Building What Your Community Needs, Faith, Risk, and Responsibility, with Isaac Isiko

What happens when a doctor decides the future of healthcare needs more courage, more technology, and more heart? In this inspiring episode of Unapologetic Leadership, Isaac Isiko shares his journey from medical school in Uganda to AI, engineering, and public health innovation in Canada, while building life changing initiatives that support vulnerable women, youth, and underserved communities.

From overcoming fear and family resistance to launching SafeMom Uganda and mentoring future global leaders, Isaac reveals why you do not need all the answers to begin. Sometimes the next step changes everything.

About Isaac Isiko

Isiko Isaac is a passionate public health researcher, entrepreneur, and youth mentor currently pursuing graduate studies in Population and Public Health at UBC’s School of Population and Public Health. Holding an MPH from NIMS University and a BTech in Computer Engineering from Marwadi University, he specializes in global health, infectious diseases, and health systems strengthening.

As founder of SafeMom Uganda focused on maternal and child health, Orbit Scholars focused on global education access, and Asili Apex Foundation focused on youth empowerment through skills and mentorship, Isaac leads initiatives transforming lives across underserved Ugandan communities. With more than 35 publications and experience as a peer reviewer and mentor, he combines rigorous research with bold action to create lasting social impact.

In this episode, Isaac shares why taking risks creates opportunities most people never see, how technology and AI can improve lives instead of replace people, the power of mentorship and purpose driven leadership, why progress matters more than perfection, and how faith, resilience, and service can shape a meaningful life and career.

Connect with Isaac:

Email: isaacisiko12@gmail.com
Phone/WhatsApp: +1 (236) 862-7683

Websites:
 https://orbitscholars.com/
https://safemom.org/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/isikoisaac/
X/Twitter: @isaac_isiko
Instagram: @orbit_scholars
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/isaac.isiko.5/

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Welcome to Unapologetic Leadership. If you felt stressed, overwhelmed, wrestling with the imposter syndrome, wondering if you're just not good enough, then this podcast is for you. So here's your host, Corey Dunham.

SPEAKER_02 0:21

Welcome to this episode of Unapologetic Leadership. I have a wonderful guest, Isaac Issiko, who's at the University of British Columbia. He's a graduate student in epidemiology, also AI and machine learning in public health, which sounds really interesting to me. And he's also open to other research collaborations. And he's a dynamic health researcher and data scientist. So welcome, Isaac.

SPEAKER_03 0:56

Thank you, Corinne.

SPEAKER_02 0:57

Yes, you're very welcome. So tell me more about what you do and how you impact the world.

SPEAKER_01 1:04

Yeah, like as in my name is Isaac Isiko. I'm pursuing my PhD in population and public health at the University of British Columbia here in Canada. Before coming to Canada, like I did my medicine and surgery from Uganda. Then I be taking computer engineering from India and my master's in public health. So like here, majorly, like my areas of focus on improving population health and reducing inequalities, especially among the vulnerable groups of people, the communities. But alongside that, like I founded like three initiatives. One of them is called Safe Mam Uganda, which is a maternal and child health platform that aims at improving the maternal and child health, remote and underserved communities in Uganda. I also founded like Obit Scholars. It's just like a platform helping people, especially the youth, get access to high-quality education. Mostly like the youth in Africa, then also like the Assili Apex Foundation, which I just founded of recent, which is a growing movement dedicated to equipping the vulnerable youth with education and life skills. Across all these platforms, like iMenta, iResearch, and I design solutions that give people a fair chance to live a health and respectful life.

SPEAKER_02 2:22

That's pretty awesome. You do quite a bit. And what made you get started in this area of either public health in Uganda and the other different places? What made you get started in all that?

SPEAKER_01 2:34

Yeah, like I think when I was at medical school, I realized that my passion is in the community, improving the community rather than like in the laboratories and hospitals or curing. So like I felt passionate when I go in the community, I listen to people's problems and challenges, more especially in the health side of it. I felt like this should be like my area. I can use like my expertise to come in and help like people and see like just put a smell on the face of people, like most especially like people who are whose voices are not heard. Like, for example, like the struggling people like in the communities, like the remote areas. So that was the spark of point when I tried reaching out to communities. You see people struggling, but their voices are not being heard. So I was like, yeah, with these skills, why shouldn't I just come in and see how I can improve the lives of people?

SPEAKER_02 3:29

Yeah, I think that's very cool. That is awesome. And not always easy. Uh, I know you and I, we were talking earlier on offline before this recording. You were talking about just some experiences, and I think either I can't remember if it was young moms who or single moms with kids and other different types of things. Can you tell me a little more about that, of the types of people you help? I know you said kind of marginalized, those who don't maybe have a voice or aren't heard, but do you have any other examples of people that you help and or what that looks like when you do help them?

SPEAKER_01 4:05

Yeah. Uh let me start with the SEFMAM. SelfMAM, like it focuses on women in the remote areas of Uganda, women who don't have access like to health care services, quality health care services, and we put up that platform on how they can navigate how we can help them like get access to relatively quality health care services, most especially the antinental care services, which other women, privileged women like in other parts of the country, are like are not accessing. Then, like in the Sili Apex, we deal with magnolia youth who are at higher risk of higher risk of getting exposed. For example, like youth who dropped out of school, the youth like who are at higher risk of drug and addiction. How can we integrate them back into the community and give them a formal education and equip them with a skill? And like they can still have that sense that, yeah, like this life like after this. So that's what basically we do. Like we just look for people, we just focus on marginalized communities, like the women, like the youth who have been like exposed to drug addiction, who have dropped out of school, child deliver. There is a lot of child deliver in Uganda. Small kids, like they grow up, take up parental role at an earlier age. But it's our responsibility to identify such people in the community and see how we can give them like a better platform on how they can get through life.

SPEAKER_02 5:39

Wow, that's a lot. And as you said, educating people is so important and really bringing access to public health that um a lot of people in other areas need. And I know here in the US, where I am, it's I know people talk about I just heard just saw a post on Facebook where somebody said public health or good health or access to medical care shouldn't be a privilege, it should be a right for everybody. And I know that's an opinion and a view. Everybody has their different views, but there's a lot of places, especially outside the US, that don't have anything available because it either costs so much or just the technology lags and the help lags compared to what the US has maybe initially. So I really appreciate your efforts in this because I know it's not an easy task, and there's probably a lot of sad stories of people who just aren't supported or just don't even have access to things. So I think that's I think that's a wonderful thing. And even from where you started from, like you mentioned earlier, that you started medical school and then you then you ended up getting a degree in engineering. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_03 6:48

Yeah, that's fine.

SPEAKER_02 6:49

Yeah, and then you end up getting is a grant or funding through the government to per to continue to pursue public health, is that correct?

SPEAKER_03 6:59

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 7:00

Yeah, I think that's awesome. Can you tell me about that process a little bit? How you secured that that grant or that funding to continue to pursue public health?

SPEAKER_01 7:11

Yeah, I think when I just graduated from uh school in Uganda, I was like, I was on a hunt lookout for opportunities to advance my academic career. So I was like throwing applications here and there at different universities, like different organizations, like in the US, different countries. Then I think the first country that gave me an opportunity was India. The government of India to study in India scholarship. But this time around, it wasn't in the line of medicine. It just came like coincidental, like I applied for something else, then they gave me something else. Then I was like, Oh, I'm a believer, I'm a Christian. So I was like, hey, maybe God has a plan for me in this area. So I was like, okay, because like even everyone at in my family, like my brothers, my mom, they were discouraging me. They are like, hey, how like, why are you leaving like medicine? Then like you are going to do maybe computer engineering and all that. We don't see this being feasible and all that. So, but um someone who is passionate about trying out new things, I don't like, I don't fear risking. I'm a risk taker because I believe it's through taking risks that we can discover a lot of things that we may not be knowing. So yeah, I took up the computer engineering. It was challenging at first, but later on, like it became fun and enjoyed it. And trust me, like, if someone asks me right now of medicine and computer engineering, like which area like would stand out and defend like with the whole of yourself, it would be computer engineering because it has equipped me with the quantitative skills. Because right now the world is going like we are moving away from the manual way of doing things to the technical way of addressing challenges. Let it be health, finance, and all that. So it has really helped me like to equip me with the skills, it has been the best foundation for everything that I'm doing right now.

SPEAKER_02 9:12

No, I think that's great, that's wonderful. Because as you're saying, a lot of tech AI, STEM, all these different things people are focusing on right now, and a lot of the people-centric or heart-centric things are not being considered as much. And I like how you and many other people have used either AI or technology to improve people's lives instead of just leaving people's lives behind. So, and the fact that you were discouraged even by your family, and I think we all get that at times, especially if we're entrepreneurs or we're mavericks or we're kind of on the leading or bleeding edge of something that maybe hasn't been created before. And there's a lot of skepticism, like, ooh, that's never been done. So that could be seems impossible. But as you said, as being a Christian and trusting in God and having faith in what God could create, I feel God gave you that idea to create to think of that. And it's like, well, geez, if I thought of this idea, really, that's no different than a mobile phone. That's no different than a building that's been created because none of those were on this planet thousands of years ago. Everybody had to think of these ideas and then create that possibility of having the building or the mobile phone or Wi-Fi, whatever it may be. So I think that's pretty awesome. And for me, I've never really been a risk taker in the past. My risk tolerance has gone up and improved, increased over time as I've stopped focusing, used to focus on fear-based things and worry and doubt, and then I was able to reshift and reframe based upon the things I've been able to learn. So have you made any decisions or done things, you know? I know you kind of said it, but where you felt unqualified and didn't know if it was gonna work out or not. But have you done that in this realm of healthcare where maybe the odds are against you quite a bit, but how what did you learn from that?

SPEAKER_03 11:18

What did you learn from that?

SPEAKER_01 11:22

I think like the bold move I've ever made was to start off like you say to start Safe Mom, Uganda. It's a digitalized platform which streamlines like continental care services uptake among women, and also like the children after giving birth up to five years of age. So, like it was something that I doubted myself whether I could manage because I was like, hey, this is something very big. Like, how can I approach this? How can I do this? Is it even possible? But I looked for the right mentorship. My supervisor here at Universal, which Columbia has been very, very, very instrumental in shaping my career. So like I looked for the right mentorship, I reached out to the right people, I got the right platforms, I improved my skills, I did a lot of research, like I networked, I attended conferences, and through all that, like I really realized there's a lot of gap. I realized that a lot there are a lot of people out there who are willing to help people like me, reach like, you know, like implement like the initiatives that are aiming at improving people's lives in communities. So I think like I really don't regret like starting Safe Mom. Though we just started of recent, but I'm seeing a very big progress, like because so far, like we have helped over 100 women to give birth safely. Uh, and we have helped also like a lot of youth are joining us, like because it is a youth-led initiative. We are seeing on how we can integrate like the idle youth in the communities, instead of just how can we like put them in proper use, like in improving their communities. So, like it's a platform that is being led by youth navigators or healthy care navigators in their communities who come together also like to aid in the improving the what in the communities. So, like it's not something that I regret.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

Yeah, no, that that's awesome. You mentioned a lot of things there of networking, community, having community around you, outreaching and collaborating with people. And I like, I'm assuming, how you've used your engineering background to say, geez, let me ask, how can I do this? How can I engineer a solution to what's happening that I don't have any answers to? But the fact that you're bringing in so many elements and having the courage to outreach to people, and then realizing that there's a lot of people out there willing to help, because a lot of people would might be skeptical. They might be skeptical, like, uh, there's probably not too many people willing to help me out in what I'm doing, and they talk themselves out of it. So have you always had the courage, the bold moves, and to say, oh, I'm just gonna outreach and talk to people? Because for me, that never was a strength of mine in the past to network, to communicate, since I've been introverted and quiet and had imposter syndrome on a lot of things. But has it always been a strength for you, or did you develop that over time as you were growing up, going to college and navigating a lot?

SPEAKER_01 14:35

I think at one point I was just like you. Because I may not say that like Abane, I was also like at one point an introvert. I would feel like going out talking to people, I would feel like how the crowd judge me. Like, is what I'm going to speak going to make sense? Like, I would always have those questions in me. I realized that the world like cares like less about like our mistakes. Most of the people like they focus on like what have you spoken that is important to the community. That's what I realized. And also I found out that having such mindsets, like it just pulls you back. Sometimes it's always better to just start and figure out the rest of the things along the way. So I was this kind of a perfectionist person. I would just want to start something which is perfect. But at one point I realized there was like, no, it's through starting that we identify the other better solutions along the way. That has really shaped me, like to a point that when I think about an idea, I start on it. The rest of the things will find me on the way. The rest of the people will find me on the way. And right now, like it has really helped me. Like, it has really helped me. I when I think about something, I just contact a few people in my network whom I know like they can give me a realistic opinion about it. So long as it is feasible enough for me to start, like I will start, then I find I figure out the rest of the things along the way.

SPEAKER_02 16:05

That is cool. Just start and other answers will come as you go.

SPEAKER_01 16:10

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

Yeah, I've heard that in another way too. That if you don't have all the answers, it's it is important to start and make progress, not perfection, but just make progress because as you get further down the road, you'll be able to see way more clearly as you get further down the road. But if you stay right where you are, your pre your perspective and learnings are all going to be the same as you've always had. So I really enjoy that principle of just starting, just being courageous to take the first step, not the huge leap, but the first step. So that's great.

SPEAKER_01 16:45

Exactly. And we fear to start, but theoretically, you may not identify, like you may not know the real problem on the ground, but by stepping out in the community, by stepping out on ground, you can even identify bigger problems than what you had anticipated, which can give you like a better way of designing better solutions for the problems. Because like when I wanted to start something, I was like, hey, we have a lot of homeless, homeless people in Uganda, like street kids and all that. Then, like when I stepped out, I made a survey, went out in the community, I was like, yeah, fine, we have street kids, but at the same time, health is more important. We have a lot of women who are dying, giving birth. We have a lot of kids who die before the age of five years. I think child and maternal health like would be a more urgent word, like earlier to focus on than this. So, like sometimes like it's always better like to just go out there, explore, know what is on the ground. It can give you like the real experience of what you are going to tackle. So, like, most of the times, like I tell like my friends, like the people like I met and all that. I was like, when you think about something, start on it. The rest of the better ideas will find their own deal.

SPEAKER_02 18:06

That's really cool. Man, where were you when I was little? And I could have been learning all this stuff from you. Where were you? I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. It's so funny because I look at a lot of people who are younger than me. I'm 57, and just I was so fearful and afraid of my shadow. Like, ooh, and I just had I had the wrong framework. I was like, I do not want to start anything and look dumb. Because I know my when I was younger, my friends made fun of everybody. If you asked a dumb question or look dumb, and so I'm like, I don't want to make a mistake, I just only want to do something that I feel confident with. But guess what? I didn't feel confident with hardly anything because I didn't try anything. It's just like somebody that's trying to, a baby trying to learn to walk. And if they never ever take a step or get up and let go of the couch or let go of something that they're holding on to, they're never gonna learn that process and learn to get back up, learn to get back up and take the next step, take the next step. So yeah, yeah, like your framework. It's very simple, but very powerful. So I really appreciate that. Yeah. Yep. You if you have five siblings, is that correct? Or you're one of five?

SPEAKER_03 19:18

We have six.

SPEAKER_02 19:20

Okay. Okay, yeah. So you're one of them. Okay. So are many of them like you, many of your siblings, or are you you kind of sound like you've just kind of gone off, like you said, your family's like, what are you doing? What's going on here? But are they kind of like you, kind of innovative and willing to go out there and take action, or is it just something that you've decided uh and maybe have learned somehow?

SPEAKER_01 19:43

I'm always this person who's always curious to know what will happen in the next 10 years. Yeah, will this world be in the next 10 years? When I was at medical school, I've always wanted to be a doctor. That was my career, like my dream career. At home, our firstborn is also a doctor, and uh we have a nurse. Then we have a nurse, like we have an igneous. That's our family. But I've always been this kind of person who wants to do something unique, who always wants to think in a unique way. I'm always looking out how I can be unique from others in a way that is going to improve the lives of people around me. So, like when I was at medical school, I realized that there was the world is going technical. In the next 10 years, technology is going to take over almost everything. Then I was like, no, if I keep myself in the field of just medicine without diversifying my skills, soon I'm going to be kicked out of the profession. Elon Musk is looking at bringing robots that can do surgery and all that. So soon doctors are going to be out of the what they but how have you diversified yourself to make sure that as your job is being taken away by technology, you can you also have the other part of yourself that can really make you survive. So that's I was in first year, and surprisingly, in my first year, second year, I almost dropped out of medical school because I got uh I got a free funded scholarship in the University of Michigan to do computer science. To do computer science, it was the Theoremaster Card Foundation. My mom refused, was like, no, you kid, you have to be a doctor, you have to be in medical school, you are not going anywhere. Then I was like, okay, fine, let me just do this degree, I give it to my mom. Then after that, I go out and figure out my life, and that's exactly what I did. So after the day, the medicine, I went out, I did computer engineering to add on my medicine, and it's what has equipped me with all these diverse skills. Not only the academic part of it, but also the people I've met along the way. I made a lot of friends in India, long term, lifetime friends in India. I've made a lot of friends in Canada. Everywhere I make friends, and through making meaningful friends. Yeah. Who also, like, yeah, who impact who have a positive impact on me. Most of the times, they become my mentors, they become my advisors, they become people who are willing to join my initiatives and make sure that at least I'm kept moving. I'm in the right path. So yeah, that's how I ended up here. Like from medicine, from that traditional world thinking, like in Africa, we assume you have to go to school. Like for someone to be successful, you should be a doctor, you should be an engineer, you should be a lawyer. If you are out of that, the world is success, is not in your path. Actually, it's one of the reasons why I set up like I set up, I came up with these initiatives where we can talk to the youth realistically about life. You just don't have to be a doctor or an engineer or a lawyer to make it in life. There are so many different ways you can make it in life. Not just by being a doctor, a lawyer, or an engineer. Yeah. Have I answered your question?

SPEAKER_02 23:02

Yes, you did answer my question, and you brought up some good points too about the youth, being able to talk to youth about these other professions and really other ways to be of value to society and to improve things instead of just being like when I was growing up, we didn't have the internet. That wasn't a thing. All we had is the newspaper and TV and our parents, people around us who would mostly say, Yeah, be a doctor, be an engineer, be a lawyer, because that is the some of the top echelons or top careers out there to make the most, and mainly it's to make the most money. There's some prestige there too, but to make the most money so you have a good lifestyle. But a lot of those people don't necessarily have a whether you want to call it a great lifestyle, or because money isn't just the only thing out there. And many times they find that they have worked 60, 70, 80 hours a week to create this financial success, but the other areas of their lives are shoddy. It's not everyone, but many of them have been sold a bill of goods and hey, this is the way to have the best life. And come to find out, money, at least for me, is probably only I used to focus on it 110%, but now I realize that money is only about 10% of what's important to me. Whereas my family is very important, my Christian faith, serving the community, serving others, creating value for others, serving our neighbor, which comes from scripture. Serve our neighbors and love them like we love ourselves, just being in that spirit, and then things come back to you, not just in terms of money, money plus the other intangibles of life that you just can't put your hands on. And it's not just stuff and things, but it's the experiences and then how we interact with people. And I loved how you talked about too, which is one of my passions over the last few years, of be able to develop more friends, clients, which are friends and family. I treat them like that kind of a deeper relationship all around the world. And I'm starting to do that. So for you to talk about, to be able to develop long-term friends in India, long-term friends in Canada, all these different places wherever you're traveling or interacting, I think that's an amazing piece of things. Can you can you talk a little bit more about that? Maybe your relationships. Why do you call them lasting friends or lasting and long-term relationships? What is that? How do you define that or why do you feel that way?

SPEAKER_01 25:33

These are people who are always curious to know what's going on in my life. What am I up to? Like how they can come in and help me. Two days ago, my supervisor, like who was my supervisor in India, my MP, just called me, just sent me a message. He was like, Hey, Isaac can we have a call? I was like, Yes, like then. I was wondering, I was like, What have I done?

SPEAKER_02 25:57

You sound like me. You sound just like me. What have I done this time?

SPEAKER_01 26:03

So, like, we we had a call, then I was like, Hey mom, what have I done? I was like, No, I just wanted to just give you a random call and see what's going on. What are you up to? It has been a while, it has been a month ever since we last talked. What's going on? Like, how I adjusting to Canada, how is everything, how is the environment that side? Like, how are your initiatives? How far have you gone? How can I help you? Like, things like that. So I just have quite a lot of such people who can just come in and give me random what calls, random texts, just to check on me to see like how I'm progressing with life, how they can come in and help me, what they can do for me. So I think it's just quite rare to find such people in our lives. Most of the people they are chasing, they are chasing chasing finances, they are chasing opportunities and all that. And they give less to other people. So even when I was opening my safe mom, Uganda, a lot of people were giving me advice. Hey, this is a very good idea. If you can start, you can turn it into a startup or uh a company, like you can get a lot of money and all that. But that wasn't like my focus. My focus is saying that I'm improving lives of people, not money. So I was like, no, I want this to be a none profit platform which can whose aim is to improve lives of people, not making money for myself. So uh a lot of good people around me that I've mentioned, lifetime friends have mentioned around me, they supported the idea of none of profit rather than setting it up as a profit company. So, like I have such people who are always ready to just come in and give me good ideas, good advice, and the center of shaping my career.

SPEAKER_02 27:48

I think I think that's amazing. Yeah, having supportive people, as you said earlier, people who are interested in yourself, who you're interested in also, but it takes that investment of time and intention to keep those relationships going and to keep depositing into those relationship accounts. So I think that's great. And tell me, what's one of your biggest leadership lessons you've learned over your life, whether personally or in business or nonprofit startups, university, what's one of your biggest leadership lessons?

SPEAKER_01 28:22

I think the past year, as we told me that leadership is not it's not about doing more, just about being present for people in the right time. For example, right now, I'm striking a balance between like my doctoral studies, my doctoral studies such as research with community initiatives. And this really like forced me like to surrender like the idea of thinking I'm always going to be at the center of everything, I'm always going to figure out to be at the center of everything, like coordinating the initiatives in Uganda, maybe looking for partnerships and collaborators, volunteers and all that. And it has really taught me that sometimes it is okay as a leader to delegate responsibilities to other people. It's not like you shouldn't be like the honorary person that all the organization or the initiatives are going to stand on. It's better to train even other people below you who can help you like fulfilling the respect, the objectives of the initiatives that you are working on. So I've done that by last year, I met around 10 youth. I met at around 10 youth, and surprisingly, because I met them to improve in the academic path and also the academic path and this other side of life, like improving the community and all that. Surprisingly, all the people I work with, all the people I met at last year, all of them have got an admission in very good universities. One of them is going to Oxford, another one is has been accepted in Cambridge, like all of them right now, because I want to create an ecosystem around me of people who are supportive to the community, who can go out there, get the skills, go back to Africa, go back to Uganda, implement those skills, and you form a very eco-friendly platform or ecosystem back in Uganda. That's what I've learned about leadership. It's not all about carrying all the responsibilities on your shoulders, but how you can delegate, how you can equip other people around you with the necessary skills such that they can take up some of these responsibilities when you get occupied with other stuff in your life.

SPEAKER_02 30:38

Yeah. Wow, that's pretty powerful. Well, thank you. I appreciate that, Isaac. Just everything you've shared today in so many different realms that support communities, support other people, and improve people's health, improve people's livelihood, and how they're living life in a better way. So I really appreciate you being here sharing all of your experiences and wisdom.

SPEAKER_03 31:03

You're welcome.

SPEAKER_02 31:04

Yeah, so tell me what's the best way people can connect with you, whether phone number, website, or what is that? We have and can you spell that please?

SPEAKER_01 31:16

O-R B-I-T-S-C-H ar-s.com.

SPEAKER_02 31:27

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 31:28

Uh then also like they can reach out to me through my LinkedIn, isiko Isaac. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 31:35

And how do you spell isa? How do you spell is call isaac?

SPEAKER_01 31:39

I- S I K O, then Isaac is I S double. Like profile is call Isaac British Columbia. So long as of course, like we are around the two to three is call Isaacs, but the one who is in British Columbia, because of British Columbia. Yeah, that would be me. So like my phone number, like my contact number, uh same time it's what I use on WhatsApp, is uh plus one two thirty six eight six two seven six eight three. Awesome. All right. Yeah, for direct calls and WhatsApp, they can reach out to me through that number.

SPEAKER_02 32:16

Awesome. Thank you so much. Thank you again.

SPEAKER_01 32:20

You're welcome and thank you so much for hosting me. Hope you host me again, and we help in building an eco-friendly system that can empower people such that they can continue believing themselves because there's so many people out there don't believe in themselves, they don't they are not sure that they are what they are sitting on is something that the communities you know is waiting for. So I think this is a very good platform, and you are doing a very good job in helping the youth like us, giving us the opportunities to talk to the youth, other people out there who are maybe at one point were like us before we came out and we started making changes in the communities. We need platforms like this, such that we can reach out to as many people, inspire as many people, they come out like we join hands together and we make this world a better place for everyone.

SPEAKER_02 33:11

Oh, big time, big time. That was a mic drop. So thank you. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 33:16

You're welcome.

SPEAKER_02 33:16

Yeah. And I want to thank you for listening to this episode of Unapologetic Leadership, where creating an ecosystem of the people you network with, people who are supportive of your cause, and vice versa, because it's a two-way relationship, along with one of the best leadership advices or advices and tips that I've ever heard, which is you don't have to know all the answers. You just need to take the next step, and the answers will follow and different insights you'll come across. So appreciate you listening, and I will see you on the next episode of Unapologetic Leadership.

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