Exploring ADHD Biblically

In today's episode, Evan and Christian break down ADHD - providing you with the basics, what people with ADHD may go through, and what the Bible says about it. *We understand that we are not medical experts, and the views expressed are personal in nature, and may not necessarily apply to a persons ADHD diagnosis. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Hello, hello, friends and family. Welcome to the Second Chance Podcast. My name is Evan. My name is Christian. And I never know where to go from here. Yeah, it's life. Yeah. That's one of them. Yep. So today we were talking about in our last episode how we wanted to have a conversation about ADHD.

SPEAKER_02 0:39

Yeah. So last week uh we talked about two things in particular. We talked about being good leaders and also uh ADHD and how that in our society today it's important to show leadership, um, to be like accountable. Um, you know, I think we touched on forgiveness possibly, or no reconciliation. We talked a little bit about reconciliation, right? And uh so yeah, we got into that, and then we also started talking about ADHD, how my dear friend across from me, Evan, has ADHD, how I do not, and we started just dabbling a little bit into that topic, and um it was good, it was a good episode. It was I I I enjoyed that one, and so here we are now, we're back down in the studio, aka Creepy Bass. The creepy bass. And uh now we're pumping out another episode. And uh thank you again uh to the listeners. You guys are great.

SPEAKER_03 1:42

Yes, yes. This one's a bit late coming. We were supposed to do one last week, I think.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

But no, we actually pumped out one, and then we pumped out instead of waiting two weeks, we did another one. Remember? We pumped out two like back to back two weeks in a row. Oh so we're actually back on normal schedule now.

SPEAKER_03 1:56

Very good. Okay, right? Hush my mouth.

SPEAKER_02 2:00

Slap me twice. All right. Uh so today's episode, yeah, we're gonna be getting into ADHD more.

SPEAKER_03 2:10

Yes, and we're gonna look at it in a biblical perspective as well.

SPEAKER_02 2:13

Yeah. So this is gonna be cool. And we encourage you as the listener, uh, if you had know anyone that has ADHD, they may benefit from listening to this episode. Uh and our last one too. And uh it's it's gonna be good. So, all right, without further ado.

SPEAKER_03 2:29

Um I got a couple verses that I was looking up.

SPEAKER_02 2:32

Yeah, I think I for share for for people with ADHD. And a quick little recap as you grab those verses, ADHD is attentive hyper act whoa, you know, attentive deficit, hyperactivity disorder. Attention deficit. What did I say? Attentive. I'll be alright.

SPEAKER_03 2:51

I mean same difference.

SPEAKER_02 2:54

Yeah. Um, but yeah, so that's what it is. And uh it's it's where uh the body uh doesn't produce enough dopamine, um, and uh you can your uh let's say the effects of it can present itself in different ways. We really should have got like a general description of ADHD.

SPEAKER_03 3:16

I I don't even think I know what the general description of ADHD is, to tell you the truth.

SPEAKER_02 3:19

But you know what? I think that that's like a pretty that's pretty broad spectrum. That's pretty broad spectrum, all encompassing. Yeah, right? Um but just because you see someone that maybe looks fidgety doesn't necessarily mean they have ADHD, and you could have ADHD and not fidget at all. We're not we're not all tweakers. No.

SPEAKER_03 3:37

Just most of us. Okay. All right, you got the scripture? I knew I didn't hit us up. I guess 2 Corinthians chapter 10, verses 4 to 5 is this. For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but have divine power to destroy strongholds. We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ. I chose that one because I know with ADHD it's like point blank firing in your brain, there's all sorts of thoughts running around. It's like uh someone near and dear to me told me that uh in their mind it's like a roll of decks going around like five million different ideas and it's just firing off constantly. Wow. So it could be something like having a song stuck in your head to what am I gonna have for supper to what is the meaning of life in the span of ten seconds.

SPEAKER_02 4:29

That's impressive. Yeah. And also frightening at the same time.

SPEAKER_03 4:32

And they're not all gonna be the same. Some of them are gonna be like stuff that you really shouldn't be thinking about. Sometimes things that you don't even want to think about, and it just happens to pop up because you think it's like maybe some sort of outside stimuli makes you think like, oh, what if this happened? It's like having a little minion in your brain, like tickling your senses, and it's like, think about this now. But we don't have to let that define who we are, our thoughts, but that we should take those things and say, I don't want to think this. It doesn't define who I am, what these thoughts are. So I'm gonna capture that. Reflect it in scripture and in Christ. And if it doesn't align with that, don't make it out to be anything under the hole or in the ground. It's nothing. So ADHD, most thoughts are nothing anyway.

SPEAKER_02 5:29

So do you find, Evan, that your brain is always going. Always going. Like, are you always always thinking about like random different things?

SPEAKER_03 5:42

No, for me, I was on medication for a long while. Yeah. I didn't take them today. But um normally it is pretty It depends on the person, I guess. For me, it's not always that there's something going around in my brain 24-7. But the things that I do have in my brain is so much that I don't know how to retrieve a specific thing. Or I need to stop for a minute before I respond and think about what I'm gonna say. That's why when you usually hear me stuttering or they're not answering real quick, I gotta ground myself and say, How do I want this to sound? How do I put the thoughts that are going on in my brain into words? It's like rummaging through a treasure trunk of descriptive words, and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

SPEAKER_02 6:35

It's fascinating because uh I remember one day I was outside and I was sat down, uh it was in the summertime and my wife looked at me who has ADHD and and she said to me, She was like, What are you thinking of right now? I'm like, nothing. She's like, What do you mean nothing? And she was genuinely curious, and I was like, I'm literally like my mind is empty at the moment, like I'm not thinking about anything. I'm not even really thinking about why you're asking me this. There's just nothing in my mind right now. Right now, and she was blown away by it. Um, because as you shared, it's like moment after moment or something there there can be thoughts flooding in. Yeah. Of random things that have nothing to do with each other.

SPEAKER_03 7:23

Pretty much, yeah. Yeah. It's like um imagine you're a kid and you're seeing something for the first time, and you get like ten questions just off a rip about what it is. It's like that. Because your brain doesn't work in a linear way, in that it's you're asking yourself these questions back to back, but it's just they all kind of pop in. Interesting. Yeah, so like I could look at Marvel Champions and I'm like, I know Marvel is a uh TV show. I think Iron Man's pretty cool. I remember watching Spider-Man when I was younger. Oh wait, what are we talking about again? Oh, okay. So like that. Yeah, so it's kind of like a a train of it's a domino effect.

SPEAKER_02 8:02

Yeah. But yet even what you just read in the scripture is that we don't have to let it dominate.

SPEAKER_03 8:11

Yes, because sometimes like the thing that I just did then that was forced. Like I wouldn't look at Marvel Champions and really think about that per se. Yeah. But if I were to think of or if I were to look at something like a kid who's never seen something before, sure. Look at it and just immediately have those thoughts in the brain as if you've never seen them before. It's like, wow, I don't want to think about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially if it's something that we either shouldn't be looking at or shouldn't be thinking about. Indeed. What's the other scripture you have?

SPEAKER_02 8:46

Yes. You said you got another one. I do have another one. We came prepared today with different Bible verses, and uh, I have a bit of James that we're gonna read to. And we just believe that it's important that um, you know, there's a there's a clinical side, right? There's the medical side, but we can't separate the godly spiritual side uh to these things either, right? You know, we can look at anything, any kind of um, you know, whether it's ADHD, um, you know, let's jump to a different thing, you know, we look at depression, let's jump to struggling with weight loss, right? We could literally pull scripture from all kinds of places in the New Testament to support the fact of we don't have to just accept what we have and fight it alone. We can have God Almighty helping us with it, right? Yes, 100%.

SPEAKER_03 9:40

All right, hit us up. Alright. This is the other one I got. This one's convicting one. I'm sorry. Oh, but do it. We need conviction these days. Yes, fair enough. Proverbs 29, 11. Now you know Proverbs, it's very everyone is a fool. A fool gives full vent to his spirit, but a wise man quietly holds it back. One thing I've noticed with many people with ADHD, me included sometimes, is that because of how fast our brains work, as we were talking a minute ago, is also very easy to forget when a thought does come into our minds that we do want to say. Because it's like twenty thoughts backlogged when the other person is finished speaking. So a lot of people it's like waiting at Taco Bell. Yeah, pretty much. Having having your order ready like 15 cards behind the voice speaker, and then when you get there, it's like I don't remember anymore. But uh a lot of people what they do, which is understandable, is uh they'll like talk over people because they are going to forget a hundred percent what they say, what they what they want to say. But um it's not something we should be doing. We gotta learn to a as uh an ADHD group of people, we gotta know when to shut the mouth and open the ears.

SPEAKER_02 11:09

You know, it's interesting because I remember for years I would say to my wife when she was not diagnosed with ADHD, I would say to her, like, stop finishing my sentences or stop interrupting me in the middle of my sentence, or stop finishing my story. Whenever I would tell a story, yeah anywhere, any social setting, she would be like in my story within like a quarter of my way through it. Like, no, no, no, it wasn't my way. I'm like, leave me alone, right? Um, and it's funny, like she realizes that now. Now, give or take, even like for me, like I don't have ADHD, but I struggle with at times I've I've definitely gotten better over the years, but I I've struggled with knowing when to say something, when not to, and um going really deep here for a moment, but I remember when my mother-in-law passed away there uh about three years ago of cancer. Um, I learned for the first time in my life, like I knew the general guidelines, like don't be inappropriate, don't say stuff when you shouldn't, you know, not like I was blurting anything out, but yeah, I also learned, Evan, in that season that I just couldn't talk my way into things. And what I mean by that is that like I was talking, I used to talk so much, but there's nothing I can say right now to make this better.

SPEAKER_03 12:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:29

And so I started to slow down and close my mouth more and you know, and just be present through the whole process of mourning and just the the months after, and you know, because you know, to the listeners, well, you know, maybe you've lost a parent, right? And I'm sure you can relate, um, you know, that it's not just something that you get over right away. In fact, I don't think you ever get over it. I thank God that I haven't lost any of my parents, but my wife has and and uh lost her mother, and so you know that's that was a season where I learned to to to close my mouth. To be there, right? To be there, to be present, yeah, to be loving, to to to support. But you just can't talk your way out of those things. Yeah, you know what I mean. And uh which brings me now to uh our another scripture. This is one that I picked, and it's the title I'm reading from the NLT, it says controlling the tongue, right? It's James chapter three. Now, whether you have ADHD or whether you don't have ADHD, this is applicable for all of us. It says, Dear brothers and sisters, not many of you should become teachers in the church, for we who teach will be judged more strictly. Indeed, we all make many mistakes, for if we could control our tongues, we would be perfect and could also control ourselves in every other way. And this is what I really like. Um I like this imagery, right? Uh that's why I love the Bible so much. But listen to this verse three, in chapter three, we can make a large horse go wherever we want by means of a small bit in its mouth, and a small rudder makes a huge ship turn whenever the pilot chooses to go, even though the winds are strong. In the same way, the tongue is a small thing that makes grand speeches. But a tiny spark can set a great force on fire. And the tongue is a flame of fire, it is a whole world of wickedness corrupting your entire body. It can set your whole life on fire, for it is set on fire by hell itself. And it goes on to talk about, you know, um, you know, how it's so difficult to tame the tongue, and and and you can tame animals and you can do all these things. Uh, but it literally starts talking about like in verse 11 does a spring of water bubble out both fresh water and bitter water? In other words, just a reminder for us that you know when it comes towards our speech, our speech needs to be, not should be, needs to be wholesome. Yes. And that's a challenge because we are human and we drop the ball. Oh yeah. And uh, you know, and and so when I read that, I'm just reminded of you know, it is it's a challenge, and uh, but God never asks us to be perfect, He asks us to let Him in to help us and to guide us and to lead us, right? And uh because guiding and leading are two different things. You know, leading is like a decision-making process, guiding is like which way should I go to, right? Um but anyway, yeah. So we just wanted to drop those few verses just as an encouraging thing today. And uh, I believe, Evan, I'm horrible at transitions for Davikim. Oh, okay. Because I've been in the most serious conversations before on this podcast. I'm like, yeah, so and so and so this terrible thing happened. All right, time for Davikim!

SPEAKER_03 16:19

Time to do a complete 180. All right, here we go.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

Alright.

SPEAKER_03 16:31

Hit me up. Oh, wait, yeah, right. It's mine. Yeah. Uh I'm so eager. Okay. No pressure.

SPEAKER_02 16:38

Where did I save it? Davakem is like in the middle, just so that you know. If this is a new episode for you, you've never listened to our podcast, we do a Davakim, which is like a Hebrew word for like I think it's middle. I don't even remember. I can't even find the definition for Davikim anymore. Maybe I dreamt it. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 16:54

It was something got to do with like fellowship or cutting the sh sh something. I don't know. Cutting the cheese. No, not cutting cheese.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

Um, but anyway, it's like it's always in the middle of our episode. Yeah. And it's like our our little splitter. So, Evan. Yep, here we go. Hit me up with today's Davikim. I can't wait.

SPEAKER_03 17:13

This is our comedic timing. Okay, here we go. Uh, all right, here we go. Would you rather have hands for feet or feet for hands?

SPEAKER_02 17:24

That was a good villain voice laugh, wasn't it? Uh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 17:30

Hands for feet, feet for hands.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

Hands for feet, feet for hands. Well, I don't want to have feet for hands. No, that's how the heck are you gonna play like video games or stuff? Like I will never be able to play Fortnite again.

SPEAKER_03 17:47

Well, I mean, I'm sure you'd find a way. I'm sure you could, but people online like crazy as people that can play guitar with their feet. Yeah, but imagine how smelly it'd be. Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

Close to your nose.

SPEAKER_03 17:58

Well, you wouldn't have to walk on them. I I if you walked on your hands as much as you walked on your feet, they'd probably be just as nasty.

SPEAKER_02 18:06

If I'd have to have hands for feet or feet for hands, yeah, uh, I would take Oh. I I would just take my hands uh and put them on my feet.

SPEAKER_03 18:20

So you want four sets of hands? Or I mean two sets of two hands? Yes, give me hands.

SPEAKER_02 18:25

Yeah, can I can I do that? Just give me hands.

SPEAKER_03 18:28

I think that was the question. Is it was it? I don't know. Wait, I can't remember. Would you rather have hands for I g I assume it doesn't imply that you have to lop two of them off? So would you rather have hands for feet or feet for hands? I would I would have so you'll keep one or the other, but yeah, have four of them.

SPEAKER_02 18:48

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, so I'm I'm just going to owl out there. I want I want hands everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 18:52

Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_02 18:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 18:53

I don't know about everywhere. Maybe just like for my feet. Imagine if that wasn't a part of the question. And for your face? Face palm.

SPEAKER_02 18:59

Give me a high five. Slap. Face pop. Okay. All right. That was that. That was interesting. Um okay. So let's just go a little bit off track for a moment. I read, I shared this with my students today, and uh, I just wanted to read this for a moment, okay? Okay, so listener, if you're driving, buckle up. I need you, yeah, buckle up and just pay close attention because it's C. S. Lewis, and when he says things, it's often deep, okay? So here we go. It's really good. It'll be I'll read it for like a minute. Okay, here we go. Cool, cool. So it's the it's it's by the way, it's called uh a year with C. S. Lewis. It's a div in yearly, it's a devotional, daily devotional. Okay. And so the title for today's devotion is Correcting Our Arithmetic. Oh. Okay. All you math people out there. Here we go. Would you think I was joking if I said that you could put a clock back, and that if the clock is wrong, it is often a very sensible thing to do. Wait, say that again. Would you think I was joking if I said that you could put a clock back? So reverse the time on the clock. Yeah. And that if the clock is wrong, it is often a very sensible thing to do. It would make sense, right? If the clock is wrong, you would want to reverse the clock. We all want progress. But progress means getting nearer to the place where you want to be. And if you have taken a wrong turning or wrong turn, then to go forward does not get you any nearer. So if you've gone the wrong way, going forward is not going to make you any better. If you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about turn and walking back to the right road. And in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive man. We have all seen this when doing arithmetic. When I have started the psalm the wrong way, the sooner I admit this and go back and start again, the faster I shall get on. There is nothing progressive about being pigheaded and refusing to admit a mistake. And I think if you look at the present state of the world, it is pretty plain that humanity has m has been making some big mistake. We are on the wrong road, and if that is so, we must go back. Going back is the quickest way on.

SPEAKER_03 21:42

Yeah, fair enough.

SPEAKER_02 21:44

That's from mere Christianity. Um this devotional was taken from that. And you know, Evan, when I read that, what's your thoughts?

SPEAKER_03 21:53

That's uh that's fair enough, yeah. It makes sense. It's pretty easy to get into. The mindset of well, I've come this far, I might as well just go all the way with it. Yep. But it don't get you anywhere other than deeper.

SPEAKER_02 22:08

Yeah. And you know what? That's actually um a little bit of a segue into what we're going to be talking about in the next um we're actually gonna be starting a series here on in the Second Chance Podcast. Yes. And we're gonna be starting a brand new series, it's gonna be three parts, and essentially it's about men living uh in the world today and like godly men. And it's gonna be a three-part series to that. If you're a woman, hang on because it's actually gonna be really good. Um you know, we we we recognize obviously it's it's good the whole conversation is gonna be geared around men, but there's gonna be parts in there that has to do with women and as well, and it's gonna be very, very enlightening. And um, you know, I why did I transition into that? Well, when we just when I just read that, and it talks about you know turning back is often you know, if you're going the wrong way, it can be the best way forward, and that's so true. Yeah, and I think that as something as guys, that's something we struggle with.

SPEAKER_03 23:21

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:22

Where you recognize that you're doing something wrong, but rather than turn around, we can get bullheaded and we're like, yeah, well, we'll just keep on going, right? Uh you know, it will fix itself out along the way.

SPEAKER_03 23:33

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 23:34

When that's actually opposite to actually progress, right?

SPEAKER_03 23:39

It's like do you ever watch that show, this old show, Perfect Strangers? Perfect Strangers. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:44

Uh I don't think so.

SPEAKER_03 23:46

There's this, there's this two guys basically. It's Larry and Balkie. Yeah. This fella Larry is like a compulsive liar. Oh, okay. What he does is um he'll he'll lie and he'll try to get something his own way.

SPEAKER_01 24:01

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 24:02

And the whole time he's just trying to figure out how to how to get his own way, pretty much, while trying to keep the lie going. At the end of the episode, he's always like, Man, I shouldn't have done that. That was stupid. I can't believe I've been lying the whole time. Oh, really? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:18

So what's yeah, so that I don't know. That just it just jogged my memory just then, uh, you know, when we when we went ahead and uh, you know, just started talking about that and how you know that is really what it will look like for biblical men. Um that we don't just look at something, say, oh shoot, you know, let's just suck it up and keep going. Um, you know, but I I also believe there's a time to bite the bullet too, right? Where you actually like, okay, well, I I'm I'm I've gone this far now. I I gotta keep going. But I don't think that's not what C.S. Lewis was talking about, though, right? He was talking about a very different thing where you don't just you know you you recognize that this is not actually benefiting anybody.

SPEAKER_03 25:07

Yeah, it's like telling your buddy you know how to fix their car and you're under the engine thinking like I've never seen this before in my life.

SPEAKER_02 25:14

Exactly, exactly, and you keep fiddling around with it. Yeah. Okay, funny story, funny story. I remember years ago, the people remained nameless. One of the girls I worked with, her vehicle had a flat tire, and this random Joe, who remained nameless, uh, he offered to change the tire for her in the parking lot. Okay, she had an oddie, real nice Odie, souped up Audi. And anyway, I she told me what kind of um um crank or yeah uh like the um oh my gosh, I'm blanking on it. Like the socket wrench type? No, no, no, no, like the like the for boosting up the vehicle, the jack, the the jack. Tire jack. Yeah, the tire jack. And so she told me what kind of jack she had, and it was a scissor jack. So I don't know how familiar you are, but like the scissor jack, right? You put it in, you s you wind it up a little bit, it finds the little tab, and then you can wind it up fully, right? And so you get the tire up off the ground. It wasn't clear for the Audi, it has a this Audi in particular, there's a couple of very specific places where you put that jack.

SPEAKER_03 26:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:24

And it's inside under it's under the door, and like move in a little bit, and there's a spot there.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:31

I watched as buddy, who should have reverse course, I did an about turn, oh, put it right under the lip of the door and started going up. Oh and then it went up, and when it went up, all of a sudden you just started a buckle and she started bulging right in the door, and I was and then and then he let it down hard, and I was like, Oh, cringe worthy. Oh man. Um, and then she was flabbergasted and he was like, Oh, I'm so sorry. But what do you do? Yeah, right. Um, don't let someone touch your vehicle, period. Period. Um especially if they don't know what they're at. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:14

Um now I mean if he genuinely didn't know any better, that's different. But if he was like looking at this car thinking, I've never done this before. I got this. Yeah, I got this early, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:24

But no experience, nothing, no clue what to do.

SPEAKER_03 27:27

Never looked at a car before in his life.

SPEAKER_02 27:29

Yeah, beware of the scissor jack. Um so the next series, so we're gonna have multiple parts. We're not I'm actually gonna share them today. Um, we just want to hit you up with the fact that there's an awesome series coming. We're gonna plan to have on definitely one guest speaker, maybe more.

SPEAKER_03 27:48

Maybe maybe uh not at a time though, we're not that fancy.

SPEAKER_02 27:52

No, no, just we're pretty much we can only handle like three people here uh at a time. All right, so Evan, as we get ready to clue up today, I just want to ask you just a couple of quick questions regarding ADHD. Okay. Um, for if you could offer anyone that maybe is um new in their diagnosis, maybe they don't even know they have ADHD, but they've sort of wondered about it. You know what I mean? Maybe it's possible I have this or not, yeah, even if they're not diagnosed. What could what kind of advice would you give any listeners regarding ADHD and how to deal with it?

SPEAKER_03 28:34

One of the things that I always thought when I was younger was um why I was so weird from everybody else. Like I remember distinctly asking mom, like, is there something wrong with me? Or like, is there I don't feel like I'm the same as these other people for some reason. I don't know why, but something's different. So if you are one of those people that has ADHD or you think you have ADHD and you're just thinking, I don't feel like other people it's gonna sound blunt and I'm gonna tell you right now, but you're not like other people. But that's not something to be ashamed of. If anything, that's something to be proud of. That's good. Because if you're coming and attributing that to following Christ, it's his specialty to pick out the weird people, pretty much. Picked out disabled people, he picked out wonky, strange people, he picked out horrible people. But now they're not considered horrible people anymore. He makes what is the verse? Uh he uses the weak to shame the strong. And there's nothing wrong with you, whether it's ADHD or anything else, you're good. And you're not going through it by yourself.

SPEAKER_02 29:55

That's an encouraging thought because we live in a day and age where even though we seem like we're so connected through technology, right, let's throw out a word globalization, right? The globalizing of the world, right?

SPEAKER_03 30:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:09

But yet we're seeing an at epidemic rate of people suffering with depression like never before, because those people are becoming so isolated. And uh you feel like you're alone. And I just echo what you're saying. It's it's that's good. It's good to know that if you do f uh feel like that, you do feel different, you do feel strange, it's uh okay. Yeah. Right? And I don't say that hesitantly either. I'm just I'm putting emphasis on my words that that it is, it's it's okay. Um God never called us to be perfect, but he called he said he would help us.

SPEAKER_03 30:48

If anything, if you think about it, he kind of called us to be weird. Because he said people are gonna hate you, yeah, and you're gonna go around telling people about this thing that with human wisdom sounds like it should be impossible. But it ain't.

SPEAKER_02 31:04

Yeah. And often God's ways are as says what God's ways are higher than man's ways, right? Our ways. Yes. And it's not on the same level. No. And uh yeah. Yeah. Well, guys, we're so glad that you tuned in uh today, and we just uh again we hope that you're enjoying uh every episode uh that we put out. And um, so next week, uh, or let me phrase that, sorry, next uh episode, um, we're going to be starting off the brand new series. And you know what? I'm gonna label it right now. Ready? Here's the name, the title of the series.

SPEAKER_03 31:39

Okay, I guess we're gonna have to commit to this now. Yeah, 100%. Here we go. It's on air.

SPEAKER_01 31:43

Better be a good one. Mighty men. Okay. Mighty men. Mighty men.

SPEAKER_02 31:46

Not mighty mouse.

SPEAKER_01 31:48

Mighty dude. Mighty men. Yep. Mighty men.

SPEAKER_02 31:53

And uh we're gonna be talking about mighty men and what the Bible um is calling men to to be in this day and age. Yeah. So awesome. Well, thank you all for listening, for tuning in. Uh, as always, share it, please, right? Or any social media that you have, word of mouth. Show all your friends. Show all your friends, and uh, we appreciate you guys so much. So we hope you have an awesome day, and we'll see you next time.

SPEAKER_03 32:22

Love ya. Bye-bye.