EP.42 Espionage Movies

In this episode of the Newbies to Movies Podcast, host Justin is joined by guest Ty to analyze the contrasting worlds of espionage cinema, focusing on the journalistic realism of All the President's Men and the stylized action of Goldfinger. The discussion covers the evolution of spy films, character development, and genre impact before concluding with a competitive draft to select ultimate espionage movie lineups. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:14

Hello, hello, hello. Welcome to Newbies to Movies. I'm Justin, and uh this is a podcast where we like to talk about new movies we're watching. So as uh previously mentioned, Tyler will be away from the show for a while. So what I plan on doing is kind of just having a new guest on every week um to kind of fill fill in the podcast. But obviously we'll miss Tyler, but I think this is a really great opportunity as well. Get some very different outside perspectives. The past couple weeks, me and Tyler have been coming up with a lot of the same scores for the same movies, so get some really different takes, which will be fun this week. And uh this week we have on Ty. Definitely recurring guests. You've been on a couple of times now. So how's it going, Ty?

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Good. Thanks for the uh co-host uh invite.

SPEAKER_02 0:58

Yeah, no problem. Thanks for helping me out. It's uh definitely a big help. Um, it's been a lot to take on without Tyler, so we'll see how this goes. But this week we're gonna be specifically focusing on espionage films, and we decided to do All the President's Men and Goldfinger. Before we get into that, um, if you want to kind of talk about some things you've been watching, I know you just got knee surgery, so you've been chilling, watching a lot. Tell me the best thing you've watched and the worst thing you've watched.

SPEAKER_00 1:24

I have some mixed feelings on a new one. I just started uh Scarpetta. It's about eight episodes. I'm only about four deep. Start off really strong. I don't know, I'm starting to get mixed feelings. Just watched the latest one last night. It has Nicole Kidman, Patricia. It's basically on a Patricia Cornwell novel. Jamie Lee Curtis, Bobby Convilla, some really good rock star actors. The plot's starting to get a little fuzzy for me, but anyway. So we'll see how the outcome of this one goes. But I was really excited on the first couple, but the latest one has me a little positive where we're headed. Uh the last couple of weeks, uh I've been surfing around Zero Dark 30 since we're on espionage type thing, sorry about your state on state actor type thing. It's probably the third time I've watched it. Sort of one of my new go-to's. If I see it, see it. I'm gonna check it out just because uh this it's probably been four or five years since I've seen it. Uh but then I stumbled upon uh Midway 2019 film. It was big it was big when it came out. I just never ever got a chance to see it yet. But it's sort of the Proof Pearl Harbor attack, our response some really good actors in that as well. Really came out very positive, strong movie. Glad I watched it. Then I checked out a couple you actually referenced to me the Batman. Really good uh I have mixed feelings on the different Batman series. But this one is really a strong one. Then the short film you recommended the singers. Really good short film, really short, like 15-20 minutes, but still really strong performance. And some Brighton Lighty shocker comes out of the blue. There's some of the people in the bar, I don't want to give it all away, but uh it's a really interesting short film.

SPEAKER_02 3:21

Yeah, I loved that that short film. So basically what the director did was he found like a bunch of viral sensations. Like the uh bartender, he was like a singer in the subway in New York, and then the the one guy that played uh It Hurts Me Too, he was like a New Orleans street jazz band player. One of the guys was like on the Voice Australia, just like a bunch of different people who went like viral on social media, not actors at all, and then kind of transformed them into this short story, so I thought that was really neat. I haven't checked out Midway yet, but I have heard that it got pretty good reviews, so I definitely want to watch that. And then the Batman was one I recommended to you because, like you said, it's very different Batman. It's not you know superhero kind of big time, you know, worldwide threat fighting Batman. It's definitely just kind of a grounded detective, you know, fun thing in there. Um a lot is coming out for the second one. Um, we just found out this week actually that it's gonna take place just a couple months after in the snow. So December in Gotham. Um, a lot of people are thinking Mr. Freeze might be the villain, so we'll see. Um, but I'm excited to see that. And then I've been I kind of told you about this yesterday. I've been watching the boys. I was kind of explaining to you how it's like, you know, what if superheroes were in the real world, you know, just kind of corporate weapons and all they cared about is money, power, and sex, basically. Yeah, they're on the last season right now and it's getting pretty intense because they do not care about killing a lot of main characters at this point. Um they're finishing it up. Yeah, it's pretty dark show. Definitely recommend that, but wouldn't eat before. It gets really, really gory. Um, so what kind of what th what do you think about espionage films?

SPEAKER_00 5:13

Yeah, at the core of an espionage, I have to cast be within state threats, so like US, you know, what's it, you know, because we've had threats within our own. Yeah. But then you talk about cross-country states on state state actors, you know, trying to do harm or to some of the citizens, or so it's sort of that core element trying to figure out who is the bad guy and why are the bad guy, and always that sort of element of how you're gonna catch them and prevent the big explosion or the big information getting out, or sort of that key element of almost like a detector thing before with state on state or intra-state threats that you're trying to mitigate.

SPEAKER_02 5:55

Yeah, yeah, it totally makes sense. I was I wrote down here, I was like, you know, gotta have that investigative nature to it. You know, the the stereotypical like double cross, triple cross, the whole secret agent thing is always pretty cool. But again, it can be super like a political state thing, like you were saying, or it can also be this super fantastical action event, just depending on how it's depicted. So that's always cool. Um, so yeah, getting into the first movie if you want to start Ty uh with Goldfinger.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

Yeah, I'll give it a try. Tyler did all such an incredible job leading these things. I'm sure I'll uh stumble here and there, so apologize already. The uh Goldfinger, obviously in the uh uh Bond series, I think they're up about 25, 26 now. I think they're talking about coming out with one this year, uh with who's gonna be the new Bond and all that kind of uh energy. So this one, Goldfinger is first the uh third in the series. So do a lot of homework on this because I I do respect the Bond series. Uh a lot of chatter in there. I would say in the circles of this is in the top tier, maybe top five of the Bond series. Okay. Sean Connery's now obviously the first Bond help establish that franchise. And this in the third series sort of established that sort of formula, what I often consider there's always gadgets involved, there's always villains. They now sort of come with those theme songs that often go very public uh out mainstream, and then based on our uh espionage or sort of cost of action, trying to figure out who the bad guy is, what they're up to, and how we're gonna stop and hop them element. And so uh also in this one one sort of uh started off the sum of you'll you'll see throughout the series the Apston Martin, famous car, uh and then a lot of the sort of uh bond circles that you you just see uh we'll get when we talk into some of the characters and stuff that are through the a good good first half in the franchise. The M, the Q, you know, some of those mainstaying characters that we throw out through some of the series. Very excited because uh I grew up in sort of the later Lidzip series um in the 70s, uh late 70s, mid-80s. Uh so it was sh this series or Sean Founder series before that, so I didn't check some of these out till I was in my 30s actually. And so it was first time I saw the Woldfinger, I was like, wow, one I missed on date, but at the time was was pretty current on the on the uh Bond series coming on, yeah. So yeah, yeah, yeah. Talk about this one. This one.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

I um so I never really got into the Bond series besides a kind of in a similar situation that you were saying. Like I've only ever seen the Daniel Craig ones because that was just kind of out for my generation, right? And so get coming into this, I was like, I didn't really know what to expect. I was like, okay, so as soon as we started, I was like, wow, there's just like these are where all the iconic espionage sounds come from, like the the score, the uh I don't know, just the gadgetry, all of this. I was like, I can't even call it like cliche or corny because this is what started it. This is what kicked off all of that. So you can't even call it that. That's where it kind of stemmed from. But um, yeah, super neat. And then obviously the plot is kind of tracking, you know, him going after um Goldfinger. Goldfinger kind of wants to nuke the uh the US Reserve plot twist.

SPEAKER_00 9:43

Yeah, so you bring up an interesting topic right off the bat of who's the best Bond. Because, like you said, you came in the Craig era, which I'm a big Craig fan now. I came in the Roger Moore era, so I I consider Roger Moore the no more number one in my eyes, just because that's what came out when I was coming up. Craig is a second for me now. If you talk to a lot of folks, Sean Connery is probably still in their top, if you talk to older folks, uh probably their number one. So it's an interesting conversation just on who's the number one bond.

SPEAKER_02 10:16

Dude, I tell you what, I haven't seen a lot of the other bonds. Man, does this guy got game with the women? I mean, he does not play.

SPEAKER_00 10:24

No, he does not play. Alright, so we'll go ahead and get started then on the uh plot. I gave it a solid eight. I like it when they move especially in the ser Bond series. A lot of espionage movies move like this, right? Because you're often talking state-on-state concerns. But so they weave throughout Miami, Kentucky, England, and Switzerland. So the sort of core plot of uh figuring out what what the goldfish is up to after the Fort Knox. Basically getting all the gold. Yeah. Pretty easy to follow. The pacing dragged slightly in the Kentucky, I thought period. Dragged a little bit, but it seems like almost like Bond stumbles upon information. And so other than that, I thought is really good, a good plot, really solid. I'll give it an eight and eight.

SPEAKER_02 11:19

Yeah, I agree. It definitely felt like he was more of just like a lucky guy than anything. He would just kind of stumble upon like really important parts of uh Goldfinger's plan. You're definitely right, that Kentucky scene where he's kind of imprisoned, but also there trying to like, I don't know, Goldfinger was kind of holding him just to like show the agency that like no, he's just here like talking and like we're just friends and everything like that. So that part kind of slowed down the plot as well. And then I felt like the ending, I don't know, it was a cool action sequence, but it was really fast. I I started looking at, you know, I just clicked up to see how much time was left. There was like 10 minutes left when they finally went into uh the actual gold reserve itself, and I was like, oh, this is gonna wrap up like fast. Like, I don't know what's about to happen here, but uh definitely interesting plot line and a lot of you know far-fetched ideas, like that gas just being opened up right above them, and all of a sudden everybody passes out. But really cool, definitely a fun action movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

All right, moving on to characters. I really like the characters. I gave it a 9.5. I think Sean Connery, obviously, you know, uh I believe six uh official maybe did sort of come back on the seventh of the Bond series, help establish that franchise. So it's uh really rock solid performance. Under Blackman, I I thought she did is pussy galore. I thought she did a fantastic job. Even uh Harold Scad Scato, the odd job guy with a hat, I thought that was a even though it got a lot of talking to it, very powerful. And then I was alluding to earlier, some of them be what became mainstays in the in the franchise. Bernard Lee is M, Lois Maxwell, famously, uh Miss Miss Money Penny uh 14 times, and then Desm Desmond and Large SCP 17 time running. So some of those uh characters sort of stayed in the uh franchise for some time. So but Goldfinger, I thought he did an awesome job. I thought the character really resonated well. I think that's why in this smaller circle you'll see a lot of chatter about this being in the top five-ish of the 007 franchise. I think because of Goldfinger, I think he did a really nice job selling that role and make sure everybody understood what his sales back and forth.

SPEAKER_02 13:51

Banter was always really good. Um, I specifically like the scene where he was about to laser him in half, and Connery's just freaking out trying to come up with something to say to get out of it. Like I said, he's super lucky the whole movie.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

Yeah, it seems like he always finds a way to get under the skin of bad guy and like to stop whatever like yeah, because he was like within a probably inch of of becoming cut in half, and so Okay, moving on to dialogue. I thought the dialogue was pretty sharp. I gave it a nine, there was a a lot of good, I thought one liners. So like you were talking about the laser scene where he was basically Mr. Bond was talking about you expect me to talk, and he was like, No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die. And then the one of the fight scenes in the bathroom where the threw the guy in the in the tub and and uh basically got shocked by the little heater thing. Turns and says shockingly, positively shocking. And the famous I think in the first uh reading up uh the first movie they said different versions of it. But I think this is where they really establish it seems like our record anyways, this famous martini shaken, not stirred that you pretty much see throughout the series right now, but it sounds like this movie is where they that sort of canned phrase became uh initial and official. So yeah, a lot of new one-liners. I thought the dialogue wasn't too exhaustive. There's always some woman in every scene, right? Almost would uh help him out.

SPEAKER_02 15:31

Yeah. I thought um it was always super funny. Him and uh Oddjob's relationship was always hilarious to me because he'd say some really funny stuff to him, but Oddjob didn't talk, so he'd just be staring blankly at him. I always thought that was hilarious. He said uh he said, manner's odd job. I thought you always took your hat off for the ladies. He's just staring at him, not saying anything. That was a funny bit throughout the whole movie, but yeah, it was it was good dialogue. Cinemography?

SPEAKER_00 16:00

I gave it a 7.5, I saw it was solid. Some of the color compositions stood out. The gold obviously throughout I think they did a good job there. S some of the fight scenes though, I I thought there was awkwardly sort of I think they could have pictorially put it from a different seemed like some weird angles. I didn't really get a gist of who was had the upper hand obviously when he's thrown up against a wall or something. But I thought the action scenes of the fights I thought could have been shot a little differently and make a little bit easier for the for the viewer. But overall, that's work something said.

SPEAKER_02 16:41

Yeah, I agree. I mean, it I think it's definitely one of those things that comes with time too, you know, just being so old, like the action was definitely like the the bam and pal, like the comic books. Um, you could definitely tell that. One thing that stood out though, I thought the the driving scenes were actually shot really well. Like it did not look as bad as I thought it was gonna look, especially with the gadgetry and the um, I think I believe it was the Rolls Royce. I thought it was done super well. That those parts didn't look that corny to me at all. Even the crashes when he crashed into the wall, everything like that. It looked pretty decent for its time, which was uh pretty good. But yeah, cinematography was pretty decent, just also understanding for the time period as well. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

And moving on to acting, I gave a solid eight. Connery, I think, put in sort of his solid, solid 007 performances. Is interesting reading up on after the seems like a lot of the folks, the actors that do the Bond series, they either like that, they like Roger Morg, he accepted it, always sort of considered himself in that genre and the theme theme where Sean Kairi raised the very well documented. They tried to get away from the Bond series afterwards, doing a lot of different roles and stuff, so he's had an iconic career, but it seems like he tried to dist himself a little bit from that 007 series. But great performance. I still see him as him as one of the top top 007. I thought Hanor Blackman really the p Pussy Gloria, I thought she did an outstanding job for a female early. That was you know, six six news almost stole some of the show, I thought, out of her performance. And then Goldfinger Kurt uh I think did a really solid job as well.

SPEAKER_02 18:31

Yeah, I I haven't seen much of Sean Connery before. Um, honestly, like I definitely want to go into more of his Bond movies just to kind of see his overall you know acting skills. But I have seen him in uh the Indiana Jones franchise, and obviously he's a lot older then, so it's interesting to see like how his acting has transformed over time. I I like doing that for any actor, but in general than this movie, I thought the acting was pretty good. Yeah, Pussy Galore's character was really funny. Um it's really cool at this time too to see like uh such a strong female role. You didn't really see that much at this time period, so having such a strong female role is uh pretty interesting to see as well.

SPEAKER_00 19:13

All right, moving on to sound effects. I gave it a solid seven, and uh to today's standard's hard to really, you know. We've the uh industry has sort of transformed in that regard. But for the first time I thought it was solid. Some of the sound effects explosions I would say is more artificial for today's purposes, but for the time period though, I thought it did a solid job. I mean, it wasn't anything that was too gimmicky, like you said. Sometimes it'd be like like, okay, he just fell. He didn't, you know, he didn't need to have a the bat like you said, the old how, the old series. It's like oh I felt like all of a sudden we were gonna see something like, oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 19:57

Yeah, I mean the sound design was good. One thing, obviously, I said like I haven't seen many of the Bond films, but hearing the the sound effects, the the score in this, I was like, oh, I've heard that before, whether you know it was used in other movies or I've just seen clips before, but such an iconic score as well. And just that that sound, I don't know if they carried it out through the the Bond franchise and kept using it, or if it's and you know, I'm sure it's in Austin Powers and other like kind of make fun of the Bond franchise movies, but um, yeah, it's time to Alright, moving on to editing.

SPEAKER_00 20:34

I don't know what the uh sort of the efficient storytelling uh and cutting from scene to scene. I thought it was pretty efficiently was out of where I was lost where we were. Some of the cut scenes, what I alluded to a little bit, I thought they could have edited a little bit differently. There's a couple scenes get jittery almost. But really solid job. Other than the fighting scenes, I thought were pretty well done as far as the editing perspective.

SPEAKER_02 21:02

Yeah, yeah. I think the editing was done pretty well, especially like we were talking about for its time. The one thing that we kind of talked about earlier was just that Kentucky kind of scene where they were kind of sitting around for a while, it felt like where Goldfinger was, you know, explaining his master plan and giving them the mwa ha ha ha kind of thing. Um it felt like that dragged a little bit. It took for a while in, but also um Agent 008, you know, trying to find 007 and sure if he's like doing okay or what's going on. That was kind of drawn out a little bit for me. So if I had to say one thing, I'd probably cut 10 15 minutes from that, add 10 15 minutes onto the final action sequence, and I think it would go a long way. But again, really iconic movie for its time, so I can't even bash on it too much.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

All right, moving on to set design. I gave it a solid 10. I really liked, I mean, that's what I would look. Like uh the 007, you're looking for those extravagant scenes, and you walk up to this huge it looked like it was an oil container or water container, huge building. You open this little swivel door, and you open up it's like a luxury office setup. It's like that's what I look for in the 007, these exaggerating sort of elaborate scenes, the laser you really felt like there was a laser getting ready to cut them in half.

unknown 22:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:28

Uh so that's what I really like about the 007 series and Mission Possible, some of the other, you know, uh ones out there too. But that's what you I look for for those things. The sort of the big scene sets. And so I think that's from really delubers and that's guard.

SPEAKER_02 22:44

Yeah, especially for its time too. I don't know exactly how much this budget was, but even the the differences between the cities we see, right? We see Switzerland, part of maybe they were in Germany for a minute, Miami, Kentucky. You could definitely tell they were in uh different areas of the world, which was kind of a big deal at this time, right? Like these budgets probably weren't massive, so whether they actually traveled there or just kind of built sets, either way, it it did a good job at distinguishing and making the viewer actually feel like they were in different places moving around the world.

SPEAKER_00 23:19

Moving on to direct thing, I gave a solid nine, guy Hamilton, uh really solid uh career in with the Bond series. He did three of them. He did two of them in the Roger Moore era, which I really liked that that era as well. I think he does a great job of mixing that humor, suspense, the extremely uh challenging and difficult strategies that the Bond series has and the pacing of it. Sometimes some of these double et cetera, it seems like it's so fast. We're trying to like, okay, what just happened? Oh no, some we're jumping in uh by his pace where he lets the scene develop and execute and then we move on in the next sex terror on fire scene.

SPEAKER_02 24:08

Yeah. I haven't seen any of his other movies just looking here, but um, I thought it was done pretty well. Like you said, um I'd be interested to definitely see how it compares to his other Bond films, um, just to see. But I I think he balanced the comedy, the action aspect of it really well. It never took itself too seriously, right? It wasn't trying to convince the viewer that all this could actually happen. It was understanding that you know this was fictional and trying to be an entertainment movie, which was cool.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

Yep. Um and last category theme, I gave a solid a I think a sort of mixed in well, the greed, the power, the cold airs, I would argue sort of paranoia, yeah. Obsession of all things the villain. Uh so yeah, I thought I think it really stood on its own and did a really nice job contrasting all those sort of elements.

SPEAKER_02 25:06

Yeah, kind of the uh stereotypical themes, right, for an espionage movie that that greed, the reason behind the uh villain doing what he does, just that that modern villainy kind of a tongue-in-cheek thing. But yeah, I think it was done purposeful and well. So, like I said, I'd be interested to compare it to some other Bond movies, and I think we're doing Spectre in a couple weeks, Madison told me. So it'll be interesting to compare to that, especially just the big time difference, right? See how the themes change um and and such a distant period of time.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

So yeah, overall I gave it uh eighty-four out of a hundred. I think it was really in my in my of all the bomb movies I would say it's in my top five. So you know I haven't seen all of them. So I think it really holds up well against the series. The the Craig era this could be he left huge shoes to fill. I was a little skeptical when they announced his name. I was like, really? Sort of reinventing because I thought there was a little lull spot before he came in. And so I'm excited to see uh where they take it from here.

SPEAKER_02 26:27

Yeah, so for me, I gave it an eight or an eight point uh zero. Uh I thought it was a really fun action film, you know, nothing too deep, nothing like we're about to do with uh all the president's men, but that's what made it fun, right? That's what these movies are. They're the big blockbuster action films, and I think this was really done well for um that and obviously it's kind of the building blocks for what this franchise has become. They definitely didn't think it was gonna be this at the time. I can't imagine they would ever thought how big it would have gotten. But yeah, such an interesting way to go about the espionage film. And I gotta ask you, who is your fan cast for the next Bond? A lot of people, the reason I ask is a lot of people have been debating this. You know, some say somebody like Henry Cavill will kind of fit that stereotypical one, but then some also say somebody like Idris Elba would be a neat one too, just because it's a Idris Elbow.

SPEAKER_00 27:21

I think that would be a per for my eyes, but again, I don't because again, when they picked Rud uh Craig, I was like, there's no way this is gonna there's no way. Uh yeah because the he came in right after the Pierce Monson, who I think is the worst. I I know I never saw that guy's bond. Never. So when they picked Craig, I was like, there's no way I'm gonna be done with this franchise, and then he just just sort of took it into a whole different level. And so um I do like he's his name. I I if they picked him, I would be excited.

SPEAKER_02 27:55

So I just quick Google here. Some people say Aaron Taylor Johnson would be interesting, I think he'd be cool, or Jacob Alordi is on here as well, but he's Australian, so I guess he could just pass it, but we'll see. It should be interesting. Yep. We know no matter what happens, they're gonna make a billion dollars at the box office, that's for sure. Yep. Yeah, so um getting into all the president's men, um, don't know much about Watergate. I had no idea this movie was about Watergate, so it was really interesting for me coming in. I mean, besides what I learned in school about Watergate, I was excited to see this as soon as I saw the opening scene, you know, with the people breaking into the Democratic national headquarters. I was like, oh, this is what this is about. This makes a lot more sense now, considering it's talking to all the president's men literally in the title. But with the plot, obviously, it's a real fact uh account of the Washington Post journalists who kind of worked on uh Watergate. And I guess they wrote a book about it after they had did it, and then this is kind of the putting it into motion picture from the book. Um, from what I've seen, people say it's pretty accurately translated over from the book as well. So pretty good firsthand account. But they followed the money of the 1972 burgoli burgoli, sorry, I was folding there. Um, and they're obviously their persistent reporting exposes the massive illegal intelligence operation that was going on, including the White House, and it all ultimately led to President Nixon's uh resignation. But the way that this plot was told, I gave it a nine. I thought it was a really amazing way to tell this story.

SPEAKER_00 29:33

Yeah, it's probably been close to 30 years since I've watched this movie for the first time. I thought it was really good. Always sort of hell as is a good movie, but damn, I'm glad you uh had me re-watch it because I forgot how good this movie really was. So yeah, the plot I really liked uh I thought it stuck to the plot. I mean, obviously nobody knows the sort of basic premise at this point for Watergate, uh, but as far as uh sticking to sort of the roots of of uh of what Watergate's all about, the plot I thought was solid. I get it 9.5, I thought it was really well. Well, again, I've been a long time since I've watched it, but I forgot how good this movie really is.

SPEAKER_02 30:16

Yeah, but you're touching on just like the idea of not going into like what the government was telling everybody, instead just staying on that journalism side and strictly telling the story through there. The only thing that we really get from the government is a few press conferences that we see on the TVs throughout the film. And I feel like that's more there just to keep us in tune with what's what was happening at the same time on the government side, but seeing it just from a journalistic perspective was um super neat, which I'm sure I'm gonna talk about 10 more times while talking about this. But getting into the characters, obviously we have Wood Stein, as he liked to call him, Wood Stein, get over here, Bob Woodward, uh played by Robert Redford, and then uh Carl uh Bernstein played by uh Dustin Hoffman, where two obviously the big the big characters, the main characters in this, and I think their banter back and forth working as basically partners in crime was uh really great throughout this movie. A lot of other big side characters as well. You had Jason Robards, I hadn't seen him much in anything else. Uh Hal Holbrook, Jack Warden, Jane Alexander, Meredith Baxter, and Ned Beatley, um were some other big actors in this, uh played as more side characters, but um I thought the characters were really good. I gave it a nine.

SPEAKER_00 31:30

Yeah, same here, same number I gave. I gave solid performance. Barbara Redford holds his own in any movie, but did an outstanding job, sort of that nitty-gritty uh selling it the uh you know you saw him stumbling through notes on matchbox uh notes to a little scrumpled up out of their pockets. That's why you're hoping uh that whole journalistic thing you talk about. I thought they really sold that really well. I'm not a huge Dustin Hoffman fan, to be honest with you, but he did a rock solid performance in this sticking to that uh sort of roots and nuts and bolts of of journalism. So I thought he did a really good job of getting getting full transparency air by Dustin Austin off. I don't know, I just got mixed meal about a lot of his performances, but this one he gotta give him credit, he did a really good nice job.

SPEAKER_02 32:21

See, Ty, that's crazy to me. I'm gonna have to do Dustin Hoffman one week and bring you on. I I've only seen this, Rain Man and Kramer versus Kramer, and every time I'm just like, wow, this guy really has it. So maybe we'll do him one week or just one of his movies, another one of his movies in a different category and see what what's up. But I I thought they were both amazing in this. Yeah. And then cinematography, I gave it a 10. I thought the cinematography in this was amazing. I thought the I specifically love the shots, especially just like the one at the end, but happened multiple times through the film where the you know, we're seeing the TV kind of move us along in the plot with what the government's saying in a press conference or an interview. But then you see them in the background working away, right? As just just to kind of show, like, hey, they don't believe any of this, they don't have any uh ability to fall for this BS that the government's feeding them. They're the only ones who are absolutely locked in and 100% believe they know what's going on, even through all of the the interviews who which kind of contradict them and what they're saying, and then you know, the president and his advisors also saying like they're lying. Like I just thought it was done so well to kind of portray how they were feeling as characters, and so that's why I give it a 10.

SPEAKER_00 33:36

Yeah, I gave 9.5. I thought the way they did the shadowing and the parking garages, the newsroom lighting late at night when they're there by themselves, typing away. You heard a actually, you know, sound effects will get some of that, but you know, like hearing that, contrasting with some of the lighting. They have Washington, DC atmosphere. I think they did a really nice job selling that. And then even the courtrooms usually is so focused on the judges and the plaintiffs and the defendants, but the back of the courtroom, sort of almost that sort of underlying getting finding the tidbits of information from people in the in the courtroom itself. I thought the way they shot some of that was even unique, because usually courtrooms are always about the judge up in front. I thought the some of the way they shot some of the scenes were really unique and different uh from traditional.

SPEAKER_02 34:29

Yeah, and obviously DC being right in our backyard, obviously we feel like we know how it feels, but for this time period, it did feel like such a different city, which is so neat to see as well. You know, little things. We'll get into that with set design. Actually, I'll just do set design now. I gave it an eight. I thought it was really well done in like I was talking about with DC, little things like the payphones, right? Just pay phones being on every corner and them using them all the time to keep the sources anonymous, everything like that, them just running around the city saying, Hey, Library of Congress, uh, let's go figure out what books he checked out, and then they're just running down the street like to go get there. Um, so neat to kind of see how that worked from a journalist perspective, right? Um, to see back in the day, you know, there was no research you could just do on a laptop. You had to go find out for yourself, and uh, they did it for sure.

SPEAKER_00 35:18

Yeah, I gave the set design time. I thought it was really depicting the cluttered desk and the and the newsrooms, the chaos of figuring out what stories the newspapers are running. The parking garages again that I really like some of those scenes, and then they're going to talk to all this the folks they did uh from you know where they work to their homes in the talking in the hallway real quietly, even though no one was really, you know, they're almost like, oh my goodness, you know, every word has got to be watched what they're saying.

SPEAKER_02 35:53

So yeah, we like the way they set a lot of those scenes. Yeah, they definitely set it up like somebody was watching at all times, right? I mean, Watergate itself, they were worried that somebody was wiretapping uh the the Democratic uh you know headquarters. And so just ha having that idea play through of being like maybe somebody is listening at all times, and we need to be careful of that, even as journalists, right? Yeah. Dialogue, I gave it a 10. I thought this movie was heavily like grounded on the dialogue. I think this movie, if the dialogue is bad in this movie from the actors, I think this movie falls flat fast because you know the first 20 minutes, 30 minutes, they're really not finding much. They're really just trying to get an inch so they can take it a mile. And so that first 30 minutes, if you're not locked in with that movie as well, then you're gonna fall off and be like, I don't know what I'm watching here. But you are kind of intrigued to see like what is that thing that they're gonna find that's gonna take them to the next step. One of my favorite lines from this was uh when they were talking to Hugh Sloan and uh Bob Woodward is the one responding, Hugh Sloan said, I'm a Republican, and Bob Wood Woodward said, I am too. And it just kind of shows that, you know.

SPEAKER_00 37:09

Yeah, I really like the dialogue too. It seems like every person they talked to had a little piece of the puzzle. And so everybody they talked to, they had to keep okay, where does this fit into the puzzle? Even Deep Throw, who knew probably most, you know, across the spectrum of information, you know, follow the money, would give him these okay, here's a bigger piece. I'm not putting all the puzzle together for you. You gotta keep keep putting it together. So uh I thought each one of those dialogues helped, you know, at the very end, uh sort of put the picture together. Yeah, it did it did go high enough to wear the president and take accountability all of these.

SPEAKER_02 37:49

Yeah, it's kind of off topic, but I was reading uh letterbox reviews last night, and this guy gave it five stars. He's like, Yeah, there's a character named Deep Throat. It's just like I can't even make this stuff up. That's why I feel like you know it's such a good first hand account. Like, where do you even come up with something like that besides it just happening, right? For acting, I gave it a nine. I thought obviously really standout performances by Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman. I've kind of texted you earlier this week, um, and this is just me being young and naive. I was like, dude, I'm watching Redford in this movie, and I can't help but think of Brad Pitt. Obviously, reading about it afterwards, I realized that Brad Pitt influenced so much of his acting on uh Robert Redford. He's been very vocal about that, and it makes so much sense now. We kind of talked about just his mannerisms, just the way he kind of talks when he's on the phone. Like you kind of told me, uh, he kind of double takes at the camera sometimes. It was so neat to see that, especially me watching all kinds of Brad Pitt movies growing up, and then seeing like, oh, this is where that came from. It was neat to see it the other way around rather than, yeah, vice versa.

SPEAKER_00 38:55

Yeah, I thought the acting was uh spot on as well. Redford, I I'm a huge Roger Redford fan, so I always like his pace that he puts into the characters. These guys were getting ready on the verge of being fired, and they almost stumble into this huge monstrous story. But Hoffman, again, I don't shy away and not being a Hoffman fan, but you gotta give him credit. He did an outstanding job being energetic. Sort of that chaotic side of the relationship. I thought the give him your tape with Redford was really good. And then uh Jason Bond Bonards, I thought he did an outstanding job as well.

SPEAKER_02 39:34

So yeah, I really like the act. My favorite scene, probably just to bring this up with uh Hoffman and Redford, was when he finally got one of their leads to talk. Um, that girl he went into her house, and he he said he was just pounding coffee in there just to keep her like feeling safe and to keep keep him busy. Um, and then he got back to the apartment and he's just bouncing off the walls, he's throwing napkins out of his pocket pocket, he wrote on all kinds of stuff. Redford can't keep up because it's just going a thousand miles an hour. They're both excited because they finally got someone to talk. I thought that scene was so great, and it's probably so relieving as a journalist, you know, to finally get something you've been wanting so bad and working hard so hard to get, constantly getting rejected, and then you finally get it, and then you're also on eight cups of coffee. I imagine that's pretty exciting.

SPEAKER_00 40:25

And they kept going back and forth where uh Hoffman at one point would he thought he had something, and Redford were like, no, it's not enough. There'd be other scenes where Redford thought he had it, and it's like uh Hoffman would be throwing on you know cold the water on, like, no, no, no, we don't have enough yet, we don't have enough yet. So they kept going back and forth at that remote.

SPEAKER_02 40:45

Yeah. And it's good, right? It's not like a good cop, bad cop thing, but it's like a thing as a journalist. I guess you gotta really check each other all the time just to make sure, because you know, one of you misses something and then that's that's your ass. So getting into directing, I gave it a nine, um, directed by Alan J. Pakula. I think it definitely brought that moody uh journalistic approach to the story, showed a hundred percent the painstaking work that is journalism. It was so interesting to see a movie like this just really dive into the nitty-gritty and just every scene, like like we said, we're only seeing it from their perspective and kind of unraveling the story with them. So it was neat to see that, especially for me not knowing a ton of the details about Watergate. I know about Watergate, but not everything. So it was cool to see it unravel with them. None of it was previously spoiled for me, I guess you could say.

SPEAKER_00 41:36

Yeah, I gave a solid nine. I thought it was really well directed. I I thought I sort of phrased it as a slow burn, but I think they do that because that they wanted to show the mythology, you know, methodical way you have to go about putting together a story and make sure it's truthful. And everybody goes, you know, by the facts and not, you know, trying to conjecture or throw misinformation in there. So I thought they even though it was a slow burn, you'd be just you know, kept building and building and building. A lot of the action movies today be like, oh, that'd be done in 20 minutes, you know, where it's over a couple of hours. But I thought the uh director did a nice job of pacing that out and kept you, you know, okay, this is another bit of information. I'm sitting there trying to put the pieces of puzzle together myself.

SPEAKER_02 42:20

Yeah, I mean it definitely put you in the the journalist shoes. You were excited for their wins, sad for their losses, but also scared for their lives, um as if you were right there with them. So that was a really neat way of doing it. Getting into soundtrack, I gave it an eight as composed by uh David Shire. I thought it was a pretty good soundtrack. Uh definitely added a suspenseful score where it was needed, you know, nothing too crazy, not this, any crazy sound effects or anything like that, but it was there when it needed to be just to kind of heighten the tension for the viewer, which I thought was great.

SPEAKER_00 42:52

Yeah, I gave it a solid nine. I thought it was really done. Even walking in the in the garage as you hear the footsteps, uh, the typewriter was constantly you know, and there was room. Even the uh office atmosphere, there's a thousand people talking on phones, and you're trying to concentrate on your little piece of the puzzle. It's like they're talking to somebody on the phone, and all this office chaotic, like the sounds going off on school. I thought it was well it won't be done.

SPEAKER_02 43:19

Yeah, the one scene I will highlight was when Redford was sitting there on the phone, just kind of going back and forth with the different leads. They would hang up, they'd call him back, he'd be on the phone with another person. There's newsroom people are watching the TV in the background, cheering, screaming, all that kind of stuff. And it's just it was just chaotic to watch. And I thought that was so neat to see as well. The theme I gave it an eight, obviously, pretty big themes in this. Obviously, the role of free press and how important that is to America, but also the world in general, right? Being able to tell these stories that the people should have a right to hear, but also the dangers of political paranoia, right? We see hundreds and hundreds of leads being scared. For their lives, um, and not being able to talk about the fraud and the lying and cheating and stealing going on and the government that they work for, but also the Yeah, I gave a solid nine per theme.

SPEAKER_00 44:12

I really like the the underlying theme bite that's what that's best is there for, I think. Uh keep the power check because face or not, you know, people love that power and they'll do anything to keep it, to be honest. And my my sort of optic on it. Yeah. That's sort of the um uh even early on and where for you know, if I was going down to the courtroom, just these five guys break into the Democratic National Committee quarters. Thought you just go down and record something, you know, come back, but you could just tell from that very first, like, something isn't right. Like Colombian dudes, like for showing up and like what? Like something different lawyers, like what what what is going on? And so you could tell right off the bat something wasn't right.

SPEAKER_02 44:55

And then getting into editing, I gave it a 10 here. I thought this was masterfully edited, and like we said, that really slow burn of really putting the viewer in the perspective of the journalists. Um very intense newsroom scenes, very high stakes investigating. Uh, I think the scenes with uh um sorry, Woodward and uh Deep Throat were so interesting as well, super, super tough. And you know, Woodward kind of felt captured by Deep Throat, right? He was like, you know, always very respectful to him, but then finally at the end, he kind of just snapped on him and was like, no, like I need you to give me this information right now. I thought that was so great. And I think Deep Throat kind of gained respect for Woodward at that point in time. I thought that scene was edited really perfect, and you know, you don't have that scene without the buildup of their relationship as well. So yeah, I gave it a 10 there for sure.

SPEAKER_00 45:45

Yeah, I gave it a 10 as well. I I was trying to think of scenes that you know were wasteful or you know not needed. I can't think of one, just every little conversation, even if it didn't wasn't a formal piece of the puzzle, it was like, okay, well, if you check that box, that personally, you know, wasn't what we thought it was. So I thought pretty much every scene was a value add in that regard. It wasn't something like, oh, this is a waste of time. Why the heck are we talking to this person? This again goes back, you gotta talk to tons of people to put that story together.

SPEAKER_02 46:14

Yep, yep. And for my overall score, I gave this a 9.0 out of 10 or a 90, as Tyler would like to say. It's a five-star movie for me. I really enjoyed this a lot more than I thought I would. It was a real shocker for me, kind of coming into it not knowing what this movie was at all. But yeah, I really enjoyed this. I would honestly probably like to go re-watch this at some point soon just to see what other things I might have missed out on, if there was any other clues that kind of led me or misled me in any other direction. But I love this movie. I thought it was great all around.

SPEAKER_00 46:45

Yeah, I ended up giving a 92. Uh, I thought it was again, that's been probably over 30 years since I've watched the first time. I always thought, yeah, it was a good movie if you ask me. Uh but yeah, since I watched the yin, yeah. I forgot how how good this movie really is.

SPEAKER_02 47:03

It's really a great movie. Yeah, and just uh uh heads up, Tyler picked the movies this week, and there was a character named Pussy Gabor and a character named Deep Throat, so uh he might be trolling us from beyond the podcast. I don't know what's going on here, but uh very interesting uh character names this week. Yeah, so now we're gonna get into a espionage draft. I think this draft should be very interesting for us because, like we've talked about, so many different ways you can go about doing espionage, right? You can really lean on the the spy thriller side of it, or you can go heavy on this uh investigative side of it, which uh should be interesting to see here. So a little bit shorter of a draft this week, just because there isn't a ton of espionage movies out there. So our categories this week are going to be Oscar nominated, box office, over a hundred million, franchise lead. So in that category, you'd obviously pick not that hard to think of somebody like James Bond. Comedy would be the next category, and then wildcards, so just five categories here, and then after that, I'll get into what Tyler sent me as his top five espionage films. Um, I don't want to announce those before because I'm definitely use them in the draft, but so yeah. We will let me do a little name generator here. Should have had this prepared, sorry. Alright. Ty, you are going first. All right, and we're gonna do snake style. So you'll go, I'll get two picks, then you two picks, back and forth. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:35

I'm gonna start off with the Oscar nominations. Okay. Huge fan of this movie. Came out in 2012, won Best Picture, then Affleck. I thought put a monster job in the movie Argo. I thought it was a great you know, sort of uh agency where uh I retired from going out and rescuing some hostages. Just thought it was a really good uh probably more of a theater theater atric, you know, type movie, but I thought the way it was put together and the way it was stolen sold and really explained that story did an awesome job. And so I thought sometimes when I see the Oscar winners, I'm like uh I could see how they get there. This one I really like, yes, they got right.

SPEAKER_02 49:27

I've heard uh pretty amazing things about this movie and I've yet to see it, but definitely one I'd like to do on the podcast because of how good good of things I've heard about it. All right, let's see here. I think for my Oscar nominated, I'm gonna go and get this one out because I know you like this movie. I'm gonna take uh Zero Dark Dirty. Obviously, the film um kind of attacking the you know, going after Osama bin Laden. I think it was really well done. It's been a while since I've seen it, but um I just remember kind of being in awe about how well it was done, especially it was done pretty recently after the actual assassination of Osama bin Laden happened. So definitely interesting to see and being done that closely to it. We'll see if they ever make one later down the line, like a remake or anything like that. See what ideas they could put out there and what I uh uh information they couldn't put out there. So um, let's see. For my next one, I don't know where I want to go here. I guess I will take I think I'm gonna go ahead and do my wild card just because I don't see where it fits in. Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and take wild card, Captain America, the winner soldier.

SPEAKER_00 50:43

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:45

Definitely a different one, being that it's kind of in the superhero field. But um, you know, the espionage behind this is kind of the breaking down of Shield, right? Hydra Hydra info infiltrating shield and kind of where Captain America has to, you know, draw the line and decide who he trusts, who he doesn't trust, who's after him, who's who's trying to aid him. Um, and then obviously you have the introduction of Winter Soldier. I think this is probably my favorite Marvel Marvel movie to date. So well done. And yeah, I think the way they went about this compared to other Marvel films was uh super well done. Nice.

SPEAKER_00 51:22

Okay, I thought I'm gonna do uh boxed off with over a hundred million for me for next one. And I sort of alluded to this earlier when I was talking about Goldfinger about Daniel Craig uh resetting the I'll phrase it as resetting the 0007 franchise. Because after the uh Pierce Bronson's horrific uh series, uh when Casino Royale came out in 2006, my expectations were low. But there was so much buzz going on. This is the only movie I ever went to in the theaters twice. So I feel like I contributed to the 600 some million worldwide that it made because I went twice, and again, first and only movie I went to twice in the theater. This this is 007. And then I was like, like, not even a week later, I was like, I gotta go see it again. I was so shocked, like uh how well he did a job uh of playing 007 and that sort of resetting the whole 007 franchise. So over 100 million, I'm going casino rail.

SPEAKER_02 52:30

You'd see it twice. You'd think Daniel Craig would write you uh a letter if she said. Yeah, I I don't remember if I've seen this one. I know I've seen Skyfall, and I think I've seen Spectre too, but I'm trying to remember. I don't know. I gotta go back and watch the Daniel Craig once anyway, after this week. So all right, you got another pick here.

SPEAKER_00 52:50

Let's do franchise lead. I was going back and forth on this because I am a huge John James Bond and a uh Jack Ryan fan. I was trying to like what's my number one, so I'm gonna go ahead and tape the Bond as my number one franchise. Just because I think they're such a storybook. I'm excited to see where they go with the next chapter, but that's almost like the Bond series of you wait for this. What's the next chapter series gonna look like and be like?

SPEAKER_02 53:22

Yeah. All right, let me see. Let me see. I'm going to I'm gonna go ahead and take my box office over a hundred mil. I'm gonna take the movie Tenet, definitely kind of a different espionage film as well, especially seeing how much this has to do with uh time and and jumping through time with being Christopher Nolan. But I really like this movie. Definitely on the bottom half of Christopher Nolan movies, but I mean, when it's a Christopher Nolan movie, it's just different compared to everybody else. Um, and this is one of my favorite. I know a lot of people don't like this movie, but it's one of my favorite. It took me a couple watches to be like, oh, I understand what's going on. It's a lot of jumping and can be hard to keep up with, but definitely one of my favorites for sure. And then I think for franchise lead, I'll go ahead and just take a funny one here. I'll go ahead and take Austin Powers. Obviously hilarious and definitely making fun of all the espionage films. Uh, but it's so funny, so well done by Seth Myers. I just yeah, I I I love it. Sorry, not not not Seth Myers, Mike Mike Myers. Mike Myers, yeah, yeah. That's hilarious, and yeah, definitely probably should be hearing that name again here at the comedy section.

SPEAKER_00 54:44

All right, speaking of comedy, I'll go ahead and take my uh this is probably my corkiest espionage movie I've ever seen, but it I've seen it twice now just because it's so quirky and it's got a lot of my favorite stars in it. Burn after reading, uh, 2008. Brad Pitt, John Malkovich, George Clooney. I mean, just some rock star. It just is you can talk about stupidity in espionage world. Well, this movie is sort of takes that sort of slant to it of like you really get some dumb people involved in espionage. Brad Pitt just does a masterful job. Francis McCull McConnell McGillman. Um she did an awesome job. There's people everyday people think, oh, I think I'll just get in the espionage business here. Uh no. Dumb people should not be involved in espionage.

SPEAKER_02 55:35

I don't know how I've ever never heard of this movie, but damn, does this cast go deep too? Yeah. I mean, JK Simmons, Richard Jenkins, Sean Balkovich, Tilda Swinton, wow, yeah, it's going. You should this one out.

SPEAKER_00 55:50

You have to check it out. It's hilarious I it's probably more of a I was phrasing maybe a cult type thing than uh you know, a mainstream type Austin Powers. Yeah, it's like it's more of a culty type thing. If you're looking for Corky's little fun off the beaten path espionage movie, it's it's pretty funny, I bet.

SPEAKER_02 56:10

Yeah. Alright, let me see here. I think, yeah, for my wait, no, you have one more pick, right? Wildcard, yeah. Well, yeah. No, you're okay, you're okay. I just want to make sure I didn't take it out of order. Wildcard.

SPEAKER_00 56:23

So this one, um I don't think it really got boxed off this. Uh I don't I forgot to look up how much my I I don't remember it even coming out. I just remember a few years ago, like wow, how'd I miss this one? Uh but it has a whole litany of stars I like, Robert Redford, Sidney Portier, Dan Aykroyd, I mean River Phoenix, I mean just tons and tons of peepers. Uh came out in '92, Sneakers. One that I've watched ever since I came or stumbled across it. I can't remember when I first saw, but I've seen a few times now. Just one of those sort of tactical aspects of espionage, and all the stars came out to play for this one. James Earl, Jones, I mean just a whole litany of stars on this thing. Uh really good rock solid movie. Sorry, I missed it.

SPEAKER_02 57:14

What was the name of the movie? Sneakers. Sneakers, okay. Hmm. I've never heard of that one, but check it out too. Would you say it's more like the action one or like beyond action action? Okay, gotcha. I'll have to check that out. For my last one for the comedy section, I'm gonna have to take, just because we did Goldfinger this week, I'm gonna take Austin Powers and Goldmember. So funny. All his movies are so funny. Um, but yeah, just uh such an iconic role, too. Yeah. Just obviously making fun of all the espionage movies, but taking that kind of corny, cheesy thing like we were talking about earlier and just riding it all the way.

SPEAKER_00 57:54

And there's so many mainliners uh out there people you know using those some of the phrases out of the that series nonstop. You almost you can't I don't even think you can go a week without hearing someone saying some phrase out of some of those.

SPEAKER_02 58:10

Alright. Uh let's run through our teams real quick. For Oscar nominated, I have Zero Dark Dirty. For box office, over a hundred million. I have tenant for franchise. I have Austin Powers for Comedy. I have Austin Powers in uh Goldmember, and then wildcard, I have Captain America the winner soldier.

SPEAKER_00 58:28

All right, and for me, I have for Oscar nomination. Oh no, sorry, for uh over 100 million, Casino Royale, uh Oscar nomination, Argo, uh Franchise League, James Bond, my wildcard, oh sneakers, yes, and then comedy burn after reading. Cool, cool.

SPEAKER_02 58:50

Yeah, some uh just to bring up some honorable mentions that we I wouldn't say we missed out on, we just didn't pick. Um, obviously, we have the Mission Impossible franchise. I know Tyler's a big fan of that, as well as Jason Bourne, Kingsman. We didn't bring up anything of that. I know you had mentioned Jack Ryan as a big one, um, and even something like Despicable Me is definitely a spy uh kids movie, which is cool as well. Um, but yeah, Tyler sent me his top five espionage films, so we'll talk about those real quick. Starting off at number five, he has Munich. I haven't seen this one before. I don't know if you've seen it. I've read a little bit about it.

SPEAKER_00 59:29

No, I haven't seen that one either. I've uh heard about it, but I haven't sucked it out yet.

SPEAKER_02 59:33

Yeah. Um, number four, he had Argo, which obviously you picked, and I talked about me wanting to watch. I know that's a big one, and people say it's one of Ben Affleck's best films. Then number three, he has Mission Impossible Fallout. Um, again, I know he's a huge fan of that franchise and Tom Cruise in general. Um, but I think that's one of the newer Mission Impossible ones, if I'm not mistaken.

SPEAKER_00 59:56

Yeah, fan of the Mission Impossible series. Um if you talk about teamwork, that team is probably one of the tightest teams out there when I think of teamwork. The Mission Impossible is one of those movies I I would say go to because that team is incredible, some of the stuff they've done.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:15

Yeah. And obviously Tom Cruise just being on crack and doing every stun imaginable. Um, is a really neat thing you don't see every day. Yeah. His number two is Captain America, the winter soldier. Totally agree here. I think it's a really good espionage movie. Uh, kind of talked about it already. And then his number one, Zero Dark 30. Yeah. I think it's a lot of people's top espionage film. Might just be some recency bias, so we'll see how that ages and throughout the years. But yeah, pretty solid list by Tyler here. Yeah, that is. All right, so yeah, thanks for coming on, Ty. Definitely am gonna call on you a lot over these next couple months uh to help me out here on the show. Um, but it's always a pleasure having you on.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:58

No, appreciate it. Thanks for the invite. I know it fell sh well short of Tyler because he always comes in with some great insight and great uh thoughts on a lot of these movies. So just appreciate the opportunity.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:10

No, no. You're always great. You always come up with some great stuff, so thank you. And uh we'll see you next week. All right.