Serving Nonprofits with Compassion, While Showing God's Grace, with Dr. Kimberly Terry, EdD

In this inspiring episode of Unapologetic Leadership, Cory Dunham sits down with Dr. Kimberly Terry, consultant, nonprofit leader, and humanitarian, to discuss what it means to lead with compassion, humility, and faith.

Dr. Terry shares her journey from corporate America to building a mission-driven consulting business and nonprofit organization serving women and children in Sierra Leone. Together, they explore powerful leadership lessons about personal transformation, healing from past wounds, receiving difficult feedback, and allowing faith to shape how we show up in the world.

This conversation dives into overcoming adversity, embracing humility, practicing financial stewardship, and discovering how God's grace can guide leaders through both success and challenge. Dr. Terry also shares how servant leadership, compassion, and authentic relationships can create lasting impact in both professional and personal settings.

If you're a leader, entrepreneur, nonprofit professional, or person of faith looking to make a greater impact, this episode will encourage you to lead with authenticity, serve others with purpose, and stay focused on your calling.

Tune in to learn how faith-driven leadership, resilience, and genuine human connection can transform both your life and the lives of those you serve.

About Dr. Kimberly Terry

Dr. Kimberly Terry, EdD, is a Consultant, Group Facilitator, and Program Evaluator.

She is an experienced leader in health and human services with strong emotional intelligence and compassion. Dr. Terry possesses a unique blend of technological expertise and business acumen and is passionate about travel, writing, and movies. She is always ready for her next adventure.

Connect with Dr. Kimberly Terry

Website: https://www.drkim-speaks.com/
Email: kterry@magnifiedigc.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drkimspeaks/

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Welcome to Unapologetic Leadership. If you felt stressed, overwhelmed, wrestling with the imposter syndrome, wondering if you're just not good enough, then this podcast is for you. So here's your host, Corey Dunham.

SPEAKER_02 0:21

Welcome to this episode of Unapologetic Leadership. I have Dr. Kimberly Terry, who's a consultant, group facilitator, and program evaluator. Welcome, Kim.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Thank you so much. I'm happy to be here.

SPEAKER_02 0:36

Awesome, awesome. So tell me what do you do and then how do you impact the world?

SPEAKER_01 0:42

So I do a lot of things, but my consultancy, and I will start with that because then I'll move into the nonprofit because my for-profit funds my nonprofit work, right? So and I think both of those things impact the world. For my for-profit, I mainly work with nonprofit organizations and I focus on equity and especially compensation equity. And we're in a capitalist society, making sure people are paid fairly is a pretty big deal. And I also look at employee engagement and how leadership and staff can move from us against them to a we in an hour.

SPEAKER_02 1:24

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

So that's my basic philosophy for that. My nonprofit work takes me overseas where I'm working mainly in the Tonka Lilly district in Sierra Leone, focused on the infant and maternal mortality rates with the women and the children there, and increasing access to education and medical, uh, medical supplies and everything like that. So I think the overall theme with both of these things in the way I feel that the world is changed by my God-given gifts and talents, are that I approach everything through a lens of love and compassion.

SPEAKER_02 2:04

Yes, I think that's great. That's wonderful. Where's Sarah Sierra Leone? Did I pronounce that correctly? You got it.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Yeah, West Africa.

SPEAKER_02 2:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

And yeah, and so probably mainly, sadly enough, most well known for where most of enslaved people were captured and taken because the closest point to leave to get to the United States.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

Wow. Wow. Now, how did you yeah? I was gonna ask for both of these, the prof nonprofit and the for-profit. How did you get started with both of them? Or how what's your journey been?

SPEAKER_01 2:42

Hey, that's let me try to make that bite-size because start with one of them, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:48

Yeah, sometimes I ask too many questions all at once, but no, it's all good.

SPEAKER_01 2:52

Okay, so I'll start with the for-profit. For profit started because I had a good stint in corporate America, and so my whole background was nonprofit working with people with severe and persistent mental illness, addiction, community work, case management. That was my jam. Then, as you start to get more education and more experience, people don't necessarily hire you to do the hands-on work, and that was the work I liked. I liked being in the field and stuff like that. Then they start to promote you to offices, which is the goal for some people, not a goal for me. Yeah, but so anyway, so then I went into corporate America because I went into healthcare online education, and I learned a lot in the corporate sector, particularly being a black woman who is very direct. I know what I know, right? Like I am who I am, and I make no apologies for that. You're on the right podcast here. Go ahead. Right? So in corporate America, and so during this time, I started my both companies actually during this time, and I was just like, you know what? I'm not built. This is not values aligned, their bottom line mentality does not align with who I am. Now, I'm not gonna lie and say the money won't good because healthcare technology, the money was good. And right, and it comes to a point you have to make a decision. Can I live with myself? Can I sleep at night? Even with knowing I might be secure financially, but I don't feel spiritually secure because I'm not aligned with who I am and who I know God made me to be, right?

SPEAKER_02 4:45

So hold on, hold on, just a second there. What uh yeah, you mentioned that who God made you to be. So can you just share some of maybe some of your values? What that is to you, yeah, because two people may look alike in certain things or have similar characteristics, but it's like what drives them and how do they define themselves? So if you don't mind sharing a couple areas about that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:10

Sure. I am a very compassionate person, and that's something now. If you meet somebody that knew me in the late 90s, would not be saying that about me.

SPEAKER_02 5:22

Oh, what was different? What was different?

SPEAKER_01 5:24

I was spoiled, yeah. I was selfish, spoiled, just I wanted things the way I wanted them, and at times I was downright just a mean person, and I'll put it, I recognize that time in my life as being very unhealed. Okay, you know how when you go through things in life and families and situations and hurt and heartbreak, that trauma sticks with you. And if you don't recognize that it needs to be healed and seek out that healing, however, you do it, if it's spiritually, finding a therapist, whatever it is, you sort of fester in that. So, not cool, but I grew and I learned it's I'm making it short for this podcast, but it was a long, gross journey. And fortunately, I had people in my life who were very real with me about my behavior and the impact that it caused around me, and that was not the impact I wanted to make.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

Wow, that's awesome! Yeah, so and I and I want to point out my apologies for interrupting, but I want to point out too what I'm hearing there is you had a great association of people and community of people who had love and compassion on you, which you just talked about earlier, is so important in how you show up to the world. So that's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

Absolutely, and the thing is that even though a lot of things were hard to hear about myself, first of all, I had to come to a place where I was I wanted to hear it because the same people can say the same thing to you over and over again. If you're not at a place to receive it and do something about it, it's fruitless, right? And I had sitting in corporate America, this really comes back to it. I was so upset with where I was in corporate America. Like, I would be at my cubicle with a hoodie over my head. Like, don't talk to me, I'm getting my work done, I don't have time for these shenanigans, wow, all this stuff, and I had one of the most amazing come to Jesus moments, and then this is what started my new work. So me and Jesus were talking, and just you know, I'm like I've had some of those talks, yeah. Right, like like you got to get me out of here. This is not, I can't do this, and just being very real, and I can say for my own self, for some reason, well, not for some reason, I've had a lifetime of it felt like me versus white men. I've always sort of been under the leadership of a white man, which is fine if they are more open and not threatened by someone who comes up that maybe should not be perceived as we're on the same level or we're peers and stuff like that. So, as I, you know, got more into things, that was something I ran into everywhere, which is unfortunate. But God is so amazing. When I was going through this phase, and it was a long phase now. I got a new boss, and the boss before him, I love that guy, but got a new boss, and he comes in and he is like the an old southern white guy, like everything that would just make me be like, Oh Lord, here we go, here we go again. But he told me that I he I can see the work that you do, you're amazing, your clients love you, all this stuff. He was like, But the perception of you is that you are you're distant, you're cold, people don't want to work with you, and I'm shocked and appalled. Me, what do you mean? So I'm fuming, wasn't at a place to receive it in that moment, uh. So, because what he was saying was not untrue, I just couldn't receive it in that moment, and I'll never forget. I was sitting at I was standing there at the coffee machine, and I'm going off in my head. I can't believe he's don't come up, you know, neck twisted and everything. And God said to me, if someone's only encounter with you was this moment, would they know that you love God?

SPEAKER_02 10:17

Ooh, that's like a mic mic drop right there. Right, wow. I would like to do that. Do you yeah? So, do you show do you are you showing Jesus right love and compassion throughout who you are?

SPEAKER_01 10:32

Yeah, yes, and I think people something I had to learn is, and I know people often separate their religious beliefs or whatever spiritual beliefs from their work, but your ministry is everywhere, that is a part of you 24 hours a day. So, what are you showing, folks? So I'm standing there and having this huge epiphany. Somebody's like, excuse me, can I get to the coffee? And I'm sitting there like yeah, sure, yeah, get to the coffee. Um, okay, and so but I went back to my boss, it still took a couple days because humanity, right? Like, I can't believe you said this to me. Yeah, but when I went back to him and I had to humble myself, and something that me as a very strong black woman, and my mama is a very strong black woman, to humble yourself in that way, especially to him, like you know, old school old white guy. I was like, but I said, that's not who I am. And instead of blaming all of the situations that made me that way, I was just like, can you help me? I don't want, I don't want this to be what people view me as.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

What does that mean?

SPEAKER_01 14:16

Because in the horizontal, it's like my company's not making money, I'm struggling. This is hard, I can't seem to get into the right spaces, I might not look like they want me to look, all of these things, and you start to to doubt yourself, and it's like it's not moving, it's not doing anything. But I would have never known from 2020 to the business I have today, I would have never known that this would be my life because right now I'm like I can't take any more clients, like I gotta be right here, which is a blessing. But 2020, mm-mm, I was struggling, and the four excuse me, the nonprofit came about when I was getting my master's degree. I used to work with countries that were in post-war reconciliation, and so we were in like the UK after the troubles and all that stuff like that. But we ended up coming to Sierra Leone because they had a terrible war, and looking at the it was a savage war because at this point, when we're going there, the people that were child soldiers and everything like that, they're adults now and they're missing limbs, they're missing lips, they're missing think it was a savage war. It just so happens. I I go over there and I fall in love with the country. I just it is one of the poorest countries in the world, but they're so rich in spirit. I've never seen people happier. And I come from the United States over here. If the internet is slow, we got an issue, you know what I mean? Like, like, oh my goodness, this internet is taking 25 seconds, you just take 10. Like over the resources and everything, but people were like praising God in the streets, and I happened to stay across the street from this church that was on a hill, and I was out on the balcony one day, and they were having revival. And I'm when I say they sang day through the night, I was tired, but the joy and it sent me to a new place of gratefulness, and then I've always been very have a heart for children for sure, but then reading statistics and looking at a lot of other things, and then also my husband, who I actually met over there, my current husband, he is a doer, he wants to help the world, save the world. And I'm like, Well, what it starts with the kids, it starts with, then we go to the moms in their pregnancy, right? And not having access to resources. And his family is from Bumbuna, that's in the Tonka Lily district. And one day he was like, you know, we need to do something. You don't have to tell me much. And I was like, All right, let's do something. We self-funded that whole first thing to the tune of many thousands of dollars. Wow, but we were able to serve, you know, over 300 kids, you're like 70-some moms with all kinds of hygiene items, you name it, medical education. That's amazing. Yeah, we were able to do it. I was like, that's only God, because it's not like we were balling, but you sit me on a path, and the outcome will be that somebody will be helped. Yeah, I'm all in. Yeah, that was a lot, but that's how I got there.

SPEAKER_02 17:54

Yeah, no, I was just gonna say, I, and I love the fact that how it ties into you being hands-on and in person, not just sitting at a desk somewhere managing numbers and spreadsheets, basically.

SPEAKER_01 18:04

Yeah, yeah, that's not me. There's a place for that because it's needed. There are people that are needed for that structure, there are people that are needed for that, but there are there's a great need for the doers who will just hit the ground, whatever it is, and do the things that need to be done. People need to see a face of concern, and I never wanted to be so far removed from the people I wanted to help that I was just making policies and rules that really don't apply at this point. And I was like, Yeah, so let me get out of the office and get boots on the ground.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

Yeah, yeah, I think that's great, and I think that's it's also scripturally focused too when we talk about the body of Christ, and that everyone is not made to be a preacher, right? You know, or the hands or the feet, it has to be the body of Christ, so there's everything fits in, everybody has a part to play, and all of them are equally important because if we're missing something, it greatly affects the whole. So I love that how you're saying you're willing to be in person, face to face, and not lose that connection with people because there's some people who maybe not as either gifted or feel like their strengths are in that area of being face to face, because that's not always easy being face to face and seeing some of the things that are going on while you're trying to affect change, positive change. So I appreciate that. And it's human-centric, it's human-centric. Once again, the admin stuff is important, and one thing I try to really talk about these days and create an awareness is yeah, we have a lot of tech, a lot of the great things happen in that direction. It's exploding in tech, however, we've lost some of that human connection and heartfelt connection and community, those different types of things, face-to-face, not face-to-ai, but face-to-face. So I truly, truly appreciate your efforts, Kim, and all this. Yeah, that's really cool. That's really cool.

SPEAKER_03 20:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:06

Yeah. So I know you talked about your faith and people see Jesus' grace in you in your everyday life, and wherever we are, like you said, we're supposed to show that and wherever we're doing, wherever we are. Uh, how do you stay, how do you stay focused when things are challenging, whether it's financial or it's people not seeing your vision of things, or maybe not getting enough help, whatever it is. But how do you stay stay focused and determined in what you're trying to do to accomplish that vision?

SPEAKER_01 20:37

It's not easy, and it never is, even if you're a faith-based person, you're still a human first.

SPEAKER_03 20:45

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 20:46

And I can be very specific examples. 2025 was just not my year, it was just not. We lost our house, we had to cut everything. Like somebody said they were gonna sign a contract, and I didn't take on any new contracts because this was gonna take up all of my time, and at the last minute, they backed out. Oh well, I learned a lot, even when all systems were go, you know, and so this put my household into a tailspin, and then nothing was just coming through. And there were a lot of tears. There was a lot of God, what what I am a giver, I am a this. I'm telling God all the things He already knows about me, right? Like, God, I this, God I, that. How you gonna da da da da da? And I'm like, when I had to, we had to spend about six weeks at my mom and dad's house. Me, my husband, my daughter, to me, at this big age, I was like, I've completely failed. I've fumbled the whole thing. Let my family down. I've taken them down this road with me. And so what you need to know about me is I my entire life, I've always been the risk taker. I've always been the if I'm down, I'm getting back up. What messes me up is when other people are impacted as a result of me having some kind of issue or going down or something like that. Because me by myself, I'm like, hey, it'll I'll come back. I've lost things before, it's all good. But seeing my family, yeah, that was very different for me. And that's what made things hard. And as we were giving things away and cutting down all the bills and doing all the things and trying to refinance this and all this stuff, in the midst of that, I was just like, God, like, what did I do wrong? I think we when we go through hard times, even though scripturally it says that we are going to go through things in this life, right? Like, yeah, but you feel like sometimes you get to a level of Christian maturity, but you're like, nah, I'm good on this, you know. I had a hard lesson to learn, which could have been harder because we could have been on the street. And fortunately, we had a family that was like, hey, come on in, don't you worry about it. Come on in. Nice work out. Yeah. Power of community.

SPEAKER_02 23:29

Yeah, I think. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 23:32

No, oh no, I was just gonna say the we can't let pride stand in the way of getting the help that we need.

SPEAKER_02 23:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 23:40

And I've always really prided myself on being very independent and self-sufficient because I'm an only child, and the first thing people say, oh, you're spoiled. I have always been fiercely independent. And my parents will tell you, like, fiercely independent. And here I am, by the time 45 years old, having to ask mom and dad, hey, we don't have anywhere to go. Yep. And I was like, God, why are you punishing me? What is happening right now? I did the things. Remember, you had said, and then I did, and then the trade-off of that is that things are supposed to work out great.

SPEAKER_03 24:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:18

And but I'm like, what makes me so special that everything is supposed to work out like I feel it should? Yeah, let's fast forward to this year. 2026 has been a bang up awesome year. I can't even like, you know, but the thing is, I learned so much in 2025, and I tried to hold on to that thing. You know how when you pull the arrow back, sometimes God has a pull here to launch you there. I mean, I said it, but I was like, look, I have gone from a 2800 square foot house to a 1500 square foot townhouse that I don't like in an area I don't like, with a little car I don't like. Like, I mean, I'm mad. But I can say God talked to me about stewardship. And I was so brokenhearted that I recognized that I felt I deserved certain things and didn't steward them well.

SPEAKER_02 25:24

Ah, interesting.

SPEAKER_01 25:26

And so when I got the things, my big house and all this stuff like that, I'm like, oh yeah, exactly. I got this doctorate, I didn't work for all this.

SPEAKER_02 25:34

Yeah, I'm all that.

SPEAKER_01 25:36

Yeah, I'm all that. I'm like, yeah, I did the boom, boom, boom.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

No, I but I didn't steward what I had well. We didn't steward the money well, right? Like I was making deep in the six figures at the beginning of 2025, and just doing all the things, and it's like everything fell one by one by one. And then I look back at all, even though I'm a giver, I give everywhere. I'm trying to serve and all this stuff like that, but I didn't steward my finances well. I didn't steward the things that God gave me well. Not to say that I won't go through anything else, yeah, but when I think about like Joseph, when he ends up being over all the grain and everything, and his brothers had to come back to him and ask him, right? Like, but before that, they sold him into slavery, he was in prison, all of that, and it's like you know what? God took me back to a place of being humble, but also recognizing just because you're in this place doesn't mean you're not going to be somewhere else. So you be the best you can in this place, and I learned how to be the best I could trying to work, sitting in my mama's house at her kitchen table with my little laptop, trying to rebuild my life because I was just like, you know what? This is where I'm at, and I'm gonna be the best I am where I'm at. And that's just what it is.

SPEAKER_02 27:22

Yeah. Yeah, that's no, that's pretty amazing. And a couple things I thought about, just the whole idea. They are some of the most difficult times in life when you feel like, okay, yeah, God, I am doing everything I'm supposed to be doing here, I feel. And then you have these humbling situations come where very big challenges one way or another. And we don't realize uh a couple things. One of them is that God may be teaching us a lesson. He may show us kind of that promised land, and then we might have some grumbling, and then it takes us way longer to really reach that vision or that promised land. But yeah, maybe he's teaching us something. And also, two, just to realize that as you said earlier, he doesn't promise that we're gonna have just wonderful times and never have any challenges, but one of his promises that he will always be with us through it. So if it turns us back to face him and have that conversation in prayer or worship, thanksgiving, gratitude, and trusting in his path, then that's a good thing, no matter what it happened, to get us there. But if we turn back to him, that's what he wants us to do in all things. So it brings me back to one of the scriptures that talks about pray without ceasing. And I'm like, How the heck do you do that? It's but it's one of those things you can be praying in prayer at all times and having God guide your ways, even though we have this uncertainty, or we don't know for sure what's around the corner, even though we feel I checked all the boxes, so the what's around the corner should be better than what I think it is, you know. Right.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

Yeah, I mean, but I can say being a steward financially now, and I think this also is comparable to not comparable, but reminds me of the Joseph story when now when famine comes because it will, I I've been a good steward over my money, so the famine won't touch me, right? Like, yeah, this is a lesson I had to learn to whom much is given, much is required. So, God, if you can't trust me at this level to steward the things, I can't go to the next level because I will just squander it. And that's my heart is to take care of the things of God, right? So, so now like I reached out to a financial advisor, I got myself educated on certain things, I've got CDs, my money-making interest, whatever. If it's five, ten dollars, whatever, time hard times are gonna come. So, learn how to prepare yourself. And if that's reaching out, there are lots of free resources that people don't know about. I didn't even know, I thought you had to pay your financial advisor monthly or something. So I had no idea that when they invest for you, they get a commission off of that from the wherever they're investing. And I was like, Oh, that's something I wouldn't have known had I not asked the questions. It's just seek all the knowledge and the education that you can and be a steward over things because when the lean times come, you'll have your storehouse will be full, right? And so then you can help your yourself and those around you because you wisely stewarded what God gave you. Yes, I've learned. You don't have to worry about me no more.

SPEAKER_02 30:38

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:40

Yeah, that's what I'm good.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

Yeah, and I think it's cool too, the fact that uh God allowed this challenging time for you. So it also creates a proof point to show that He's been present this whole time, to say, hey, you're able to get through some of these challenges that you've dealt with. But before that point, getting through challenges, I mean, your mindset on it was way different, your experience and how you manage to keep taking steps forward with the help of God rather than just everything's going well, everything's going well. And then what could you tell people? Right, whether it's in West Africa or here or anywhere, that oh, when you go through challenges, I have no idea. Good luck.

unknown 31:19

Right.

SPEAKER_02 31:20

I've never experienced them. But for you to be able to go through that personally yourself, I think creates a whole new meaning and experience and wisdom that you can both coach and help because you have such a supportive being about yourself in terms of helping other people. And like you said, you may mess up things and it affects you, that's not so bad. But what's really bad is when we do things, it's like, oh, I was a terrible steward, but it now it affects way more people. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So I think that's great. What's one as we're closing down here? What's one one of your biggest leadership lessons that you've learned? Maybe you shared it already, but what do you feel is one of your biggest leadership lessons?

SPEAKER_01 32:01

Oh, leadership lessons, yeah. Now, I can't say by design for sure, I'm a servant leader. So there's very there's not anything that I'll ask any anybody, no matter where I am, to do that I haven't already done, or I'll get down in the trenches with you. All good. Um, I also would say that you can lead with love no matter where you are. Corporate America, your own thing, somewhere else. You can lead lovingly, and and you can be honest and direct, but also kind. Some great advice that one of my professors gave me when I was in my master's program. He was like, I really love how honest you are, because I've always that's something I've always been. I love how honest you are. He was like, but make sure in your honesty that you're honest with healing intentions, and that just stuck with me because it brought me from being abrupt to being like, what is the outcome for this honesty? Is it something I should even approach? And I think that's a big leadership thing because you're always making decisions, you're always impacting others, people are always looking at you, and it's just like when I talk to you, I want to give you things of value to help you grow, to help you learn, to help your relationships. I want you to have be able to have a moment with me, and then you can go out and have other moments like that with other people, yes, you know, and so if I come across abrasive and abrupt, you have a close ear to me. But if my honesty is looking at the outcome of you being a better whatever you desire to be, you being more, you understanding, you learning, then it's like, okay, that's a healing intention that I've set for this honest conversation. So I would say for sure that, and then also understanding everybody's not gonna like you. Let's just be real. You can't everybody's not gonna like you when you're in a leadership position, and especially if you're a natural leader, you become a leader in situations that you weren't even trying to be. You were trying to play the background, yeah. Right, and next thing you know, God has pushed you right up to the front when you were trying to be behind the camera, then you're in front now. Yeah, people aren't gonna like that, but I'm not here to please people, I'm here to please God, right? So I have to know that the things that I do for God will be the things that stand. I'm gonna love his people, and I'm gonna continue to lead with grace and love as long as he allows me to do so. Yeah, just what it is.

SPEAKER_02 34:55

That's amazing. Well, thank you, Dr. Kimberly Terry. This is this has been so wonderful. Yes, yes, you're welcome. Thank you for sharing and spending the time just to share about how you serve other people, also the lessons you've learned in life through some of the challenges. This has been great. I appreciate having you on. So let everyone know what's the best way they can stay in touch with you.

SPEAKER_01 35:19

So you can go to my website and you can see all the things. My for-profit and my nonprofit are there. If you go to dr kim dash spot com. So it's drkim dash speaks.com. It will take you to everything contact form. You can see the work that we've done in Sierra Leone and what we're planning to do this year. You can also see any of the consulting services that I offer. And yeah, that'll be the best way to reach me.

SPEAKER_02 35:51

That's fantastic. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 35:53

Sure, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 35:54

Yep, and I want to thank you for listening to this episode of Unapologetic Leadership, where number one, if you're bleeding on top of the people who haven't cut you, stop it. And learn some humility and make sure you're showing Jesus wherever you go. Are you? That's the question. Are you showing Jesus wherever you go in his grace that he has? And if not, that's something to stop us in our tracks and to look back to God and Christ and ask for forgiveness. Have some humility with all of that. And also, too, it's important to lead with healing integrity. I love that. Healing integrity and show up that way because if we're not leading that way, once again, how are we turning off people? How are we reflecting once again Jesus? But how are we showing community and relationships when we're doing things that may be kind of abrasive? So learn some of those things and make sure you still have some authenticity as to how you show up. And one last thing I'll say is that don't blame the situations that brought you here. Look into those situations, see how God is leading you to a solution or some answers that you can transform that can empower and expand God's grace toward other people. So thank you again for listening, and I'll see you in the next episode.

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