Episode 7: Origin Stories of the Chronically Online

Gabbing about our earliest memories of experiencing the World Wide Web, aka Al Gore’s internet, and catch up on our stories, mainly RHOSLC. We also share an uncharacteristically heartfelt conversation about the impact of art in our lives before Bethany gives herself a migraine trying to explain the California Raisins to a gen z, and we play another game of TAG to yap about what’s hot this week. 

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4:34 🎨 ART TALK

13:06 ❄️ RHOSLC Catch-up

26:53 📺 Other TV (Dancing w/the ⭐️, Bachelorette)

32:00 💾 Internet Nostalgia Chat

58:06 🫵 TAG

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Transcript

Why would you do this to me? Question mark. Guys, this is rough. So we just recorded, like, 40 minutes. Yeah, and I think it's gone because of a, I think a hardware issue when I'm not 100% sure. Boo. Oh. Um, so this could be a shorter episode, or I might be able to bring it back a little snacky, a little snack, little snacky poo. Um, but we're gonna try to bring the energy back. Yeah. Lucky number seven. Man, this is eclipse season, as I've said. So maybe it's something. Something going on. Maybe we said something. We spilled a lot of tea, so maybe we said something we shouldn't have said. Yeah. So true. Yeah. Everything happens for a reason. It does. So I will say I still feel very productive today. Yeah, yeah, you have been. I built a set. Yeah, she did that. So she put her mind to it. Look. Look on Instagram. Yeah. Keep an eye out. We're gonna be posting some clippings and. Yeah. Bethany's creative genius. Yeah. So she could. So she did. Let us know what you think of our new latest. You're gonna love it. I know you're all gonna love it. Social media content venture. It's hilarious. And it's so us. So it really is. It's gonna be perfect. I'm optimistic. Yeah. Catch us when we go viral. Indeed. Um, so just to quickly recap, you had a lovely week. I did had a lovely week. I, um, saw my sister, my mom shout out Maddie, my best friend. Yeah, Maddie. Shout out Santa, mom! Shout out Jess. Um, they all listen, so. Yeah. Love you guys. Um. And. Yeah, it was just so wonderful. Like hanging out with them, getting little updates on everyone's life. Everyone's like, this is the age for it, I guess. But everyone's, like, just in little transition period. So it's nice to, like, um, just like, sit and talk through it with everybody and be able to, like, catch up. It's really special. Is this your sister's freshman? This is her sophomore year. Oh, okay. Yeah. So she's in it now. Nice. Um, she's thinking about transferring. She's dealing with dating, so it's all very, you know, character building. Yeah. Character building times. And my friend Jess just moved to Tampa. Woop woop. I'm so jealous. I wish I was there. Just kidding. So, tan. I was shaking. Yeah. She literally was like, wait, how do you look like that? Yeah. And I yeah, I, I'm just I love being in the sun and tanning. There's nothing like it. And just, like, going in the water, it's so perfect. But, uh, I have been feeling so, like, yearning for the water. So I'm glad that I got to have it and be there and get my cup filled a little bit. I am jealous. I'm so excited about. I'm going to the beach in a couple weeks. It's so exciting. Um. Different beach? Yeah. Different water, different energy. Definitely not like the kind of water you want to just, like, get in. Yeah, in the pool. A bit cold. October. Carolina. Yeah. Atlantic. But it's like moody fall. Beachy. Like I want to be in a, like, shorts and a hoodie. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Nicole Kidman weather. Yes. Princess Diana weather. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. This is like. This is. Honestly, I'm, like, looking outside and this is like, a perfect weather day. It's just like clear skies, sunny, gorgeous. It's got to be, like, 80. Yeah, it's exactly 80. Yeah. Perfect. Um, tell me about your week. Good week started a really good book. High Hopes by an able. Mhm. Um, so I'm really enjoying that and I'm making a ton of art. Yes. Her juices are flowing. I was honored to get to go to a gala last night at the Museum of Contemporary Art in Arlington. Super fun. Lots of great, um, great art artists, speakers. It was really, really fun. And I feel like. Re inspired. Exactly. Invigorated. Invigorated. Yeah. It's like really important, I think, to go look at art when you're feeling imposter syndrome. Because I feel like as I'm like trying to refind my voice as an artist, um, feeling like I don't know who I am. I don't really even know, like, what I'm supposed to be doing and going and seeing what other people are doing and how they're expressing themselves. It's just like a good reminder that there is no wrong way, and that there's so much possibility and everyone is coming at it from a completely different place. Totally. Um, so it's really like and everyone has their own, like, shtick to, like, you just have to do what's calling you. Yeah. And be the most authentic. You'll see several pieces by the same artist that look very different and they're using different materials. I shouldn't feel like, oh, is it like off brand if I switch to this other medium? Or if I mix mediums that aren't generally mixed a lot? And sometimes there's on brands like I know. Yeah, you totally should. Yeah. So it's really nice to like, have a little reminder and be around people who are like minded and who also appreciate the things that you appreciate. Art is so cool because it's literally I feel like a really unique facet of society where like being different and having and being like authentically you and having like your own maybe like abnormal or like non-mainstream interests or like vibe is like really, really celebrated and like embraced because otherwise I feel like we're just that fear that you're talking about of like, hmm, is it weird if I do this or whatever? Like, art is like the place to do that? Yeah. Other areas of life is like, no, don't be weird. Like, stay in your box. Yeah. So I really appreciate that about art. I totally agree. I was at a table with, um, Alvin Hall, who's a, like, financial podcaster and author, and he's also a producer of a lot of, like, documentaries. And, um, he has a documentary coming out. Um. This fall. I think that they said like not to talk about it, but we also did like a, a documentary about like the stops on the in the green book. Mhm. Um, but he was talking about because he's also an art collector and that's kind of his main passion now. Um, and he spoke and he talked about how like art has kept him going. Yeah. And like his love of art and experiencing art like, has allowed him to like, experience so many other worlds and ways of, like, literally people go through around the world. And he said something that like, really kind of lifted my spirit that was like, art is hopeful. It's like brings you hope in like these dark times, and then it'll always be there. And that's like for sure important. Yeah. In these times especially. Yeah. So it was cool art. Yeah. It literally does like it's like multiple universes but like in like a tangible. Yeah. Shape in like a, like a at a micro level. He was saying like he went to he was born and raised in the South. He went to Yale. And then he went and saw this exhibit that was all about, um, it was like a video installation or a slideshow of clips. Um. Of like, downtown Manhattan. And he was just like watching or looking at all of these pictures. And he felt like by looking at it, he knew what it was like to, like, live that life. That's so true. And that art that kind of like, takes you on the journey is so important because it can put you in the shoes of someone and like, totally let you experience like a little snippet of life that you wouldn't have experience with. Fig tree. Oh, guys, we were really spitting wisdom. We really were. Yeah. If I can recover these, if we can, I'm gonna try. But it seemed pretty janky. I don't know what happened, really. Like, I had to I had to basically turn off and on the weird, we were just too powerful. We were spitting too much wisdom, I think so, I think so. And the tea was too hot. Yeah, the tea was very hot. Yeah. Um, but yeah, it's like the fig tree thing. Like you get to art really is the way that you get to sort of like agree. It's like project yourself into those. Yeah. I went I had this really wonderful experience. Late last year where I got to do some coaching, um, with a colleague, and we were going through some exercises together and talking about, like, um, what we wanted to be when we grew up and relating that to like what, how that made us how we are now. Mhm. True. And I said that I always wanted to be an actress because I did not I didn't know that about you. I did because I wanted to get a little taste of like many, many different lives and different jobs. So true. Specifically jobs like I was like, what if I could be in a movie and be like a football player and then an artist and then a baker and a spy and all of these different things? Yeah. Then I would like, get to do that thing for a little while and then go try something else. Yeah. Which obviously that's not what it really would be like, but like. No, but I just wanted to, like, I want to try everything. I want to try it all. So then I end up not trying anything, which a lot of people with like ADHD will relate to. So true. Yeah. But yeah, like that's the parable of the fig tree. Yes, exactly. You can't decide which fig. They all look so delicious. And then. And you just paralyzed by it? Yeah. They all rot and fall off the tree. Exactly. Sad. Exactly. Yeah. You have to just sort of like something that helps me with that is just trusting that I'm experiencing a different path and a different lifetime, different universe. Like, I'm like, this is I just have to listen to my, this version of me and what she wants and trust that, like other versions of me are getting to like, live out these other. I love that. Yeah, I love thinking about like, the multiverse theory. Yeah, I definitely there's various versions of me doing different things. Totally every like little decision. I'm like, okay, that's cute. I it's almost it's weird. Maybe this is like a BPD thing, but, um, I can feel myself like splitting a little bit in those moments. Not like in a real BPD way, but like, I sort of like, feel like, okay, you can, like, sense when you're having that sliding door moment. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Crazy. Super crazy. So yeah. Love art, love the arts. It's very cool and I'm jealous you got to go to a gala. It was fun. But I also like I wish that when once I had been there. Now that I've been to one, I missed last year's. Hopefully I'll get invited again. But, um, there were a lot of people who were very casual, and I just don't like. Well, it's not 100% sure. The weather was very humid, it was very steamy, and I hate dressing up and doing my hair and makeup and everything when that's like the weather. So I wish I had known that I could have gotten away with a little bit less. Um, but I'll know for next time. Yeah, totally. Yay! Yay! Adulting. Yep. We were talking about. Yeah. Recap on the Salt Lake City. Salt Lake city housewives. I'm so I I'm sad that you haven't seen episode two, but you've seen clips that enough clips that you know that there's a big fan. I know there's big, big T I know my queen Lisa is back. She's back. But she's not having she did not have a good episode. Yeah. When you when you devolve like when a fight hits a point where you're just calling someone a pig. Ooh, you've lost the cheese. Yeah. Automatically she's like, you're a pig. Oh, God. Lisa. It's bad. Oh, she loses control so quickly. The thing is with Lisa, which is like. I feel like not. She's normally. Well, I think she's not used to people being ready for her. Yeah. Um. Attacks. The one I love, Lisa Barlow. She's one of my favorites. Yeah, same. But she does. Always. Someone else pointed this out this week. Another podcaster that was like. I think it was on the Watch What Happens podcast. That her attacks are always like calling someone a slut. Which I wish she wouldn't do, but she is always like, you know, honor code. What? Yeah. Or. Yeah, like you do this or you do that. And so the. She's a little judge, a little judge. She's judgy. Yeah. For sure. Middle child, um, is really coming. Hello? Hello. Um, I think that she. I love her, but I do think that she is just maybe this middle child thing, too, but, like, really defensive. Yeah. Like, she and that, to me, sometimes comes across as, like, you're you must be being inauthentic in some way because you're, like, not letting people get. Like, I feel like she doesn't have any, like, real close friendships on the show. Yeah. And yeah, Meredith is like P. Look barely present. Yeah, like she is just sort of like sundown. I'm really surprised that she's still on there, to be honest. Yeah. She is not participating. She probably saved her ass with the Britney dispute because I feel like otherwise she doesn't really have, like, a storyline. Oh. From last season. Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. You can leave. Oh, no. That was Angie. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. Oh my God. I wonder. Yeah. What did she say in that sprinter van that they always like clip back to I forget, but last season was so good I saw. Yeah. Let's. Okay, so we were in the middle of recapping episode one. I have a few full recap, but like, yeah, you wanted to to bring up a couple things. So first, so happy that they have finally redone their intro looks. The ladies look great. Yeah, it was real janky before. So it was from season one I think so. And then they just kept adding people in and it was like weird looking. Yeah, and it was weird to see Heather's old. Yeah. And face and body like she looks completely different. Happy for her, but also like she is becoming insufferable. She is. Let me think before I say. Brittany is my least favorite. Um, I think Heather is, like, second least favorite. She just for me. I also think that she's super judgy, and I think that she that more so is coming from a place of, like, insecurity with her. Like, she just reads really, really insecure to me. Yeah. And I think similar to Lisa, she doesn't let anybody from what I see and definitely not the viewers in on like the real juicy stuff. Like, she doesn't talk about dating at all. No. And I'm like. And she is, you know. Yeah, I know she, she's dating. She's not talking about it, but she put like a gag order. I remember one season they were like asking her about it, and she was like, I'm literally not talking about that. Like, yeah. And I don't understand that because when she first got the season one, there was she was dating people. Yeah. Uh, on camera. Yeah. And having fun. Yeah. I don't get it. But she is really I think I said this before, like, she's really giving Lisa Rinna in the like. She's just surfacing and stirring the pot and not letting us get to know her. Yeah I agree. And that's what you signed up for. Yep. I totally agree with that, I think. Um, yeah. We we don't really know her. Yeah. So, um, it's hard for me to get behind and root for someone, if you like. Stand for nothing. Yeah, exactly. And she's so wishy washy. I feel like she, like, esteems herself as, like on being, like, the the voice of the group almost in some way. And being like the the compass of the group or like. Yeah, she thinks she's Greek chorus and she's like, not. She's just nothing. She's just like, yeah. And the, the way that she is so desperate to be like, liked by the popular girls, it just bums me out. It's like it's giving a person who peaked in high school a little. Yeah, totally. Which I feel like she, on some level, like, is still stuck there. Yeah. Because of the insecurity. Yeah, she's for sure. Um, I want I want to. Heather, please tell us about your dating life, girl. I need to give us more. Yeah, give us more, because it's not. Oh, my God, this is what I was gonna say. That I was like, I shouldn't say, but I'm gonna say it anyway because it actually has some. It's been brought up on the show before. I wonder if she, uh, dips her toe in the Lady Lake and, like, doesn't want that to be a part of like her. Identity or like reflected back on her girls. Because I remember when if you're a Salt Lake City watcher, you'll remember Heather's infamous black eye. And everybody was like, Jen Shaw gave that to her because they were like, doing it so dirty. Yeah, like they were just like. Or like they were doing some kinky shit and like, she just, like, bonked her head somewhere, like I did. You know, now that you say that I had forgotten about that, I, I kind of bought that. I totally bought that back then. Yeah. Just because her relationship with Jen was so weird. So odd and, like, codependent and stuff. Yeah, but, like, totally, definitely homoerotic. She just. To me though, Heather just does not read as gay at all. Like it's like a zero scalar. Yeah, yeah, she does it. Like I just feel like she is like, so she reads as very straight to me. Hmm. I don't know. I think that she. I wouldn't be surprised at all. I think she is someone that, um. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised at all, to be honest. So I want to say a couple things about this episode. Two, do you have any other any other thoughts that you wanted to. Um, yes. I also wanted to comment on Angie. Shout out whatever you are doing, you need to release it to the masses because she is looking. She looks bomb com. She's like, she looks amazing in her, um, confessional. She's glowing. Yeah. Like on the show she's going. And then I saw her on Watch What Happens Live eating it up like she's just like flying the day away. So I don't know I don't know what they're going to grease this season. Right. Yeah I'm very excited for that. She is going to be she might be one of my most favorite characters. She's in a real time. She's like an all time great like great cast. Inter like a what am I trying to say mid franchise edition is really good. Yeah she was an iconic grab. I'm very like um slow to adopt or slow to warm up to new housewives I am too I'm slow to warm up to really. Any new additions? Yeah. Um, but she I loved her or I love her. She's great. Yeah. Um, so yeah, she is looking bomb. And I also wanted to comment on the editing. The editing of The Blair Witchy. Yes. It's so funny, but, like, I can't tell. So, like, beyond even, like, the Blair witchy, like, video cam stuff, but Brittany is like doing. Um, just even like how they're they're just. I can tell that they're having fun with it. Like, so I, I think Heather said something about, oh, it's when they're all, like, going in on Lisa for not being on the trip. Yeah. And Heather is like. Like, I don't know, I'm not saying anything because I've worked really hard on my friendship with Lisa and like, I just need to be there for her right now or like, some bullshit. And the editor's like, cut to her. Like, like like them, like cackling together and like, they like, just like am to like, whoa! Ha ha ha. And I was like, it's so funny. They are like, uh, Bravo! Just in general is doing a lot more editing. And sometimes I like it, sometimes I don't. I liked that interspersed. There was a lot of like doing people dirty where I can't remember. I think there was a really great Whitney moment where Whitney says something and they flashback and really make her look bad. Good. Um. It's great. Whitney to I there's there's few things that give me more joy than like the producer's dunking on Whitney. Yeah, but I will say, well, no, I don't want to interrupt the the Blair Witch, the like, scary in the woods stuff. I thought that was a little bit. It's a little cheap, like annoying. Yeah I didn't it was not my favorite. But it's also like, where the hell are they? How did this happen? Like, why are they? They were done. It was like a dumping ground. And I'll say to, like, spoiler alert for you. Like, the next episode starts and there's it's not addressed at all. They don't talk about like, oh, they made it their way back. It's just like, oh, good morning. We're here the next day. So it's a it's like, okay, um, odd. I hate when they jump around like that. And I'm like, okay, something clearly didn't work. But like, I want to know the deets. Like, yeah, you know, I can't wait to tell you my take on episode two. Episode one. Oh, okay. Tell me. We have like another Whitney from Mormon Moms. And then Britney is like my new favorite. I love this woman is full. When she stood up and said, I have an announcement and said. And me and Jared got engaged and then we got unengaged. I stood up and saluted the TV. Oh my God. I was like, oh captain, my captain know I love this woman. She's so crazy. I love her so much, I love her, she's a mess and I love her. Like sorted. Uh, yeah. Relationship with Jared Osmond. It's so crazy. She's the best. But she's the on that that part. Like, she gave them all camcorders to record. And she said because we can't have our phones. Was that addressed? Like, are they not supposed to have their phones while recording? She said because we can't have our phones. Yeah, maybe like maybe there's like a dig at like, oh, like you guys don't want me to. You guys are being weird or like, would were weird about me that like, it was just a throwaway comment. Like, I was like, is this is brand new because they always have their phones. I don't get it. Were they not on their phones, I feel like. I don't know, it must have been just like something I didn't catch. But I wanted to know if. Maybe she's just talking with me. She's just talking crazy. Um, we've talked about this before. Where I feel. So you, like, pick favorites based off of who you enjoy watching the most? Yeah. Who's the most entertaining? I pick favorites based off of who I would like the most and get along with in real life, who, like, I would want to be my friend. So I think Brittany bothers me so much because she would drive me crazy as a friend. So how do you feel about Mary? Because I don't want to be within ten miles of Mary Cosby. But I like love her. I would be really, really scared of Mary. Yeah, but I would, I think I, I really love her aura. And like, I think she would. Look, take one, look at me. Read me like a book. Yeah. And then I would cry for the rest of my life. If she if she didn't like me, I would. I would have a big problem. I would have like a, like a crisis life crisis. Like I would freak out. But if she liked me and we were good and like, she could just, like, I wouldn't even mind her little, like, Dick Diggs. Yeah, like, I do think she kind of digs people she likes. Yeah. If she doesn't like you, she'll just ignore you. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but I love one. Yeah. Like Brittany's just saying random shit, like, oh, we're driving by my house, and Mary. Mary is like, we can drop you off. That made me laugh. That was good. So iconic. And like she's a massive get for that show. Like she really makes it better. I love when she won't participate. She's like me in that way that she's very direct where she. Yeah, there were a couple seasons ago she just went on the van like, rather than do the field games or whatever. Dumb shit. And then she was asking the producers to take her to McDonald's. I was like, that's me. Me? Yeah, for sure, if I like. But that's me. That's me. That's who I want to be. I think if I was on a show and and this was my job and like, not at all like I think I would be like, oh, like I need to go do this. I wouldn't have the balls to be like, bitch, I'm standing in the car and take me to McDonald's. Yeah, but iconic. Like, I want her to be my friend. Yeah. So I really I really love Mary as, like, a character. She's really entertaining as, like, a person. I think she's really entertaining. Amazing. Um, so I'm excited to for you to, like, get more into it. Yeah, I'm excited to recap episode two. Real quick on Utah. Um, Whitney on dancing with the stars. Also, what is she doing? She looks amazing. What are these people think? That they all. They're just so young, and then they are just getting back to pre-pregnancy. But also, everyone gets really in great shape. On dancing with the stars. Like. Yes. Shape wise, like body. She's slaying. But just like even her face, like she looks so different. I felt like her face has always looked so good. Like her. She might be getting better filler now, I think. I definitely think we might have talked about this last time. I definitely think that she. We saw her like post pregnancy and post really stressful time and then also like pregnant. Yeah. So this is like the first time we really seeing her like yeah. To her true self she's a pretty girl. Like they're yeah they're pretty. They're all beautiful. But like I and I think she, I actually I watched a little dancing with the stars. I thought she was doing great and she was getting like unfair scores. So I was like, that sucks. I did not realize with the audience voting, you have to be prepared for that. If you're kind of someone who like a controversial don't like. Yeah, I have also seen that she might that people feel like the judges are being harsher on her because she has a dance background which, like low key, they should be because. But there's like an unfair curb. No, no, no, she like, got her degree in dance. Oh. So she actually does okay. Yeah. That's interesting. So here's the thing that Bill and I were talking about earlier today that I'm curious, um, he has observed that like Whitney, Whitney goes the hardest. When they're doing their TikTok dancing. Yeah, but for like, I think it's hard. Doesn't even describe it. She goes so hard. I think her and Taylor are the best at that style of dancing, and I don't even know what that is. Is it just like the like Charli D'Amelio like, style of like, you're swinging your arms. There's a lot of like, ash come to me. Oh, yeah. Like hand motions and, like, swinging back and forth. Yeah. Um, I think while lip syncing. Yeah. I think that Taylor is this is my, like, sort of outside of the show. Even take Taylor I feel like is good at that. But in a really, like, subtle way. Like she doesn't even really she doesn't go as hard as we know. It just looks cool. It looks effortless. I think it's I think that's just because she's she's very her energy. Yeah, exactly. So I think she's just like delivering it really well. Yeah. But she doesn't actually like, dance Hard. I remember them saying in episode one of Mormon Wives that Whitney and Jen were like the best dancers, and I do. Jen is like, I don't even notice Jen's got the groove. Yeah. So. And I think it's funny now that they're the ones that are on dancing with the stars. Yeah. So. I will say I saw some discourse online. I was seeing a lot of opinion about her casting as The Bachelorette. Yeah, and there's some interesting perspective. Basically, the main the gist of it is Taylor is so ghetto and that she could never, like a black woman, could never act the way she acts. Mhm. And then get cast as The Bachelorette. And that's a show that I want to say is like 100% true. But it's so unfortunate. That doesn't mean to me that doesn't mean we shouldn't have Taylor. To me it means like we should have to make it more like we should have people be allowed to be messy. And. Yeah, I want the messier, the better person. Yeah. Like, I think about, like, I think my favorite one of my top reality shows of all time is I love New York. Yeah. All you need to know. Oh. The show. I love New York, which is a dating show with Tiffany Pollard. Um. New York. Oh, okay. Um, who? I think she Maybe the first thing she was on. I'm probably gonna get this wrong, but she was on Flavor of Love. As a contestant, she did not win. But like that. Those dating shows are so messy. They're basically the Bachelorette. But just like with her, um, in, like, cinematic. Oh. Chef's kiss. Oh my gosh. Incredible. When was this? I bet it was like the height of, like, just messy reality TV. It was. It was like, I feel like I have the year like 2002 in my head, 2002. This might be too early. No way. VR was like 2013. I was thinking it was like 2000, 2007, 2000, uh seven and eight. There's two seasons. The second season is the best season. Okay. Um. God, oh my God. I was just like, that's a great watch if you've never watched it. Yeah. Um, I haven't watched. It kind of feeds into like the age gap topic I wanted to talk about today. So maybe we take a quick break and then come back and talk about mystery topic. Okay. Mystery dinner. Okay. Mystery topic. We're back. Uh, I wanted to talk about internet nostalgia. Oh, yeah. You and I are both chronically online. Definitely. And I was thinking a lot about, like, the really? Because we were talking about Fred Gellhorn. Yeah, a couple weeks ago. And it felt like such a throwback. Yeah. Um, and that made me think about, like, what are the things that I like was full all in obsessed with. Yeah. In the old days of the internet. And your old days are going to be different than mine. Yeah. So I was like, let's make it a top five. Well, what are the what are the old days? Because it it has to be in the same like time range. Right. But based off of how old we were in that time range, because the internet blew up around the same time for us both, right. Yeah. But I think that, like, I would imagine that we're both we're gonna have different like. Yeah, how we used the internet. Um, for sure. I'm looking at like 2003 ish as, like the earliest parts. Yeah. And then spanning into really just like that decade, the 2000 dots, um, are where, like, most of mine are from. Yeah, I would say same. Um, okay. My first memory of the internet. We can start there. Oh, yeah. Let's talk about that. My first memory of the internet was, um. So I was born June 21st, 2001. I guess that's my full government birthday. Let me say instead, let's just say the year I was born in 2001. Yeah, obviously 9/11 happened in 2001, a couple of months after I was born. My first like memory of the internet was coming down the stairs. So it must have been like a couple years after 911 first happened and my mom was like sitting. We also, I'm sure you had a similar setup. Um, if you had a computer at home where there's just like one you had like a computer family basically. Yeah. Like you all shared the computer. Yeah. Ours was in, like, this armoire with, like, files and things like that. And my mom was sitting in like, our, you know, like, second living room slash computer room area on the family computer, like, crying about, like, a nine over 11 memory. Oh, God. Like reading something about it or something like that. I didn't really understand what was happening. Yeah, at the time. And in my memory prior, I was like, was this on Facebook or something was. Facebook thing, then I don't know. My mom is a my mom's like OG. Wait, was this 911? Or was this she was reading? No, I don't think. I used to think that it was nine over 11, but I was like, that doesn't make sense. I was only a couple months old. There's no way that I was, like, walking down the steps. Yeah. And understanding what was going on. Yeah. So it must have been maybe like the first anniversary or the second anniversary of it or something. Okay. And yeah, my mom was like og chronically online. She like, not in a social media sense, but just like she does so many, even still to this day, just like rabbit holes of, like, research on random things. And so I'm sure she was just looking something up and got emotional about it. So that's my first memory of like watching something with the internet happen because I wasn't going on the I wasn't allowed to go on the computer until I was probably, um, like seven or so, like once I was like deep in elementary school. And then my first like, experience on the internet was definitely, I think, like Barbie games and like girly games. Oh, like, that was really big for me. We were like, I remember there was a Barbie game, like the Barbie Hairstylist game, and you could like, make a different colors and like blow it out or crank it or whatever. Um, crimp it. Yeah. Um, and then there was like little, like Polly Pocket type, just like little flash games. Yeah, exactly. Little like girly flash games. So let me just say my first experience with the internet. You had to, like, dial up into the internet. And it was so hard, like. Oh, wait. Yeah. Did that happen when you would turn on the modem thing? That was when you turn when you turn on the internet. And I think we would use like the phone line. Oh. To connect. I wasn't involved in all. It was probably like before. But that sounds really familiar. Yeah, you've probably heard that before. Like when you were very, very little. Yeah. True. Um, and then, like, I know my dad was doing all kinds of shit on the internet. Uh, but I didn't know anything about that. Yeah. Um, I just like, I don't know. Do you remember Microsoft patents? Yeah. That, like application. Oh, my gosh, I loved that. Yeah. I think that, like, my, my dad would occasionally show me, like, meme sites and stuff when that was like, new, like there was occasionally he would like, show me, I would ask for, I would ask to see the California Raisins, and he would show me these weird little pixelated videos of, like, the California Raisins performing. What is that? I heard it through the grapevine. What's the California raisins? Uh, how do I describe the California raisins? I don't understand what this was. There's, like. I don't even know how to. I'm showing you the California. Hello. Tina's. Just chat. What is going on there? Like, I don't really understand what category of thing this is. If I look at their Wikipedia, it says it's a fictional R&B animated musical group. And that's true of VeggieTales. They would do. Yeah. And they would do commercials and stuff. What I don't understand like this doesn't really translate to today. Hmm. I can't think of a thing that's like this today. Although maybe I'm wrong, but like. Mm, it's bizarre. Very bizarre. And that's, uh, like they started in the 80s, went through the. I've never seen it in my life. Um, unless it's like a distant memory. So that's like a very early. And then for me, myself. Yeah. Personally, there were like little blog sites. There were like little websites you could make, like little HTML sites. And I don't even remember what the it was always, you know, something site slash whatever. Yeah. But I can't remember. But. So you made it. You made a website. Yeah. Before until and then when you basically when social media started in Myspace came out in 2003, you just made a Myspace and then you didn't mess with like, yeah, a building your own website. We didn't have Myspace or I didn't at least. Yeah. Um, Facebook was like the first social media that really blew up. I feel like I was in elementary school, maybe like fourth grade. When people people like. Were like, oh yeah. Like I have a Facebook like my mom let me have like the under oh yeah. Whatever. Facebook. Um, which was crazy to me. That's crazy. Yeah. Facebook. Damn. Facebook's been around Myspace. I met my first husband. What? On Myspace. We met through friends. We knew we had mutual friends. Yeah, okay, I thought that. Yeah, we, like, actually, like, met on Myspace before we met in person. Oh my God. And, like, had chatted on Myspace before we met in person. Whoa. Yeah. It's like a true. It's like I was a true. I was a true pioneer of online dating. Exactly. Yeah. You're paving the way for sure normalizing it. Um, and that was so frowned upon, like we were, I'm sure. Yeah. Uh, told, like, never, ever talked to anyone, but. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm talking about, like, so, like, that's, like foundational stuff, but, like, I like how you mentioned these little Polly Pocket fun games. Yeah, the stuff we, I did, the earliest stuff I can remember are there were a lot of like, silly websites. Do you remember, do you remember the little, um, the little Microsoft like, paperclip guy Clippy? Yeah. This isn't the internet, though. He's just saying like Microsoft on like Microsoft. Old Microsoft like really is nostalgic to me. Like more than I probably wasn't really allowed to go on the internet other than like. Those Barbie Barbie games and like, Papa's Papa's games. Yeah, eventually. Um. Oh. My dad also made me there was like, oh, cool. Math games. Do you remember that? No. Okay. We had like a website, cool math games. And I don't know if it was like. It was probably like school approved or something. I think you could go on it at school. Um, but my dad found out about it at work, like, much earlier than that and would make me go on and like, he was like, these are the games you need to be playing. Like the little like like the rectangle cube and getting it in the whole, like, flipping it to get it in the hole. Uh, so I was thinking about, um, the Homestar Runner. Did you ever mess around with Homestar Runner? I think so, so Homestar Runner was like a whole website that was like, had all these little shows on it. There were all these little flash shows. So there was, um, Strong Bad, the shows. There was Trog. D'oh! The little dragon. Um, interesting. Homestar runner, I think, had his own little shows. And then there were there was Teen Girl Squad, which was my favorite one. The teen girl on the internet or on it was on the internet. It was on, like, I think that the the website was just Homestar Runner. Mhm. Dot com maybe. Um, I don't know if they like a lot of the stuff I can't find anymore. Homestar runner is still up. Yeah, I just saw it. But there were a lot of these, like, old little weird, just relics of the internet. Yeah. There was another flash site which I can't find anymore. But we had a lot of these meme videos, like the, um. Have you ever seen, like, the badger song? Like badger, Badger, Badger, Badger, maybe. Or like the. It's peanut butter jelly time. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Um, there were, there were sites where the stuff like that would collect and get posted and there were just silly videos. It was almost like before YouTube. Yeah. You would go to this collection of weird places for YouTube. Yeah, yeah, I remember oh my gosh, when YouTube came out, that was like also sort of my first YouTube was huge social media. Yeah. Like watching get ready, get ready with me like before. That was the thing. And just like the makeup videos and I got into makeup videos really because of my wedding. So I got married in 2011 and 2011, right? No. 2008 Jesus. What? I was seven years old. This is the premise of the podcast that I am older than you. We could continue to harp on this, but it is true. It's so crazy. Like. But you were right. You are like I was young to get married, for sure. I was 23. Yeah, um, but I basically went on YouTube to figure out, like, how to do my makeup for my wedding. And then I just found, like, this, like, cornucopia of, yeah, makeup videos and was obsessed. Like, I loved Nikkie Tutorials was great. I'm trying to remember the two sisters. There were these two sisters. I did not look this up beforehand because 11th. Gorgeous. Oh my god. Um, wait, that's a different pair of sisters. But I did like I did watch them. Um, an L Fowler. That's the other one I was thinking of. All that glitters. All that glitters. 21 I'm gonna look up the girl that I remember. She hasn't posted in four years. I hope she's okay. But she had a sister also. Um, and they would sometimes like post. They each had their own channel, but they would sometimes post together. But it was crazy consumerism. Yeah. Like looking back on it now, for sure. Uh, like, I'm kind of grossed out by the, um, the consumerism of it all where they were just, like, doing hauls and all of this stuff and even that, like, it's nothing compared to what people do now. But yeah, it was sort of the beginning of that type of like unboxing, right. And hauling culture. Yeah. But the other thing that was YouTube that I wanted to ask you about is if you had any knowledge about or thought of Lonely Girl 15, which was like a serious Gossip Girl. Oh my God, lonely girl 15. Started in 2006 and had me in a chokehold. No. So like it was just this channel. It was this girl talking to a camera. And she would. She was just sort of like a little depressive, very pretty, very normal. And she was just talking to the camera as like a video diary, but occasionally things would get a little strange. Like she would make comments about how she wasn't allowed to leave her room, or like that her parents were in a cult and it, like little bits and pieces would come out where like. And then she would make friends and then there'd be like a friend in the video and she'd be talking to them. And then nobody knew if it was real. Yeah. And it came out that it was like a fictionalized it was a fiction serial. So, um, so the family stuff was made up. It was all it was a show. It was like a produced, made show. But they didn't tell anyone as a show. So it was almost like the way the ancient, like war, the worlds where like they did that radio broadcast and people were scared and freaking out because they thought it was a real news broadcast. But it was all a show. Yeah, that's it was sort of like this, but only 15 was like a real journey that went on. I think this was two years too early for me. This is 2000. It says 2000. It was so cool. And then I remember she Alexander Dreyfus. Oh. The Maine girl went on to go and do other, um, other things acting, but I don't. And I remember recognizing a couple of people, um, go on and do other things, but like, I just loved it and went on for a year. I think it still sounds like it went on for over a year. Um, but it was like it just truly had me in such. I was like, all in. Yeah, I was obsessed with Lonely Girl 15. Mm. Well, was there anything like that? That was like a scripted story type of thing that you were into? I've also never really fully been into YouTube, like a lot of people from my generation. And like, my friends are like, yeah, that surprises me. Yeah, I'm really, really not into it. Like people, people have, like, actually most of my friends have like creators that they like will follow and like put on while they like, eat or like, yeah, cook or like whatever. And I just like, yeah. G and I both are like, not into YouTube for whatever reason. I, I've been less so in the last like decade. But I was very people are really into it was a big YouTube consumer for for excuse me like my 20s. Yeah. I think like my cousin has always been on there and like just. Likes. I also loved a lot of. I loved a lot of the comedy stuff, um, and some of the really drama. Like, there were a lot of super popular YouTubers that like Troye Sivan and then, um, Connor Francis. I think he dated for some period of time, but I was really into Troy's videos and all of his little friends, like at the time when they were just like teenagers. It was just really fun to watch, I would say. So my like the things that come to mind with, um, YouTube for me are like the makeup. Yeah, uh, the makeup videos. And then also like the makeup beefs. Like the beef between Tati. Yeah, exactly. James. Charles, when when that happened, I feel like I called out of work. Yeah. Like, I just, like, said it, like. Yeah. Dealing with it and processing it. Yeah. That was like huge when it was happening. Incredible. So yeah, like the makeup s makeup space and that drama. Um, Emma Chamberlain I remember like getting started getting into her like lace. Like everyone was already obsessed with her. But getting into her late, um, and like, she like the that sort of crowd, like Summer McKean. I think her name is. Or like the those twin boys. That Emma was friends with. Remember that everyone was obsessed with. But whatever. So like that, that sort of like friend group or like. What about Ingrid? Um. Ingrid Nilsson. Um, I loved her, and I loved like Hannah Hart. Did you ever watch my drunk kitchen? No. She would get drunk and then cook. Oh my God. And it was very funny. And then she eventually did a lot of comedy videos with some other people like Grace Helbig and Brahma, the Brahma Bakery, the that cookbook that you have. And I follow her. I like her stuff. She started doing, um, like garden and bake videos. Oh, fun. So. And I'm like, oh my gosh. And she just like, she didn't rub me that way. So I was like, this is cool. I want this life. Yeah, I want this life. Exactly. Oh, um, I was also really into watching music videos on YouTube. Yeah. One of my most early, um, internet like family computer memories is watching the buddy Holly music video on, like, real player downloaded from the internet. And it was like a thumbnail, like it was so small, like you could barely see what was going on. Yeah, but it was like, oh my God, I'm watching a music video. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Um, I'm trying to think to like, was there ever any, like, scandalous stuff that, like, your friends would show each other and then laugh about? Yes. What was what was that? The one. I'm thinking you or something. What's this? Hello? Oulu. Oulu? Wait. Omegle? Yes. Oh, how did I know what you were talking about? Yes. Omegle. I was terrified of Omegle, but that was like. That was scandal. Like that created a lot of a lot of fear for my parents from my parents. And, um, that was sort of an kick too. Is that what it was? Or quick kik? I don't know quick. There was a I can't I'm googling it. Um, and I can't find this anymore. All I can find are references of people who are saying they want to build this. But there was a before Omegle, there was something that you could go on and basically like, the only thing you could do was like, you could create a doodle, like you could draw. It was like Ms. paint, but then you would like draw something for the person, so you couldn't. There was no sound. Mhm. You didn't like see each other, but you were just like it was like Pictionary almost. Yeah. And so that I remember taking screenshots as a kid because people would draw the funniest things and weirdly, maybe I just was too innocent. I never saw anything dirty or weird. It was just, like, funny. Funny? Yeah. Like, there was someone drew, like, a picture of, like, a cowboy with a huge butt. And it made me laugh so hard. Oh my God. Like, Omega was not that vibe. It was so, like, scary dick. And then, like, show me your boobs. Telling people to kill themselves. I feel like I see that, like clips of that. Um, I didn't have that, but I'm not surprised. The internet is scary. Like there's scary. Yeah. The early stages of the internet were really unhinged. Yeah, and I feel like kids. Lawless. Lawless, for sure. And, like, we we probably both were young enough. My generation definitely was like young enough, where I feel like our parents didn't have like a full understanding of what there would be access to or like really what was going on and how to like, put good safeguards in place. Yeah. So it was just I mean, my parents were just like overly strict about everything. So there was no real way for me to, like, get into trouble. Mine were strict, but like, every control that was on the thing my brother could figure out because he was like a computer genius. Yeah. So, like, I think he installed a keylogger really early on. So, like, my dad would have passwords and everything, and my brother, like, got the passwords and then would tell us them so we'd be like, all of us knew how to get into everything. But I also never did anything like bad, bad, like the only times I'd ever see porn were like, acts like an accidental add. Oh my thing. Like I never saw anything. Like, maybe we should talk. Talk about that as, like, a future episode. Totally. But, like, come back to hear about my first porn experience. I think that I just had, like, an angel taking care of me. Honestly, that's. That is what it feels when you are, like, sort of, like, safe in that way, in a way that, like, doesn't make sense. And you're like, this could have so easily, like not been this way. It's either dumb luck or it was like some kind of like someone was looking out for me. Yeah, it just wasn't meant to be. Mhm. The I think the golden. What's your golden age of like for myself. Internet. Oh for internet. Because for me it's fine. Nothing's compared and nothing. Yeah I would say like Tumblr kind of. I thought you said you were not really a Tumblr girl. I was like an outskirts Tumblr girl. A lot of like that content I saw, like, from my friends or like, um, on Pinterest. So I got, like, sort of I wasn't allowed to have the actual app and, like, be on it or have, like an account for anything. Yeah. But I saw it was like that. Just speaking of like that era. Yeah. That was like golden time to me where I was like older ish and sort of it was like beginning to introduce aesthetics and things like that. I do love the like you can just curate like a, a vibe using Tumblr or Pinterest. Like that's a, that's a net positive, I think. Totally. That's like the best. Pinterest is literally like the best form of social media for me. I still, I think I would give all of it up. I would burn it all down to have vine back. Yeah. Like. Vine was really, really original. And you know what? My conspiracy of the day is like, they know they can't bring vine back because they would unite us all. Yeah. And like, put the power, give the power back to the people. And like peace would be they want to buy a TikTok. Oh, I can't even talk about that. Yeah. Did you see that? So I'm like, weirdly, I've been keeping up with, like, tech, like, richness stuff. Nice. The guy that heads Oracle, Elliot something, Larry Ellison. Yeah. That, um, I first found out about him because there was an article that came out about how he donated, like, made like an angel donation to, I think, the University of Michigan. Okay. For like, some, like, all star football grab that they were trying to do or maybe to like, keep the head coach. Something to do with football. And it's because no one knew this. But his current wife I believe is an alum. So they were like, it must have something to do. Like something to do with her. Um, he surpassed Elon Musk as the richest person. Yeah. For like a little wee bit. Just because of how Oracle's been doing with AI. But wait, why did I get started on this TikTok? Yes. He he's he he's he owns the data basically. Well, and he's He's gearing himself up, like working with the administration to to take it over. To take it over. Yeah. So he will most likely be the buyer, it seems. Yeah. I have seen a lot of conspiracy stuff. I'm like, yeah, we're going to get I'm not going to get into all of it. But there's a lot of dark stuff, scary stuff happening right now. We don't want the the Men in Black. I don't want the spooks to show up. Yeah, I live too close to the Pentagon. Yeah, that's so true. Um, there's weird, like, oh, no, there's some weird shit going down. And I'm actually kind of, like, afraid. I'm glad that I don't have. I'm like, talk, right? Becoming agoraphobic. I think that, like, the, the solution is to become the opposite and, like, go out and touch grass and be amongst people in real life. That is definitely the solution. But watch this space. That's all I'll say. Yeah. And like be on your guard. Yeah, exactly. Keep your head on a swivel as my father says. Ooh, I like that. Yeah. That's like a great visual. Just like Sentinel mode. I'm going Sentinel mode. Mode at all times. Yeah. Um, I know that you have a time thing, and we lost some time this week. Do you want to do a tag real quick? Yeah. Okay. You go first. Oh, yeah. Let's take a break and then we'll do tag and then we'll do tag. Okay. Boop. My tag is gonna be, um. This person I met last night, uh, at the gala. Mhm. Cute. Um, his name's Fulton Lee, and I feel like I should know who this person is, because when I go to his Instagram, he has 2.2 million. Oh, shit. Um, it does sound kind of familiar. He's from Richmond, which is great. Love that. And he does on his, um, basically, like, his brand is bubblegum funk. And he does this, like, just really upbeat, happy, really cool music. And he's, like, insanely talented. Cool. Um, his performance was, like, incredible. That's awesome. Um, just love what he's about and what he does. Yeah. And so I would say go check him out. His content's amazing. He does these videos where, like, he sets up with a table and just says, come sit down if you can sing. And then he sings duets with people. Um, and it's just really great. Heartwarming. I loved it so much. And he was like, really on board with the organization from last night and what they were about. Um, and so he's like. Just cute and lovely and, like, positive and fun. And so, um. Yeah, he's my he's it for me this week. So it factor Fulton tag tag it. You're it um my tiger it I think I'm going to make it Shonda Rhimes. Okay. We're going to Shondaland. Yeah. Shonda land. I was, um, on my flights this week. I was watching Charlotte Queen Charlotte the like. I like the original. Yeah. Um, and it was I've seen a little bit of it before, but it was so good. Like, she just she crops such an amazing, like, um, like, this came from a woman. Yeah. Story. You know, and just like, story scape and, like, environment and characters and, like, just like so many of the men, I was like, you were written by a woman, like, I can I can feel it. Like it just. She creates this just world that is really easy to escape into. And it was really nice to because I'm such an avid reality TV watcher. There's sort of like a, um, an innate awareness that these are real people which sometimes can, like, I don't know, just hit a different way than, like, fake people do. So. Like watching this, like, fake story play out with fake characters. I was like, wow. Like, I'm not used to watching this and it's so good. It's like the story is so cool. And the Queen Charlotte sort of has a really different, um, like plot plot points than her other the other Bridgerton shows, I feel like, because it touches on sort of like she's like rewriting racial history, sort of, which was really cool in Great Britain. And then also like it touches on like mental health and like sort of exploring that in that day and age. So it just was like really like really deep, good, enjoyable watch. And I was like, this woman's a genius. I am so happy. Yeah. That you were enjoying that. Like, I love it like a period piece. Yes. I love the costumes and like the rich. My God, the costumes too. Like, I just was like, there's a there's an episode where, um, Charlotte is just, like, basically getting dressed and redressed for, like, breakfast and dinner, and she's just, like, waiting for the king to come back. Yeah. And all of the dresses were, like, jaw dropping. And because she was getting undressed, like, you could see, like, sort of like how they were made, and it just, I was like, this is insane. Like. Yeah. Actually insane. I love that so much. I like a lot of her oeuvre is not for me, but Shonda Rhimes is one of those people who I feel like such career envy and respect and like, respect. Just so I'm she's so, like, prolific and like, everything she touches is gold. Seriously, that like, I'm just like, Shonda land for real. Like she is just like a genius. Like, yeah, a complete genius. And she's such a like she comes from such a, like, educated family and they're so smart. Like, I think that her. I think that parents are both like, PhDs. Yeah, I, I feel like that's just a, um, that's something we're missing right now in, like, this period of I feel like. There's such disdain for education. And I'm like, no, like, you want really educated people who, like, know how a good story is constructed and know how to write and know how to like, craft, craft and strategize like how the next five years is gonna look exactly in your in your like niche, like, but broader context in the world, in media and society. Like that's how you gotta keep the bangers coming by. Just being like smart as fuck. Yeah. And like, and she's doing it. What a cool lady. Yeah. Cool lady. She might be added to my my dinner party guest list. Yeah. I couldn't get into Bridgerton after season one. I'm gonna have to get back to it. Oh my God, season two is so good. Season three is also really good, but I like I felt like I got so drawn in. I should try it. You haven't seen Jonathan Bailey in his prime and you deserve that. Oh I agree seeing Jonathan Bailey yearn. Oh I like the article I don't. All good. All fine. But like, I was so, like, taken by the older sister and her love story. The fact that it sees into season moves through people. Yeah. It's frustrating. I'm like, but I was so attached to them, I wanted to know I love their that really. You know who I really wanted to learn more about? Is there a season about the brother who went off to be an artist? Yeah. Oh, um, there hasn't been sexual one. Yeah. No. Not yet. I think he's next. That's what I want to see. Yeah, I want to see his, like. Like Andy Warhol life. Yeah. Like he has a he has a funky life. Yeah. She. Yeah. She. Did you read the book genius. No I haven't, I hadn't either. Yeah. But yeah. So she's she's my it girl I love you Shonda. Entertainment mama. Also congrats on Grey's Anatomy. Just still going. Yeah girl. That is like a generational wealth machine. Yeah. Which slay. Slay. Yeah. Well, thanks for being here with us. Yeah. Thanks, guys. And if I cannot, um, salvage that first half hour, I'm sorry for the shorter episode, but, like, we we persevere and we'll be back. Yeah. Um, it means wealth, so in abundance. So we'll have a we'll have a big one next. Yeah. Remember to blow cinnamon in your front door this week. Um, on the first, the first of the month, you're supposed to blow cinnamon in your front door. That's cutie. And you'll make money. Did not work for me in August, but it is my own fault for quitting my job, right? Okay. Boop boop boop boop. Uh, like and subscribe. Subscribe to the age gap. Uh, like us on our hit our waistline. Smash the follow button on Instagram. All the things, all the things. And we'll be back next time. Yes. Bye for. Right.