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Part 2 Seleana and Timbre discuss Women's History Month
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Seleana and Timbre discuss Women's History Month and talk about 4 different women who were all 1st in their field of work or study. Not only the 1st woman but the 1st ever in the event. The importance of which is often overlooked.
This is the Disco Podcast, part two, celebrating Women's History Month. Hello, everybody, and welcome to Disco, diverse and inclusive stream of conscious observations. This is our part two celebrating Women's History Month. I am your host, Timber, and with me as always is my other host.
SPEAKER_04Hello everyone, this is Selena. Welcome.
SPEAKER_00Thanks for joining us again. You know, we have Selena and I today uh picked two people uh for uh to discuss today um of historical women and who were very, very influential. Right, Selena?
SPEAKER_04Correct. Yep, yep. Yeah, and if you didn't hear before, we're gonna do this all month long. So we have our two that we picked this time. Well, each of us have two, so that will be a total of four that we're gonna talk about tonight. Um I'm excited.
SPEAKER_00I am I am too. I am too. You know, and I and I hope I have the names right for mine, because mine are very, very obscure. They're um now you and I both pretty much have picked virtually besides I think besides one for you, we both have picked firsts. Right? Um the was recognized as the first, or if not not the the first.
SPEAKER_04Actually, believe it or not, both of mine have a first.
SPEAKER_00Really? Okay.
SPEAKER_04Yes. Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_00And mine are more or less recognized as the first. Uh um there might be you know some little wiggle in it of of who was really the first, because my my mine predate. Mine go back to almost BC. My mine are um very, very, very easy.
SPEAKER_02Start with one of yours.
SPEAKER_00Early, early um influencers, if you will.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, influencers back then in the early 1800s. Is it that?
SPEAKER_00Oh no, oh no. My mine go back to um uh let's see here. 1014 or 1025, so this is very early. Like where it's you know, within even a because it's so early before really written language and and historical, you know, record keeping. Uh um, we're done.
SPEAKER_04Why don't you start with one of yours? Okay.
SPEAKER_00Well, my mine is uh my first choice is the first novelist, um or fur first known poet or writer. Now I'm just I'm going off of Wikipedia here just for my notes on my screen. Her name is Marasa Marasuki Shikibu sorry, Shikibu. Marasakai Shikibu or Shaijo. Um she's uh Japanese, so please forgive me if I have her name wrong. Um especially because I'm sure I'm mispronouncing it. She was a Japanese novelist, poet, and lady in waiting at the Imperial Court in the Hein H E I A N period. Sorry. And she was the best known for the author of the Tale of Genji. So she is widely recognized as the earliest known poet or writer. Um you know, and it's so awesome that we have these people. I mean, that this is before men were recognized. This isn't this is not just the first woman writer, this is the first recognized writer. And that's what I've been trying to pick for the Women's History Month, because we don't we usually talk about um about men generally.
SPEAKER_04Um when we were talking about the first person, first person, right. Yeah, you're correct. It usually typically is men because of the historical history of documentation, typically uh, you know, men or women for the longest time weren't considered.
SPEAKER_00Right. Or the you know, or they're they may have been there doing that as a first, but either a man will adopt it for himself, or she's just not simply not recognized she's the because she's the woman.
SPEAKER_04Right, exactly. That's powerful, but first first poet or novelist.
SPEAKER_00Isn't that awesome?
SPEAKER_04Yes, from Japan.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and uh and they're um they were excluded from even learning other languages like Chinese. Um Heian women were traditionally excluded from learning Chinese, the written language of government. Um but she was raised in her her Erudite father's household, and and showed a precarious aptitude for Chinese classics and managed to acquire fluency. Yeah, um, so yeah, it's it's really wonderful that somebody was able to, hey, look, I'm gonna learn this whether you like it or not. And I'm gonna do this whether you like it or not.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, they just wrote it and developed it, I guess, obviously. You know, most poets, you know, they feel it, like feel like we need to put it down, put it on paper, do something, right? Say it, let it be known. So I can see how that could drive her to wanting that. That's cool.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04That is cool. Um, yeah, you you're top that first for by far for me. Um, but like I said, both of mine do have a first. Um, did you have more about yours?
SPEAKER_00Oh, I I uh um I mean that's a huge Wikipedia page on it. I mean, I could go well, well into it. I mean, um but uh you know we we have certain limits on time and things like that, you know. So um I would I strongly encourage people to go look up these names for themselves and learn for themselves because you spell her name. Sure, that's absolutely that's M. Let me be sure I got more the way there. M-U-R-A-S-A-K-I is her first name, then S-H-I-K-I-B-U. Now I'm gonna put all this, of course, into her website, into um our blog page, and um titles and descriptions to be sure that people have that have this information as well. And I'll and um um hopefully this this is this is sort of a new for me now, too, because we're really kind of trying to you know create a better podcast. I could be putting in photos and names and things like that if I can. Post, edit. Yeah, post. I'd be preemptive in describing that. Um because I mean we tr we try to make this a condensed podcast, make it easier digested for people. I only have a certain amount of time. I don't have an hour like Nova does for one person.
SPEAKER_04I I just didn't I didn't want to cut you off if you had more to say and just jump right into my that's all.
SPEAKER_00No, that's fine. Uh what what is uh your what of your what is your first choice for to speak up today?
SPEAKER_04I'm gonna talk about actually Virginia Wolf. And her actual name was Adeline Virginia Wolf, but she went by Virginia. Okay. Um she was born on January 25th, 1882. So not quite as old. She was a young person in comparison to yours. Sure. You know, but yeah, she was born in um Kingston, London. And what she is known for is she is a poet, is oddly enough, she was known for her poetry, but also for um writing books for novels and so forth. And she wrote she also didn't do essays and you know, all types of different literacies that were back there. Her husband was called an essayist, I didn't know that that's a title, but um yes, and she was her father was Sir Leslie Stevens, which I'm like sounds like royalty in London. I don't know how too many people get called Sir, but I don't know. They didn't I didn't find any research stating that she came from a royal family, but he was a historian and an author, and her mother, which was Julia Precep Stephen, she was a model, and then she was a nurse, and then she was actually an author as well.
SPEAKER_00Right, and I think that's how we most of us recognize her.
SPEAKER_04So she's like embedded in she was she was destined to be an author. Right on, you know, um, and what she's mainly known for is um her use of the stream of consciousness primarily as a narrative device, which uses that. So um I found a good definition for anybody who's like wonders with the stream of consciousness, even though it's definitely part of our podcast with Disco. Right. This is also what pulled me towards her. But they said it's defined as breaking from traditional narrative structures to emulate the raw, unfiltered, and often disjointed flow of the human mind.
SPEAKER_00And it's talking and that's what I love about it because that's how I think oftentimes and write. And I just this uh just like a linear thought. Now, granted, it's not one line for linear thought, it can go right.
SPEAKER_04Which I I mean I reflect back on a point because I was like, how is this different? Because I I find there's a lot of authors that actually do write kind of you know, with a stream of consciousness, they they tell from a narrative point of view as well, not only just the character, you know. But I I thought it was interesting to hear that she was like that's what she was known for. So it obviously wasn't that big of a thing back then and uh style, it was you know it wasn't a big style, it wasn't the way of style writing in the late 1800s. Uh she though also she also okay, she there's many there was plays um based off of her. There is um she's best known though for her books, and she has uh book, she wrote classes called uh Mrs. Dalloway and The Lighthouse, and she also pioneered pioneered um she pioneered feminist tech and called A Room of One Own. And that's one thing that you know big about. Um and she was best known for for those books, but they also have made movies about her, which I didn't get a chance to watch, but Who's Afraid of a Virginia Wolf? Was one of the movies and um in 1966 it was nominated for 13 Academy Awards. Wow, there's only three other films um that have been nominated for every eligible category. And that is uh um Samarin, which is C-I-M-A-R-R-O-N. Okay and recently centers just recently so um it was one of but they did win five awards at that time and uh one of them so like they were one of the first to be nominated for that many categories. Um and one of them that won was uh best actress who was Elizabeth Taylor, that played in that movie, which is pretty cool. And this film was also inducted into the Library of Congress as a preservation in the United States National Film Registry for being culturally, historically, or anesthetically significant in history. But she wrote a lot about feminists in building people up. They also have another movie that's more recent called The Hours, and in that it has Meryl Street, Julian Moore, and Nicole Cuban. I mean she has big stars that actually plays her roles and information and it kind of shows the significance of her. She sadly did suffer from a mental illness. Um, it was triggered when she was younger. She had stepbrothers that sadly abused her where it started, and then she lost her mom when she was 13 years old from rheumatic fever suddenly, and that also that triggered a mental breakdown. When I was hearing about it at first, it sounded like schizophrenia to me, but as we've read more and followed up on it, they actually were considering it bipolar with the manic depressant. Uh probably some excuse to try and uh well they didn't have they just had they didn't have a word for it then.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_04Um she was just mentally and saying that this had mental, you know, because they didn't have a grasp on mental illness back then. But they said now looking back and talking about it, a lot of people would say it was bipolar, I guess. It was considered more to that. Um yeah, she developed that suffered through that throughout her entire life. Uh up and down, and sadly, in the end, that's what took her. Um one day she we knew she was about to have another mental breakdown. She wrote her husband a letter, let him know what she was doing, filled her pockets up with rocks and a coat, and went into the river and just lay there until it took her. Yeah. And um found her like I think maybe three days later. I'm not 100% sure that it might have been three weeks later. One of those, but it did happen. So sadly. But she's known for her style of writing, of basically writing off the hook. And it might have been part of her mental illness that helped develop it or made her bold enough to write that way where others were fearing from it, or it could have just been part of her. But it's cool that she was known for the first that's what she was known as, and she um did build a lot of women and said a lot of she did write a lot of books and stories.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, she did. You know, and um a lot a lot that were turned into movies as well.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And no, what who did what did you say the play that won? Was it a Tony? A play that w won an award, or or was it like an Oscar for Academy Awards. Academy Award, okay.
SPEAKER_04The movie did. I she did it, she they did do a play on her too.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_04I'm trying to remember the name of the play. Um I think I have it in my notes. But they did yeah, they did do a play too. There's a book. I can't remember. But yeah, they they a lot of the stuff. Oh, a good poem that she was known for is a summing up poem to read.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_04Oh. They did the play in 1962 of Who Was Afraid of Virginia Wolf? So they did a movie and they did the play.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Because I wanted to recognize and do a quick shout out, not to take attention off of Virginia Wolf, um, because we're we're on that subject of awards for literature and movies, and um is Autumn Durald Archapah, where she is a fur she's the first woman to win an Oscar for Best Cinematography. That came came out this weekend for the 2026 Oscars.
SPEAKER_04Oh, yeah, I did read that. I did see that, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Which are which is amazing. I mean, it's I mean there is that were made. Yeah. Which uh which is really, really wonderful that that she uh got that award.
SPEAKER_04It is, definitely. Um I just want to end with for her real quick. Sure. Uh one quote that she's famous for, which actually I like. It says, for most of history, anonymous was a woman.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. Thank you for bringing that up. I did that, didn't even occur to me.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I was like, oh yeah, 100%. Most of history, yes.
SPEAKER_00Or they use pseudonyms or or pen names or something like that just to hide who they were because they weren't allowed to write or publish anything.
SPEAKER_04No, but those men though wouldn't mind taking their writing and not having it being directed towards a woman and selling, like getting having the claim, you know, so they would have anonymous. I love that from so yeah. That's Virginia Wolf.
SPEAKER_00That is really, really awesome. I'm gonna have to read more about her. I'm going, I have my notes up here.
SPEAKER_04Both of mine, one thing, she died at 59 years old. Both of mine died in their 50s, sadly. Really young.
SPEAKER_00Right, but was that young or old for that time?
SPEAKER_04I don't know, it's probably old, but it's young.
SPEAKER_00But I mean, not not not not not to discount her or anything like that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. And who knows, you know, like sadly for her, it was suicide.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Who's your other one? Okay.
SPEAKER_00Um, okay, the my other one, and forgive me on my my this name here. She's also um uh author and poet. N Hedwana. Um E-N-H-E-D-U-A-N-N-A. It's 2300 BC. Um, she is considered the first recognized, known by name, author, and poet. Now that's why I want that's why I put a caveat earlier. That, you know, there's been others, obviously. There's writing was formed at, you know, at different times, different places in the world. These are the the in a scholar scholar sense, you know, historical sense, um, these were what I picked were what are regarded as the first.
SPEAKER_04Both were regarded as the first poet.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, the first named, first named author and poet. That's AI over over overview.
SPEAKER_04So who actually you think was the first?
SPEAKER_00Um well, she is the earliest author, regardless of gender, to be identified by name rather than re remaining anonymous. As you said. Okay. As you said, as you said, you know, most most women used anonymous.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_00Um. Yeah, uh. She has uh her work has consisted of forty-two temple hymns. Um and she's a daughter of Sargon the Great, the founder of the Akkadian Empire. She is appointed a head to lead the religious organization of the Sumerian city state of Ur, U R, to unify the newly conquered region. Her hymns to the goddess Inanna helped blend Sumerian and Akkadian religion traditions, and her writings were used in scribal schools for centuries after her death. So these are a very obscure people. But I mean, these were, like I said, I really wanted to pick out historical firsts. And I would have liked to have picked, you know, um, you know, the somebody more relevant of you know modern modern age, but if it wasn't for these people, uh and Idwana and Murowski, you know, it may have they they might not have been recognized otherwise.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And they clearly have and they all clearly have influenced society.
SPEAKER_03Recognized. Or her mother. So yeah, good point.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So please, I mean I'll I'll get these names in in our descriptions and things like that. And I wish we had a lot more time to talk about these people and have a nice, big, beautiful presentation. And slideshows and things like that. And that's coming. That's coming.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's alright. We'll get there, you know, with it. But you know, we don't need too too too in-depth either.
SPEAKER_00I did want to, I like I said, I did want to recognize these people.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and I appreciate it. Yeah, because like you said, the first without them, there would not have been a Virginia Wolf for sure.
SPEAKER_00That's a very, very good point.
SPEAKER_04So my last one that I have.
SPEAKER_00I love this one. I love, I really love this one.
SPEAKER_04So do I. Madam C. J. Walker. She was born as Sarah Breedlove. That was her original name. Um, she was born on December 23rd, 1867. You know, I started thinking about this for a lot of black people, uh, especially she was born to slaves, but she was actually um the first child born free. So it was right after it was right after um freedom. But she was born on a plantation. And for a lot of people, the day that you were born, birthdays, they didn't know. They weren't allowed all days and time. I mean, they didn't, it didn't matter. You did what you did every day. You know? Um, I think they learned the times by the sun. So it's interesting to me to see that it was December 23rd. But I thought about it, I'm like, but that's Christmas. So two days later, I'm sure that they would have known like the community was celebrating or their their, you know, their masters, because they were on the plantation, were celebrating for Christmas and and to to be aware of that. But anyway.
SPEAKER_00But but they were but but were they allowed to record or read and write then as well?
SPEAKER_04I don't well, they were free.
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay. I was talking about thinking about earlier, like the yeah, they they just became free.
SPEAKER_04Now whether or not they knew at the time, you know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's that's another debate.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she was born, she though sadly she lost her parents. Um, she lost her mother at seven and her dad at eight. So she lost her parents rather young. Um, and then she did act she married her first husband at 13. So not that much longer after.
SPEAKER_00Um that may have been common for that time.
SPEAKER_04I I think it was. And her husband, they were she was married, her husband died like and I had it down, but I don't he he died like five, six years later.
SPEAKER_00Wow. Was he all quite quite older though?
SPEAKER_04Was he don't know. They did not state. Um I did and I didn't dig. I didn't dig to look for it any further, which I could have.
SPEAKER_00Well, we we uh we like I said, this is a these are short podcasts, right? You know, and and um because we're picking four people, they're not very in-depth. We give try to give people the the quick synopsis. So what it what does she do and why is she significant?
SPEAKER_04Okay, so Madam CJ Walker was basically the uh she developed hair care for black women, uh, basically. So, how did this all come about that she did this? And uh there was a woman, Annie Turnbow Malone, who hired her to be a commission agent for her own hairline, like you know, uh for white women. Uh and she did that part-time, and while she was doing that, her full-time job, there was a she there was a gentleman, um, she was working for a guy named Schultz. He was a whole house drugist in Denver in Denver at the time. Okay, and he got wind of what she was doing. He was like, What is that? You know, I could analyze it and then you can tell you what's in it, and then you can decide like if you want to take something in or put something out or change it up and maybe make money yourself. And that's exactly what happened. And she did change it and develop stuff for black women for their hair.
SPEAKER_00Okay, can you can you educate me a little bit on that? Um, because women women of color have a textured hair, is that right? I mean, I I I have my own crazy hair.
SPEAKER_04We we don't have oil.
SPEAKER_00Okay, because I I need certain hair care products for my hair, but yeah.
SPEAKER_04No, we don't do you cannot put oil or our hair ends up really dry. We need to add oil, our scalp will get drier, and as you know, it's more coarse, it it needs more moisture. It's kind of a lot like well, I guess I can't say it that our skins are all about the same, but um, yeah, our we we require a whole lot of different products. We do not wash our hair every day, right? That would dry it out and break it off. That's not good for our hair.
SPEAKER_00Interesting, okay. Because uh because I've been told even for white people to only shampoo your hair maybe once a week.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and not all black people shampoo per se. Some do, some don't. It might just be conditioning with it. Um, because a lot of shampoos have been made to strip so many natural oils from your hair, and we need our oils.
SPEAKER_00Well, I think was it there's a product on I don't want to name it. Uh um that's supposed to not strip oil out of hair, it wasn't right, it wasn't race focused. Um, well possibly it was it was a it was a TV ad. It's supposed to be very natural, but yeah. That's beside the point. But um but it was significant for your her culture, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_04Yes, yes. And not only did she develop the hair care to help us, she also invented the hot comb. Which I don't know if you know what the hot comb is.
SPEAKER_00I I think I've probably seen it in question comb.
SPEAKER_04Some people call it a straightening comb.
SPEAKER_00Oh it's more like the flat iron?
SPEAKER_04Call it the straightening comb. They'll call it a flat iron. No, now it's a flat, there is a flat iron now, but okay, if you never had her hot comb, it was literally a comb. I've I probably have one still here. Um I've used it on my hair, yeah, I was a little girl, and I don't I don't anymore. I don't straighten my hair and do all that anymore, but I used to uh all the time. And yeah, the hot that changed so many things. She was uh some people did criticize her, saying that she was trying to change black people to be white into like to pacify and to make us feel like we're more white. Where her her desire actually was to make a woman feel beautiful, especially black women, because they really were made to feel beautiful at that time. Uh and you know, being able to get your hair done, there was no hair salons or anything like that for black women. So she developed them, she made that, and she she must have made a lot of money. She did. She became the first self-made millionaire in America. No matter the fact. The first self-made and male in America.
SPEAKER_00Isn't that amazing? Because there's millionaires and billionaires are very controversial right now. Um, there's very, very few people who are self-made added. Yeah. It's mostly right now, even then, too, it's old money. And inherit, or or the other way of putting it is inherited.
SPEAKER_04It's very difficult to we are trying to. Well, I know that we we talk, my culture does talk a lot about generational wealth, which meaning the need to build generational wealth.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely.
SPEAKER_04And uh one thing about her, she was building generational wealth, not only for her, but she was building for our entire culture. She hired uh black women to be agents, she she opened different shops, she opened barber shops, she hired black women, black men, she hired us them to give us jobs and be profitable and to be best. When she passed away, she said though, two-thirds of all profits must go to charity.
SPEAKER_00Wow.
SPEAKER_04Yes, that's rare.
SPEAKER_00That's rare, even I mean, yeah. I I think it's about 10% is what you're almost allowed to now. I mean, for a tax write-off, you're not allowed to want you to do. They're not, you're not actually allowed to write that much off.
SPEAKER_04Um yeah, that's the amount that they want. But she said two-thirds must go to donations, and a third of it went to her daughter.
SPEAKER_01Wow.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and the other rule was it must always be ran by a woman.
SPEAKER_00And this is all late 19th or very, very early 20th century.
SPEAKER_04She well, she died in 1941. Or no, no, no, no. Sorry, that was no, that was um that was Virginia Wolfe. Um, I have hers.
SPEAKER_00I have here 1919 is when she died.
SPEAKER_04Yes, she died May 25th, 1919. She was 52 years old when she died. Um, but she, yeah. And in honor of her death, her daughter did build this building that she had a dream of because it all started in Indianapolis, but then she built a beautiful home in New York, uh, one that's never been heard of, that she actually could rub elbows with. Because, you know, she was one of the self-made millionaires, so white people did accept her, having a lot of parties. And she brought, she would bring black musicians there to uh and then also bring bring white white people who would promote them, who would help them to try to coordinate and try to boost her own culture um with it. But when she died, they built a huge building within that building. There was, of course, a beauty salon, a barber shop, there was a theater, there was a shopping mall, there was a tailor, there was a grocery store, there um, you know, one of the significance of the theater, and she actually sued a theater fact that it because of the segregation rules.
SPEAKER_03Wow.
SPEAKER_04I don't think she won, but it was significant now that there was all of this was for black people that they could go to because they they couldn't go to these things before, and there was a coffee shop called Coffee Pot, and that became like one of those social places. I want to see if this place still stands, these buildings stands.
SPEAKER_00I bet a lot of them do.
SPEAKER_04I I know her house that she built. So, but I she just changed so much. I mean, she changed the culture for black women, especially for her hair to be able to fashion doing that plus she hired and gave so much hope and jobs and build the economy up so much for black people as well in a time that everything was against it. You know, it's just think uh I just I'm bad, yeah, and you just keep going. It's well done for a great woman, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, to be able to go out in public and look presentable, smell nice, be able to take care of yourself, and well, it's to feel like you were presentative right, that's right.
SPEAKER_04Right, it wasn't and and like don't get me right, she did create the pressing comb. Yes, they used that for a lot of women back then too, but they also she had products for the natural hair too, and for black women to keep that if they didn't want to do the other, you know, they did they were doing the finger wave, the finger, like those things were from back then, and that she implemented in helping making everybody happy.
SPEAKER_00That's nice, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yes, yes. So those were um our four great women that we wanted to recognize tonight on our podcast. Um, I liked ending with her, the first self-made millionaire.
SPEAKER_00Right, that's a great, great way to end it. Yeah, I can't wait to talk about my two picks for next week.
SPEAKER_03All right.
SPEAKER_00I uh well, I'm moving into science and I'm moving into science uh from next week. The first in science.
SPEAKER_04I don't know. You guys will have to tune in to see because I'm just gonna go with whoever I'm feeling as I'm doing some research on different women, and whichever one seems to pull at me, that's who I will talk to you guys about.
SPEAKER_00Right, right. So thank you everybody for joining us. You know, um celebrate women's history month. You know, do study up. You know, if you want to, if you think there is something something to know about somebody or you know, look it up and and get to know our history and historical women figures worldwide. Because there's more than you realize. I was really surprised how I just picked far back as Timber. I mean, I I I mean I I had a lot I had to narrow it narrow it down quite a bit because there's a lot of women first and a lot of I mean there are women and women of color who helped the Apollo program too. And which there's a movie on. There's a lot of his history that women contributed to. So thank you again, everybody. Be well, and thank you, Selena. Thank you for your sharing, your detailed share.
SPEAKER_02Yes, you're welcome.
SPEAKER_00All right. Take care, everybody. I'll see you all next week. Bye now.