Swept Away (The One That Ended Madonna's Acting Career)

This week on The Worst Movie Podcast, Ade and Aaron tackle Swept Away (2002), the Madonna vehicle that scored a 6% on Rotten Tomatoes and made back just $1 million of its $10 million budget. Directed by Guy Ritchie and starring his then-wife, the movie strands two terrible characters on a deserted island and asks the audience to root for them as a couple. Madonna won the Razzie for Worst Actress — her first of two that year. Spoiler: both hosts agree it's the worst movie either has ever seen.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Yo, yo, yo, yo. Last time, I promise. Thank God. Maybe. Fingers crossed. Hello, and welcome to the worst movie podcast.

SPEAKER_01 0:12

Amade. I'm Aaron, and this is a movie where we watch the worst movies ever made in the hopes of finding a hidden gem.

unknown 0:19

Enjoy.

SPEAKER_01 0:39

Kind of a bunch of stuff. This has been a busy week for me. Uh we just got back from New York where we saw uh NAD Pod at Radio City Music Hall, not another DD podcast. Uh yeah, they were really funny. Uh, and it's a good podcast if you're into Dungeons and Dragons. So did they play Dungeons?

SPEAKER_00 1:02

Like, how does it work?

SPEAKER_01 1:03

Yeah, so they do different campaigns on their podcast. And for this live show, they do like a non-canon like one-off episode and they like mixed in characters and storylines from a few different campaigns that they run. So uh, because like I don't know, they I I've been to uh a Dimension 20 show and they do like similar kinds of things where they try to get everybody's favorite characters in for at least a little bit. Uh but yeah, they just play they just play Dungeons and Dragons, and it's all improv and it's up to the dice, and it was a lot of fun. It was a really good crowd. Same with the the Dimension 20 crowd, like it's just fun to be there with people who were like super into whatever it is. So we did that, and then we also saw Hamilton on Broadway, which was incredible. I've been a big fan of it, like just listening to the soundtrack from when it came out, and I saw the the Disney movie that they did, but I haven't seen it performed live, and seeing it performed live was incredible. It was so much better than I thought it would be. I thought it would be like I've seen it before. I've seen the yeah, I've seen the stage play on on Disney, so what how much better could it be? But it was like, I don't know, just seeing it done live is so much more impressive.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

That was kind of how I felt when we went to New York last year and we're talking about going to see it. I was like, well, let's see something we haven't seen.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

Yeah. I uh as soon as I bought the tickets, I like had a little bit of buyer's remorse, and I was like, oh my god, should I have bought something that I haven't seen before? And yeah, like I don't already know all the songs to, and I'm like, I don't have any regrets. It was such a great show.

unknown 2:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:44

Should we do a a live podcast show, by the way? Work towards that. The Radio City. We can start at a smaller venue. I mean, where's the VFW down the street?

SPEAKER_01 2:59

Yeah. Uh I don't think uh that would go over very well. We can make everybody watch Troll 2 and then I'll talk about it. Yeah. We could jump onto the uh the Troll Two uh Colt bandwagon. Do you think our own live show live?

SPEAKER_00 3:15

Do you have to license that? I assume you do. Like you can't just you can't just bring your Roku over and plug it in and start streaming something. Uh why not? We're not making money. Oh, we're not gonna charge people for tickets? Uh you can actually rent out movie theaters and play movies that I don't know, maybe maybe we should research it, see like the VFW will let us think of like more like the Alamo theater or something like that. Like uh um they'll like you can rent out one of their small theaters and they'll if they if they can get the print then or the I don't know. I don't know how it works these days.

SPEAKER_01 4:02

Yeah, but it would kind of be cool to have I don't know, do it at the theater. Yeah, yeah. We also watched out of sight finally.

SPEAKER_00 4:09

Yes, you came over. You got me over to watch it. It was what'd you think? I mean, you you gave your quick feedback before, but any any additional thoughts now that you've slept on it?

SPEAKER_01 4:20

Uh I thought it was great. Yeah, uh you could tell it was like it has like that certain Soderbergh flair to it, uh, that was so popular. Like he I feel like he fine-tuned it in the Oceans movies, uh, but it's there in this movie. And I I I don't know how you don't I like I don't know how you can watch George Clooney and not like him in anything. It's he's always himself, but he's always like charming and likable. And well, especially this version of him.

SPEAKER_00 4:47

I mean, it was it yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

I mean, it was a similar like to Danny Ocean, similar kind of character, uh, the charming criminal. Um, but yeah, J-Lo was great in it and it was fun and exciting, and the script was really good, which uh maybe she that's all she needs is a good script because she we were watching it. I'm like, this is so much better than Gee. Oh, yeah, she definitely didn't get it on Glee. Yeah. Um, but it was she also played like a similar kind of tough guy character in that too, and it was just so much better. Yeah, it was nice to see uh a good movie for a change.

unknown 5:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

What about you?

SPEAKER_00 5:26

Uh went to the theaters and saw the drama with Zendaya and Robert Pattinson.

SPEAKER_01 5:34

John told me about it.

SPEAKER_00 5:35

Yeah, uh, it was really good. It's um I won't spoil it. I definitely try to go into it spoiler-free if you end up watching it, but it's basically the premise is the two of them are about to get married and then there's some drama. And it's kind of marketed as a rom-com, but it's more I mean, it's there's romance and comedy, but it's it's more it's it's it's funny. It's genuinely like a lot of laugh out loud mo moments, but um, it's not your traditional rom com by any means. Yeah. It's kind of a very unique movie, but I felt like it was just really well done, well acted, great script, uh, original premise.

SPEAKER_01 6:14

Um yeah, John said that he thought the premise was really great and that it um like allow it it was the right timing. Like it was all the timing was right from the time they first met to the time they're getting married, and then the time that they're left when the drama happens to when the wedding is for them to like it's like a a real conundrum, like what do I do?

unknown 6:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:34

Um yeah, he he said he he liked it a lot.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

Yeah. It's uh I mean I I enjoy see seeing it in theaters, but if you wait till streaming, that's probably fine too. Uh it's not like a spectacle movie, but I I really I really like that that style of movie in the sense or like that the positioning of it's kind of a small i I don't I don't know what the budget was, but it and it doesn't like feel low budget, but it seems like kind of low budget indie movie-esque, and it's like a nice little like I don't know, day movie, but but meaty enough in terms of being interesting and original and all that. Like I'm glad that I don't know. Those those are the kind of movies that I want to exist in and non-IP, not you know, original uh great well done. Yeah. Have you seen The Lighthouse? Uh I've started it and I just happened to like not finish it and like keep forgetting to come back to it. Um yeah, I like I I enjoyed I probably just at this point just need to start it from the beginning, but I I enjoyed it. It's you know, it's a little like you kind of have to be in the mood for it. Yeah, yeah. It's weird and black and white and all that.

SPEAKER_01 7:50

I th I think it's my favorite Robert Pattinson movie.

unknown 7:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

It's just so interesting and weird.

SPEAKER_00 7:58

He was really, really good in the drama. Uh I thought, yeah, I mean he was you like the lighthouse better than Batman. Like, are you saying it's his your favorite performance of his or your favorite movie?

SPEAKER_01 8:13

That's I think it's definitely my favorite performance of his. I liked him in The Batman. I didn't think like, wow, this is an incredible performance. Yeah. Uh sure. Because it's kind of like a his version is kind of like a flat version of Bruce Wayne anyway. So uh yeah, I think it's definitely my favorite performance. And it's one of those movies that like I think about a lot. Like uh it that just makes me want to watch it again. I haven't seen it a ton of times, but I'm always like, that was such a weird experience that I kind of like it, it just stays on my mind.

unknown 8:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:52

Uh I just I I think about it a lot and uh I keep coming back to it like when I whenever I see it on streaming, I'm like, oh, I might sit and watch this.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

Yeah. For me, it's a second Twilight movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

That was a good one.

SPEAKER_00 9:08

Uh-huh. The one where he turns into a vampire.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

Is that uh changes? Does that unseat T2 end uh as a sequel? Yeah. The second Lord of the Rings.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

Yeah. That's that's uh that's number one on my list for sequels.

SPEAKER_01 9:29

Speaking of uh great rom-cons. Uh it was Empire, not return.

SPEAKER_00 9:35

Oh yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 9:37

Uh uh yes, Return of the Jedi was the third one. Yeah. The one that people generally list as their least favorite of the originals.

SPEAKER_00 9:48

I should just clarify. I've not seen any of the Twilight movies, and I have seen Star Wars. You don't have to lie. The people know. I mean, it's just just research, right? Just want to be a well-rounded movie critic and see all the major movies.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

I think I have seen the first one.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

I think. Uh, I know I've seen a lot of parts of it. Do you see a lot of parts of it?

SPEAKER_00 10:17

And not see the whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

Just like uh it was maybe on and I was in and out of the room or something. Or uh I think that a lot of it's like been memefied too. So I've seen clips and stuff from a lot of it.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

That's not gonna give you enough of an idea of what the movie is, though.

SPEAKER_01 10:35

No. I've definitely sat down when it's on TV and started to watch it. I don't think I've finished it all the way through, but I've seen a lot of it.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

Uh I think I think fortunately those movies are not so poorly reviewed that we would feel compelled to watch them on this, right? Yeah, I think I think they are okay. Let's see. I mean, it's just a classic thing. It was like not targeted towards us.

SPEAKER_01 11:01

So 48 for the first Twilight movie on Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah. It's a little too high. Yeah. New Moon was 28. And then Breaking Dawn's 26.

unknown 11:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:15

How many are there?

SPEAKER_00 11:16

I don't know. Are there four? No.

SPEAKER_01 11:20

There's a Breaking Dawn part two. So they may be split it into looks like they're five.

SPEAKER_00 11:27

And they're all like, yeah. 20, 26 to 49% Rotten Tomatoes.

SPEAKER_01 11:34

Our uh female young adult audience is screaming at their screens right now. Yeah. Well you know that demographic we're real popular with.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

Well, they've all they've all aged a little bit, so they're not it's like if you're really into Twilight in 2008 when it first came out, then you know, I mean that's almost 20 years ago. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

Yeah, those almost 40-year-old female young adults.

SPEAKER_00 12:03

Uh speaking of 40-year-old female young adults, should we talk about the movie today? Madonna's Epic Swept Away from 2002. Yeah. It was epic. Uh, I know you're really excited to talk about this. From the Sigh. Directed by her husband at the time, Guy Ritchie. Uh Guy Ritchie, who's, I mean, directed hundreds of movies at this point, but kind of came to fame with his first two Lockstock and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatch. Two movies that I love a lot. I'm sure. Yeah, right out of the gate, two great movies. Sure, we'll talk about this quite a bit, but um yeah. Anyway, I'll come back to it. Guy Ritchie wrote the movie as well, and I think the writer from the original said this is a remake of a 1974 Italian film, and it stars Madonna and Adriano Giannini, who's the son of the original lead in the Italian movie, and has a bunch of supporting cast. Elizabeth Banks, young Elizabeth Banks in in the movie, which I thought it was kind of funny to watch.

SPEAKER_01 13:17

Yeah, same. Um also go ahead. They said in this movie her character is 14. She was not supposed to be 14, right? That was a they were making fun of her.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

Yeah, I think they were making fun of her that she's so young compared to everybody else.

SPEAKER_01 13:31

I watched this with John and Amanda, uh, and uh we all were like, what the fuck was that about? And John was like, She's like 28, and he looked it up, and she really was 28 when they filmed this. I'm like, there's no way they had her playing a 14-year-old.

SPEAKER_00 13:45

I mean, if yeah, uh it seemed like a joke at the moment. If if they were trying to actually have her be 14, it would be very creepy.

SPEAKER_01 13:55

She was like the Ditzy girlfriend along on the trip that they all made fun of and didn't didn't think very much of.

SPEAKER_00 14:02

This movie got six percent Rotten Tomatoes, $10 million budget, and made $1 million at the box office. Yeah. Made a million dollars.

SPEAKER_01 14:13

No, it lost $100, at least $9 million. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:18

Um so uh universally paying, uh, Madonna won Worse Actress uh Razzie for this. And coincidentally, or I don't know, not so coincidentally, also won the same year Worst Supporting Actress for Die Another Day. Yeah. Um a good year for her film career. Do you remember this movie? What what did you know about this movie? Yeah, I didn't know anything about it. Yeah, I feel like this was this came out at a time that I I don't know, I I didn't see this movie at the time, but I feel like I remember a lot of commentary coming out. I remember a lot about this. Part of that is like I I love Guy Ritchie, and especially from those first two movies, which are clearly very, very different than this movie. Yeah. And I remember seeing I don't know if I saw Lockstock in theaters or not, but I remember seeing that just being blown away. And there's like, oh, this is incredible. It's very, I don't know, just crazy camera. So it was it was very like kind of over to the top and super stylized. Yeah, super stylized subject matter matter that I loved. It was funny, it was you know adventurous, it was all that those things. And then Snatch just like did that even better. Uh I bet I saw Snatch in theaters, so I don't really remember it vividly, but I've watched that movie a lot. And then this came out, and I was just like, what? Like, how can the same guy make something so different and so terrible compared to those other two movies? So yeah, I remember this happening.

SPEAKER_01 15:53

Uh do you remember blamed it on on the media trying to tear down somebody who had already made two great movies and they're like, well, they have to tear them down for something, so it might as well be this. Madonna said that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:07

Yeah. Uh were you a Madonna fan, or did you have much of a notion with Madonna?

SPEAKER_01 16:12

I'm I no. I mean, uh everybody has heard all of her music and everything. And I liked her in uh a league of their own, and I saw Avita in theaters a few years before this, and I mean I liked it. I I didn't know anything about the real Avita Peron, but uh I thought the music was good. Uh so like I was not a Madonna fan, and at the time I really wasn't a Guy Ritchie fan either. Like, I don't think that I saw anything from him until several years after this. I think I was maybe out of high school before I even saw Snatcher or Lockstock. So this was not on my radar at all.

unknown 16:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

Well, interesting uh I guess point in Madonna's career. Uh so like you mentioned Evita, she she received a golden globe for that. She got a lot of acclaim for League of Their Own, Dick Tracy. Yeah. Uh and and I mean, I I I did a bunch of research after watching this movie because I'm like, she's I guess, spoiler, she's terrible in this movie. And so I was like, is she a good actress? Because I remember watching those three movies I mentioned, Avita, Dick Tracy, League of Their Own. And I'm like, I it's been so long since I've seen any of them, but I feel like she was good in them. And so uh yeah, this this really made me wonder. But looking back, she had a ton of other movies that flopped and that she was really criticized for her performance. I haven't seen any of those. Shanghai Surprise with Sean Penn from 1986. Nope. Uh Who's That Girl? Body of Evidence. I think Body of Evidence was on our naughty November list as a possibility. I guess I I won't pose this as a quiz, but she's uh I'll just tell you, she's the number one uh most awarded Razzie actress.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

Oh, good for her.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

Yeah, with uh something. I thought I wrote this down. Oh yeah, nine wins, 16 nominations.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

Oh I wouldn't have even bet that she was in that many movies.

unknown 18:23

Right.

SPEAKER_00 18:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

Like I I know of like three now. I like I didn't even know she was in Dick Tracy until I started looking into this movie. And uh yeah, like she she doesn't even register on in my mind as an actress that much. Like I think of Madonna, I definitely think of the music and like pop star. But yeah, I was like, she's acted in a couple movies, maybe just as like for fun.

SPEAKER_00 18:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:49

No idea that she has uh 16 Razzie nominations.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

So some of that is probably just because of our ages, because she was in a bunch in the late 80s through 2000. Basically, after Swept Away, she retired from acting. Like she stopped taking any, at least like she did some voice acting and like some cameo appearances, but I think Swept Away was kind of the the straw.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

Yeah, I read a lot of reviews for this uh movie that were all like this just further proves that Madonna can't act. And I was like, huh, I didn't like I didn't even know.

SPEAKER_00 19:22

Yeah. So I think it was like that was kind of the consensus consensus opinion going into this, like that she had just had some bright spots, like all of like Avita and Dick Tracy at least, like she kind of played the same, like she played and uh I don't know, the singing like really carried along the performance, and we'll get to it, but there's a musical number in this that she doesn't even sing or she sings poorly. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 19:48

So it seemed like it was Della Reese was the singer for the song that she karaokes in this movie.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

Yeah, yeah. But her like karaoke performance is terrible, like she's deliberately like not singing well. So um anyway, do you you want to guess who's the actor with the most Razzie nominations? Uh Nick Cage.

unknown 20:10

Nope. Ooh.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

Um more guess.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

John Travolta.

SPEAKER_00 20:15

Sylvester Sallone. Oh. I think he has 11. I didn't write it down, but 11 wins.

SPEAKER_01 20:21

Are Nick Cage and Travolta up there?

SPEAKER_00 20:24

I didn't I didn't look at the list, so that's the end of my list. That's the end of my research. Fair enough. Yeah. Well, how how did you we've kind of touched on this a little bit, but how'd you think? How'd you feel about this movie?

SPEAKER_01 20:36

I thought that this was easily the worst movie we've watched. It's every week you say this. I know, but but this has been a particularly rough month. Crossroads is fine. Crossroads was fine. Cool as Ice was the previous worst movie I've ever seen. This takes that for and the reason that this is worse is this was so offensive. This movie was like I was uncomfortable watching it the whole time. Everything that happened, I was like, ooh, I don't like this. Yeah. Uh John had to leave the room for like the last half hour. Yeah. And Amanda was groaning and in discomfort the whole time. I'm like, I hate this movie. Uh list it as a rom com. Would you do you think that's fair? That's fair as a as a rom-com. Do you think that this is a is fairly described as a rom com?

SPEAKER_00 21:39

So uh I'm reviewing my notes because my notes are really funny. My process is not super structured, but like I jot down like scenes and like quotes and things like that. This movie, I just had a bunch of uh, I guess, internal monologue. Um I'll I'll I'll kind of go through the list. So one of my First, to answer your question is I can't tell if this is supposed to be funny. Dialogue is so bad. Yeah. And then like I have a bunch of notes. This isn't interesting at all. I don't understand. Also boring. This is like throughout the movie.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

Uh these are the thoughts of a confused bored man.

SPEAKER_00 22:20

Yeah. Uh so is it a rom-com? Fuck no. Like it's not funny. It's not romantic. Yeah. Uh I mean, I have huge questions about the romance part of it. But uh yeah, I mean, this there's no way it if if you're gonna put this in the rom-com category, then like every movie is a rom-com. Because I like I don't understand what a rom-com is. Schindler's list, rom-com. Yeah. I mean, there's I'm sure there was a chuckle or two somewhere. And you know, yeah, yeah.

unknown 22:50

Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 22:50

Horrible movie. Uh offensive in every way. I guess uh I should give some I should give a synopsis and some backstory.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

Wait, can I can I just because it seemed like I was pushing back on you a little bit. I also hated this movie. I was thinking about this today. If you like I I thought Cool as Ice was the worst movie we've seen so far. Yeah, at least like till now. May maybe like, you know, tied for top two or something like that. Like it was, it was up there. And then today I was like, if you gave me the option of watching Swept Away one more time, you're like, you have to watch Swept Away this week, or you have to watch Cool as Ice every day this week, I would choose the latter.

SPEAKER_01 23:33

Yeah. I feel like you could find things in Cool as Ice that would make you laugh. And like if you forced yourself through the gauntlet like that, you would you would find ways to enjoy it. There's not another there's not a way to enjoy another watch of this.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

If you told me that three weeks ago, I'd be like, what like how could a movie be worse? Yeah. They found a way. I don't like this movie made me like Cool as Ice, like by comparison. Like, I don't even know how to give star ratings anymore on Letterboxd because I'm like, like, I just now need to give negative ratings.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

Yeah, this movie redefines the rating system.

SPEAKER_00 24:13

Yeah, uh like every movie is five stars that I that I see.

SPEAKER_01 24:18

Yeah, well, I've decided I'm gonna just gonna start rating movies on how bad they are. Like I'm gonna have my worst movie rating and five star. This is a five-star shitty movie. As bad as it gets. So you're gonna go like negative five stars. It's a four-star scale, and this gets five stars.

SPEAKER_00 24:38

This is the most confusing rating system. It's a rating system on four four stars, but it's it's the opposite.

SPEAKER_01 24:44

So a so a four-star movie is as bad a shitty movie as you can get. This gets five stars, and then Casablanca is gonna be what one star?

SPEAKER_00 24:54

Zero stars. It's as good as it gets. What's what's the movie as good as as as good as it gets? Uh I liked that movie.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Uh it's a two and a half. It's a it's a two and a half. So it's right square. Oh, no, no, no, sorry. It would be a two. You're already confused. You invented the system 30 seconds ago. Well, I thought I I was like, oh, it's I'm out of five stars, but I was like, no, I want to do half of four stars because I that's what the scale is, but I forgot. I forgot already. So the Aaron worst movie scale, this is a five-star. This is a five-star out of four, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:34

All right, you want to give the pre premise?

SPEAKER_01 25:37

Yeah, I mean the premise is an completely unlikable uh rich socialite woman is stranded on a deserted island with um an Italian member of the crew that was shuttling her and her friends around Mediterranean.

SPEAKER_00 25:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

That's it.

SPEAKER_00 25:55

Uh have you met anyone as bitchy as Madonna's character was in this movie? She was uh irredeemably horrible. Like I it it made me sit in wonder. I'm I I you know, I've met people that I don't like for sure. Yeah. I haven't met anybody that's as close to like just the moment she's on screen and steps on the boat and everybody she interacts with, she's just terrible. Like she there, she doesn't say anything nice ever.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

Like there's nothing likable about her. Everything, and it's racist, horrible, mean shit. Like it's not just she's a bitch, it's like there's something wrong with her soul.

SPEAKER_00 26:43

She's just terrible, and they're going on this group vacation. It's three couples, and I'm just like, there's no way that this it just took me out of the movie. I I mean, yeah, because it was like who would like her? No, you wouldn't stay married, she would have no friends. Exactly. Like everybody would be like, No, I'm not going on vacation with you because you're terrible.

SPEAKER_01 27:06

Yeah. Can we talk about how she looked exactly like Carmela Soprano the whole movie? I could not get past it. Yeah. Every time she was on screen, I was like, it's Carmella. Maybe Carmela modeled herself after that uh that looked came uh Sopranos was before this.

SPEAKER_00 27:23

I think she was modeling off of uh I mean that look was kind of a look. Uh the uh Versace scarf stuff. And yeah. How do you feel about group vacations, by the way?

SPEAKER_01 27:36

Would you do this? I would. Uh I think that so uh dream vacation of mine has been to rent like a houseboat, like with some friends that's big enough for like two or three couples, and then just drive it around and like go fishing and swimming and how many how many rooms does a houseboat have?

SPEAKER_00 28:00

Like how can you I don't know. Can you get a houseboat with three rooms or they're not it's not like comfortable?

SPEAKER_01 28:06

It's like you're sleeping on bunk beds and and pull out convertible furniture and stuff. So it's not like it would not be a comfortable stay, I don't think, but it would be fun.

SPEAKER_00 28:15

Would you share bunk beds with other couples?

SPEAKER_01 28:17

Is this like a kinky uh vacation? Or what are you talking about? No, it's just uh you know, like you can get multi-level boats that you can rent that have a few rooms in them that you wouldn't have to share.

SPEAKER_00 28:32

I mean, it's then it's just like the are you talking about like the boat in this movie? Which what would you call this?

SPEAKER_01 28:37

It's not it's like kind of like a cruise, but it's yeah, this was like um the boat on this reminded me of like those old uh transatlantic steamer like something that like Hemingway would cruise around on. Yeah. It was an older style, but it wasn't like a new yacht or something.

unknown 28:55

Right.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

Uh yeah. I mean, I I guess that's that's that's the word.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

I don't know my boats, but yeah, it's it's like a it's a smallish yacht, but it's an older yacht to like from the twenties or thirties or something. Like not a luxury yacht. Yeah. Just normal, normal class yacht. It but it was nice, it was still nice, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:16

Mid-class, you know, not not a lower class yacht. It's like a upper middle class yacht.

SPEAKER_01 29:21

Yeah, it was it was certainly a high class yacht in its day, but it's now just got that old school charm.

SPEAKER_00 29:28

I mean, it was only 20 years ago.

SPEAKER_01 29:29

Like it's not like no, I mean, when it was made in the 20s, it was probably like a high class yacht. But when it this was filmed in 2000, it was it was not a top-of-the-line yacht, but it had that old school charm.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

Yacht is one of those words that if you say it enough, you're like, what am I saying? How does this word have a C and an H in it? Uh so anyway, the this was I mean, that you're basically describing the vacation in this. Like they the the the premise is they're they chartered this boat yacht to go from Greece to Italy, right? And then they like stop on fish and stuff like that. So anyway, this is this is your ideal.

SPEAKER_01 30:08

Yeah. I like I have always wanted to like travel to Europe on a boat like that. I think that would be fun to do the long crossing uh adventure type yacht cruise. What about you? Are you would you are you uh an ocean person? I'm not a merman if that's what you're asking. That's what they're that's what I call them ocean people.

SPEAKER_00 30:31

Uh yes, I am uh Do you get seasick? I don't know. I haven't I haven't been on a transatlantic voyage. So I don't think I get seasick. I mean I've been on like small like boat tours, but yeah, it's not like I haven't been in choppy waters or anything like that. I think I when I was a kid, we took a boat, I think we crossed the English Channel, maybe. Um I feel like I have vague memories, but I I mean I was probably like six years old or something like that. So um yeah. That doesn't count. Yeah, I haven't spent enough time on a boat to know if I get seasick. Uh I don't think this is my ideal. I think I both feel like there's something like being that close with like close quarters and like not being able like it seemed like they were just on the sea the whole time. Uh and so I like the idea of as boats usually are. Well, you know, they're cruises that like go up and down the coast. So it's like every day you're offboarding and like going out. And so like like that seems more interesting to me. I don't know. I would try it at least once, probably. Kelly is like no to cruises. Yeah, Amanda too. And I think she unless it's an Alaskan clue cruise, which I'm like, I why would I want to go to like freezing cloud? Like it's all old people too. Yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_01 32:00

It is, that's like their thing.

SPEAKER_00 32:02

But yeah, like a European, you know, Greece, Italy, summer, like warm. Like that seems like the time to be out on the ocean, not in Alaska.

SPEAKER_02 32:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:14

So anyway. Um I'll do a guy's cruise. That that seems like a gay cruise. I think that's what they call it.

SPEAKER_01 32:26

I mean, not everyone on the cruise is guys, just you and me and a bunch of girls. I mean, I'd do that. I'm not I'm not bringing girls. If they're there, that's they're just provided. I mean, they're also on a cruise. Yeah. I'm just saying, uh, since the ladies in our lives don't want to go on cruises, yeah, we should go.

SPEAKER_00 32:51

We'll just go on a cruise. Uh because I don't want to go alone. Yeah, that's weird. Uh, if we do a guy's cruise, it should be like always sunny where you invites to have the pictures of biceps.

SPEAKER_01 33:04

Yeah. Yeah. And when they snuck all the uh beard on board. And my favorite joke from that episode is when they're at the uh the continental breakfast and there's all the orange juice, and I think it was Charlie's like, what's all the mixer for? Uh it's hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 33:25

Yeah. Um, this cruise in the movie. The captain's always in the kitchen. Yeah. Notice it, like, who's driving the boat? He's basically doing nothing in the whole movie. Yeah, he's just sitting around watching them cook food.

SPEAKER_01 33:38

Yeah. There's like uh by the way, we were maybe an hour into this movie, and I was like, this feels like some foreign film. Like I didn't know anything about the actual foreign film that it was a remake of, but I like I I clocked it about halfway in that I was like, this is this the dialogue and everything about this feels like a foreign film, yeah. Where this stuff is okay. Like in 2026 America, this is very uncomfortable to watch.

SPEAKER_00 34:11

Yeah. When we picked this movie, I was like, uh, there's there's a greater than 50% chance that I'll watch the original too, just to compare it. I think it'd be interesting, and that was, I don't know, well received. And after watching this, I'm like, no way. Like I'm I'm not I I don't want to be reminded of this movie in any way. But but yeah, I see your point. Like, I I wonder if some of the dialogue was just lifted off the original.

SPEAKER_01 34:36

It was apparently a pretty faithful, like almost shot for shot remake of the original movie.

SPEAKER_00 34:42

It was around probably the time that you're talking that I wrote that comment. Like, I can't tell if this is supposed to be funny. Like they were making it seemed like they were making jokes, uh, but I just didn't get the joke.

SPEAKER_01 34:53

Yeah, would this have been a joke in Italian in 1974?

SPEAKER_00 34:59

I have to kind of look through my notes about 1970s and Italian culture. Uh but uh There was this in spaghetti westerns, I guess. Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 35:12

Uh there was um there was a lot of uh domestic abuse in this and uh a near rape. Yeah. Uh for those that yeah, let's let's get to that.

SPEAKER_00 35:25

But real quick. I just to your point, like like she called him a hairy black midget at one point, and it's like it's like he took offense. What does that mean? I mean, I know what the words mean, but to your point, I was like, is that something Italian? Like it was just like dialogue like that that seemed out out of like sort it was just jarring and how weird it was.

SPEAKER_01 35:50

I mean, I think it's from the time when Italians were treated as non-white minorities, uh, that that's like her attitude is that he's a he's a black guy and that's offensive to her, I guess. And then like the midget part, I guess. I mean, he was he seemed he was way taller than her. I don't know. Maybe the original actor was smaller, his dad.

SPEAKER_00 36:15

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it was just stuff like that that was really weird.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

I watched some scenes from the original movie, and it was like it was uh basically shot for shot, but the dad also was not small, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 36:30

Yeah, so I guess getting to I mean, yeah, moving ahead a little bit to your point. So they're on this boat and then they get stranded. The the whole setup seemed way manufactured to me. So she wakes up from a nap or something, and it's like, where is everybody? They've already taken off for these caves, and then she just yells at uh Giuseppe. Is that what you say, saying?

unknown 36:52

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 36:52

Uh Giuseppe Pepe. Like she just calls them different names throughout the whole thing. Just like she calls him PP and yeah, he's so terrible. Yeah. She I I don't know. I without going like into too much detail, she's just the worst person that you can beyond my imagination. Of just if you're like, what would a terrible person be like? That's her.

SPEAKER_01 37:15

Yeah, like I can't even believe somebody thought of all this to write it down. Questions about that person.

SPEAKER_00 37:23

She's like, I want to go see my friends, take me on a boat now. And he's like, it's getting laid, blah, blah, blah, weather. And she's like, no. And it's like, okay, why would somebody want to like go this badly? Why are the caves so far away? How are they getting back when it's dark and the weather's turn? Like, yeah, it just didn't make any sense. I was just really confused. And then the boat breaks down, they drift off to this island, and then it's like the dynamic turn. She's been abusing him for half the movie, and then he's like, Ha, I have all the power.

SPEAKER_01 37:52

Yeah, he's able he's able to survive a little better than she is. And he finds like a shack that he's living in, and he's got what clean water, and and sh and she's just like they're both cartoon characters almost.

SPEAKER_00 38:05

Like, she's just unbelievably useless.

SPEAKER_02 38:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:09

Like, I think any even like the most pampered person would probably be like, all right, this fucking sucks, but let me like figure out how to find fresh water and shelter and all that. And like, even if it's I'm bungling a little bit, she's just like, uh, I can't do anything. Yeah, she's got no survival instincts at all. Yeah. Uh by the way, I felt like there's some background shots of this island. He like goes up on this hill and is like, oh, it's a deserted island. And then there's some back there's some shots where it's like miles of miles. I'm like, there's no way he explored this entire island in 10 minutes.

SPEAKER_01 38:47

It would take him all day to get up to a vantage point high enough to right. Yeah. I I don't know. It was the the premise was stupid for sure.

SPEAKER_00 38:58

Yeah. Um, and then I don't know how much do you want to talk about the scene?

SPEAKER_01 39:03

The rape scene?

SPEAKER_00 39:04

Yeah. The almost rape scene.

SPEAKER_01 39:07

I don't know. It was just so uncomfortable. Like he relishes forcing her into this subservient role now. Like he's got all the power and he's loving every second of it. And like she was horrible to him, and like I get wanting to get revenge and like rub her nose in it and everything. But yeah, he basically like almost rapes her just to prove like I could have, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 39:31

Yeah, and that he doesn't like he makes her say that she wants it. Yeah, and then he's like, Well, I don't. And then and I mean he's yeah, he's terri like he's physically like he's just kicking her, like uh from time to time and all that, even leading up to this. And then it's like through this scene, she's like, Oh, I do love you. And then they get together. I I was just like, What? Yeah, I do not understand love. If this is I'm like, do I know what love is? Uh because this is so different than anything.

SPEAKER_01 40:13

Yeah, it's the worst case of Stockholm syndrome I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_00 40:17

Yeah, I was like, uh they're like, and the movie doesn't the I guess the movie wants us to be like in awe of this love that they have, and that they and I'm just like, at best, they're both like traumatized by being on this deserted island. That I'm like, there's no way that this is actually love. I like the creators thought this was love. I I mean that's the way it's presented, right? Like they want us to, as the audience, to feel for these people and their relationship.

SPEAKER_01 40:46

Yeah. So the whole time I'm watching this movie, I'm like, I know that the movie is trying to say something, but I don't know what they want me to take away from it. Like, there's obviously the like bourgeois proletariat angle. Yeah. Where she's the wealthy elite putting her thumb on the the poor guy, and then the roles are reversed. And then there's also the man and the woman uh aspect of it where you know he kind of gets to display his uh his value in the survival scenario. But like I the whole time I'm watching it, I'm like, I don't care. I want them both to die on this island. I feel nothing for them but contempt.

SPEAKER_00 41:32

I just didn't, I mean, again, I wrote down I don't understand, and then later also boring. Like it's just long shots of them having sex and uh interacting with each other, but I realized after like they don't talk. It isn't like this slow burn of like, hey, let me try to get to know you and your background, and like Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:53

Oh, there's something more to this person.

SPEAKER_00 41:55

Yeah, like they they find empathy in each other's I don't know, situations, or it's just like it goes from abuse over like you you do this work for me and I'll give you the food that I caught, right? To just romance, and there's like nothing in between. It's like a light uh flips.

SPEAKER_01 42:14

Like on the boat, she was abusing him, obviously. Off the boat, he started abusing her, and like neither one of them were likable or redeemable in those scenarios. But the movie starts with her being so irredeemably bad, yeah, completely unlikable. That nothing that happens in the movie is gonna make me care for her. Like she's a racist per like horrible person the whole time.

SPEAKER_00 42:41

And I'm like they they didn't even try. I mean, I I could see a world where you I mean, even even Darth Vader, you feel for him, uh you know, see seeing Anakin's journey and like here that they didn't even try to Yeah, it was weird.

SPEAKER_01 42:55

Um Yeah, you can get me to come around on Darth Vader, and I you can't even get me to like Madonna in this movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:03

So it's horrible. I have a bunch of uh, I guess, related questions. So, how long if you're the husband and your wife disappears, how long before you go back to the US? No.

SPEAKER_01 43:18

I mean, if I'm him where I'm rich, I'm staying until I find her, right? Yeah. He's not being forced back to clock in at a nine to five so he can keep his health insurance. Like he's okay. Yeah, I guess so. Uh so yeah, I would just stay till she's found. I don't uh like I don't did he go back?

SPEAKER_00 43:38

No, I but I was just wondering like how long we uh the time frame on this was also strange.

SPEAKER_01 43:43

It was like a month, wasn't it, that they were on the it felt like longer.

SPEAKER_00 43:47

Uh the way that I mean it felt really long watching the movie. But but no, it seemed uh yeah, it they didn't really say, but I would have guessed it was like six months, like closer to that. Like it didn't seem like it was yeah. Years, but it didn't seem like it was weeks.

SPEAKER_01 44:02

So Yeah, I don't I don't know. I think that I've I felt like I heard somebody say something about a month. So that was my impression, but I don't know if that's right.

SPEAKER_00 44:12

I mean that's a pretty quick that's a pretty quick turn if it's just a month too. To like fall in love with somebody and yeah. Well that's that's my other question. How long what what do you think is permissible? You're you're shipwreck, uh deserted island with another woman. How how long? I assume it's not this character. Yeah. And you know, how long be before you think it's okay for you guys to enter a romantic relationship? You're like, I'm not getting rescued. I'm married? Yeah, yeah, sure. I mean, does that change it? Is Amanda gonna be be like, well, we don't uh we're not officially married yet.

SPEAKER_01 44:51

So well, I just mean I'm in a like I'm in her situation basically where like No, you're in the situation you're in now. How long before you're like, oh uh Amanda, I didn't think I was getting rescued. That's such a deep question. Like that's uh that's like an existential question.

SPEAKER_00 45:15

I mean it's not an existential I mean, yeah, it's it's I don't know. It's one of those.

SPEAKER_01 45:18

I'm like at what what point have you hit the psychological barrier of being like my old life is over now? Right. Like I I it's unknowable. Like I I don't I don't it would have to it would depend on the circumstances, I guess. I mean circumstances that are in this movie or well I mean it would depend on like what happens in the like I it would have to be years, I think, at a minimum, where I'm like, okay, we're definitely gonna live, but also definitely stuck here.

SPEAKER_00 45:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:52

Uh yeah, and it would it would have to be years, and it would be like whatever happens in those years that would like that's what's gonna determine the answer. Like it might never happen. Um the plus this person might not be somebody I like at all.

SPEAKER_00 46:05

I mean, just assume they're like a normal average, you know. I don't know, you're making me like get too specific. Assume they're attractive. You're for you know, your friends, they're attractive, and it's you know, like three, you're talking like five years, you'd wait five years. Yeah. That seems like a long time.

SPEAKER_01 46:26

Well, I guess I'm just a little more committed than you are.

SPEAKER_00 46:29

I guess so. My plan was to take whatever number you said and say more so that I seem like I'm taking the high ground.

SPEAKER_01 46:37

And you can't even pretend. Yeah, it can't be like 10 years. Six months tops. Yeah, man, we th we did think we're getting back to civilization.

SPEAKER_00 46:49

Oh my god. Month? Uh no, I didn't I didn't say months. You said months. Oh. But but five years sounds like a long time. I feel like if I feel like if Kelly was shipwrecked, I mean I wouldn't like this, but if I like rescued her like five five years later and she's like, Yeah, uh, I was, you know, stuck on an island with George Cloudy and nothing happened because I'm still committed to you. I'd be like, Well, I I mean it would have been fine if like year three, you know.

SPEAKER_01 47:20

Like you're you're laying yourself down on the therapist couch again here with your your your insecurities are showing. Yeah. No, I mean yeah, I don't know. Like it's it's uh it's a hypothetical situation that I think it's unknowable to there's too many real real factors that go into like loving somebody or getting into a relationship with him that you can't just hypothetically like you're getting how long would it take you to fall in love with this person that doesn't exist that you don't know in a situation you've never faced?

SPEAKER_00 47:52

I'm not even saying fall in love, I'm just saying fool her out a little bit. So uh yeah, I mean it's this this is a good hypothetical because we've already established that Kelly's not gonna go on a cruise. Uh and I'm just I'm just trying to figure out, you know, if if you and I go on the cruise.

SPEAKER_01 48:09

How long it would take me to fall in love with you when we shipwreck on our guys' cruise.

SPEAKER_00 48:13

No, you said they're gonna be a bunch of women on this cruise, and so I see that you know, uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:20

I didn't say that there were necessarily going to be, they're just welcome to be. It's a free country, I presume.

SPEAKER_00 48:26

We're going on a cruise, women welcome. Oh uh would you enjoy being stranded on a deserted island? I don't know. Yeah, I mean, forget the romance.

SPEAKER_01 48:40

I think that I'm too lazy now to really embrace it. But I do like shipwrecked stories like Robinson Crusoe, and like I I used to be really into those types of those stories, but like I don't think that I could actually do it. The thought of like living outside on the in the jungle. Uh no.

SPEAKER_00 49:04

No, no, yeah. I uh this is farthest from my fantasy. I mean, I'm a I'm a city person, I think we've established already. Both characters in this treat this as if it's like their fantasy, and it's like a yeah, it's their dream scenario. They're just like life is so great, just being and I'm like, you're gonna be cold and hot and hungry and like covered in bugs, and your skin's gonna be burned from the sun.

SPEAKER_01 49:29

Yeah, and you're not like taking proper showers, and like it's just I it would be terrible. You're gonna be all bloody and cracked.

SPEAKER_00 49:36

Yeah, and you're gonna be bored to hell, and like it's taking hours to catch your fish and octopus. By the way, animals are definitely harmed in the making of this movie. Like uh I I don't know if those were fake octopi, but they looked real. They look very real.

SPEAKER_01 49:54

I remember watching it and being like, that's a pretty good prop, if that's a prop.

SPEAKER_00 49:58

Yeah. Oh yeah. Uh so anyway, they do get rescued and and they're a couple more like Madonna doesn't want to get rescued.

unknown 50:08

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 50:09

Yeah, she sees a boat and doesn't call out to them and kind of lets them leave because she's so happy on the island, she says.

SPEAKER_00 50:18

And then so what it what is the protocol here? So the the husband gives uh Pepe a reward for what keeping his wife safe? Like, are you supposed to do that?

SPEAKER_01 50:32

Is that are you are you supposed to tip the help when you're I mean I guess if you're rich if the help kept your wife alive on the island, I guess you probably give him something as a thank you.

SPEAKER_00 50:44

Why do you assume I that's just a weird I don't I didn't understand? I feel like I would be mad first. Like what happened? Why would he why would he be mad at Pepe? Well, he didn't keep her safe. They he like she almost died and she l I mean I don't know. But he was the guy. Like if if we were on vacation and you're like the guide is gonna take the guest, the hotel guest or whatever, out on this trip, and then they like are stranded for months or like you wouldn't be like, Oh, thank you. I mean, you'd be like, What I mean, uh you normal people would just be like, would start with what happened, at least. Yeah, but there's no conversations at all.

SPEAKER_01 51:25

There's just like I don't remember the scene where he gave him the gift, so um maybe uh this so it's it's very I will say there were parts of this movie that I had muted for a while because the music was so loud. Was it loud for you too?

SPEAKER_00 51:42

Uh I don't remember it being loud for me.

SPEAKER_01 51:44

It was like the dialogue was inaudible, and then the soundtrack was so fucking loud that I it was like shaking the floor. Uh I did see that this was nominated for I think one of the Razzies it was nominated for was like most uh intrusive soundtrack or something.

SPEAKER_00 52:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:06

I I I'll never find it now, but um, yeah, it it was horrible. Um, so I don't remember the scene where he gave him the pro the gift or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 52:15

So it's a henchman, so Pepe goes like he just is dejected, and I don't know. We don't have to go shot by shot. But yeah uh the husband's assistant, henchman something, gives him a bag of money like and kind of hints at he's paying him off to leave her alone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I'm like, how did they know that they're in love? Or like I I I don't know how they he could sense it. Yeah, he could sense it. Uh I spent some time taking uh pictures of the bag and asking AI how much money was in there. Yeah, uh, it was about $250,000 in Italian lira. And he immediately just hands that cash to a jeweler and buys a ring.

SPEAKER_01 53:04

Yeah, I do. Yeah, I was thinking like, you don't necessarily want to just get the most expensive one you can afford.

SPEAKER_00 53:12

Like, why are you doing this? Um I did write, this is a little bit mean, but I was just angry by the end of the movie. I was like, no wonder you're poor. I wrote that down.

SPEAKER_01 53:22

He gets a bag of cash, he immediately spends it on uh one ring.

SPEAKER_00 53:27

A hundred percent of it. Like, I'm just gonna give it all to my woman. Uh and then at the very end, he throws that into the into the ocean or something. And I'm like he threw it at the helicopter, and I'm like, You're brother, you're gonna kill her. Like she's flying away in a helicopter, he throws a ring at it. And I wrote, I was like, You're he's diving in for that after, right? Like, like that's a lot of money for like they've established that he's this poor fisherman, and it's like I don't know, I just had so much contempt for him, too. By the end, I was just like, uh Yeah, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 54:01

There was no likable character in this movie. Even the husband, who's the one who's wronged in this movie. I'm just like, I don't give a fuck about him. He's just this spoiled rich guy that is also unlikable. Like in the few scenes of dialogue he has in the movie, I'm like, oh, well, I don't like him either. Yeah, he's just a rich guy, like a rich asshole.

SPEAKER_00 54:21

So, spoiler alert, they he like tries to get her the ring. Uh it's it's in the weirdest way. It's like, just show up and talk to her. Uh I know. Like, let me send you a message. And she's like, Whatever you want me to do, I'll do. Send me a message, and then the the message is. Yeah, the message is a ring in the envelope.

SPEAKER_01 54:42

I'm like, there's no message there other than like well, it also said like the last boat at the pier. Oh, where he was? Yeah, like he was like, Meet me there. And that's where he was waiting at the end of the movie. And then the husband intercepted the message, never gave it to her, and just sent it back to him.

SPEAKER_00 55:00

And then he but he tells the clerk, only give her this envelope, only give it to her if she's alone. Yeah, and then the Andy's just running at the helicopter and playing VLF. Like, just you should have done that the beginning. If you wanted to be with her, just show up and like do the say anything thing and just be like I want to go.

SPEAKER_01 55:18

Why the secrecy? You spent at least a month on the island with this woman. You can't be like, could I just speak to her? Like, we have we have history that exactly. I'd like to nobody's forbidden.

SPEAKER_00 55:34

Yeah, nobody's yeah, nobody's forbidden him from being a rat. I I don't know, it's just so weird. Like, yeah, so the la the last like 15 minutes of the movie is this all this oddity, and then they end up not together and dragged on for so long, too.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

I'm like, this they dragged 15 minutes out for like 45 minutes, it felt like.

SPEAKER_00 55:53

And it's supposed to be this, I guess, tearful emotional thing where we're like, oh, these two lovers aren't able to be together. And I'm just like, yeah, they need to be kept apart, they're yeah, both insane.

SPEAKER_01 56:06

I don't want to hear anything of else about either of these characters. I hope I hope her helicopter goes down and he gets hit by a bus.

SPEAKER_00 56:14

Oh, it was a terrible movie.

SPEAKER_01 56:16

It was offensive. It like I was upset and like angry by the end of the movie, and like I felt nothing that they wanted me to feel. And supposedly the original is this great like socio-political commentary on men and women and and like poor and rich people, and none of it seemed to come through. It was uh lost in translation, I think. Or probably this didn't age well. I don't know. Yeah, it definitely did not age well. Like I I can't imagine it clearly didn't age well from 1974 to 2002, and it's even worse from them to from then till today. It's horrible. Well, it boggles the mind. I don't know how this movie gets made or who it's for, but I can only assume it's Guy Ritchie wanted to make a movie with his wife, Madonna.

SPEAKER_00 57:03

Yeah. Guy Ritchie's weird, his career, his I mean, even now, uh I can we move into all picks. So um have you watched recent Guy Ritchie movies? Like I I saw The Covenant, which is unlikely all picks, yeah, with Jane Jill and Hall. It didn't do well um in theaters, but yeah, it was it was really strong.

SPEAKER_01 57:26

I think I actually saw it twice, but and then I if I had to go off the top of my head, I think the last Guy Ritchie movie, like the latest ones that I really liked were the Sherlock Holmes, which was like 15 years ago. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:41

So I I mean I I really liked the the Covenant, uh, and then I liked Wrath of Man, which was uh Jason's Statham movie from 2021. It's it's not like a great movie, it's just a like almost standard like Statham revenge movie, but it's just you know it's well executed, well made for what it is. Um it's good. And then I tried, I did watch Operation Operation Fortune with Hugh Grant that also had Statham and Aubrey Plaza, and I could not finish it. It was terrible. Uh and now this was before we started doing this podcast. So my if I use the Aaron rating system, maybe it's not a zero or not a five, I mean. Um so maybe maybe we'll revisit it someday. But I was like, I think that was the first time I watched a Guy Ritchie movie in a while, and I was like, wait, how is Guy Ritchie making such bad movies? And then oh, I didn't watch it, but he did the Fountain of Youth with um uh John Krasinski and uh Natalie Portman, which looks terrible. I didn't see that, but yeah, it seems like he's bouncing between like he's able to do something like the Covenant, which is meaningful, well done, like well written, and then complete, just like terrible, I don't know, like slop, and I don't really understand it.

SPEAKER_01 59:11

Yeah, he's Mercurial, yeah. Yeah, he did The Man from Uncle too, which was 2015. So that's probably the last thing that he did that I've seen other than the Covenant that I liked.

SPEAKER_00 59:21

Did you watch the live action Aladdin?

SPEAKER_01 59:23

No, I did not. Uh I did I didn't see The Gentleman either, which it looks like that got reviewed pretty well, but I it I don't know, I somehow missed it. I didn't know it existed until we were I was looking him up for this movie.

SPEAKER_00 59:37

Oh, I did watch The Gentleman. It was uh uh Cotting Yeah, I started it. I think it started strong, yeah, the TV show. And then it I didn't finish it.

unknown 59:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:50

Uh yeah, he it looks like he's done a few TV shows lately that yeah, Young Sherlock just came out. Um which I'm interested in, but I haven't watched yet. Yeah, it's weird. Um, what are your all picks? Uh I don't know. I picked Capote just because uh Bruce Greenwood is in both, and I want you to watch Capote and get over your fear of irrational fear. It's a fear, your irrational fear of biopics. This is a Capote is a good biopic, though. It's not like his whole life, it's just a story uh from his life. Wait, have you seen uh like Do You Not Like Uh Fear and Loathing? Is that a biopic to you?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:35

It I mean it didn't feel biopicky at all. Like that's not um, I wouldn't call that a biopic.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:40

Well, so Capote is like similar. It's just a snapshot of something that happened in this person's life. Huh? You're trying to trick me.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:49

I mean, it does have Philip Seymour Hoffman, which like puts it worth it uh as a possibility for me to see, but um, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:57

You can't be uh Philip Seymour Hoffman fan if you're gonna avoid one of his performances just because it's a biopic.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:07

Yeah, one of my favorite actors of all time. And I haven't seen like the movie that he didn't know. Yeah. Yeah. Please forgive me.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:18

PSH, but yeah, maybe I'll watch it. He's holding a grudge from beyond the grave. Well, you have anything else? See this movie.

unknown 1:01:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:31

It's the best worst movie I've ever seen. If you had told me two weeks ago that I'd see a movie worse than Cool as Ice, I would have slapped you in the face. I would have called you uh Harry Blackmid. You can't say that.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:51

Uh and on that one. We'll edit that out in post.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:58

You know that's not getting edited out. I'm just quoting. It's fine if you quote something. Is it? Am I getting permission? Uh can I sing all the lyrics on the rap songs now? No, definitely not. I did call you black, I guess, so go ahead. All right. Um, not on camera. Tune in next week for uh me getting canceled. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:25

Well, if you want Aaron to get canceled, send us an email at the worst movie podcast at gmail.com. I'm Ade. I'm Aaron.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:34

Thanks for listening to the worst movie podcast.