Silence Between Us: Parents, Children, and the Choice to Disconnect

We challenge the “no contact” trend and talk honestly about entitlement, real trauma, and how to set boundaries without losing your peace. We share how survival mode shapes parenting, why different kids require different approaches, and how respect starts with what we model.

• parents have feelings and deserve respect
• shielding kids while staying human
• the no contact trend and social media narratives
• abuse and mental health as valid reasons for distance
• entitlement versus true hardship
• teaching boundaries and emotional control
• tailoring discipline to different personalities
• survival mode’s impact on family dynamics
• co‑parenting, father roles and united fronts
• practical guardrails for phones, rules and consequences

Transcript

Opening Sparks And House Rules

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I am your parent, but I'm also am a human and I have feelings. Going about your business. And you can paint this narrative. I lost contact with my mom. Feelings are mutual.

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Cause I love you, but I will not be disrespected. Am I wrong for being more concerned about the kids than the adult? Like the parents?

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No contact. Is it entertainment?

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Anybody your perspective, you're close with your mom today, close with your sisters and brothers. Everybody did not have that room. Right. Like I saw this lady on social media saying, um, she set boundaries with one of her sons.

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How do kids get there? I'm sure it'll be easy for a lot of people to assume that it's all parenting, but when I hear something like that, it really sounds to me, hey, it's Des here.

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Sponsor Message And Show Framing

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Woman in Black is where we put down the cape and pick up the mic, being authentically who we are, where we are, unmasked, unfiltered, and unapologetic.

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How is your day going?

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I got me some last night. Say now I'm playing. I'm playing. Well, okay. Let's start that over.

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First of all, we're we are normal people. We are. We are. So we joke about listen, we are it's the girls' room. We talk about everything.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

Them men be on here though. Them men be on here, and who cares? I don't because if y'all think these babies just came in the world by them face. Exactly.

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And y'all think we supposed to be over here boring and sad and just boring.

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You're wrong. We're canceling boring in 2026 anyway. We are.

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We couldn't even cancel it because we never been born.

SPEAKER_01 2:27

Nah, it's not in our DNA. Although sometimes I'd be like, She be having her little granny moments and stuff sometimes.

SPEAKER_04 2:34

But I'll be snapping her back out of it.

SPEAKER_01 2:37

Let's go. Get up. Yeah, you do. Them kids wear me out. I think that'd be it. I'd be like, oh, yeah. But when I get out, I'm good. Like I'll be really home. No, I don't.

SPEAKER_04 2:48

She wanna stay out all night.

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And I'll be like, Oh, I need a nap.

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I'm tired. I need a nap. But yeah. So how was you say your day's going good? Yeah, my day

Soft Starts And Season Of Slowing Down

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is going good.

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I was chillin'. Like, I didn't rush myself this morning. Oh, that's good. I'm trying to be intentional about that, obviously. Like, just you know, starting a little softer, a little more gentle on myself. Because I'm the every we all have different personality types, right? I'm definitely the one who is really used to getting up. I make my list the night before, and it's like check, check, check. And then I get mad at myself when I'm not checking all the boxes, as if my life didn't change from how it was five, ten years ago. Right. And so I have to realistically recalibrate and tell myself, you're a different person in this season. You have different responsibilities, and it's okay to take it slow. And so that's what I'm working on. So I took my time this way. I've been in La La Land for days. La La La Land is nice sometimes.

SPEAKER_04 3:55

Yeah, it is. But snap out of it, girl. I don't know.

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I think you should enjoy it.

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I actually like it here.

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I think you should enjoy it.

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Yeah, um, other than that, life is life is life. I woke up this morning, I'm grateful, I'm blessed. Big things are happening. Yeah. I'm real biggest about to happen. Yeah. So excited, but let's just jump right into it.

Introducing The Theme: Parents Have Feelings

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Today's topic, we are going to talk about parents. We have feelings. We have feelings. And we often suffer in silence. Parenting suffering in silence. How you feel about that?

SPEAKER_01 4:51

That's a that's a lot. And I I think that we don't want our kids to always know what it is that we're going through. We don't always want them to know how their actions affect us at our core. We want them to understand, but we don't always want them to see the hurt so deeply as if they can't contain ourselves. So I think I think that's a real thing. I think um you could look at it so many different ways. But like how it usually had presented for me in the past was I'm working my behind off and you act like a little ungrateful, you know? And that's usually how it presented itself. But I had to I'm working

Ungratefulness, Shielding, And Silent Hurt

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on parenting in a way where I lead with conversations and ask myself if I did what I was supposed to do first. And I had to do that because I all four of my kids have different personality types. And if I didn't set them up for success, if I didn't explain consequences, if I didn't, if certain things that just slip my mind, I feel like dang I could have did better, that's where I try to make adjustments. But it still hurt. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It still hurt. And then on top of that, like that other side that I was mentioning too, we carry stuff we trying to shield them from. Right. We don't want them to see that side. We don't want them to go through things. They don't know, okay, it's only twenty dollars in a bank or something. Like we don't even let them they think the world is peachy key. And that's what it is.

SPEAKER_04 6:39

Um I think of how these kids feel like and and it's it's not my kids, it's just kids in general, this generation, um, they feel like they're entitled, right? Um like the world owes them so much, and you can talk to your parents any type of way, but the moment your mom or your dad sets you straight, you on social media complaining about them, talking about them, you know, crying about it. And it's just like at that point, you only know me as your mom. You don't know me like that. I tell my boys this all the time. Like, yes, guess what? Yes, I'm your mom, but I'm human too. And your feelings matter, and your feelings are valid, and so are mine. And they won't have a phone messing with me. Like, they won't be if you want to. Stop like us parents, we try, like you said, we shield our kids from so much, right? But we are human, our feelings matter. And because again, we don't want to see our kids, um, we don't want them to see or feel everything we've gone through. It's just like, dang, y'all have the audacity to grow up and say, no contact with my parents. But then

Entitlement, Social Media, And Respect

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the kids, the parents are wrong when they say, I don't want no contact with my kids. Because here's the here's another thing. Yes, you've birthed you birthed your child, and that child comes out with a completely different set of genes, set of genes, a completely different personality, something that if if he or she was not your child, you know for a fact that would not be somebody that would be up in your house. Like, let's just be real, people. Like, let's be real. If if this child that just has no regard for you was a normal person, you would not think twice. That's tough. Because it's your child. So when this child is 18 and is like, I don't want anything to do with you guys, if God forbid something like that happened to me with my voice, I think I might take it on the chin and say, I've raised you. I did what I have to do, I'ma still love you from over here. But if that's how you feel, and your feelings are so important that you don't even care about mine, I'm gonna have to let you, I'm gonna give you that space that you need. Because I you can't let people or your kids, your kids being those people interrupt your peace so much where you can't function.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

I'm gonna clip them right on their way out the door.

SPEAKER_04 9:14

And I hope you got somebody to call when life starts laughing out there. And of course, we'll probably be there. But I've seen, like I saw this lady on social media saying um she set boundaries with one of her sons because he was financially abusing her, physically abusing her, and her husband, and emotionally abusing her.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

How do kids get there? I'm sure it'll be easy for a lot of people to assume that it's all parenting. But when I hear something like that, it really sounds to me, in addition to maybe there were some parenting flaws, because sometimes there are. We got we gotta, it is what it is. Maybe there's some mental health issues.

SPEAKER_04 9:56

Yeah, that's what I think.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

Yeah, because like, and maybe they were trying to rescue or save him, and therefore were doing the most, and that's how those boundaries got faded to begin with. Because I I feel like that's where I hear or see it the most.

SPEAKER_04 10:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:12

Because we always want to save, we always want to, because they are our children. And then in doing that, they expect

Boundaries, No-Contact Trend, And Peace

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that. And then when you stop showing up, they you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:25

So it's this this whole trend, no contact. That's like a trend out there. It's a trend right now where all these adult kids are going no contact with their parents. Listen, I'm telling you, and y'all, y'all can drag me in these comments. Y'all can say what y'all want. But if one of my boys decides that he wants to go no contact with me, is it gonna hurt me? Absolutely. Right. It's gonna hurt me. But am I gonna chase you? And you just are blatantly disrespecting me and have painting this narrative in your head that your life was just horrible and I've disrespected you so much, and you just I'm just so much that you can't take me. Go live your life.

SPEAKER_01 11:04

I am just so just go live your life. I'm just really trying to process this. Yeah, I didn't know it was a thing. Yeah, it's a no contact trend.

SPEAKER_04 11:13

You gotta look, no, you gotta look into it. Um, no contact, but it's really a thing, and it's just like these kids just forget that we have feelings. And yes, I know I be wearing that cape, right? Supermom, but supermom has feelings, right?

SPEAKER_01 11:28

I am am I wrong for being more concerned about the kids than the darn adults, like the the parents?

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Because I'm like, well, why don't they want no contact with their parents? What their parents did to them. Is it entitlement? Is it abuse?

SPEAKER_04 11:43

It is also not just abuse, but it's it comes from the entitlement from them growing up. But think about your perspective. You're close with your mom, you were close with your dad, you're close with your sisters and brothers. Everybody did not have that growing up, right? You know what I mean? There, and it can start from parents, but it also can start from the kids. Yeah. Um, being access and being jealous of other parents, of other siblings. You get what I'm saying? And then putting it in their head. When I grow up, I don't want anything to do with anybody because you treated her this way, you treated him this way, and you treated me like the black sheep. And lo and behold, that may not be the story, the full story.

SPEAKER_01 12:25

We gotta unpack this, y'all, because y'all can see I'm like, she's what I'm processing. I I I tend to think that because this goes against all my beliefs, right? And it's the first time I'm hearing this. And I I only heard about this type of situation in households where there were some type of abuse, and like it feels validated. I'm like, I'm with you, yeah. No, don't, right? And so I tend to think that if more kids are doing this, there's one or two things happening. One is I ask myself, are the younger kids creating boundaries that some of us should

Abuse, Mental Health, And Parenting Flaws

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have created sooner? Yeah. And then the other question is what's wrong with them? Like the access to information where their insecurities are being validated publicly.

SPEAKER_04 13:21

So the whole that's that's another that's a whole nother issue in itself, the insecurities. Um, I love the kids of this generation. I love kids. Weak. Very weak. They're very different, very different, like very different. And when we think about it, how you go to go back to your first one about setting boundaries. Think about a aunt or uncle that you have that never came to the um the family function. So it happened years ago, but now it's just this trend. And listen, if you feel like, and I know that there's people out there that feel like they had to create those boundaries with their families, their parents, it sucks, right? From us because we love our parents so much. Yeah, we listen to it. Everybody is not like us, right? So that might be the hard the barrier where you're not it's not sinking in a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 14:20

It's gonna take some time, yeah. Do you think that based on what you said, this has been happening, but maybe this generation, maybe it's not entitled, maybe they're just more vocal about it.

SPEAKER_04 14:34

Yeah, they just don't care to to hide their feelings about it, they just don't care to hide their, they're not the ones, okay. They're not the kids, the generation to say, we just gonna go over grandma's house because we family, right? These, yeah, they are selling boundaries, you're right.

SPEAKER_01 14:54

They're like no, and I only say that because um, like my 10-year-old says boundaries. People teachers hate it, they hate it, but she will be first to say, like, don't talk to me like that. Like, and people are like, this little girl just yeah, yeah, she don't know how to say it properly yet. But if I find out you talking to my child crazy and that's

Are Kids Finally Setting Boundaries

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how she responded, I'ma have her back, right? And so if a child didn't grow up like me, they facing an adversity that I can't, I don't understand because I wasn't in their shoes, then who am I to say that they can't say that? That's how they feel, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:39

So, so I agree with that. But my thing is too, it's two, it's two parts in this, right? Okay, yes, the child may have let's talk about the kid that didn't come from trauma. Let's talk about the kid that's just entitled. Okay, and because your parent, your mom need a spanking, yeah. Okay, but they're grown, but they're grown now, right? Yeah, yeah. So because your mom can't help you anymore, now I'm gonna disrespect her. That parent, in my mind, in my opinion, that parent can say that listen, I'll say no contact before they say Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So if if you feel like you want to disrespect me, and you think that you can because I'm a parent, and you're not even realizing that yes, I am your parent, but I also am a human and I have feelings. Go on about your business, go on, just go on, and that'll be and then you can paint this narrative. My mom doesn't want any. I I lost contact with my mom. Okay, the feelings are mutual because I love you, but I will not be disrespected. I feel like some people just want a struggle story. A lot, girl. I know a lot of people that want to struggle because I ain't never listened like it's never the people that had the struggle that want the struggle story. It's the people do you want mine? It's never them. Like it's it's never the people in my own, you know, life,

Generational Differences And Tough Skin

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my time and seeing things. It's never the people that had a real struggle. Now, am I saying that what you might have gone through in your home if your parents were strict or something like that, if that that's not a struggle for you, you might have really struggled with that, right? Not being able to do certain things that you felt were important. But you were not out here, and your mom was in the next room, or your dad was in the next room getting high, or you know, or just having fam people just running in and out of your house all the time. You you just being around drunkards. Like you weren't, you didn't, if you didn't experience that, you you weren't molested. You certain things is just like, oh, my mom didn't let me go to my friend Johnny's house this weekend, so I'm so mad.

SPEAKER_01 17:51

Not a struggle. I'm gonna need them to go to a food bank, get some community service, or something.

SPEAKER_04 17:59

Something so you can't be crazy, exactly. And so that to go backwards for me and my boys, I always I don't they don't struggle, right? But I always remind them of people around us that we do know that's struggling. Because y'all could be here, right? You could be, you know what I mean? Like, I wish they would get out here painting that narrative. You you know, they be like, that's what's that song? I put it on my mama, don't put nothing on me. You better put it on your dad. Don't put nothing on me because your mom stood 10 toes down at all times. Don't put nothing on me. You better go put that on him.

SPEAKER_01 18:35

Yeah, I wouldn't know how to process. I wouldn't know how to process it, but I will say, although my kids have, they are they're I think they're just a different breed. I don't know. Um, because they're definitely very thankful kids.

SPEAKER_04 18:50

So your kids, especially your youngest ones, they have received a different version of you than your oldest. And the two youngest ones are receiving an even different version of you. But they the ones I'm scared about. Yeah, yeah. But they're they've received the softest version of you. You understand that?

SPEAKER_05 19:15

Yeah. The mother ones, they know not to try me. But so listen. Don't play with me because we was out here struggling together. Listen, girl.

SPEAKER_01 19:24

Them little

Teaching Boundaries And A Child’s Voice

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ones, I'm like, they daddy don't play though, so take that.

SPEAKER_04 19:28

Yeah. Link, link. But I want to hear what we want to hear. Um, she wants to hear whatever I want to hear. We want to hear about what you guys think about like the whole no contact thing, parents suffering and silence. Like, it's it hurts. Um, I went through some stuff with one of mine, and it hurt me to the core. And it wasn't, it wasn't on my end. It was just him going through, I don't want to say puberty, but he was just going through a phase. Where what he wanted was what he wanted, and what he wanted wasn't healthy for him and couldn't show up for him in a healthy way. So usually when kids are going through stuff going through things, the easiest person for them to lash out on is the person that does the most, the person that cares the most for the thing. That's like relationships. Yes. Any type of relationship. Right. Um but what I constantly got through his mind is that, yeah, your feelings are hurt. My feelings are hurt too. You gotta understand that I have feelings, and then when he pissed me off, you don't even know me like that. You don't know me like that. All you know is me as your mom.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

You know what is very important. Every child has a different personality type. Oh Lord, yes. They all have they all have a different personality type. And some of them require tough love.

SPEAKER_04 20:56

Yeah, oh let yes. And they won't understand it till they get older.

SPEAKER_01 21:01

Yeah, some of them require tough love. And um it's hard as a mom raise a boys, especially a single mom, right? Because I know for instance, you know, I pray for my husband

Entitlement Versus Trauma And Reciprocity

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daily because I'm like, I don't know what I'll do without you. Because that little one his mouth, he'd be doing some wild stuff. I love him. Sweetest person, but he also has a lot of testosterone. And so my husband say things like, Who you think you're talking to? You're not talking to my wife like that, and that changes things, right? So I have a layer of protection. Yeah, and so I'm gonna pray because I know there's a lot of single moms out here who need they don't have that, and they need that layer of protection, um, whether it's from their father, whether it's from their uncle, whomever, because certain things, when you all under one roof, some men, because I found out that all men don't do that either. But for the most part, I would think most men, they're gonna say, listen. Because guess what? Yeah, some. And it's crazy to me. But again, my story is a little different, so it takes me a little bit of time to process through another lens because I'm like, oh shoot, I ain't experienced that, but you're right. Um, but yeah, there's a lot of um, I'm learning that there's a lot of men who let their kids say what they want to their wife. Because when them kids grow up and get out this house, we still gonna be together.

SPEAKER_04 22:39

I think I wish to. It might be something they weren't taught, but listen, my brother, what you talking about? You think you're talking to my sister like that? Like, are you what you crazy? But they will rationalize it. Like, listen, I know sometimes you don't want to hear everything she's saying, but you ain't about to be talking to her all crazy. Like, so I don't really have that as an issue, but yeah, some of the men weren't taught that. They weren't, and some of the moms too

Real Struggle Versus Perceived Hardship

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weren't taught that.

SPEAKER_01 23:11

And they probably be cursing them kids out, they don't got no self-control and they expect the kid not to say nothing bad. Because I'll tell you one thing, I wish somebody would, mom, dad, brother, something, I it would be no contact because I'm not gonna let you disrespect me. I'm human too. And that's the part I can't do. And I think that might be, I think that's sometimes. I don't I I heard a story recently about that, and I think that's what it's just like, ah, because we don't realize we're teaching our kids how to be loved, right? You know what I'm saying? Right, right, and as mad as we want to get, if we don't have emotional maturity or control, what you think what you think they gonna do? You taught them, you taught them, you taught them how to act just like that, and you mad when it goes, man, listen, I be trying my darndest because I got a girl and I'm like, can't say that. Two girls, yeah. I got two girls, and you know how hard it is sometimes. I got a tween. Thank God we both are straightforward. So her saying something to me don't do that, but like it don't hurt.

SPEAKER_04 24:25

Yeah, it don't hurt. It don't hurt.

SPEAKER_01 24:27

It's like, okay, let's talk about that. No, sit down. We're gonna talk about why you feel how you feel. Because I don't take her being direct as disrespectful because maybe because we live in the same house and I'm also very direct with her, but outside of this house, for some reason, it just be like, chaos is chaos. But I'm like, Y'all need to get some thicker skin, because Lord Jesus. But anyway, so I'm just sharing that to say if we are parenting that way, and that's the the expectation

Different Kids, Different Parenting Styles

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we are setting, that's the baseline for them. Then when they hitting that baseline every time, you can't expect them not to. Yeah, we taught them how to be just like that, and that's what I'm kind of working with to make sure that I'm teaching the right thing. Yeah, that's the part.

SPEAKER_04 25:20

All we can do is teach what we know and what we're trying to learn more about, like because you said something.

SPEAKER_01 25:26

You said we have feelings too. Cause so there's moments when we do blow up. But will we expect them not to?

SPEAKER_04 25:35

Yeah, but you're not about to just keep thinking you just about to blow up every day just because it wasn't a toaster strudel left in the box.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

No, but if it's a parent who blowing up every day, I mean blowing up though, because them kids be getting on my nerves sometimes. Yeah, but I'm sure you're gonna be cursing them out every time you blow up.

SPEAKER_04 25:53

Sometimes I'm trying to work on that. Because they just used to not as often, but they just used to take me there.

SPEAKER_01 26:01

And I wasn't carrying a whole load.

SPEAKER_04 26:03

Yeah, I wasn't as hill, I wasn't as I wasn't in in this space, I was just like surviving, and it was heavy, right?

SPEAKER_01 26:12

So now we're chilling. So now we gotta have that conversation, not in this episode, about how survival mode affects our kid. Yeah, that's a good one. Lord, that's a good one. Yeah, because different personality types respond different.

SPEAKER_04 26:28

Yes, you know, and that's why I had to I had to pipe down a little bit, right? Um, because I have four different personalities. So I have the one that I told you. If you want just to let it out and you don't want anybody to say anything back, or you don't want anybody to pay attention, you call that old one. That older one. The oldest one. That's the one you call. Because when you walk out, he is not gonna know three things that you just said because he ain't paying attention. The second one, if you want somebody to hype you up, somebody with the smoke, you call that one. The third one, he gonna listen. He's gonna say, Well, I thought this, da da da. He's gonna listen, but he but

Fathers, Protection, And Household Standards

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he's not gonna tell a soul. He's gonna remember what y'all talked about, but he's not gonna, it's not gonna get outside of you and him. Now that fourth one, he gonna say something like, Well, you should have expected that from that person.

SPEAKER_05 27:22

That's the problem I'm having with the with my second one. What's to be expected? Right. And then I'm just trying to tell him, please don't say this in school because they ain't built like that yet.

SPEAKER_04 27:34

So, right. So it's just like I had to learn what I can do with duty, how I can say things to duty. I can't say them to Jalen. I I can say this and this to Tyler and Duty, but I can't say it like that to Jalen. Um, Jace, that little one, you gotta be prepared for a comeback. And like you said, because you're direct, it does not bother you. But I'm trying to get him in a system of just because me and you can interact like this does not mean that everyone will receive it that way. So I'm trying, I'm still, he's a work in progress. Yeah, I got one of those and his brothers, and the difference between mine and yours, he has three older brothers that's on him. Like you're Jace, would you just say? No, we're not doing that. You know what I mean? But sis over here, she's taking over the world.

SPEAKER_01 28:30

She got the whole world in her hands. Nia, like, uh-uh, come get up. And I'll be having a when I have conversations. I gotta remember her personality type, just as you do, because I'm like, all right, okay, I need to her to remember she's still a child, but because of her position in the the line of kids, she she takes on responsibility, not because she has to, but because first of all, she's just my mini me. And you

Modeling Emotional Control And Respect

SPEAKER_01 29:00

know, before I got married, it was just me and them two, and that's just what it was, and we gotta gotta figure it out. But um, yeah, so we gotta talk about that survival part. But I'm cracking up because when you said when you said each of the kids, I'm thinking, because when Tristan get upset, which is rare, but if he was Tristan ever get upset, not not really, but what he would do is go in that room and shut the door. I'd be like, This looking at me listening at the door.

SPEAKER_05 29:29

I'd be like, I see him for a day. He'll be like, make sure everything did there. You don't want to text them because you don't want to know you really care right now. You don't want them to know you really care. You just gotta like peek, like oh all right, he's good.

SPEAKER_01 29:44

He's still in there.

SPEAKER_05 29:45

He's still in there.

SPEAKER_01 29:47

He looking no, I said what are the kids?

SPEAKER_04 29:49

No, seriously, but hey. So with that being said, stay strong, parents. You don't have to suffer in silence. You don't meet us at the couch on every Friday, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:03

For a new episode. And what do you think is contributing to this being so wide trendy now? Yeah, being so trendy, like, because I this is new to me, so I'm still processing. I might have different thoughts the next time. Or I'm gonna send her the video, guys. Yeah, she gotta send me the video. And after reading some of y'all comments or feedback, because maybe it's a perspective that's going over my head right now. Yeah, but um, yeah, this is new to me. I drop kicked him on the way out. That's what I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_04 30:32

Listen, let me help you. I had one kid. Every time he got mad at us, he told us, I get older, I'm moving to Japan. Okay, I'll come visit you. You're not hurting my feelings.

SPEAKER_01 30:44

I used to run away, so maybe I was just not good for it. My parents wasn't bad, but I was out. I mean, they had their own. She was just wanting to be honre. Yeah, I was birth order matters. That's what I'm gonna say. Birth order matters. And

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SPEAKER_01 31:01

second, when you in the middle, your middle choke.

SPEAKER_04 31:04

Second was whoo hoo hoo.

SPEAKER_01 31:07

Birth order matters. But yeah. All right, y'all.

SPEAKER_04 31:10

Guys, well, keep working on trying to be the best version of yourself. Don't let them kids stress you out.

SPEAKER_01 31:16

Yeah, just don't let them stress you out. And sometimes you gotta just let them fall.

SPEAKER_04 31:20

And sometimes you just gotta meet your girlfriends on the couch or at the winery or at yoga. Just do what do what you need to do to breathe.

SPEAKER_01 31:32

You know your kids better than we do. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 31:34

Listen, you gotta go no contact, do what you gotta do. Do what you gotta do. Do what you have to do. Right, right. All right, guys. Peace. See ya.