Seleana and Timbre discuss human rights vs civil rights

 Seleana and Timbre discuss the differences between Civil Rights and Human Rights 

reference: https://usidhr.org/human-rights-vs-civil-rights

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SPEAKER_01 0:07

Hello everybody, and welcome to Disco Diverse and Inclusive Stream of Conscious Observations. I'm your host, Timber, and with me as always is my fellow host.

SPEAKER_00 0:19

Hello, everyone. It's me, Selena. Welcome.

SPEAKER_01 0:22

Hey Selena. How are you doing today?

SPEAKER_00 0:25

I'm okay. I'm okay. It's been a day, tax day. It's been a long day, weary day, but you know it's okay.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

Yeah. Still waiting on my mind populating right now. I've been hitting refresh on my browser. Waiting for my to come back. And I'm okay. They do Eastern time. Central time or West Coast time, wherever wherever I am.

SPEAKER_02 0:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

But you know, it um it's nerve-wracking. You know, they were they're waiting on the last couple documents they didn't get from from me, you know, till like the last second. So hopefully mine are getting taken care of right now. But that's beside the point, because we have something more important to talk about tonight, don't we?

SPEAKER_00 1:09

We do, we do. I um actually was sitting and thinking about this, and it just came across my mind, and I was like, huh, it's a good topic, I think. Actually, I was wondering, um, I want to talk about what is the difference between human rights and civil rights. And um and representative, because basically I was thinking, like, you know, our civil rights and human rights are pretty much the same. Um, because they they give rights for like if one human can be treated one way, which is where the civil rights is coming in and saying that, you know, we need to treat someone this way, that way, the other. If one human is allowed to and another human's not, then actually that's a human right that's being taken from them. That's where my thought process was going in thinking about it. I'm like, so really, how do they define the difference? Because I was thinking, I only thing I can think of that the difference is is civil rights as proving the division and and enforcing the division and saying that it's okay to be divided as humans, uh, as you, you know, as I was going through. But researching it, I I got a little bit more in thought and and and looking it up and seeing, and it's a little bit broader. I kind of have a little bit better of an understanding of it, but it's still in the same a lot of times, even in my research, they were saying that human rights and civil rights, they go hand in hand. You know, for a a lot of their different definitions. I was actually surprised to hear um some of the things that that they were saying that human rights uh does qualify for, um, such as like they said the the right for speech, the right to work, which is a little odd on there, you know, um, and the rights to exist pretty much, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:58

Right to education, education, yes. Um, and the right to life would be is like the first thing on the list, you know, on United States Institute of Department of Human Rights.

SPEAKER_00 3:10

Yes, and as we were just talking, we have established and and can say for sure, definite, that war violates all human rights, no matter where they're at. Yeah, it just violates all human rights. And I don't understand why a lot of the higher-ups who are there to help defend our rights allow it to happen, but they do. Um, I think that they they say a conflict of it because sometimes the wars happen to fight for human rights. Uh, because the the human rights act that happened in was it 1943? I think it was. Is that what it was?

SPEAKER_01 3:46

For the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. Yeah, that's in it.

SPEAKER_00 3:51

It was when? 1940.

SPEAKER_01 3:53

1948, the United States the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights universally protects human rights via international law.

SPEAKER_00 4:03

Right. So all across. And those came about from what happened in Germany from the, you know, with the Nazis and the Germans. And that's how that all developed. That's how they decided that we needed to establish what human rights were. Also, another one of the human rights is your right to not be enslaved.

unknown 4:21

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 4:22

Was one of those added to it too. And um, yeah, I was just I was I was surprised to hear the different ones and how they broke it down the difference. So we are human rights are worldwide, they're for everybody and anybody that everybody's supposed to follow. Um, and the rights and just guidelines for it. The civil rights are broken down individually by country, state, and cities. You know, country, state, county, cities. Like, you know, the civil rights that they make, but a lot of our civil rights have been nationwide for our country.

SPEAKER_01 4:57

Well, that well, that's the difference. Human rights are uh something we are born with. You know, you could you could almost also say um God given. It might be a common term, but that's but that's sort of something that we are universally allowed to have. Civil rights are ones are human rights, but they're written into law.

SPEAKER_03 5:26

Yes. Right.

SPEAKER_00 5:38

Right, because human rights are still uh it's still legally binded, like it's still illegal to violate someone's human rights. So there they are a law um per se, but they're a law that's worldwide versus in individual countries or locations. Like it's not something that the buck stops once the border ends.

SPEAKER_01 6:00

Like if I prev if I keep a child from eating as form as a form of punch punishment, that's a gross violation of human rights and civil rights. But yes, but uh you know, at the at the top of it is human the human right to write to food. Or anything or anybody.

SPEAKER_00 6:19

Right, right, right, and to survive. And there's a lot of areas that I'm like, oh, it dances, it dances a lot between these two of civil rights and human rights. And um so I went a little further and asking, I asked, because I was curious. I'm like, so what happens if your human rights are violated? What what do you have? What can you do to if your human rights are violated? How do you approach it? So they state, you know, of course, you can tell your DOJ, which ours is questionable right now. Um and you can fight with your local governments. Also, you can use your state level, depending on, of course, the you know, where it's at, what where your violation level of that is, but I'm sure any state level, government level, the DOJ to move on. And then they stated, like, if once you've exhausted your local governments, um, you can file a complaint with the UN.

SPEAKER_01 7:17

Right.

SPEAKER_00 7:17

Uh to continue on, if your government does not isn't isn't doing anything about it, basically. They're not in agreement, they're not doing anything about it. Which made me start to wonder a lot of things, especially with our current state and how many things are so up in the air and how people are treated and what people are allowed to do and not do, depending on who you are. Uh, I was like, So, with our governments and a lot of the human rights violations, how much would they actually do? What would they do about it? Would they actually care, or would they say, no, that's not a violation, or come up with some little snide remark, some some offset thing for a reason why, and let's state that they did. And then what do you do? So I'm like, so so okay, let's do all that. They get us rejected. So, what what does the UN do if I have to go to that level? Then how does that work? Well, there is a beautiful form that you couldn't go ahead and you can fill out, and you do need a file with them, and there are steps that they can possibly take, and including up to sanctions if they are part, if especially if your country is part of the United Nations.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

Right, and which we are.

SPEAKER_00 8:25

Yes, which we are, we are, and those countries that are not, I don't know, you know, um that's a that's a harder one. I'm sorry, that's a harder one to but what sanctions would they do? They never specified, I guess it probably all depends on the level where they're at, what they're what they're uh, you know, what would make the big what would be makes the most sense for impacts or um anything else. But they didn't state anywhere in there as to exactly like what sanctions it would be because I guess that's probably dependent on the country.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

And and the rights being violated. There's and the panels of the UN decide on what they it will enforce as an as a sanction. I don't know if it's voted on on an individual basis or not.

SPEAKER_00 9:14

I don't know either. And I I kind of wonder like if it does go to that level, does that open the door for asylum if you need to go to a different country, if your truly human rights are being violated in the current country, and there's nothing that you know anyone else is going to do.

SPEAKER_01 9:28

It I could see that possibly being a oh you know, I believe that you you know uh um you could go to uh another country and say my rights are being violated, and and I I personally am being attacked.

SPEAKER_00 9:43

Yeah, because you gotta have, you know, they were saying the documentation, documentation, of course, videos if you have it, any emails, any any written documentation, any anything, any and everything that you possibly have that can prove that your rights have truly been violated.

SPEAKER_01 9:59

Well, what happened like what happened with the Department of Justice? We were talking about this earlier in December. Yes, with uh anybody speaking out against the government, speaking out in favor of a of a certain country or or belief system, or identifying um to the LGBTQ us, um that that's a big one right there, too. Yes, and and it's prosecuted, you can be labeled as a terrorist.

SPEAKER_00 10:28

Yes, it went on to keep saying that, and that's resurfacing because there's they're still working on that uh towards it, and it's so horrible that somebody basically in that article that we were reading in December. And if you did not agree with our government, then you're a terrorist. So if you don't agree with what decisions they're making and what they're doing and fully support, is this not fascism? Like to its fullest and the tyranny, like it's totally taking over.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

Um well that that's that's a violation of civil rights. Not only is it a violation of human rights, about your identity, but it's also written in our constitution, the Bill of Rights, about you know, it's speech and speaking out against the government and petitioning the government to um redress the grievances. So I think that's in on uh in the declaration of independence, but that's still written into the constitution.

SPEAKER_00 11:29

Yeah, and I I mean our constitution right now, I just it's what we all stand by, it's what we go by. But it's I feel like the people who are in those levels to make those decisions aren't necessarily following it. I just don't feel like they are. You know, any type because there's so much preced prejudice, discrimination happening right now for anybody who just doesn't agree with anything. Like if you don't agree that McDonald's is better than Burger King, probably. You know what I mean? Like just anything, it's what's the point. That's what it feels, it's feeling like, and it's getting to. Uh, but yeah, that's why I wanted to touch patients, just kind of see like what's the difference between our human rights and our civil rights here. So our civil rights for us here, like we have the so we need to act a certain kind of way in public. We can't run around bucket naked, you know, like uh it's that's not a right that you have, and that that's part of kind of like a civil right where the indecent exposures and those type of things that come down to it. Um, more of a human right would be like, you know, thou shalt not kill, don't no murder, you know, or harm for each other. Um so that's where I ended up finding like some of the difference and in thinking about it and and going deep. But I'm telling you, I was down a rabbit hole at first, like with all of these different labels of those different rights that were listed, thinking these are all human rights. Like everybody has the right to be treated decent, everybody has the right to be able to go into a restaurant and to eat and to be served. Everybody has a right to get a job and to make a living and to take care of themselves, uh, which I think is where that that did come out of. But in saying that you have that right doesn't mean that it's given to you.

SPEAKER_01 13:20

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

You know, um and you can't you can't and you can't be denied that job based on your race or gender or uh um sexual orientation or your ethnicity, right? Um it needs to be purely based on your actual skill level. Um and uh yeah, we all know that that doesn't always happen. It happens less often than it should by far. I I feel like I think a lot of companies, it's that silent discrimination that nobody talks about that they do behind the corners, you know, or that they feel, oh, I just don't feel like they're right. They don't say why they don't feel like they're right, you know.

SPEAKER_01 14:06

So what uh what about different governments? Because we're talking about freedom of speech and uh Great Britain um was to uh people who speak out in favor of Palestine, right?

SPEAKER_00 14:19

Yeah, they they're arresting people for the for which I'm like, isn't that a human right?

SPEAKER_01 14:24

So and they're part of United Nations, but based on what a quick search is that their their laws on uh freedom of speech are a little bit but you could say loose or s or different from ours. Ours we have a freedom of speech. Right, right. You know, at least that's violating somebody else's human rights and civil rights. But when it comes but I mean, if if I speak out in favor of a country, that doesn't hurt anybody, it doesn't violate anybody else's rights. That's just my personal opinion.

SPEAKER_00 15:16

It's not supposed to.

SPEAKER_01 15:18

Right, but in Great Britain, that's not as clearly written. No, it's not, and that's what's really screwed up. It's like we I mean we I mean we're we're violating civil and human rights here. Uh it's a very and uh but we don't we're trying to write raw laws accordingly. There are that our government is or Congress is or Department of Justice is they're supposed to be, I don't think that they are. But uh the other countries, I mean, as much as we put them on a pedestal, how much we have in favor of them over our country. I I I I rem I start to think about as like you know what, they're not as as they they're they're not as free as we are supposed to be.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_01 16:20

They they have a socialized healthcare system, which is great, but but um all the uh in uh kind in other countries other than Great Britain, ones that are social democracies, they have some pretty strict laws. It's great that they have a very comfortable, clean, low crime, you know, great healthcare system society, but they that that does come with some sacrifices to human rights. Sorry, civil rights, civil rights.

SPEAKER_00 16:50

Civil rights, yeah. Yeah, so the civil rights, like I I I know that we read somewhere that they stated that civil rights are developed to help uh maintain uh really like regulations or maintain uh I'm going blank on the word that I'm saying, but basically to keep everybody in order, maintain order um within the civilization. Uh and so by saying that this is how you have to act, this is how you have to do, this is what you can't do, and this is what you can do. Um this is the proper way of saying it. You know, of course they'll they'll word it differently, but that's basically what it comes down to.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Right.

SPEAKER_00 17:35

So yeah, it is different.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

Um rights then are also able to be you can affect the change. You can uh write to your governors and your senators and your and your house and your um country. But it's you can get them to change change that law by voting these people in and out.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

I feel like um you have better odds of getting compensated or uh an ending if your civil rights are violated versus your human rights. Because there are such laws that are so clear. Um in in our country at least. In our country, they're they're usually written pretty clear, where human rights are so much more broad because it's for the world, and then they also leave room for interpretation, and you leave room for interpretation, and then you know, that's where things go where people say, Well, you might you know you might see it this way, but I see it the other way, and that's just what it is. So that's that room for interpretation instead of the actual facts as to where it's happening.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

But with human rights, we all can pretty much agree on if we see a group um forcefully denying somebody their rights to organize their rights to food or water, um, you know, or even to work. Yeah, almost every country will stand up and say that's wrong. For uh human rights, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 19:11

Will they though, if it's specified to a specific group versus you know, as a whole or as just somebody, like will they really? Because let's think about like it think about how many uh human and civil rights were violated in 9-11 when people how they treated Muslim people here, you know? They grouped everybody, yeah. They grouped everybody, and that's the same thing that's happening with our current government now that's with the LGBTQ community, with um anybody basically, I mean they're really attacking that community, but anybody who basically, like I said, it disagrees with what is happening right now in our government with our country, they're calling them domestic terrorists, and they're wrapping a whole group into domestic terrorism. All Muslims were not domestic terrorism, even though they were all Muslims that were the terrorists. That doesn't mean all Muslims were terror are domestic terrorists. They're you know, um, and and that's the same thing that he's trying to do right now uh with groups of people, you know, like and they're attacking them all in different areas, different ways. So LGBTQ community, they're attacking you guys by saying that are not you guys, but by saying they're um they're attacking them by saying that for one, they're domestic terrorists, um, they you shouldn't be able to vote, trying to come up with different ways to find loopholes so they can't vote, have a voice within the system, and just basically trying to wipe them out of our country, which you you you that's wrong. You know, you can't do that with any you're not supposed to be able to. I can't I have learned that we can't sit here and talk about what you can and cannot do anymore with this administration, um, because things that you're not supposed to be able to do have been happening, and you know, um things that you should be doing have not been happening. Um, so it's going both ways. I just but on a human right level, you can't wrap a group up and say that whole entire group is this way.

SPEAKER_01 21:23

That's well, we even did that all the way back to World War II with the Japanese internment camps. We just weren't here.

SPEAKER_02 21:30

We've been doing it constantly.

SPEAKER_01 21:31

Like we're doing it just for anybody who looked of color. Um, you know, uh they're they're interained and interrogated by ICE. All their human and civil rights both were violated to thousands of people.

SPEAKER_00 21:51

Yes, yes, thousands, and sadly it's still happening, and they're still violated, and there's still thousands of people stuck in these detention centers. And the process, you know, because also one of a human right is due process. That is a human right for due process. That has not been happening here at all. It is, yeah. Due process is one of the human rights, it stated. Um, to look it up again where I did find that I had it written down.

SPEAKER_01 22:21

But yes, um because I did it uh in the United States, you know, in a USIDHR. I mean, it's a very brief website, you know. Uh, you know, you have to Yeah. You know, the the basic fundamentals are for human rights, or life, food, education, but civil rights are the ones that are written into the raw into law, which are due process. Well, nature due process is you know, is a human right.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

Right, yeah, because for so according to this with mine, with nature, so human rights are inalienable rights of existence, like freedom from slavery. Um, oh no, and then it does go to civil rights. You're right. Civil rights are legal protections against discrimination, such as protection and due process. Human rights are often enforced via international bodies or conventions, civil rights are enforced with the national courts. So, nope, you're correct. I read that incorrectly, and that I will I will take that, but I think due process should be part of it. I think due process should be a human right.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

Right. But if you can say that if you're detained against your will, your your movement is is infringed, and you're um charged, and even that process that that charge is even enforced with without uh an act of due process. Say, let's say execution that that happens in um in countries where you're detained and say, you know, uh you're a bad person, or I think you're a bad person, boom, you're dead. Um, that's a violation of human rights.

SPEAKER_00 24:05

Yeah, what you just said there, like if you're detained against your own will, everybody's detained against their own will. You know, so that's where that kind of gets that interpretation dance again, you know.

SPEAKER_01 24:19

Um when um ethnic cleansing happens in let's uh in in certain countries, I don't want to say, you know, one continent and this continent, I mean it happens all over. But when groups go in and clear out a society and kill or kidnap a bunch of people, they're their civil rights are being violated, but that's a human rights violation.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

As well. Yep, yep. That's that's the dance line. That's the line of the dance.

SPEAKER_01 24:51

They're detained and that and that's where you're eliminating that due process there. Yes, that's that in that sense, due process is a human right.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

Yes, yes, you're right. Um, you're 100% correct, yeah. So yeah, and like I said, I'm sorry, yeah, due process was is it's a civil, not the human. They they the lines blur very easily if you dig into it enough.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

Potentially the UN says, hey, look, yeah, we could, you know, you know, eat and drink and and sleep comfortably, but you know what? Most of our rights are being violated right now as a human right by lack of due process. Yes, yes, where people what where's the sanctions against us for violating thousands of human rights when they're put into in German camps here?

SPEAKER_00 25:48

Yeah, I'm glad that you brought up about the sanctions because yes, that's one thing we didn't talk about. So when I was looking into like what would the UN do if my human rights were violated and my local government did not support me, they they thought that the my those were not my rights were not violated. So looking into that, they didn't tell the specifics on it, but they did state that they would investigate, they would go in with the country, and you know, possibly sanctions would be submitted to them or other forms, depending on I and I'm sure it all depends on the the country, the country's resources, you know, and and so forth, those things as to what would be the punishment for it, but those are the types of steps that they would take um with if your government fails you in your human rights, those are the governments that they could possibly take. But then I'm like, how does my one person, me, get the UN's attention by submitting that one form? I know you submit that form, but how many people actually, I wonder how many people actually submit that form, and how do you actually get the attention? Because it's it's worldwide, you know, enough for them to want to step up and say, hey, no, wait, what are you doing? You know, you can't do that.

SPEAKER_01 26:59

You might need a petition, you might need to talk to every single person, you know, of these groups and said, you know, um, you know, sign this, let's sign this form and let's act on it. But what's gonna happen uh after the fact, do you know, do these people just want to put it behind them?

SPEAKER_00 27:19

Yeah, and that's another thing. Does this open a door if the if the UN does step in, let's say it was here with the United States, found out somebody's human rights were violated, the UN stepping in because they did file something for them, does that open the door for that person to be able to get asylum in another country even further, like easier? Because the backlash in their current country, having the U of M or the you know, the U United Nations after them, that backlash could be traumatic. I mean, so like in our like social media and in our means of communication right now can be a positive and a negative thing right now. Because you make too big of a deal about it and and make it be known so people know that your human rights are being, you know, violated, you get those people who are gonna stand by you and you get those people who are gonna want to just put you down in the dirt, like literally. Um, and it's scary to dance. And some people are like, is it worth risking my life? And I think that's where it comes, which gets which is sad that we're to that. Is it worth for me to be treated correctly? Is it worth risking my life? And you know what? In some cases, yes, it is.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

I would say yes, it is.

SPEAKER_00 28:35

It is definitely um I think worth risking your life.

SPEAKER_01 28:42

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

But it's scary. I mean, you know?

SPEAKER_01 28:47

Well, what what would we think if we saw the UN peacekeepers rolling down our streets, Hennepin Avenue or through downtown Minneapolis, and they're UN, what UN tank, you know, that you see in Palestine and Lebanon, you know, the peacekeeping missions there, the the ones that are getting attacked and killed by Israel. You know, um, what are we what would we think is if as a as a country and as an individual, if the UN came through here, started rolling through Times Square, down downtown Minneapolis, you know, Los Los Angeles, everywhere else where all these things are have been going on, the UN peacekeepers to be sure that our rights are our human rights aren't being violated.

SPEAKER_00 29:36

Yeah, um, it's crazy. Yeah, how would that work out? Well, how would how does a country feel about that? And honestly, if we're like like Israel's killing the U of M or the United Nation people over there trying to help, they're killing them. That's kind of a trigger for a world world war, you know. Um, the United Nations still stand by so that their people can be safe, like the whole purpose of it.

SPEAKER_01 30:02

Why isn't the UN stepping up for that? Because the Red, I mean, the yeah, even though the Red I believe the Nazis in World War II, um, they were resistant to it, but they even they even allowed the Red Cross to come in and give care packages to prisoner pr and POW camps.

SPEAKER_00 30:23

I think that they do enough right now. They're playing the game of chess. It's enough. I'll give you enough to that you you you can't say that I'm not doing it, but I'm not giving you enough for you to get your mission accomplished, for you to help everybody, you know. Like, you know, I gave you enough just for you to go ahead and help a few people around there. So I did allow you to. You know, it's just the game, it's the horrible, horrific game that they're playing.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

Israel allowing the UN to go do this, but not that.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

Yeah, right. Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 30:54

But they're attacking them. I mean, I I'm sure it happened in World War II that the Nazis killed the the Red Cross, but you know it did. I think that was a little bit more rare, uh, um you know, where it's useful.

SPEAKER_00 31:10

I don't know if it really was or wasn't, let's just be honest. I communication was just further and farther, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't as easy, it wasn't as ready readily um to be able to share that this is happening here um with a lot of the different things that happened back then because we didn't have good old internet to be able to speedy and send it off. We didn't have clouds that we could stick something up into and it would stay for people to actually have proof. Uh it was just word of mouth, and as we're seeing, as they're already currently our country is trying to wipe away history from a lot of different histories. That's how it happens. These are the things and the techniques that they do, and this is how it happens. Uh, where we don't know, we assume. We assume instead of knowing.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

You know, a quick a quick internet search. This is just, you know, pops up on Google AI. It had to take a little bit more deeper, deeper research. You know, the the the Nazis and the International Committee of Red Cross, where there's a lot of manipulation and restriction, bureaucra bureaucratic failures, and violence against the Red Cross. They they regret the Nazis respected the Red Cross protocols uh regarding POWs, allowing for shipments of aid, but they were heavily restricted and didn't have access to concentration caps.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

So once again, we were grouping people.

SPEAKER_01 32:37

Yeah, they were grouping people, and they were, yeah, okay, we'll help you do, we'll we'll allow you to do this over here, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:45

These people deserve the human rights, these people don't deserve to be treated as humans, even though they're humans, even though we're all humans, you know. I don't understand why this concept that we're all humans is so difficult for everybody to grasp and to get, you know. I don't I just don't understand why it is so hard. Well, I do. I mean, it's been history. History has done this. This is what history did. It's embedded into everything, and and it's grooved into that that there's a difference. And it's so sad because even when everybody looked alike, people still found differences. Oh, you have blue eyes, you have brown eyes, so then we can't like you. You're blonde, you're a brunette, you're a redhead, oh, you have curly hair, you have straight hair, so we can't, you know, curly hair, you must have something negative wrong, or or vice versa. Like it's so sad. I don't know why, like, you might want to call it human nature, but I don't feel like it's human nature because you know what? When we're kids, we don't divide each other, we just see each other. It's as we get older that we start to divide each other, and that is that is that's proof that it's learned. That's proof that it's a learned behavior, it's a taught behavior, it's not natural.

SPEAKER_01 33:58

Well, not even learned, but it's not corrected.

SPEAKER_00 34:01

Right.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

It's not you know, don't do that. Can't you see that that hurts somebody? And that's right.

SPEAKER_00 34:09

Right, right. They they they do the bullying, you know, uh campaigns in the schools to try to stop it, but it still comes out and it still does. And uh right now I'm just so disappointed with our school systems anyway, especially here, that the the lack of consequences for these kids to um to learn, because you don't learn without consequences, you just don't, you know, whether positive or bad or negative.

SPEAKER_01 34:35

Is that a consideration of human rights? Is that if you if you're punishing a child too much, is that a violation of human or civil rights? Well, I guess where the where does the punishment of a child who doesn't really maybe know any better?

SPEAKER_00 34:55

Like as an adult, once you're 18, you should really know what the you should, but you have to teach the kids younger, otherwise it's inbreded, it's natural for you. You have to start teaching them from younger. You're not gonna let a kid go run and jump off a cliff. You're gonna stop them and let them know that boundary is way before that cliff, then you need to stop because it's dangerous or it's wrong or it's incorrect. And people are failing to understand that they're thinking, nope, they'll figure it out when they're adults. Like they're just a kid, let them be, let them go. No, we have to show boundaries. There's reasons for that. There, it's true. Like it's even if you want to get religious, like a lot of the little uh of of any religion, whether it's a Bible or Quran or whatever, they teach about that, the boundaries, and they talk about that, like you know, in a parent's job to help guide their child. For you to guide them, you have to give them boundaries and and um and they have to learn in lessons and what's right and what's wrong. And if they do and decide to go with wrong, you have it's consequence. It just is. You have to, you know, there's gotta be some consequences to things, but it's a matter of the level of consequences that people argue with, and so they're going from because somebody may be doing something so extreme, everybody needs to do nothing. No, that doesn't work. It doesn't work because now you got kids out here running crazy wild, they're they're killing, they're stealing, they're robbing, they're hurting people, they're doing all these things because you know what? They have no consequences for it. So, what's wrong with me doing it? I can walk in the store and I can just grab whatever I want to grab out of it. What's wrong with that? You're not gonna stop me. And if I do it, so what? Like, there's no consequence for it. So why wouldn't I treat every store like a free store? You know, we we that's where we got to get away from a lot of people they talk about when they hear discipline and they automatically think like the most horrific level of discipline. And it's not that it's sometimes it's the simplest things. You're not gonna have dessert tonight. You know, I mean, it can be something very simple like that. It doesn't have to be, I'm gonna tear your butt up, and you know, you're you can barely walk or move, and you've been crying, or um, you're not gonna eat anything, I'm gonna starve you, you're gonna just have water. It's not those kind of things. No, it's you know, or you're still locked in your room and you can only come out to go to the bathroom. No, it's you know, but we do need to teach them something. That's how you learn. We can we all admit that we learn from our mistakes, and when we make a mistake, we realize that it was a mistake, and then there's a there's a consequence that we deal with, like in do in understanding that that was wrong and why, and how we learn from them. It's kind of around the same guidelines of them, but yeah, it's it's a whole nother soapbox. But yeah, I thought it was interesting to think about the difference between civil rights and human rights. They really do go hand in hand a lot of times, but it is a matter of like the government and level, you know, and what they allow you to do where you're at, and what they don't allow you to do, depending on where you're at.

SPEAKER_01 38:08

No, I I've been thinking a lot about things like that and the freedom of religion, because religion is playing a lot into policy now. And there's a huge resistance against organized religion because of that frustration and anger over that. So even where groups would even choose to vote to uh uh prevent organized religion because organized religion is not you know one group of people from an organized religion, not the entirety of the organized religion.

SPEAKER_00 38:54

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 38:55

And I question and and civil rights.

SPEAKER_00 38:58

Yeah, well, I question, you know, and going hand in hand, I was talking about human rights and civil rights, religion and spirituality. Like, you know, because they're not the same, they are different, you know. Um, and and I I think uh religion was more created as a way to control someone's spirituality because spirituality is a little bit more free in feeling-wise, where religion is more you don't you don't do this, you don't do that, you know what I'm saying? You you walk in, especially uh yeah, I was a Catholic, you kneel before you walk into the pew, you sit down, you gotta do you know what I'm saying, all these different things where spiritually, people who are spiritual, it's it's totally different.

SPEAKER_01 39:45

Right.

SPEAKER_00 39:47

Yeah, we're going hand in hand. So yeah, I I wonder when in thinking about that, because I think people were spiritual way before they were religious.

SPEAKER_01 39:58

Yeah. You know, somebody just had to decide before we understood an organized religion of offerings and and uh we were still you know, we saw something greater than ourselves that there's a power out there that we cannot understand, that we try trying to define, that we're trying to make sense of. But you know, um but there's so many other things to you know conceptualize with that.

SPEAKER_03 40:33

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:34

And and that and now it's become a negative force.

SPEAKER_00 40:38

Right. It has. It has a lot of yeah, a lot of religions have become a negative force. I think if we is go back to spirituality, it doesn't give people as much control to be able to use it negatively.

SPEAKER_01 40:54

It's a human or civil right. And is is religion a human right or is it a civil right? No, it's written into law as a civil right.

SPEAKER_03 41:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:08

And some of it, some civil right, some policy is saying you can practice this religion, but not that religion.

SPEAKER_00 41:15

So then yeah, so then that makes it sound more like a civil versus a human.

SPEAKER_01 41:22

But that that sounds like it's a violation of human rights.

SPEAKER_03 41:25

It it does.

SPEAKER_01 41:26

You know, you can because I mean they're in, you know, like like I say in Great Britain they have a they twist the the law a bit for freedom of speech.

SPEAKER_00 41:35

Yeah, it does.

SPEAKER_01 41:37

But so they're saying, well, you know, you're the civil right is still there to practice religion, you just can't practice that religion. Human rights is is the broad thing. It's like you could you could do this. Like human rights means you can get food. Civil right would be like you can't eat this food. Right? Would that be a right?

SPEAKER_00 42:00

I don't know. I guess it would depend on the variety of the foods that you have, to a sense, if there's nothing else left and they say you this is all I have and you can't eat it, and you need it to survive. You know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. That's a good question.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

That's a good that's a good uh you have a choice between food foods that's available. If if you have a choice between you know a McDonald's cheeseburger and a bowl of salad, a civil right will will determine probably um you know that you can have one you can you can have the salad but not the cheeseburger. A human right would mean that you get either or both. Right.

SPEAKER_00 42:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:47

But that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 42:48

Yeah, I think that does make some sense.

SPEAKER_01 42:50

How do we do that? And then how do we then do we determine that civil right? And how do we write that policy?

SPEAKER_00 43:00

Which they have, they wrote one about religion, freedom of religion, you know, and the laws.

SPEAKER_01 43:05

Um religions. So that is written into the constitution, you're allowed to practice of any and all religious practice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:17

Yeah, yeah. I will think there was a a good amount of those men who created the constitution. I I now they they were thinking about uh humans as a whole to a sense, but not really. I mean, they labeled it as that because really we all know that we are the people were mainly for white men and not for um women or at the time.

SPEAKER_01 43:42

You know, it it was just why did it take to the thirteenth amendment to end slavery? When when you write a why did it take to the thirteenth amendment to end slavery?

SPEAKER_00 43:56

Right, because it was profitable for the people who were creating the rules.

SPEAKER_01 44:01

But in the in the in the declaration of independence and in the Bill of Rights, you know, the t first ten ten amendments were, you know, you could interpret, you know, any one of those first that slavery would be wrong and a violation of civil rights and human rights. But why did it take to the 18th?

SPEAKER_00 44:26

Because like I said, the ones who were writing it were benefiting from it. So why would they abolish it? You know, the people who were actually writing the story, they they got that's what you're gonna take away. I mean it's the same if you go back to I know we talked about this time in the slave are back in the war for um black women who were working while um actually who stopped working there because the black men were going to war and so they were able to stop working and to be at home to take care of their families because they were getting you know money from their husbands they ended up passing like because a lot of white people lost their nannies. They lost their their maids they lost their you know their workers and so that was not okay. That's not right. So they made a law to make them force them to go to work what about the civil and human rights that are being violated now I mean everybody who wants to work here that's there's there's a person right now who has a visa working visa in a detention center and they're saying that she's still an illegal citizen. Like and I like you're you're illegal just because you're something about not being able to work here. I'm like do you know how much that's gonna mess up the whole world could you imagine how many Americans across the world are working somewhere else on a visa or whatever they want to call those and then they um so they're working there and um and they're gonna kick them out. What if they did that for everybody like Americans were no longer allowed to go work anywhere and collaborate with anybody because we want to make it so nobody is able to come here and collaborate with us.

SPEAKER_01 46:04

But our c our economy thrives on it we're talking about you know gender in the last episode and and Hooters and who's working in the kitchen. Yes and I mean that those are all all those jobs are d or are I mean I mean I think a lot of guys would probably love to go work in a kitchen at Hooters. But uh a lot of the work that we don't want to do the cooking the cleaning the grimy dirty back breaking work.

SPEAKER_00 46:35

It's those people who are the higher ups that don't see anybody who's below them they just think everybody should be wiped out and be done but they don't understand how they are benefiting them as well.

SPEAKER_01 46:46

And that's a human and civil right to work.

SPEAKER_00 46:50

Mm-hmm you know yeah I think even it's it's the civil right of it is a little gray for immigrant on an immigration but it's a human right and that's right out there at the top human right you will have a right to work period in yep in your country for your country with your yes yes and that's where the civil rights come in is when you're not from that country if you're not a citizen then they start to discuss some of those civil rights I was reading on something else about that. But um yeah everybody supposedly has the right to work but you know on the flip side we should also have the right to not I don't know what you think about that.

SPEAKER_01 47:32

You know but the right to be I mean that that goes to slavery but uh but but yeah I mean I I think you have to work in order to get a couple rights and a couple access to a couple things I mean yeah but but that that that's in a civil rights sense in a human rights sense you could choose to be homeless and like you know what I'm not gonna work anymore. But that doesn't mean you can't go to the soup soup kitchen line and go get food or or get a or go sleep on a cot that's available. That's a human right.

unknown 48:09

Right.

SPEAKER_01 48:10

But you but but if you're not working and you're not paying taxes into the system that's gonna be a civil right that you might not get or have access to of certain um things that uh a taxpayer if you will will get access to as a as a civil right and that's gonna that's so what what's more important human rights or civil rights as we as we come come to an end here?

SPEAKER_00 48:42

I think human rights are more important. For one, they're beyond our country they're all around the world they're how everybody should treat us always no matter what um and like we said we talked about how they dance really close together a lot of times uh but the only so that's why I believe a human rights are because they usually trump they trump the civil rights human does that's for sure. Uh but they're they're definitely the most important civil rights are are a way to regulate us and to keep us to to conform to whatever idealistic world that person has that are developing them.

SPEAKER_01 49:22

That's a great point. Yeah that's that's what I was saying before when before we uh started and we first started talking about this and we argued on it a bit civil rights are a lot human rights are just what everybody gets yep it should be they should be yeah because we don't have civil rights and and we would if we really read their civil rights policies the ones that are a law is like what the blank yeah yeah we probably would be for a lot of them um definitely yeah and the only reason because we did we did get a little little argument going back and forth with that about the how the civil rights are laws but I would say but on the same sense with human rights you can take it to a court of law because it's a violation and it's treated like a violation like a law it's a human law. The UN won't come in on a civil rights violation. No now they might in a in the in a if they're egregious um but but they'll step in on the human rights violations. Yes in because they would be infringing on our laws if if if it's a civil rights violation or any other country's laws. Right there at least they've set up that that's that's just but human rights are ones that supersede civil yes yes agreed agreed yes yes so I I mean I know it sounds all confusing to those listening and back and forth but it's an interesting topic and trying to figure out and trying to sort out in our own brains and minds as how it works and um but there is a difference there is there is in breaking it down but um yeah it's interesting and how they all come about how we divide and how we divide isn't it yeah I I I'm gonna be definitely looking more into this and we m researching more in the Middle East and and about about what what rights are each of these countries are that we're in uh kind of in conflict with so broad. Yeah yeah you don't find civil and human rights begin to understand the difference.

SPEAKER_00 51:41

Yeah look it up see what the difference are and see what see what steps to take if you are violated. I mean it it doesn't mean that you taking those steps is gonna bring it to fruition that they're you're gonna be justified but if you don't you won't that's for sure yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna look up a how how to address the UN too yeah they got a forum that you fill out for them and just like I was just wondering though what makes me stand out of the water like hey I need you now but I'm sure there's they have a process.

SPEAKER_01 52:20

Well thank you Selena I really appreciate you really really loved having this conversation with you the with you today.

SPEAKER_00 52:27

Yeah thank you I I'm yeah thanks for agreeing to talk about it with um on it and you know on our podcast and I hope others who are listening have also are intrigued or enjoyed listening um to it as well and maybe hey you'll move on and have a conversation the same type of conversation with somebody else out there to ask them what's the difference between human rights and civil rights right thank you again you're welcome thank you yes be well to one another yeah please be kind be well and um another reminder it's diversity month so that's hence this is kind of where this has fallen into for us so we're hoping to have topics it's diversity and volunteer month um so we're hoping to have topics throughout the rest of the month on regarding diversity and volunteer um as well to celebrate those so come check us out again next week and we'll have something else for you right on right on thank you everybody again take care everybody take care of yourselves and remember love is love yes yes take if you want good deed a day for your somebody else would just do it one for yourself absolutely all right bye now bye