Turning Redundancy and ADHD Into a Business Breakthrough

What happens when life throws you two huge curveballs - redundancy on maternity leave and a late ADHD diagnosis?

In this episode of Lemonade Leaders, Riannon Palmer sits down with marketing strategist Sophie Griffiths, who shares how these moments shaped her journey from corporate life to building a thriving business on her own terms.

Sophie opens up about:

• The shock of being made redundant while on maternity leave.
• The trial-and-error of testing business ideas while raising two young children.
• How an ADHD diagnosis reframed the way she works, and why working with her brain, not against it, became the turning point.
• The lessons she now shares with other women on creating businesses that give freedom, not burnout.

This is a story about resilience, self-trust, and finding the right way forward when the path ahead looks uncertain.

Find Sophie via her website, LinkedIn or Instagram.

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Transcript

Riannon: 0:00

Welcome to Lemonade Leaders, the podcast about conversations that do good and feel good. I'm your host, Riannon Palmer, founder of Lem-uhn, a feel-good PR agency for brands that care. Each episode, I'll be chatting to brilliant people who've turned life's lemons into something meaningful. This week I'm joined by Sophie Griffiths, a marketing strategist who helps women create businesses that give them freedom rather than take it away after being made redundant on maternity leave. Sophie spent years testing ideas before an A DHD diagnosis changed everything. She now works with her brain instead of against it. Building a thriving business while raising two children with a DH, ADHD and a SD. Hi Sophie, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Hello. I'm very excited to be here. It sounds like you've had quite a few, lemon to Lemonade moments, so you are the perfect, guest for this

Sophie: 0:54

podcast. I know. Well, when I was like, which, what's your lemon moment? I was like, oh God, which one shall I pick? I mean, there's so many.

Riannon: 1:02

You know what though? I, after speaking to so many people who have had these lemon to lemonade moments, everyone is like, actually, they have made me the person I'm today. So maybe the fact that you've had more means that you have become an even more amazing person. Let's, I'll hold onto that. Yeah, let's, let's go with that. The optimist in me anyway. Absolutely. Yeah. We'll go with that. But take us, take us back to your early one when you were working and then you were on maternity leave and made redundant.

Sophie: 1:29

Yeah. So, way back in 2016, so I was, what was I, about nine, 10 years into my corporate career. I was on maternity leave with my first, baby. My eldest, she was like a really long awaited, baby. So we had some real, we had troubles conceiving and it'd taken us a long time to get there. So I was really excited about going on maternity leave. Kind of got about six months in or so, and then, yeah, I got a message saying it was a big reorganization at work. So that kind of started the whole process. In the end, I accepted redundancy and in the short term it's, it felt like a really kind of strategic decision. It felt quite logical. I got quite a good payout and it felt, oh, okay, I've got this like lump of money that can help me start a business and really. At that point, I had never thought about starting a business up until that point. Like I wasn't someone, I did say most

Riannon: 2:22

normal people think about it. I, yeah, someone suggested it to me as well. But unless you go to like an elite school, you're not usually told, oh yeah, why don't you just start a business?

Sophie: 2:32

Yeah, I know. It's interesting, isn't it? I feel like there's two sides. There's the ones of us that like, so I didn't have, like my mom and dad didn't work for themselves. Like I really didn't have any role models of anybody who like ran their own business. But I do speak to quite a lot of people who, you know, who start their business as a side hustle, who like have this real like yearning. Like I never wanted to, you know, work for a corporation. Like I never had that. I loved my job in corporate. I loved, like, I really loved my corporate job. But when I had, you know, I had this baby who was very, very much longed for and I didn't want to at that point. I mean, we're talking about 2017, zoom wasn't really a thing. Remote working wasn't really a thing. I mean, it doesn't sound like that long ago. She's only eight. But the landscape there of flexible working was hugely different. And really, if I wanted to go into another corporate job at a level that would pay for the equivalent childcare that I would need, I just, it wasn't really available. So I, very quickly realized that if I wanted to, Kind of start earning that kind of money again. I would need to build my own business up. So I said, okay, I can do this. What, what can I do? What, what might be good? What might be a good thing for me to do? and because I say my job, the corporate job that I had was in the airports. I was head of premium for British Airways at hes row. Initially I couldn't really, I was like, well, what? I mean I can't like, you know, run a team from home. Like, I can't like run an airport team, so what am I gonna do? So, it took me a while, a really long while, I would say to find out what that bit was like, what is it that I wanted to do? And I've done all sorts of things over the years. But I would say now, at this point, eight years on, I feel like I'm kind of, kind of realized what the magic is and like what I really wanna be doing. What type of things did you test out on the way? Oh my gosh, you would not believe the things I tested out. I started with. so I started, training to be a social media manager. That was good. but I didn't really want to then do social media management, so I was a bit stuck kind of there. So I decided that actually maybe I would use my skills, like in social media to run my own business. So I started off helping moms with, in that first 12 months, like finding trusted support. So I built a membership. Then I started working with those incredible experts who like knew loads about like baby development. So I trained to be a sleep infant, sleep coach. I did that for a while alongside both things, but I also trained to be like a breastfeeding supporter as well. These are very much in my like baby days. You've also very good transferable skills for your own kids. Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, that is probably not a surprise that I have. I had really terrible sleeping children, which I think really like spurred beyond to be like, I need to understand this more. Then I kind of then evolved the business of working with women's health and wellness experts more broadly. So I helped them build their businesses. Then I trained to be ads manager. so that was in 2020. So I actually did the training for the ads management while I was on maternity leave with my second during. And then since then I have pretty much stuck with ads management. well, no, that's not true actually. I've pretty much stuck with ads being the core strategy I use. I don't do a huge brand management anymore. Now my business has evolved, evolved more into training, which actually I would say, like training and, working with groups is actually my, like my real skillset. That's what I really love doing. And I kind of use ads as one of the mechanisms. So, yeah, that's kind of where I've got to over the eight years, which ironically like, you know, actually ties massively into what I did at corporate. you know, I ran big teams. I had a team of 350, I had a direct report team of 10 running teams and training and groups was, was what I loved doing. But I think I had to work out what that looked like for myself. Like what would I be training and who would I be training to? It all worked out in the end, but I sort of had to go through the journey to get to this point so that I had something that I could teach and train.

Riannon: 6:23

Yeah. But also still so good to have those transferable skills. I think even maybe you don't think like sleep coaching and things like that is that useful in, in what you do now, but it's still that kind of communicating with people and teaching and it all helps us become those rounded people when we learn different things along the way.

Sophie: 6:39

Yeah, I learned a huge amount actually about, yeah, coaching and kind of like that gentle support of like, you know, it's, you know, when you are supporting like parents who are in really vulnerable positions, they're really struggling with sleep or they're really struggling with breastfeeding, you are not just gonna come in really hard and just tell them what to do and just be like, you need to just do this. Like, well, maybe some people do, but yeah, that wasn't really my style. Like just do this. Like, well, why isn't it working? Well, you didn't do it right actually. It's like really developing, like building that rapport. Understanding their perspective and kind of coaching them through it so that they can really like, feel great about what they're doing and get the results. So yeah, it did. Absolutely. Like there's lots and lots of transferables together.

Riannon: 7:17

And then I know you said that a diagnosis of A DHD later that really made you realize how your brain works and changed the whole way that you work.

Sophie: 7:26

Yeah, absolutely. So in all the way through this, I'd say probably like the first good for like five years of me running my own business, as you can hear, like I sort of hopped from one thing to another. Even within that I had different offers. I'd start with like a group program than I do a one-to-one, and then I'd try this and I, I like, I loved it, but I wasn't building the revenue that I wanted to build, and I found it incredibly frustrating. I just couldn't seem to make it like all kick into place. So, During, like during my second baby, that challenge, obviously it was well running. I guess the strategies I'd used all my life to cope with all of the, like, differences I guess in my brain I'd never really even knew were differences. Like I just assumed everybody, like, had the same thing. They started to really like come under a lot of pressure. I just found myself just not coping quite as well, just like dropping a lot more balls, feeling never feeling on top of stuff. And then my eldest started school in 20. Notch and I was like this, you know, having a child starting school, like having get there on time with all the right and having a baby and having a business that's. Yeah, the, like it really, the pressure was insane. And I just happened to listen to a podcast actually on another business owner who'd found out that she had a DH adhd, and she was talking about it, and as she was talking, I was like, oh my God, I really think that's me. And at first I was like, didn't really do much about it. Like, you know, in my mind A DHD was like little boys running around the classroom. Yeah. Like punting off the walls, you know, like, I was like, that's not me at all. Like, I'm really high achieving. I've held down stable jobs for years. I've built my own business. It doesn't feel like that stereotypical A DHD. And then I just, the more I kind of looked into it sort of slowly, the more I was like, oh, I really do think this is, this is me. so I went and I got a diagnosis. I say that like, it's really easy, it's not really easy to get a diagnosis went and we actually went privately in the end because the wait list, like in our area for adult, A DH ADHD diagnosis is like five to six years. Crazy. Absolutely crazy. Like financially it wasn't something that we were like, oh yeah, like that's a throwaway. We won't even think about that. But that's the impact it was having on my life. That was like, it had to be prioritized. So yeah, I got the diagnosis and then started medication. and then also started really, really under trying to understand my brain, really understand like all of the, not just the challenges I have on. Maybe that are different to other people, but also like the, the mindset challenges I have, like the beliefs about myself, like that I, you know, that I flitter about from thing to thing and that I never can, like, you know, I can never stick with one thing and I'm always late and I'm really chaotic. And the more that I kind of realize that those are actually just. Beliefs I'd held because of like, 'cause of my A DH adhd. And the more I could then unpick them, the more the business started to fly. And the more actually I realized I just needed to stop fighting my brain and stop trying to run a business in a way that, and like, and not copying people online, but you know when you see someone who's like doing really well and you're like, oh yeah. Like they're running a membership. Mm, that looks like a great way. Yeah. I should run a membership. I'm gonna do that. And then actually realizing that. One of the things I now acknowledge is that I, we, I call it starter energy. I have really big starter energy. I love starting things. I love launching things. I love initial big energy, you know, maintaining, things is, is really not my jam. And. I found and like now I'm able to do it because I have systems and team in place to support me and to kind of do that continuity. But like when you're growing a business, you like don't have a team, like you know, it's all on you. And so I had to start making decisions that like actually supported my brain rather than like were just presenting challenges before I'd even started. So yeah, that was kind of when I started shifting the business and making changes, which has led to, yeah, the business kind of growing quite significantly in the last few years.

Riannon: 11:32

Yeah, I think there's that whole conversation about A DHD and women. It's only been recent, like past five years or so. So there's still not as much awareness about the different characteristics in men and women for example. But it's been really great to hear more voices speaking out about it. 'cause for so many people getting a diagnosis and just understanding what your brain is or understanding maybe why you think differently can be so empowering. I think it's interesting. Kind of thinking that you were just following people and, and doing a certain thing and being inspired by people. But I think actually everyone has different brains and we all need to think about what's best for our brain and, and, and not just think that's the best idea. I've spoken to someone recently and they had a B2B business and they said, I love what this consumer business is doing. I think I wanna do that, but actually. In terms of marketing, for example, you need to think about who is your customers, what are you doing, and actually have that unique plan rather than just following what everyone's doing. But it's, yeah, it's tricky, especially when you're a business owner and try to do it all and wear all the different hats. So sometimes we just wanna be able to copy people and think if it's worked for them, then hopefully it'll work for me.

Sophie: 12:38

Yeah. It's really hard, isn't it, to, especially when you are, when you don't feel like your business is working quite how you want it to. And it's like, I don't really know what change to make. And then you see someone, like recently I keep seeing stuff about actually, working with corporates. So like, you know, you see that I working with corporates, save my business or, you know, working with corporates is 50% of my revenue or, you know, this is how you can work with corporate successfully. And like even now I'm like. Maybe I should be working with corporate. Like maybe that's, you know, and then I was swiping a carousel the other day and it was like, you know, the process of like finding the right person and then putting a pitch together. And I was like, oh no. Oh, I don't wanna do that. Like, I know that's like my whole, too much for me. Way too much like hard work for me. I was like, I'm not putting a proposal together. Absolute, no. So then it's like, oh yeah, it's just that reminder. It's like, it's brilliant that that's working for them, but I don't need to go down that road. I'm not missing out on anything. It's not something that I like, I need to do right now. I think it's just that it's really hard, isn't it, in a world of endless comparison and access to, to, you know, social media access to all this. Information. I think it's really easy to always think like maybe there's a better way. Maybe there's a d maybe. Yeah. Oh, they're doing it like that. And that's, maybe I should try it like that as well. And there's

Riannon: 13:53

so many, um, so many opportunities. I know one thing that when I first launched my business, I had so many different business ideas and I was like, I'll just do this and this and this. And actually it was that thing of try and focus on one and do that business well and maybe down the line. So now I've got like a next thing in my, in my phone where I write down. The several other business ideas, but yeah, it's so easy to get distracted, I think. But like you said, you need to be able to follow it through and making sure that your one business is doing well before you could have all these side hustles.

Sophie: 14:21

Yeah, exactly. And I think if you can get one business working really well and have systems and like, you know, team. Even if that's really small, that can then free you up to look at other things. And similarly with offers as well, often clients come to me and they sort of, clients tend to work with me where they're doing really well with like one-to-one or I've done For You Work and they're ready to scale with a group offer. So, they often come to me and they're like, well, I've got this idea for this group offer. And then I thought I'd also do this 27 pound thing. And then what I might need to do is like a small course just to like, to warm people up to get them into the offer. And it's like, actually if you just focus on one. To start with, let's get the group offer working really well. Let's get it really consistent. Let's getting continuous clients in place. Then we can look at these things on top as well. But like, if you're doing all three at the same time, it, it's too much and it's just going to confuse your audience and you know, it's overwhelming for your brain. So, yeah, so you, you,

Riannon: 15:13

you learn by the time you do something. So if you do something once and you can get those learnings, then you can adjust your next offer or whatever you're gonna do.

Sophie: 15:21

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And you might find that once you've done the group offer, it's like, oh, actually that's not, you know, I'm gonna change the angle slightly. Or the ideal client's not quite right. And if you built out this huge funnel, often people come to me and like they spent a lot of time or money or energy on building out these huge, like very high tech in depth funnels. And then it's like if we change something like, oh, well actually that's not for your ideal client, is it? And then having to go back and unpick all of that is really tedious. Yeah. So yes, I would always kind of recommend. Testing out, like doing beta offers, like working with it first before you can commit wholeheartedly.

Riannon: 15:56

And when you were speaking about your diagnosis, I thought you were gonna say mm-hmm. That your child had started school and that someone had suggested that they might have a DHD. And that's how you got a diagnosis. Because I hear this story so much that people have gone their whole lives, and then when the child, because of the school system we're in now, everyone's a little bit more up to speed on, on different, different brains and how they work. but actually it was you who got the diagnosis first, and then your children later got a diagnosis.

Sophie: 16:21

Yeah, I know, I do hear that a lot as well. Like, oh yeah, I was like doing the assessment for my daughter and realized that this all applied to me. yeah, mine was very much the other way around. We didn't, we always knew that with my eldest there was something going on that wasn't, that was a bit challenging for her. But she, like quite a lot of girls and like me at school when I was younger, masks beautifully at school. So the school didn't really pick up on anything at all for the first few years. It took quite a lot of, a lot of me. Working with them, showing them what was going on at home to, to help them understand that actually she might be okay in class. Like there was one example where, you know, she seems fine in class, real good girl, good girl behavior, you know, that real like teacher's pet loves to be given a task like that real like high achiever vibe, very much me. and they're like, she's doing really well. It's like, and I'd have to kind of say to them, yeah, but last night when she was gonna bed. She said like when she was doing math today, it felt like her head was gonna explode because of all the noise. And what she's not doing is what the, a little boy who's feeling the same internal feeling might start shouting out or get up and run around or hit the person next to them and like, like outwardly, show that distress. What she's doing is like zoning in and going really inside of herself and sitting there tensing her whole body waiting for this horrible experience to be over. and it took me a really long time to get the school to understand that she was masking. 'cause I think the conversation has come on a lot for children, but nowhere near enough for girls. And certainly not girls at mask and understanding, especially children like, my eldest who has autism and a DH adhd, the tug and the push and pull between what those, what her like lived experience actually is day to day. So yes, I got mine first. That actually really helped me then understand what she was going through and kind of really empathize with her. and then she got her a DH ADHD diagnosis at the end of last year and then her autism diagnosis, more recently over the summer.

Riannon: 18:13

Wow. Really recently Then.

Sophie: 18:15

Yeah, really recently. I mean, I, you know, it's, it wasn't a surprise. I mean, we've been on waiting list for nearly two years for both of them. So like we sort of knew, that that was the case. We've worked with an occupational therapist for a few years now, supporting her and my youngest as well, who we think probably has a DHD, but she's a bit young to go, for a diagnosis yet. But we kind of have, we've approached it a little bit more like, let's get support for the day to day and make our lives a little bit less challenging, and then we'll go for the diagnosis as a secondary, because that gets you quite often, like the support you need. I think that's, that's what

Riannon: 18:46

I hear so many people doing at the minute because it's so hard to get a diagnosis. Adults as well. Yeah. So lots of people are just adjusting to how their brain works. and then thinking maybe in the future when things aren't as crazy.

Sophie: 18:57

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And like as an adult, like I think the A DH ADHD one is slightly different because you get access to medication if you want to try it. And so it feels a bit more like, okay, well if I wanna try the medication, I've gotta go for the diagnosis. I think with autism, I think it's really helpful to understand your brain. As an adult, it doesn't act, you don't actually get anything from it. It's more just like it's really helpful for a child, like if we wanna get any HCP or if we, you don't have to have a diagnosis, but it's incredibly helpful to have that kind of body of like evidence of what's kind of going on for her. So that was more the push for us to get that kind of diagnosis there as well.

Riannon: 19:32

I have a question which might be beyond you because obviously just 'cause you've got those lived experiences. I'm now thinking that you're an A DHD expert. But when you were were talking, I was thinking obviously there's this gender differences in the attributes and then, and then what's, diagnosed these days. But do you think. But it could be because they kind of taught experiences to young girls, for example. 'cause young girls are often taught to be nice and to not make too much noise. So that's why maybe the experience is more in their brain than little boys. That's my hypothesis. After speaking with you.

Sophie: 20:05

Yeah, I definitely think there's an element of that. And, and it's interesting, we often talk about it presenting differently in boys and girls. Like there's actually not a gen as far as I'm aware, anyway, again, I'm not an expert. there's three kind of elements. There's like hyperactivity, I'm gonna forget attention deficit. And then there's combined Often what we see is like little boys have a hyperactivity and then the girls that are more masking have the inattention. However, what's really interesting is that my youngest, I mean, she's the little boy, like she has the little boy, A DHD, and I think it's easy to kind of gender stereotype it, but actually it's much more about how your brain works than it is your gender. But I agree in the sense of like. Little boys when they're sort of rough and running about, it's like, oh, you know, he's just got a boisterous, he's got a lot of energy and it's not really, whereas little girls, it's like, calm down. Do you wanna come over here and sit and do some drawing? Like the way that the, I think the actual A DH ADHD is a gender specific, but the way that we respond to the DH adhd, yeah. Is very gender specific. And I think that, yes, I done quite a lot. Like understanding my nervous system and my daughter's nervous, both of my daughter's nervous systems, and my eldest goes into, so, you know, you've got like fight flight and then there's one that's also Fawn. and that's the one that she lives in a lot. So she doesn't, like, she cannot bear being told off. And it's this, it's the like deer in the headlights. That's how I think of it, like the fawn. So it's like if I can get someone to like me and be kind to me and, that will stop me. This will stop this like feeling of panic. So she's like your classic, like, you know, teacher's pet, she loves being given a job. She's very, she's perfectly behaved. I mean, they had this, I don't particularly agree with this behavioral method, but they have like cloud and the sun on, you know, and if you're naughty on the cloud, like she never went on the cloud. And honestly, I think she would've been distraught if she'd ever been on the cloud. Whereas my youngest, She, she lives much more in that, like more classic fight flight. She will, like, she's more likely to kick you than she is trying to like, than, than she's to butter you up to be nice to her. And so yeah, understanding how their nervous system protects them has been really important to help them then settle their nervous system as well.

Riannon: 22:18

Yeah, it's so interesting 'cause there's the kind of, the gendered societal expectations of what people are taught are still so present, even though it is 2025 and it feels like things are changing. I, that kind of reminded me because there was this study called, I think it was called Be Nice Girls or something like that, by the Harvard Business School. And it was about, girls are taught to be nice and that's why they don't ask for promotions and they don't try and get ahead in the world where guys or little boys that aren't taught that. So they think that they deserve to. Get things so they will ask for things and demand things in life. Yeah, it's really interesting. I, I've like always tried to get my nieces non-gendered toys and things like that and get them the truck and then stuff, but there's still such a, a lot in society and it doesn't really matter when it comes to like pink or blue or that type of toys. It's more just about that experience that you hope that they're gonna think that they can have the same opportunities. But still when they're doing those studies where they get little kids to go and draw stuff in schools about what is a police person look like or what is a CEO looking like, it's still male dominant. So yeah, it's a crazy environment and I dunno what the solution is at the minute because I feel like lots of us are trying to be more positive and, and create those kind of non-gendered environments. But, yeah, doesn't seem like that's an easy solution. Yeah.

Sophie: 23:30

No. And I definitely think it's, yeah, it's, it's cycle breaking, isn't it? And it's like, I think it will come over time, but it's just how long it's gonna take. And like, yeah, the more you have to keep, like, challenging it over and over again, because you're right. Like even now, you know, you'll think, like for example, we, doctors and nurses, we've done quite a lot of, you know, at home there's just, they, the girls I think would say a doctor as a, as a man or a woman, but they're quite, they're quite good at that. And then you say something else like firefighter, for example. And they're like, yeah, like they'll talk about men and you're like, oh God. Yeah. Okay. We obviously haven't, I haven't been able to show them the fire, fire. Women are women, as much clearly as like, as we have doctors and police. So, yeah. So there's just, it's just that ongoing thing, isn't it? Showing. Yeah, I've been loving,

Riannon: 24:19

recently. I know obviously the lioness, the English women's football team have been doing amazing, but now there's been loads more representation and news stories around the women's, rugby team, which has been amazing. Mm. Because definitely haven't seen any female rugby players in the news until very recently. So hopefully that younger generation can think I can get involved in these, these sports, especially rugby. 'cause I think it's always seen as like, oh, little girls don't wanna get involved with that. It'll be kind of, you might get a bruise or something like that. Us. So it's been really, really inspiring and hopefully there will be more positive, yeah, thoughts and and representations in the future. Yeah, no, I totally agree. Yeah. I always ask people at the the end of every episode, what piece of advice would you give to someone in your situation, but you've kind of got these two different, situations. But it'd be interesting to hear what advice you'd first give to someone that has been made redundant on maternity leave. And then it would be interesting to hear what you advice you'd give as well to someone that is potentially thinking their brain might work a bit differently and looking to get a diagnosis. Yeah, it'd be interesting to hear what your advice is for both of those situations.

Sophie: 25:22

Yeah. To be honest, I actually think my advice would be the same. I think my advice would be trust yourself, trust your gut. And I think going back to that point about like the gender stereotypes, I think as women sometimes we take on a lot in the world trying to be like the right thing for, you know, what's the right thing for everybody else. Like what do, what should I be doing? How should I be doing it? Like, do I really need a diagnosis? Like, you know, that might put people out or that might not, you know. My parents might feel uncomfortable that they didn't realize I had a DH ADHD or you know, will it really make a difference? But ultimately, I've spoken to quite a lot of people around the ADHD side of like, I dunno whether I should get a diagnosis or not. It's like, to be honest, if you are thinking that. If you're at that point where you're thinking, you like, well, should I, shouldn't I? You probably, it probably will help because generally if people have a DH ADHD and it's not impacting their life at all, they generally don't even worry about getting a diagnosis because they're just like, well, yeah, I resonate with that, but it's not really impacting me. Whereas when you are really considering it, like trust yourself, trust your gut, um, and the same with when you've been made redundant. Like whether you have more of a job, like, I don't know, an accountant where you could actually just do that freelance. Or whether you're like, okay, I had a job and now I can't just replicate that and I need to do something else. Your gut not just following what everyone else is doing, just like trust yourself, trust your gut. That's what I wish I'd done more of over the years.

Riannon: 26:44

Yeah, I think that's something you learn as well. I think the older you get, the more you realize, actually don't listen as much the, the noise around you and listen to your own advice and your, your gut feeling Quite often. It knows what to do. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And where can people find you if they wanna hear more about what you

Sophie: 27:01

do? I'm on Instagram, so at sophie Griffith Co. And my website is sophie griffith.com.

Riannon: 27:09

Amazing. Perfect. Thank you so much, Sophie. It's been really interesting to hear both sides of your story. Amazing. Thank you so much for having me. If you enjoyed today's episode of Lemonade Leaders, hit Follow and like for weekly episodes. Until next time, keep making your own lemonade.