Side by Side: Hip Hop’s Best Pairs

EL and Cheryl Poizon trade lists on the greatest rap duos—think Mobb Deep to Outkast, Run-DMC to Pete Rock & CL Smooth—debating favorite tracks and why their picks hit different. Plus: Movie Flashbacks, a Snack Time ode to discontinued treats (Bar None & Jell-O Pudding Pops), and a Spotlight CD celebrating 31 years of Biggie’s Ready to Die.

Transcript

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Yo, yo.

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Yo,

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yo. Yo, yo, yo. What's up? What's up?

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We back.

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Back in effect.

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Once Upon a Time in Music. I'm Al. I'm Cheryl Poison. And we're here with another episode. Another joint. You feel it? I feel it, yeah. I'm up. I'm up. I'm up. I'm ready for this one. This is going to be a good one. All right. Is it? Yeah, of course. It's

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always a good one,

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though. It's going to be a good one. Watch.

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We talk about good stuff.

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Yep, yep. Today's episode is about rap duos.

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Our favorites.

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Our favorite rap duos. I got a good amount. I got a good amount. I know we got the same amount on some of them.

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Yeah.

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At least two to three of them.

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We basically got the same list. But you think so?

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Yeah. Now, you know what? The song is what made it different.

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Okay.

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Our songs are different from each other. But we're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about...

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Movie flashbacks.

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Movie flashbacks.

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And our snack time.

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Snack time. And we have this week's Spotlight CD.

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All right.

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That makes 31 years old. old.

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I can't believe that.

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Yeah, that's crazy. I'm ready. You want to get into it?

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Alright, so what are we going to do? Are we going to do snack time first? Yeah, let's

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do snack time.

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What's on your snack radar? Alright. My snack time is a Bar None chocolate candy bar.

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Sounds like an old person candy.

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Yeah, it might be. I just thought of that. I'm an old person. I'm old and fine. I'm

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not going to hold it against you. It's okay. It's

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okay. Bar None is discontinue. Everything you like, they take away from

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you. Dang. Nah, well, I wonder why they take certain ones away. Maybe it's the company going under.

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Maybe because

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they don't have enough people eating it. Yeah, I think it's the company going under or something like that, right?

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I don't

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know, but

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I need it back.

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I would eat it. I bet you that the people that made Kit Kat and stuff like that, I know they didn't make those.

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You know what else I like? I like white chocolate M&M's and I usually could get them from Walmart but they didn't have them I hope they didn't discontinue them like the white chocolate peanut M&M's I

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don't remember those

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I hope they didn't discontinue them

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you know what I think they discontinued at Walmart um Twizzler pulling peels. I don't like no Twizzlers.

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You like Twizzlers?

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No, only the pulling peels. You ever had a pulling peel?

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I know what you're talking

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about. It's like the smaller string ones,

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right?

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They kind of rope. It's like a rope candy. Yeah. And they're softer than...

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I ain't never really been into Twizzlers.

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They discontinued, I think, the green ones, which was the apple.

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You don't need that anyway.

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You right. I know. I got a shirt on today, and I'm pressing it. I've been stretching and pulling at this shirt all day. If it wasn't a pajama shirt, I wouldn't care. But I've been pulling at this thing all day. All right. Since I'm fat. What's yours? My next one, I guess. I don't remember you talking about this one, but you say you talked about this one. Jell-O Pudding Pops.

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One of my favorites. And they took them away.

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Yeah. So in the 1960s is the year that they started freezing regular puddings. Like, I guess, you know, when you're at home and you find new ways to do stuff.

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Pudding Pops was the joint.

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Yeah, so then 1979 or 75, they came out with a Pudding Pop, like an ice pop.

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Chocolate, vanilla, and a swirl.

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And I think the leading... Mascot. I'm going to call him a mascot for this one. The leading mascot for this was Bill Cosby.

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Bill Cosby. Get yourself a jello pudding pop. Shout out to Bill.

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How was that? That was a good Bill impression?

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Was it?

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Yeah.

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Don't quit your day job.

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Yep, so that's snack time for us. Yours is a bar none. Mine

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is

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a jello pudding pop. A jello pudding pop. So if you do find any of these things?

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They ain't gonna find them.

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No?

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But Jell-O could bring them back.

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Yeah.

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If you bring them back, I promise you I'll buy some.

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It's gonna taste different. I know it. It's not. It's got to. It's not. Everything tastes different.

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It's not.

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What's one of the main things that tastes different now? I think... Ah, Twinkies. It's less... Soda.

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Soda tastes different now.

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It do?

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It don't taste different to you? I don't drink it too much. I think soda back in the... I don't drink it too much either. I only drink Sprites. If I have a soda, it's a Sprite. Clear sodas? Yeah.

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Yeah, I started doing that also when

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I was... I used to like Cherry Coke, though. I used to be hooked on Cherry Coke. When I was pregnant, that's all I wanted was Cherry Coke.

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For real? Mm-hmm. All right. Well, you want to get in today's... We can, we can. Either, it can be a DJ in the person.

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It gotta be.

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Or it could be two lyricists. Yeah. And they don't have to be a group all the time. They can all, you know, they can team up. They can form a group, yeah. They can team up and do projects and stuff like that. All right, well, what's your first one?

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My first one is the infamous Mobb Deep.

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Yes, they're on my list too.

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The infamous. I love me some Mobb Deep.

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What's your favorite song for now?

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Favorite song is Right Back At You.

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Yeah.

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You bucking me, I'm bucking right back at you.

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Yeah, that's a hard hip-hop beat.

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Mm-hmm. Get into your thug mode.

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The infamous Mobb. Prodigy is my favorite on here.

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I don't have a favorite. I can't pick between the two.

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Yeah? I think Prodigy might be one. And it might only be because Prodigy came back out alone, and he did all those mixtapes.

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Yeah, because he had the HNIC. That was his solo

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thing. The whole little series. Yeah, yeah. All right, well. The Infamous, that's from the Infamous album, Mobb Deep. And this song is featuring Ghostface Killer, Raekwana Chef, and Big Noid.

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Who's the richest nigga in the projects? Who's the richest niggas in the projects? Yeah, that's my

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favorite. That's my favorite. 95 is it. I don't care. Yes, the 90s point blank. 95, I mean, like the stuff that came out in 95, 90. The stuff that came out in 95, 90. 96 and 97 was

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crazy. You got to add 94 too. 94, 95, 96, and 97.

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I got to figure out what came out of 94. Only reason I say 97 because I know a lot of Jodeci stuff was in between that. 95 and 97. The 90s was

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lit. Oh, man. I was outside in the 90s. You was? Yes. I was at the

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club all the time. Double dutching? You was a double dutch girl? You look like a double dutch girl. Like, you was outside?

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Not too.

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much. I

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can't double dutch though. For real? I haven't done it in a while but I'll say I used to. Things don't be the same when you get older. Yeah your knees. It's not like riding a bike.

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You gotta rub your knees in between the jumps and stuff like that. I know what you mean. I'm with you on that

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one.

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Well your favorite was Mobb Deep and I'm just gonna have to piggyback on that. My favorite Mobb Deep song has to be Give Up The Goods on the Infamous also, 1995. I

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think that was their best tape.

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I don't know. I

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think that was their best.

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Just the beat. I don't know. The Mobb Deep's Murder Music album.

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See, Infamous, I could play it and just let it rock. Oh, you know what? That is

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your favorite album of all

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time.

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Of all times, ain't it?

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No, not

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of all times.

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I got so many, I can't really name them.

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I got a lot. Because we brought this out recently, right? I pulled the hard cover out, the hard case.

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Did we have that?

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I think I had it here one day. I think so. I think I do have this.

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It might have been.

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Yep, so that's one of my favorites also. Mobb Deep. Well, they are one of my favorite duos. Mobb Deep. Queens

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get the

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money. Yep, yep. And my favorite... song from them is give up the goods and that also had a big noise on it yeah that's it

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his verse was ill too on that

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yeah he got a it might be one of the best because he killed that one everybody sing that part yeah everybody what you got

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all right my next group is a classic group eric and parish Making dollars Better known as EPMD

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When was this? It's probably 95 1990 What's your favorite album from them? Favorite song?

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They got a lot of albums Gold Digger

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Yeah, Gold Digger

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She's a gold digger

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I bet

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I bet

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Yeah. And they

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had their own little style.

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Oh, what the heck.

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Let's get married and have a son named Eric. No big deal.

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No sweat. Yeah. That was a good one. Eric Sermon do have some good solo albums.

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Yes, and he's a

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great producer also. Yeah, he got good solo singles because I can't really remember like a full album. I

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can't either. Yeah.

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He definitely got hits. That Marvin Gaye sample song, Just Like Music.

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Oh, that's one of my favorite songs.

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I like that song, yeah. They still play. And you know what? I got to find out one day. Because I don't know if Keith Murray was supposed to be on the song or not.

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Do you think?

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But he shouts him out on there.

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Maybe because that was his crew. Keith Murray. He

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said. Redman. How's it go again? He said. Just like music. And peace to my man, Keith Murray. And that's it. I really got to ask Keith Murray, like, why he shout you out? I think he was just shouting

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him out because that was his boy. Yeah. That's

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what

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I think.

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It was a little weird. I could be wrong, though. It was a little weird. We're going to have to get the backstory to that. Yeah, let's do that. Backstory to that. All right. EPMD. EPMD was yours. And I'm going to piggyback on that one. He looked at my list, y'all. I must have. Well, 1989, they came out with a song called So What You Saying? And this was... A hip-hop staple beat. Yeah,

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because everybody was playing this in their cars.

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I'm telling you. At this time, this is when Benzie Boxes was out. If you don't know what a Benzie Box is, you can slide the whole radio out and you walk around with the radio on the handle. This is when that was out. 1989. 1989. I remember walking around. What a

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time. What a time to be alive.

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Going to the pool or something with my uncle and my brother. Or going to the park, the jams in the park. And they got those. They walk around with the Benzibox.

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Boy.

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Alpine, too. Alpine Benzibox. Was

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the big phones out then, too?

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Yeah, they was out. But my brother and my uncle, they didn't have that. They had beepers when beepers came out.

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Everybody had a beeper.

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Yeah.

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I had me a little clear beeper.

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You did? Oh, yeah. unknown amount of beepers.

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My homeboy got it for me. I thought I was that shiznit.

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What? What kind of homeboy get you beepers?

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He

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got me a beeper. Dang, he trying to get that leash on you.

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It wasn't like that. He was my homeboy. Yeah, I bet. My homeboy.

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Alright, what's your next one?

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My next one is Nice and Smooth.

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Oh, boy. So it's another one that we... You know what? Our next list, we can't have the same ones. That's it. I'm just going to say that now. I'm not scratching that off my list because you got it. It's whoever come with it first.

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Okay.

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What was your favorite song from them?

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More and More Hits. Yeah.

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To that beat.

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Yeah.

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1989. It's from the album called Nice and Smooth also. Self-titled.

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Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.

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And Nicest Move was like,

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at

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that time, duos wasn't that big,

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were

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they?

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Mm-mm.

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It was

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mostly either a lot of people in a group or solo people.

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Yeah. Yeah, it is. 89, the duos that was out was, what other duos out? EPMD.

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That's a classic. He's coming back with more and more hits.

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I used to play this song out. More and more hits? I had that cassette.

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I had that cassette

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too. Because CDs wasn't out yet, right? I played it. CDs wasn't out, was it? No, not then. I'm going to have to find a CD or this cassette because I don't think I have that. I don't have no nice and smooth CDs.

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They got some joints.

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Yeah.

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Sometimes I rhyme slow. Sometimes I rhyme quick.

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Yeah. Early rise. Hip hop junkies. Hip hop. Yeah.

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All right. What you got? Okay. It might be your turn.

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It's my turn? Mm-hmm. Oh. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have to piggyback again. This is my last time piggybacking.

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Yeah. Lighting off me, y'all.

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Nice and smooth also. My favorite song for them was No Delaying. And when this came out, this is when the dances was out. Scoop and Scrap. Scoop and Scrap. You did the, you know, the kick over the legs. Yeah. Oh, another duo that was out.

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Hey, yo, kick it with your rhymes like a fortune teller.

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Another big duo that was out there was Kid N Play.

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Oh, yeah. How could we forget about Kid N

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Play? Yeah, Kid N Play. And they from Queens, ain't they? I think so.

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Queens? I think they from Queens.

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Yeah. Yep, so that was mine also. 1989. No delay and nice and smooth. A strong duo right there. Strong, yes. Yeah, strong duo. Classic. Yep. All right, you on your own now. All right. I'm not piggybacking off of you no more.

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You're not

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looking at my paper, y'all. F... F... F... You come up with one that I came up with. I'm not even going to say mine no more.

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You can say it. Because we bound to have the same

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ones. Nope, I'm done. I'm on my own now.

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You want to be like me so bad, y'all. Go ahead. Okay, my next one is Gangstar. Okay. A great duo. It's the DJ and the rapper.

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Yep. The DJ was DJ Pamir, and the rapper is Guru. Rest in

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peace to Guru.

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I got a Guru album. You remember Jazzmatize? Yes. That album's worth$300-something. Yeah, and I got it unopened.

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What don't you have?

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I got a lot of stuff. Do

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I

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have that? I'm looking for it.

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All right.

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Cassettes somewhere.

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You do? Jazzmataz? I got a lot of cassettes. They had like one or two singles on there. I remember back in the day. Mine open though because I listen to mine. Let me get it. That's what we're going to do. I don't know where they at. You don't know where none of the cassettes are? No. No CDs?

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I might have some CDs.

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I don't know. Let's look into it. Let's look into that. We need to find out if you really got some. Just somewhere. All right. Well, my next one is, well, your next one.

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Yeah.

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Gangstar.

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Gangstar. My favorite song is Dweck. Okay.

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Featuring Nice and Smooth.

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Nice and Smooth.

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I remember the video of this. I

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remember it,

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too. It was summertime. Everybody was outside.

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Nice.

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This album came out in 1994. Hard to earn. I see,

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94, 94. Yeah.

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The name of the album is Hard to Earn. The name of the group is Gangstar. So it's them together, they're named Gangstar. Guru is by himself and DJ Premier is... is a producer. He's somewhat by himself.

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He's extraordinary.

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Yep, yep. Let's see what I got. I got to find something to top that

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one. You can't top that. You heard that beat.

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I know.

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I wanted to get up and dance just now.

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You should have. You should let it go. Well, my next one is from a mega group. And the only reason I say it's a mega group because they have over... Eight members.

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Yeah, that is a mega group.

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And I say seven out of the eight, eight out of the eight are good. Like, they're real good. I ain't

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even going to ask you who you think is the weak link. The weak link?

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I

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ain't

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going to ask you. Don't say it. I'm not going to say it. Because I can't really say it. Because each one of them... Brings

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something different to the table.

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Yeah, like they say back in the day, each... Each one of them go off. Yeah. But the name of the group is Nice and Smooth. No, not Nice and Smooth. I'm sorry. Smith and Wesson.

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Smith and Wesson.

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And the name of the song is Sound Boy Barrier.

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You think a lot of people know this song?

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If they wore fatigues, yeah. If they didn't wear fatigues, they don't know.

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They don't know? Boom, bye, bye.

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Because

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that right there, the beginning of that, it either could be a reggae song or hip-hop. And that one fell under the hip-hop.

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Yeah.

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1994, Smith& Wesson. No, 95. I'm sorry. I'm messing up here. 1995,

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Smith

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& Wesson, and the name of the album is The Shining. And they had other songs on there. They had a

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lot of other songs.

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Bucktown and a whole bunch of stuff. The only thing I think they messed up with, when they came out with a single... Like you would see like a video of the single, but The version on the CD or the version on the tape was different. And they always would do that. So then they started doing singles. Maybe they

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did that to have it played on the radio or whatever.

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Yeah, probably. They

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probably had a lot of explicit lyrics and stuff.

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Yeah, well, sometimes they would change the whole beat and everything. You'd be like, I don't like that version. They

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had to make it more radio friendly. You know who did something like that?

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LL Cool J. Pink Cookie. I used to love that song. He had like a totally different version on the album. He's

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in a plastic bag. Being crushed by a building.

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Yeah, but that's it. Smith& Wesson, Soundboy Barrier, 1995. What you

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got? Okay, my next group is Pete Rock and CL Smooth. Oh. The Chocolate Boy Wonder.

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Hey, yo.

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Chocolate. I like chocolate.

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I'm good. I'm good. I'm going to let you say all of that you want to say about me. All

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right. I'm speaking for the ladies. Ladies, y'all love chocolate too, right?

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They're like,

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no. Pete Rock.

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We like vanilla.

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The chocolate and the caramel. Pete Rock and CL Smooth.

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Pete Rock and CL Smooth. All right. What's the favorite song from them?

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One of my favorite songs is Skins. Yep.

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That was a good

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one. With Grand Puba.

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That gave me, like, freestyle vibes. Listen to that beat. Yeah, that's like a cypher beat. Like, everybody.

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Everybody get their turn. Give me the mic. Give me the mic.

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Yep. And this is from 1992. Mecca and the Soul Brother. That's the same album. Wow, that

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was 92?

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Yep.

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I probably shouldn't even have been listening to this.

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Yeah, Skins? Definitely not. Because I think Pete Rock has a... Not Pete Rock. What's the name? Grand Poobah? Grand Poobah. I think he got, like, explicit lyrics.

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Grand Poobah is...

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Explicit.

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Grand Poobah's ill, too.

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Yes, he was, especially back then. Yeah. That album also had, like... They reminisce over you? Yeah. That T-Troy or whatever? T-Roy. T-Roy. All right, let's see what I got. What you got? I'm going to take it back a little bit. I don't know why we didn't bring this up a little bit earlier, but this group, I'm going to call it a two-man group. because really it's two men, but they happen to have a DJ. And they might, they gotta be the number one group. Group of all time? Of all time, they gotta be.

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Guess what? I started to put them on my list

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too.

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Uh-huh.

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Run

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DMC.

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Run DMC. I was dancing so much in my seat for that one. That was 1988. The album is tougher than leather. And also, if you're a hip-hop fan, they had the movie, too.

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They had the movie.

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And I like Jam Master Jay in the movie. He was the thug of the movie.

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Rest in peace to Jam Master Jay.

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Yup, yup. And that was my next one. That was my next one. I got maybe about two more. What you got?

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I got two more and a mention. Not two more and a possible. Two more and a possible, like we're playing spades. My next group is Outkast. Okay. You went new. You went down south. Take it down south on y'all.

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You went down south. I'm

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like, sorry, Miss Jackson. That's one. They got a lot of

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joints. Yeah, they do. I think some of the ones that I like from them are not even. Yeah, not even. even singles popular yeah everybody knows everybody know this song yeah everybody knows i i would think you would say so fresh and so clean

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i like that one too but

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yeah or the one everybody loves was that uh what's the name of that one international player oh okay

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Yep,

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that was the year 2000. The album was Stankonia.

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Outkast, big boy. The

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group is

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Outkast. 3000, three stacks.

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Outkast. Well, you know I like hardcore rap. I like hearing about shooting, robbing. I like that too. You do? I like robbing music. And I like this video. This video is probably one... This is the second video that I've seen with a whole bunch of guns in it. This album came out in 1994, and it's by a group called M.O.P., the Mash Out Posse. And their favorite joint is How About Some Hardcore? How would you like it?

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I just watched State Property, saw them in State Property.

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Yeah, they played this,

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right? Yeah.

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94, 95, and 96. If

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anybody is believable, it's them. I really believe that they was doing everything they said. I

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think they were.

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Everything they said they was

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doing. I think they were. And they from Brownsville. Brownsville was rough. Rough. It's still rough.

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Yeah.

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But how about some hardcore? When this came out, I don't know if you went to house parties. But when the house parties would play this, oh my gosh.

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It would go crazy in

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there? It's going to be a fight. It's going to be a fight. It's going to be... A whole bunch of pushing each other around. You know, something's going on when it's come on. Or when you walk in and that's playing, you got your little bop. You know, you with your boys. And

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you got your nine in your back. Yeah, I wouldn't tell that.

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In New York, you couldn't have that. I definitely had the box cutter,

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though.

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Okay. Had the orange box cutter. You got to have something. You know, the box cutter. You push it up, uh-huh. Yeah, I had that.

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Okay. It's the box cutter.

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Yes, yes. That's how it was in the 90s. You couldn't go nowhere without a box cutter. And

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you

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had to have something on you. A knife. A scalpel? Something, right? Anything. Man, I've carried so many crazy stuff with me. It was one time, you know, the thing that closes the door, the closer on the screen door?

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Yeah.

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You had that? Yeah, I was carrying that around in my book bag to hit somebody. So you broke your mama door? Nah, I found it somewhere. And the funny thing about it, I was hanging out with some guys and they had a stolen car and they didn't have nothing to put in there to start it. And you used that. I let them use that. I was like, yeah, go ahead, use it.

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Oh my God.

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You know. That was the 90s.

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They was going to have to get a technic shot after messing around with you.

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Nah, it's you. They end up crashing the car. You stabbed somebody with that. They're getting a technic shot. They crashed the car. They didn't make it nowhere.

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The little

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thugs. Shout out to Wes Brayton.

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Go ahead. Oh my God. All right. My next one. One is the classic, the most classic group of all time.

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Oh, you think so? I think so. Born and run DMC. They might

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be neck to neck.

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They might be. They neck to neck. They might be. I know who you're going to say.

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And it is Eric B and Rakim. Rakim is on everybody's list.

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I don't know why. To me, he's overrated.

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No, don't say that. I love Rakim. Rakim was different back then.

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Yeah, but there's a lot of people that end up being different. Rakim

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changed the way rap was going. You know how many other people did? I came in the door I said it before That might be an

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argument

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It might be, but Rakim changed. He changed the game. You think so? I think so.

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Here we go.

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My uncle

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was a DJ, and that was the part he would bring back a couple times. Yeah,

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because that was the best part. Yeah, I think... I'm taking off my coat. I'm clearing my throat.

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That was a super hit. Like... You from Queens.

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Rakim is a legend.

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I spent a lot of time in Brooklyn. This is what you was hearing going by.

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In the cars. In the BMWs, the Mercedes. Everybody had they dope rides.

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I'm going to go back. I'm going to go down some. Audis. I'm going to go down some. You up there. I'm way up there. I'm in the hood. I'm going to go with the 98 Oldsmobiles. The Delta 88s.

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They was playing this in the BMWs. All the drug dealers had this

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playing. Drug dealer music. This is drug dealer music. It is. Look at the drug dealers on the back of the cover. Yeah. There's a A lot of famous drug deals on the back of that cover. That was a strong one. That's a

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good one. I don't know what he talking about.

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Rakim.

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Overrated. Rakim

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is on the list. Rakim can never be overrated.

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He's overrated.

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No, he's

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not. I don't know why so many people like him that, as much as they like him.

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Rakim, the God MC.

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I saw something yesterday. Jody Watley went to a Rakim album signing, or was it a book signing? They went crazy because Jody Watley walked in there. But think about it. Jody Watley going to see him.

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It was big, right?

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It was even bigger.

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See? Rock him. I don't know what he talking about. Why? His raps are that good? This is going to be our last show. But

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why do you think that?

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He just changed the game. He changed the way people was rapping back then.

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So guess what? What? I'm not sure of the year. But an artist's name... Humpty Hump came out. And he changed it too. Did he? Yeah, that was going crazy. He thought it was two different people. I

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don't think he changed the game.

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Okay.

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Humpty Hump?

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Yeah, that's the happy

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music. Oh, do me, baby. I don't think so. Yeah, it was dancing. I don't think so.

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Digital Underground.

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So you comparing Humpty Hump to Rakim?

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No, just, you know. I'm just saying they changed the game too.

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I think my homeboy been drinking a little bit today.

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Nah, let me see who else changed the game that they don't worship like Rakim.

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From back then, who?

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Ah, from back then. This was, what year was this? 84? Special ed. That was a big one. Big Daddy Kane. Well, Big Daddy Kane gets his props.

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He does.

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But I think he was better than.

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You think he was better than Rakim?

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Rakim, yeah. Rakim's albums wasn't

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too tight. Big Daddy Kane was good. I'm never going to take nothing from him.

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Raw.

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He was different too. He was different. He had a different type of style.

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Smooth operator.

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He was some chocolate too. I don't know about that part. I need another female co-host cuz. I'm speaking for the ladies I guess He was too old for me but he was still cute

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I'm gonna speak for the fellas on this He did have Madonna

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Did he?

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And Who else was that? Naomi Campbell.

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Because he was

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fine. In the pool.

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He was fine. He was tall. Tall, dark, and handsome. That was Big Daddy Kane. And he had, what is it, two slashes or three?

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Oh, yeah. Two cuts. Two cuts. Three cuts in the eyebrows.

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He had everybody doing that. Two cuts.

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Yeah, it was two cuts.

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It was either two or three. I can't remember. You know my mind bad.

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You're trying to wild out. All right. We're on your last one.

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All right. This is my last. This is my... Possible.

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Your last.

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My possible is Audio 2. The 2 is the audio. I

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already know the song. I

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got a brother by the name of Gizmo.

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I already know the song. This beat right here.

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That beat is classic.

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They play this now and they still go crazy. This is a handful of hip hop.

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People call me milk. I feel no guilt.

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All right, what dance?

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Was I dancing back then?

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What dance was this? This had to be. This is before the WAP. And it's crazy because I remember the video shoot. I was little. Tompkins Pool in Brooklyn. They filmed a video there. Was that that song?

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Can I remember that video?

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Yeah, they was dancing. The girls was,

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what

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dance they doing? They was doing a whole bunch of popping, pumping. It

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takes two, something like that.

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That kind of dancing. That kind of dancing. Yeah, that kind of dancing. Yep. That's

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a classic.

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Yeah, that is.

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Audio 2.

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Audio 2. I think this came out in 88. I get

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money, money I got. I feel real hot.

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That's how it is. You can ask Giz, Oscar.

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Man. I was jealous. It's all your fault. You know, after this came out, I brought, I think it came out two more albums after this. I didn't even care about no song. I still went and brought the album because of this.

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Yeah, because this is like a classic for real. If you don't know this song, you might as well don't even.

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Oh, my gosh.

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Don't even worry about it.

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They had a whole bunch of stuff. They had like three singles, but top billing.

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Yeah, was the top billing. It's

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still. Yes, it's still hard. A super classic. If we was going by numbers on top duos, this group probably right here would be number two for me. Y'all wait to hear it. This peanut butter and jelly duo is, I mean, I'm just going to play and you're going to know who I'm talking about. If you don't know, it's from the album Only Built From Cuba Links, 1995. Because

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technically, they're not a group.

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Ghost and Ray. But

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they are. But they are a group. I think they're better together than separate.

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Of course. I don't want to say nothing bad about any of the Wu-Tang members, but I don't think Ray Kwan can make classic albums without them.

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With nobody else, yeah. You're right. They like peanut butter and jelly.

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Yeah.

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Now that's my... In my top five of tapes, yeah. I play that tape so much, that purple tape. The purple tape. The purple tape is the best.

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You know it's a staple. When they call it, they don't even call it by the name of the album. Yeah, they just call

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it the purple tape.

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Call it the purple tape.

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And if you don't know what the purple tape is.

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Yeah, this ain't the podcast you need to be listening to. Yeah. The purple tape. Yep, that was. Yeah, that

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was a good one.

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Ghost and Ray. I call it Ghost and Ray, but it's Ray Quanah Chef and Ghostface Killer, 1995. On a little album called The Purple Tape Or Only Building Kilts I played

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it so much I popped the tape I had to go buy another

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Yeah See I don't remember what happened to my tape I wish I had it now I don't have it now I got the album It just made what 25 years That purple tape is somewhere Wherever my other tapes is at 25 years or 30 years I

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think it's 30

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Yeah, it is 30. 30 years this album came out. I remember when this album came out. I remember watching every single video trying to see, oh, they might be in such and such area because, you know, when you're from Staten Island.

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Yeah, they from Staten Island.

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You want to see

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like. They put Staten Island on the map. Oh,

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I don't

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know.

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That's a.

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Who else is from Staten Island?

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The Force Indies. Audio 2. Audio 2 lived on Staten Island for a long time.

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They put Staten Island on the map. Yeah, they did.

SPEAKER_00 38:25

They did. I tried to argue it. That was one of the best

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groups. Wu-Tang. They really need to give Wu-Tang their props.

SPEAKER_00 38:32

I think they're slowly giving it to them. But it depends on what area you live in or who you're talking to. Because if you say who's the best group, if you're down south, they're going to say

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outcasts.

SPEAKER_00 38:48

If you're up north, they might say the locks. But if you tell them... Wu-Tang got people in Japan with Wu-Tang cymbals. Yeah.

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Wu-Tang

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is ill. You can argue that one.

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And it's good because all of them could do their own thing and still sound good, and then they come together and be even better.

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Yep. You're right. You're right. All right. That was mine. Yeah,

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that was my last one.

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You ain't got no honorable mentions or anything, do you? It was audio, too. That was my honorable. I don't think I have any honorable. That was my possible. Okay. I'm going to let you go on that one. Well, let's get into it. Since we talked about 30 years, this year, 1994, a little album, a little album named Ready to Die came out. by the Notorious B.I.G.

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Yes, I'm ready.

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And, uh...

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Ready Spaghetti.

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This made 31 years this week. It

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don't even seem like it's been

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that long. 31 years. Ready to Die came out. If you know Ready to Die, it has songs like, uh... Warning.

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Who the fuck is this?

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Yeah.

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Me and my bitch.

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Yeah.

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Big Papa. Have you heard that?

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They got...

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Juicy, The What with Method Man. That was one of my

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favorites. Mm-hmm. One More Chance was on this album.

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Like that, Mommy?

SPEAKER_00 40:37

Yep. But this is when they were still doing skits on albums. And... Ready to Die. It's a

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classic.

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It's the album. We're looking at the CD right now.

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The little baby

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on the

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cover.

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The baby on the cover. The infamous album cover that Nas had supposed to have stolen. I know you didn't hear that, right?

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Ain't nobody going to talk about my man. Nobody.

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Nas stole the album cover. Nas didn't

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steal nothing.

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Like Ghostface and Raekwon said, they even caught his little album cover.

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My man didn't steal nothing. My man had it first.

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That's what they say?

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Yeah, my man had it first.

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Whose album came out first?

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My man.

SPEAKER_00 41:26

Yeah, it did. Oh, so they was talking about Big.

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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You right. Because they were cool with Nas. They were cool

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with Nas.

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Yeah.

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Biggie bit off my man.

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Yeah, Biggie.

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Shout out to my man. He know who he is. They caught his little album cover trying to get fly and all of that. Holla at me, Nas.

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Holla at me. So that's what we're going to do. Holla,

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holla, holla.

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We're going to have you do

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a holla. Holla, holla,

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holla. Holla, holla, holla. Holla,

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holla,

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holla. A holla message to Nas every time we record. Holla,

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holla, holla.

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Nas is aight. I'm just trying to get you worked up. Well, let's get into movie flashbacks. Movie flashbacks. Nas, holla

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at me.

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What's your movie flashback? All

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right. I just watched this the other day.

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Okay.

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Mo Money. Mo Money. Mo Money.

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That was the first time you saw it?

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No.

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Oh.

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I just watched it recently. And it had a great soundtrack.

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Oh, yeah. Of course. That had... What's that guy?

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Karen Willow was on it. Mint Condition. Ralph Tresvant. Janet Jackson.

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There was one guy. Jeff Redd.

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Was he on there?

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Jeff Redd had the main single for that album. That CD or cassette, you can't find on no social media platforms. For real? I don't think so. While you talk, I'm going through and see if I can find

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it. We had some great joints. Karen Wheeler, I Adore You, Mink Edition, My Dear, Ralph Tresvant had Money Can't Buy You Love.

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Grant Poole was on that too. Johnny

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Gill was on there.

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Yeah.

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Let's Just Run Away. That was a good soundtrack. Great soundtrack.

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I'm trying to see if... The

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Best Things in Life are Free Janet Jackson and Luther. You know if Luther was on there?

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Not Luther.

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Luther.

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Let's see. I think Jeff Radcliffe. Luther

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Vandross. I don't remember him being on there. But once again, you know my mind is bad.

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Let's see if I spelled his name right. Jeff Redd. Let's see. Yeah. With two D's. Yeah. Wasn't this on there? You called and told me?

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You sure that wasn't strictly business?

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Hold on, let me... It

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could have been Strictly Business. It might have been Strictly Business. With the guy from Living Single. It was. TK Carson.

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Gosh.

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I'm telling you, the main one was Ralph Tresman's song, Money Can't Buy You Love.

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Yep. Oh, yeah.

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adore you Karen Willer

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from soul to soul yeah you remember that alright I'm sorry for the Jeff Red song but

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that's a good song

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I forgot about that that was a good song you

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called and told me I think that was strictly business

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that was strictly business I think alright I'm sorry this is once upon a time in music and sometimes I mess up

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sometimes we

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both mess up it's

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okay it's okay

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what else we got no one's Perfect. What's your movie flashback? My movie flashback? Okay. I know I told you. I sent you a message. Told you. I usually don't let you know ahead of time what my movie flashback was. But this movie here, 1975. Let's do it again. Y'all, he went way back. Yeah, because I'm like, oh, shit. This was Bill Cosby and Sidney Poitier. Now, they teamed up and did like two, maybe three. It could be more than that. Three movies, I think they did together. And they were all classics. This movie had... John Amos in it. He

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got me with this one, y'all. I ain't never seen this

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one. No? J.J. from Good Times was in it.

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J.J. was in that?

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Yeah. I'm gonna watch

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it. I'm gonna watch it.

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He was a boxer in this movie. And

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it better be good.

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Alright, I'm gonna tell you what the movie's about real quick. The movie's about Bill Cosby and Sidney Poitier. They were trying to make money. Sidney Poitier knows no how to hypnotize people. So they went out of town to a big boxing match. J.J. was the boxer. What's J.J.''s real name? Jimmy Walker.

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Jimmy Walker.

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He's a boxer, but he sucks. So they sneak in and hypnotize him to be real strong. So they place big bets that Jimmy Walker's going to win against John Amos and the other guy that plays Biggie Smalls. You know, the real Biggie Smalls.

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The real Biggie Smalls.

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I forgot his name is Clayvon something Clayton Clayton something. But that's what this movie is about and I don't want to tell you too much more because I just told the whole movie. Yeah.

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I

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don't even

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got to watch it now. I don't watch it.

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Watch the other one first. Another one they teamed up is Uptown Saturday Night.

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Okay.

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That one is just like the movie uh The lottery ticket.

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I've seen a little clip of it. They got robbed or something and they took the lottery ticket?

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They basically went to an underground gambling spot and they got robbed. The lottery ticket was in the guy's

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wallet.

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Wallet. So, you know, they're trying to get it back and all that

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stuff. So did he know it was a winner?

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I think he found out it was a winner. So he was like, it's in the wallet. How are

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they going to get that back? They knew who robbed them?

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Yeah. They found out who did it. But it's a good one.

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That's kind of like my life. I thought I was going to have the winning lottery ticket too. I had so many things planned.

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Both of them are...

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I'm going to watch it.

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I'm going to watch it tonight. All black cast, if I'm not mistaken. Like, this is, it's not the black exploitation movies. What year was this? This was 1975. Let's do it again.

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I might watch it.

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All

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right. All right.

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Well, is that it?

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That's all I got.

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That's all you got?

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Yep.

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All right. You ready to go?

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I guess.

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I guess we'll see these people next week. I'm Al.

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I'm Cheryl Poison. And

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we'll be back. We'll see y'all next

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week.

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Peace, peace.