then because uh a man was not a allowed to touch a woman, if I'm remembering this. You know, so you couldn't you couldn't have Peter go and and heal the uh wife of some person or a little girl or something like that. You know, it was male on male, female on female.

SPEAKER_03 12:45

Oh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

And that's what I believe it was.

SPEAKER_03 12:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 12:48

But I don't know a hundred percent because you should do that movie.

SPEAKER_03 12:51

I'd see it.

SPEAKER_01 12:52

Well, I mean it's not up to me.

SPEAKER_00 12:54

Uh but uh well, I've read the script and it's qu it's actually uh quite gripping. So if anyone wants to uh out there any budding filmmakers want to read it out there, uh DM DM me. I've still got it on my phone. Yeah. Wherever my phone is, it's still on there somewhere. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:10

Can you talk about Ganesh? No.

SPEAKER_01 13:12

Kaddishtu?

SPEAKER_03 13:14

Ganesh.

SPEAKER_01 13:14

No. There were Ashra poles that were uh still uh around back then.

SPEAKER_03 13:18

Ganesh is a different time and a different country. Well, it's the goddess of the Asian culture.

SPEAKER_01 13:25

Oh, really? Wow. Oh, that's Indian. She's an elephant.

SPEAKER_03 13:29

No, that's Ganesh.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

Oh, okay. Oh, I understand.

SPEAKER_03 13:32

No, I'm talking about Quan Yen.

SPEAKER_01 13:35

That sounds Korean. Is that Scientology?

SPEAKER_03 13:39

No.

SPEAKER_01 13:40

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 13:40

Quan Yen. I love Quan Yen. She's she's a goddess.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

Of what culture?

SPEAKER_03 13:47

Asia.

SPEAKER_00 13:48

No, but this is the thing.

SPEAKER_03 13:50

She of like she's like the Mother Mary of Asia. Oh, really? Kwan Yen. Just saying her name Quan Yen makes me happy.

SPEAKER_01 13:58

It sounds very Japanese.

SPEAKER_00 13:59

See, that's just that's just the kind of add-ons, really, because you know, essentially all these religions are all the same kind of figures, just told in different traditions and different ways. Isn't isn't the Jesus figure in a number of different religions.

SPEAKER_01 14:13

Well, I mean, um I don't want to get in trouble here. Yes, you do. But uh the uh flood story uh is taken from uh here I'm gonna get the Noah's Ark? Yeah, Noah's Ark, yeah. Is taken from um I can't remember, but it it's a Babylonian thing. And then uh Atra Atrahasis or something, if I can look it up real quick. I love Noah's Aaron. Is the Adam and Eve story uh a culture that preceded uh Hebrew culture? And uh so if they were adopting these uh stories because they were um popular in certain cultures and they wanted to have their version of that, you know. What?

SPEAKER_03 14:57

I have a question.

SPEAKER_01 14:58

Okay. Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_03 14:59

How does anyone know about Adam and Eve if they weren't there?

SPEAKER_01 15:03

Oh, well then there you go. Well Cain and Abis. Did she bite the author and it was probably Abel's murder trial in which Atrahasis, yeah, Atrahasis. Well, these are just stories that have been passed down through years and then they're not gonna be on. Yeah, okay. Well, literally. They take the the myths literally, but they don't take Jesus literally. You know, because if they took Jesus literally, the f uh first and second commandment would be obeyed because they are commandments, not suggestions or they're commandments. What's the commandments? The first one is uh love God with all your mind, body, and soul. And the second commandment is love your neighbor as yourself, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I mean the blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

So were you both so moving on slightly, were you both disappointed that Trump didn't have a traditional Easter message? Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 15:52

You mean uh well, maybe he came out with one.

SPEAKER_00 15:54

Well, he did. He came out open the straight, you crazy bastards. Praise be to Allah. We're gonna bomb the bridges and the power plants, I think.

SPEAKER_01 16:04

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

Yeah, um, which is not maybe he like the Pope's sort of message over at the Vatican, you know, which was a lot more sort of um forgiving and maybe he wrote something on Truth Social. Did you put the F word in there when you just repeated what he said?

SPEAKER_03 16:20

He used to be a good one. I think so.

SPEAKER_00 16:22

I think so. Yeah, you can swear on this. Oh, yeah, yeah. There's a box. There's a box. No, well we're not, because we're kid friendly. Oh, we are. That's our biggest audience. I say if anyone's actually listening to this, right? If you if you stuck with us this far, and we've got a long way to go, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:40

Um thanks. But yeah, so anyway, we have a mad president. So do you think that the 25th is going to be social invoked.

SPEAKER_03 16:48

Okay, first of all, explain the 25th amendment for people that don't know.

SPEAKER_01 16:53

Oh, I'm not the expert, but uh we looked at it a little earlier, and basically it's um the vice president and uh a majority of the cabinet or a majority of Congress says that uh the the president is incapacitated or dead, and therefore there's the line of succession, right? And uh we I certainly cannot see a majority of the cabinet or a majority of the uh Congress saying that the president is incapacitated through really crazy uh actions or words or anything to be able to uh bring themselves to invoking the 25th Amendment. Why was this brought up? Trevor Burrus Well, I mean everybody's been bringing it up. I first brought it up in 2017. Uh you know, the signs of growing dementia were there back then. I think they were there in twenty fifteen. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 17:47

They had some expert or some leading specialist in dementia was listing all the things today. Oh, really? That's wrong mentally with Trump. Uh-huh. And that's all the signs of dementia and what were those some of them?

SPEAKER_01 18:04

Oh, I don't know. The rambling, uh uh incoherent talk, jumping from subject to subject. There was one thing that shocked me. A long time ago during the campaign, he had a campaign event, and rather than talking to the audience, he just decided to listen to music and he was just swaying back and forth. And to me, that's like, you know, nobody does that in a campaign stop. They just listen to music. And you could tell the people who were with him on stage were just dumbfounded. It's like, what's going on here? What are we doing? And I think that that lends itself to the perception that there's something wrong. Because if he has all that power, I mean, he he was the candidate, he was the president. If he wants to stop the show, he's gonna stop the show, and everybody has no choice but to go along with it.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

But you're saying, Charles, you're saying that his recent truth social posts are which is quite obviously a post of someone not fit for office at the United States.

SPEAKER_01 19:04

Well, as I said, I wonder, did Stephen Miller write that?

SPEAKER_00 19:07

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:08

Because it doesn't end with uh uh thank you for your attention to this matter, which is how Trump traditionally ends his uh posts. I don't want to call them truths. Okay. I think he made that name up on purpose.

SPEAKER_03 19:20

But why would Stephen Miller write that? Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_01 19:21

Because he supposedly is is behind a lot of what Trump does, not only the immigration policy, but otherwise, Stephen Miller. I would believe that Stephen Miller would have an opinion about what's going on in Iran since he is Deputy Chiefs of Staff. I've been why as I told Charles, I've been watching uh the West Wing recently, and Josh Lyman would be the Stephen Miller.

SPEAKER_02 19:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:41

Bradf Bradf Bradford Whitley, Bradley Whitford, yes. So yeah. And um, okay.

SPEAKER_03 19:48

So from percentile, what are the chances do you think of it?

SPEAKER_01 19:54

I'll say twenty five to forty.

SPEAKER_03 19:58

What do you say?

SPEAKER_02 19:59

That's good. That's good.

SPEAKER_01 20:00

Well, it's not enough. But yeah. I mean, maybe things have to get worse. Maybe he has to drop a nuke on uh Tehran or wherever it's gonna be. Well, at that point it'll be too late, wouldn't it? Well, it would be, but maybe not. You know, I mean it's such a uh a nasty situation that we are in.

SPEAKER_03 20:15

Aaron Powell So m another question I have with regards to this is when was the last time that was at the 25th Amendment? I don't think ever.

SPEAKER_01 20:25

I don't think ever. Maybe during Reagan's time it was talked about by Democrats or or by progressives or liberals or whatever, because he was showing signs of uh Nixon. No. Uh Reagan. Did I say Nixon? No, you didn't.

SPEAKER_03 20:40

But it would have been used when Nixon was No, Nixon didn't show signs of dementia as much of a Trevor Burrus.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

The twenty-fifth is if you're not fit to be president.

SPEAKER_01 20:49

And he was a crook, so in certain people's opinions, a crook is not fit to be president, but he was not insane. And maybe he was, because we don't know enough about mental resources. Well, that's that's uh that's another topic altogether. You can't give a 25th amendment, I don't think, for somebody committing a crime. Otherwise, it would have been uh a reason for them not to even uh enter uh the race. You know, if you've been convicted of a crime during your presidency, is what I mean. Aaron Ross Powell Well well he's already been forgiven for that. The Supreme Court paved the way for that out. He cannot be held responsible. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 21:26

Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

Uh or legally, uh you know, no punishment or or any other thing.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

So where do we go? What do we do? Trevor Burrus, Jr. Well, like I said, I think J.D. Vance must have had I'll be my mind would be blown if he if sometime over the last twenty four hours he has not had a conversation with somebody about this. Now I didn't realize, I thought it was Congress who voted, but you said it's the inner cabinet who votes. Yeah. So that makes me think it's probably not going to happen.

SPEAKER_01 21:54

Aaron Powell I think primarily it's the inner cabinet and then the Congress can, but l the Congress, you know. They're they're barely able to get TSA right, uh how are they going to be able to get 25th Amendment right?

SPEAKER_00 22:05

Right.

SPEAKER_01 22:05

So we're really stuck.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

Well, no, no. The reason the reason you've got a chance with Congress is because right now in the midterms in November, they're going to get steamrolled. Trevor Burrus, Jr. Which brings us to the stream. Whereas if you could have President Vance, who knows, they might get more Republican seats. Trevor Burrus, Jr.: But that brings us to our next topic.

SPEAKER_01 22:26

And I've said that before here. Are there going to be midterms? Because the conversation has recently turned to uh well, I should say it this way. Timothy Snyder uh uh said that uh Trump is uh using the $1.5 trillion military budget as a bribe for uh the um people in the Pentagon who he is replacing the people that he's fired, or Heggseth has fired, um, as a way of um bringing about a coup, a military coup, and Trump would be the strongman. Oh. So if that happens, there are going to be any midterms. And if there's nobody left in the Pentagon to um take seriously the oath uh to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic, then there won't be any midterms. If there's no midterms, it will be a bloodless coup. Um that's probably how it would happen. And that's how it would happen.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

And then you have to wonder the people who are uh Okay, this is gonna get into another topic, which you may want to edit out. Just go, just go with it. Uh that brings us to the question of what about the people who are becoming uh increasingly upset that are MAGA-friendly or MAGA themselves, like Alex Jones is is today was upset about uh the nuclear aspect of Trump's capabilities and the need to take him out now. Oh, I mean take him out the door. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh because of his dementia and his nuclear possibility. But what my point is, is that uh people who did you ever see Red Dawn movie? I think you ever see Red Dawn? I think Pat was Patrick Swayze in the I don't know. Anyway, it was about Russian troops um Invading America. Invading America in I think Denver, Colorado. It was in the middle of the country or something like that. So what you had was all these people who had guns, gun rights uh people who were were defending the country the best they could. Okay. I saw it a long time ago, and again, as with most things with my memory, I've forgotten it. Um but um there is such a thing as Red Dawn conservatives, and they are gun rights people. And so if there were to become as you were saying, you think if a woman is going to become president in America, she's going to be Republican. So it stands also to reason, perhaps, that if there's going to be any uh armed conflict with Trump, it's perhaps going to come from red-dawn conservatives or MAGA gun rights activists, people who see their farms going, they see their jobs going, they they just, you know, uh their mother or their father or their social security has been taken or whatever. Whatever the cause is, is that there's uh a certain uh But who are they gonna act against? Trevor Burrus Well, that's what I was trying to figure out in my mind right before I was saying it. But it could be that they threaten. Aaron Ross Powell Okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:27

So okay. So here's scenario. Say there's no elections. Uh everything So what happens then in January next year?

SPEAKER_01 25:33

Aaron Ross Powell Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:34

That's a good question. Aaron Powell, and then what and what happens to your average farmer? Most of them are probably Well, besides the plight of a farmer anyway.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

Trevor Burrus, Jr. I think the plan for farms is to corporatize everything. You remember the big short, the movie The Big Short. At the end of the movie, it says that the people who shorted uh Wall Street for the bailout or whatever it was are now working on drinking water, controlling drinking water. So maybe they've gone from beyond drinking water to housing. You have all these uh Wall Street people, and I can't remember the name of the type venture capitalist, perhaps is what it is. They're buying up residential neighborhoods, uh. If they're buying farms and they want to control food. So essentially what they want is they want to get everybody by the throat and control every aspect of human life. Aaron Powell I know.

SPEAKER_00 26:23

And I have to interrupt. And these very same corporations now own pretty much all of downtown Santa Monica, which is just full of completely unaffordable spaces that shop ownership. Oh, really? The promenade you mean? Yeah, the promoter. It's the moor, Santa Santa Monica Third Street. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:42

I mean it's not empty, but Santa Monica Place, that's it.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

Yeah. And Third Street Promethe.

SPEAKER_03 26:46

Oh yeah. Santa Mon not Third Street Promenade. Well Santa Monica Place, definitely. There's not there used to be I remember.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

You know, that was my first job. It wasn't I came face to face with Alec Baldwin there.

SPEAKER_03 26:57

Oh, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

In a luggage store, winer's luggage. Oh, really? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:00

Well, it's just It's empty. It's empty. Why? Because it's too expensive? Why is it empty?

SPEAKER_00 27:07

So I'm just thinking of Alec Baldwin now. I'm like that's just that's just a whole other story on that, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 27:13

Well, it was a situation where it was um it was Christmas season, and I was turning around to go do something, and here's Alec Baldwin standing. It's like I was in his way, he was in my way. It was like one of the you go this way, I'll go that way, you know. And and so, you know, I went on to do what I had to do, and he went shopping and whatever. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:32

So so in the space of an hour, Jim, you've told me you've had an interaction with Alec Baldwin and Michael Palin. Yes, I never knew about.

SPEAKER_01 27:39

Yeah, Michael Palin, yeah, one of my favorites.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

Yeah. But anyway, returning to Santa Monica Place and Third Street Promenade, what's really annoying is they just have you've basically got these corporations who now own everything. But you've now got a downtown that's barren. There's no one there. Nobody goes shopping. Because no one can afford I mean it's not helped, I guess, by the way. Because nothing's there.

SPEAKER_01 28:03

Well, I think it's also because Amazon has just taken everybody's business away.

SPEAKER_00 28:06

That's true. But then look at places like Century City Moor or the Grove. They still do really well. Oh, really? And the rents are half the price there that they are.

SPEAKER_03 28:14

So you've got to be I think it's also the homeless problem. Yeah. You know, Century City, it's safe. And you you you don't have to step over somebody or worry so much. Um Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:27

Who was I telling? I I used to my second job was uh Carlisle Stationers on Santa Monica uh Promenade. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 28:34

I love that place.

SPEAKER_01 28:35

And that's where I met uh the son of Satan.

unknown 28:38

What?

SPEAKER_01 28:39

I met the son of Satan. Damien. No, I can't remember. I didn't know if he had a name other than Son of Satan, but he was a crazy homeless guy. He was obviously somebody, an aged hippie who had done way too many drugs back in the 60s and the 70s and the 80s. And by the end I told him, Well, how can you be the son of Satan? Because Satan is a spirit. Satan is not, you know, a a fleshly person. Uh how can you be uh the son of? And I had him so confused by the end that he just basically walked away. And I don't know if Satan is only a spirit or Satan can be uh a fleshly person because I don't really Rosemary's baby was flesh. Yeah, so was Damien's. But those are those are fictional creations. Uh do we do we give them credence?

SPEAKER_03 29:27

What they were? Damien was really creepy.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

That was Roman Polanski, right? It was. It was.

SPEAKER_00 29:35

That was a great film.

SPEAKER_03 29:36

Wait, was that Damien?

SPEAKER_00 29:38

Look where it was set.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

No, that was Rosemary's Baby.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

You had The Omen. Then you had Damien Omen 2. Those movies. And then it got really bad. You had like a load of the R. Damien Damien Meets Jones after that. Damien in 3D. Yeah. And then Rosemary's Baby, but that was before any of those.

SPEAKER_01 29:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:53

So which was all around about the time of The Exorcist as well.

SPEAKER_01 29:55

Well, The Exorcist was the classic.

SPEAKER_00 29:59

Well, it was good horror films back then. Because you had like, you know, it was prop horror.

SPEAKER_03 30:02

It was the devil. Amityville. I don't like those.

SPEAKER_01 30:05

I read the book Amityville Horror. That scared the hell.

SPEAKER_00 30:07

Yeah, but but now a horror film's like what we're watching on Netflix, it's kind of like it's like some kind of psycho parents who live in the woods who you go and visit. Do you know what's the thing about watching something very bad? Or The Mountain Gretel? Yeah. You know? Or get out, that film. It's all that's it's all a bit more, it's too real.

SPEAKER_03 30:23

I I prefer that much more to freaking demons living in your house.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

Yeah, but when they're done well, those films are really good. Do you know what actually Alexander wanted to watch? He's told me he wants to watch 2001 as Space Odyssey.

SPEAKER_03 30:39

Oh, well, that's nice. That's encouraging.

SPEAKER_00 30:40

And my connection there is I'm thinking of Stanley Kubrick, who did The Shining, of course. Um, I'm thinking, yeah, now you're venturing into uh Heavy, heavy territory. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:51

I want to see that.

SPEAKER_01 30:52

I like 2001, but as I've gotten older, it's just such a slow film. I think it I think it was pretty slow, except for the monkeys at the beginning. Well, that was that's never part. Really? Okay, we don't want to give it away. I'm looking forward to seeing it. It's Planet of the Apes Meets uh No, I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_02 31:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:09

I think also the thing going back to Santa Monica, um because I'm thinking about Venice now and the transformation that Abbott Kinney has gone through from when we first moved here. I mean, it's drastically.

SPEAKER_00 31:28

You say it's for the better or for the worse.

SPEAKER_03 31:30

Oh, I'm not I'm not saying either. I mean, to be honest with you, I really like the mom and pop shops.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

Oh, yeah. That's the spirit of America. That's the American dream.

SPEAKER_03 31:40

And you know why? Because two of the shops had shop cats. So I could go in there and like pet the cats. It was all like really friendly atmosphere. Yeah. I mean, it's still friendly now, but it's it's much it's all corporate. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

And there's no friendliness in corporate. It's like a coke and a smile, that's friendly.

SPEAKER_03 32:03

Um, but they had like the bookstore and they they don't have a bookstore. I can't believe that. Abbott Kinney should have a bookstore.

SPEAKER_01 32:10

Well, there's only one bookstore uh allotted for a 10 square mile uh district. No, I'm kidding. But uh it seems that, you know, you don't have the small stores anymore that uh it's it's and if that's that's the joy of going to those that's the community, you know it's the community.

SPEAKER_00 32:30

And this is the problem with the corporations, you know, talking about the farmers back in the Midwest here. It's they're just this well not even the corporations, just the top two percent owning all the wealth. It's kind of like it's just literally, literally squeezing the life out of I mean they talk about trickle-down economics.

SPEAKER_01 32:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:48

You know, well, this is just trickle-down.

SPEAKER_01 32:50

It's flood-down.

SPEAKER_00 32:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

Flood-down economics.

SPEAKER_00 32:53

But there's no Well, actually, that wouldn't be well, it's kind of the opposite. It's like squ it's like squeezing the last bit of bloody juice of out of anything. And now you're out of our lives. Yeah. And now you're sitting there just trying to get by. And I never hear things work.

SPEAKER_01 33:07

Trevor Burrus, Jr. I never hear any Democrats talk about anything having to do with the future of this country uh uh in these specific subjects. I mean, we're bombarded with um with what comes out of the White House, you know, flood the zone, but I don't I really feel like there needs to be uh independent party. Wow. I I I think that what there needs to be is some sort of uh aggressiveness uh pushback uh in in um among Democrats. I I don't know if I said this and eve if it's I think it illustrates something, but you let me know what you think. I had called um uh Adam Schiff's office, Burbank office, and asked if the senator believes in a constitutional protection for uh voting. And obviously I got uh either an intern or a very, very young aide. And uh, well, I don't know. Uh give me your number and blah, blah, blah. So they never called me back. So after about a month, I called. Uh no, after about a month, yeah, I tried to call again and I left a message. And uh I get a letter from Adam Schiff. Obviously he didn't write it, but uh thank you for your uh idea. It's like I'm asking, do you support? Thank you for your idea. Totally sidestepped the question. Did not address the issue of voting. It was just this blanket generic refusal or rejection letter, basically, saying, well, okay, thank you. Bye. You know, and and um I think that's indicative of of of uh part of the reason why we've been in this mess is because nobody's doing anything. I mean, I feel overwhelmed. Yeah. Uh they're getting away with so many different things, and and nobody's standing up.

SPEAKER_03 34:58

Well, that's why I'm I I mean, who's what Democrat are you gonna vote for? Come on.

SPEAKER_01 35:05

Gavin Newsom has been probably saying uh challenging him more than anybody else. And J.D. Prisker, uh a couple of months ago or whatever it was, uh was uh uh complaining about do-nothing Democrats. And uh other than that, you know, now the Baltimore Sun is investigating uh Maryland Governor Wes Moore for corruption.

SPEAKER_00 35:26

I don't think it matters. As long as he's male and as long as he's in his forties and fifties, and as long as he has a full head of hair, then that's gonna beat Trump in the next election. Well or va or J.D. Vance. Yeah. Basically.

SPEAKER_03 35:40

I mean, the thing about Governor Newsom, I saw him uh many years ago speaking. He was really charismatic. Regardless of what you think about him and his politics, when he was up there speaking, I remember saying to my brother, I could I could totally see him cast as the president in a movie. So I could see him as the the president of the United States because he's he has the look, he's got the vibe that um that you need.

SPEAKER_00 36:13

That you need basically cool, right? Uh the last podcast, uh somehow Star Trek came into the conversation and I managed to piss off I've sworn again. I managed to upset or annoy a load of Star Trek fans with the most innocuous comment about the uh Star Trek theme song. How many did you piss off?

SPEAKER_01 36:40

Because they can't be real Star Trek fans if they didn't know that there were lyrics to the Star Trek theme.

SPEAKER_00 36:46

Oh no, no, no, no. They knew, but I didn't tell the story correctly. Oh.

SPEAKER_03 36:51

Okay, what's the correct story?

SPEAKER_01 36:54

So you basically told the story that Jesus had a twin brother and uh was given away for given up for adoption or something. Yeah. So you got the uh the cre the origin story.

SPEAKER_00 37:03

And he's now buried next to Elvis' brother, Aaron.

SPEAKER_01 37:07

Jesse Guerin.

SPEAKER_00 37:08

Jesse, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 37:09

Jesse Guerin, Elvis Aaron.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

No, basically the start the Star Wars, the Star Trek theme uh was written, and I thought I basically said it had lyrics at the same time, and they took the lyrics off.

SPEAKER_01 37:22

But actually it the music was written, and then Roddenberry took advantage of the opportunity, as Johnny Carson did with the Tonight Show theme. Pissed off Paul Anka. Johnny Carson wrote lyrics for the tonight show theme so that he could get money for that.

SPEAKER_00 37:36

And did he? Oh, really? And he did, yes. And it can we listen to this theme tune somewhat?

SPEAKER_01 37:42

No, I don't think so. But you don't have to hear uh the lyrics for somebody to um write them and then get money for it. Now, I've probably pissed off a lot of Johnny Carson fans, which I should tell them that Johnny Carson was my idol from the age of ten to the age of uh well, I cried the last show, May 22nd, 1992. I cried my eyes out when he left. So uh, you know, I was a big Johnny Carson fan. I told Jay Leno in 1980 that I wanted to take over the Tonight Show, but not from Johnny Carson. I wanted to take over from the person who would take over from Johnny Carson.

SPEAKER_02 38:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:19

Who I was talking to, Jay Leno. Wait, when is it?

SPEAKER_03 38:22

When did you talk to Jay Leno? Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_01 38:23

1980, back when he was a young comedian going around from place to place. I was friends with Ray Combs, who uh hosted Family Feud. We were uh You were friends with him? Yeah. We were a collection of comedians in uh Indianapolis and uh Ray Combs being very outgoing made friends with Jay Leno.

SPEAKER_03 38:42

Oh yeah, yeah. The English guy?

SPEAKER_01 38:44

No, Ray Combs. Okay. Ray Combs had uh no, that was Richard Dawson. That was Richard Dawson, Hogan's heroes. Uh but um so Ray was the one to connect us with uh with Jay Leno and uh that that I met Mavis uh Leno at the time and was able to, when I interviewed her later, years later, uh brought back that memory for her. And you know, she said, Yeah, that was me. I was sitting on the bed reading a book because that was what she did back then.

SPEAKER_03 39:13

Sweet.

SPEAKER_01 39:13

But anyway.

SPEAKER_03 39:14

So you met Jay Leno?

SPEAKER_01 39:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 39:16

Was he nice?

SPEAKER_01 39:17

Oh yeah, Jay Leno is one of the nicest uh guys in show business, which was a lot of people's complaint about him, was the same. Except when it came to Conan O'Brien. Oh, he didn't like him. No, he took the tonight show back from Conan O'Brien, pissed a lot of people off. Oh Yeah, I don't know who put ideas in Jay Leno's head to give him uh uh a weekly, or actually it was a nightly, five nights a week or one-hour variety show after he left the tonight show.

SPEAKER_00 39:43

Yeah, that didn't really work.

SPEAKER_01 39:44

Conan O'Brien came in, didn't work out. And Conan O'Brien took over the Tonight Show, and Jay realized it was a big mistake and wanted to go back to the Tonight Show and basically pressured O'Brien off the Tonight Show and took over again. So if I have any of that wrong, please address your remarks to uh Charlie.

SPEAKER_03 40:01

I mean did you did you apologize to the Star Trek Treckies that aren't annoyed with you?

SPEAKER_00 40:06

Aaron Ross Powell No, I doubled down and told them I was right and they were wrong.

SPEAKER_03 40:10

So you gotta apologize.

SPEAKER_00 40:12

I know. Well isn't it isn't in isn't this out of the Trump playbook though? Always attack. Always hold it. Always hold your ground. Well, do you think anyway? No, but here's my point. I actually um I thought when it came to Star Trek, I thought the only controversy ever in the entire history of Star Trek was it was the first interracial kiss on American television was in an episode of Star Trek.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

Aaron Ross Powell Yeah, I think that that was probably uh uh the the only real controversy other than the Tribbles didn't have their own spin-off show, their own starship, you know.

SPEAKER_03 40:43

They could go Is that true?

SPEAKER_01 40:44

That was the first interracial Well, probably not, but it was the most uh popular and the most controversial. What year is this? Uh I think it was '67, maybe.

SPEAKER_03 40:54

Okay, because before that was Sidney Poitiers in the film.

SPEAKER_01 40:59

Guess who's coming to day? Yeah, but we're talking he's talking about television.

SPEAKER_03 41:04

Yeah. Sidney Poitiers.

SPEAKER_00 41:05

So tell us tell us, Jim, about the Star Trek episode and the interracial kiss.

SPEAKER_01 41:10

Who it was between Michelle Nichols, Lieutenant Uhura, and um William Shatner, uh Captain Kirk. Uh and it was originally supposed to be uh Spock that would kiss Uhura. And that's the reason why Spock and Uhura have a romantic kind of relationship in the in the new movies or the movies ten years ago or whatever it was, because that was the way it was originally written, and I think they were trying to be purists. So anyway, William Shatner, who always wanted to be first and foremost in Star Trek to the detriment of uh co-stars sometimes, wanted to have it rewritten so that he and Michelle Nichols would, you know, be the first to do an interracial kiss, and that's the way it was. And the network was hesitant about it because the um they thought the South would reject the show and would reject NBC, and so but uh basically what happened was Michelle Nichols and uh William Shatner decided that they were gonna do this and that when it came to do it the way that everybody else, or I should say the network executives wanted it, they would somehow purposefully screw it up so that the producers and the network were left with nothing but the kiss. And it wasn't really lip-on-lip kiss, it was the suggestion of a kiss. So because you you see if you watch it that they turn their heads or the camera angle or whatever, it's so that you can't see the lips touching or not touching. And it seems to me they're not touching, but I might I might be wrong. And I should say that, you know, my um uh devotion to Star Trek goes back to uh the summer of nineteen sixty-nine, I think it was, when there was the threat of it being canceled then. I wrote letters to NBC then. I didn't write letters to NBC. I w I was like a 11-year-old kid when uh we were in Florida at an Air Force base for my uncle, and I'm writing NBC, a letter to keep Star Trek on. Star Trek was I was 10 years old, no, nine years old, maybe eight years old, when Star Trek came on, it quickly became one of my favorite shows. I even have uh an autographed photograph of William Shatner as Captain Kirk. Oh, wow. There was these um I don't know how I got it now. Maybe it's from a serial uh box top or something, but this catalog of of items that you could buy, and one of which, which was uh the autographed photograph of William Shatner as Captain Kirk, and I still have that.

SPEAKER_03 43:34

Who was your f who was your favorite character and why?

SPEAKER_01 43:36

Spock. Because he was the perfect person in every situation.

SPEAKER_03 43:41

He was a person?

SPEAKER_01 43:43

Spock was a person, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:44

Why'd he have pointy ears?

SPEAKER_01 43:45

Well, he was a Vulcan person. He wasn't a human person. He was a half human person, but he was uh a Vulcan, half Vulcan, half human. And that was another great thing because that was inner not only interracial, but inner species.

SPEAKER_03 43:59

I like the inner species.

SPEAKER_01 44:02

Well it is in most states. It's still on the books. Yeah, you can't be married to a non-human. You have to be married to a human. You do see that though, do you?

SPEAKER_03 44:10

Where is that written now?

SPEAKER_01 44:11

Sherry Springer, that guy married his horse. Oh no, I I I wasn't going I wasn't going into bestiality. No. But there used to be nine nine.

SPEAKER_03 44:20

Minus the bestiality. That's just creepy.

SPEAKER_01 44:23

Yeah, that's creepy. But no creepier than what we have uh already, you know, that that isn't even in the news anymore.

SPEAKER_03 44:30

What? Oh, the bestiality?

SPEAKER_01 44:32

No. The pedophilia. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's maybe there's some beastiality.

SPEAKER_00 44:36

It occurred to me though, when you were saying you were writing letters to NBC, this is where um Shifty Shift is uh Adam Schiff. Oh. This is where he went wrong. He should have uh instead of replying saying that's a good idea, he should have just sent you a signed photo back.

SPEAKER_01 44:53

He would have bought me off. You know what? I would have been placated.

SPEAKER_03 44:56

That's what Karen Bass should do. When people have my story, when people contact her, she should just, you know, I want to be the new press secretary. Just send off autograph photos.

SPEAKER_02 45:08

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:08

Well look, if any if anybody's uh got anything negative to say about this episode, just write us and we'll send you a signed picture back.

SPEAKER_02 45:17

There you go.

SPEAKER_00 45:19

And it will either be me. But it won't be of me. It'll be Jim, me, or uh Sandy. I'm not sure which one.

SPEAKER_03 45:26

That is really funny. What was that the very first letter you ever wrote?

SPEAKER_01 45:30

Uh yeah. And where did that come from to know Well, there had already been a letter writing campaign that saved the uh from the first season to the second season, or was it the second season to the third season? I think I was trying to save it from the third into the uh fourth. But there was no fourth, so you know.

SPEAKER_00 45:45

What? Um can I interrupt though? I wrote a letter to Jimmy Savile once. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 45:50

Did complaining about his pedophilia?

SPEAKER_00 45:53

No, because no one knew at the time. Uh he had a chip. Johnny Rotten knew. Uh he had a show called Jim Will Fix It where you would write in and he would fix it for anything. So I wrote him a letter asking if I could meet the rock group queen.

SPEAKER_03 46:05

Are you dead? How old were you?

SPEAKER_00 46:07

Oh, about eleven or twelve. So the perfect age for him. Yeah. Did he respond? Uh he sent me a Chim Will Fix It badge back.

SPEAKER_01 46:15

Oh, wasn't uh wasn't an autograph photograph?

SPEAKER_00 46:17

No, no.

SPEAKER_03 46:18

Just just write letters. Like who told you to do that?

SPEAKER_01 46:22

Well, like I said, it had already Bee Joe Trimble was her name. Uh she uh started a letter writing campaign to save Star Trek. That was the first letter writing campaign.

SPEAKER_03 46:31

But was that the first letter you ever wrote?

SPEAKER_01 46:34

To well, not to anything. Yeah. To to voice agreement. To voice. Yeah. And then I wrote uh when Banyan, I don't know if anybody remembers Banyan, Robert Forster, who was in uh who played Max Cherry and uh Jackie Brown. Uh he also had a a show called Nakia, where he was uh a deputy on uh Nabal Reservation. I I loved that show, and it only lasted 13 episodes. It was on Friday nights at 10 PM and I absolutely loved that show. And when it went off to be replaced by the Bobby Darren show in January of um 1973, I uh again had a nervous breakdown and wrote letters, you know, because my idea, my guidance for becoming a man was was not only people in the neighborhood.

SPEAKER_00 47:19

But my teeth and the sword. Well, it was it was TV characters.

SPEAKER_01 47:22

Oh so name a few of those characters that Well Beretta, which now you know it's Robert Blake and he killed his wife or whoever it was he killed, so that's bad. Um Who else? Banyan, Robert Forster. Uh Lee Majors? No. He was always to me, he was always the youngest son in uh Big Valley.

SPEAKER_03 47:43

Oh, I like the Bionic Man.

SPEAKER_01 47:45

Well, Bionic Man was okay, but I I just and it was science fiction, but I always thought that they could have gotten somebody better than Lee Majors. But that's my own personal opinion. Yeah. I mean, he was not one of my first picks, and I can't remember off the top of my head anybody else.

SPEAKER_03 47:58

Um Richie Cunningham?

SPEAKER_01 48:00

No. No. Opie? Are you kidding? No, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_03 48:04

The Fawns?

SPEAKER_01 48:06

Uh no, no. Right, we're just gonna sit here and list Stephens 17. This will be edited out, I'm sure, right?

SPEAKER_03 48:11

The captain from the Love Boat.

SPEAKER_01 48:13

The Captain and Teneal?

SPEAKER_03 48:14

No, the Captain from the Love Boat.

SPEAKER_01 48:15

Uh Gopher, what's his name?

SPEAKER_03 48:17

What about Gopher?

SPEAKER_01 48:19

No. Was that uh Fred uh Fred Grandy? Was that who that was? Did you interview him once for something?

SPEAKER_03 48:26

No, but I I missed the opportunity to try out for the love boat. And I think had I tried out for it, I think I would have gotten it.

SPEAKER_00 48:35

For what character?

SPEAKER_03 48:36

For the captain's daughter.

SPEAKER_00 48:38

Oh, is that the the girl with blonde short hair? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:42

So the story is that I was in Florida with good family friends, and they had invited me to go to the Virgin Islands on a sailboat with them, and my mom called and said, You have an audition the time we lived in San Francisco. Do you want to come out, fly back to San Francisco, and try out? It's for a show called The Love Boat. And I was like, No. You know. Um but I didn't realize because they did the casting for that character in San Francisco, and the girl that got it was my competition. We try out for a lot of things together.

SPEAKER_00 49:18

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 49:19

And then she got it.

SPEAKER_00 49:20

Didn't she pass away recently?

SPEAKER_03 49:22

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 49:24

I don't think so. Didn't she? Maybe I'm thinking of somebody else. I used to love the love boat, though. It used to be on Sunday afternoons. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03 49:29

Sunday afternoons. In England. Yeah. It was on Friday nights and before and after it was Fantasy Island.

SPEAKER_00 49:38

Oh, yeah, no, exactly. We had the Love Boat, Fantasy Island, and then Heart to Heart.

SPEAKER_03 49:42

Oh, I love all those shows.

SPEAKER_00 49:43

Well, I love Stephanie Powers, but not uh Heart to Heart. Oh, I think we're gonna say I thought we were gonna say not the guy Wag Robert Wagner. Robert Wagner Wagner. What's that because of what he did to his wife?

SPEAKER_01 49:53

I don't know about that. I I delivered office supplies to his ranch uh over on um Sunset Boulevard and 26th Street. Yeah, he had a little ranch over there.

SPEAKER_03 50:02

There but that's not ranch area.

SPEAKER_01 50:05

Yeah, there was a little little area that carved out. Yeah, it wasn't ranch ranch, but it was horse stable or something like that. Did you meet it? No. I delivered to Sally Fields' house too once in uh in Brentwood and saw her run across the door and take her.

SPEAKER_00 50:19

What were you delivering?

SPEAKER_01 50:20

Office supplies. Oh, okay. Cool. I uh worked at Brentwood Stationers and uh I know that place. Yeah, Ron Goldman would come in. I made a deal with the uh managers of Nezzaluna, Richard and John.

SPEAKER_03 50:32

At the same time you were there, probably.

SPEAKER_01 50:35

Yeah. Ron Goldman would bring in the uh the day's uh specials menu and I would photocopy it and we would stand and just do chit-chat for like six weeks. And then uh I came in one Monday and uh Well, that Monday, and um there was all the excitement, and uh the manager or assistant manager said you'll know the kid that was killed, and I thought kid, you know, that's like this high. And uh he showed me the photograph from the Los Angeles Times and it was like a headshot of Ron Goldman.

SPEAKER_03 51:03

I was like, OJ.

SPEAKER_01 51:04

I was shocked.

SPEAKER_03 51:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:06

And then all this stuff was happening, it just built from there.

SPEAKER_03 51:10

Wow. So my brother worked at Metsaluna.

SPEAKER_01 51:13

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03 51:14

Yeah, and he knew that. Uh I I don't think he was working there at the time, thank God. But I was living there.

SPEAKER_01 51:21

Yeah, he may have had to take the what was it, glasses?

SPEAKER_03 51:24

Yeah. Glasses So maybe you and I were at Coffee Bean at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 51:28

Coffee bean was, I think, right next to where uh Brenwood Stationers was. No, that was yeah. That was Starbucks. No, there was a um a video store next to where I was thinking coffee bean was. Oh, so I was wrong.

SPEAKER_03 51:42

Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's a small world. It is.

SPEAKER_01 51:44

And it was a lot more fun back then. Yeah. A lot more exciting. It sounds okay.

SPEAKER_00 51:50

Well, listen, we're gonna end it here.

SPEAKER_03 51:52

Okay, but we gotta talk about Venice, the the grunions.

SPEAKER_00 51:54

Oh, yeah. Well, we did talk a little bit about Venice, didn't we, earlier?

SPEAKER_03 51:57

Yeah, but we didn't talk about the grungions.

SPEAKER_00 51:59

What is a grunyon? A gremlin? No, a grunion is a fish.

SPEAKER_03 52:02

Oh. If it was the gremlins, if you had said we're going out 10 30 to go see the gremlins, I would have said the gremlins growing.

SPEAKER_00 52:10

Yeah. But you said grunions, and I was like, uh, well no, I don't think you'd want to see gremlins, though, because they were c even though they were cute, they were kind of evil existing.

SPEAKER_03 52:18

They were cute.

SPEAKER_01 52:19

Are they based on gnomes or fairies or something? Are they an evil fairy? Is that what a gremlin is? My I know it's an AMC car that was really, really ugly, but uh No Gremlins.

SPEAKER_03 52:29

Didn't you ever see the Gremlins?

SPEAKER_01 52:30

No, I I know. There was a period of time when I really didn't have access to television and some movies uh I would not have been interested in.

SPEAKER_03 52:38

Okay. Well, talk about grunions. What are they?

SPEAKER_00 52:42

They are fish that a number of times a year, it's all to do with the moon. They come out of the ocean onto the beach in Venice or down the west coast of America.

SPEAKER_03 52:56

Onto the beach?

SPEAKER_00 52:57

Onto the beach, and they stick their tails in the sand, lay eggs, then they go back out, and then ten days later the eggs I don't know if they hatch or whatever, but ten days later the high tide comes back in again and then takes the uh sort of ways. So anyway, so this was happening on April the fourth, we were told, at 10 30 p.m. That was on Friday night, just gone. Good Friday. Um so we went down there uh and we were down there with about seven other people.

SPEAKER_03 53:32

Where did you read this?

SPEAKER_00 53:34

With it was it was popped up somewhere on some news feed or something.

SPEAKER_03 53:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 53:39

Um I gather though down uh in San Pedro a couple of weeks ago, it was quite phenomenal. They had like thousands of them all coming onto the beach. That's really cool. I and they they were saying it was gonna be last Friday. Well, they come in through the ocean, the high tide. It's just the high tide brings them in. So it's not like they're under a new moon waddling on their ends. No. If you look it up on YouTube, it's really cool. It's quite an amazing sort of site. But anyway, it didn't happen. It didn't happen. So the conspiracy theory.

SPEAKER_03 54:09

But you know what did happen, not this past Friday, but the Friday before that, Weezer performed. Oh yeah, I saw that. And that was really fun. Yeah, on Hinnano. That was really fun on Henano. Yeah. And the community just all came together and it was just that was fun.

SPEAKER_00 54:26

Yeah, I put a video of it on our shorts if people can see. Yeah. Which uh has had a few views.

SPEAKER_01 54:31

Well, before you go, I just want to say that I'm becoming a furry and uh I'm going to start demanding my rights. Uh so demand them now.

SPEAKER_03 54:40

Wait, you know why? I have an empty liver box. I need that. I need that for my demonstration.

SPEAKER_00 54:46

It's sitting out there. You know. Okay. Well, with it uh furry rights, isn't that how we ended the last episode?

SPEAKER_03 54:53

Furry. Furry.

SPEAKER_00 54:54

Okay. Thank you, anyone who's still listening.

SPEAKER_03 54:56

I love furries.

SPEAKER_00 54:58

Sandra's mom.

SPEAKER_03 54:59

Oh. Hi, Mom. Did I look up enough?

SPEAKER_00 55:02

You're thinking, what did I just say? Furry rights or Sandra's mum. Okay. Uh subscribe, like. Blah, blah, blah. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 55:13

What should we call you? Roger. Roger the furry. Roger Roger uh Fenton.