Nonprofit Mission Drift is Expensive, and Flexible Leaders Don’t Break, with Sharmon Lebby

What happens when organizations chase funding instead of purpose?

In this episode of Unapologetic Leadership, Cory Dunham sits down with nonprofit consultant, brand strategist, and ethical business advocate Sharmon Lebby to discuss leadership, mission drift, collaboration, and building organizations that create lasting impact.

Sharmon shares why many nonprofits and businesses struggle when they lose sight of their core values, how mission drift can quietly damage an organization's effectiveness, and why leaders must prioritize purpose over profit. She also explores the power of community over competition, the importance of strong boundaries, emotional intelligence, adaptability, and how flexible leaders create stronger teams and healthier cultures.

Whether you're a nonprofit leader, entrepreneur, executive, or business owner, this conversation offers practical insights on leading with integrity, staying aligned with your mission, building meaningful partnerships, and creating sustainable growth without compromising your values.

About Sharmon Lebby

Sharmon Lebby is the Founder & CEO of Blessed Designs Consulting, a nonprofit and small business consulting agency dedicated to helping social and environmental impact organizations thrive. With more than 20 years of experience in nonprofits and launching new initiatives, she helps purpose-driven organizations build strong foundations for long-term success. A former Neuroscience Research Associate and recovering ethical fashion entrepreneur, Sharmon is passionate about equality, equity, and justice, helping turn big ideas into sustainable impact.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Welcome to Unapologetic Leadership. If you've felt stressed, overwhelmed, wrestling with the imposter syndrome, wondering if you're just not good enough, then this podcast is for you. So here's your host, Corey Dunham.

SPEAKER_01 0:21

Welcome to this episode of Unapologetic Leadership, where I have Sharman Levy, who's a nonprofit consultant, brand strategist, and ethical business advocate. Welcome, Sharman. Thank you so much for having me. Yes, you're welcome. You're welcome. Excited to hear what you have to say and to learn about you and the services you offer and how you do things. So tell everyone, what do you do and how do you impact the world?

SPEAKER_03 0:51

Ooh, such a good question, right? I feel like we all have a little bit of impacts in our daily lives. But I am a nonprofit consultant. I work with nonprofits and social impact organizations, specifically social and environmental impact organizations, really just helping them to build solid foundations for their organizations to help them, you know, be sustainable and thrive while they do that. So I do that in a variety of ways. That looks like helping them with the branding and communications, strategic planning as well as collaboration strategies, which are a big thing for me. I'm very much about community over competition.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

Oh, interesting. Yeah. Can you explain that a little bit more?

SPEAKER_03 1:32

And then we'll Yeah, I think we just kind of live in a world and a society and a culture where we tend to be very individualistic and we're very much out for each other. And that goes in the nonprofit world too, where people are they're wanting to have an impact and serve different communities, but at the same time, there are like millions, like literally millions of nonprofit organizations out there, and everybody's like competing for grants and for money and for different funding. And so sometimes it can get nasty and ugly, and people are like fighting, trying to do all and be all in order to get some of these grants. And I'm like, okay, it's time we stop that because this isn't supposed to be about us as individual organizations, it's supposed to be about the communities that we are serving.

SPEAKER_01 2:22

Nice. No, that's really good. Yeah, and it's interesting when you say that about nonprofits, just the whole idea of collaboration and abundance, really, an abundance mindset. Yes. And I know that's something I've had to work on personally myself coming from the scarcity mindset and fear. And in my case, I'm a Christian and I've been a Christian for decades, and just realizing over the last several years, like, wow, I've been instead of focusing on God and God's abundance, I've been focusing on what I see through my eyes and this filter of just this fearfulness of the economy, COVID, all kinds of political things going on. I'm like, oh my gosh, instead of just simplifying and allowing God to guide me, and that's what I've learned to do, and I'm getting better and better as I'm not perfect at it. But but that's just a huge thing. I've never Yeah, yeah, and I've never thought of nonprofits as you said this as competitive. I never thought of it, even though I could, yeah, I could probably realize that. So I appreciate you saying that.

SPEAKER_03 3:23

Yeah. I mean it's an interesting world and just an interesting, I feel like dichotomy of fighting for funds versus like serving our communities. And so many of us get caught up in that. And I feel like I have this argument on threads, like once a month, maybe. Okay about funding and community and working together. So it yeah, it's something we all I think still need to learn and wrap our minds around. And we're not, I mean, we're human, we're not gonna be perfect. It's gonna take a while to get us there and for that to be like the default thinking.

SPEAKER_01 3:59

Yes, yes. And have you always been into community, developing community, or have you had to change or align your values with developing community? So I don't know if that's always been a problem or a challenge with what you've been doing or no, I think it's always been a thing for me.

SPEAKER_03 4:18

Like I've always loved community, I've always loved to have people around working together in groups. I will always I love a group project, right? I am very skilled and love to go out and can do things on my own. But if I can work with a group of people, I just prefer that so much more. I feel like I I live by that ethos of, you know, if you want to go like fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together. But at the same time, I realize that not everybody thinks like that. And so it still can be difficult being in community with people who don't necessarily have that same ideal and have that same drive to work together as a community within the community. So, I mean, community is filled with people. Like I said before, we're we aren't perfect, we have to just figure out how to like come together around a specific cause and work together despite our differences, despite diff despite different experiences. And it's a work in progress.

SPEAKER_01 5:24

Yeah. So yeah, no, I I think that's really good. I was gonna say too, that just the whole idea of these people skills that we still need to develop in this high-tech world, whether it's empathy, listening, as you said, collaboration, making concessions, being able to meet somewhere in the middle and work for the greater good, all these different types of things.

SPEAKER_03 5:49

I mean, an emotional intelligence is something we all could use a little more of. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:56

Yep, yep. And getting the practice is the biggest thing. Yes. Um being in opportunities to have the practice and and being willing to have that that vision or purpose or impact focus to say, hey, this it's better to be in community than by ourselves. And then in that case, in some senses, everybody's in the world is a competitor of you rather than collaborating with community with people who have who are experts or people who have strong skill sets. And even I've heard that too, with in terms of another, I'm an executive leadership coach and keynote speaker, and I was talking with another one, and she was like, I am so abundant now, it's taken me a long time, but I'm so abundant and that I will showcase, I'll refer other uh executive leadership coaches because they may handle different types of clients or have different nuances, and just having the abundance mindset that there's enough business for each of us out there to secure, and we don't need a million clients, each of us needs a handful or dozens that will make a world of difference in our own world when we get remunerated. But yeah, but there's if you have the abundance mindset and you have that, oh, what's it called? Giver's gain. That principle of givers gain, just giving first, and then there's a gain that comes back, not necessarily from where you're giving toward, but when you have that abundance mindset and you act in that way, it is amazing how much comes back to you out of nowhere sometimes. You're like, how did this happen? But since you're in that spirit, people can sense that and just opportunities just happen, whether people say it's the universe or God or all those types of things. But you have to believe in it and take those faith walk or faith steps toward it. Yes, yes, yeah. Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So in you helping organizations, both you said marketing, branding, collaborating, creating community. Uh, have you ever had tough decisions that you've made where you felt uncertain about it? And then how did you what did you learn from that?

SPEAKER_03 8:03

Like uncertain and just the way I teach them.

SPEAKER_01 8:07

Um well, it could be, yeah, it could be on a couple different ways. One way I was thinking is that have you ever made like maybe you've been in a challenge or trying to work with organizations, even anything in your personal life potentially, where you've made uh just a tough decision, like, ooh, I'm gonna make this decision, but that means I could lose business, I could turn someone off, I could rub someone the wrong way. And so you're kind of uncertain which direction it was going to go if you made this tough decision, and then just kind of what learning lesson, what did you learn from that?

SPEAKER_03 8:41

Yeah, actually, I feel like I had a time rather recently where I was talking with a potential client, they were telling me all about their organization, what they were wanting to do. We're kind of talking about the programming, and I was trying to find like a nice and non-judgmental way of telling them like who I was and what I valued, and how like what they're proposing didn't necessarily fit within that viewpoint.

SPEAKER_02 9:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:15

And you know, that wasn't necessarily something that I could go along with and be comfortable with, but I think it it actually happens a lot. Like that was the most recent example. Um, but I remember working with an organization years ago, and I really thought we were aligned. We talked about what they wanted to do. It was really exciting. I worked with them for a really long time. Yeah, and there were some red flags that I like I would ignore for a little while because I was like, well, this person is not the end all be all, right?

SPEAKER_02 9:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:48

But I think after maybe the third or fourth time of them saying, I'm gonna make us a lot of money, I'm like, okay, this is a non-profit, sir. Like, like it was really one of those, this is a Wendy's moment, but it was just like this, this is not where we are, this is not what this is about. You know, you are the reason people hate nonprofit organizations. But um, and I I I think it's just like that mentality, but it's something that I teach my organizations as well because people start their nonprofits and right out the gate, they're like, we're gonna go for grants because that's what you do as like a 501c3, right? You go get your grants. Um, and I'm like, I need you to stop for a minute and reevaluate and really think about what your purpose for this organization is, where you want to see it going, and then really clearly define your values because not every funder, not every grantor is going to align with those values. And very often they will ask you to do things that don't necessarily align with what you want to do. And it's something in the industry we call mission drift, where people will take money and kind of change things a little bit in order to get this going. And so we're like, this is not what you want to do, right? So I'm trying to live out what I teach my organizations as well, that you need to know your values, and we can't completely align with just the money, right? We can't just be after the money because then what's your purpose? What where's the impact? Where where do you go from there?

SPEAKER_01 11:34

Yeah, and as you have this scope creep that or mission, what did you call it? Mission. Yeah, the mission creep. Mission creep, scope creep, yeah. Like a mission creep, yeah. Yes, yes. Um, I can't remember if that was exactly what you had said or what you had called it, since I've never heard that before of mission creep. But when that happens too, people don't realize sometimes that wow, you are changing fundamentally who you are and your values, and that's going to show through both amongst within the organization, but also to when you're marketing, when you're branding, and that whole message. And then if you're creeping there or shifting and don't even realize it, it could be like many organizations, not just nonprofits that I'm aware of, that started off in one mission-driven area or focus. And then next thing you know, 10, 20 years later, whether that's because of new executive leaders or whatever it is, but they change everything like, ooh, they used to be over here and now they're aligned over here, which is a huge no-no in terms of having your audience understand and support and be in alignment and agreement with you.

SPEAKER_03 12:45

100, 100%. But and adding on to that, really, I think about like evolution is not always bad, right? When it's coming from the community you serve. Like sometimes needs change over time. And if that's where this change is coming from, then that's okay. But when we're just changing stuff just to change it, just to especially just to get more funding or different ways, that's where we start to run into problems. We lose like the core people that kind of started with us. Um, and you're not necessarily gonna be able to bring in other people as well. So I mean it all just kind of depends on, I guess, what where your values are, right? Like what is it that you what is it that you want?

SPEAKER_01 13:30

Yeah, yeah. And how when you have these difficult conversations, have you found it fairly challenging? Or I'm not sure if you come in at the same place when you help organizations all the time, or maybe you're at the beginning at a like at the startup, or maybe sometimes you're in the middle trying to help them realign and get focused. So everybody's on the same boat, so to speak, moving forward, like you said, because when you have internal passion and purpose that comes from within, with people like you're saying, that's con we're talking about conviction in most cases. And many times, yes, people do get paid, and some nonprofits, some are volunteered, but some would do those things for free because they are so convicted in those areas. Like I was just talking with another gentleman who ran marathons and basically supported a children's hospital in this case, of it wasn't just for his own gain, but it he could get some fundraising for that children's hospital. And and he said I would do that for free. And he was a person who said, I never thought of myself doing a marathon ever. I thought it was the impossible thing, and now he's heading toward his eighth marathon. I'm like, whoa, I thought that was impossible to do a marathon, unless you're a marathon runner. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. So he got swallowed deep in that thing that he never thought he could do, which is marathon running. To now he's run many different marathons, but it's not for his own gain. He's getting some gain from it, but he says it supports more of these other kids, this hospital, and he totally believes in that. So I can see what you're saying. When somebody has conviction, it's it's not just superficial, hey, let's just make some great money. And that's kind of how I used to be for a lot of my career, just focused on the business, focus on the business. And the money was the only value rather than what are my personal values? How do I want to show up in this world? How do I want to serve and impact other people? I didn't ask myself a lot of those questions. So I was only, as I say now, I was only talking about the 10% of things, which is the revenue or the profit or the income. And not really looking at those values. But when you have those internal values, the conviction runs deep and it's hard to change somebody. And they're gonna go somewhere, they're gonna help out somebody, is one thing I pretty much know. Yeah. You know, so how about sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 15:56

Oh, go ahead, go ahead. No, I was just thinking, I was like, I think to your earlier question that I come in in a variety of different places, just depending on where the organization is kind of bringing me in. And I have found it really difficult to have these conversations, especially when they're kind of in the middle of things and they're just looking for one thing in particular, right? Like, hey, we just want to update our website and just kind of rebrand. And I'm like, okay, but we're missing like all this stuff on the back end, right? Like, I'm like, I'm looking and I don't know what you do. You're telling me all this stuff, and you've got 15 pages on your website, and I don't have a single clue what your organization does, right? And so I think helping them to understand those things is really important and getting that messaging clear. And I had a client once tell me that I was just like a little counselor, that they just felt like I was like holding their hand through this process as we're kind of learning different things. And I think a lot of it just comes from my intuition and just my ability to just really listen to what's not being said as well. Yeah. And recognizing like where I can take people and where I can't. So sometimes it's like dropping little hints here and there. Every time I meet, I'm like, you know who you need on your board, right? You need somebody with lived experience in this. Um, just like dropping little hints, and as we're doing board development and we're going through skills assessments and trying to figure out where their gaps are and where it is that they really need to take the organization and who they need to get. And I'm like, you know what's missing. Like, you know, sometimes we just drop little hints or hey, you know what? Your for-profit business and your nonprofit business, there's an awful lot of overlap that we might want to talk about before we start raising too much money, and this starts to, you know, flag the IRS. Sometimes it's just like those little hints. And I remember I have been working with a client for probably a good three years before she's finally like, okay, we're separating everything. And I was like, three years later, yes, we finally got there. But I mean, it took a while to sink in that I'm like, honey, like, we've got a problem here that could become a big problem later on, unless we fix it. And so we finally got there. But yes, it can take a while sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 18:33

Yeah, it's so wonderful to have people like you that have both lived experience, they also have great education, knowledge, and also have worked with different types of people because I've heard it said decades ago that it is important to really pay your advisors well. And I think that was Robert Kiyosaki from Rich Dad Poor Dad who had said that pay your advisors well. And then early on I didn't understand what that meant. Like, why? I know what I'm doing, but we really don't if we've never been or haven't walked down that path, basically. Yeah. So having advisors like you who can see some of these things that are needed or learn have learned from other organizations and people that and I feel like my tax advisor's done the same thing. Okay, Corey, let's look at this, let's look at that. Because these could be challenges down the road or could be not in your best interest in one way or another. So no, I think that's wonderful to have people like you. Now, have you always been? I'm assuming you're a people person, you're extroverted. Tell me about that.

SPEAKER_03 19:38

Yeah, I have definitely it's I've always been an extrovert, I've always been a big people person. It's always funny because I was always almost a quiet observer. Like I wasn't really super loud and just out there all the time. So people be like, Shaman is shy. Because my sister was like the really loud one. Like she was just the one, the wild one that was out there. Um but my sister is very introverted, and I think people don't understand really what that means and what that looks like. Um, because they just think the loud and wild ones are extroverted. And I'm like, no, it's all about where you get your energy and where you're comfortable with, right? And I am very, very comfortable with people and in crowds of people, but that doesn't mean I'm always gonna be like the first one to speak up, right? I tend to I like to read the room a little bit, I like to know who I'm who I'm dealing with before y'all you get all of me sometimes. But I think it's just been it's been, it's got it's had its highs and it's had its lows, right? Because with that comes a lot of empathy, and with that comes a lack of boundaries sometimes. And so these are things that I've had to learn like over the course of my career and my life, on and I'm still learning in all honesty, is just how to balance all of that.

SPEAKER_01 20:58

Yeah, yeah. No, I think that's really good. And going back to the whole idea of just being either introverted or extroverted, I've typically 90% of my life I've been introverted, but also I have been really quiet, afraid of my shadow, afraid of what everybody else would think. So therefore I didn't want to look stupid, is what it was. Otherwise, for me, that would have meant death. Oh, I'm gonna die. Everybody's making fun of me or laughing at me. And that was from I realized way back in elementary school, dealing with all of that stuff. And I carried that through college and in my 30s and 40s. Yeah, and I'm like, oh my goodness. And now over the last three years, really transforming myself that you know, I've been actually in the business fee world for 40 years this year, 2026, which is crazy. And I have not taken stock or appreciated any of the skill sets that I've learned. I've said, Oh, that's I'm not comfortable with that, therefore that's not a strength of mine. But come to find out, me not wanting to talk, me being maybe interested. Introverted or quiet, not having the confidence. All of this stuff I felt God was telling me, especially in the last few years when He really got my attention from all the challenges I was having with family, business, pandemic, everything, but then some health issues. I was like, oh my goodness. So I started just trusting God, look leaning more into God, listening, prayer, all of that, and just simplifying life. Okay, it's me and God here, and then everybody else, where I was putting stuff first, people first, instead of God for me. And then hearing God basically just saying, Corey, everything that you felt was a weakness, that is has been a gift and a strength that now you can share, teach from your transformation everything you've learned, and that you continue learning, just like you said, Sharman. You're in the process of learning and has shifted that. I'm like, oh my gosh, everything looks so differently from that point on in the last few years here. And that's why I was like, I've got to, yeah. I said I I love empowering people, but I've done it more in a more quiet way, like you were describing. And now people think I'm extroverted and I love to speak. And I do now. I love doing this podcast, I love speaking at keynotes, and I love interfacing with people where I never used to like that either. So now I enjoy that for because I'm focusing on what's the value, what's the impact, rather than oh, I'm gonna talk to somebody. Yeah, so that's been good. When it comes to, you know, you talked about your values, you being aligned and having boundaries. Is there any one boundary that you can think of that like you've had to put up in place, or at least you've become more aware of with yourself or other people you work with?

SPEAKER_03 23:51

Yeah, I like my time is always just a big thing for me. My time, I think my skill sets. I think my mom once told me, like, I make everything look really, really easy. And so people don't necessarily recognize the time that goes into making like stuff happen. And I was she'll be like, Oh, you just did that. And I'm like, but this is like years in the making room, right? And it it takes time to design things, it takes time to build like different skill sets, and sometimes people will just like out of the blue, just ask me for something, and you know, can you get that to me in like 30 minutes? And I'm like, no, I cannot. Like, that's not happening, right? And a lot of times I would um, you know, it's probably been within like the last three, four years that I've like started setting those boundaries, really. Because before I would stress myself out trying to like be helpful and get people their stuff, and I've really had to learn that lack of preparation on their part is not an emergency on mine. And I'm like, I have to remember, I still have things I have to get done, and I have to just I just have to tell them no, and it's so hard, and a lot of times I'll go back and like be replaying conversations in my head over and over and over again, just being like, was I nice enough? Did I say that okay? But I'm like, you know, no is a full sentence, and I've I'm learning slowly to be okay with just that no, like yeah, not even like a sorry, like I'm just no, right? I cannot do that for you.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

Yeah. Have you found that emotionally getting better? Yes, you've learned to say no as a full sentence, which I like that, but have you found it emotionally transforming for you? Or do you still get the same feeling you used to be get at the beginning?

SPEAKER_03 25:47

I feel like I'm getting a little better.

SPEAKER_02 25:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:51

Just because my self-talk has improved, like I can talk myself through it a little bit better. It's still there, and I'm in therapy too. Yeah, I love Jesus, but I love my my therapist as well. Awesome, awesome. We have to like walk and talk through these things constantly and really I think it's like a muscle you have to train, right? And which means you have to constantly work it in order to get better at these things and really progress.

SPEAKER_01 26:22

So yeah, no, I think that's great. And thanks for sharing about you also going to a therapist. I've been to therapist too. And there's so many resources around. And part of me not going to one years ago when it being recommended to me by multiple people, that was my ego. Oh, I'll look weak. I'll look like I don't know everything. And it's funny because I never will know everything, and I do have weaknesses that can become strengths if I'm willing to lean into those different areas of support. Like I said, just like a nonprofit having you as someone who's had some experience, who's walked in those shoes, and and really, you know, comes from wisdom. And also, this is a another pitch, too. I talk with a lot of professionals nowadays, and some are fractional professionals that would help organizations, but the value of working with people like you, Sherman, and fractional professionals is they've got a lot of experience. So they should be able to shortcut a lot of your challenges, a lot of your financial and time waste. And people need to start realizing more. It's like, wait a minute, this person, in most cases, probably isn't charging enough for the value they can bring. But it's once again, it's a collaborative co-creation between you, Sharman, the expert, and the organization who's looking to grow and change and do things in an efficient and proficient manner. So uh I appreciate that. And and going back to the whole idea of just getting help and being willing to ask for help, that's a leadership strength. It's being willing to be humble enough to ask for help. So no, I appreciate you sharing that. And that you're seeking answers, you're seeking answers, not just staying to where you were in the past or staying stuck as to where you were in the past.

SPEAKER_03 28:23

For sure. I feel like just keeping an open mind and willing to learn new things is just a great skill in life that we all need to flex a little bit more.

SPEAKER_02 28:32

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 28:33

Yeah. And I appreciate, as you say, flex, as you talked about uh a few minutes ago, really exercising that muscle. And that muscle can be literally our physical muscles. If we're not exercising, we're gonna get weaker. If we're not exercising our our mindset, our decision making. And if in a lot of cases, and even I've seen myself do this, you go to chat instead of thinking about it, like, oh, let me hit the easy button for a split second, like I thought about it for a split second, not even a second. But a lot of people are doing that, both leaders and also people who are working in organizations and the people in our community. So if we're not exercising that muscle in others that are necessary to collaborate with people and co-create things, then we're gonna get weak on it, and it's gonna be more on the difficult side of things rather than the familiar side of things. So thank you also for mentioning that. And we keep for self-leadership, yeah, yeah. Everything starts, for my opinion, with self-leadership, working on yourself. You're not gonna be perfect, but starting with yourself and understanding that journey can also help share the journey with other people as they're beginning this new direction and where they want to go. Yeah, so true, so true. Love that yeah, yes, yeah. So when it comes to maybe one of the biggest leadership lessons that you've learned, and there could be a bunch of them, like I have a bunch, but what's one of the a leadership lesson that stands out for you that you've had to learn, whether about yourself or when working with people, when helping them to grow?

SPEAKER_03 30:15

I think for me, the biggest lesson is just staying flexible. It's funny, I used to go on these mission trips with my church, and they used to have like these 10 commandments of mission trips, and one of them was like stay flexible so you don't get bent out of shape. And so I have carried that with me through life and especially in leadership because I think I was around leaders that were like as a leader, I am who I am, and you just have to deal with that, right? I feel like I have learned over time that to be, I don't want to say like a real leader, to but more to maybe be like an effective leader. You have to recognize that your people that you're leading and you're in community with are all people as well. And you're dealing with each of them, and each of them needs something different from you. And I think, yes, it's uh maybe more responsibility, but that's kind of the role you accept it as this leader, right? That you are going to deal with multiple different people, and all of them are gonna need different things, all of them have different strengths, all of them have different weaknesses, and if you want to bring up the best in them, you have to acknowledge that and speak to that and allow them to be in their to be their best selves, really, and to really do the things that's going to uplift your organization, uplift your whatever kind of community that you're in. Like if you're constantly putting them in positions that where they're going to be their worst, then that's all they're gonna think of themselves as well. And and so that's like my biggest thing is just being flexible about who you are and who you're working with. You're gonna have to kind of change your leadership style in order to deal with different people.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

Yeah, and I like that's been my biggest lesson. Yeah, yeah. I think that's a great one because the thing about people, we're not machines. So there could be some moments where things are very difficult between you and someone else, or myself and someone else. But it could be my attitude, my energy that's affecting things in a in a non-positive way, or it could be their energy or their dealings with something. Like something could have happened, somebody could have passed away in their family, or just a rough couple of days. Like I was telling you before we started this podcast recording. I'm like, man, I've had more things happen to me while recording podcasts in the last two days than I have in the last six months.

SPEAKER_02 32:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 32:40

So, but we can either brush it off, learn from it, or just say, hey, that's a situation that okay, I guess I can handle, you know. Yeah, no, I I really appreciate that. And I appreciate all that you've shared, and I appreciate you being here. So thank you, Sharman. Thank you. This has been fun. Yeah, well, good, good, yes. And now, what's the best way people can connect with you?

SPEAKER_03 33:03

Yes, so you can check out my website, which is blesseddesignsco.com. Check out everything that we're doing there. You can contact me through that as well. If you want to just listen more to what I'm saying and what I'm teaching, you can find me on Facebook and Instagram at Blessed Designs Co. And then I have a YouTube channel as well. And then if you want to get really deep into that community-centered and just justice-driven mindset, I say a lot on threads, and I'm that's just just Charmand on threads. But yeah, I there's plenty of places to connect, and I would love to hear from anybody and hear your thoughts and ideas. And like I'm big on community and learning from people, so get at me.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

There you go, there you go. I think that's fantastic. So thank you again. And I just want to thank you. Thank you. Yes, you're welcome. You're welcome. And thank you for listening to this episode of Unapologetic Leadership, where if you want to go fast, go alone. However, if you want to go far, go with others in community and be adaptable. Be adaptable. Realize that not everything stays the same. We're dealing with human beings. And if you want to be in community, let's be willing to meet everyone in a place where they can learn and grow and accept where they are, just like we expect people to accept us where we are at this moment in time. So we'll see you in the next episode.

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