Have Lover Will Travel - Creating Bespoke Wedding Experiences with Guest Liz Norment

In this engaging interview with host and creator Shannon Bednarova, Liz Norment shares her journey from the world of a New York City wedding fashion house to wedding planning to opening her own bespoke wedding officiating and honeymoon travel planning service,  Her business, Have Lover, Will Travel, emphasizes the importance of truly one-of-a-kind, meaningful experiences in the wedding service and for the subsequent honeymoon. Discover insights on fairytale and exotic destination choices, personalized wedding ceremonies, and expanding into group travel, all aimed at creating unforgettable moments for couples and lovers of all ages, faiths and ethnicities around the world.

Have Lover, Will Travel | Wedding Officiating & Honeymoon Planning

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:30

Hello and welcome to A Lady Well Traveled. I'm your host and creator, Shannon Bednarova, and I'm so delighted that you've joined us today. For those of you who've never tuned into this podcast, we're all about transforming your travel experience into something much more enjoyable and stress-free. So today, I am so excited to introduce my guest, and her name is Liz Norman. Liz hails from Richmond, Virginia. She went to Virginia Tech and studied fashion there. Then she moved to the Big Apple, New York City. And she worked for a dress, a wedding dress designer, and obviously learned a great deal there. But she decided, because she's an entrepreneur and she's a really fabulous lady that she wanted a more meaningful relationship with brides and couples. And so she's taken all of her wonderful acumen and put it together into her own business to brides and couples who are getting married called uh Have Lover Will Travel. Isn't that an amazing name? I want to welcome you to our show. I'm so excited for you to be here today. What have I left out of that description that you want our audience to know?

SPEAKER_00 1:52

I think that you you definitely covered the foundation. I've been in New York now for 16 years, which is crazy. Yeah. I think that the concept of place is very important. And no matter how long I stay here, I will always be a Virginian. And people are always like, oh, you spend 10 years in New York, you're a New Yorker. I love it here. I will always be a Virginian.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

So I got it. And I think that's a wonderful thing. Uh, for those of you who are listening, when Liz and I met to talk about the podcast, we were just kind of reminiscing about all things Virginian. And today, Virginia is suffering from a lot of bad weather. And we anybody who knows Virginia knows if you hang around for very long, the weather will change hour by hour sometimes. Liz and I just hit it off, and I'm so excited that she's here today because we're just going to have a great time. Goodness gracious, travel is so important to people who are getting married because obviously destination weddings are huge now. Everybody's looking for the perfect venue for their wedding. They all want to go to that dream honeymoon destination. We're gonna dive into some neat stuff when we talk today. I love the name of your business, Have Lover Will Travel. And I just think that's such an absolutely sensuous name, and it immediately conjures up all kinds of exotic visions for me. Is that what you were hoping for when you chose that name, Liz?

SPEAKER_00 3:30

Yeah, it absolutely was. I whenever I got the idea for the business, so I was I was still working in fashion for the wedding dress designer, and I felt so confident about the idea, and I knew I just needed a name. Um it was a couple of weeks that I was just scratching notes, writing like every word that came to mind, all these different concepts. And then it finally hit me in um in a meeting that I I was supposed to be paying attention in. Um and and I just kind of put it together. And I I love the concept of really feeling like the world is made for lovers to explore hand in hand, right? And to have that moment where you are holding hands with your partner and experiencing awe in a destination is one of the most beautiful things that you can share because it's this wordless wonder that you get to experience. So I really just wanted to kind of capture that in the title and also to recognize that again, walking down the aisle, there are steps in your journey, but there are so many more steps beyond that as well.

SPEAKER_02 4:27

For our listeners, because you've told me the story and I think it's wonderful, tell us how you became inspired to start your business and then give us a little bit of a brief overview of your journey to get there. Sure.

SPEAKER_00 4:40

So, like I said, I was working in the wedding industry. Um in addition to doing um marketing for for the wedding dress designer, um, I was also on the weekends working as an assistant wedding planner. I just I love I love the industry. So I'm trying to learn as much as I could. And I really realized that ceremonies in particular were overlooked. Um, if there was a real story that was that was meaningful and inspirational as part of the wedding, I truly believe that that can make a difference for everything else that happens. It truly sets the tone for the event. And I've always been a writer. So I was like using using those skills to market to brides and to communicate to brides. I also really recognize that, again, the idea that it is the most important day of your life is really kind of like shoved down brides' throats, which is which is fine. It definitely sells wedding dresses. But I just I really believed in a little bit more of an empowering message. So my thought was to work with couples, really understand their connection, amplify that in the ceremony, and then make sure that they feel confident and excited to go expand that story and add pages to that story throughout the world. So it just for me, it it was a recognition that I could use my talent to provide a little bit more meaning in the wedding industry. Um, and then ideally just help help people explore and have the confidence to do so.

SPEAKER_02 6:06

I love that. And I think you're right. Weddings have become such a big industry that they've kind of lost their meaning. They've kind of become formulaic. And it's become almost like a Broadway production versus a personal journey for yourself and your fiance, and something that should be so intimate and personal. So I really love what you're doing.

SPEAKER_00 6:34

Yeah, I mean, it's it is wild the the amount of money that is spent. Gosh, when trends allow a little bit more meaning to be added in there is something that that means a lot to me.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

Absolutely. And I think it's a wonderful thing. And when trying to get more of a feel for what you're doing, when we met to discuss planning our podcast, I asked if you were an officiant or a minister who could perform wedding ceremonies. Will you elucidate on that for our audience today?

SPEAKER_00 7:06

Sure. So I'm ordained for through the Universal Life Church. Okay. So which is non-denominational, but I do religious ceremonies. I, you know, do a lot of different like combining of cultures, um, as we kind of mentioned. Whereas I'm not um, you know, I'm not a priest, certainly, or a rabbi, for example. There are certain things, certain restrictions there, but I love incorporating any sort of religious or cultural aspects into my ceremony. And then obviously I am also legally allowed to sign the marriage license and do that aspect of it.

SPEAKER_02 7:40

Okay, cool. I was, of course, reading your website, which is beautiful, by the way. And I want to encourage everybody to go to this website after the podcast, obviously, and check it out. It just looks like you do so many things. Made a list of what I thought you did. You can correct me because I'm gonna go through this list of all your services, and then you can say, No, I really don't do that. So, travel planner for wedding, honeymoon, and beyond. And it almost looks like you're a fashion consultant for wedding dress attendance and trousseau, but maybe that's you know not true. Maybe you just because of your fashion background, I thought that's probably what she does, but maybe she doesn't necessarily say, Oh, Shannon, I'm gonna help you pick out your dress, but you know, that that's ugly. You could tell us that later. Then obviously being efficient and minister, then wedding counselor and couples therapist, because we talked a little bit about that, and I'm gonna let you go into more detail, and life coach. So is is that kind of putting it together in a nutshell, or is that wrong?

SPEAKER_00 8:55

So, for the most part, you're you're right on the money. Okay. In terms of like a like a wedding dress or fashion um kind of consultant, um, I don't exactly do that. However, I am a champion bustler. Okay, bustle. Master bustler. Okay. And in in terms of the the therapist slash life coach, but what I will say is that I have a lot of clients that have told me that my process feels like a relationship wellness experience. I do a lot of research on relationship wellness because I find it absolutely fascinating. So that is incorporated into my approach. Okay. If couples are working with me, they usually are not getting married in the church, meaning that they don't have that often required religious kind of counseling before the wedding. Through the process of allowing them time to pause and really talk about and and work, work through and remember why they admire each other, why they're connected, thinking about, you know, how their partner has added to their own personal growth, all these all these different elements that just leading up to the wedding let them think through and talk through with somebody who is is certainly well researched on that. Okay. Is uh is definitely part of what I do.

SPEAKER_02 10:11

Okay. Well, do you get into things like finances or discussions on children, no children, how are you gonna raise the kids? All that okay. All right, but you're trying to get them to think about those things and discuss those things.

SPEAKER_00 10:27

Yeah, I'd encourage that type of communication for sure. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 10:30

All right, I got it. Now, do you work with only younger couples, or do you work with couples of all ages, all faiths, all ethnicities? Or are there any people that you don't feel comfortable working with?

SPEAKER_00 10:45

Sure. I know I work with all ages, all faiths, all genders, all it's certainly I have had such an amazingly diverse portfolio of clients. I will I will say that probably most of my clients are in their late 20s, early 30s. Okay. Um, however, my work with older clients, it's it's just so meaningful to me because a lot of wisdom comes with not only age, but often whenever it's a second marriage. People are not getting married because they feel like they need to do that based on the timeline or they they want to have children or whatever. Any additional societal pressures, they truly are just choosing a partner.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

Right.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

And so just the the types of responses I get through my process with those clients is is very, very different. But yeah, I've I've been able to hear so many amazing stories and therefore write so many amazing stories thanks thanks to this diverse portfolio.

SPEAKER_02 11:39

Okay, well, that's cool. All right, so let's say I was planning a wedding for myself and I wanted to hire you as my wedding officiant. Please walk me through that process so that our audience can learn how that would flow. Great. I think that anyone who has ever planned a wedding or has researched it knows there's a lot to that. Please provide timelines if you can. Like, what would you say you're gonna tell me to do a year ahead, six months ahead? Walk us through that process.

SPEAKER_00 12:13

Sure. In terms of wedding officiating, I get hired at so many different times during the planning process, right? Okay. I would say couples usually hire me about six months out, but I certainly have some that hire me a year and a half, some that hire me a week before. Um because either something fell through the cracks or sometimes they just forget that it is something that they needed. Yeah. So, but if it's on average like that six month mark, what we would do first is I just kick off the process with you and your partner. I send you guys a um very intricate list of questions based on um our initial conversation, getting to know each other, so that I can curate those to your relationship and your story. I set a deadline for that that usually is about eight to 12 weeks before the wedding. And that's only if the couple also agrees with that timeline. And the reason being leading up to the wedding, there there could be a million different things that you guys experience together. Maybe there's some planned travel. Maybe there's been something where you really had to lean on your partner. I like to just get as much of those details as I can. Each partner fills out that questionnaire and then I will meet with each partner individually to gain more insight. At this point, since I've been doing this for a while, I can tell if there is kind of like a little gem of information there that maybe you didn't expand upon. I would just meet with you and get you talking just to see what else we can kind of like dig in there. Um, and once I get all that additional information, then I start to weave everything together. And I I think that one of my favorite parts about that process is really recognizing how easily it could have not happened that you connected, right? You know, depending on how you and your partner met. Like maybe you decided not to go to that college, or maybe you didn't take that job, or maybe whenever your friend invited you to go out one Friday night, you're just like, meh, I'm gonna stay inside. Yeah. Or even if all those things happen and somebody approaches you, who knows if you're even in the right mindset to be accepting of that? There's so many different things that could have prevented people from connecting. I really love digging into that and then allowing the story to evolve from a place that is very inspiring.

SPEAKER_02 14:24

Obviously, you charge for your services. So do you have, for example, an a la carte menu, bundled packages, or do you have custom pricing? Can you talk about that?

SPEAKER_00 14:35

Sure. So I do have pricing per package, depending on those packages, they're usually pretty standard, but it it's all depending on what the couple needs. Yeah. Um for officiating, everything is based on the amount of writing involved. For like the the full intricate process, which is what I was just describing. That is most often what couples what couples choose. Um, and then it kind of like goes down from there. And in terms of honeymoon planning, I will bundle both of those together. Okay. As well as I do some day of wedding coordination or it's it's or month of actually. And I also will bundle that together. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

Cool. All right, great. So do you also work with couples on a budget as well as people who have means for like that bespoke wedding experience?

SPEAKER_00 15:25

Yes. In order for a couple to choose me, they have already decided to put a value on what I do. Okay. And what I love about that is that I'm not a luxury service. Um, and also if somebody has a huge, huge, huge budget, they still may or may not value what I do. I have done weddings where I've done a ton of elopements where it's just me and the couple and not even a photographer. And they still will choose my bit, my largest package because they want that story. The story itself is a gift to them. So it really just it depends on if people are are seeking that. And yeah, which again, it it makes it makes it really enjoyable because I just have such a different range of people that I've worked with.

SPEAKER_02 16:05

Okay. You and I both enjoy traveling very much, and we wanted to share that with others through our businesses. Let's focus now on the travel aspect of the wedding and the honeymoon, obviously. How do you offer assistance to brides and couples in choosing wedding venues or destinations for their weddings, as well as honeymoon destinations? Do you ask them a bunch of questions ahead of time? Give them a personality evaluation. How do you find out exactly what they like? Or are you just saying, hmm, I'm gonna meet with them and then I'm gonna make some recommendations for this? Because that's a pretty big recommendation for a momentous occasion. How would you make that recommendation for me if I was coming to you for like, hey, where should I hold my wedding? Where should I go on my honeymoon? What would you do for me?

SPEAKER_00 17:01

Sure. So so I will say most often it's my involvement would be more towards the honeymoon. Usually like the destination wedding, like that, that the actual event is more kind of towards a wedding planning side. Okay. But what I will say in terms of planning honeymoons is that it was very risky in terms of it, it's it's basically you take a wedd a wedding planner's role where it's usually one day, maybe a day and a half. Okay. And that person is there on site and they are certainly in charge of every single thing that can happen, will happen, you know, and and trying to keep on that schedule so that the desired, you know, joy is experienced. From a honeymoon planner perspective, it is the same thing, except it is a two-week-long process and I am not there. So it's I say that it's risky because I have to understand my clients so well. This is just a fact, and we all do it. We all like to think that we are more adventurous than we actually are. Um, and it's okay. But whenever it comes down to it, we are all human beings, we are all creatures of comfort, and the unknown is scary. So meeting them in between to understand what is it that you actually will feel whenever you're in these destinations? What is that you want to experience? And who are you at your core as a human and as a traveler? And how do I match a destination and experience to that? I have to be so, so good at understanding and reading people. Um, and also really, really good at understanding destinations, partnering with hotels and having them understand that they are going to be my boots on the ground whenever the couple is there. Um, really just leaving no stone unturned. I say it's risky, but I have such confidence and and thankfully in the way that I've built this process and working with people that I absolutely love. Just expanding people's understanding of thinking outside the norm. I think that whenever people choose to do, like an all-inclusive resort, I 100% understand why that is appealing. But we can working with a planner allows you to have that like the ease of being decision-free. However, you are not enclosed on one property, right? With like three restaurants. And because I'm gonna do all that for you. I'm gonna have dinner reservations every night. I'm gonna have planned X, you know, experiences that you're gonna do, and everything will be taken care of. So it's freedom like that decision-free experience, but the entire world is open instead of just one property.

SPEAKER_02 19:21

Okay, I got it. That was a long-winded answer. I'm so sorry. Well, no, that's absolutely what I wanted to hear. So, do you have favorite places around the world that you tend to recommend over and over for honeymoons? Or do you research different locales for different clients depending upon their personalities, their needs, their requests? You were laughing because you said people are not as adventuresome as they say. I'm a scuba diver, I jump out of planes. I mean, bungee jumped in New Zealand and jumped off bridges. I do a lot of things. But then I also absolutely love comfort. Right. Very nice accommodations and things like that. If I came to you and I told you all of that, what would you say? Oh my goodness. I don't know if I've got any place like that. Or maybe you would. So do you have those favorite places that you go to time and time again? Or do you kind of do that research?

SPEAKER_00 20:22

Tell us about that. Sure. I I'm constantly doing research. I can't say that I have favorite destinations because it really, really depends on what the couple wants and what the client wants. I will say that I am a certified Italian honeymoon expert.

SPEAKER_02 20:37

Oh, yeah. Simply because that is Italian weddings and honeymoons. Yeah, that is usually where people want to go.

SPEAKER_00 20:42

And I am very, I'm thankfully very well traveled in all of Italy. So it makes that that, you know, planning in that way just a lot more enjoyable because I can say, like, this is something that nobody knows about that you couldn't have found unless you accidentally got lost on a road trip. Spoken from true experience, of course. So um, that is definitely a destination that is a focal point. But even within that, um, having people understand how their budget will work, you know, the Amalfi Coast in July is your budget is you maybe can afford three nights in a hotel.

SPEAKER_02 21:15

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 21:16

Yeah. It's crazy. So helping them also understand within what they want, um, what is actually feasible and then therefore what's going to be enjoyable. So beyond that, um, I definitely have been sending a lot of clients to like doing like a Bali and Japan combination that has been really hot recently. Um, and you know, in terms of like, I don't know, like beach-centric locations, you know, beyond the Caribbean, like like a St. Thomas or a St. Martin, um, honestly, Hawaii is is is a place that people are focusing on a lot more just because it combines such like the this element of like of wildness, of luxury, absolutely stunning beaches while still being able to kind of like engage with with nature and with the terroir.

SPEAKER_02 21:58

I've been to a lot of different countries. And I have some gorgeous places. Of course, everywhere I go, I'm always like, oh, I could get married here, or I have my honeymoon here. I wanted to recommend a few places for your thought as well as for our listeners. And then you can tell me what you think. For a wedding, obviously, Siena Cathedral, the Duomo di Siena in Siena, Italy, which is, I think, one of the most beautiful cathedrals I've ever been in. And then for the reception and the lodging, the La Certosa di Magiano in Siena, which is, I don't know if you've ever been there, but it's uh an old abbey monastery that was turned into a hotel and a beautiful, beautiful restaurant. And it's like going into a fairy tale. It's just really, really neat. So I yeah, I've been to Sienna, but I have I somehow I've missed that hotel, so I will put that on my it's outside of the city, it's not in Sienna proper. The walls are like 12 feet thick, it's just insane. And they sat us for our dinner in this room, which was like this library, and it had this hidden panel in the wall where you got your own bathroom and everything. It was just the neatest place, just so cool. And the food was amazing and just really a wonderful experience. So if anybody is looking for something that's completely out of the ordinary for a honeymoon or a reception, uh, I think that's a just fabulous place. Then also Blenheim Palace in England and Oxfordshire and the Cotswolds. Just absolutely gorgeous for a wedding and a reception. You can't do your honeymoon there, but something that's really beautiful. And the Cotswolds are beautiful to uh visit and stay in. If you're one of those people who's a history buff like I am, you probably enjoy that. And then Lutrellstown Castle in Kellystown, Dublin, Ireland. That's absolutely gorgeous for any of you who are fans of the Beckhams. That's where they got married. Um, and then one of my absolute favorites is the Caesar Augustus Hotel and Resort in Anna Capri, Italy. For those of you who have been to Capri, this is right up the mountain. Just go straight up, don't stop in Capri. I don't like Capri, just the main port, but when you go up the mountain to Anna Capri, that's where I think it gets so beautiful. And this hotel and resort, you could get married there, honeymoon there, stay there for the rest of your life, and never be perfect. Golly. Then Lizard Island Resort, which is off the coast of Queensland. So you take a little puddle jumper plane over to the island, and it's uh a desert island in Australia off the coast of Queensland. But that is a wonderful place. It's very, very private. Very few people are there. Three Michelin Key Resort, fabulous food, fabulous scuba diving right on the Great Barrier Reef for those of you who like to scuba dive, and gorgeous water, pool, spa, everything you could possibly want. So if you and your lover are interested in scuba diving and water sports and great cuisine, but you don't want to be around a bunch of people, that's a really great place to go. Take my word for it. The Villa Cortina Palace in Sirmione, Italy. I don't know if you're a fan of Lake of Garda or not, but I love the Lake of Garda. I also love the Bormayan Islands. I'm not a huge fan of Lake Como because I think it's too many Americans there. We're on the same loses its Italian flavor very quickly. That's an absolutely Sirmione is one of the beautiful lakeside towns on the Lake of Garda, and that's an absolutely gorgeous resort there. Bruges, Belgium is one of my favorite places in uh the world, and what a fairy tale place that is. Um, if you're a history lover, Bruges is just stunningly beautiful, and the Duke's Palace is a place I would recommend. Also, for Virginia Girl, the Inn at Little Washington is one of my personal favorites. Uh, beautiful for a wedding and a reception and a honeymoon because how can you go wrong? Just absolutely fantastic experience. Unfortunately, this year they lost one of their Michelin stars or only a two-star Michelin resort this year, but hopefully they'll make that change and uh get their third star back. And then I'm put down, obviously on my list, the robust rare safaris in Africa. I'm getting ready to do that um this summer for the first time, but I'm just absolutely enchanted with the idea of taking a train through Africa and doing safari with someone that you love. And the trains are done in old English Victorian style, plush woodwork, plush velvets, you dress for dinner, everything is is just gorgeous. The library car, the smoking car, I just all of that. You have no internet, you have no television. You are there to relax and live in the past, so to speak. So I and you can travel a few different routes, but um, I'm doing the one that goes through South Africa, Eswatini, Mozambique, and uh Zimbabwe. I think that would be a fabulous, fabulous honeymoon for somebody. So don't know what you think about any of those suggestions, but yeah, something I wanted to share.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

Yeah, I mean you gave you gave a great list there. And I I think that um it's really wonderful that whenever you travel thinking in that direction, being like, you know what? It could be really amazing to have a wedding that here. I'm always thinking about that. And I'm like, okay, this is where we would put the ceremony, this is where the aisle would be. Everybody could just be around here. Yeah, yeah. I love it. Yeah. Two venues, and um, these are slightly I don't want to say obscure, but no, I love that. Really, really amazing venues that I worked at that are were very like perfect for each of the couples. One was truly right in the Lunke rainforest, or like right along the edge. Technically um in Puerto Rico, and the the venue is called Hacienda Siesta Alegre. And it is just this, it is a mystical type of venue with multiple um multiple structures. Most of them are open air, and it is just like truly transports you to another world, just like a lush greenery, a lot of lizards.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 28:39

And um it was just one of the most stunning properties I've I've ever I've ever worked at. And there's another one called, and this one is in Cartagena, Colombia, called, I believe it's just called Casa 1537. This building is was one of their residents' homes built in 1537. And whenever the entire city burnt, that was the only structure that did not burn down. So over the years it's been a lot of different things, and now they made it into a venue. The amount of like history in feeling in that space is um is really, really unbelievable. I love just again, venues that feel like part of the story. And uh it makes it makes my job really exciting too, because I like to refer to the settings so that guests understand where they are in this moment, you know. This is this is what you the walls that you are within. This is the feeling that that we are here to celebrate. So um, so yeah, I love I love thinking about stuff like that. Me too.

SPEAKER_02 29:33

It's so much fun. I well, thank you for sharing those. And yeah, I hope our listeners are taking notes, but I'm gonna put a lot of the references in the notes so they can pull those up. So I noticed on your website that you are hosting a wine tour in Spain. That doesn't have anything to do about weddings. Tell me, are you branching out into another area? Tell all, tell all what's the tea.

SPEAKER_00 29:58

Yes. I am I'm expanding in group travel and in doing so, partnering with businesses that have connections to destinations, right? Okay. So I'm partnering with Barrel Thief Wine Shop in Richmond, Virginia.

SPEAKER_02 30:13

Excellent.

SPEAKER_00 30:14

And basically working with Booth, the owner, who designated a couple of wine regions in Spain that he really feels like number one, people are very receptive to, and um, that the wines just are a little bit more interesting, have human characteristics, et cetera, and certainly have a really nice cultural tie. The idea is basically to take his community that is based in Richmond, Virginia, and to expand that connection and that story abroad. We are going to be visiting 10 wineries. We're staying in two different luxury properties. One is going to be in the La Rioja, and then the other is going to be in San Sebastian. And I have so many amazing planned experiences for people just to really be engaged in the culture in addition to the wineries. We're doing like a chef-led market tour and cooking class. Um we're doing a tapas or pinchos tour in San Sebastian, you know, a lot of like walking city tours, et cetera. So it's going to be a really fun journey.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

It sounds that way. It sounds amazing.

SPEAKER_00 31:14

Yeah. Um, and and again, like it's just nice because these people are able to experience this place. They're all we're also going to have some free time so that people are in a group trip, but also are able to discover a place the way that they normally would as well. So it's not going to be like every minute of the day planned. And I'm working with each traveler as well to uh to build on those experiences. They get to also choose a few other things that they want to do as part of the programming. If you're really into hiking and mountain biking, or if you want to spend four to five hours at the spa, we have uh space for that in this experience and it's included with the package. It's been really fun to partner with a business that says, okay, my community is really interested in these types of wines. Let's go there. Let's actually experience where they're made, how they're made, and even the why behind it by really engaging with the culture in that region. We do have two spots left on that trip. And I, if anyone is interested, I would love to chat with you about filling those seats.

SPEAKER_02 32:14

Excellent. So any of our listeners that might want to talk to Liz about that, you can obviously go to her website and learn more about the trip. And thank you for talking about that. Now, are you gonna offer these kinds of trips more frequently? Yes.

SPEAKER_00 32:31

Yes. So I am in conversation with a couple of business owners up here, and I don't want to I'll hint at the destinations. You can hint. One is going to be in Sardinia, Italy. Okay. Wonderful. And the other is gonna be in Oaxaca, Mexico. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 32:47

How fun. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:48

So it's it's been really exciting to again just like add to the story of these businesses who have a really, really great cultural connection and just kind of put some beats on the ground there. So very nice.

SPEAKER_02 32:59

Well, keep us posted on all of that. Are there any other areas about your services, your story, anything that's coming up that you want to cover before we get you to tell us about all of your different ways to contact you?

SPEAKER_00 33:14

I think, I think that we covered everything. Um, this has been such an amazing uh conversation. So thank you.

SPEAKER_02 33:21

Well, as I said, before we close, tell our listeners all the ways they can contact you, your website, your social media, everything they need to know about have lover will travel. So it's all yours. Sure.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

So my website is www.have loverwiltravel.com. Um my Instagram handle is at have lover will travel, all one word. Um yeah, and you can send emails directly through my website. So um those are that should cover every way that you need to contact me.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

So fantastic. And it's been a delight. I hope you're gonna come back and visit with us again soon and tell us about the next wonderful thing that you're doing. Maybe you can come on and tell us how the Spain trip went, or you can come on and talk about your next trip when you're uh ready to launch. And so our listeners maybe can get on the in on that when you're when you're ready to go. And so I just appreciate it. Thank you so much. Shannon, thank you. This was just so lovely, and I'm I'm very thankful that we're we've connected. I am too so much. Well, it's been such a delight, and I hope you've enjoyed this time with Liz Norman and learning about all the different things that she does and her amazing website and business, have lover will travel. So I just want to remind you that you can reach out and contact me anytime at Shannon at a ladywell traveled.com. That's Shannon at a lady well traveled that's traveled with two L's. And please refer me to your friends and family. I'm on all your favorite streaming platforms, so I'd love to hear from you. And before I sign off, as always, I'd love to remind you that God created this big, beautiful world just for you. And all you need to do is get out there and see it. And so until we meet again, bye-bye.