Deep Dive Pod 30 ( Mike Haight & Hap Peterson ) 1985 Iowa Hawkeyes & NFL Draft

 There are seasons that are etched themselves into the identity of college football programs and serve as a vantage point where historians can say before this team and after this team, and every fan would agree. For the Iowa Hawkeyes, the 1985 Hawkeyes were just that season.

Ten wins, a Big Ten championship, five weeks ranked as number one in the nation, a Rose Bowl berth, and a win over the second ranked Michigan that still echoes through the Kinnick Stadium like it happened just yesterday.

But the story of the team goes deeper than rankings and records. It was a team built in the trenches, anchored by leaders who established the culture of what it meant to be a Hawkeye even today. On one side of the ball, an offensive lineman who helped pave the way for stars like Chuck Long and Ronnie Harmon, and himself earning a Big Ten Offensive Lineman of the Year award along the way.

On the other side of the line, a dominant nose guard, first team all Big Ten selection, and the cornerstone of a defense that made misery for opposing teams all over the Midwest.

Together, they led one of the greatest teams in Hawkeye history. A team shaped by the vision of Hayden Fry, a team that was physically dominant, unselfish, and accountable to each other, and possibly produced some of the funniest off-field stories of the entire program history.

So today we're stepping back in history to an unforgettable era, the wins, the cultures, and yes, maybe even a few stories that help earn Iowa a reputation as one of the most legendary college football programs in the country. Joining us today are co-captains of the iconic 1985 team, Mike Hate and Hap Peterson.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:02

Our third captain is Daryl Dragon. Daryl Dragon? Who who is Daryl Dragon and what was he the captain of?

SPEAKER_02 0:11

Daryl Dragon. Did he work with Ron Jeremy? Cousin to Peter Dragon?

SPEAKER_05 0:16

I don't know who Peter Dragon Peter Dragon, yeah. I know who he is.

SPEAKER_01 0:21

That's how Uncle Pink got his nickname. That sounds like a dragon. Pinky Dragon.

SPEAKER_06 0:32

Alright, here we are, boys. Flow nays, Allegra.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

So I doing right with me.

SPEAKER_06 0:39

We are right in the middle of allergy Steason, man. This is my favorite time of year. I like to hear like uh all the local radio people and all the local television people cutting their ads with the stuffed nose. Plus, there's I we've had so much rain. I heard the weather guy the other day saying that we are getting pollen from other places in the United States because we're all having these updraft storms. So it's like pollen from Kansas.

SPEAKER_03 1:03

Yeah, I I knew that because I care so much about the weather and I watch so much of the weather channel. So thanks for telling me something I already knew.

SPEAKER_06 1:10

All right. So we have special guests tonight, so we're gonna get right to it. There are seasons that are etched themselves into the identity of college football programs and serve as a vantage point where historians can say before this team and after this team, and every fan would agree. For the Iowa Hawkeyes, the 1985 Hawkeyes were just that season. It was a statement. Ten wins, a Big Ten championship, five weeks ranked as number one in the nation, a Rose Bowl berth, and a win over the second ranked Michigan that still echoes through the Kennick Stadium like it happened just yesterday. But the story of the team goes deeper than rankings and records. It was a team built in the trenches, anchored by leaders who established the culture of what it meant to be a Hawkeye even today. On one side of the ball, an offensive lineman who helped pave the way for stars like Chuck Long and Ronnie Harmon, and himself earning a Big Ten Offensive Lineman of the Year award along the way. On the other side of the line, a dominant nose guard, first team all Big Ten selection, and the cornerstone of a defense that made misery for opposing teams all over the Midwest. Together, they led one of the greatest teams in Hawkeye history. A team shaped by the vision of Hayden Fry, a team that was physically dominant, unselfish, and accountable to each other, and possibly produced some of the funniest off-field stories of the entire program history. So today we're stepping back in history to an unforgettable era, the wins, the cultures, and yes, maybe even a few stories that help earn Iowa a reputation as one of the most legendary college football programs in the country. Joining us today are co-captains of the iconic 1985 team, Mike Hate and Hap Peterson. Gentlemen, welcome to the deep dive. Hey guys, how are you doing? Thank you, fellas. Yeah, you bet. Thanks for coming back, Hap. You bet. Got a lot of great feedback, Hap, and people really enjoyed the time that you came on with Jay. And since then, Jay's been hired as a coach. I know.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

Good luck. Good luck. He's he's a great guy. They needed to hire him, and uh he's having a ball. He really he loves it.

SPEAKER_06 3:12

It's kind of funny because the night that we podcasted, yeah, he uh he was going to be a consultant for an analyst for and things have progressed since then. Now he's a running back coach.

SPEAKER_02 3:22

He's a running back coach, yeah. Now this is a guy, this is a guy who you know was offensive coordinator at a lot of top programs in Nebraska, Texas, uh UCLA, and and and other places, and and played a lot of ball. So now he's a running backs coach, not to dispourage any running backs coach, but I asked him, I said, so what's gonna be most important? Is it gonna be a jab step or is it gonna be a shuffle step? You know what I mean? That's that's about the extent of it, you know, and and one route.

SPEAKER_06 3:48

All right, hey, Hap, you have brought our guest tonight, and um, we're lucky to have him. Maybe you can do the introductions.

SPEAKER_02 3:54

I'd love to. Well, so uh tonight we have with us uh Mike Hate. Mike Hate is a Dyersville Beckman man, uh all-state football player from there. We played tight end before he came here, much like a lot of Iowa star athletes uh that moved to the interior of Iowa's uh offensive line. Started off as a tight end. And uh Mikey came in at I don't know, what were you like 230? 215. 215. No, we both came in at the same weight, 215.

SPEAKER_07 4:20

I had a pencil neck and yours was just a little bit bigger.

SPEAKER_02 4:23

That's about right. Yeah, we called we called Mike the wood hauler because he was uh he was pretty fast uh but couldn't catch a cold. So it's a good thing he moved inside.

SPEAKER_07 4:33

Yeah, was uh I don't know, I was allergic to the ball. I wasn't used to getting the ball.

SPEAKER_02 4:38

Anyway, he was uh he and I came in together uh same time in 1981. Oddly enough, the same year Kirk Ferrens came in into uh our folds uh as offensive line coach and uh and had the good fortune to live next to each other in the dorms.

SPEAKER_07 4:54

Yeah, actually we were actually roommates too in our final fifth uh season. Yeah. Uh because I take that back, it was uh right after our fourth because we got to leave the dorms, yeah, and then we got to live together till the summer, and then I got married and I found me a new roommate that didn't snore.

SPEAKER_00 5:12

Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 5:14

Mike, where are you from? Dyersville, uh up uh towards Dubuque, and uh it's about 20 miles west of Dubuque, and then another 20 miles west of that is Manchester, another big uh Hawkeye uh location. Uh I have some cousins there, and those I think that's about all there is for uh any hate uh related people in in the state of Iowa. Who recruited you? Actually, the person who recruited me uh was gone by the time the season started. Uh he recruited me as a defensive end. I also played defensive end, defensive tackle, nose guard, and middle linebacker wherever they wanted me on defense, whatever, depending on what team it was. But defensive end, I was known to chase down the quarterback from the backside and uh tackle him in the backfield before he'd uh run a sweep around the other way. Or so I I was pretty uh fast. He's pretty modest. Yeah, he's pretty modest.

SPEAKER_02 6:06

Just to just real quick, uh, when he was uh senior after he got done playing on pro day, I think he ran like a 475 at like 285 pounds as an offensive lineman. So that's that's why he got the name Woodhall. Yeah. Because the guy was fast.

SPEAKER_07 6:21

I could get my stuff moving.

SPEAKER_04 6:23

Yeah. All right. So I jumping into the football part of this a little bit, it's spring and it's springtime, and I'm kind of curious what the difference is now in spring ball versus when you guys played. I I'm sure it's a little bit more regimented now and probably not as intense now, right? They limit pads and they limit a lot of stuff. So what was spring training like, both formal in the program? And then did you guys do any outside the program spring conditioning on your own? Um so go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 6:48

Uh in regards to conditioning, we that was sort of separated. Uh, we usually had winter conditioning, and that was led by uh coach Bill Dervich. He's still in the area, he's no longer with the program, but he's very much in our hearts uh part of the program uh as a former Hawkeye. And um he used to uh make us run our buns off out there. Um and the first uh four years uh we were both there at uh Iowa for five years, uh, we ended up getting a bubble for getting some uh wins in those years that we came in. Uh that definitely helped. When you win, you start getting uh added benefits such as new weights, new weight room, new classrooms, new locker rooms, uh a more training table. Uh and then the the all-important was that bubble because when we started going to bowl games, which both of us got to go to the Rose Bowl our first year. Unfortunately we lost to Washington. I won't mention the score, but uh we got beat handedly. We played uh the following year after that we played against um Well, I actually was in the Peach Bowl, right? And that was uh what team was uh Tennessee. Tennessee Tennessee, yeah. We beat them the following year after that. We played uh in the Gator Bowl and then we played. Stadium froze. Oh, yeah. Uh any of our families that went down there, they're all wearing shorts, uh t-shirts, uh, or lighter. Uh the stadium froze entirely. The bathrooms, no one could use the use the bathrooms.

SPEAKER_02 8:20

Even under a pond.

SPEAKER_07 8:23

Yeah, that it was a mouse. Uh, and then we ended up uh getting beat there too, if I remember right.

SPEAKER_02 8:28

Yeah, yeah. Last minute.

SPEAKER_07 8:30

And then our fourth year, uh, we went to a brand new bowl uh called the Freedom Bowl, and that was probably one of the biggest, best uh bowl games uh from the heart of uh Coach Fry uh because we were playing the almighty Texas team in University of Texas. They hated Hayden Frye because he was a coach uh down at uh what uh team was it?

SPEAKER_02 8:54

North Texas. North Texas.

SPEAKER_07 8:56

He's at SMU too, wasn't he?

SPEAKER_02 8:57

Yeah, SMU, yeah, both of those places. He beat them both.

SPEAKER_07 9:00

Yeah, uh they didn't have very good memories of him, so they wanted to kick uh his Iowa ass all the way back to Iowa. If people remember, uh we embarrassed them, and I should say uh Chuck Long was a huge part of that, but Hayden was the the puppet master.

SPEAKER_02 9:16

Well go back to go back to the spring ball. Spring ball, we we not like the the patty cake stuff they do today where where the only the only they only hit on Saturdays. You know, we we had five days oh yeah five straight days of pads and and torture and it was full on full on combat every uh every day. Yeah and that was what we we we go for what five six weeks, something like that?

SPEAKER_07 9:39

Yeah, it was at least five weeks. We may I think a couple times uh didn't we have spring break in there too, that uh we'd come back and still come back to practice.

SPEAKER_04 9:48

So had to come back from practice after spring break. Yeah, so spring practices get pretty chippy, I would guess, very those days.

SPEAKER_07 9:54

And at that time, Hayden Fry uh invited uh everybody uh in the state to come watch us. The they actually I I don't I don't think they ever charged, but I think he got it into where people would bring a can of food for donation to uh the uh food pantry. Pantry, yeah. Which I thought was an absolutely awesome idea. And then not to mention anybody could come in and get there as early as you want, uh get a great seat with their kid or their family.

SPEAKER_02 10:23

There was a few other cans too, I'm sure, that were brought. Yeah, soda pop, I'm sure it was. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_04 10:27

Or root beer, maybe. So you guys came in together, and you said earlier that you came in at like the exact same weight and kind of progressed through the program together to offensive and defensive line respectively. How many fist fights have the two of you been in on the practice field through the years against each other in those spring practices?

SPEAKER_07 10:44

Well, luckily for me, probably, because Hap was uh all-state uh and champion uh wrestling. Uh I think his moves he probably would have had me in a pretzel. Uh probably would have been a few punches on there too, or maybe a few shots to the ribs, but uh I did not do So we don't have like a lifetime record of 50 and 50 against each other.

SPEAKER_02 11:06

The only time the only time, honestly, I think the only time we ever started swinging is if uh if people got around their legs, you know. Oh share. You know, they started getting around your legs or take a sheep shot or you know, give you a give you an elbow in the back of the head.

SPEAKER_04 11:19

No, you mentioned spring break falling in the middle of practice, and so did you guys have the opportunity to go on spring break and properly hydrate and then come back?

SPEAKER_09 11:25

Hydrate? Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 11:27

What did that look like in your day? I never got to go anywhere because uh my mom and dad uh my dad uh worked at John Deere and he got let go uh I think the first year, or maybe it was 1980, even before I got there, from John Deere, and he had uh ended up getting a milk run, literally, uh driving a semi to Iowa City to the old uh milk place up where that's on Dodge Street, which is where Hive is.

SPEAKER_02 11:51

Yeah, across from the hilltop.

SPEAKER_07 11:53

I know it was at one time called uh um Hometown. Roberttown dairy. Yeah, hometown and then Roberts Dairy, and now it's Hyvee. Yeah, but uh he did that three or four times a day.

SPEAKER_04 12:03

And um Yeah, the NIL money didn't go quite as far back then as it was to these kids now.

SPEAKER_06 12:08

Exactly. You guys you were at Iowa during the farm crisis, and Hayden introduced America Needs Farmers at the time when you guys were there. What did that mean to you guys as players, as 19, 20-year-old kids?

SPEAKER_02 12:21

You know, that it was funny. I'm I'm I'm kind of happy you brought that up. So, you know, my Mike and I grew up in the farming communities and and uh my dad actually worked for International Harvester and uh a lot of his friends and colleagues and people that he knew, you know, dealers, you know, farm farm implement dealers and farmers and things like that, a lot of great friends of his, you know, they lost they lost everything, you know, and and uh it was heartbreaking. And uh honestly, you know, my dad was a uh World War II veteran, uh played for the New York Giants. Um first time I ever saw him cry. It was uh it was brutal. It was really brutal. And and Hayden came to us with this idea, the captains, he pulled the five of us in and said, Hey, I got this great idea to support uh our local farmers and everything. And what do you guys think? Well, we loved it.

SPEAKER_07 13:06

Yeah, he basically said uh the farmers have been here, you know, the last three or four years of your time here, and I think this was right before our senior year, if I remember right. And um the farmers were taking care of us big time. We had meat brought in for the tailgates, the tailgates, and uh we used to have um steak fries, uh hog roasts, training tables on the training table and everything like that. But uh the pork producers and the beef producers both contributed lots of lots of poundage, put it that way. I took full advantage of it.

SPEAKER_02 13:39

Well, and Hayden Hayden got the idea for the sticker because you know at the time by the time we became seniors, you know, um it was rare to get on national TV to watch a game. And uh in by time uh our junior year and senior year we were on there pretty regular. So he thought this was a great way to promote, you know, the American farmer and especially the farmers in Iowa.

SPEAKER_07 14:00

And um I I think it it worked you know well that opened up the people's eyes about the problems that the Iowa farmers were having. And uh another thing during that time, if you remember, uh the lights came to Kinnock. There were lights. We had night games. Um I'm my hair on my arms are standing up just even thinking about that, because they had these giant uh trucks out there uh from Moscow lighting, if anybody remembered that. Definitely it was it was pretty spectacular, but the uh farmers they absolutely loved the whole situation, and I think at that time I think you'd have to agree.

SPEAKER_02 14:39

Think about this. I mean, that they the a lot of the farming community were some of the biggest supporters of Iowa football and athletics.

SPEAKER_07 14:46

Uh hard to give money when you're going broke.

SPEAKER_06 14:49

Yeah, yeah, well, and it impacted it beyond just farming, it impacted John Deere, which is here in the state of Iowa. Uh everybody that made the little plastic pieces that you know on the door handles and the everything that uh supported John Deere. It impacted all those people too. It was a huge deal. Um Hayden tried to brand the Iowa Hawkeyes so you know a kid in seventh or eighth grade could do exactly what was ever on a uniform, could draw it in art class or whatever. Right. And that A and F was so simple, it was so simple, and it stood out. It popped on the helmets and it drew attention. It drew the exact attention that he hoped it would. You guys were captains, two of the five or four? Five. Who were the other three captains? Chuck Long. Yeah, Chuck Long, Ronnie Harmon, and and Larry Station. So not that I ever got close to being a captain of the football team. What goes into that? So Hayden went to you and talked to you about the stickers, but you how do you become a captain? You're uh you're voted on by your teammates. Yeah, your teammates folks. And so do the so is it offensive linemen, defensive linemen, or is just whoever they think is gonna be the best.

SPEAKER_07 15:59

You're voting for it, and then of course I'm sure there's a little bit of jockey uh in the coaches when they're counting to see who they think would be a great leader or who are actual leaders, because that's a huge part of you know, you don't have to say a lot to be or get people to be winners. It's a lot of it's your action.

SPEAKER_02 16:18

I mean, mouth Mike and I, we were pretty mouthy. You know, we we we were pretty talkative, but you know, Larry Station and Ronnie Harmon uh, you know, are pretty darn quiet. You know, they they spoke with everything they did on the field and led by example and and hard work and and uh all the all the effort that they put into it.

SPEAKER_06 16:37

Do the coaches ever give you the expectations of what they expected you guys as leaders?

SPEAKER_02 16:41

Um yeah, they you know we we had guardrails per se. I think the last time we were here we you know we didn't have many guardrails. But uh, you know, they they it kind of gave a framework of of what they expected and um honestly we we really kind of just policed ourselves and yeah and just really I mean I think naturally, you know, we were we would uh get people fired up and uh can tell, you know, we we but both Mike and I are pretty good at reading people, have you know probably pretty good emotional intelligence to read a room and you know can tell when people need to be lifted up and give them what they needed to strive and and we you know we we'd bust people's rear ends for being a slacker. Are there examples of that where you had to come intervene and give someone a little tough love? I like the you know, the Pat Anger who who I saw yesterday at one of my Pat, you know, Pat you ever hear that story about Pat? No, tell us Pat Anger. So there was a a guy in the in the weight room with uh working out and he was dogging it, and and Pat just walked up to him and called him out on it, and the guy started lipping off to him. And this was an offensive lineman, and Pat just dropped him right there in the middle of the floor. So he had to apologize, but I think it was it was like, Yeah, I'm I'm sorry, you know, like it wasn't really uh you know intended, but but yeah, I'm sorry you weren't working out hard. Yeah, I'm sorry you weren't working out yeah. So Pat, that's Pat. Another butt better bulldog, by the way. Yeah. Shout out to Pat. But yeah, and in terms of uh the the captain thing, it was it was a true honor to to to be named by your peers and and we were given some responsibilities and to you know uh to instill our rules, you know, which which were self uh, you know, we we gave ourselves our own rules.

SPEAKER_07 18:24

Yeah, uh, but uh of course uh Hayden Fry being the man among town and of the whole state, uh he had a lot of eyes out there. So if you were embarrassing anybody or lipping off to a teacher or or one of your instructors or just being mean to people anywhere doing something bad, it would get back to him. And if you were got called in by yourself, uh I never did, honestly, but um a few uh of our former teammates have, and even with uh uh the way uh Hayden Fry uh coached, he pretty much made his uh position coaches be the the hammer, if you know what a hammer is. And if there was uh any um discipline to be done, such as running the stairs, running forever, um which I I know of a few people uh shall not name that uh uh they got a lot of field time, but it wasn't it was around the field or up and down the the stadium stairs, and there's a lot of stairs there.

SPEAKER_04 19:28

So you mentioned position coaches being the hammer, and you mentioned previously that Kirk Ferrance came in at the same time or at the 85 season. So uh tell me a little bit about that. Kirk coming in, he probably wasn't that much older than you guys when he came here, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_07 19:40

He was uh five, he's five years older than me, and I just uh turned uh 63.

SPEAKER_04 19:45

So you guys are a pretty salty group, gonna be number one in the nation that year, and here comes this guy a couple years older than you to be the hammer. What was he like to play for that year?

SPEAKER_07 19:53

Well, honestly, I was a tight end yet, and then my second year I got moved to offensive line, and then I felt the wrath of uh Kirk a little bit more, especially when you're uh at 215 pounds.

SPEAKER_02 20:05

He is a damn good coach, so honestly, you know, you you point you look back and and you think about you know what were the game changers, what changed from one year to the next, and and uh you know, I don't think it's any coincidence that Hayden had his first winning season when Kirk Farrens came on board because they totally changed the way offensive linemen operated and and uh he was taught by Joe Moore, who was literally the godfather of the modern day uh offensive line play. Yes.

SPEAKER_07 20:33

Yep. He uh learned a lot from him, and as you probably remember or for sure saw not only this year, but I think uh what was it eight years ago? The the offensive line teams ended up winning the Joe Moore Award, which is a giant, huge piano-sized trophy. Yeah, and it has like five statues on on there, uh, one of each of the offensive linemen, uh the center, two guards and the two tackles. And oh my god, I'd love to have that myself or pick uh just to show off. But um uh it is absolutely something great to see, and also for uh our offensive line, which you know, if you're not playing as a team uh and you're an individual, you're probably not gonna be playing for uh Coach uh Ferrance or or even back then Coach Fry because you we were all expected to be there for each other. We were brothers. Offense was cheering for defense. That always happened at Iowa. It always happened. Yeah, defense a lot of times didn't cheer for Iowa offense because they weren't any good. They literally were now good. The last few years, uh uh 80, well, 81 through 85, it just kept them get getting better. And uh Chuck Long was a huge part of that. And uh I'm telling you, in our senior year, both sides of the ball, we were cheering so much, and uh it was absolute I feel so proud to go out there and do something good for my teammates on the defensive line.

SPEAKER_02 21:57

Yeah, we we tried to we tried to get the ball back. As fast as we could, and those guys tried to stay out there as long as they could, you know. So it's because they didn't work as hard as we did, but they could they had to stamina to do that.

SPEAKER_06 22:09

No comment. Mike, Mike, you said brothers. Your brother was also an outstanding athlete. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 22:16

After uh my brother Hapalicious here uh graduated with me.

SPEAKER_02 22:21

Uh my brother stepped up uh and he was even as a freshman or senior fifth year senior year.

SPEAKER_07 22:26

Yeah, and uh Haps uh Coach Dan McCarney got on his uh rear end to turn him into a man. And uh just like Coach Ferrence did with me, going from 215. Uh I think the following year I got up to about 255. Then the uh my junior and senior year I weighed about two seventy-five. My brother was always a little bit bigger than me, but uh he came in at literally like two fifty, two four.

SPEAKER_02 22:50

Yeah, and uh he was uh like a baby Huey.

SPEAKER_06 22:53

Yeah. Did you guys ever get a chance to sharpen steel against each other? Uh yes.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

Well oh those two. The brothers.

SPEAKER_07 22:59

The brothers we did. He always wanted to get in there and show uh the brother, uh especially my senior year. Uh he came over. Hap and I, we would go against I think we went against each other our senior year because he was nose guard.

SPEAKER_02 23:13

And I uh coach Ferrants had me start playing a little bit of uh guard figuring that uh but Hayden but we honestly the the the correct answer is is that Hayden never la never would allow his number ones to go against number ones because then somebody somebody'd have to lose. Someone has to lose and so again the psychology of the coach, you know, he he uh so he wanted you winning all the time.

SPEAKER_06 23:36

So you guys grew up Hawkeyes, right? I mean, was that something you always wanted or did you you because you were recruited by other uh programs?

SPEAKER_07 23:42

I got recruited by uh three uh different teams that I would call that I would call teams. Uh Iowa State uh looked at me a little bit, Donnie Duncan was there. Of course, then I got uh invited to uh walk on. That wasn't in the cards for me because uh I didn't have any money and I didn't know anything about uh all the scholarships and stuff that a normal student could get. Uh so I was either gonna stay home and melt cows or drive trucks or shovel shit. One of the three, maybe all at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 24:15

But uh who else did you get recruited by?

SPEAKER_07 24:17

Oh, uh believe it or not, uh Missouri Tigers. Oh, there you go. I didn't I didn't even know they had a team, a football team. Yeah, and then last but not least, what's really uh gets me is Oregon Ducks. You're kidding me. I get full ride scholarships from those three teams, and uh I said I don't I I don't even know where the hell Missouri is, and I know of Oregon, but I know that's way too far away, and I'll never see my family or any of that again. Right.

SPEAKER_06 24:45

That had to make your parents happy when they had both boys at the same place.

SPEAKER_07 24:49

Yeah, yeah, big time. Uh funny story, uh there was some recruitment by Iowa State big time of my brother, and I was just uh my second year or in my third year of uh being an offensive lineman, and Dave was being recruited, and uh we played over at Iowa State that year, and uh my brother was out in the middle of the field uh as one of the recruits.

SPEAKER_08 25:10

Oh, really? Hey, blah, blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_07 25:13

Potential, whatever. Uh I'm shots. We gave him some shots. Shot him out onto the field, and oh my god, Hayden looked at me. Uh Dan McCartney looked at me like uh I had a corn stalk growing out of my forehead. And then uh uh probably for the rest of the year, uh coach Barrence was well, Mike, uh, you know, uh if you don't straighten shit around here, you might be going to Iowa State with your brother. Uh matter of fact, I might have might encourage you to.

SPEAKER_02 25:44

A little bit of pressure there. He was always gonna be a hawk. Yeah, but you know, David David was uh all-century team, you know. He he was he was one of the best ever. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 25:55

He literally had 25 full full uh rides offered across the country. Uh so it was he was recruited very good and uh he knew he was gonna be a hawk. I just teased him a little bit about the Iowa State.

SPEAKER_06 26:08

So you've been recognized as a Farm Bureau hawk as your brother?

SPEAKER_07 26:14

Uh I don't know if he has. Uh I he's been everything else. He's been on the whole century, he's been on uh uh numerous other things. Uh he got inducted as a uh what's the annual uh award that they do the with the Hall of Fame? Hall of Fame, he's in that. I think uh I would actually say that uh stack him against me. Um he's twice the player I ever was. Uh I just happened to be humble as well. You're pretty humble, dude. So is David.

SPEAKER_02 26:44

David was uh big Big Ten defensive player of the year. Right uh for the entire year.

SPEAKER_07 26:48

He was a captain two years. Yeah. Two different years, which that never happens. Right, that's where you're gonna be. He's one of a few. I think there's maybe two or three people that done that.

SPEAKER_02 26:57

You know, and he earned his own chops too. I mean, he wasn't like he wasn't like uh he got a pass because he was a legacy guy, you know.

SPEAKER_07 27:04

Or because I was there.

SPEAKER_02 27:06

That's what I meant, you know.

SPEAKER_04 27:07

Yeah, but he he earned his own way. So, Mike, we talked to Jay and Hab about this when they were here. I'm kind of curious about student life for you, Iowa City camp life off campus. You guys were rock stars, like larger than life celebrities in Iowa at that time frame. So, what was it like being on campus away from the practice facility? What was Saturday night like on the town after a big win? And we are kind of a dive bar themed podcast. Where did the offensive line like to hang out?

SPEAKER_02 27:34

I'm just glad you didn't talk about academics because we're gonna get on a totally different road.

SPEAKER_06 27:38

You didn't ask about the library thing.

SPEAKER_07 27:40

I don't even know where the library is today, much less back then.

SPEAKER_04 27:43

But where did the offensive line hang out and uh what was the beverage of choice? Just some of those things.

SPEAKER_07 27:47

Oh, undoubtedly it was beer. Uh lots of it. It didn't matter uh if it was Rhineland or Rhinelander or whatever. As long as it was cold, and and most of the time it was free. And that was because most of us hung around and followed Chuck wherever the hell he went because he got the free beer and then gave it to us. Chuck never didn't give us free nothing.

SPEAKER_03 28:07

Chuck's never bought a beer in Iowa City, had it.

SPEAKER_07 28:09

Never. Other than handing it over for free.

SPEAKER_02 28:12

Actually, and and actually, we have a rule, you know, uh when Chuck's around, we you know he he's the all, you know, his name's on the stadium, he's an all-American. Um, but I will tell you, last last time he was in town, um, he took Jay and I out to lunch. Uh this was just right right before spring practice started, and he bought. We were Jay and I were both shocked. It was like, but I go, I go, I go, I go, Chuck, I go, uh first time on 45 and company expenses there, and he goes, Yep. So so they all you know, he kept his record intact. You know, his his record his saying always in college was, hey, if it's free, it's me, and if it's free, take three, you know.

SPEAKER_07 28:52

So yes, that's for sure. Who was your roommate in college? Uh my roommate was Kelly O'Brien from Sterling, Illinois. Uh he was a tight end as a freshman. I was a tight end as a freshman. We were b both basically competing against each other, which again, the way Coach Fry and Coach Ferrants, you're not supposed to be uh individuals, you're supposed to be brothers. And um a lot of people said we were Tweedlede and Tweedledum. I I think I was Tweedledee, so I'll let you figure out what the other but we lived together for four full years. Till you got married. Right till I got married, or right, I guess that half a year I lived with you and um Jonathan and and Chuck.

SPEAKER_06 29:35

But um I have to assume that uh your roommate after him smelled a whole lot better than him.

SPEAKER_07 29:41

Uh yes. Uh he did not like to wash his clothes. Uh his underwear.

SPEAKER_02 29:48

Yeah, I was gonna say definitely wore better underwear.

SPEAKER_07 29:50

If his underwear wasn't on the ground, it was usually stuck to the wall. Was your did you meet your wife at Iowa or was she from the girl?

SPEAKER_05 29:58

Sweetheart. High school sweetheart. Did she go to Iowa too or where did it?

SPEAKER_07 30:01

Uh she did not go to uh college because her mother at that time uh did not believe in college and it was uh basically uh start get in the workforce and make some money. So you guys kept a relationship all the way through Yeah. Wow. Yeah, Hap uh was aware of that during that whole time because uh I'd go down with all these guys and then they'd end up pairing up with uh whoever before the last call, of course. And yeah, here I am walking home all by myself.

SPEAKER_06 30:28

So what did you have? So did you have a job? I mean, how did you afford a house or apartment or whatever? That would have like back then that would have been tough.

SPEAKER_07 30:37

My senior year, or I guess you too, we were all given two hundred and fifty dollars to go out and find yourself to live and eat per month. Okay. We all had jobs. Um, I poured concrete, yeah, great. And you try to make as much money as you could, which is usually somewhere between three, maybe five thousand dollars, and then you try to spread out. But my wife came down, she started. I Sheriff Hughes helped me get her hooked up uh with I think it was NCS at that time, but it's uh recently it was Peer Pearson, and now Pearson's totally there's no one in that building for the last ten years. But she worked there third shift, so she made a grand total of twelve thousand dollars a year. So uh we were living highways wrong. You guys are rich. We're rich.

SPEAKER_06 31:21

I don't know if I had any buddies that were married when I was in school. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. That would have been a different lifestyle for me.

SPEAKER_02 31:27

I think there listen, um Polly may not have gone to college, but she's a pretty darn smart woman. She uh she was gonna lock the big boy down before he went into the NFL, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 31:36

So she didn't she did not marry marry me for money because uh there was no indication that I was gonna go to the NFL or even have luck to do what I did, but uh I just at the right place at the right time and uh had a strong, strong supporting cast, uh the whole team and uh definitely my teammates on the offensive side of the ball.

SPEAKER_06 31:59

Well, this might be a good segue to talk about your your NFL experience.

SPEAKER_04 32:03

So, John, you well, before we talk NFL, you talked about Chuck and you know some of the stuff he provided during the college years, but now did he turn the table when you were the number one pick in the USFL draft? And he was the 75th pick. I mean, one, do you still lord that over his head? I didn't know. And two, was he looking at you to start paying some some beers?

SPEAKER_07 32:21

Uh I didn't get a dime from uh matter of fact, uh, USFL when they they actually had a lawsuit, uh antitrust lawsuit. And if you understand how that works, the winner triples their uh uh amount that they win. Well, they won one dollar. Right. So they get walked away with three dollars uh after spending millions. Yeah. And uh basically Trump and all his other cronies uh all lost. And uh uh the NFL is just laughing their asses off because they basically halved all the salaries when we were at actually uh first round draft picks. I was a first round draft pick, and um believe me, the amount of money I made, I still have people come up to me just last week. Someone said, Man, you must be enjoying your retirement. How many millions do you still got in the bank? And I go, millions? What are you yeah, all those you made if you're making as much money as those guys do now, and they go different era? Uh no.

SPEAKER_06 33:17

But you're talking first round, you were a first-round draft pack for the NFL, too.

SPEAKER_07 33:20

Yeah, yeah. I was 22nd pick the year before uh the fridge was picked as the 22nd pick.

SPEAKER_04 33:26

Well, you it was a very interesting time for football, and obviously the USFL collapsed and you never played it down or even probably got started with the Orlando renegades that drafted.

SPEAKER_00 33:34

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:35

Would you had they not tried to go to fall and all those things and had existed the way they had the years prior to your draft, do you think you would have been inclined to play USFL or NFL? Because at that time there was a split of talent, like a lot of high-end talent was going to the USFL.

SPEAKER_07 33:49

The USFL, and again, underlying Trump, uh, he got all those uh players that were there. Uh, I think Jim Kelly was a big big one there, uh for sure. A few of our former teammates, Norm Granger was Norman. Was it Doug Flutie? Doug Flutie, yeah. Flutie. Believe me, those boys got paid good money. Yeah. But when they got back to the NFL, they because of who they were and that they were the real deal. I uh ended up, I think I got a$90,000 contract for my first year, which$90,000, that ain't too bad for Iowa. Well, hell, you think about a free agent right now makes four hundred and eighty-five thousand dollars, and that's for not being drafted at all. Yeah. Plus, my signing bonus was three hundred thousand dollars, which again, hell, that's not a bad amount of money for Iowa boy. But when you pay New York taxes, New Jersey taxes, some of these towns that you not only had to pay in their state too, you had to pay at their city. Yeah. Uh like you lived in Long Island, didn't you? I lived out on Long Island, so I had to pay some good money there. I'd say most of my tax money was probably close to somewhere between 40 to 50 percent. Yeah, yeah. So all in all, my seven years I probably made maybe a million dollars. So uh for those that are still thinking that I got millions, don't call me.

SPEAKER_06 35:14

So um did you come away from Iowa with a degree?

SPEAKER_07 35:17

Yes, yeah. I actually majored in art in art history. Um, I wanted to go into architecture. Uh of course, Iowa State has that. Yeah, didn't get an offer there. I got an offer from Iowa. The closest that they had was uh art. The kind of art that I wanted was design, so you could design I love cars, I loved houses, I loved uh that type of stuff. Big time into that. At that time, a crappy IBM computer was uh like thirty five hundred dollars, which none of us had that, and there was maybe 10 on campus that all the entire computer class was using, and believe me, uh back then there was a lot of computer students from China and the only time you could get on it is at night. Right. Yeah, I was practicing for we were practicing 40 to 50 hours a week, and then we no, I took that back.

SPEAKER_02 36:11

No, no, we were that that includes classroom time, but you know, oh no, right film study and all that shit.

SPEAKER_07 36:17

No, it's weightlifting, film study, practice, uh all that stuff. All that it cannot be more than 25 hours now, including game time.

SPEAKER_06 36:26

Yeah. So when you got drafted to the the Jets, did you guys get a house out there? It sounds like you were on Hell No.

SPEAKER_07 36:34

Hell no, because again, uh that was during the bad times in Iowa. We knew how bad times we were. Mike, there's a lot of nice places out there out in uh way out there on Long Island, uh Hampton, the Hamptons. Yeah, there's some millionaire houses, you ought to buy one of those, and I go, uh no, that ain't gonna happen. Well, you're gonna buy something for year round here. No, that ain't gonna happen. Um I'm gonna go back every year. Oh, you can't do that, and I go, Yeah, I can. And that's what I did uh all six years at the Jets, and then after I was cut there and played my final year between Detroit and um the Redskins, um the Redskins said the exact same thing to me and they said, uh, if you don't stay, uh we're gonna cut you. Well, they cut me. But that was after I already told them my neck was messed up. I have a five-level fusion in my neck, C2 through C7 is fused together with a piece of metal about five inches long. I have my two knees done about three years ago, which I probably should have done a couple years before that.

SPEAKER_02 37:32

Like a year after you got done graduating. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 37:35

And uh a whole host of other uh ailments.

SPEAKER_06 37:38

Were you with the Redskins the year after they won the Super Bowl?

SPEAKER_07 37:42

After, yeah. And that was the year that a lot half the team didn't come in, uh including uh the quarterback. I want to say his last name began with an R. Um I can't remember. The CTs come in. I absolutely did that bad.

SPEAKER_11 37:55

Rip Rippin'? Mark Rippin'? That's who it was. Was it right? Rippian. I was a close friend of his.

SPEAKER_04 38:00

Look at you. How about that?

SPEAKER_03 38:01

I had to go.

SPEAKER_07 38:05

Yeah, JP awesome guy. Uh Mark Rippian was an awesome guy. And man, were they on his balls about not being in there for uh preseason? He wasn't in there for preseason, he came uh literally, I think two days before this first game started.

SPEAKER_06 38:19

Oh so did they clear house after the Super Bowl? I mean, did they clear the team or what was everybody's hang up about not coming in?

SPEAKER_07 38:27

Uh renegotiating. Yeah, uh they're all Super Bowl champions. They all he got a major hike in his thing, and so did uh quite a few other players, but he wanted big money. I don't think he got as much as he wanted. But uh the Redskin fans, uh they love their football. And if you're not part of the team, like I mentioned about our Iowa connection, the hogs. Yeah, you should see the hogs. It's unbelievable. All these huge guys wearing hard hats and they have big noses and they have wigs on and dresses. Oh my god, it's the coolest thing. Uh Hap will be there in a New York second.

SPEAKER_06 39:06

Which was a more ferocious crowd, the the Jets crowd or the Washington crowd?

SPEAKER_07 39:10

The Redskins were unbelievable because they were cheering for you. Um and they usually got a win at the New York Jets. I hated playing there because number one, they were betting against you every time.

SPEAKER_08 39:22

So if you won, hey, god damn it, I lost a hundred dollars on you last week. Uh well, we won. What the hell's the deal?

SPEAKER_02 39:31

I will say that uh we we went out, my wife and I went out to visit them guys, uh Mike and Polly, a few times out of New York and went went to the Meadowlands to the stadium there. And uh I've never seen uh uh like a whole s whole sections of the stadium get into like a brawl, like a beer brawl. You know, it was it was like being overseas. Yeah, hooligans, yeah, like you're like you're you're watching uh soccer overseas or something, you know.

SPEAKER_07 39:56

Yeah, mean meanwhile, looking for trouble, yeah. They're not fighting themselves, they're fighting against us, and then they're throwing canishes, and you know what a canish is? It's like a soft potato type thing that is a favorite dish that's out there.

SPEAKER_06 40:10

Yeah, I want to I want to show you something here. Oh shit. Big red.

SPEAKER_07 40:15

Look at the red hair. Um how fat I was there. Um they I was a that's I was fat.

SPEAKER_06 40:22

That was your high school.

SPEAKER_03 40:23

So that's very dumb. Oh no, that's a jackass.

SPEAKER_06 40:25

I was gonna so this comes from my cousin Aaron. He goes, I found this. Uh my cousin's a big fan of yours. He's you yeah, he's out in California. Wishes he could be here tonight. But he said, uh, did Mike walk so Dunker could run?

SPEAKER_02 40:40

Because this is very well, hey, listen. I will tell you, I was gonna bring that up tonight. You know, Mike Mike was the original OG when it came to the uh you know the the the mullet, right? Mullet? Oh yeah, like the the you know the it was down below. This was up front party in the back. And it he he had a literal, he was definitely a show called.

SPEAKER_07 41:01

Way worse than uh our I love that kid. I love that uh orange-ish red hair that he has too. I think it's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_03 41:08

So you're talking about your 40 time, like how did it come because he ran a crazy 40, didn't he, Dunker? Not as fast as this.

SPEAKER_07 41:15

I think he was like 5'4 or 5'9.

SPEAKER_02 41:17

No, no, no, no, no. I think he was I think he ran around a five flat or something, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_07 41:22

It was more. But Mike Mike, I mean But he's fast for as big as he is, he was 320.

SPEAKER_02 41:28

I was only 290. Yeah, but you ran like a a 475, 480. You know, that's just that's that's why you called him the woodhauler, you know. Luckily, I gotta I gotta bring I gotta bring this one story up. So draft day comes, right? Oh this is this is awesome. So draft day comes and Chuck and I and Mike was there for a little while, and it was Chuck and I and Jonathan. Jonathan played for the Chiefs and came back to finish up school. And we had uh, you know, on Dodge Street, when you come around Dodge Street and you come down that sweeping left-hand corner, you know, you're coming down, you're heading into town right there, and off to the left there you have those apartments.

SPEAKER_07 42:05

Before you get all the way down to the bottom where Dodge Street Tire is.

SPEAKER_02 42:08

Yeah, we were up, we were right on there. When so we uh Jonathan and I had a little party. It wasn't like they do today, you know, it wasn't anything like here's the guy. We knew he was gonna be a first rounder. We didn't, you know, and he I think he pretty much knew where he was gonna go anyway. But John and I got a keg and uh we had a little party, and it was just the three of us. And John had brought his clubs up from Kansas City, and we we were teeing up golf balls in the parking lot, and then and then firing them off into the neighborhood. Like that scene out of uh like that, yeah, like that scene out of uh Animal House where they're up on the hill, you know, and they're shooting into Needlemiring, you know, on the horse and stuff. It was exactly like that. You know, like, hey, I bet you can't hit that green house over there. And John's like, yeah, well, watch this, you know, and boom, you know, and fire off a ball. And we'd sit there and talk like nothing happened, you know. I was like, I can I still can't believe to this day we we did. So I I go in uh to go to the bathroom and come back out, and because it was daylight, or else I would have been right there next to the building. But um, I go in and all of a sudden it was the 22nd pick, you know, the New York Jets pick Mike Hay. And I'm like, oh my god, oh my god, I'm I'm I'm freaking out. I because we weren't ex I wasn't expecting that. I don't know if you were or you you probably were. But absolutely Mike, you know, was married and he lived off of Washington, Iowa Avenue, Iowa Avenue, uh just right down there and um just kind of north north of Dodge Street. Um I come flying out and I didn't even say any of those guys. I got in my car, my wife's uh car, which was a 72 Nova piece of crap. I mean, you had to literally like wire the door shut, and I go skidding off, and those guys had no idea where I was going on it. And uh I'm yelling out the window, I go, Mike got picked, Mike got picked, and I ran. I ran down to his place, drove all the way down there, pulled into the median on Iowa Avenue. Iowa Avenue. There's two roads, like that's a great big medium. He rammed that bitch. Up on the median, I left the car running and just jumped out of the car.

SPEAKER_12 44:13

The door was open, the car was running. The car was running and everything.

SPEAKER_02 44:16

Went Holland. And went running up the up to up the the steps to his place, and I get in there, and of course they have all of Dyersville's in there, and all his cousins and everything. And Mike was on the phone with the judge. In-laws, outlaws, everybody. Yeah, he was on the he was on the phone with the Jets. So awesome. It's exciting. It was fantastic.

SPEAKER_07 44:38

It was unbelievable. That day was like there's only about five things that were uh in my top five, and that that day was definitely one. Being married was number two. Um your bachelor party. Bachelor Party. That was uh that might have been negative. I didn't last very long that day for some reason.

SPEAKER_02 44:58

Thank God for Tuck's place.

SPEAKER_06 44:59

Yeah, and I don't drink peppermint anymore. So had any other hot guys been drafted into the NFL with Hayden at that point?

SPEAKER_07 45:10

Oh yeah, there's a numerous offensive linemen. Uh Ron uh Big Ronnie um Alstrom. He was off he was the first offensive lineman um our freshman year. He went to the Green Bay Packers first round, and then um Brett Brett Miller. Miller got drafted, but I think he was either third or fifth round. I think he went to the Atlanta. Atlanta. And then um soon after that, then it started happening. Uh Johnny Alt, first round to um KC.

SPEAKER_02 45:39

And there was Kirk had a he had a quite a stint, you know, early on. Yeah, produced some good drafts.

SPEAKER_07 45:46

Right away. Yeah. Joe Lavells, uh he went to USFL right. Yeah, but he did get drafted uh by the uh NFL as well, and uh got a pretty good lineage of uh former NFL players. Uh Chris Gamble went he went to the Alliance. Yeah, Dave Crosston.

SPEAKER_02 46:02

Uh Dave Crosson, yeah. He was he was drafted. Green Bay Green Bay again.

SPEAKER_06 46:06

Yep. So lots of them. Who else was on that Jets team that we would know?

SPEAKER_07 46:11

Uh these two you most definitely would know uh defensively, uh at least. Uh Joe Clacco. I practice against him every damn day. And the other one that called me out the first day I was there, Mark Gastoneau. First time I seen him. I knew all about him. He's a long-haired freak.

SPEAKER_11 46:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 46:28

Was Brigitte in the picture at that time? Brigitte was not in the uh Brigitte Nielsen was not in the picture, but she'll come into a story, I'm sure, here shortly.

SPEAKER_04 46:36

All right. Did he do that dance and practice if he got around you and hit the quarterback and practice?

SPEAKER_07 46:40

Well, he'd do it every damn day, every damn play, just if he even he was unbelievable. He was kind of a dick. He's still alive. He was kind of a dick. Shocking. I don't think he realized he was a dick, but uh uh I got along with him, that's all I can say.

SPEAKER_04 46:56

When you joined the Jets, you were already playing in New Jersey, right? You'd never play at Shea Stadium, the old Correct. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_07 47:02

Yeah, we were sharing the stadium with uh Giants.

SPEAKER_04 47:04

Well Winterlands, right? I feel like we should get right to the Brigitte story. Brigitte Nielsen, right? That's who he was married to.

SPEAKER_07 47:10

Brigitte or Gita. Gita. And the reason we knew it was Gita is uh one of the f days uh he walks through the locker room butt naked, by the way, as usual. Long hair, he had hair down to the middle of his back, and he had quite the mane. Uh he was dark tanned, shaved all his hair off of every part of his body, including his chest, his legs, and his ass, cheeks, and everything else. And magically we see what's that on his ass? Oh, Gita. And then on he goes, Yeah, me and Gita, we went out and we got tattoos. She's got Marcus on her right cheek. I got mine on the left cheek, so we can stand up and rub them together. Too much information, man.

SPEAKER_02 47:54

Yeah, Gasno's probably 400 pounds now. Now Gita looks like probably Shrek, you know.

SPEAKER_07 47:59

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 48:01

In her uh Playboy profile, Gita was her nickname.

SPEAKER_07 48:05

So if you would have noticed that, you would have uh well I didn't I didn't clip cry right there. I've been noticed.

SPEAKER_05 48:13

I'm not a very good reader.

SPEAKER_07 48:15

I just I s sort of like two birds. Oh yeah, yeah, that's what it was. Uh can tell you another Gita story, which you'll really get a kick out of this one. Uh we uh uh had a preseason game and we met uh somewhere down in Pennsylvania where the Redskins would drive up to some little junior college that had like a miniature rose bowl. Is that right? Well it was it's more like uh I guess it isn't the horseshoes at uh Ohio State. Oh, I say, yeah, the shoes. It was a horseshoe. And you'll you'll know why. Uh this makes it perfect for that. We're waiting for practice. Uh we're out there doing all our stuff, we did all our warm-up and all that kind of stuff. And uh one of the first things that we do, we do one-on-ones, the offensive line go against the defensive line of the other team, and we're all doing this. All of a sudden, this big ass limo is a Lincoln continental stretch, jumps the curb, drives up right at the stadium, going like 80 miles an hour on grass, does a half-assed slide into the uh end zone, and out pops Brigitte. She's in a way. Who's driving? And as she gets up, she goes, flop. All right. Pair of brand new um units. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 49:42

And then she moved aside and she goes, Go, go, come on, get up.

SPEAKER_07 49:46

And uh it was her personal sexary, I mean secretary, and she had bigger guns than she did. And Joe Walton was our head coach.

SPEAKER_08 49:58

He goes, Mark Castino, get her out of there! We got football to take care of.

SPEAKER_07 50:08

15, 20 minutes later, they finally got her out of there. But the whole crowd of all the people that were there to watch the two teams, whether they're Redskins or or Jet fans, um, mass exodus from the stands and they're running to the end zone. So the end zone was totally filled with people trying to get her autographed and a peek at her.

SPEAKER_00 50:29

All right.

SPEAKER_07 50:30

So I got a lot of stories like that. Goatie.

SPEAKER_04 50:33

We'll keep them eating. That was probably one of the better ones. Solid. So nothing you saw like that at the Iowa football practice facility.

SPEAKER_07 50:39

No, no, Hayden was uh always concerned that people were watching our practices. Remember that?

SPEAKER_02 50:44

Hayden was super paranoid. I mean, we would be sitting there and you could see the across the street, you know, over by um well, it would be the clock tower parking lot. I think they redid that, but there was a parking lot there. He would look and and you could see from the top level, you could see into the stadium, and yeah, there'd be somebody walking around up there or something, and he he'd get up the manager's like, get your ass up there right now, you know, they're taking pictures or scouting the picture building. And that was before the Texas came because I have a bubble yet. Yeah. And that and it got it got to be so bad that that uh he actually started putting people up there to police them away from from practice. So he was very very uh superstitious. Superstitious, he was cautious, he's on the cautious.

SPEAKER_06 51:28

So then all the medical staff had to start smoking on the second to last level.

SPEAKER_02 51:32

Right. Exactly. We're on break. Come on. Come on, coach. We're a hawks.

SPEAKER_04 51:42

Oh some stories then. Well, I just wanted to close the loop on a couple of the stories that you told last time and see if Mike's got a perspective on them. First, you are an offensive lineman. You were tasked with protecting Chuck Long for several years. Um were you present when Chuck Long got put on the balcony at the hotel? And if so, was that a breach in security?

SPEAKER_07 52:00

We were all laughing our asses off at him.

SPEAKER_05 52:03

He's okay. All right.

SPEAKER_02 52:07

When he started barking, what I gave him a perspective of what kind of dog it was. What kind of dog do you think it was? Well, I think it was a little little bastard that it was.

SPEAKER_07 52:19

Jonathan Ayers was there because he just gave his brand new KC hat. Oh, yeah, remember all that? And uh there was a big ass curtain like what you have right there, and uh Jonathan just reached over and closed the curtains.

SPEAKER_02 52:33

So that sounded like obviously yes, it was. And then he was pissed at us. Jonathan was mad at us.

SPEAKER_06 52:39

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:39

He was super pissed because he's like, Man, last thing I told you is keep this guy humble.

SPEAKER_06 52:44

Is that the same Jonathan that was hitting golf balls?

SPEAKER_02 52:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah. T-bone.

SPEAKER_06 52:48

We need Jonathan. That's what we need.

SPEAKER_02 52:50

So Jonathan right now is the uh the athletic, you know, is all kids. He you know, he coached it at the Bengals for 15 years, and his kids all went to Muller High School where where Coach Faust was. Uh Dan Faust. He's the athletic director there now. Oh, really? So it's hard to get him out. But yeah, you know, his his uh his oldest son is uh center for the Lakers, Jackson. He was uh he was a first round lottery pick, he was the eighth pick overall in that after his freshman year at Texas.

SPEAKER_07 53:19

It's hard to believe to see him bumping elbows with the famous LeBron.

SPEAKER_02 53:24

Yeah, yeah, he's out there. So Jackson Hayes, look from uh LA Lakers. His daughter was a all-conference uh hooper at uh University of Cincinnati, the Bearcats. Um he's got a son, Jonah, that plays at uh University, uh uh Northwestern University in in Chicago, and then um Jewitt, yeah, Jewitt is the second oldest, uh second youngest. Uh he's in Virginia, plays plays uh defensive end in Virginia. So they're they're a busy family.

SPEAKER_03 53:56

Happy, you keep track of the team really well. Like I was gonna ask because you talked about being brothers. How often do you guys get together? Do you have a formal like your team, your senior year, your class, or the that that Rose Bowl era? Is there a regular sync up or is it just a big tech string or like how does it work?

SPEAKER_02 54:13

We just had our our 40th. 40 reunion last year, and so Mike and I and Kelly O'Brien and Marv Cook and uh Billy Happel and and us, um, we worked hard to get, you know, we had the biggest reunion they've ever had. I think we had like 70 guys come back and their families and stuff, and so um you know, big effort keeping in touch. But we you know we we do the tailgate, as you know, and and we try and keep everybody in touch. So so uh I I guess the long as it is, yeah, we try to, but it's you know tech strings is another thing, you know, modern technology works, so yeah.

SPEAKER_07 54:50

We there's maybe probably about three or four people we could not find. We didn't know if they were alive, dead, or no longer on this planet. Who knows? And then of course, I think we had uh at least four or five that have passed away as well.

SPEAKER_06 55:03

Yeah, you know, uh the people you meet in college, I think, are DNA level friends because you're going through things for the first time without your parents or influencing your decisions or anything. And add on top of that, your teammates, your brothers, you're with each other all the time. You're there when you're hot, you're there when you're cold, you're there when you're hurt. Yeah, hurt, you're lifting each other up, and the brotherhood and friendship you guys must have is you you can when you're together, I assume you just pick it right up, like where you left off.

SPEAKER_02 55:32

It's as if we were still in the dorm.

SPEAKER_07 55:35

Like you were seeing each other the last weekend.

SPEAKER_04 55:38

So, Mike, do you have uh a favorite kind of animal house off-field story, either from a bowl trip, the dorm, or the purple cow after a game or something that comes to mind that you told them about the peach boats?

SPEAKER_03 55:50

Especially if you've got something good on Hap. Because Hap's been in here dishing, and we're ready to hear some stories you you might have on him. Well, remember, I'm married 38 years now, Mike.

SPEAKER_07 56:01

This will not look it's been a good run, Hap.

SPEAKER_02 56:04

We don't have audio visual on this, but I have to get a little red. Give me the book. I'm about ready to write some shit down and to edit out of this thing.

SPEAKER_07 56:13

This does not involve any females, so you're good. And everybody else is too, for that matter. Um we used to live in Slater and we were on third floor, and so we didn't want to go any higher because it was somewhat still easy to go up and down the stairs and not have to wait for the damn elevator. But um we were down on the end where the uh elevator and the main entrance was, and uh Kelly and I we used to have um days of our lives parties daily. We had like 20 people in there, and it always started at one o'clock, and as soon as that that show was over with, the whole damn room would get up and we'd run over to sprint over to practice. But we used to have so many people in that room, the window always opened up uh It was a crank. It was a crank, it wasn't a slider, but uh we took our screen off and we uh I don't know magically, somehow uh about ten boxes of uh rubber gloves were in there, and uh it's not going down that road, by the way. He's looking at me.

SPEAKER_02 57:16

We didn't do that on the defensive side of the ball.

SPEAKER_06 57:20

This is coming dangerously to a ditty party.

SPEAKER_12 57:24

No, no, no, no. Wait, wait, this is about rubber gloves.

SPEAKER_07 57:30

No, no, I no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 57:31

Daytime soap, keep that glory.

SPEAKER_07 57:33

I think happens a couple different times, but the times that we uh sort of get in trouble for. Uh there's maybe uh keep it keep it together, but I'm getting staying on the path. A lot of people came uh on that back side uh from the the bus or the cars or whatever, but uh we used to fill those rubber gloves up that they're like the size of a balloon, and we'd throw them over the edge and bomb these people as they're going in. And these gloves were all power, they're all powder inside of them, too. So they got they get hit, they get they get hit and then they turn around, they'd look, they'd look.

SPEAKER_08 58:16

Oh there's someone looking out the window. No, no, no, no, not the other window.

SPEAKER_07 58:21

Yeah, we had Joel Hilgenberg up there. We had uh, of course, Kelly O'Brien, we had uh Rhino was up there all the time, and uh Kirk Banks, whose dad was Dwayne Banks, the baseball coach. He was on our team too.

SPEAKER_04 58:34

Great, great guy. Love him. All right, I two more just really quick questions for you. We talked earlier about how kind of speed was an essential part of your game. Did you take your pony shoes to the New York Jets with you?

SPEAKER_07 58:44

Uh you had to take at least one. I did, but believe it or not, I was introduced to an antique uh pile of shoes that they save for special players, and I was one of them, spot built.

SPEAKER_04 58:59

Oh, even better than pony, huh? Yeah, they're older.

SPEAKER_07 59:04

They're older than pony.

SPEAKER_02 59:05

I'd have taken a spot built over a pony anyway. Yeah, we got a negative review.

SPEAKER_07 59:09

And high tops, and they had these grips on the bottom. Yeah. Awesome shoes. They didn't break down. Pony were the worst. After one practice, they told you they were bad.

SPEAKER_06 59:19

All right, let's have a Hayden off between you two. I want you to hear your best impersonation of Hayden saying, We give our boys the best equipment.

SPEAKER_12 59:31

Man, man, I've done a hell of a job getting you the best deal on shoes. I got the best shoes anybody could ever wear. There's they're the latest and greatest. Not about people don't know about them, but they're pony shoes. Pony boys, we're gonna be ponies.

SPEAKER_06 59:48

Mike, can you outsell that?

SPEAKER_07 59:50

Yeah, I don't know. That was a hard one to beat.

SPEAKER_10 59:53

Man, I got the shoes. You're gonna love what I'm about to tell you. We've got this brand new line of shoes. They're called ponies. And guess what? Not only the shoes, but you get the outfits too. It's like they're they're excellent. They're they're perfect.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:16

Come in all sides. I'd say you got it. I don't know if you listened to our first podcast with Happen Jay. I didn't hear that part. But they still sell ponies. They still sell them. I did not realize they were. We were just at an event a couple weeks ago and a dude was wearing a pair. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:33

They were so desirable for kids like you know in junior high school when you guys all had ponies.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:40

We're really long on time. One of the things that uh we've been told from several people we have to ask you about a St. Patrick's Day in Dyersville. Oh, God. Do what you want with that. Do you have a story or two? Do you have a signature one, or do you just want to tell us about in general? St. Paddy's in Dyersville, your hometown.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:56

No, no, no. I just told them about when Jonathan, you know, the the the first black man ever entered the city of Dyersville and women were coming up.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:06

They weren't probably women either, they were more than likely just fresh out of uh high school, but they were coming up to Jonathan and rubbing up on him and touching the skin, and he turned to him. Yeah, it's real. It won't come off.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:21

John was John was a pretty good sport.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:23

Yeah. Yeah, he oh man, there's that one up my kitchen table. But what's the picnic table? I know you can't tell that story. The picnic table. The picnic table.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:31

We yeah, you gotta you gotta frame it up and tell them what the whole deal was.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:35

Well, I we bring the whole gang back. I think it was uh our third year or fourth year in college, so it was probably the third year. And uh Dyersville's famous, or at least back then it was for uh St. Pat Weekend. They had parades, they had huge Catholic community. Huge, and they had the town is three thousand people, and it's probably about five blocks long, all the way down to the great uh uh St. Francis Xavier uh Basilica Church. And between those five blocks, there's probably about uh at that time uh about eighteen bars. Half are Irish. Uh well they thought they were uh on on that particular day, but very, very, very German, uh all Catholic, uh all white. Uh it was unbelievable. But uh just that fact uh everybody thought they were Irish for at least one day. But uh what we started a little tradition to have everybody come up at uh after the uh downtown episodes where you're drinking um green beer green beer like by the gallons, and uh the the bars were literally so packed belly to belly, butt to butt, every it was unbelievable. And uh we got the hell out of there, and this was probably our second or third year.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:48

That was actually our third year. No, now now you gotta tell them that now your your folks always hosted a a garage party in the past. Oh, they did not host it, it was uh, it was me and my brother.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:58

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:59

All right.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:00

There was no host. You forced it on them. Uh they tolerated it until this particular time. The party was so this is the last party. This is the last one, and it was due to someone that I know and loved, and he wasn't a football player, but uh he was somewhat related to me.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:21

Dan McCartney.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:22

No, no, no, he was a football player too, and Iowa. But uh it was my uncle Pinky, uh my dad's uh brother, only brother.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:31

And uh Mike's dad. You saw the picture of Mike and he was a jet, and he had the big red hair, like like Jennings Dunker, right? Yeah. Well, his dad was the original Jennings Dunker. I mean, he was a huge man and big red hair, and his his nickname was Red. Big Red, yeah. And his brother was Pink. His brother was pinky.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:50

I love any story with Pinky in it. Yeah, yeah. And he was not a pinky, he was he was just as big as my old man. Matter of fact, he was a cop uh for Manchester for probably 10 years with another uh guy who's just as bad as he was, but uh lots of stories there too. He's a cop, yeah. Well, there's no problems with that. Um love cops. Uh as long as they leave me alone. Um but on the same uh Exactly It's all good.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:21

Totally back to blue boys, back to blue.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:24

Yep, I definitely do, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:26

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:27

Uh so we already had like three or four kegs ordered, uh uh big kegs, and already watered and iced down and everything. And uh my brother invited all his gang there too, whether they were from Dyersville or from Iowa.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:44

He was in high school at that time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:46

So we had uh a bunch of high school kids, maybe some young people there, but when they started walking in there with their letter jackets and shit, we kicked them out right to hell now. That's too obvious. Way too obvious. Uh you've got to be smarter than that kid. And then um my uncle and uh my four cousins from Manchester, they're all my same age practically, and uh they're just as rowdy uh as any football player. Most of them did play football too, and wrestlers as well. Meanwhile, we're having uh the big party, and John's out there just wiggling his ass, getting all these chicks to dance with him. Hap's out there doing some Whatever Hap does. Whatever Hap does.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:26

Yeah, they didn't call me Happy Feet for nothing. That wasn't true. Um But it was a it was it was a it wasn't a sparsely populated party, it was a very heavily attended. It was kind of a deal, you know, because the Hawks were in town. Close to St. Patrick's Day, 200 years. His roommate, Kelly O'Brien, uh probably the biggest Irishman I know on the planet.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:50

He's the biggest he was very much involved in that uh scene, and he always was more excited about than me. So anyway, go ahead. So what was happening is uh my Uncle comes walking in, he wants to see the show. So he's in there and he's checking out all the chicks and he's checking this is Pinky. Uncle Pinky. He sees uh I can't remember if it was maybe it was John. Did John jump up on the one of the football players?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:12

John Jonathan Hayes did get up there and did a little, you know, like a uh soul train gig right up on top of the on the picnic table. On the picnic table. You know, it was one of those uh wooden one with metal uh metal power bars and power bars.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:27

Well I jump up there and I do the funky chicken or whatever the it was probably a dead chicken more than one time, but uh I get up there and then all of a sudden my uncle he grabs me, throws me to the side, and he jumps up there and he starts dancing, he's acting like a size of a gorilla, and all of a sudden he just starts jumping up and down like a gorilla and he smashed that thing flat to the ground. And meanwhile, my mom's at the front door watching him do it, and then she looks at me, goes, Money!

SPEAKER_09 1:06:55

How can you do this? That's mine. Literally, take the table, and I paid for that with my own money. How can you why did you do that? Why did you do that?

SPEAKER_10 1:07:08

And I go, I'm not up there jumping up and down, and I shit you not.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:12

That I don't even know if we could use any parts.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:14

Literally, literally, he got up there and you know he's a big man. And he he jumped up once and he saw it went down about four inches, and then all of a sudden he got in his head. He was gonna he's gonna just destroy and fly this thing in the Samsonite commercial.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:29

Like exactly. Needless to say, a picnic table was bought uh later that spring uh by me to pay for it.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:36

But uh so that's where the jet sighting modus went?

SPEAKER_07 1:07:38

No, yeah, that that whole uh whatever is left. Exactly. But uh yeah, that that was uh one of the stories, and there's uh quite a few other ones that can't go on the on the tape or anything.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:52

But uh, you get do you have a dive bar around here that you go to?

SPEAKER_07 1:07:55

Um well I like uh every once in a while I get the hankering for some uh really cold beer and uh some giant wings uh up at uh uh the bar up there in North Liberty.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:10

76 or more?

SPEAKER_07 1:08:11

I like that place too, but I I hardly ever get over there. J and A? JA. JA's there. That's a great dive bar. And it's getting better because they uh did a little bit more work with their kitchen and expanded a little bit.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:24

And it's they've always had a good kitchen, but you're right, they're taking their game up a little bit.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:28

Yeah, and their volleyball situation's getting better too, which I never was in that. But three of my uh four kids, uh which are all daughters, they have been playing volleyball there probably for the last 12 years.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:41

No, every every every one of his daughters, he had three daughters, every one of them was a D1 athlete.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:46

Yeah, my oldest one, Danica, she went to Michigan on a full ride for uh track, and she was a thrower, so she her her primary thing was the shot put. And she did it the old slide way where you're doing a really violent turn instead of doing the the twist like you do with uh discus. Uh that eventually ruined her back, and she's dealing with that right now. Uh my second daughter, Michaela, she's actually a teacher over at Career Clique uh Career Spit it out, Mike.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:18

Um another highlight, Mike?

SPEAKER_07 1:09:20

Yes, I need another highlight, please. Hold. Uh and um she uh did really well there. She actually She was in Iowa, right? Yeah, in Iowa. And uh actually uh Danica got offered probably more than my brother did uh for scholarships all across the country, any track place, Texas teams, Oklahoma teams, California teams, Oregon, um East Coast, uh which one was uh a huge Georgia. They they were famous uh for uh a coach over there that used to do Olympics and they were trying to get her too, but uh um Iowa did not offer a scholarship. Out of all the scholars they figured she was a legacy, she was just gonna come. Oh really. And I said, guys, what would you do? Yeah, nice no brainer. And uh long story short, uh went to Michigan. And um and of course Michaela did her thing here at Iowa, and they had a whole different coaching situation after that. And then my my son, he played football, but uh my poor boy, um and he took after mama's side more so than the papa side, so he was a small frame. Now he's about 6'2 in weighs, probably about 230, but uh back in high school he was pretty small. And then Chandler. And then uh the best of them comes around, and she didn't get a scholarship uh offer anywhere, but uh she went to uh Drake and she threw the farthest of all of them. Uh she threw uh I think a 56-foot shot put and uh pretty good discus, but uh she ended up getting a full full ride uh after she started there. Uh now she's down uh getting a doctorate uh at uh Florida International, and they wanted her to go out there too, but uh I think she had two years left because it was during all the COVID crap. Oh yeah. They were pretty outstanding. Sweet lineage, yeah. That's great.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:19

Yeah, good DNA. All right, so here's what we're gonna do, boys. We're gonna end on a game here. You guys, you the two of you can work together. So the two of you served as co-captains for the 1985 Iowa Hawkeye football team. In this week's speed round, we're going to test your knowledge of the other captains that you share this rank with and are part of this illustrious captain club. This week's game is called Captain My Captain. So, what we're gonna do is I'm gonna give you the names of both real and fictional captains, and you're going to tell me what they are captain of. So let's get to the first round. Any question, boys?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:59

No, I think we got it.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:00

All right, here we go. The first captain is Sir Henry Morgan. Sir Henry Morgan. What is he the captain of? Captain Morgan.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:11

Captain Morgan. He's uh the captain of uh Rum, that's right, Captain Morgan.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:18

He was a Welsh-born privateer. He is uh Lieutenant Governor of Jamaica who terrorized the Spanish colonies in the Caribbean during the 17th century. He's often labeled the Knighted Pirate because he was knighted by King Charles II in 1674. His name is most associated with a rum brand that launched in 1944. While his image evoked pirate themes, Sir Henry Morgan actually lived a posh lifestyle in a Jamaican mansion. So very good. One for one. Captain Morgan, yeah. Love it, I love it. Captain and Coke, man. All right, here's our second captain, Chelsea Sullenberger. What was Chelsea Sullenberger the captain of?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:03

AKA Sully.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:05

Captain Sully. Oh, is that the one that that dropped the plane in the uh river?

SPEAKER_06 1:13:10

Yeah, that's right. Chelsea Sullenberger. Sully Sullenberger is a retired American aircraft pilot, diplomat, aviation safety expert who is known for his actions. He was the captain of U.S. Airways flight 1549 on January 15th, 2009. He ditched his plane into the Hudson River after both engines were disabled by bird strikes. 155 people all survived after landing in the Hudson. Solenberger became an outspoken advocate for aviation safety. So yeah, Captain Sully Solar. Chelsea.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:52

The movie made it sound like he was more skilled that he dropped his plate in the river, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:56

Right. Yeah. I think he was.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:58

Yeah, a little bit maybe.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:00

Alright, both of you are of a vintage that you should be able to get this. Our third captain is Daryl Dragon. Daryl Dragon? Who who is Daryl Dragon and what was he the captain of?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:13

Daryl Dragon. Did he work with Ron Jeremy?

SPEAKER_05 1:14:16

Ooh, that's a good guess. Daryl Dragon. I don't know who Peter Drag Peter Dragon, yeah. I know who he is.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:26

Like a little hen, isn't it? That's how Uncle Pink got his nickname. That sounds like a dragon.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:35

Pinky dragon. Now you got you guys you guys you guys gotta know that Mike and I both have CTE, so our brains are not functioning really good right now. So I mean it doesn't work that well.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:47

Alright, you give up. What was the name one more time? Darryl. Captain and Teneal. That's right.

SPEAKER_12 1:14:52

Oh my god! Thank you. Thank you for the story. Captain and Tanil.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:00

Daryl Dragon was an American musician known as the Captain. He was part of a pop musical duo, Captain and Tonil, his wife Tony Teneal. The duo was best known for their 1975 title track Love Will Keep Us Together, which got a Grammy for Best Record of the Year, 1976. Muscad Grove was tough.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:25

Oh yeah, definitely. That was definitely part of Yacht Rock, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:28

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:29

Front and center.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:29

Alright, here's our next captain, Bob Keeshin. Oh, this is Captain Kangaroo. Captain Kangaroo, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:37

Pull that out of my ass.

unknown 1:15:38

Wow.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:38

So a little known fact about Captain Kangaroo was he was Claire Bell on the Howdy Duty show. That's what how he started out, yeah. And um he couldn't play a trumpet, so CBS shit canned him. And then there was a huge uprise, and so he was hired back, and he was never given trumpet lessons.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:59

I'm almost wondering is it go back farther even that I think I remember one of those kid programs, uh, it may have been him. Uh he was a marine as well.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:09

Oh, he is yeah, he was a marine, but a lot of those dudes were, but yeah, he was a marine, and he uh uh yeah, he I think he was at maybe at the back end of Iwo Jima. Like maybe Iwo Jima's done, but he came in there.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:21

So what crevasset came out?

SPEAKER_06 1:16:25

I'm telling you, bureau bring out anything. Right there. Do you know who else was a marine? Was Bob Ross, the paint guy? Yeah, Bob Ross. Oh, yeah. And he was like a sniper dude. He was like a he had some bad stuff going on when he closed his eyes tonight.

SPEAKER_11 1:16:39

Notice put a little white note here for the vapor coming off that guy's head. Right? The pink mist.

SPEAKER_12 1:16:48

Happy little soldier. Yeah, happy happy little soldier. Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:53

Alright, so our last and final captain, Captain Quent. Captain Quent. This is also of your vintage.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:01

Uh is this um I was gonna say I'm not gonna say it. Darn, that would have been great. It would have been uh Quent. We can cut it. Medicine woman Quent? No. Um Captain Quent.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:18

Give me a hint. Yeah. Uh he didn't have a big enough boat. Oh, this is the guy from Jaws. That's right. Captain Quint was the captain of the Orca. That's right. He was one of the main characters in Steven Spielberg's 1975 thriller Jaws.

SPEAKER_10 1:17:34

He got swallowed almost whole.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:36

He's the survivor of the uh Indianapolis. Yeah. And uh yeah. He was portrayed by Robert Schuck.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:44

That's that's a way back machine. I pride myself on my cinema knowledge, but that's a good one.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:49

You guys were five for five on the captains.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:51

Well, well, with a little bit of help. Probably 4.2.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:58

4.2. All right, boys. Did you get all out of your systems? I think so. Thanks, guys. It was an amazing session. Mike and Hap. Hey, thanks for joining us today. Yeah, hey, thank you. Thanks everyone for listening. Make sure you like, subscribe, and follow so you don't miss one of our shows. If you reach out to us, we're on the Facebook group at the Deep Dive Pod group, or you could email us at deepdivepod2025 at gmail.com. Until next time, bye bye.