Deep Dive Pod 29 ( Trivial Pursuit )

Back before Google could settle an argument in three seconds, and before your phone knew more than your high school history teacher, a couple of Canadians in 1979 looked at a scrabble board, ran out of tiles, and said, You know what???? This world needs more useless knowledge. And just like that, Trivia Pursuit was born. A game that turned random facts into social currency, ruined friendships over whether or not Pluto counted as a planet, and gave every uncle at Thanksgiving a stage for his oddly specific expertise. So tonight we honor the original pub quiz in a box, the game that proved knowing things is fun until it becomes competitive. Our focus tonight, Trivia Pursuit.

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SPEAKER_05 0:00

I had one poster. But it was a great poster. It was a life-size poster of uh Harvey Villichet. You did. Wow. But not from Fantasy Island from his uh appearance in the James Bond movie The Man with the Golden Gun from when he was in a mariachi band.

SPEAKER_04 0:20

No, but he was in a tasteful toothpiece.

SPEAKER_05 0:30

Well, here we are, boys. Sour. Stout. Right. Who's which one?

SPEAKER_08 0:36

Which is which? I want to be stout. Depends on the day.

SPEAKER_03 0:39

Can I be stout of the day? You weren't stout going into that headwind today on your mind.

SPEAKER_08 0:42

No, I wasn't. I was a little sour. I was sour after the headwind.

SPEAKER_05 0:46

We are definitely into the windy part of uh bicycling season.

SPEAKER_08 0:50

Oh, it's rough today. But good.

SPEAKER_05 0:52

So we had uh so Club 76, 1976, which is a American Legion Post inside of North Liberty, Iowa, has an event every year. It's a fundraiser for some of the philanthropic stuff that they donate to, including veterans and the Boy Scouts. So they um fly in oysters. I think there are two or th at least two or three different varieties of oysters, and uh they are 48 hours fresh. I mean they are so good. Taken out of a body of water, put in a crate, iced down, put on a plane flown into Chicago or Cedar Rapids, and then uh on a Saturday morning are served to us, as well as sours and stouts that are really super hard to get your hands on. But anyway, the American Legion Post does that as a fundraiser every year, and uh the three of us have been committed to it for a while, five or six years, you guys together, and it just keeps getting better.

SPEAKER_08 1:46

Right. Yep. In general, it sounds like a bad idea. Right. Iowa oysters. Right. Right. Okay. Let's get people together and eat oysters in Iowa and drink sours and stouts, and it's magic. Yeah. They pull it off. So good.

SPEAKER_05 2:01

Yeah, they do such a great job. They do it, really is kind of magical to have a high quality oyster in the state of Iowa. Yeah, and it's fun. And it's you can get VIP tickets. John was able to get VIP tickets this year, which allows you to basically start drinking high octane sours and stouts at 10 o'clock in the morning. Exactly.

SPEAKER_08 2:21

It takes planning, so I always just dovetail in with John's plan. Right. Yeah. Coattail with John.

SPEAKER_03 2:27

But the critical part of the VIP is it also gives you access to being inside at the venue, which this time of year we have done oysterfest where it's 80 degrees and beautiful, and we've done it in the snow. So and this year was pretty windy and a little inclement, so it was nice to be able to be indoors. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:44

But Jeremy does a great job with it. Fantastic. The other thing that's kind of nice about it is if after Oysterfest, if they have anything on tap, they try to blow it out so you can go like Sunday afternoon and get really cheap sours and stouts so they can clean the lines on Monday.

SPEAKER_08 3:00

So would you be surprised to know that uh John and I were at 76 last night?

SPEAKER_05 3:04

Oh, it didn't surprise me.

SPEAKER_03 3:06

And they still had about half the stouts and sours on the tap lines. The bake sale was still I couldn't believe that was surprised. Oh, I can't either. That was my favorite.

SPEAKER_08 3:14

I'm still processing the bake sale.

SPEAKER_05 3:16

Yeah. The bake sale was my favorite of the entire day. That was great. Yeah. Well, I might have to go out there with a growler if they still have bake sale on because it was there last night.

SPEAKER_03 3:24

Yeah. After this, they do a a whiskey raffle. And they do. Brad was a winner.

SPEAKER_08 3:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:31

Go ahead and sing if you want to.

SPEAKER_08 3:33

I'm not gonna sing. But I did, I did, I did come away with a bottle. Right. Which I was super happy with. And stupidly, I succumbed to peer pressure and cracked it on side.

SPEAKER_05 3:44

Is it stupidly?

SPEAKER_08 3:45

Because, dude, as soon as you cracked that open, you were wearing a cape. I was happy. Yeah. And you know what? It was the right thing to do. It was. So And Ray took it home. So now we've got some here in the studio, which I think we need to get into a little later in the show. We shall. Or maybe now.

SPEAKER_05 4:00

So um part of this uh whiskey and Sour Stout and Oyster Festival is they have a whiskey raffle. And it's a great lineup. Yeah, it's uh really quite amazing that a lot of people donate to it out of their own cellars. They um it it all that money goes into Eagle Project specifically and uh for Boy Scouts. And boy, it is a really impressive row of of whiskeys. And when people win, they almost immediately take their winnings and put it into their car because to kill the temptations, get the hell out of there. Brad wins it, he kind of like sets it in front of him like 45 seconds later. I'm hearing crack crack crack crack crack and Brad's pouring out. It looked like a Snoop Dogg video. Everybody had their cups out there wanting a little bit of it. So it was like holy water at the Vatican on Easter. But no, you were a hero, everybody else was kind of hoarding it, and Brad was out there sharing it. Let's enjoy it. Yeah, let's enjoy it. Always remember that moment. Yeah. So anything else, you guys you haven't traveled, have you? No.

SPEAKER_03 5:08

Uh we buzzed in for Cubs Opening Day, which was a good time, and hit a couple dive bars around Wrigley that we've talked about before and reaffirmed our need to go over there and do kind of a deeper dive. Uh, but we had Old Town Alehouse, which is you know a legendary dive bar across from Second City and famous spot, and we talked to the bartender there. So we need to go over and sit down and spend a little time and capture some audio for the the pod someday. But yeah, I like that it's a good idea. And the Cubs unfortunately lost. The weather was inclement, such as opening day at Wrigley. There you go.

SPEAKER_05 5:37

I don't know if we're gonna have the pitching to get it done this year. I don't know. But who knows? I mean, it's the Cubs. It's we've won with less, we've lost with more. So well said. Yes. Yes. So anyway, all right. Well, uh sitting in with us today. Joe, you're back with us, man. How's it going? Good, good, thanks for having me. Joe, if you remember, is our whiskey expert. He's the one that kind of walked us through our whiskey tasting. So he'll be the judge of Brad's weddings here. Right, right. Right. I always make sure that I have some uh uh somebody to drive me home, uh Uber or one of my family members whenever Joe visits, because things get a little bit murky.

SPEAKER_03 6:18

He drinks brown juice like most of us drink beer. Right.

SPEAKER_05 6:21

All right, boys, should we get at it? Let's tackle it. All right. Back before Google could settle an argument in three seconds, and before your phone knew more than your high school history teacher, a couple of Canadians in 1979 looked at a scrabble board, ran out of tiles, and said, You know what, this needs more useless knowledge. And just like that, Trivia Pursuit was born. A game that turned random facts into social currency, ruined friendships over whether or not Pluto counted as a planet, and gave every uncle at Thanksgiving a stage for his oddly specific expertise. So tonight we honor the original pub quiz in a box, the game that proved knowing things is fun until it becomes competitive. Our focus tonight, trivia pursuit. Let's do this. Yeah. So, I mean, this was one of the board games that would occupy a sleepover for sure. And, you know, it it really did kind of favor people that uh had old souls or was yeah, or red books, right? Right. I will say if you did have if you actually spent time with an encyclopedia or set of cyclopedias, then uh uh you had an advantage. Unless you were looking at the naked people. Right.

SPEAKER_03 7:35

You're going then you had other advantages, I guess. Nope. Uh I guess my only input on True and Pursuit, when it came out, to me, that was the first game that like the families would all form up like on for us, it was like Thanksgiving, Christmas. You'd make teams together on that you would prior to that, you might do a Monopoly or a Risk, but it was everyone for themselves. This was like the first kind of team game where you get two or three to a team around the table. Yeah. And as like the 13-year-old self that I was back then, I only wanted the thing to land on orange, which was sports, because I did not have much to offer outside of the sports. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 8:14

Yep. We would get heated. I mean, I remember we had an early set and um we'd have people over. It got competitive to your point earlier. It it could get nasty. It was like it's it's meant to be like kind of a function.

SPEAKER_03 8:27

So there were six categories, right? Right? Do you have this queued up or am I gonna put you on the spot? The original trivial pursuit were there's six categories. I think that's what it was.

SPEAKER_05 8:34

So it was geography, entertainment, yeah, history, arts and leisure, science and nature, and orange sports and sports. Sports. Yeah, okay, so there were six. Sports and leisure. Now, you know, there were other editions of it where it's pop culture, there were multiple movies and decades and things like that. I think there's like Star Wars, yeah, you know, trivia pursuit and stuff. But yeah, so geography, entertainment, history, arts and le literature, science, nature, and sports and leisure.

SPEAKER_03 9:03

Yeah. So well, Brett, you probably always wanted to land on the purple, the arts and leisure. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I was good there. Joe. Geography. Were you a geography guy?

SPEAKER_01 9:12

Well, you're talking about making teams. You need to find someone older in the family for some of the you know, that hi history, the arts, yes, those kind of things, you know, us kids, you know. Oh yeah. Oh, you only have the contemporary stuff, maybe maybe the sports. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 9:29

Oh, if you and your cousin were stuck with that, the uncle, and we all had that one uncle in our family that like knew nothing, right? I mean, if gasoline was a category, he'd be fine, but yeah, then you were screwed. You weren't gonna you're gonna get one piece of pie the whole the whole game and take a loss.

SPEAKER_05 9:44

Right. If the question started off in the movie, some might get hot. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:50

Oh or who got grandpa who would like question the answer. That's not right. That's exactly what I remember this.

SPEAKER_05 10:01

Always just Korea. There was no North Korea or South Korea's Korea. Uh so in 1979, uh, two Canadian journalists, Chris Haney and Scott Abbott, uh, were the ones that sat down and they literally had missing pieces of scrabble. So that's how it got started. So instead of fixing it, they decided to invent their new game that actually I think probably is for me anyway a bad spell or probably arguably better because I collect useless knowledge. So uh in 1983, it exploded so much that it became one of the biggest selling games that year, uh, knocking off Monopoly, which has also always been a huge game. So it kind of bled over into um coffee shops and bars too. That you know, that kind of when it it left the house, the front room. It wasn't unusual, especially at places like Deadwood or um the hilltop where you would see like two or three editions of it sitting there where you can just like go pull it off a shelf and and play there.

SPEAKER_03 11:04

Yeah. And you can still do it at Georgia's. Yeah. The board games, including Trip Over Suit, are still behind the bar. Dublin probably too.

SPEAKER_05 11:10

Yeah. So um over the years there have actually been lawsuits and tournament play over the accuracy of questions and answers where um players have sued other players and have tried to sue the uh company for the accuracy. You have to be kind of an a-hole, but there to that there goes that uncle that uh just refuses to to back down on some of the questions or some of the answers I should say.

SPEAKER_03 11:38

Oh, that would be my grandpa. I think I probably lost slices of pumpkin pie through the years because of disputed answers. Yeah. Trivia Pursuit shouldn't take a legal action.

SPEAKER_05 11:47

I'll tell you that when Trivia Pursuit actually got better for me, it was during the late 80s, like when they started refreshing the questions, the slide decks, and they started putting in um a lot more of the pop culture where you would start seeing like uh this multi-platinum singer was originally in a brother band back in, you know, and you know Michael Jackson. So they were talking about the dude that had the number one album at that time. So that's kind of when it got a lot more um and when they started folding in Michael Jordan and they started folding in you know all the contemporary stuff. So yeah, for sure. Well, boys, what I thought we would do tonight is I would pepper you with some questions. If you know the answer to the question, you'll say Joe John or Brad, and then uh you'll have a couple seconds to uh to answer the question. How's that sound?

SPEAKER_03 12:37

Okay, all right. Are you gonna tell us the category before the question, or is it just random?

SPEAKER_05 12:42

Um, it will be uh random somewhat random. That's fine. Yeah. Alright, so Mario debuted as a playable character in one 1981 video game. So where did we see Mario first? Donkey Kong. Oh John's right. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 13:00

John's right. Yeah, yeah. And that was even sports. Yeah, I'm gonna call that arts and leisure. I just got the purple.

SPEAKER_05 13:06

Right. So what was what was the princess's name? Who was he at going after his princess? I mean, because that was the whole goal of the game, was to for Mario to save from the princess from Kong.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

Yeah. I don't know. On the Wii, it's Princess Peach. Mario Kart?

SPEAKER_05 13:24

Oh Princess Pauline. Pauline, okay.

SPEAKER_01 13:28

Peach must be her sister.

SPEAKER_08 13:29

Alright. So when you said Mario Kart, I was gonna say Mario Kart, which was like too obvious. But yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:35

Alright, yeah, all the the quarters I spent at Aladdin's castle didn't go to waste. We had a deal, we had one arcade in Centerville. It's called Galaxy Port. Uh-huh. And if you were the first person in line when they opened up at nine o'clock, you got four quarters. Second person got three quarters on down the line. And so uh depending on where I was uh with lawn mowing and or your paper out your paper out, snow your shoveling, um you might find me at the number one or two position. It was kind of a uh I don't want to say I was uh always short on money, but there was definitely like four or five kids that were always battling for a little bit of a couple extra quarters, but uh yeah, it was that was kind of a place to have. I'll tell you where they made a lot of the money was that the Coke machine, yeah and all the stuff. The candy, yeah, the candy dispenser.

SPEAKER_08 14:31

Yeah. I remember going to the YMCA and um we figured out that we would go there, not necessarily for the video games, but we'd play like um pool or foosball or whatever. And if the game or if the uh dispenser was kind of slightly off, and you figured out that you could like pull, you know, get us I think it was a three Musketeers bars. Like if you hit the certain number, it would dispense more than one. Sure. Yeah, so you're just there getting the free giant candy bar as your big reward for going to the YMCA.

SPEAKER_05 15:04

John, we talked about this one time how Pizza Huts would have the sit-down video games in the TV. Yeah. And the Pizza Huts was kind of the first one that would load up multiple. You'd have Galaga, Donkey Kong, Pac-Man, and it'd be all on a machine, one machine.

SPEAKER_03 15:22

Yeah, the experience of Pizza Hut in the day is unmatched, and I don't think people can really appreciate how it kind of rolled into a place with some ambiance for the parents and arcade for the kids, good pizza, salad bar, pitchers of soda, it was amazing. And bygone.

SPEAKER_05 15:38

Yeah, it's gone. Well, now you can have it in one device. Like you could have 200 games in your phone or whatever, and the action is real time. Well, there's actually um, I will be honest, I played one of those stand-up machines at Costco, and the size of the machine is not apples to apples to what a full-size machine is, but all of the joystick action was exactly like it. The speed of it was just as fast. I mean, it would have scratched a niche if I was a 12-year-old kid to have that machine.

SPEAKER_03 16:10

They brought back the original pizza huts, right? There's like maybe a dozen of them around the country, one in Chicago, which maybe we need to incorporate into our visit there someday.

SPEAKER_05 16:18

Right. I'd like that, yeah. No, I'd like that a lot. I was just in the Washington Pizza Hut late. Oh, were you really? Like two weeks ago. Yeah, no, they still got that. It's not it's not one of the throwback packages, but it's pretty darn close. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 16:32

Log some time in there.

SPEAKER_05 16:34

All right, you guys want to do a little sports here? Sure. Let's give it a go. All right. How old was Mike Tyson when he became the heavyweight champion in 1986?

SPEAKER_01 16:44

19.

SPEAKER_03 16:44

That's right. Exactly what I was gonna say. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:47

Anybody else have a guess?

SPEAKER_03 16:48

I was going 19 all the way.

SPEAKER_05 16:50

19. He was 20 years old.

SPEAKER_03 16:54

Okay. All right. Must have won his first bout at 19. Started.

SPEAKER_05 16:58

Yeah, I think. I don't know if you guys were like this, but we would go to bars to go watch him fight. And after the fight was done, like the bar would just clear out.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

And it could be like 12 seconds to must see, much watch. Right. Yeah. First round.

SPEAKER_03 17:13

Much like the Pizza Hut of yesteryear, I don't think people, kids today would not understand what the heavyweight boxing title of the world meant. Yeah. In the 70s and 80s. It was like well, Larry Holmes, it was must watch T. Now when Larry Holmes had the belt, it was pay, you know, it was ABC, right? It was not pay-per-view, yeah, and all that stuff. And I think that came along during the Tyson era. And to your point, Joe, you would pay the money, you would go to a bar and pay a cover charge, and and you expected it to be like a 12, you wanted it to be like a 12-second fight.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:43

And remember like the pomp and circumstance around boxing, the sweet science. They'd come out in the robes, the tassels, and Tyson would come out in black shoes and like a like a towel with a hole cut in it over his neck. I mean, it was great. Yeah. It was like club or lang in real life. He just destroyed people. It's beautiful.

SPEAKER_05 18:01

Did you guys actually watch when you bit Evander Holyfield? Yeah, I saw that. I saw that. Yeah, yeah. For sure. I mean, it really, and even if you had a date, like she would go, she'd be excited about, oh, we went to the fight, you know. And they but yeah, he was he was really one of the greatest in a time when there were a lot of greatest. I mean, Jordan was the greatest. There was uh there were a lot of greatest, and he was one of those guys.

SPEAKER_03 18:25

Absolutely. It was pre-UFC, but it was better than UFC. It was bigger and more captivating. It was unbelievable what what boxing was in its high heyday.

SPEAKER_05 18:35

Do you want to move on to another one of the greatest? Sure. Let's do it. Which tennis star won three consecutive Wimbledon titles in the 1980s?

SPEAKER_08 18:43

I'm gonna say MacEnroe. I'm gonna say Bjorn Borg. I was gonna say Borg.

SPEAKER_05 18:48

It was John McEnroe. Was it MacEnro? You have to be kidding.

SPEAKER_06 18:51

Johnny Mack. Yes. Heck yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:55

That was another time. You know, when ABC had wide world of sports, yeah, that was really special when that was on. Because I mean, on any given afternoon, you might see Wimbledon, you might see the Tour de France, you might see bullfighting, you might see gymnastics, you might see I mean it was crazy. But he was he was very different than any.

SPEAKER_03 19:18

I mean, he excited that sport. Yeah. Well, that whole era. Mac and O'Connor, that rivalry that was must-watch TV. I would dare say my kids have probably never watched a professional tennis match on TV. Right. Yeah. And I bet a lot of you know, I don't know, most kids today probably have not. But again, in our era, especially Wimbledon, that was kind of like a Super Bowl. You watched Wimbledon. You didn't not watch it, right? Right. You had to. It was must-watch TV, and those were great characters. Birenborg, MacEnroe, Connors, Billy Gene King.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

Yeah. Yvonne Lendell.

SPEAKER_03 19:52

Yeah, he was like kind of changed the sport because he was the was he not the first aluminum racket? Because they were wood, right? Macnroe and all them, that was like wooden rackets. And then like late 80s, early 90s, it switched and serve speeds went from 90 to 110.

SPEAKER_05 20:05

Yeah. You know. Now my recollection of this, and I was a kid, but my recollection of this was tennis, it was it was an accessible kind of exotic sport. I mean, and um at that time, if you played golf, then you probably belonged to the country club. Yeah. Um, but tennis had public tennis courts. I mean, you could go play tennis, and a lot of people had tennis rackets, and um now I think golf has kind of turned into that. I think anybody that has you know a couple hundred bucks can go out and find yeah golf and be kind of okay and pretend like they're golfing legends. But at the time, you know, watching tennis was something that you appreciated because you knew because you played it, because it was well, Andre Agassi came along and he had a signature shoe that was like the Jordan.

SPEAKER_03 20:50

Air Jordan, I think, was the first one in the mid 80s, and then Andre Agassi had this tennis shoe that if you told me it outsold Air Jordan's like in the late 80s, it wouldn't surprise me because I worked at a sporting good store at the time, and like the Augusty was as popular as Air Jordan's. That's how big tennis was. Was it a Nike product? I don't remember. It was a Nike product, it was like purple and green, and okay. So it was probably late 80s, early 90s, yeah, fit into that motif. But yeah, it was tennis, it was a deal, and it's very much a niche sport now.

SPEAKER_05 21:18

All right, here I will serve up a uh lollipop for you boys. We'll switch categories here. What was the name of the theme park the Griswolds were traveling to in National Ampoons vacation?

SPEAKER_03 21:31

Gosh, can anyone name that? Brad, we're just gonna let you go with it, Brad.

SPEAKER_05 21:36

Moose out front, I should have told you. What was it? Roy Wally World.

SPEAKER_08 21:45

Yep. Sorry, folks. Park's closed. Loose out front should have told you.

SPEAKER_05 21:50

You know, that was such a great movie, and it I think it really kind of nailed everybody's kind of common experience of what a vacation. was like with the family. And also I want to say that that summer was like super hot. So being inside of an air conditioned movie theater, it seemed like that was one of those movies everybody had seen once or twice. But yeah. Or three or four times. Right.

SPEAKER_03 22:17

Everyone had that committed to memory.

SPEAKER_05 22:19

And the other thing about that movie was it also hit about the time when VCRs, whether you had one or you had to go rent it, it's that was like one of the movies that you rented that always had. Or if somebody was going to buy a movie, so if you did rent a VCR or had a VCR, that you would have it at your house so you didn't have to rent it again.

SPEAKER_03 22:39

So well and if you've seen the John Candy documentary I like me that they were at a kind of a crossroads or a stalemate, the writers and producers of what to do with that ending of the movie when they got to the park. Yeah that was a character that John had played on SCTV and he kind of did it as a solid to plug in and play that character as the security guard and really was the perfect note you know for that whole sequence. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:06

Who played Roy Wally? Eddie Bracken. Okay. Picture and what else is he in? Yeah I'm going after that now this is where somebody's uncle would be very handy right now. If you were to say Eddie Bracken he would know so well he was like the first lieutenant mika's navy right well actually he was in our gang he was one of the many people that was in our gang which was I think part of the Little Rascals group he had a show. Eddie Bracken actually had a show. He had numerous radio shows.

SPEAKER_01 23:38

Come on there's got to be something more than national ampoons he was in showboat but that was uh his high point was he was in the the theatrical rendition of showboat where he played Captain Hawkins wasn't he the toy store owner in Home Alone 2 or yes and then he absolutely was in New York in New York New York City yes that's exactly where he was yeah yes he was no doubt about that he gave uh what's his name the turtle doves the turtle doves good poll that's absolutely right wow Joe coming in with a can I count that for the uh geography section yeah yes exactly the New York trivia yes Joe gets a gold PC triangle yeah that's a great poll and that is absolutely right wow all right we'll go on here with another entertainment what kind of car does Ferris Bueller borrow from Cameron's dad in Ferris Bueller's day off I will just take the point no it's a Ferrari but it's it's a 68 Ferrari let's get more specific.

SPEAKER_03 24:37

Joe do you know the year I would say like it's 68 is what I'm gonna guess.

SPEAKER_05 24:41

I thought it was a Porsche Sir Mac could know he would know exactly what it is. It's kind of one of the most famous Ferraris it's a 61 250 GT which was kind of the the what you would see all the you know everybody have I can't remember what Magnum PI had but he had the you know oh yeah like the early 80s version yeah the mid 80s personalized plates on that anyone want to remember that pretty sure it was nervous wasn't it wasn't those the personalized plates on could be yeah Cameron's dad's car I'm pretty sure let my people go yeah that I will tell you that show was super iconic it's you know it puts Chicago on the map in about 20 different ways that uh uh who was the uh who was the sausage king of Chicago Abe Froman Abe Abe Froman the sausage king of Chicago yeah that was great it also catapulted the name Sloane for girls for about 30 years I want Sloane out in front of the high school in 20 minutes and I want you out there too goddamn it Rooney Rooney he goes into the the arcade your ass is mine grabs the girl looks like Pat Benatar classic scene so my uh we talked about opening day I mean obviously that's a great sequence of the movie is when they go to the Cubs game and for many years when my son was young we had a tradition of skipping one day of school and going to a Cubs game.

SPEAKER_03 26:19

We call it our first Bueller day so that's awesome. My Cubs jersey that I wear is Bueller 85 that I always wear to regularly I love it.

SPEAKER_05 26:25

I think probably one of the most moving scenes and it actually moved me the first time I saw it is when they're going through the Chicago Art Institute and they get to the picture of what's it Sunday day off or Sunday afternoon whatever it's called where they're all kind of looking at the lakefront in some impressionistic photo or painting a Sunday on Le Grand Jate by George Surratt 1884. And even then it it caught I understood that you need to take a day to just relax. You know and when we were kids every day was fun. Every day you wanted to shoot baskets every day you wanted to play but that was not wasted on me the fact that they spent so much time with that painting.

SPEAKER_03 27:09

And that if you see any documentaries about Jonathan John Hughes like that was Judio did not want to pay for like the two days of filming to do that sequence. But he wanted that in because it turned the movie from just a kind of a slapstick comedy into a very poignant you know coming of age movie and he did that in a lot of his other movies as well but that was clearly a defining moment in that movie that gave it a lot of depth.

SPEAKER_05 27:32

Yeah so she it's like isn't it like right when you come in it's like one of the first big walls when you enter the uh Chicago artist I think my favorite my favorite part of this painting of everything is the fact that a woman has a monkey on a leash she's got she's got a small dog and a monkey on a leash. That must have been the thing to have I don't know. So any more information about uh Bears Beeler's day off you want to share? No I think we're good. Alright let's go to a different category here geography. Here we go. Um I don't know if we can go to geography but we can go to who is most commonly referred to as the king of pop during the 1980s. Yeah I would say I mean Michael Jackson became the king of pop so I guess that's gotta be the answer even in the 80s unless a 70s star was called that in the 80s but I would say the sequin glove right and who was referred to as the queen of pop during the 1980s. It's harder because there were a couple queens Whitney Houston I don't think it's Whitney.

SPEAKER_08 28:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 28:42

I'm going to Madonna but I don't know it was Madonna was it?

SPEAKER_08 28:46

Yeah okay good call let's see how many hits Madonna had well she had like a surgeon so I had um a Madonna poster above your bed I had a Madonna poster in Fishnet yeah so my my wall had an Iron Maiden poster a grateful dead poster and Madonna sure so there you go yeah any questions Brad trade true played trivial pursuit by himself a lot in the 80s I also had the uh the movie poster for um what did I tell you John bike ride recently it was um oh god blame it on Rio blame it on Rio Remember when you could go down to the theater and after they put the the posters up they would sell them or maybe even give them away I don't even know if I paid for them but I somehow got my hands on the blame it on Rio poster and it was on the back of the door yeah the back of the door to my bedroom.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

And it was kind of a risque poster for the audience yeah it was I I remember that movie poster.

SPEAKER_05 29:47

It was awesome to have something that had cultural reference to it. Yeah yeah I mean it could be a movie that really nobody cared about but they knew it was a movie poster. Yep or just having like uh albums displayed like having an a minute work album displayed in your room was kind of a cool thing or a jersey a basket a Jordan basketball jersey hanging up on your wall.

SPEAKER_03 30:09

So yeah well you named your three posters the top three I had on my wall I had a Christy brinkley the blue swimsuit one Heather Locklear and then the and I had a movie poster cobra Sylvester Stallone with a match hanging really yeah a hundred percent yeah yep Joe Crime is a disease and the cure and only one I had was the the classic Farrafaucet.

SPEAKER_08 30:34

Oh yeah if you're gonna have one that's the one to have my buddy Scott Kinsler had that and I was very jealous of that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:41

Joe where'd you grow up?

SPEAKER_05 30:43

Um Iowa City I guess middle school through high school so you had a lot of places that you could get stuff did you actually like did you go into town like when you're in high school were you allowed to go like into the downtown we we didn't I didn't not like Phipps did.

SPEAKER_03 30:59

He um no but you only had one poster I mean Fair Foss is a strong poster but you didn't like have additionals. Keep it simple.

SPEAKER_08 31:10

I yeah didn't less is more sometimes yeah yeah I think I think I think I had a Dick Butkus poster at one time too.

SPEAKER_03 31:17

Was it a taste great less filling poster no it was like him and like playing football remember the the posters that looked kind of like the the the cards you would get it was one of those yeah it was like a very basic well when I was like 10 years old I had the Dallas Cowboys doomsday defense like the poster with him in the graveyard and then I had metalark lemon metal from the Harlem Glow Trotters yeah yeah yeah then I you know about 1213 you ripped that down and put up Christy Burton say like that's you're right.

SPEAKER_05 31:47

I think when I had Dick Buckus it was like much earlier than right I had one poster um but it was a great poster it was a life size poster of uh Harvey Villachet you did wow but not not from Fantasy Island from his uh appearance in the James Bond movie The Man with the golden gun from when he was in a mariachi band no it wasn't but uh he he was in a tasteful two-piece all right any more about that note any more about small people posters all right let's go back to uh now geography The Simpsons originally debuted as a series and a short of what television show Tracy Allman show that's right yeah didn't have it really yeah so it was a short it was like a a three minute short in the Tracy Allman show and the Tracy Allman show was one of the Fox broadcasting's very first um shows that they had the only way you could get Fox that wasn't on a cable package was over the air it was on an aerial matter of fact the first time I ever saw the Simpsons I was in Cincinnati Iowa and we were at uh the Dudley's house and all they had was aerial television they didn't you can just they had an antenna that you had to kind of navigate and the first time I saw Tracy Ullman show I was like what is this? I mean because it was like a uh well it was like Carol Burnett except not reverent at all. Yeah it was great.

SPEAKER_08 33:36

So Tracy Ullman that's Donnie and then there was Donnie um Allman and then Marie and then Tracy was she was a uh no but go ahead and keep telling us the story because I like the traction she was the sister in the brothers band right a little bit country the first time I saw the Simpsons it was a short that played before movies in Milwaukee.

SPEAKER_03 33:59

Because we would go to Milwaukee several times a year for holidays because we had family there and at like the Marcus theaters they would play little cartoon shorts and it was the Simpsons like whatever early 80s.

SPEAKER_05 34:10

Right and same as you it was like mind blowing like this is the most hilarious thing most irreverent thing right and then it was years later it became a thing on Fox TV that we all saw but right it was I will tell you the thing that made me love it the most was the fact that like Tipper Gore hated it the Catholic Church hated it that you know everybody hated it and the main reason they hated it was because Bart Simpson told his dad to eat my shorts is like irreverent I was like it and it I watched like what's the big hubbub other than the fact that authority did not like it.

SPEAKER_03 34:45

I was like I am really into this but and then it spawned things like South Park yeah it's like made it PG all the way like Simpsons are not even on the radar of irreverent now. Right.

SPEAKER_05 34:57

The only thing that was like really a little bit controversial well actually it was a lot controversial was every episode of the Simpson ended with Homer strangling Bart like actually putting hands on it and Bart's eyes popping out him losing a little bit of breath and stuff like that. That's what parents should have been but that's what the parents like most attached with like yeah I would so kill my kid if I could but they were worried about the the shorts I thought the most controversial thing was the arcade game sucked so bad.

SPEAKER_03 35:26

It had so much potential and it was a terrible arcade game.

SPEAKER_05 35:30

It was a whiff uh all right here we go what city did the golden girls live in no idea well if we're gonna take a random guess Pensacola Florida I was gonna say yeah I was gonna say West Coast I was gonna say somewhere in California the house that is filmed is absolutely in California but I think I would guess the setting was Florida.

SPEAKER_01 35:54

Joe where you at oh I don't know like Sun City West and Phoenix those Randy swingers lived in villages back in the day.

SPEAKER_05 36:04

Right everybody gets uh everybody gets their penicillin shot at so it was Miami Florida Miami okay um all right so it kind of resurrected the careers of several of the the women yeah uh well especially Maude right like B.

SPEAKER_03 36:20

Arthur she's like more woman than most women you know and more man than most men you know I love that you refer to her as Maud That was a spin-off that was I think that was an Archie Bunker spin-off I think that I think you're 100% right it was she was like the Archie's yeah she was Edith's sister yes really oh yeah where they had to like Edith Bunker's they had to take the train to like Queens to see her and Archie had to like navigate the train station and it was a wonderfully politically incorrect episode. That's great. Can you name another great spin-off of Archie Bunker?

SPEAKER_05 37:00

Jefferson's yeah that was probably ultimate and that maybe came as close to meeting the excellence of of Archie Bunker.

SPEAKER_03 37:11

Yeah that was good stuff yeah it was fantastic also a wonderful theme song yeah you know TV theme song moving on up lost art TV theme songs right I mean they were so good in the 70s and 80s there was sort of like an art form to them totally correct well I mean the part of the theme song was great and now we can go back to um Gilligan's Island.

SPEAKER_05 37:31

Yeah if you had never seen one episode of Gilligan's Island yeah if you listen to the theme song boom you were caught up yeah you just listen to the theme song all right here I am yeah what's the episode there's Harlem Globetrotters makes sense yeah there was cook coconuts and radios makes sense yeah and all the theme songs are like that it told the story of the show without you ever having to watch an episode. Every once in a while you would get a uh a theme song that you knew wasn't for you but it turned you on to stuff like the theme song of uh Chico and the man you're like yeah I I appreciate other cultures that was about as much culture as I had growing up in 52544 but I knew it was different and I appreciated it. Right? So some of these women n didn't necessarily get uh along here on the Golden Girls. Oh really? Yeah and I think B. Arthur was a good part of the problem.

SPEAKER_03 38:26

Yeah she didn't get along with oh a lot of people but I'm trying to find the age of how old these women were yeah that's kind of surprising I'm pretty sure if you look it up because whoever played the oldest that was wasn't yeah was like the youngest actress in the whole thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 38:43

So at the start of the show Sophia Petrello who was Estelle Getty was 62 Betty White was 63 B. Arthur was 63 and Ruma Clanahan was 51. So B. Arthur and Betty White were the same actually Estelle the the oldest the one that was supposed to look oldest was 62 and uh yeah she I think Estelle went off and got cosmetic surgery and came back after a layoff and the makeup department was like what the hell what she's she looks like she's like in her mid forties now what are we supposed to do?

SPEAKER_03 39:18

Right. Well how about going back and looking at some of those sitcoms and other shows and seeing what the age of those actors were at the time like Mr. Drummond from different strokes was like 49. Right he was like that much younger than us.

SPEAKER_05 39:32

Yeah and God you sent me an agent who you sent me a picture of somebody one time I was like oh it's Ed Esner I was like God I wish I was as in good a shape as Ed Esner is oh yeah when he was like doing the tug of war on the beach right oh yes we watched that yeah um Battle of the Stars or whatever it was Battle of the network stars younger than us at that age right that was that's golden I'd forgotten all about that. Yeah that was that's when TV stars were TV stars the battle of the network stars I really they tried to bring it back and they tried to do it like really try to be faithful to the bat battle of network stars it's just so hard to recreate it's just it was so organic back then and just everything made sense when you saw Gabe Kaplan and Delhi Sopolic Gabe Kaplan Gabe Kaplan. Oh my god that was one of the greatest athletic performances of the 80s and right in like who did he raise Robert Conrad Conrad that's right for the all the marbles and yeah so when you see him standing there like of course Robert Conrad's gonna win a foot race and then Gabe Kaplan laces it up and just kicks most like what is this Gabe Kaplan? Where did this come from? And it wasn't by a little bit either and there and it was so bad that he at the very end he did he couldn't say anything other than like Kaplan kicked my ass.

SPEAKER_03 40:52

Yeah well we tease him a lot but hit him on the spot.

SPEAKER_08 40:55

Exactly Cotter was a I mean welcome backter yeah that was great TV.

SPEAKER_03 41:02

Oh amazing absolutely I loved it do you remember how large Brooklyn was back in the day the fourth largest city in America do you remember that from the opening that was like the Is that what it said?

SPEAKER_05 41:12

Yes the opening sequence fourth largest city in America Brooklyn New York all right let's do a little uh music here oh boy here we go Brad let's go so if you spent any time in the weight room during the 80s you'll know the answer to that gone which band released their album Appetite for Destruction in 1987 so they definitely benefited from the advent of MTV for sure but they also I think had a lot of success in the fact that they mixed their albums for car stereos I mean it's it's everybody had a great car system. Yeah that was a big deal right what was oh the outfield remember that your love just is on a vacation far away yeah for a long time I thought that was the only lyrics because when a car went past you that's all you would hear you wouldn't hear the the rest of the the album but yeah so Guns N'Roses um Axl Rose uh they had like I don't know how many days a year they were out on tour yeah but I mean they were the kings of they were the the staff bears of rock and roll it's probably the last great era for rock and roll before Grunch hit and then yeah the the genre kind of just fell apart.

SPEAKER_03 42:33

Yeah yeah that was like Sunset Strip heavy metal yeah you know Guns and Roses Van Halen ACT poison down the line like they were at the Roxy and all those clubs up and down Sunset Strip and then it just became but Guns N'Roses yeah they were as big as any of them.

SPEAKER_08 42:50

Yeah Joel Leiden and I worked at Hive and he had a transam the the the Transam that had the the bird on the front yeah is he 28 years old and still hanging around the high school parking lot 16 year old girls well we used to yeah we would sometimes have uh some bottles of what was it called jungle juice but what was it called what was the mad dog mad dog oh 2020 boone's farm mad dog boone's farm sun country and they would all the all the great vintages they would they would find their way into the back of his uh Transam and Guns N' Roses going up and down the four lanes that was 1986 or whatever it was things that found their way to the back of the Transam Mad Dog 2020 and freshman girls all right so what are we drinking on here?

SPEAKER_05 43:45

What is this?

SPEAKER_08 43:45

Oh yeah this is um Joe tell us a little bit about this or winnings from it's called Bomburgers and someone told me that it's the um next level is it Mickters or whiskey of Mickters that's it right that's it's

SPEAKER_01 44:00

What at one point was Baumburgers distillery. And when when they brought Micters back or created Micters, Baumburgers and then Shanks is the other previous distillery that was before Micter's. Okay. And so this is their annual, you know, super release, the deal do a Baum Burgers, and then they do a Shanks.

SPEAKER_03 44:19

So an homage to the kind of original name at the nail? Yep. And do you know what we have? Is this a weeded bourbon? Do you know what we're doing?

SPEAKER_01 44:26

Yeah, I'm not I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_07 44:28

Okay. It's a brown juice. Okay. It's got a very copper note to it. And you want to just do a can you do a nosing and a tasting for a spray?

SPEAKER_08 44:38

It's brown. Wow. Yeah. And then you just bread fried.

SPEAKER_05 44:43

Is there anybody that loves brown juice more than Brad? Cherry and oak? Yeah. Cherry and oak and maybe a little.

SPEAKER_03 44:51

It's gotta be weeded.

SPEAKER_05 44:52

Yeah, it's pretty fruity.

SPEAKER_03 44:53

Yeah, very fruity.

SPEAKER_05 44:55

That's smooth. It tastes it tastes a lot different when we haven't had a thousand sours and stouts and out in a gravel parking lot.

SPEAKER_08 45:03

The first time I had this, it was in the hot sun. Well, not hot, but the warm sun. It feels a little proofy. 76. It's 108. It's a little hot.

SPEAKER_03 45:12

Yeah, it brings some heat.

SPEAKER_08 45:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:14

This is nice. Thank you.

SPEAKER_08 45:15

It makes me want to ride uphill into a into a headwind.

SPEAKER_03 45:20

And we are pairing these with a Heinz ice cream sandwich that we bring up a poly ice pizza.

SPEAKER_08 45:25

Which makes me want to ride downhill.

SPEAKER_05 45:27

Brad, it just amazes me you drink such good bourbon and such bad tequila. I know.

SPEAKER_08 45:34

It's it's it's weird, isn't it?

SPEAKER_05 45:36

I mean, I could see the good bourbon part of it, but then insisting on the bad tequila part of it just blows my mind.

SPEAKER_08 45:41

You're gonna have tequila. Just go go go at it. To the worst you can possibly do. Yeah, just let it burn.

SPEAKER_05 45:47

Let it burn. Well, thank you for sharing this. This is a nice guys. Cheers. Delicious knackers. Cheers. All right. You guys ready for a speedrun? Let's do it. Alright, so I'm gonna give you four gaming systems from the 1980s. And then after that, I'm going to uh give you the game that debuted on that gaming system, and you're gonna try to match up the debut game to the gaming system. So the first gaming system game to game. Yeah, so so you're gonna put down the system first. So just write down Atari 2600. Atari. The second gaming system is Intellivision, the third gaming system is ColecoVision, and then the last gaming system is Nintendo. Alright, and so then what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna give you the games first, so you can kind of contemplate it a little bit, and then I'll go back and give you the games again. So the games that we're going to be playing with um this time are Zagzon, Major League Baseball, Pitfall, and Legend of Zelda. Alright, so I will give them to you again. So match the game Zagzon with one of the the next is Pitfall. The next game is Legend of Zelda, and at last is Major League Baseball, yeah. Alright. Anybody need more time?

SPEAKER_01 47:12

Yeah, just one more second.

SPEAKER_08 47:17

Admittedly not. I didn't own any of this technology except the Atari.

SPEAKER_05 47:22

I will tell you, the person in our house that controlled ruled the Atari, and we were a one television home was my mom. So uh we had uh some say in the television shows on certain nights. Yeah. Um, but we had no say when my mom wanted to play Atari. That's fair. Right. Matter of fact, when one of her big Christmas gifts just a couple years ago was an Atari, and we just kind of thought it would be a funny knockoff thing, and I think they still have a television that accommodates the uh whatever RCA card or whatever it is. That's awesome. No, sluggish slugging a television through the generation, so my mom can still get her Donkey Kong on. That's awesome. Alright, you guys ready? I think so. I mean so we'll start with you, Brad. What did you have? What was the gaming system for Pitfall? Atari. John? Coleco. Joe?

SPEAKER_01 48:18

I had Nintendo.

SPEAKER_05 48:19

And Pitfall debuted on the Atari 2600. Really? Okay.

SPEAKER_01 48:25

I'm pretty sure I'm gonna go over four. Yeah, I will tell you.

SPEAKER_08 48:28

Listen, I did not pick. We had Atari and we played Pitfall, so I was calling it.

SPEAKER_03 48:33

Well, I know it was on all the games, but I actually thought it debuted on Kalina. So the question is where did it okay where did it start?

SPEAKER_05 48:40

Yeah, right, right. Because all of these people at some point now Nintendo was the most notorious for holding on to their games. Okay. Yeah, there was a there were a lot of crossovers. No. Um so we will go to the next one, and this was one of my favorites because it was the most um detailed and the most responsive, you know, accurate to response. You had to actually press the right buttons in order to make it work. So, Joe, what'd you have for Major League Baseball? In television. Joe uh John Intellivision. Brad. Nintendo. It was Intellivision. And my buddy had Chad Kessner had three gaming systems, and he was the only person that had Intellivision, and that thing took a pounding. I mean, it really took a pounding. And I don't even know where you would get an Intellivision. I mean, they had to have gone to Des Moines in order to pull that off or Cedar Rapids or something like that. Because in Centerville, they just didn't have you couldn't go to Pomida to get an Intelli or Western Auto.

SPEAKER_03 49:39

Well, and you were talking about remember the insert you would put in. Yeah. And then you would have to hit it, had all the players on it, and when the ball was hit, you'd have to hit the right fielder, field it, yeah, in first base to throw it. But there was one fatal flaw with major league baseball in television, and that is you could bunt for a home run, right? Right. And nobody would bunt, right, and it got all the way to the fence, right? You would call it a home run.

SPEAKER_05 50:01

Right. Oh. They and and television had another great game, it was called B-52 Bomber. Uh-huh. Um, I should I shouldn't have said it's a great game. They had a game called B-52 Bomber, and you basically had moments of like you'd go six minutes of just flying around Europe before you would have any action. There'd be like 25 seconds of bombing, and then it was another five minutes of doing nothing except flying over France. Alright, so uh the next one, Zagzon. Oh so Zagzon, I think, was had kind of these geometric shapes, and then you were on the outside of it with a uh shape. I will tell you, you controlled it with a rotator pod, so that that will kind of tell you who this was if you don't already have it. So Zagzon.

SPEAKER_03 50:56

Oh I'm gonna go with Coleco, and I'm changing that because I had pitfalls Coleco, right? No, I I had Coleco as well.

unknown 51:03

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 51:04

So Coleco, yeah, it was Coleco. So one of the things about Coleco that I thought was that I liked quite a bit was you could still play a lot of like tennis and pong and stuff like that. But Coleco was also like a lot of the racing games. Yeah, a lot of because you basically had this miniature steering wheel at your access where you could race Grand Prix and some kind of fast processors too, so you could actually feel like it you were racing. Uh alright, so last but not least, a game that I think they just re-released on multiple systems, the Legend of Zelda. Brad.

SPEAKER_08 51:39

Well, I mean, I've I've got a lot of things crossed out here, and I didn't play a lot of these games to be honest with you, but it must be Nintendo.

SPEAKER_01 51:46

Right, Joe? No, I had it, I thought it was an Atari game.

SPEAKER_05 51:49

So that would make sense. I would say so. If you played Legend of Zelda, John, what'd you have?

SPEAKER_03 51:55

Well, full disclosure, I originally had Intellivision, but it's obviously Nintendo by process of elimination.

SPEAKER_05 52:01

Right. So you know, this game is has ColecoVision or Intellivision written all over it. I mean, it is it it blows me away that it was a Nintendo game because Nintendo games are kind of fast and responsive, like Super Mario Brothers. Um, but no, it debuted as a legend of Zelda and Nintendo Entertainment Systems. So Alright, boys, you got it all out of your systems. I think so. Another great pod. Joe, thanks for dropping by, man. It's always good to see you. I'm glad we got to have a little whiskey with you again. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:31

Thanks, Brad, for this.

SPEAKER_05 52:34

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