Cool As Ice (The One Where Vanilla Ice Stalks a High Schooler)

This week on The Worst Movie Podcast, Ade and Aaron tackle Cool as Ice (1991), the Vanilla Ice vanity project that scored a 3% on Rotten Tomatoes and earned back just $1.2 million of its $6 million budget. The movie is a plotless fever dream where a 24-year-old rapper jumps a motorcycle over a fence to impress a high schooler, breaks into her bedroom to drip ice on her face, and somehow also foils a witness protection kidnapping subplot that nobody asked for. Fun fact: the cinematographer went on to win Oscars for Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan. Everyone has a blip on their resume.

The grossest sandwich ever shown on film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqFuqAg1c9k

Jim Carrey as Vanilla Ice on In Living Color: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdtKBe7sM48

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, what's up? My God. Welcome to the worst movie podcast. I'm your boy, Ade.

SPEAKER_01 0:08

I'm Aaron. And this is a podcast where we watch the worst movies ever made in the hopes of finding a hidden gem.

SPEAKER_00 0:16

Enjoy. So, what have you been watching lately?

SPEAKER_01 0:36

I just gotta say that was that was tight. I think that's what vanilla ice would say. Uh I just watched Blackberry, the Oh yeah. Glenn Howarton. I hadn't seen that before.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

What'd you think? I thought it was good. I thought Glenn Howarton was he was such a good character, but I was like, he's the perfect casting for this guy that's just full of rage.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

Yeah. Yeah, he he definitely brought that Dennis energy to the part.

SPEAKER_01 1:06

Yeah. It was I liked it. I I didn't know the BlackBerry story really before this. And I I don't know how close it is to truth, but yeah, they took some liberties, I think.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Uh then how did neither one of them go to prison? I don't remember the details of the story. Uh I remember I mean it came out a couple of years ago, and then I spent a bunch of time on Wikipedia trying to decipher the real story. Um but yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

I I also was like confused in the movie I because I was kind of uh I was doing the thing I mo like piss and moan about of not paying attention to the plot sometimes. But uh I kind of missed when they started doing illegal shit. And I'm like, wait, why is the SEC after them? Like I didn't ri remind me what exactly they did that was illegal in the movie. It was something about um, you know, uh the way they were valuing their stocks or something. They were and they were hiring people based on stock values that weren't re were inflated or something.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

And I don't remember. Yeah, I don't remember enough the details, but I think it's probably the answer is maybe a combination of two things. Um one is it was I think before a lot of the what what what was that act?

unknown 2:22

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

I get into the weeds, but um a lot of the reforms around public companies that happened after the uh dot com bubble and stuff. Um so it may have been in this gray area, and then probably the reality is a lot of white collar crime doesn't end with people in prison. Yeah, probably more more that. Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 2:44

So it was good though. I liked it. I thought it was an interesting uh was it you s you watched it though, right?

SPEAKER_00 2:49

Yeah, I yeah, I saw it in in theaters when it came out. Um that's a biopic. I enjoyed it. Uh well, I think for what I'm as you know, I'm a huge Always Sunny fan. And I think Glenn Howerton's uh draw and involvement um really pulled me in. That was also when they were still doing the podcast, the Always Sunny podcast, and he was talking about it a lot. Yeah. Um, and so I think I think the promo from that podcast also like got me excited for it. Also, this is a little their podcast. Yeah, I do too. I my biopic rule maybe bends a little bit when it's like uh company stuff or people that I don't really like people that aren't like famous.

SPEAKER_01 3:33

Like I just know HR involved, you'll be there. Yeah, I'm there. HR movies. Yeah, I mean it is more of like a historical retelling of like events and not so much like here's these people's lives. Right.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

Yeah, like I I love the big short and you know, like that type of movie is a great movie. Yeah, that's based on a true story, but uh you wouldn't call that a biopic. I wouldn't call bat Blackberry a Blackberry movie a biopic either. Yeah. Like the big short they they get into into Michael Berry, uh, I think is his name, the that um Christian Bale plays. A little bit of like I think he's maybe the one person that they talk the most about his life, but uh it's not like here he is from childhood and yada yada, you know.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

Yeah, it felt like the Steve Jobs biopic, both of the biopics, though, to me. I mean, I guess that's one single person, but yeah, I didn't watch either Steve Jobs.

SPEAKER_00 4:28

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 4:28

I think it's controversial, but I liked Ashton Kutcher's performance better than I liked Michael Fossbender's. And I liked the movie overall better than the I don't know what it was. I I couldn't look at Michael Fossbender and be like, yep, that's Steve Jobs. Like I couldn't uh yeah suspend my disbelief.

SPEAKER_00 4:47

I thought you didn't like Ashton Kutcher. We talked about him a little bit during the New Year's Eve movie, and you were like, you couldn't stand him. I think generally that's true. But like in the one role that he was like that received the most criticism for, you liked him.

SPEAKER_01 5:05

Yeah, did he receive the most criticism for like was that band? I know that people didn't like that one compared to the Fossbender one, and the Fossbender one was also uh Aaron Storkin, wasn't it? So it had like big names behind it, and then the Ashton Kutcher one was built a little smaller production.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

So I may be exaggerating. I don't I don't remember. I I feel like I feel like it was criticized a lot, maybe just because of the comparison to the other one.

SPEAKER_01 5:32

Yeah, that's what I think too. Yeah. But out of the two, I liked the Ashton Kutcher one a little better.

SPEAKER_00 5:38

I'm guessing side by side, more people would prefer the Steve Jobs movie, his performance in that versus like, dude, where's my car or something?

SPEAKER_01 5:47

So yeah. I mean, I thought he was funny on that 70s show, but yeah, that was uh ages ago.

SPEAKER_00 5:54

Is he acting still?

SPEAKER_01 5:55

Like I haven't seen him.

SPEAKER_00 5:57

I well, he was in a uh show on Netflix, like a sitcom for a long time. The one The Ranch? Yes.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

And the Masterson fella. Right. His brother, though, right? The other Masterson that looks exactly like him. Uh yeah, I don't know. I've never seen The Ranch.

SPEAKER_00 6:16

Uh, but yeah, I I'm I I watched like the first season of it. Uh the more questions the more questions you ask, the less confident I am in the answers. We could easily look this up. But uh yeah, the ranch. Uh that's I We don't deal in facts here. Loose facts, facts that sound correct. Yeah. I I miss I miss the 90s. Facts, if you will. Yeah. I miss the 90s when you could just say facts and nobody could fact check you easily. You had to go to the library.

SPEAKER_01 6:46

Yeah, you just had to trust them until you looked it up in an encyclopedia.

SPEAKER_00 6:50

Yeah. Anyway, yeah, I don't know if he's been in stuff lately. I know he's really active in the tech world, so he's been a venture capitalist for a while.

SPEAKER_01 6:59

Really? Yes. Didn't know that. I knew he was doing something with human trafficking. Not trafficking. I think he was trying to stop human trafficking.

SPEAKER_00 7:09

Wow, we're gonna get sued. Yes, he's trying to stop human trafficking. That does sound familiar. Yeah. Anyway. That's what I watched. Yeah. What what have you watched? I watched Project Hail Mary opening weekend in theaters. Yes. I want to know how it was. Yes. I'm a little biased because I read the the book and was a big fan of the book. Uh, but I thought I couldn't have asked for anything better from an adaptation. And it's just like probably can't ask for anything better in terms of just your like blockbuster movie-going experience. It's a lot of fun to watch. Like, definitely try to watch it in theaters. It's funny, it's heartwarming, it's emotional, it's stunning visually, the score is great. Gosling is nice, charming as ever, and a pleasure to watch. He really has to carry a lot in that movie because it's mostly just him on screen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:06

Um, I pretty much like everything he's in.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

Yeah. Probably the only complaint is it's a little long and probably feels um it feels like there are several points where it's like, oh, the movie's over, and then they introduce something new and it like restarts. But did the book feel that way? Well, it's just a different, I mean, you you don't sit down and read, or at least I don't sit down and read a novel in one sitting, so it never really feels like but I I can kind of see that. Like the story does extend a few times because without getting I I'm yeah, I'm not gonna spoil the plot or anything like that, but um, it makes sense in terms of the logic of the story and why it goes where it goes. But um, and and it it really it really follows the novel pretty closely. Uh they they obviously like cut some things out, but nothing that I felt like was like, oh man, I really missed that from the novel, or like small changes to bring it to the screen, but it was all like great in terms of an ad adaptation.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

This is the same author that wrote The Martian? Right, Andy Weir. Yeah, I felt like the even the Martian had several like almost all stops in it too, where you're like, okay, he's definitely gonna get rescued here. Right. And it doesn't work out. And then something else goes wrong.

SPEAKER_00 9:22

And yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's like that. Uh I I thought that the I actually thought the novel probably I I loved it a lot, uh, but it drug out a little bit in the middle because there's just a lot of like science-y stuff that it gets into a lot more detail in the novel and it tries to explain how he figures this thing out or that thing and solves the charm of the Andy Weir.

SPEAKER_01 9:46

Yeah, like yeah, that's part of it.

SPEAKER_00 9:49

Yeah, but sometimes like my eyes just kind of glaze over and I mean, especially I usually read at night before I go to bed. So uh I'm just like two.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

You've got to learn how the oxygenator works.

SPEAKER_00 9:59

Right. And like I I'm like two pages in and like realize like I've been thinking about something completely different as I'm just like looking at the letters.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

I struggle with that a lot. I'll read like whole pages and be like, I didn't absorb any of that. I gotta go back.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

But anyway, I I feel like I've been spending a lot of time talking about the negatives, but it it's a great movie. Highly encourage uh you to watch in the theaters. I think it's uh probably optimal experience.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

Worth going for. I did see that he said something uh about how it's not our job as moviegoers to keep theaters open. It's their job as actors to give us uh films worth seeing in the theater.

SPEAKER_00 10:38

So I didn't see that. That's a great I agree, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

Yeah and this is definitely one that I mean uh kind of the same approach that Tom Cruise has of like make good movies that are worth going to see and people will. Right. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

Yeah, this is I mean, yeah, this is that's definitely it. It's a it's a blockbuster, crowd pleaser, broad, you know, um movie that I think I think most people will enjoy something from it.

SPEAKER_01 11:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

Is it fun? Oh yeah, it's a lot of fun. There's a lot of laugh laugh out loud moments and thrills and yeah. And it doesn't feel dumbed down to me. It's not like I don't know. I mean, not to not to disparage other movies. I guess the that's the whole point of this podcast, but uh what we do. Yeah, I I feel like some blockbusters that I've seen lately in theaters, I you know, pick several superhero movies from the the last few years or whatever. It's like it's kind of dumbed down and repetitive and like pretty cliched. And like this, you know, it's like uh it's I'm not gonna pretend like this is Schindler's List or you know, whatever, like it's super deep or anything like that. But yeah, um yeah, yeah, it's great. Well, speaking of Schindler's List, uh they get worse every time. New month, new theme. Uh this month we're covering pop star flops, and our pop star today is my boy Vanilla Ice. How many times can I make that joke? Uh and we're gonna cover the movie Cool as Ice from 1991, uh directed by David Kellogg. Seems like most of his career was directing music videos before and after this, um, and it kind of shows. Yeah. Did you see who the cinematographer was on this movie? No. My segue was apt because the cinematographer on this, Jan S. Kaminsky, who goes on to win an Oscar for cinematography, doing Schindler's List and saving Private Ryan. No way. Multiple uh Academy Award winner, cinematographer, uh, frequent collaborator with Steven Spielberg, did the cinematography on Cool as Ice in 1991.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

There were some shots in this movie that I'm like, that's slightly more art artsy than I was expecting.

SPEAKER_00 13:09

Yeah. Yeah, there were there were a lot of artsy shots and direction in this that I thought it didn't work at all. But it was but it really like it really does kind of make you like sit back and squint a little bit. Like, why why did they really do like a low shot here or like a yeah, um there's a shot that as a scene that I hated where they like sped up the family, like the dad reading the paper and the mom setting the table and like all that stuff. And I was just like, what what is this? Like it fe it feels like a lot of this movie is would be great to cut up and put into a music video. Yeah. But yeah, anyway.

SPEAKER_01 13:51

There was this scene that was I felt completely unnecessary where it was like just walking down a dimly lit hallway that had a bunch of light bulbs just swinging in the hallway, like at head level. I'm like, what is this room? Yeah, but nothing happened in there, it was just a shot. And I'm like, why was that in the movie?

SPEAKER_00 14:10

It was it was very weird. But um, yeah, I don't uh hey, everyone's got interesting uh blips on their career, but yeah, I just I was shocked to see that like two years later he did Schindler's List.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

So good for him, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 14:24

Yeah. The movie stars, of course, uh Robert Van Winkle, Vanilla Ice. Also a lot of co-stars, a lot of people that you might recognize too, has the older cousin from Home Alone as the love interest. She's the one that like counts everybody in the van, I think, in Home Alone and is like corralling her her cousins and siblings. It has the sister from Coming to America. I don't know if you remember coming to America well, but uh not the actress. Uh yeah, the actress. Well, in in this movie, she was one of the I guess band members. We'll get to that in a second. Not clear who those characters were, but uh uh and then it has like the dad from family ties.

SPEAKER_01 15:11

And I never watched that. I don't know that I've ever seen an episode.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_01 15:16

Uh who was the star of that? Was that like uh that wasn't Tony Danza, was it?

SPEAKER_00 15:22

No, that's Who's the Boss? Who's the Boss?

unknown 15:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

Why am I blanking on his name? Uh Back to the Future.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

Um Oh, Michael J. Fox. Yeah, yeah. I can't remember. Oh, that's what he was doing when he um got Back to the Future, wasn't it? He was on that show already.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

I forget the the sequence. I I watched both after you know, it it's all jumbled in my mind because I would watch reruns of Family Ties when I got home from school.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

I think that's why they got Eric Stoltz to do I think that's his name, Eric Stoltz to do he was hired first in Back to the Future and shot most of the movie before they fired him and and replaced him with Michael J. Fox. Yeah. Because I think by that point um the season was over on Family Ties or something and they could get him. Yeah, which is who they wanted all along. Yeah, okay, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 16:09

And Justine Bateman, Jason Bateman's sister, was the sister on family ties. Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

There's a weird uh Bateman Fox connection. It's weird that they were in like his sister was in family ties with him, and then he played Teen Wolf in Teen Wolf 2 taking over Michael J. Fox's role. Yeah. They're both child stars. Yes. Was Michael J. Fox a child star? Was he underage when he got big, or was he was he like a teenager?

SPEAKER_00 16:37

I don't know how old he was in Family Ties or He always seemed like 18 to me. Yeah, he always looked young. He probably the I actually thought about it in this movie, but the 80s also was like very bad about having like 30 year olds play high school students. So maybe he just always looked young. Yeah. We we can look that up. Uh Cool as Ice. Would you say?

SPEAKER_01 17:03

We don't do facts.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

Yeah. Uh Cool as Ice, 3% on Rotten Tomatoes. I didn't look to see who gave it a positive rating, but uh let's just it was Vanilla Ice himself. Let's assume let's assume they were doing it ironically. Six million dollar budget, 1.2 million at the box office. So clearly a flop. Uh had you heard of this movie? Had you seen it? No. I knew nothing about it. What's your relationship to Mr. Ice?

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Uh almost none. I mean, I I know his big song, but uh I was not a fan really growing up. It wasn't my fan of music. And like I other than his like big hit that I know, I couldn't tell you anything else he's done. And listening to him sing and rap in this movie, I'm like, how is this man ever like a huge star?

SPEAKER_00 17:58

Does he actually sing? I think he just rapped.

SPEAKER_01 18:01

There's a there's like a slower song towards the like final act that he does when they're doing the montage of him riding the motorcycle around, and I'm like, he's trying to sing a little.

SPEAKER_00 18:15

Yeah. What what was that song? It's like I love you, baby, or something. Yeah, it sounded terrible.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

I struggled with this movie more than any movie we've done so far. And like I honestly was like, I think I might have to postpone doing the podcast because I watched it and I don't know what I watched. So yeah, I I don't know how this episode is gonna go because I I'm I was so lost on what happened in this movie.

SPEAKER_00 18:45

Yeah, well, I hop hopefully I can I can help you out a little bit. Um little bit of background for those who don't know much about Vanilla Ice. He had the fastest-selling hip-hop album of all time in 1990, and Ice Ice Baby was the first hip-hop single to top the Billboard Hot 100. So he was, I mean, definitely successful for Is it because he's white?

SPEAKER_01 19:08

Was he like the the first white palatable uh rapper for middle class America?

SPEAKER_00 19:16

The question or the answer to why was Villa Vanilla Ice popular may take the full hour. Um, and I don't know that I have the background to quite answer that. But I think it was some combination of the novelty of it and What was the novelty though? How polarized he was white? I think that was part of it. So Beastie Boys preceded him, but yeah, he was he was definitely the first like commercially successful solo white rapper, if you don't count the Beastie Boys as a group, right? Uh and he wasn't good uh or well respected as an artist in the way that like the Beastie Boys were. I'm sure some you know, I'm sure people hated the Beastie Boys, but I th I think you know everybody generally within the hip-hop community like feels respect and and all that toward towards the Beastie Boys. I actually think I don't know how much I want to stand behind this, but like I think he probably did have a decent amount of talent. And when I was like doing a little bit of background on this, there were some like you know, hip-hop stars that seem like they were giving him some respect and stuff or like what I like he grew up doing like breakdancing and uh I think he's like clearly a talented dancer, like you may not like that, but like he's skilled.

SPEAKER_01 20:43

He has you know he's he was talented at some of the dancing he did in the movie.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

Yeah, and he grew up doing like battle raps and stuff like that. So I think similar to you know the MM eight miles. And thank God MM came along and and really helped out white guys everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 21:03

Yeah, salvaged our reputation in the hip hop community.

SPEAKER_00 21:07

Yeah. Uh but but clearly from Vinilis' style and just like image and all that stuff, like it wasn't I he wasn't presented as a serious artist, and like his lyrics aren't like deep or interesting or meaningful in the same way that we're gonna get an angry letter from his attorneys for some.

SPEAKER_01 21:26

Yeah, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 21:28

Well, yeah, I mean I think it was just I it was also like at an era where it was coming out of like rap from the 80s, which was more like his lyrics probably reminded me more of like 80s rap than like 90s rap, what you think of there. And so like I, you know, I think some of that is also like the style of the time.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

Yeah, and and certainly an era of music where a great music video could make you into a huge star, and not so much the music.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

But yeah, I don't know. It's it's just also one of those like how does like a meme, you know, go viral, or how does like Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Like just this was the era where MC Hammer was super popular and like yeah, stuff would get on the radio and like just go broad and like hip hop was also entering the mainstream too. And so I think some of it was like a rising tide and all that. It seemed like he was a lot more popular in the like South and like Florida, really kind of middle, like that's not really middle America, I don't think, but like outside of the coasts, you know, not yeah, he wasn't like East Coast rap or West Coast rap, he was just this other thing and like probably spoke to a culture. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I don't know, white white kids everywhere buying buying the cassettes. But he was also like really criticized and made fun of, and like uh flash in the pan, obviously, like he meteoric rise, and then like a bunch of stuff came out about like he had kind of fabricated some of his background to make himself seem more credible in the hip-hop community, and like there was this whole thing where he was talking about like like stabbed by a bunch of like gang members or whatever. And I yeah, this was a couple years, I think, after Millie Vanilli, and so there was a lot of like criticism of like, did you did he even do his own rapping? Which which I think he did, and he had to like defend himself from that. And so anyway, it was like both the first white betrayed the trust, yeah, commercial rapper, but then also like he he had to defend himself. And I don't know. I mean, a uh some some may say Elvis was the vanilla ice of gospel music. Like I think it's uh you know it's a pattern that's the type of.

SPEAKER_01 23:39

I'm not even sure what analogy you're trying to make here.

SPEAKER_00 23:42

I'm just trying to trying to troll it.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

Rile me up. I'm an Elvis fan for those who don't know.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

Get your get your heart rate up a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 23:51

Um were you a vanilla ice fan? You were a fan of hip hop at the time.

SPEAKER_00 23:57

I was. I I feel like I listened to Ice Ice Baby on the radio a lot.

SPEAKER_01 24:04

I think you couldn't avoid it.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

I mean, I was young when that came out, but I remember it being everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 24:12

Yeah. Uh I definitely wouldn't call myself a fan. I feel like I remember wasn't cool to like him. Uh so maybe I just didn't let myself, you know, appreciate the music, but I didn't I didn't have his his tape or anything like that. So I I will admit I didn't know that that was a s that that bass line was a sample from Is a Queen uh until like Yeah, is it under pressure? Many years later.

SPEAKER_01 24:44

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that he sampled there was a song that was in this movie that I didn't recognize, but it sounded like it was also sampling another famous song that it sounded almost exactly like this other song, but he just rapped over it instead. Yeah. I mean that's I mean that's what hip hop is. Not necessarily, but they do a lot of sampling.

SPEAKER_00 25:09

But yeah, sampling was was pretty core in a sense, uh, you know, part of it.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

I I do feel though like Vanilla Ice did almost nothing to change the music to his own, though. Like it he straight stole the music of and then he just put his own lyrics over it. Whereas I I felt like other hip hop of the time, they sampled, you know, maybe a riff or a bass line or something here and there, but uh they put their own beat over it, whereas he just stole the music and taught and put his own lyrics.

SPEAKER_00 25:42

Yeah, I think you had different um uh executions of it. I I think his his execution was was probably more common than not. I mean, there are other songs I can't rattle off the top, but where like I'm like, oh yeah, this you know, the this bass line or this this music is awesome, and then I learn years later. Like it is just straight up just the instrumental. Yeah, I mean it was because I if you look at the origins of hip hop, you just take a you just take a record and play, you know, just literally play the sample off the record. I like it wasn't like you would import it into whatever and make changes and make it your own. You're just like literally playing rapping over somebody else's music. So yeah. I th I think that's typical. So we should talk about the movie a little bit. Uh apparently the background of the movie is record executives learned uh about Ice Cube's involvement in Boys in the Hood, which came out the same year, and basically Vanilla Ice was hot, blown up, and wanted they wanted to capitalize on that, and they were like, he should do a movie too. And so instead of it seemed like instead of like a plot and a story, they just I don't know. I so your your comments before we started this, you were like, I don't know what this movie's about, and like what happened in this movie. Yeah. Uh it is pretty indecipherable. So there there are yeah, there are I I would say three storylines happening here that we can touch on. Um I won't even ask you to give a synopsis because I was gonna tell you to explain it because I'm like, I don't even know.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

I read the Wikipedia and I'm like, oh, okay, this is kind of the plot. But I couldn't I couldn't put it into words and tell it to you.

SPEAKER_00 27:27

Yeah, there are three storylines is to to oversimplify. One is this love story between Vanilla Ice and the small town girl. High school girl? Yeah, yeah. She's she's still an high school.

SPEAKER_01 27:42

I was immediately I was like, I don't like this movie at all. We're already off to a horrible start.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

A little uncomfortable. He he's he's 24 at this time. I I looked up just to try to clarify this. Uh her boyfriend, by the way, the actor is 26.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

So yeah, he looked like a a man.

SPEAKER_00 28:03

He yeah, he looked like he was middle-aged. Uh also, I think, supposed to be a high school senior. Yeah. Um, so there's the love story, which we'll talk about a little bit. Uh, there's also inexplicably, the girl's father is in witness protection and some thugs find him.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

His old cop buddies. Yeah. He was he was a clean cop and he hate he turned in dirty cops.

SPEAKER_00 28:33

I had to watch him one of the scenes twice because I was like, I he he expositions what happened, but I I was like, I still don't understand what happened. I know.

SPEAKER_01 28:45

Stuff would happen, and I'm like, I don't know what is going on. I don't know why this is happening.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

Uh and then the third storyline, which I want to start with, because this is my favorite. So so I'll give the premise real quick, as best as I can understand. But the movie starts with like a music video of like him and his crew dancing and rapping, and then they get on bikes and just drive cross country. I don't know. I my first note is where are they? I I don't know. I don't know. I don't understand. Uh, but maybe they're on tour. So maybe they're a a rapping, dancing musical group, four of them, including vanilla. And I guess they're going to their next gig and one of their motorcycles breaks down, and they are towing the motorcycle, which can you tow it that way with like a rope? I don't know. I don't know how I think you can.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

As long as I don't know. I have no idea.

SPEAKER_00 29:43

And then they're going, they're driving through this suburb, like the suburban street, which I don't know uh what their directions are, but uh and then vanilla says, yo man, check out this crazy whack house. And there's a crazy whack house brightly colored, just shit everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 30:06

Yeah, like knickknacks and it's like all it's painted like the rainbow, and there's weird, there's like a huge globe outside. It's just weird shit.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

Yeah, and they have they have a bunch of smaller globes lining the street, like the the yard uh along the street, and then this character Roscoe comes out and apparently thinks vanilla ice is there to sell him his bike, and uh they talk for a little bit and he's like, You can fix this shit or whatever. I don't know. And Roscoe and May, yeah, is that her name? Roscoe and May. This is his wife. His wife. This is a couple that maybe in their 60s or I don't know, yeah, 60s.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

They own a little mechanic shop or something.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

I guess it's a mechanic shop. That there's no sign that says that that indicates it. But he basically says he's gonna fix the bike. He proceeds to take it apart, and they're clu clearly clueless about how to fix the bike.

SPEAKER_01 31:04

And then there's I guess exotic bikes. They said the May said this bike costs more than our house. Yeah. So I don't know what they're riding, but they are in over their heads.

SPEAKER_00 31:14

But at some point, May says, make yourself at home, and then these four people, vanilla ice and uh three other and his group, yeah, his group that are you know dressed in similar, like just crazy outfits or whatever, yeah, just proceed to live with Roscoe and May for four days, I think, pass through this movie.

SPEAKER_01 31:40

And then so weird. Every scene at the house is so weird, it's like a fever dream.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

I was baffled by it. I I I love it. I I mean this part of the movie was like so bad it's good part because I would agree. Because I'm like, what is happening? So each the one of the first shots, oh my gosh, is one of these guys. I I didn't write down their names, so I don't know. Whatever. One of these guys making the grossest, craziest fucking sandwich I've ever seen. Yeah. It's just he slips.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

Do you remember what was on it?

SPEAKER_00 32:16

Yeah, I wrote it down.

SPEAKER_01 32:18

Do you I'm I I want to know if I can remember it off the top of it. He starts with peanut butter.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

Uh-huh. And then he by the way, this is this is part of the cinematographer's like gene or direction. It's it's just it like drags you through this, like it's just a shot of him like slowly adding each ingredient. Yeah. And each time I I'm like mind-blown and it keeps getting worse. Anyway, sorry, peanut butter.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

And then he puts like pickle spears on it, like three, three or four pickle spears. Then he puts sardines on it. Yeah, great memory. And then covers it in mustard. Uh-huh. Is there anything else? Well, he tops it off with pineapple.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

Pineapple.

SPEAKER_00 33:03

Like a ring of pineapple. Oh, I'm feeling queasy just talking about it.

SPEAKER_01 33:09

I feel like I've gotta try it.

SPEAKER_00 33:13

Please do. Was that a thing? Like, why did they make us watch that? There's no way that's a thing. I mean, I I didn't search this, but n I wouldn't eat a sandwich with any two of those ingredients, would you?

SPEAKER_01 33:28

Um no.

SPEAKER_00 33:31

I mean maybe pickle mustard sandwich. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, that's that's the only combo that I would it was heinous looking.

SPEAKER_01 33:41

And I think like it looked like he really made it and ate it.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

Yeah. But it I mean, I loved this part of the movie because they just kept like coming back, uh not any comp, you know, I I don't for for no reason, but they just keep coming back with shots of what the band members were doing. And they were just doing like random, like what the I think it was the sandwich guy. Later, he was building this giant house of cards and getting frustrated with it. And then the woman, she would just be like out on the driveway dancing.

SPEAKER_01 34:14

There was a lot of shots of just dancing in the house. It was so strange.

SPEAKER_00 34:21

But yeah, I was just like, what is the business model of this Airbnb slash mechanic? What is what do they do usually, Roscoe and May? What they had no other customers, it seems like. How would you sit down and write this for a movie? Like what was it improved? I I don't know. I it couldn't be like it's they they had they had to have like production people put together that house of cards and the I yeah, it was just weird.

SPEAKER_01 34:46

The things that happen in this movie make no fucking sense. Yeah, nothing there's no like baseline, like this is a standard reaction or a thing to do in this scenario. Yeah, it was just like okay, this happened. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_00 35:02

Humans, no humans would act the way that these these characters did.

SPEAKER_01 35:07

Yeah, it was insane. This is not um definitive or proof of anything, but I Googled the sandwich, and there's uh Reddit thread from three years ago in the canned sardines subreddit about the sandwich, and they say it's delicious. Oh my gosh. I don't know. All right, sweet and savory.

SPEAKER_00 35:29

You've got a mission before next episode. Yeah, I gotta have one. Oh, it just does not seem like anything. Anyway. So the other storyline, we we we won't spend too much time on the plot, uh, but the love story, it starts with they're riding their mitor motorcycles, I guess, again, on their way to the next gig, to the next town, and he sees the girl riding a horse by the highway.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

Does the sanest thing possible here?

SPEAKER_00 36:03

Because uh yeah, I guess this is just what you do when you see a hot girl on a horse is you do a motorcycle jump over the fence, which the physics didn't really seem like they worked. Um, I don't I I've never you know ridden one of those bikes before, so I don't know if they can just leap into the air.

SPEAKER_01 36:21

I know how ramps work.

SPEAKER_00 36:22

And yeah, there was no ramp. Uh no ramp. Yeah. He lands a motorcycle right in front of the horse, which scares the horse, throws her off, I mean, almost breaks her arm or her leg.

SPEAKER_01 36:38

So dangerous. And then he jumps off. He's like, Are you okay? You caused all this.

SPEAKER_00 36:47

And then she hits him, and he's like, You hit pretty good for a girl. For a girl. And she falls in love with him from that, I guess. Uh, or at least like very attracted to him. So yeah, the most of the movie is him being vanilla ice, aggressively pursuing her. Yes. Uh, she has a boyfriend named Nick and child, this ice cool child. Uh, and vanilla ice keeps calling him Dick, which I did love that part. I did think that was funny. Um that's that's a strong move. Have you ever done that?

SPEAKER_01 37:24

No, I wish I was that cool, actually.

SPEAKER_00 37:29

See you later, Dick. Yeah. My name's Nick. Oh right. Yeah. Uh that would be good. Yeah, that is a very alpha move. The only I mean, there's so many weird scenes. Uh, where's where's the weirdest construction site that you've taken a date on?

SPEAKER_01 37:49

I think that the first construction site that I take a date to will be the weirdest one because I don't think I've ever pulled that move before.

SPEAKER_00 37:58

Uh, it did also make me think: was dating just really different in the early 90s? Maybe. I feel like I remember I think there's like a high school aspect and then also like a 90s aspect of like you just cruise. Like I know it's a you know small town thing, like there's nowhere to go, so you just drive and then you just hang out and talk at weird locations.

SPEAKER_01 38:20

I would like to remind you that the movies are fiction. You struggle with the this sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 38:28

Yeah, but it should be a reflection of reality.

SPEAKER_01 38:33

And this movie was not a reflection of anything. It was it was the reflection of somebody's acid trip.

SPEAKER_00 38:40

Yeah, okay, okay, fair enough. Maybe cocaine. How many how many girls have you broke into their house and woken them up by putting ice in their mouth? That was so fucking weird. Oh, god, this movie made me uncomfortable in a lot of ways. Yeah, uh they have no relationship.

SPEAKER_01 39:03

She's been really the way she like wiped the water drool mixture off her cheek was so unsettling.

SPEAKER_00 39:11

Yeah, it's it's definitely uncomfortable. She's she's asleep for the night, laying in bed in her pajamas, and he just breaks into her house and slowly like drips some ice into her. Where did he get the ice?

SPEAKER_02 39:24

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 39:25

How did he know which room was hers? Was he wandering around from bedroom to bedroom looking for her?

SPEAKER_01 39:31

Yeah, I don't know. It's so creepy. It's like psychotic.

SPEAKER_00 39:35

Uh yeah, it's uh it's very weird. The witness protection storyline also completely batshit. I I appreciated once they started that uh like the very beginning of that storyline, I was like, oh, there's actually more to this movie than this love story. Thank God. Like there's actually gonna be some tension in a plot. Yeah. But no, um the dad who's in witness protection. Well, first of all, the thugs find him, like you said, his former partners, I guess, on the police force. Yeah, something and they just sit outside his house eating and then say, Let's come back at night. Well, like you're there and playing, like, what's the point of coming back? Yeah, you've already been seen. He he looks through the window and sees them and does nothing. He doesn't call, has contacted the FBI and it's like, hey, they found me, or doesn't call the cops then.

SPEAKER_01 40:26

I'm pretty sure there's like protocol for people in the witness protection program when it seems like they've maybe been outed.

SPEAKER_00 40:34

He just goes back to his regular life until they come back at night. Um, it seems like uh they mention half a million dollars that he has and then it doesn't come up again. I'm like, did he steal money from them?

SPEAKER_01 40:47

What was the crime? So he explains to his daughter eventually what like what's going on, that the their name is completely different, they're in the witness protection program, and that his partner was dirty and he wasn't. But did he say what the crime was that they were committing?

SPEAKER_00 41:04

Nope. That's why I had to watch that scene a couple times because I was like, I, you know, I I I'm not doing the best job paying attention to the details on this, but yeah, I'm pretty sure he didn't say. So I was like, let me watch the scene again. And now he just kind of skips over that. I yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:20

That's why this movie fucked me up so much, is because I got to the end of it and I was like, I think I missed half of it. Like, I don't know if I fell asleep or what. Like, I don't think that I can talk coherently on this movie because I don't know what happened or why.

SPEAKER_00 41:34

It's not coherent. Uh nope. Uh yeah, they and they just kind of jam these storylines together and then it ends up.

SPEAKER_01 41:45

Have you ever seen another movie like this?

SPEAKER_00 41:49

No, it kind of reminds I I mean, we've we've seen hints of this in other movies. Like it reminds me a little bit of the Avengers in that one. I remember it just felt like so much was cut out because they just Yeah. They're like in trouble in this location, and then the next scene is they're just at home, and it's like, well, what happened?

SPEAKER_01 42:12

Like Yeah, big leaps in the plot that you don't understand.

SPEAKER_00 42:15

Yeah, like this just seemed similarly cut to hell.

SPEAKER_01 42:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:19

But it is also this one is also very boring in stretches, like there's just long shots of I guess it that just feels like it's meant to be a music video.

SPEAKER_01 42:28

They're just uh like I mean, how many scenes in this movie were just singing and dancing? And it was like there were like probably three or four full songs that are just singing and dancing?

SPEAKER_00 42:41

But it was actually only I feel like it was only at the very first scene, which was the opening credits, the very last scene, which was the closing credits, and then and then the middle scene where he shows up at that at that club in the small town.

SPEAKER_01 42:57

Where they're playing really weird, horrible music.

SPEAKER_00 43:00

And everyone's addressed like they're in the 50s, yeah. Or very um stereotypical like geek, like tape on the glasses.

SPEAKER_01 43:10

They look like Pocket Avenger the Nerds or something.

SPEAKER_00 43:12

Yeah, pocket protectors and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 43:15

It was such a strange movie. Yeah. So I mean that's three music breaks in the movie, like beginning in middle. Uh, and there was other scenes like the um the motorcycle montage where he's riding around where it's just him doing the music, and they're just it's like it's basically a music video.

SPEAKER_00 43:33

Yeah. For those that want action, there are a few fight scenes too. What did you think of those?

SPEAKER_01 43:39

I didn't even absorb them. I was like, I'm like, I was stun-locked for this movie. I was like, I don't know what I'm seeing. I like I thought nothing of them. They were, I mean, it was bad.

SPEAKER_00 43:52

Yeah, uh yeah, the the shot um could not have I I guess I didn't watch closely enough to. See if it was uh if there are any stunt doubles, but it definitely was um I I don't think he had any fight training for this, but uh the character is supposed to be really good at martial arts or something. I I don't know. Um I would have loved to see him break dance fighting. That would have been fun.

SPEAKER_01 44:14

Yeah, I like I don't know what he is. Like I know he's uh he's a rapper in the movie, but like how does he live? What does he what's his story? I don't know him.

SPEAKER_00 44:27

There's no background, no, no understanding of yeah, again, it starts out the the opening credits is him and his crew dancing at at I guess a club, I don't know, underground warehouse. I who knows? And then they just get on motorcycles and show up at this small town.

SPEAKER_01 44:43

I I don't even know if it's he just blows through town with his group, harasses uh an underage girl for a while, causes some havoc around town, beats somebody up, and leaves.

SPEAKER_00 44:52

Yeah, yeah, basically. Uh where's their luggage? Uh he They have several costume changes. He he changes his outfit in almost every scene except for his jacket. But um, yeah, they just have these these crotch rackets and no luggage that I can see.

SPEAKER_01 45:09

Yeah, how'd you feel about his hair?

SPEAKER_00 45:12

Uh uh it's I mean it's vanilla ice hair, it's the little gross, it's it's just over the top. I mean, I don't know. That was it it hinted at the style during the time, which you know, fades and like uh whatchamacallit, like you know, patterns in in your uh in your fade, but like it's just it's too much, you know, shaved eyebrows and and yeah checkerboard fade. Yeah. I mean that's the same with his outfit and everything, like his whole style and persona. It's like it hints at what was in fashion, but it's just the extreme end uh edge of that.

SPEAKER_01 45:49

Yeah. What did his jacket say?

SPEAKER_00 45:52

I did pay attention to it at the beginning, and then I kind of got tired of it. Because I think it kept changing too, right?

SPEAKER_01 45:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:57

I like I don't know if that was different jackets. Like it seemed like the same style jacket, like the same model or whatever you go, but I don't know if he just changed what it said each each day.

SPEAKER_01 46:07

I googled it. It looks like it says down by law. I don't know what that means. I'm so confused by this fucking movie.

SPEAKER_00 46:16

Yeah. Um yeah, I wrote down if you're going to kidnap a little kid, where would you hold him?

SPEAKER_01 46:23

Yeah, where did they take him?

SPEAKER_00 46:25

At the construction site.

SPEAKER_01 46:26

Where oh yeah, yeah, yeah, because they they heard it on the tape, the ransom tape.

SPEAKER_00 46:31

Yeah, Chekhov's jackhammer. Yeah. I did appreciate that. Like I noticed that when we f saw that jack or whatever that device is at the beginning of the movie, or towards the middle or whatever, and I was like that they really focused on that a little bit. Yeah. I appreciated the callback.

SPEAKER_01 46:47

Yeah, so the goons kidnapped the girl's brother, the son of the cop, and uh yeah, that was they were asking for a ransom, I guess. I just was It was like they we had to put some conflict in here. It couldn't just be a creepy older man harasses a teenage girl. Yeah. He's gotta save the day too.

SPEAKER_00 47:11

He's he's gotta break through the drywall with his motorcycle and karate chop the bad guys. Yeah. Yeah, well, it was a movie. I hated it.

SPEAKER_01 47:25

It was so bad.

SPEAKER_00 47:27

Uh I texted you. Uh I I do appreciate how from time to time you're like, anytime I think movies couldn't get worse. Uh is is this now the worst movie? Oh yeah. Easy new low. Oh yeah. Yeah, this is um, man, this is this is probably the worst movie we've watched. I would agree. It's my only hesitation is I do feel like the Roscoe May garage shop thing. Like, if we could just take that part, if we just have a supercut, mostly I don't know. I would watch that part again. Mostly I I'm just I'm just baffled. Like it is it is just really weird.

SPEAKER_01 48:06

It's a three-minute premise that they made a 90-minute movie out of.

SPEAKER_00 48:11

Yeah, I don't even know if there is a pre I mean the love story, the love story is kind of the core of the movie, but there really isn't a story there.

SPEAKER_01 48:19

And I and I have fundamental issues with the love story from the get-go. Why does she have to be a high school girl? She could just be a girl in town. Why does she have to be underage? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 48:34

And and just yeah, I don't know. It was a it was a different time.

SPEAKER_01 48:39

Uh that's no excuse. I lived through those times. It wasn't that different.

SPEAKER_00 48:45

I mean, I I I think they were trying to like hearken back to uh like John Hughes movies and you know make it I don't know. I he probably didn't graduate high school, so maybe it was fun. He peaked. Maybe he was supposed to be 19 or something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 49:03

Maybe. I guess we don't really they didn't give any background.

SPEAKER_00 49:09

Maybe they just were like, well, she has to go off to college at the end of the story, so it's not like they live happily ever after.

SPEAKER_01 49:16

I don't know it's so I like I feel like we're supposed to take the impression that he's already a success. Like he's got this motorcycle that's worth more than their house, and he's dressed as a cool and he is cool, and uh he's like this big shot.

SPEAKER_00 49:32

But he's a success only in the eyes of the eight-year-old like little brother.

SPEAKER_01 49:38

Yeah, like he's living at the mechanic shop in town. He has no bags, he has no luggage, yeah. They're just throwing on a motorcycle.

SPEAKER_00 49:48

There's no there's no support, like there's no assistant or roadies or anything.

SPEAKER_01 49:53

He doesn't have a manager, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:55

No entourage really. Yeah, I don't think he's a success in most adults' eyes.

SPEAKER_01 50:01

Yeah, but I think that that like they're trying to give the impression that he's a success.

SPEAKER_00 50:06

Yeah, uh, but they give they give no background. I I about halfway through the movie, I was like, what is this character's name?

SPEAKER_01 50:15

And yeah, and I read it in the Wikipedia page and I was like, oh.

SPEAKER_00 50:21

And the the girl says his name, and I was really confused because I'm like, they did they show us where he s said his name, or is he I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 50:34

Johnny Van Owen is his name. I had to go back to the Wikipedia page just now to refresh.

SPEAKER_00 50:41

It is this is a crazy movie. I I don't recommend anyone watch it, but if you are feeling particularly masochistic, I this is just this is just a baffling movie.

SPEAKER_01 50:54

It's like so self-indulgent too, because they have no story to tell you, but they're like, we're gonna make you watch vanilla ice for 90 minutes because he's vanilla ice. Yeah, and it's just him trying to act cool in every oh yeah, he's got one-liners and and comebacks for every authority figure and drop a zero, get with a hero. Yeah. Uh well. Do you think this movie gets made today?

SPEAKER_00 51:23

I I hope not. I think if it does no, yeah, I don't I don't think it does. I I think if it does, maybe it goes straight to streaming. But even then, like, why would you make this movie? Yeah, I I would just have to believe that there's now you could at least like write a script with AI and get something better. I mean, I I know that's sacrilege to say that, but there's no story here.

SPEAKER_01 51:47

Your kids aren't gonna like that statement.

SPEAKER_00 51:50

Uh I don't I don't like saying that because I I want Hollywood to thrive and writers to, but any entry-level, you know, writer is gonna do better. I I don't I don't know what happened with this movie. I I couldn't find out. The director disowned this um after some time, I guess. Uh I kind of feel like probably a good career choice. Yeah. Oh, speaking of which, uh, did you see who was cast to play the girlfriend at first? I don't know if I saw that or not. Gwyneth Paltrow, but her father advised her not to accept it as he felt it could hurt her career. How old was she at the time? Oh, good question. 1991. She she was pretty young, I think. That's about all I have for for for that movie. Um, she would have been she would have been good in it. I mean I'm sure she would have brought something to the part, but I she better thank her dad every day.

SPEAKER_01 52:50

Every day for talking her out of that.

SPEAKER_00 52:53

Yeah. Where was her manager? Yeah, I feel bad for the um for the dad because I felt like there's some scenes where he was really trying to bring the acting and um it was just uh nobody could elevate this movie.

SPEAKER_01 53:07

Uh no, the the mechanic couple were like cartoonish, they're they were caricatures of real people.

SPEAKER_00 53:14

Yeah. He was an uh one flu over the cuckoo's nest, I think. Um I forget his character's name, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:21

I think he uh he might have not gotten along with Jack Nicholson in in real life during the filming of that. I think it's the same actor.

SPEAKER_00 53:29

Um let me just whine for a second that this podcast is ruining my recommendation algorithms.

SPEAKER_01 53:36

This podcast is ruining a number of things.

SPEAKER_00 53:39

We had to rent this movie. Um did you find it streaming? Oh, they got my four bucks. Yeah. Spending four dollars on movies like this, I feel like there's a machine learning scientist somewhere who's just like, who is this guy?

SPEAKER_01 53:54

Yeah, I felt betrayed after I paid for it and watched it.

SPEAKER_00 53:58

Paid for Gili too. Oh, what is this slash?

SPEAKER_01 54:03

They've just got us dialed in as masochists. We hate ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 54:07

I I don't I don't think they know what I mean for first of all, they're probably only two of us.

SPEAKER_01 54:16

Yeah, I've seen like a another worst movie podcast uh here and there that they don't do it anymore, and that's probably for a reason.

SPEAKER_00 54:28

Uh we're gonna end up um at an institution. Uh what's your alternate pick? I don't know. Boys in the hood. That's mine.

SPEAKER_01 54:39

Yeah, go watch. I feel like it's uh easy go watch that.

SPEAKER_00 54:45

Any other movie in the universe.

SPEAKER_01 54:48

Go wat even just watch a music music video. It's you'll save yourself 87 minutes and get the same content.

SPEAKER_00 54:57

Yeah, actually my my alternate pick, uh, I found a uh in living color skit where Jim Carrey parodies Vanilla Ice, and it was hilarious. Uh I'll I'll send you the link and I'll uh maybe I'll post the link in the show notes too. It was pretty funny. Nice. Well, I guess we should G O. I've been waiting all podcast to see. Yeah, I bet. That was his that was his last line in the movie. Yeah, some of the some of the dialogue. We we don't really talk much about the dialogue, uh, but uh the where are you going? I'm gonna go schling that schlong or like he would just say stuff sometimes like are you just making up slang on the spot?

SPEAKER_01 55:44

Or I don't know. Yeah, I was curious uh what you thought about the dialogue, if you thought it was like cool in any way.

SPEAKER_00 55:53

Or why would and what what what what I mean that was the thing was that he was super cool in this movie.

SPEAKER_01 56:01

And at the time, like he was a huge star. He's like cool man, but like I watched it and I'm like, ugh.

SPEAKER_00 56:08

No, I I don't think so. I mean, certainly not me today look watching that felt like he was cool. I don't think me back then thought he was cool.

SPEAKER_01 56:17

I mean, they were trying to be cool though, that's what they were clearly going for.

SPEAKER_00 56:21

Yeah, I just think it was all over the it was just so it was an exaggerated version of what um I mean, yeah, I look, I I would be the first to admit, even if I thought it was cool at the time, it'd be hard right now to be like, yeah, I thought it was I but I feel like I would admit it. Um there are definitely things that like I thought like I yeah, I remember liking MC Hammer. I didn't think like the hammer pants were like I never wore hammer pants, and I don't think I would say it was cool, but I liked like I like I thought kid and play were really cool. They were probably around the same time. I don't know them at all. You don't know who kid and play are? No. Uh which those movies probably uh I should look them up. The House Party movies. Did you ever see any of those? No. I'm I'm sure they they were not well reviewed. I thought Kid and Play were really cool. There was a Kid and Play cartoon too, um, back in the day um that I watched. I thought Crisscross was cool. Um they were definitely like exaggerated. I remember when like overalls with like one strap down was really cool. I definitely did that. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, cross colors. Um that was that was cool. But yeah, I feel like vanilla ice.

SPEAKER_01 57:34

Criss cross wearing your pants backwards?

SPEAKER_00 57:36

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:38

Uh yeah, that simpler times.

SPEAKER_00 57:44

Now people just think I'm weird. Yeah. I thought sagging your pants was cool. I mean, yeah, there are definitely things that that like I don't think is cool now. Vanilla Ice just looks like he was never really that cool.

SPEAKER_01 57:57

Yeah. Yeah, I I can't say if I uh if I thought he was cool at the time or not. I don't remember. Definitely not cool now. As ice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:10

Anyway, that's all I have. That was a hell of a segue.

SPEAKER_01 58:15

We're improving.

SPEAKER_00 58:16

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SPEAKER_01 58:28

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