Be Afraid of the Dark
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Be Afraid of the Dark
Special: Would Sam & Dean Survive? Horror Movie Edition - BAOTD
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In today’s very special episode, we tide you over while we prepare season three by debating what horror movies the brothers could survive! Will they be up to snuff, or will they fold under pressure? Buckle up, grab your rock salt, and remember…you know what’s out there. Be afraid of the dark 👻
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Intro
SPEAKER_01Hello and welcome back to the show. As always, I'm your driver Spencer. Sit and shotgun is Breck.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_01And this week, we're discussing a very special topic. This is Be Afraid of the Dark special presentation. Would Sam and Dean Survive? So And would they?
Would they survive?
SPEAKER_01And would they? So special presentation. We're in between seasons two and three. Thank you guys for being patient. We are in production on season three right now, having a great time. Cannot wait to start releasing those episodes and talking to all of you. But we decided for a supernatural themed episode, we would do what many have done before and discuss whether or not Sam and Dean could survive these famous horror franchises andor killers will be kind of specific and non-specific.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So before we start in this, how do you feel they will fare overall?
SPEAKER_00I think they'll majority be fine, and then I think there will be some weird, sneaky ones that get them.
SPEAKER_01I, yes, I I am I'm of the list we put together, which we'll reveal as we go. I'm worried they're just gonna run the block for most of it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, they might they might spin the block a bit.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, they're just gonna take everybody down.
SPEAKER_00There's some, however, I think might be a little dicey for it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so we're gonna get specific and we're gonna get, you know.
SPEAKER_00We will litigate.
SPEAKER_01We will litigate these. We're gonna have a great time. Let's just jump in.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, let's jump.
SPEAKER_01Jump in with our first one that came to mind, and I think one that's been hotly debated. Yes. Would Salmon Dean survive Friday the 13th?
SPEAKER_00And it depends on which Friday the 13th.
SPEAKER_01Depends. Okay, I'm glad we're on the same page. First one, they're taking that down. No problem. Not even a scratch. They're done. It's good. No.
SPEAKER_00Um they got trained by a Marine. They know what they're doing.
SPEAKER_01Number two, taking it easy. I'm not worried about number two. It's when they it's when Jason becomes like a supernatural killer.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01And even then.
SPEAKER_00Can I be honest here?
SPEAKER_01Go ahead.
SPEAKER_00I think they could survive pretty much any Jason except for Jason X.
SPEAKER_01You and I are on the exact same page. It's crazy.
SPEAKER_00I love you so much. I love you too.
SPEAKER_01That's the only one where it's like you're stuck in space. Yes. He's been like cybernetically in hand. Yeah, he's he's mechanics. And I legitimate.
SPEAKER_00David Cronenberg work on him.
SPEAKER_01I legitimately don't think there's a way to kill that Jason. No. I think he's just immortal. Now, like you can trap. They don't. They like they blast him off into Earth and he lands at a like uh space summer camp or whatever. That's how it goes. Which is hysterical, right?
SPEAKER_00It's a funny movie.
SPEAKER_01Uh I that movie is hysterical and I kind of love it. So then the the other funny thing to discuss, we'll we'll we'll touch back on a lot of this, but the other funny thing to discuss is Jared Padalecki has fought Jason Voorhees before. It's canonically and technically won, but then lost at the last second. Uh actually he didn't lose, it was his sister that got pulled into the lake.
SPEAKER_00Yes, right?
SPEAKER_01So he could have he could have skedaddled away and survived.
SPEAKER_00He looks fine as hell in that movie. Yeah, Jared Jared's that is prime season four beef, Jared at the end.
SPEAKER_01He's aggressively handsome in that movie.
SPEAKER_00I'm sure we'll we'll do a fun rewatch of that when it comes time.
SPEAKER_01I enjoy the sleazy grossness of that movie.
SPEAKER_00That movie is hysterical.
SPEAKER_01Whether or not I think it is good, I enjoy it.
SPEAKER_00It's not look, I don't think any Friday the 13th movie is what I would consider good. Yeah. I'm utterly un the first one is I don't know if this is a hot take or not. Watch the Silverscreen Psyche episode about Friday the 13th. Um it's the first one, boring, boring film. Second one, hysterical. I think Baghead Jason is super funny. Yeah. Third one, boring. They're all so boring, and then you get to Jason X and you're like, this is awesome.
SPEAKER_01Whatever one, Jason lives, whichever one he gets like struck by lightning and comes back to life. I enjoy that one.
SPEAKER_00I've only seen the first three and then Jason X and um the remake.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So again, okay. They run the block on Jason the majority of the time. Yes. Because look, we've already seen them face a zombie that doesn't have normal zombie rules, and that's all Jason ultimately is at his at at the the baseline supernatural version. Yeah. Jason X, I think I don't think they survive Jason X. No.
SPEAKER_00I agree. I agree. They're they're just I think it's really one once he gets all the he becomes Cyber Jason.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Even maybe before they might have, but he becomes Cyber Jason.
SPEAKER_01Well the thing the thing that I need to consider here is they're I I'm imagining that they have just dropped into this, they've time portaled to the future, and they have only what's on them, so I have to imagine it's their pistols. Yes. And maybe a loose piece of hex work or something, but not much. Jason in that movie, like fully regenerates when unfrozen from nothing. Like he's unkillable, and they don't have any way to like magic up, or maybe even research. Now they have the sci-fi computers that could research stuff, so there's a chance they could do it. However, that Jason tears through Space Marines and like and maybe we litigate this if they had a demon knife. But I don't think a demon knife works on a zombie because a demon knife doesn't work on a werewolf.
SPEAKER_00Well, okay, so then this begs the question: do they have to find what we would consider Jason's grave and then go full like they do in Children Should Play with Death Things and stake him into the grave?
SPEAKER_01Or the other thing is they just eject him into space. They're smart enough to eject him into space. Sam would be like, isn't the why why aren't we doing the smart thing, everyone? Anyway, okay, that's enough time on that. Do you have any other any other thoughts here?
SPEAKER_00It's mostly if if they are if they grab Jason before he goes full mecha Jason, I think they can win it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00If they don't, I think it's a it's a they're goners.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And it I I will also throw in, I I think they could outsmart him. Yes. If like, you know, there's a point in that movie where the android like gets superpowers or whatever and fights uh Jason pretty well. Yeah. I I think there's a world if they can get those assets, they can be the tide, because most of the people in that movie, after all the Space Marines get taken out, are like kind of nobodies. Yeah. These two are like the the the baddest supernatural hunters ever. Yeah. Um, they could do it now. This also does beg the question is do we give them the cult? Does it make a difference? Is Jason one of the five things in existence? He can't be killed by it.
SPEAKER_00That's a very interesting. I I can't imagine he is. He's a pretty he's pretty much a hybrid of zombie and necromancy.
SPEAKER_01If you are watching Supernatural along with us, and you have not seen further into the show, the five things I don't think they're ever fully revealed, because I know it's Lucifer, which I I will keep I have to imagine it's it's archangels in general. It's God, it's the darkness, and then what are the other two? Do we know?
SPEAKER_00I don't remember.
SPEAKER_01We don't remember. It's been a long time. Okay, so that's our feelings. We feel like the Winchester brothers are running the block on most of, if not all, contingent on a few things of Jason Voorhees. They're gonna take him down. Okay, next up, this is another weird one because there's a lot of different iterations of this. How do they fare in Halloween against Michael Myers?
SPEAKER_00First two Halloween's again, cleared cleared without it.
SPEAKER_01Doubt in my mind.
SPEAKER_00Especially because Dean would be Dean would have enough time to make a stupid joke about how slow Michael walks.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and then just shoot him.
SPEAKER_00And then just shoot him.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, you can't.
SPEAKER_00And granted, at the end of Halloween is Michael's shot and then runs off. But I don't think Dr. Loomis at the end of Halloween even gives him like a headshot. I think he just shoots him in the hall.
SPEAKER_01No, he shoots him in the chest and he falls out of the window. But he shoots him in the chest like three times.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Like we're it yeah.
SPEAKER_01If we're talking like the only Jason that gives me pause on whether or not they could take him out.
SPEAKER_00Jason or Michael?
SPEAKER_01The only Michael that gives me pause whether or not they could take him out is Michael from specifically. Again, we have not seen all these movies. There's several we haven't seen.
SPEAKER_00I've seen the we've I've seen the first four Halloween. Michael's not even in Halloween three. We should we'll litigate we'll litigate that in a second here.
SPEAKER_01They'd win. They'd win so easy. They take witches all the time.
SPEAKER_00That's good. That's a good point.
SPEAKER_01They'd win that so fast.
SPEAKER_00You're right. My bad. I've seen the first four, and then I've seen the David Gordon Green trilogy.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. This is what I'm gonna bring up. Halloween kills, he gets like shot, beat up with bats, takes on a whole army of the game. It's like nothing to him. So I I question if that version of Jason can be killed by anything. Now, again, they'd find some magic and it's not.
SPEAKER_00Well, they kill him in ends, and then he gets put in the trash compact.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but it but you know what I mean? But it kills. It's kills where it's like he's just he doesn't anyway.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01Uh this to me is like a non-debate. They're they're clearing him in an hour. Yeah. They're just gonna be like, hey, babysitter, sit there. He's walking in and they're just gonna unload on him and then stab him, and then if that doesn't work, they're gonna shoot him with the cult or stab him with a demon blade or use an angel blade and get him.
SPEAKER_00The concept of Dr. Loomis meeting them is amazing, right? It's really funny to meet.
SPEAKER_01Dean would have so many, so much fun with that.
SPEAKER_00Dean would have so much fun with that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that would be a great idea.
SPEAKER_00The concept, because I think we made a joke about this at one point where, oh, we were talking about we were talking about how Henrickson talks about the the Winchesters the way that Dr. Loomis talks about Michael Meyer. He's like, it's pure evil in there.
SPEAKER_01It's fantastic.
SPEAKER_00Dr. Loomis, top ten horror characters of all time. Genuinely hysterical. So funny.
SPEAKER_01Um okay, so uh, we're in agreement there that they're just clearing this period. They have a grenade launcher in the back of their trunk, like they're good. Um, okay. Next one is a bit of an interesting debate. A nightmare in Elm Street.
SPEAKER_00See, we have too many problems going on with them psychologically for them to win this.
SPEAKER_01That's so true.
SPEAKER_00There's too many psychological problems with him.
SPEAKER_01But could could we argue that Freddie would show up and be like, you know what? I don't want to touch this one. This one's bad.
SPEAKER_00No, because he's a he's a sadistic little bitch and he wants to go after it.
SPEAKER_01I know, but but their nightmares might become his nightmares.
SPEAKER_00No, but remember. Nightmare on Omster 3 Dream Warriors. Yeah. Scored by Angelo Battalimenti.
SPEAKER_01True.
SPEAKER_00Okay, but that but he literally he haunts the fucking the the the mental hospital.
SPEAKER_01Like we're debating that, and those kids kick his ass in every movie.
SPEAKER_00That's true.
SPEAKER_01Now, I I will say this. We've seen an episode, uh, the Jin episode in season two. Uh they could it's similar. It's not the same thing. That's true. They're not being haunted and having to deal with fatigue, but there's been so many times where these these brothers have had to like work, you know what I mean? I I think they could figure out, they could look up the lore on them and be like, well, we could just pull them into the real world. They would figure out the hat thing and pull him into the real world and then just ice him so quick.
SPEAKER_00The other thing is, but let's consider Freddie versus Jason, shall we? Let's consult too much. Sure, let's consult the text.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00We've been doing this a lot lately. We're getting rolling sink over here. Um, but Jason's is Jason or Freddie harder to kill in that movie? I don't remember. They they kill each other, do they not?
SPEAKER_01Sort of. So like Jason wins, but then as he's walking out, he's holding the head of Freddy and Freddie smiles, and so it's like that's a non-winner.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01No contest, I guess. I I don't know.
SPEAKER_00It's a draw.
SPEAKER_01It's a draw. I'm not sure. See, that's how I think about this.
SPEAKER_00I think it's a draw.
SPEAKER_01I think they have an easier time killing Freddie than they do Jason, because Jason's big and he's hulking, and they would have to really lure him into a trap. But the thing about Freddie is as soon as they figure out, you know, as soon as he wakes up from one or two nightmares and he has a scratch, they're both like, okay, so it's invading our dreams. Yeah. Let's contact the lore, what's the local lore? Figured that out. Okay, so he does this and he's invading my mind. We need to pull him into they would figure that out really quickly.
SPEAKER_00So we're we're implying that they just stumble upon these like a case.
SPEAKER_01I am I am looking at this as if they walk into the movie as the movie is happening and they are the now could they win? Okay. Is how I'm looking at it. Some of them now, other times I'm looking as like what's a death battle version of this where they have their basic kit and can they take it down?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01It depends on where you are in the show.
SPEAKER_00See, I kind of feel like they're maybe a little too like screwed up.
SPEAKER_01Well, my other question was gonna be which one would Freddie go after first?
SPEAKER_00Freddie goes after Sam at meeting.
SPEAKER_01Freddie goes after Sam so quick.
SPEAKER_00Freddie goes after Sam so fast.
SPEAKER_01Specifically season one and two, Sam. Yes.
SPEAKER_00Like he's like, The Sam that we have right now, he's like, hello. He's like, he's got a bib on, he's got his little knife and his fork, like yum, yum, yum.
SPEAKER_01Maybe I'm being like, it wouldn't be easy, but I think they beat him. I think if these teenagers can beat him. Now look, do the teenagers really they always give a cop out at the end of whether or not the you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00I think if we put them in these, they would we would have to be able like Heather Langencamp would have to be there.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Nancy would have to be there to be like, here's the pills to take, and then I think.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But if I think if they didn't have the pills, it might be more touching go.
SPEAKER_01But the pills are anything. That's just them waking up and falling asleep. You don't think Dean's got those pills in the Impala right now?
SPEAKER_00What was that comment we got? It's really generous to assume that Dean is getting eight hours of sleep.
SPEAKER_01That one was funny. Um anyway, uh me personally, and you guys debate this in the comments, please. Me personally, I think they're taking it. I think they're beating him.
SPEAKER_00Interesting. I I I'm calling this one a draw. I'm not calling it a drawing. Am I allowed to call this a draw?
SPEAKER_01You can call it a draw if you want to call it a draw.
SPEAKER_00Well, no, I mean, can we litigate do it? Does it have to be a yes or a no, or can we even say that there's they can debate in the comments.
SPEAKER_01We'll let you decide whether or not Sam and Dean beat this thing. Yeah. Beat Freddie um Krueger. Uh they beat him. They beat Freddie Kruger to me. The teenagers beat him most of the time, and then they give a cop out at the end where he's like, oh, he's really out there still. But that's a franchise thing.
SPEAKER_00What about New Nightmare?
SPEAKER_01See, a New Nightmare is a quest. Well, yeah, but they win in New Nightmare.
SPEAKER_00Do they?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00They do, don't they? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Now New Nightmare would be harder because he's a little more vicious, but he's a bitch at New Nightmare. Yeah, he's an asshole.
SPEAKER_00He sucks in that night.
SPEAKER_01Anyway, I think they win. Breck does not. You tell us in the comments who's taking that for you. I don't think so, but that's a real big missed opportunity.
SPEAKER_00It is. He was on an episode. He was in 10 seconds of Stranger Things.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Anyway, the next up I thought I'd throw a curveball. This was my idea. Would Salmon Dean beat Mathegan? Would Salmon Dean beat Mathegan? Not Supernatural, which there's precedent for.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01It's sci-fi.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01I don't know if there's really a debate to be had here because the little girl and the scientist lady beat Mathrigan.
SPEAKER_00Yes, but it would be fun.
SPEAKER_01It would be hysterical.
SPEAKER_00I need that kind of like on my desk by Monday.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Like Jennifer.
SPEAKER_01That's what they need to do in like five or ten years. Uh, Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles need to come back and drop into various silly campy horror franchises as Sam and Dean to see if they can survive.
SPEAKER_00I need that.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so I I think they win this. Follow-up question: do they beat Mathrigan 2.0? Where Methrigan gets an upgrade.
SPEAKER_00That's a good point.
SPEAKER_01I still think they win.
SPEAKER_00Or do we think do we bring in the villain, the other robot, that's harder to beat in Methrigan 2?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Uh other question Does the cult work on Mathrigan?
SPEAKER_00That's a great question.
SPEAKER_01Does an angel blade work on Mathrigan?
SPEAKER_00I don't think so.
SPEAKER_01No, but isn't it funny to consider it? If it can kill anything, is AI alive. Is that version of AI is that version of AI alive enough to count as sentience in the same way that the cult kills supernatural beings?
SPEAKER_00Well now we're debating if a machine could be.
SPEAKER_01I understand, but it's hilarious the concept of this debate.
SPEAKER_00Because then also, like, we know Cybermen are somewhat canon to the universe because we have the bang teller's like funny thing. So then it like That's sci-fi kids. But you know what I but I know, but to me, then I'm like, now, would they be able to kill a Cyberman with the cult?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. You tell us, supernatural experts of the internet.
SPEAKER_00Super hulak rise up.
SPEAKER_01You are right though. I don't know that they would beat the other android from Mathrigan that's like takes herself apart and puts herself back together and is an assassin machine. Yeah. Um But I I think they clear Mathrigan. I think they clear Metrighan. You know what I mean? Like uh I thought about doing the Terminator, but that'll maybe that'll be a part two in between it. We'll do a different version of this where we pick up. T2. Um, okay, this is a really difficult one.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01Smile. Can they take the creature and smile?
SPEAKER_00And again, I say too psychologically disturbed.
SPEAKER_01Yes, but my real question in this is can that we've never seen that thing lose. In the two smile movies, it's never lost.
SPEAKER_00True.
SPEAKER_01Can it even be killed? Is it is it something that can be killed or not? And would Sam and Dean go find some like the Benders guys and give it to them and just do a survival version of it.
SPEAKER_00The concept of them kidnapping the smile monster or kidnapping people to feed to the smile monster constantly.
SPEAKER_01Well, it's not constantly, it's just you have to give it to it once.
unknownThat's a good point.
SPEAKER_01You just have to kill in front of some kill somebody in front of somebody else as a witness, and that person gets it and you're free. Oh, that's true. So it's like, would they do that? Would they go out and try to find like a my evil, horrible human being?
SPEAKER_00The smile or do you think the smile monster would work on like a vampire or a werewolf?
SPEAKER_01I don't think so.
SPEAKER_00You think? I don't think so. I think.
SPEAKER_01Oh, so you don't think vampires are people? Yes. It's I've been very clear about this. I'm kidding. The the humanist vampire episode's very good. Um so yeah, I the the the really The debate on it's crazy because again the the the lore is thin, right?
SPEAKER_00We don't know the lore is thin.
SPEAKER_01Which by the way, the smile movies, nightmare fuel.
SPEAKER_00What's that guy's what's that director's name?
SPEAKER_01Uh uh Parker something.
SPEAKER_00Parker Finn?
SPEAKER_01Parker Finn Park Parker Finn Parker I think it's Parker Finn. Sure.
SPEAKER_00Come on the podcast, Parker Finn.
SPEAKER_01I would love that more than Life Itself.
SPEAKER_00We want you to chime in.
SPEAKER_01I would love that more than Life Itself.
SPEAKER_00That would be so funny. Do you remember when we were watching MTV Scream and we realized Ty West did direct an episode? I really hope we get to a later season of Supernatural and then we're like, like Ty West. Yeah, Parker Finn.
SPEAKER_01Parker Finn did not. It's way after season. No, but it would have been so funny. Okay, so this is kind of a to me best case scenario for what we know of the lore.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Because there's not even really it's not corporeal. There's nothing to kill.
SPEAKER_00It's corporeal. That means we can kill it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, there's there's nothing there's nothing to kill. There's nothing to shoot. You have to like find a way to transfer it, but even if you transfer it, it's not there's not an entity.
SPEAKER_00Does this beg the question that the smile monster isn't even a monster, it's a thing possessing you.
SPEAKER_01Or is it a ghost?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And then we know how to do a we know how to handle a ghost and a demon, no problem.
SPEAKER_01This to me, no contest. I I I don't think they I don't think we can litigate this one. I because we don't know how we don't know if the smile monster can be beaten at all. Because it's never even been beaten. It's never been, we've only seen it without. Yeah. Yep.
SPEAKER_00And it got my girl Sky Riley.
SPEAKER_01Uh it got Sky. I'm a big fan of Naomi Watts. I've had Naomi Watts stock for a long time.
SPEAKER_00Naomi Watts?
SPEAKER_01Naomi Scott.
SPEAKER_00Naomi Scott. I was like, Naomi Watts. Naomi Watts.
SPEAKER_01I am a big fan of Naomi Watts. Naomi. Naomi. I am a big fan of both of those people, but I've had Naomi Scott stalk for a long time. She was in Lemonade Mouth. Yes. And then the Pink Power Ranger.
SPEAKER_00Our goat.
SPEAKER_01And the best part of the live action Aladdin movie that I didn't really like. Okay, next up. Yes. And this one is this one is a very easy answer, but I have a funny question to make it more difficult. Scream. I don't think there's much of a debate here. No. I think I think Ghostface could stab them repeatedly, and they would still win.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Like, this would be the easiest of the horror franchises for them to clear. Yes. They could do this, no problem.
SPEAKER_00Pretty much.
SPEAKER_01Like, there's not I nothing I'm not concerned about this anymore. Yeah. Who cares?
SPEAKER_00Hey.
SPEAKER_01Got them.
SPEAKER_00No T no shade to our beloved Scream franchise. Okay. To the first six movies of the Beloved Scream franchise. Seventh movie? I don't know what that is.
SPEAKER_01We don't know what's yeah. Question is then which Scream, which which Scream movie would they have the most difficulty with? And remember, we're going into this like they're going in hunting a supernatural killer, not knowing who the killers are, who would they have the most difficulty with?
SPEAKER_00That is a great question.
SPEAKER_01And I think it is probably Scream 6. Just because there's three of them and one of them's a cop, so at least he has like training.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. See, my thought was either three, because Roman gives them gives a pretty good runaround in three.
SPEAKER_01He does, even though he's the worst ghost face.
SPEAKER_00Or five. I thought five maybe because I feel like the the lead is buried really well on five.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And they take out a main character in five for dumb plot reasons.
SPEAKER_00R I P Dewey. Don't even say that. I know. It's an honor.
SPEAKER_01It's an honor.
SPEAKER_00He's way better at the ghost face voice than me.
SPEAKER_01I'm not even very good at it.
SPEAKER_00I feel like it could be five.
SPEAKER_01It could to me it's five or six. Now the problem is, the real problem is they shoot one of them, they figure it out.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01They're like, first ghost face encounter, they're like, alright, bang, got him. Literally.
SPEAKER_00And I'm only thinking five because like Amber really pulls off the reveal in five. No one finds out that Amber, no one unmasks Amber. Yeah. Amber unmasks herself.
SPEAKER_01But the problem is in that universe, man, these guys are getting stabbed 50 times and they're just fine.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Like, anyway, they clear my other question is how many ghost faces does it take to overwhelm Sam and Dean?
SPEAKER_00Collectively, it's gotta be like 15.
SPEAKER_01Like 15 to 20 ghost faces have to be running all scurrying around the house to get them, right?
SPEAKER_00Especially if they're the teenager ghost faces.
SPEAKER_01If they're it's a mix. It's a we'll we'll we'll get an even mix of teens to adult ghost faces from varying backgrounds.
SPEAKER_00Like if it were maybe it would be 10 of the cop ghost face.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It would have to be at least 15 of any of the other ones.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Because he he's arguably, I think, the strongest out of all of them.
SPEAKER_01That is probably true, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I can't think of any other ghost faces that are like Yeah. I mean, because it's what? So one, you have Billy and Stu. Yeah. Two, you have um Timothy Oliphant and um Billy's mom. Billy's mom. Three is Roman. Four is Jill and her goofy boyfriend.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Five is um what's his face? Jack Quaid and um an Academy Award winner, Mikey Madison.
SPEAKER_01Um who got the role because of that movie.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Awesome. So awesome. And then um the three, the the
SPEAKER_01Dermot Maroonie spider from the Avatar movies.
SPEAKER_00Is that him?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, it's him. Isn't that awesome?
SPEAKER_00I didn't know that. Damn, that guy had a crazy 2022, 2023.
SPEAKER_01He did.
SPEAKER_00I didn't know that. Yeah. It just blew my mind.
SPEAKER_01Anyway, uh, they're taking it. It's gonna take a lot of ghost faces to bring it on. This is the easiest one on this list to be like, of course they're winning. Like, they solve mysteries all the time.
SPEAKER_00Like that's literally, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Number seven. Well, okay.
SPEAKER_00How many Sydneys would it take to take them down?
SPEAKER_01I don't know. Why would they fight Sydney?
SPEAKER_00I don't know, but now I'm thinking about it because I think Sydney's awesome.
SPEAKER_01It would not take it a lot. It would take a lot of Sydneys to actually beat them.
SPEAKER_00I know. I just like Sydney.
SPEAKER_01Because Sam and Dean are like basically two Terminators. That's true.
SPEAKER_00That's true.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Next up is an interesting one.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01Because on the surface it seems very easy. Yes. But this universe is insane.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01Paranormal activity.
SPEAKER_00I just love those movies. I love those movies, too. They're just so much fun to me. I don't really care what you think about those movies. One and three, actually good movies. The rest of them, just a good, fun cheese pizza delivered to your house.
SPEAKER_01So my my take on this is that on the surface, super easy. They're coming in, they're clearing this out, no problem. Except paranormal activity isn't exactly a ghost movie.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01It is a demon movie.
SPEAKER_00It's demons, it's dimensions.
SPEAKER_01It's dimensions.
SPEAKER_00There's a once you get to the dimensional stuff of it, I think it gets a little more difficult.
SPEAKER_01It gets more difficult, but also their teenagers are doing this research. If you throw these two in on it, they're gonna clear it. They're gonna do this research so quick.
SPEAKER_00The issue is, well, and I guess later they do there is some dimension hopping, I guess, but once you get to like the marked ones and ghost dimension, I feel like it gets a little more difficult.
SPEAKER_01I I totally agree. It gets more difficult, but I also think they're smart enough to go, okay, something's going on. Let's do the research, let's look into it. Because all these people figure about Toby.
SPEAKER_00True.
SPEAKER_01They're gonna find the symbol and Sam's gonna pull out some big leather book and be like, okay, well, here it is. Well, get this. The only way to kill it is, and then they're gonna figure it out. I think they're good here. I do think I agree. As they go on, it gets a little harder for them.
SPEAKER_00Um also this franchise features supernatural alum Catherine Newton.
SPEAKER_01It does. Hey, Quayne. She's in four? She's in the fourth one?
SPEAKER_00Yes. Yeah. She's the sister, she's the TH sister in that one, which is the first one.
SPEAKER_01Who gets like levitated, which is necked? To me, the scariest scene of that movie is when she just gets like levitated in here while she's sleeping. Uncomfortable don't worry about it.
SPEAKER_00Uncomfortable.
SPEAKER_01Um okay, paranormal activity, easy enough. They take that. Okay, now we haven't talked about zombies yet.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01So we're gonna have a zombie well, I guess technically Jason's a zombie, but not exactly a zombie.
SPEAKER_00Jason's just Jason.
SPEAKER_01Jason's just Jason.
SPEAKER_00He just being Jason.
SPEAKER_01Um okay, we're gonna talk about 28 years later. Yes. So not necessarily zombies, infected, but in the newest one, they do say zombies.
SPEAKER_00Yes. Um Are we arguing 28 years later or 28 days later? Or the whole thing. You said years.
SPEAKER_01I meant days.
SPEAKER_00Because if you've seen 28 years later, Bone Temple.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, movie rocks. Movie Rocks.
SPEAKER_00So does it be like that if Sam could figure it out, his ass will be running around with a syringe like we're just gonna pump you full of morphine until it works.
SPEAKER_01Like but there's too many, it's a whole This is true.
SPEAKER_00Which is a question.
SPEAKER_01The other thing is survivability of this is like they're on a whole island. Yeah. Whole a whole ass fucking island.
SPEAKER_00We've seen, I don't think they win this. And it's not because of skill, it's because they get covered in blood too much.
SPEAKER_01Dude, straight up that was gonna be my point.
SPEAKER_00They get covered in blood too much.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, these two are not clean killers.
SPEAKER_00They're gonna kill somebody and they could kill one zombie and immediately turn.
SPEAKER_01It's the infection that that is the kicker. That's the trailer.
SPEAKER_00Because we literally just watched Dean saw that vampire's head off and then get good, just the beautiful cup. I'm like, he they have no self-preservation instincts when it comes to bloodborne disease.
SPEAKER_01Okay, how long do they survive though?
SPEAKER_00Like 10 minutes.
SPEAKER_01I don't agree with that. I think they take it pretty far.
SPEAKER_00You think they take it pretty far?
SPEAKER_01I think they're I because these things, these zombies don't have to be shot in the head. I think they're really good shots. I think they're probably good at they're good at bow hunting. We know that. But they hinted at that. I think they're survivalists. I think they last a very long time before finally going out trying to save everything because there's nothing to save. Yeah. Like that's kind of my take. I think eventually they die when they Okay, here's my question. Could they beat an alpha in a fight? Let's take one singular alpha from the later movies. Could they take a Samson in a fight? Because we didn't we never see a Alpha die in those, the two newest movies. Yeah, true. They never die.
SPEAKER_00That's a great question. I kind of think no. Because I think in the time that they're trying to fight an alpha, I think they're getting overwhelmed by other interpretations.
SPEAKER_01Too many others show up. Yeah, sure. I'm saying, what if they just fight an alpha? They're in a situation where the old Alpha's the only one there.
SPEAKER_00They'd have to be long distance, I think.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because I mean that alpha's taking multiple bow shots.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that alpha takes multiple, and I think the alpha has a point where he's like vomiting on someone else to turn them. Or like those movies are crazy. Yeah, they're movies. I love those movies. Love truly spiritual, beautiful films. But I think Sam and Dean truly are just not really they're too comfortable with being gross to have like, especially if they don't know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Because I think even if they know they would end up screwing up.
SPEAKER_01You're saying bad hygiene is the thing that gets them in the air.
SPEAKER_00And that's what kills most people.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Sure.
SPEAKER_00So think about that.
SPEAKER_01Um, no, I agree. I but I I think they would last longer than you think they would last.
SPEAKER_00Like, do you like what are you thinking?
SPEAKER_01I think they'd last years.
SPEAKER_00Oh, interesting.
SPEAKER_01Like, I think they would do very well for a very long time.
SPEAKER_00Well, and this that's this then begs the question where are they when the outbreak occurs?
SPEAKER_01Let's put them in the same situation as uh Mr.
SPEAKER_00Murphy.
SPEAKER_01Mr. Murphy, they're holding hands in a bed in a in a uh in a in a hospital. They walk out, they're in there like 30 days into it, 28 days into it. That's my take.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_01That's my take. Okay. They're there. Because I think I I think they're smart enough to see something running them. They're just like, alright, take care of it. Yeah. Um, and then they're gonna find somebody who knows what's going on.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, they don't go to the Rick Grimes school if if there's just one, ignore it.
SPEAKER_01Like, yeah, they're they're gonna handle shit.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You know, they're gonna be smart enough to after they see one or two, they're like, we gotta get out of the city. Yeah. Zombie outbreak. They're gonna understand this because they're Sam and Dean. Again, I think they last a long time, but I think inevitably they die because I think inevitably everyone dies in that universe, it feels like. Um except for my boy Spike.
SPEAKER_00Is do they accidentally start a cult because they're too good at it?
SPEAKER_01I would love that. I would join that cult. We already know Dean has a propensity to start the resistances. Yeah. But there's the other question. Maybe they raise an army and take back the island. Damn. Maybe they raise an army and take back the island.
SPEAKER_00Maybe they figure it out and they like find masks. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Okay, well here's the other question. Could they take the um how quickly could they take out the uh the Jimmies? The Jimmies.
SPEAKER_00Easy peasy.
SPEAKER_01Other than Jimmy that ends up surviving that movie?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, what is her name? Not Jemima.
SPEAKER_01Um I can't remember.
SPEAKER_00I don't know. The the the one that lives and ends up with Spike. Jimmy. Yeah. Yeah. How's that?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. How's that? I she's a crazy psychopath killer lady. She's I'm obsessed with her. Um they would still win, but it would be harder.
SPEAKER_00Like meanwhile, Dean would be out there trying to figure something out, and Sam's like with um Kelson, like la la la.
SPEAKER_01He's like, Oh, so you're right. If we mix these berries and that morphine, we'll calm down. He's like sitting there dancing down, like, yeah, those two would be buddies, and Dean would just be in the background like Dean's in the background then somehow bonds with Samson. It's true. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00As is per his youth.
SPEAKER_01He would see Samson's thing and just go, yeah, me too, buddy. Like literally. And then he'd look at it again and go, and then walk away.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Anyway, okay, so we're there. Next up, Evil Dead. Another question of can you actually win?
SPEAKER_00Here's the thing. I don't think this goes exactly like the movie.
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_00Because I don't think Sam and Dean are stupid enough to start reading from a book if they just find it.
SPEAKER_01But let's say they stumble into it mid-situation.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01They're looking for the book, they get their right as it's being read.
SPEAKER_00Evil Dead or Evil Dead 2?
SPEAKER_01Just the evil dead.
SPEAKER_00Just the dead of the evil.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, the dead of the evil dead.
SPEAKER_00That's a great question.
SPEAKER_01Because that's such a goofy version of possession. But also, do we ever get confirmation if hacking up the body parts and burying them separately actually works, or is that just like a joke in the book? They're like, this is gonna be hilarious.
SPEAKER_00I don't remember.
SPEAKER_01Because it 2013 when she wins.
SPEAKER_00So it's possible. And she's got nothing. She's just God bless her. Yeah arm ripped off by a Jeep.
SPEAKER_01I think they'd win this because they know the lore well enough and they speak Latin.
SPEAKER_00They're smart enough.
SPEAKER_01I don't know there's much debate debate here. Because I think they're clearing Army of Darkness. Yeah. They're clearing 13.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Uh the infection in this one does transfer really easily and quickly, but I think they're winning.
SPEAKER_00What about Evil Dead Rise?
SPEAKER_01That's the one where I don't think there's a way, like I don't know how those other the two that survive in that movie aren't infected. Yeah. Like they should just be infected. Yeah. That's my take on it. Yeah. It makes no sense. However, I think they'll probably survive. I mean, they'll be the two that walk away if anyone walks away.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Interesting.
SPEAKER_01Anyway, I don't know. It's a little harder for me. This one's harder.
SPEAKER_00But it's also just because I love Evil Dead.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but it's also just like these again, it's the research aspect where it's like if these people can get this far on the research, Sam and Dean are going to clean up.
SPEAKER_00Literally, because a lot of Evil Dead is just stumbling on some guy's research. Sam would be like, Woohoo!
SPEAKER_01You find a little record and it says, Don't read from the book. And Sam's like, Alright, I won't read from the book.
SPEAKER_00Sounds good to me, and then the person he's with somehow maybe.
SPEAKER_01No, Dean's like, good. I hate reading.
SPEAKER_00Or Dean's ex starts reading something, and then he realizes it's a good thing. That's true.
SPEAKER_01Dean's in the background, like listening to dumb records of dumb nerds.
SPEAKER_00Like literally.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so I I think they survive Evil Dead. Um Alright, last one, and I think maybe the most interesting conversation. Do they survive the xenomorph? Can they take out alien?
SPEAKER_00It's a very interesting question. How the issue Let's say they're in space. In space. Let's say they're in space too much.
SPEAKER_01In space.
SPEAKER_00I think Dean tries immediately to shoot it a bunch of times and it starts bleeding acid everywhere, and then the ship breaks down and they die.
SPEAKER_01Yep. Yep.
SPEAKER_00Like I think that's just kind of how it goes.
SPEAKER_01Completely.
SPEAKER_00Like it's not.
SPEAKER_01Let's put them in an aliens situation where they don't have to worry about that. They're still technically in space, but they don't have to worry about the acid blood in that way as much. They have to fight this thing and kill it.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01Can they win?
SPEAKER_00They find a predator.
SPEAKER_01They find a predator. Maybe that'll be the next debate. That'd be funny. Do you like genuinely? What do you think? Like, is this a I think this one is a. Because the xenomorph is the perfect killing machine.
SPEAKER_00I kind of don't think they win this one. I don't think they win it either. I don't think they win this one.
SPEAKER_01Like Sigorni only wins in most of these movies out of luck. Yeah. Well, aliens is different.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I think they could take one soul xenomorph, especially if we give them the marine pistol, the marine uh space marine machine gun.
SPEAKER_00If if we keep if they manage to keep Dean from fully fucking shit up in the first one, I think they could.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I think Sam, I think they'd go like how we said if they could survive Jason X, they would figure out how to open up like a hatch and like let it get sucked out in space.
SPEAKER_01They're they are they are incredibly smart and good at hunting, which none of the characters in these movies typically are. Yes. Correct. Not good at the hunting. They're like, here's an idea, let's try it, let's split up. It's like they're better at that stuff. I think it takes them further. However, I think this is like 50-50. I think sometimes they win, sometimes they lose. I agree. Like I hard agree. Because like here's the thing, they they took out a Wendigo, which is supposed to be like a perfect hunter. Yeah. But they beat it. Yeah. And how many other countless other things that are just like designed to kill them do they do?
SPEAKER_00They're designed to be perfect hunters. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01It's like I think they stand a really good shot. I do not think they win every time.
SPEAKER_00I agree.
SPEAKER_01I think there's a lot of times where these guys get get you know their wings clipped and can't keep going.
SPEAKER_00Now this does beg a question. Which one of them is getting face huggered first?
SPEAKER_01Face huggered first? Dean.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Dean's looking in the little egg thing immediately, and Sam's gonna go, don't do that, and then Dean's gonna get face hugged.
SPEAKER_00100%.
SPEAKER_01Hundo P.
SPEAKER_00Hundo P.
SPEAKER_01You kidding me? That would be Dean's favorite. Dean could see the movie Alien before getting put in this situation and still be the guy to get face huggered.
SPEAKER_00Here's my other question.
SPEAKER_01Here's your other question.
SPEAKER_00Alien Romulus.
SPEAKER_01Alien Romulus.
SPEAKER_00How do they fare against the newborn?
SPEAKER_01Oh, uh um, do they have any weapons?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01They beat it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I hate that thing. The thing's horrifying. I hate that thing. They beat it, though. Because that that isn't as much of like a, you know, it's more of a dude, you know, and they're gonna blast. They're just gonna blast away at him. Like, is it's not gonna be a problem.
SPEAKER_00Isabella Mercedes should have been in Supernatural.
SPEAKER_01Isabella Oh my god, yes. Isabella Merced should have been in Supernatural.
SPEAKER_00We lost things. Can they bring Supernatural? They need to bring Supernatural back for one season so everyone who's ever wanted to be in Supernatural can be in it.
SPEAKER_01It will happen. They will do a supernatural limited series event or a supernatural movie or something by at some point. You know what Supernatural needs is a video game. Yes. Like Supernatural needs a video game.
SPEAKER_00Where is our open world supernatural video game where you get to run around America and hunt things?
SPEAKER_01I want that.
SPEAKER_00I don't care how long it takes. I need that on my desk.
SPEAKER_01Eric!
SPEAKER_00Get that over to the fellows at Rockstar. They made Red Dead 2.
SPEAKER_01That's what I'm saying. Come on. Anyway, okay, moving on. Anyways. So we we think that's like a 50-50. Sometimes they win, sometimes they lose.
SPEAKER_00They beat the newborn.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00What uh what are the other creatures of the alien of the alien world? That's it? There's a few in uh uh I was about to say something stupid, but I was gonna say the cyborgs, but that's easy.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, they're taking out the cyborgs. Yeah. Most of them at least. Yeah. Covenant cyborgs might be harder, but they're still gonna win.
SPEAKER_00I haven't seen Covenant.
SPEAKER_01Oh, Covenant's. I hot take, Covenant's good. Alien Covenant's a good movie. I've only seen an Alien or something. It's a good movie. Yeah. It's better than Prometheus, which uh Jacob and I are a friend of mine, have debated to shouting at each other.
SPEAKER_00Do you know this funny story about Prometheus of mine?
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_00It's my dad and my older brother were going to see it, and I was probably 13 when that came out. Oh, I do know. And I wanted to go see it so bad because I had read the plot of Alien, and I was like, I'll figure it out because this is what I did when I was too scared to watch horror movies. And then apparently, halfway through that movie, my brother turned to my dad and went, we can't take Breck to go see this.
SPEAKER_01Prometheus is also better than people give it credit for, but it's not Alien Covenant's like actually really pretty good.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Uh anyway, fight me in the comments, please.
SPEAKER_00We love Alien Romulus.
SPEAKER_01We love engagement. So, anyway, so that's the end of our debate. So let's
Final Results
SPEAKER_01let's do a little breakdown here. A little final breakdown. Friday the 13th, they're clearing with one exception, which is Alien X. Halloween, they're clearing. They're taking Halloween, they're taking Michael Myers out. Nightmare on Elm Street, you and I are at kind of a crossroads where I think they're gonna survive. You do not.
SPEAKER_00I think it's 50-50.
SPEAKER_01Tell us in the comments because I don't agree.
SPEAKER_00We need to litigate.
SPEAKER_01Uh Methrigan, they're beating Mathrigan uh in a hilarious battle. Smile, we don't have enough information. More data.
SPEAKER_00Parker Finn, can you write in and give us some lore information, please? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01More data needed for that. Uh scream clearing with just it's gonna be like playing a video game to them. Like uh paranormal activity, we think they will clear. It will become more difficult as the movies go on. So depending on which version you drop them in, a little bit harder. However, I think they'll win.
SPEAKER_00I would love to see. Sorry, I'm still thinking about this. I would love to see Dean walk into the house and see the chicken feet in the flower and be like, what the hell?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, just be like, I'm out.
SPEAKER_00This is dumb.
SPEAKER_01Um, okay. Uh 28 days later, universe. We think I I think they will last quite a while and either create an army to survive and win or die. Yeah. Uh that one's a little bit harder because of the infection rate, and it becomes more difficult to fight these things. Yes. Anyway, uh, evil dead, they're winning. They're gonna figure out evil dead. Uh, alien is a 50-50, split down the middle depending on the situation, depending on the environment, depending on how much they know going in. That one's a lot of variables that have to go into it, but if they will win some, lose some.
SPEAKER_00Yes. There we go. Wow.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00That was actually pretty easy.
SPEAKER_01Pretty easy.
SPEAKER_00Pretty easy.
SPEAKER_01Sam and Dean, badasses.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Who'd have thought?
SPEAKER_00Who would have thought? Like, truly. Not me, after seeing so many seasons of this show so many times, and I just watched them handle things.
SPEAKER_01All right. So that's been this episode. Yeah. Uh, Be Afraid of the Dark
What to watch for next week
SPEAKER_01special presentation. Um, you won't have an episode this coming Monday, but the next Monday you will, and then it will be a week off, and then season three will start. We, as of recording this, are not 100% sure what the next special episode will be. We're thinking about maybe taking some supernatural personality quizzes of like which character you are. Um, we'll see if that ends up happening. If not, we'll pocket that and save it for another episode. Or live, who's to say or live, who's to say? Not me. I don't know what's going on.
SPEAKER_00Um, but tell us if you'd like us to do lives. If you'd there's something fun that you'd like us to see as chat, or if you just want us to hop on and we can just chat live about any episode.
SPEAKER_01But while you're waiting for this next episode, you should jump in the comments here. Tell us if we're right, tell us if we're wrong. Tell us which other horror movies you want to hear our opinions on if Salmon Dean could survive.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we'll probably do another one of these.
SPEAKER_01Probably do like 10 of these. These are super fun to me.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, I I I personally want to do a Stephen King universe. Like which Stephen King stories could they survive?
SPEAKER_00I think we gotta bring Chucky in at some point.
SPEAKER_01Well, the debate is it. Can they beat it? You know, Chucky was the one I should have put. Um, I forgot about I didn't do Chucky. Final Destination, if there's even a way to make Final Destination.
SPEAKER_00We have that episode, it's called Mystery Spot. We're about to watch it.
SPEAKER_01Very true. Okay. So between now and then, you know what you gotta do. You gotta get your journals. You gotta hit the road. You don't really have to watch any TV this time, but remember you know what's out there. Be afraid of the dark.