Lead Differently with Courage and Faith and Empowering the Next Generation, with Dr. Valencia Hicks-Harris

What if the greatest leaders aren't the loudest in the room, but the ones courageous enough to serve others with faith, empathy, and purpose?

In this inspiring episode of Unapologetic Leadership, Cory Dunham welcomes Dr. Valencia Hicks-Harris, affectionately known as Dr. V, Founder and CEO of Empower All Inc., educator, researcher, speaker, and nonprofit leader, for a powerful conversation about authentic leadership, overcoming imposter syndrome, and creating lasting impact through service.

About Valencia Hicks-Harris

A Raleigh native, wife, mother, and passionate educator with more than 15 years of experience, Dr. V has dedicated her career to empowering youth and families through STEAM education, mental health advocacy, and leadership development. As CEO of Empower All Inc., she creates opportunities for students, especially those from underserved communities, to thrive. She also teaches at NC State University and serves as a Research Associate and Noyce STEM Recruiter at Duke University, helping prepare the next generation of STEM leaders. In recognition of her impact, she was inducted into the Wake Ed Partnership Stars of Education Hall of Fame in 2024.

Together, Cory and Dr. V explore why the best leaders embrace discomfort, lead with faith, empower others before themselves, and remain grounded in their values even when the path forward is uncertain. They discuss overcoming self-doubt, developing resilient teams, accepting honest feedback, delegating effectively, preventing burnout, and creating transformational leadership through empathy, integrity, and service.

Whether you're leading a business, nonprofit, school, ministry, or your own family, this episode will inspire you to lead with courage, humility, and purpose while trusting the vision God has placed on your heart.

Because leadership isn't about building followers.

It's about empowering others to become leaders themselves.

Connect with Dr. V

Website:http://www.empower-allinc.org
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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Welcome to Unapologetic Leadership. If you felt stressed, overwhelmed, wrestling with the imposter syndrome, wondering if you're just not good enough, then this podcast is for you. So here's your host, Corey Dunham.

SPEAKER_01 0:22

Welcome to this episode of Unapologetic Leadership, where I have Dr. Valencia Hicks-Harris, who is the founder and CEO of Empower All Incorporated. She's an educator, a speaker, has been in the 40 under 40, and is an entrepreneur. Welcome, Dr. V.

SPEAKER_02 0:41

Thank you. I'm excited. When I hear my bio, I still get excited. I'm like, ooh, that's me. Yes it is. But, anyways, thank you so much for having me.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

Yeah, you're welcome. Yeah, you'll have to tell us about some of these things. Educator, speaker, 40 under 40, entrepreneur, three-time good mom fellow, Delta, all these things. But yeah, welcome to the show and tell us what you do and how you empower the world.

SPEAKER_02 1:04

Alrighty. Well, I will have to first say that I am a wife and mom and daughter, auntie, all the things. But my ultimate mission in life, when I accepted the call to go into education, was to teach, lead, and impact. So I'm a former elementary education teacher, a former elementary STEAM teacher that's the science, technology, engineering, arts, and mathematics. And at the same time, when COVID happened, I have this thirst for knowledge and decided to go back to school to pursue my PhD. And so with that, I'm like, I'm a researcher now because I love digging through the data, looking at things to identify ways to solve problems. And also I am a nonprofit leader and I have ventured into the nonprofit space now for six years, which I can't believe that. And then also a lecturer. So elementary teacher, once a teacher, always a teacher. So I work in higher ed at various universities, teaching courses that align with preparing our next generation of future teachers.

SPEAKER_01 2:19

Awesome. That's amazing. Yeah. I actually, to be honest with you, I've never heard of Steam. I've heard of STEM, but I haven't heard of Steam at this point, as far as I can recall. So that's really awesome. Very cool. Yes. Yeah. So as you've worked with nonprofits, you're still teaching, you're still speaking. Where do you think where do you see, I guess, the most important things happening around Steam? I'm assuming Steam is where you're mostly speaking about and all that. But where do you think some important aspects are to consider right now and where's the future going with all of this?

SPEAKER_02 2:53

Well, I like to place emphasis on early exposure, which is why I love to announce to everyone that I'm a mom, though my son may get embarrassed, but having the lens of a mom and of a young eight-year-old, soon-to-be nine-year-old boy helps me to stay relevant with what is happening and how things that are happening in our world will affect our youth. So when it comes to STEAM education, I think it's important to do the early exposure, in particular to individuals who come from communities that are underserved. So that they have an opportunity towards financial freedom or on a pathway towards some level of financial freedom or resilience. And to be honest, my husband is the engineer. And so when I was at an elementary school and a principal asked me to begin the STEAM programming at our school, I said, What me? You cannot be serious, right? And he's like, You're already doing it because a lot of STEAM education focuses on being inquiry-based, project-based learning, and offering our young children the opportunities to engage with hands-on materials for additional learning, right? And so with that opportunity, I was able to take all the pieces of education that are still fun, remove the burnout pieces of conferences, grades, you know, trying to meet these different standards. And I had the freedom to teach in a way that increased student engagement and also increased students' curiosity to be able to identify what problem they may face and then ideating those solutions. And so when I did a little bit more research and understanding that engineering design process, that it is a cyclical process, an iterative process, I realized wait, this is a human-centered approach. This is what we do daily as humans. So why not expose our children to that at an early age so that they can be their most productive best selves as adults?

SPEAKER_01 5:14

Awesome. Yeah, I love that. I know a couple of things. I had a couple of things that pop up in my head. When your principal asked you to start teaching all of this, and you're like, What? I can I do this? Was that a little bit of an imposter syndrome at that moment?

SPEAKER_02 5:28

Almost certainly was. Because at the time I had just finished my first master's degree, and the program that I went through was instructional technology. So it was already prepared to know how to bring in the technology piece into curriculum. And with technology, it changes so quickly that it's hard, oftentimes, sometimes hard to stay abreast of the new trends within technology. So with that mindset, I'm like, me, that's a lot of pressure on myself to stay relevant enough to expose students to not just the technology piece, but the science, the engineering piece, bringing in arts and math. So definitely imposter syndrome. And it did take several colleagues who knew that I had like digital literacy and the competencies and the credentialing to do so. They're like, Valencia, if you don't stop doubting yourself and get in there and just try it. So that was the best decision ever made.

SPEAKER_01 6:32

I think that's awesome because that's almost a parallel with my situation. I've been in the workforce for 40 years, mostly with my dad's marketing company that's 46 years old here in 2026. And I have been around and advising executive leaders, entrepreneurs, founders, and I've been a part of that for over 30 plus years in leadership. And it's like I never latched onto that as ooh, that's not me. I'm not a I'm not a leader. What do I know? All these different things. But as I really leaned into God and asked him, hey, Corey, I'm God, what should I be doing moving forward? And that's one of the things he showed me and cleared up a lot of that. Corey, all these things you think are weaknesses, your imposter syndrome, your fears, your insecurities, you being quiet and reserved. Say all those things are actually gifts that other people can learn from because people are silent, as you and I talked offline about they're silent about speaking about their faith publicly, they're silent about a lot of their insecurities they don't speak about. And I felt that way for a long time until really leaning on that and having faith and trusting in God that He's been leading me my whole life, He has never ever disappeared, He's always been present. I just haven't recognized that most of the time growing up. But it's like, oh my gosh, there's so much. Um I've been a disservice holding myself back and focusing on fear. So I appreciate you saying that whole imposter syndrome thing, because I know I felt that a lot, and I've talked to many leaders who have felt the same way and still feel that way, but they're still taking action and moving forward. So, what was it that I don't know if it was your values or what, even with the encouragement of your colleagues, what made you decide, okay, let me lean into this, let me take steps where I'm uncertain of what the outcome is going to be, but how how did you navigate through that?

SPEAKER_02 8:30

I will have to say that I leaned on stepping out on faith. Oftentimes, when situations pop up in which I have to make tougher decisions or ones that make me a little bit uncomfortable, I have realized the importance of trusting God and trusting the leadership of following Him as the shepherd to allow me to step out and to lean into those things that are often uncomfortable. Because I mean, I believe that my greatest successes have been when I the situation, the things that I try to fight against, right? To be honest, I vowed that I would never teach. There's no way you could get me in a classroom teaching little children, four walls, spending my own money, staying up late, getting to school early, mimicking my mom and all that. And my greatest joy was in the classroom, right? And then in the same way, when I graduated with my first master's, and someone said you should go on to pursue your PhD, I'm like, no way. One, I was gonna be in a program. Number two, I don't know that I'm that disciplined to be able to stay in another program for another four to six years. And again, though it is still it was still a hard program or a rigorous one, it still was the best decision I ever made. Not because it added three letters behind my name, but what example I've been able to set forth to inspire my own son and other younger people and people who look like me to continue to push forth and gain more knowledge through research in that way.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

Yeah, I like that what you just talked about to inspire and be the example for other people because, and as you're talking about working with young people and for them to be exposed sooner to a lot of these disciplines, that reaching back into that next generation and giving them not a handout, but a hand up and empowering them, teaching them to be independent to some degree, but really interdependent, because we're all a community, but to empower them with positive ideas, associations, and learning to take action. I think that's huge. And that's probably that's one of my areas I love as I've taught Bible study study to middle schoolers and high schoolers since the early 90s, so roughly 32 years, if I'm counting correctly. And that's just empowering. It's exciting when you see someone's eyes get lit up either with a new idea or new confidence they've learned, like, oh my gosh, I'm getting this, I'm learning this, and hands-on training, so to speak, uh, many of these disciplines. So I think it's awesome you empowering and creating that example. Because I think a lot of people don't realize that. Whether they feel their leaders or executives or business owners, many times they don't realize how many people are looking at them and taking notes, whether it's the young people or colleagues or whatever it is. So yeah, very good.

SPEAKER_03 11:43

That's right. That's right.

SPEAKER_01 11:46

Yeah, so real quick, I noticed it says 40 under 40. Can you explain that a little bit?

SPEAKER_02 11:52

So that happened a few years ago. And so Triangle Business Journal highlights leaders who are under 40 years old, who were making an impact in their community. I still do not know who submitted my name, but I still say thank you. Thank you so much for the recognition because that opportunity allowed for me to connect with other leaders within the community that I did not know. And so building one thing that I'm focused on is trying to disrupt silos and build ecosystems. And the only way to build an ecosystem is to be able to be introduced to people who are experts or have passions in different areas separate than my focus area. Yes, I always, you know, find my kin folk that are educators or steam educates or focused on mental health, but also you need you know that that highway approach of being able to bring in experts from different areas to truly make a profound impact on the communities that you serve.

SPEAKER_01 13:00

Very nice. No, I think that's awesome. And the key for me there is you being under 40 and being recognized by someone, once again, somebody was watching, and you weren't just sitting around, you were doing something to impact the community, to impact people, which I think is a wonderful thing. It's such a wonderful thing. So I think that's great. And tell me about when you were growing up, like you said earlier, you said you could never see yourself in a classroom teaching. I've had a couple of things I've said about myself. I will never quiet and introverted, I will never speak on a stage. I will never do this and that. Here I am. Now I I'm a keynote speaker and do trainings, and then I love coaching executives and president and executive presence speaking, doing videos and marketing for themselves, because the best way to market for yourself or to educate others on what value and impact you provide is through your own words and the things that you say, you showing up. It's funny, but yeah, you saying you never want to be in a classroom and you've learned, oh my gosh, this is probably one of the best places I could ever be. And then when you got your master's, and then when you got your PhD, wow, this is probably the best decision I've ever made. How did you, when that uncertainty was there, you know, beforehand to when you transitioned over to start taking steps toward those areas? Once again, how did you stay aligned with what was important to you? What are if you don't mind sharing maybe one or two of your values that's really important to you? And then how did you stay focused on those things while in the that mix that was uncertain?

unknown 14:34

That's right.

SPEAKER_02 14:35

Well, first thing I will say is never say never because I think that is the way in which God shows us his jokes and laughter. And you know, I love laughing and smiling, right? I have smiley faces on my fingernails, but I really try to bring joy to other people. And I believe that when I say never, I think that's God's way of like, oh yeah, I'm gonna show you. Um so when I think about your question in particular about what did you just ask me?

SPEAKER_01 15:12

You asked about that's about values. I asked too many questions. That's my fault. Yeah, I ask about what values are important to you, your purpose, your if you can share a couple more of those, if you would. And then how did you stay aligned or focused on pursuing those things when it was uncertainty and so many of these things?

SPEAKER_02 15:30

That's right. Okay, so I honestly, when I think about my values, they are aligned with my faith, you know, and I have a real big thing on loyalty, and I tell people I say what I mean and I mean what I say, and sometimes it irritates me when people talk east and walk west. And so with that, I really try to stay true on humility and pushing empathy, and that I would say honestly, empathy might even be the biggest one because I hear myself constantly reminding our son to think about someone else and the impact that our actions may have on someone else or our lack of action, how that will affect someone else. And so I say that because I know that when people bring me problems or I hear the problem, I immediately start trying to think of solutions and I'm ready to move to action because I know that history does repeat itself. I know that Ecclesiastes tells us there's nothing new under the sun. And with that, I still feel like when people just continue to talk and talk and talk and talk and talk about an issue over time, that sounds like a complaint. So if it so, what can you then do? What would you do to then rectify whatever that situation is? So, in the same way, when we you know our organization in power also focuses on mental health, social emotional learning, and mental health wellness. So we talk about anxiety and how to decrease anxieties or worries, particularly in young children, and we can share with them that maybe your thoughts, you're having a ton of thoughts at one time, but if we can take those thoughts and turn them into bubbles, right? And then with that, we can pop those bubbles because all of those worries and anxieties probably are not factual things. So, why do I bring that up? I bring that up because it was while I was doing my research in my doctoral program that I saw my same K-12 experiences in past history. So, therefore, we talk about Brown v. Board of Education and we read about all the things that our current climate doesn't want us to discuss out loud. However, I don't turn away from facing the truth and standing on hard truths and being reflective, because if I am not reflective on myself first, how then can I help to impact or move a child forward? So when I look back and read through the teachings of Bell Hooks, Django Paris, Gloria Lats and Billings, and I look at all of the things that people who I racially identify in the same way that I do, and also are women, that intersectionality of both, I'm like, wow, these same experiences happened back then, happened when I was in school from born in '84, graduate elementary school in '95, high school in 2002, college in 06, and forward. And now my son is in a system and within the institution in which it's 2026, but the experiences are still happening. So, therefore, that means that in that digging and researching, the answers have to be there. But who will be brave enough to push forward to try to do something in a different way? Who will have that? It's Women's History Month, who will have that Harriet Tubman mindset in which when Harriet went to try to free herself, and asked she leaned on her husband and she leaned on her brothers, and they were too fearful to move. So she still had to go through those swamps, learn how to. It was her father and brothers that taught her to so that the dogs will not pick up on your scent to go into the water, but that did not stop her from trying to move forward because she knew she was in a space and a place that was, you know, just, I mean, unshakably a space in which you can be locked. And I think in a lot of ways, we are still in that mindset that we have masters per se in jobs or in companies, in communities, and we're working for them instead of stepping out on faith and trying to do what's right. That's outside of like what how it benefits Valencia. I'm always thinking about not about me, but how it's gonna benefit someone else. Because again, in my home, my parents impacted on us that it is important for us to look out for the least of thee.

SPEAKER_01 20:55

Ooh, wow, yeah, that's huge. And serving others and what God was have would have us do, and in scripture talking about love others as you would love yourself, and what a different world that would be for us to treat other people like we treat ourselves, and pretty much we take care of ourselves pretty well, most of us here. So, yeah, that that's pretty impactful. And then, like you were saying for Harriet Tubman, instead of focusing on herself, it was focusing on the impact and what could serve and help others, and not worrying about the repercussions or the challenges or the pretty bad stuff that could happen if she was caught and found out. So, yeah. Right, yeah, no, that's in power, that's pretty empowering. And I know me growing up, once again, I had this huge fear lens, and I focused through that instead of focusing through God's abundance, God's grace, God's love. I would focus on everything the worst that could happen. So it's always in fear, which therefore I said, shoot, I'm not gonna raise my head above the crowd. I'm not gonna speak up, I'm not gonna speak out for what's wrong. Right. And so I kinda held back and was sheepish in many different ways that um it's like oh wish I wasn't like that, but I know, like you're saying, there's a lot of people out there that look more to this master, whether it's in communities, our jobs, our businesses, our clients.

unknown 22:17

Right.

SPEAKER_01 22:18

And we're not doing the right thing or having that integrity because we're not focusing on the impact and then walking in faith, as you've mentioned. So bunch of wonderful things you've spoken about. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:32

So I told my son on Sunday he was upset because he wanted to bring his device, the iPad, in church. Yep. And I said, no, we're not bringing, you don't need that device in church, unless, here's the caveat, I thought about it. If you were going to be taking notes on what the minister is sharing, or you're going to be on your app reading scriptures, then for sure you can bring your device. But if you're bringing it because you want to play your games or go peruse and look up football facts, write lyrics to a song, then you can do that after church. Well, lo and behold, we walk in church, and my nephew, who's around the same age, is sitting on the pew with his iPad and headphones. And then I look to the right, and there are other children with iPads and headphones. And my son's attitude is like, ooh, like, ugh, and I felt it like, oh man. And at the same time, I said, son, I follow, I don't follow people, I follow Jesus. So I'm telling you, I'm telling you what's right. And I know it's difficult. And I'll take you being upset with me because I know that I am doing things in order to prepare you, because I promise you, you're probably gonna get some nuggets out of the pastor's message to help you make it through the next week.

SPEAKER_01 24:01

Yeah, no, I love that because I think that's one of the most challenging things being a parent. And I've been married 26 years, coming up on 27, and we have three young adult kids, or all three of them are going to school. But just the whole idea of what's going on out in the world, and then we're trying to teach different or focus on Jesus, loving people, say kind things to people, support people, even though you're not gonna get anything back. And I've struggled with those things too. But when you have all their peers doing something different, and you have to realize, like you said, you have to take a stance. What's the impact with my choices right now and what I'm trying to teach versus am I gonna make somebody feel better? Because there's just like it says in the Bible, there are seasons for everything. And I'm assuming if he's like me, my kids, everybody else, there's a season or time that he can be on that device for those more pleasurable, fun things, if you will, or sporting things or whatever it is. But this is a time for being in church and worshiping and focusing on God. And if we don't get that, and our season is always being on a device at all times, what kind of future are we even looking at? And and then, two, as a parent, are you at a disservice to your child, even though it feels so uncomfortable? Because I've seen a lot of yeah, I've seen a lot of yeah, yeah. And I've seen a lot of parents, they want to be the friends of their children. We want to have good relationships, of course, we all do, but to be the friend and not really be the authority figure when it's time to be in that teaching position. So I love your I love the way you're parenting, and I love that too. I see that in your teaching, your speaking, and everything you do. So I love the impact focus.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

Thank you. Thank you so much. And it is hard, and I think it goes back to my values when I say I mean what I say and I say what I mean. So if I would in that moment, I had to quickly think if I give into this, what am I creating? And so I'm creating a bigger problem that maybe he can manipulate to talk me out of something, right? So, anyways, I don't get it right all the time, and I apologize to him all the time that you know this is your first time being a kid. Well, this is my first time being mom, and I'm trying to love that. I'm like, okay, you are extending grace to me, but actually, I think I need to you and I both need to extend grace to ourselves to understand that we're trying our best out here.

SPEAKER_01 26:24

Yeah, no, I love that. Yeah, and we're all dynamic human beings, you know, we're not just robots or that's right. Yeah, no, I think that's great. That's really great. What's one of the biggest leadership lessons that you've learned throughout your life or business or or anything?

SPEAKER_02 26:41

Ooh, let's see. I think oftentimes your most powerful and impactful leaders are the ones who do not see themselves as a leader or that try to run from leadership. And that's one. And then I think the greatest lesson that I've learned in leading over the past six years honestly is the importance of being reflective and confident in yourself and your leadership. And I say that because when we started Empower All, there were four founders, and then it was like, then there were three, and then there were two. And so individuals had to move on based on their needs, however, as a leader, I mean, I'm not the tin man. I do have a heart that I think about that, like, what was my impact? What did I do that they decided to move on? And is there anything that I could have done to help retain? And over the years, I realized that it really had nothing to do with me. It didn't have anything to do with me with why someone left or chose another path. And it was important for me during that time that I immerse myself in leadership programs, executive coaching programs, and open up opportunities for individuals who were on the board or co-leading with me to give me some real feedback about my leadership. And so oftentimes people do not necessarily like constructive criticism, or people are quick to listen with a defensive ear. So having the opportunity for them to complete a survey, I received the information, the feedback, and then I can decipher who said what. And so with that, I could have gotten a little salty, like I know you did it, but I did not go that way. Rather, I asked for one-on-one conversations because, in that one-on-one conversation, that allows someone else to know that I want to co-create, I want to build with you, and I'm working on me and I'm appreciative of your realness because I want you to show up authentically you, because I know I'm gonna show up as best I can authentically me. And so, with that, that took our relationship from being transactional to being transformative, and also stressing their willingness to serve on the board, and when we talk about nonprofit space, getting someone or multiple people to join your board and they're not going to get paid, baby, that's work, right? And someone said if you can lead a group of volunteers, you can lead anyone because you are trying to figure out how I can show them how the ROI on this is going to be far surpassed financial income or financial wealth or being paid through dollars and the time commitment, too, and the time commitment, right? So that's one thing, you know, having those opportunities. Additionally, when you are a leader who also is a visionary and you're an entrepreneur, you have to trust and know that the vision that you see or have, God revealed to you. He didn't reveal it to everyone else. So working to be able to share with them this vision, inspire them to join in, and at the same time understand that your discipline, and you talked about before when we were offline, Darren Hardy, I think.

SPEAKER_01 30:41

Oh, yeah, yeah, Darren Hardy when he does Darren Daly videos, I believe, if I got that correct. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 30:46

That's right. Okay, so that made me think about my brother. Introduced me to David Goggins. And oh my gosh. Yeah, so when I read his text, it was like, whoa, I he, I mean, he went through some gruesome things. And with the mindset, I you know, I really enjoy running as much as my needs will allow me to. But my brother said to me, he said, V, you're going to make it. The organization will work because you have the discipline. You do something for Empower All every single day, and with that, discipline will breed success. And with that, I had to realize that this was the vision that God revealed to me that I'm excited about. And so, therefore, how do I ensure to my team that I inspire them, but I also don't put the pressure on them to look at it as if that it was their baby, something that they birthed in that way, so they don't feel too much pressure in that way. And also, I guess the last thing I would say the importance in leadership is to delegate, to identify ways to find tasks, identify the skill set of the people who are a part of your team for them to lean into that. And as much as people say that they don't like to be micromanaged, I say baloney because the amount of people that do not know how to move or don't know what to do without you saying, Hey, I need you to do XYZ by this date, yeah, that it's like you know, trying to get a horse to drink water. You can carry them all the way there, but you can't make them drink. So therefore, identifying ways to properly delegate in which they feel inspired, they feel ready to move, and also to help protect yourself as a leader, not run into burnout.

SPEAKER_01 32:41

Yes, big time. Oh my goodness, yeah, you mentioned a lot of things in that, a lot of great leadership lessons. So I want to thank you so much, Dr. V, for being here and just sharing your life, sharing your businesses, sharing your speaking, your teaching, everything you share. So thank you so much for being here.

SPEAKER_02 33:01

Awesome. Thank you so much for having me.

SPEAKER_01 33:03

Yeah, you're welcome. You're welcome. Now, what's the best way people can stay connected with you?

SPEAKER_02 33:09

I am unfortunately, fortunately, all over social media. So they definitely can follow our website, www.empowerhyphenallinc.org is the website. And I'm on LinkedIn. I'm also on Instagram as well.

SPEAKER_01 33:27

Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. Well, thank you for sharing that. I appreciate it. Awesome. So thank you very much for watching and listening to this episode of Unapologetic Leadership, where Dr. V mentioned so many different things about exposing great concepts early to the young people, that next generation coming up, along with having integrity and focusing your values. And as she said, I don't follow people, I follow Jesus. So I think that's the number one right there. And then she says she speaks from truth. She's not running and afraid of things that could happen, but she focuses on the impact that she's going to create with people. And as she said, with some of the leadership principles, is be willing to have those conversations with other people and also be evaluated on your leadership so you can get some good feedback, but have the conversation so you can go from transformation, go from transaction to transformation. So thank you for being here and thank you for listening. See you on the next episode.

SPEAKER_00 34:35

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