Watchtower After Dark with Smurf Girl & Mitch

Ep. 02 (audio only): WATCHTOWER AFTER DARK - Smurf Girl aka Rose Bundy Interviews ExJDub (Mitch)

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In episode 2 on Watchtower After Dark Smurf Girl aka Rose Bundy interviews Mitch to see how much he was involved with the Jehovah's Witness cult, something that bothered him a great deal, when he left, and his involvement with apostates before he left.

Of course, it wouldn't be a normal episode if Smurf Girl and Mitch didn't pick on the governing body some. We hope that you enjoy this episode. There is so much more to delve into with both hosts, so we hope that you stay tuned as both Rose and Mitch gradually peel away the many emotional layers recalling their time in the Jehovah's Witness cult. 

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UNKNOWN:

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02:

me smurf girl rose bundy how's it going so i hijacked the show and i'm gonna interview mitch instead how's it going mitch x j dub

SPEAKER_00:

it's going great thank you how are you

SPEAKER_02:

good so i'm turning the tables and i want to ask you some questions because you're like what nine months out of the organization that's new Are you scared? Or was that like the last straw that you were done?

SPEAKER_00:

Like, was I afraid to leave?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I was just done and tired of pretending and being fake, but it was apprehension. Like, not knowing what to expect. I mean, not wanting to let my family know. That kind of crap.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Was your overall impression of the apostates different once you started to get into it and stuff? Like, what was your first impression of apostates, of demonized apostates?

SPEAKER_00:

So I left in December of 2024, and I pretty much kept to myself. I didn't really reach out and look for any apostates or anything like that until the end of May. I saw something just scrolling on the internet and it caught my attention and it was an ex-witness and I started looking and you know, I'm afraid because they've just taught us the whole time, stay away from apostates, like they're evil, they're mean, they're going to be like damn demonic control. So I didn't want anything to do with them, but I watched, piqued my interest and I just kept going down a rabbit hole and looking. Eventually I found you.

SPEAKER_02:

yeah well good oh my god a safe place to fall that's what i like to be is a safe place to fall for people and so then you just jumped in with both feet then it

SPEAKER_00:

was still apprehensive but then i was interacting with someone over in um the uk and they asked me if i had seen a document um they posted it a couple of years ago And they were trying to find it and they found it. And it was actually a document from one of the branches to a body of elders in the congregation telling them how to handle a predator within the congregation. And that's what like just opened my eyes and set me on a path I'm on now.

SPEAKER_02:

Because you were a ministerial servant, which in my opinion, servants see more than the elders do. Cause the servants like alert the elders and they're like the go between from a congregation member to the elders where it's like, well, maybe I'll talk to a servant first. You know what I mean? And they're more friendly. You're not as scared. They're at the literature counter. So what were your duties as a ministerial servant?

SPEAKER_00:

I was over the AV department at the kingdom hall and I was over the attendant department. Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

How long were you serving for? Like,

SPEAKER_00:

collectively, I would say about nine or ten years. But I was serving at three different times.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, yeah, yeah. Sometimes you are, then you're not, and then you are. You start with mics and stuff like

SPEAKER_00:

that. I was self-inflicted, though. I would do things, I'd have to get my wrist slapped. and removed.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, my God. Oh, we forgot to say happy Fez Friday to all the Shriners out there. And guess what? Okay, is it on straight? I can't see because of my eyes.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_02:

Both me and Mitch, we got our right-hand rings on. And we want to specify that these are indeed... Masonic rings.

SPEAKER_00:

I feel like Sam Heard.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, you are. You're Sam Heard's little brother. You're not as grouchy. You're not as big of a bitch.

SPEAKER_00:

I try not to be.

SPEAKER_02:

I know. He's a nicer, better brother. You're now the faithful slave of the XJW network. It's

SPEAKER_00:

a big deal. You're the

SPEAKER_02:

token Mitch.

SPEAKER_00:

come up with some dark light

SPEAKER_02:

okay so now were you born in or how did you come into the organization

SPEAKER_00:

yeah i was uh born into it my parents got baptized in 66 i was born in 70.

SPEAKER_01:

oh wow

SPEAKER_00:

like 1974 or 75 my father became an elder he's still one so i've been deep into it all my life

SPEAKER_02:

So they came in when the whole 1975 deal was starting to be hyped.

UNKNOWN:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Nice. Nice on you. Nice on them, huh? Did they give up a lot? Do you remember giving up a lot?

SPEAKER_00:

Like coming up?

SPEAKER_02:

Giving up a lot for 75. Oh,

SPEAKER_00:

I was too young to remember

SPEAKER_02:

that.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay. To remember 75, yeah. But I know... I know my parents looked forward to it because, you know, that was the hype when it came in. But when I started to remember it, it was past 75 when I started to really remember the organization.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Are your parents alive or are they both deceased?

SPEAKER_00:

No, they're alive. My mom had dementia real bad, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh. So you're old, but your dad's gone?

SPEAKER_00:

No, he's there too.

SPEAKER_02:

is he still a witness

SPEAKER_00:

oh

SPEAKER_02:

yeah oh we got to work on them

SPEAKER_00:

yeah he's still an elder but uh i you know at this point i just want them to like just finish their lives out clinging on to the whole thing you know what i mean

SPEAKER_02:

did they talk to you

SPEAKER_00:

no

SPEAKER_02:

okay hmm we'll have to work on that so um Your view growing up as a witness then, when did you get baptized? How

SPEAKER_00:

old were

SPEAKER_02:

you?

SPEAKER_00:

I was 16. Okay. I was doing things around the congregation already, like since I was like 13. And they were just like, you know, you want to continue doing things, you know, you probably should think about getting baptized soon. because I was already- Oh, so they're

SPEAKER_02:

pressuring you.

SPEAKER_00:

Not pressuring me, but the elders, they were kind of telling me, because I was doing a lot of things, and then it was getting to the point, like, if I wanted to progress to do more, you needed to be- Well, that's

SPEAKER_02:

called pressuring, Mitch. That's how

SPEAKER_00:

they pressure.

SPEAKER_02:

You want privileges, don't you? Or, like, dangling that carrot of, like, you want to do my things?

SPEAKER_00:

Like, I wanted to progress in the congregation.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Like, that's why I was 16. You know, it's like some ex-witnesses saying I was pressured. Like, I'm very vocal. I wasn't pressured. I was all for that organization. Like, I wanted to progress in the congregation, so I wanted to get baptized.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Well, that means they were successful in baiting you. That's called successful baiting. Did you know that? Where they bait you where you don't even know it, you think it's your own decision. Where they goaded you into it so successfully you thought it was your own decision. You know what I

SPEAKER_00:

mean? I get what you're saying, but that conversation that I had with them was I would say a year and a half to two years prior to me being baptized. It's not like they told me that. They told me that when I was 14, I think. And like, I was still doing stuff around the congregation, but you know, you get to a certain age and I'm like, you know, I should probably get baptized, man. Well, yeah,

SPEAKER_02:

because otherwise something bad will happen. You know, like, oh man, I'll probably be seen as worldly or I won't be invited to parties or, you know, you know that if you don't, something bad is going to happen,

SPEAKER_00:

right? I wasn't worried about being invited to parties.

UNKNOWN:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, yeah. No, you did. Did you sneak around as a teenager?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, as long as I didn't worry about getting late at the parties. Me and the other elder kids, we had our own little clique. We didn't worry about being late to nowhere. I was one of the real elders.

SPEAKER_02:

Was your dad an elder at that time? What's the status of your dad growing up?

SPEAKER_00:

He was an elder since 1974.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, wow. Elder's kid forever. So you got away with murder.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, like I said, I didn't worry about being invited to the party. Like, I was the

SPEAKER_02:

party. You're probably like Samuel Heard's son. That's what I'm saying. You're Samuel Heard's son. Just, yeah. Okay, little Mr. Sammy Davis Jr. Samuel Heard Jr. here. Me

SPEAKER_00:

and Sam, we knew when we had to be spiritual.

SPEAKER_02:

I know, it's time, yeah, it's an obligatory ring flag. We got a ring flag. Brothers and sisters, okay? Like how much more, how much more do we need to do it? Welcome

SPEAKER_00:

to

SPEAKER_02:

the XJW Network. We need, oh, we need our, my things, we need to put our fingers on the Bible. Welcome.

SPEAKER_00:

Here we

SPEAKER_02:

are. What do you think about it, Mitch? That's what

SPEAKER_00:

I'm going to end every episode.

SPEAKER_02:

We

SPEAKER_00:

love you.

SPEAKER_02:

When you were a witness, this is another question I got on my paper. What was it like being on the receiving end of our apostasy? in recent years, like since 2017 onward, in what ways did you receive our apostasy at you? Did you experience it?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yeah. I would say 2015, 2016. I'm a ministerial servant, but I had started this Instagram account, and it was JW motivation. And, you know, I would do memes and just like positive Jehovah's Witness stuff, right?

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, you were?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yeah. And it grew. I had 85,000 followers.

SPEAKER_02:

No.

SPEAKER_00:

And every once in a while, several times a day, apostates would come and comment on posts. And they would just harass the shit out of me.

SPEAKER_02:

That was probably all apostates subscribed to you. 100%. No, what was it named?

SPEAKER_00:

Up on my page.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

That was it, JW Motivation.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, that was you? That was you? Yeah, it's like, yeah, there's this stupid Jehovah's Witness guy. He's a real dope. He's motivational. You know what we said about you?

SPEAKER_00:

Wow.

SPEAKER_02:

We need to wake that guy up. You know, we need to work on this guy. He does these motivational things. Yeah. I

SPEAKER_00:

have my own little hustle back in here.

SPEAKER_02:

But 85,000, that's a lot.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, from around the world, yeah. I had to stop it, though.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

It got to be too much. I'll just put it like this. I made a video about this on my TikTok when I first started the account, but I would get a lot of questionable photos and videos from Jehovah's Witness women

SPEAKER_02:

yeah

SPEAKER_00:

and like yeah it was great i was a servant i was trying to be good so yeah

SPEAKER_02:

were they what country were they mainly from nigeria

SPEAKER_00:

or i don't know it was like uh quite a few quite a few from america uh brazil was crazy

SPEAKER_02:

I'm getting a lot from Brazil. I get a lot from Nigeria. I think I'm their cup of tea. I've been told that I'm a Nigerian guy's cup of tea. I can see

SPEAKER_00:

that, but the African friends grill me.

SPEAKER_02:

The

SPEAKER_00:

Africans do not like me right now.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, I bet. I bet. Yeah, it's like you turn... No, they're jealous. They're jealous. Because those... Oh, hello, Nigerian Jehovah's Witness brothers. I appreciate all of your pictures online. And... Keep them coming. I like it. Keep it coming. I appreciate it. Don't worry about Mitch. He's not going to get jealous. But... No, I got so... Oh, yeah. Oh, I forgot. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, wait. They need to be careful, okay?

SPEAKER_02:

We just gotta let... You know, because Lloyd can't... Lloyd Evans can't distinguish or identify when somebody's doing something weird with their rings. We're just teaching Lloyd. Schooling him. Going to ring school. Theocratic ring school. That's what they do. Theocratic ring school. You know, how do you... You try and flash that ring. Flash it. I got to do it on my pinky.

SPEAKER_00:

You know, I used to... When I gave talks, I would wear this.

SPEAKER_02:

To be like a big wig. Like a big shot, huh?

SPEAKER_00:

I just liked it. And I would gesture a lot with this hand.

SPEAKER_02:

yeah it makes you feel important

SPEAKER_00:

and i would hold a bible with my left hand and you know i would point like that and i would gesture with this hand so they saw the ring

SPEAKER_02:

yeah

SPEAKER_00:

so it

SPEAKER_02:

wasn't necessarily masonic but it gave you maybe an important masonic vibe whether you knew it or not

SPEAKER_00:

i guess i guess as well from what i saw on the other broadcast

SPEAKER_02:

Or, oh, oh, as a Jehovah's Witness, was John Gotti one of your heroes?

SPEAKER_00:

I wouldn't attribute it to, I never have attributed it to being a witness, but I, and you, man, and that's my kids. I love, like, gangster movies.

SPEAKER_02:

God, Bobby.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Dealer

SPEAKER_02:

Andrew Garcia. I

SPEAKER_00:

got into Sopranos and I like Goodfellas and like all those movies, Godfather, yeah. Now why would that be? That's why I liked it, because I was a witness.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh yeah, well it's, it's Gerloche, brothers. Gerloche. Garrett Loesch, I have seen for John Gotti, like you wouldn't believe, because of Garrett Loesch. That man, delicious. He's delicious. He's gangster delicious, Papa Garrett.

SPEAKER_00:

Wow. I wouldn't associate delicious with Loesch, but

SPEAKER_02:

okay. Oh, in the head, come on. Oh, you're a man. The girl's not girls. What am I saying? Gary

SPEAKER_03:

Lush.

SPEAKER_00:

Wow.

SPEAKER_02:

You know, Gary Lush. Wow. They kept us girls going. Did you ever go to Bethel or have aspirations?

SPEAKER_00:

I never wanted to go to work. So I never went to the one in the United States. In the mid-70s, we went to my family, we went to Toronto. And we moved into the Pet Branch.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Did you do one of the Bethel bus tours?

SPEAKER_00:

It was a walking tour.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, how did you get there? Did you drive?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, we drove and then it was a walking tour.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, okay. My Uncle Sidney Juergens does the Juergens Bethel bus tours where you go on a bus and you all go together. Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, he does that. That's our family.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

UNKNOWN:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

God, that's ridiculous. So did you pioneer?

SPEAKER_00:

Not regular pioneer, but I would exhilarate here and there.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, yeah, I think everybody's been forced into that. I

SPEAKER_00:

don't want to devote that much time to it because I had other pursuits.

SPEAKER_02:

I know exhilarate pioneering was what, like 60 hours?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah,

SPEAKER_02:

that was

SPEAKER_00:

60 hours.

SPEAKER_02:

That was a lot.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that was a lot.

SPEAKER_02:

Now it's like...

SPEAKER_00:

30.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, now being 60 would be like a special pioneer.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's like 50, I think, for auxiliary, I think.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't know. Used to be something. I

SPEAKER_00:

think it's 30. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02:

So did you raise your kids' witnesses then, too?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Did they leave before you, or how did that work?

SPEAKER_00:

Our oldest, too. And then the younger two, they were still like active witnesses when we were, like the four of us were together.

SPEAKER_02:

And now they're all out?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, we all left.

SPEAKER_02:

Good. So it's just your parents. So old.

SPEAKER_00:

I have

SPEAKER_02:

a

SPEAKER_00:

brother and his family.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, man. They're still in.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, he's an elder also.

SPEAKER_02:

A lot of times it's just that status. Like I, you know, I know like with my uncle Jeremy, I'm going to call him out. Uncle Jeremy West. He is the most worldly elder on the face of the planet. The worldly, worldly. And he's only an elder because he could never be that self-important anywhere else. You know what I'm saying? Like he would, Nobody else would ever care or think anything about him like that other than the Jehovah's Witnesses, where you can be a big shot.

SPEAKER_00:

Man, that's the video I made yesterday talking about narcissists. But yeah, that's what I was saying. Most of these elders, it goes to their head, but as soon as they walk out of that Kingdom Hall door, they're just some regular nobody.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, they're just a janitor where they're like not even looked at anymore and nobody. Oh, how many times? Oh, my God. With my stepdad, Arden Hansen. You know, I'm Arden Hansen. I'm a Jehovah's Witness janitor. Okay, that's him. Oh, hi, I'm John Arden Hansen. Nice to meet you. So that's him. But at the Kingdom Hall, you didn't. It'd be like, you know. You don't mess with Arden Hansen. He'll drag you into the back or he'll go and tell the governing body. He'll go tell somebody so you wouldn't ever think of back-talking to him. But then seeing him as a janitor going with, and then he'd try and elder people that he was working for. And he'd be so disgruntling, you know, like, you know, well, you know, and he'd be saying, and I'd be like, stop trying to elder them, dad. You know, those are worldly people and they don't, they don't care. You're, you know, cause he'd be like, well, I'm an elder. So, you know, and they're like, I'm like, they don't care. you know what does that mean you know and so that's like I think that's why a lot of witnesses stick to themselves because that really brings a guy down a few pegs when he can't elder somebody at work

SPEAKER_00:

oh yeah and I would be quick to let them know like yeah I've had jobs where I've worked with and under elders and sometimes i would have to remind them gently like we aren't at the kingdom hall yeah you aren't an elder right now they don't like that but i would do it

SPEAKER_02:

yeah you're just uh you're just a stooge here at work oh there was this one have you have you worked with a lot of jehovah's witnesses throughout the years or did you still do

SPEAKER_00:

i don't anymore but

SPEAKER_02:

okay i gotta fly flying around here it's bugging me

SPEAKER_00:

yeah I worked with, you know what, that's one of the times that I really saw the hypocrisy when I was working with an elder. Oh, yeah. I'll tell you some shit he would do. Like, okay, he's an elder, right?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

We had a job where sometimes we would get like an on-call job and we had to go rush and do it. So sales, a ministry school night, and, you know, I needed to be finished at a certain time. He would send me to do, like, rush jobs. I would either be late to the meeting or I would miss the meeting. He would be one of the elders counseling me about meeting attendance. Like, that would piss me off. They're

SPEAKER_02:

always, yeah. It's like I wouldn't be in that situation if it weren't for you.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And he would be one of the ones counseling me. And that woke me up to it. And then just seeing him and how he dealt with his family and everything.

SPEAKER_02:

It's like they're Nazis. And they like to torture people. Oh,

SPEAKER_00:

yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

By being a hypocrite at them on purpose.

UNKNOWN:

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02:

And then also twisting their words. They love to twist words, twist their own words. Twist the words of the faithful slave. Like, you're twisting the words of the faithful slave. You're twisting my words. How many times have you heard that? You're twisting my words. Are you trying to twist the words of the elders? Are you twisting the words of Jehovah? All those little cult... things, but remember being scripturally crucified or scripturally indicted. Are you trying to scripturally indict me? You're scripturally indicting me. Yes. Oh, wait. God, I flashed my ring. You've been scripturally indicted.

SPEAKER_00:

This is my her ring. Yes. Apparently, it's your little ring.

UNKNOWN:

Yes.

SPEAKER_02:

You're the number one herd at this point. You're the honorary herd. I'm honorary.

SPEAKER_00:

You know what? You know what I'm proclaiming? I'm the true black herd.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, yeah, you are. Yeah, what a real. Oh, hey, hey, do you think that women's brains are 10% smaller? Well, I think women's brains are 10% smaller, but does that mean we're not as smart as men or smarter? I

SPEAKER_00:

don't think they're smaller.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, I think it's because our heads are smaller, you

SPEAKER_00:

know what I mean? I've never heard of it. And one of my followers sent me, and I was pissed.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, yeah, he says, like, women's brains are 10% smaller, so that means we're less intelligent. But he's going based upon size. You know what I mean? Size doesn't matter. Like, only to Samuel Heard does size matter. You know, leave it to him. We're like, oh, your head's smaller than mine, so that means you're stupider. You know, uh-huh. Well, something else of yours is smaller than somebody else's, and that means you're worse. Small-minded, little small. You

SPEAKER_00:

know, that pissed me off because, yeah, I guess it's not scientifically true. It's mean-spirited, and it just showed how the organization thought.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I got hit when I heard that. I was about to ask you, because you were talking about the government body, and you said faithful slave, and it made me think of something. Do you think they're the faithful slave?

SPEAKER_02:

At this point, yes. But they're my faithful slave. I made them my slave. Like, you... It depends on how you look at it. It's like, oh, no, boys, you're my slaves. You're my slaves. You're my slaves. And I enjoy picking on them. I enjoy picking on them. Because it was like, oh, God, I had a thing of panic where I was like, what if they went away? You know, like what if all of a sudden the website was gone tomorrow? There was something, I forget what it was of where I was like, well, I realized it was over. Like there was, it was like I got closure and I knew it was over. Like it was over for me. Oh, I know what it was. My channels and stuff got taken down. All of it was gone. Like my Patreon, my YouTube, it was all for a moment, all gone.

SPEAKER_03:

And

SPEAKER_02:

so I realized, I thought, of how my channels were gone, of how it would feel where the organization was gone. And I realized how sad and disappointed I would be if it went away forever. That there is a form of entertainment. Like, you know, of like... I don't know how to describe it. Of, like, that I enjoy picking on.

SPEAKER_00:

I was about to say, you wouldn't have anyone to pick on.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. I wouldn't have anything to do. Or, like, what else would I do? You know, like, even with them. It's like, oh, God, if you stopped being a witness, who would I pick on? What would I do? Where would I go? You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I understand.

UNKNOWN:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

And so, like, I need them as much as they need us and we need them. And it's okay. Like, whose carts would I crash? Whose guys' faces would I not make look stupid? You know, like, I like making them look stupid. I actually enjoy it. You know, and then I come walking up and the guy's got a big dumb grin on his face. And I'm like, I'm demonized smurf girl. What are you doing? You stupid. Like, this is what it looks like from their vantage point of me. Like, I don't have my, my phones are there, but it's like, so, you know, what do you do? You know, you're stupid. And I hate the car.

SPEAKER_00:

That's why I was scared of you when I first found you. Cause it was like, demonized Smurf girl. I approached you with caution.

SPEAKER_02:

What'd you think I was gonna do? Be a jerk?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I wasn't sure. Well, you gotta remember, though, I was just, like, I was just starting to talk to ex-Java's witnesses. I had this whole, like, stigma. And, like, I just told you why. Like, you all used to pick on me so much. when I ran that Instagram account. That's true. I see you, you know, like Smurf girl, Smurf tower, demonized Smurf girl. And I'm like, what the hell?

SPEAKER_02:

100% demonized.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm a

SPEAKER_02:

demonized apostate. I like being demonized.

SPEAKER_00:

I like your posts. And so I wanted to like, pick your brain and ask you things. But the more I talk to you, the more I talk to others. And I'm like, you know what? These are normal people. They made us scared of you all.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, we're like good people, you know? We like to have a good time. So did you have anybody crash your kingdom hall while you were still one?

SPEAKER_00:

No.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, you didn't experience it?

SPEAKER_00:

No, we would have kicked their asses. I ran a tight chip.

SPEAKER_02:

We ran into guys like you, though. I swear to God, I've seen you get all upset. I know what you look like.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm from the old school attendance. The attendants now are fluffy. I'm from attendance where they went hands-on. Those are my heroes. Yeah, those are my heroes.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh,

SPEAKER_00:

I love it because the attendants now, they said build a human shield and you move with them. I'm like, okay.

SPEAKER_02:

Let's talk over here. Oh,

SPEAKER_00:

I hate

SPEAKER_02:

it. Oh, give us some tips. So what are we actually allowed to do? Like, if you can't touch us, how long does it take for them to actually, like, call the cops?

SPEAKER_00:

If someone is being... like very disrespectful while stopping a meeting. The auditorium attendant is the one that's supposed to stop the meeting. And he instructs one of the other two attendants to call the police. And it's like you, if it becomes physical, we can defend ourselves, but we couldn't initiate.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, they wouldn't done me. I go like this. Poor Uncle Tony, what he must have thought. You know? So, okay, did you see me? There was so much that you didn't see. Like all the cart crashing and all. Oh, my God. I

SPEAKER_00:

didn't look at that stuff. Like, And I've been talking about this with some other ex-witnesses, but I did not seek apostates out. I didn't look at the material, like, you know, when I was all in. I just didn't. And that's how I know the ones who pop up on our shit are, like, the ones that are, like, on their way out. The ones who are asleep during meetings. The ones who only go to memorials.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh,

SPEAKER_00:

yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, could you tell if somebody was secretly recording you? Or did you see it? Or were we too good for

SPEAKER_00:

you to know? Remember the guy I was telling you about earlier, who they always told me to keep an eye on. But I would see him. And as soon as his hand went like that, I would leave my seat and just go stand right behind him. I don't care where he was sitting in the auditorium, I would stand by him and make him nervous as shit. It has been great, especially what I told you he was like what I was watching him for. And, you know, no way he's going to film like a kid if I'm there.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, no, we wouldn't bother filming a kid.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, but I'm saying for him, for his particular thing.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, yeah, because he was a weirdo.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, but as far as...

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, tell people about

SPEAKER_00:

that. I've never been in a congregation where apostates came when I was an adult. When I was in Chicago, a boy in Chicago, and someone came in off the street, and this is when they could go hands-on. And it was this guy came, sat on the platform and said he wanted the meeting to stop. Three huge African-American brothers picked him up off the stage and dropped him on the sidewalk. And he never came back in. Same thing at the assembly hall. I would see apostates or people off the street come in into the assembly hall on the south side of Chicago.

SPEAKER_03:

This

SPEAKER_00:

was back when I was a boy. They had attendance and then they had security. security were the ones walking around with the earpiece in their ear and they had these big tall walkie-talkies. So security would come, pick them up by the elbows, physically lift them up and their feet are dangling and carry them out, drop them on the sidewalk and come back in. And as a boy, I would be like, that's what I want to do when I grow up. And as soon as I turned 18, at this huge meeting at the district assembly, the Wednesday before the assembly started, and they were like, we can't physically touch people anymore. And I was like, dang, this is why I wanted to do it.

SPEAKER_02:

Now, see, without apostates, you wouldn't be able to do that. You know? Okay, because you know what I call it? It's called a fearon. A fearon, you see where I put a fear-induced heart on? Yeah. Those brothers, okay, how many times when a woman gets all irate, I'm doing my neck. You know, you get all that rate. You know, what are you doing? You know, and I'm in there like, you know, just calm down. You know, they know me as Vanessa. But it's like, Rose Bundy, come on, come on. You know, Vanessa, please, Vanessa. You know, they calm down. You've heard them say it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I heard it on the video, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, it's like, but Vanessa, Vanessa, please don't. And then they stand there, and they're like, you know, and they put their hands in front of her. I'm like, what am I giving you a fear on right now? Because they do. It's like, I'm a bodyguard, and I'm going to protect from Vanessa coming in, you know, because I'm like, you know. The last time, yeah, oh, man, I was screaming.

SPEAKER_00:

I would admit, you would be weird. I've only, like, one... a few years ago at the regional convention, it was a guy we had to watch. Because he was disfellowshipped. And he told the elders in whatever congregation he got disfellowshipped from, any chance I get, I'm watching the stage at regional convention. And so we had to physically follow him around. But it was like, I don't know what I would have done with a woman. I've only encountered the men of our states. You would have threw me for a loop.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, yeah. Well, and it's just like, you know, it's like then you'd know me. I'd come walking in there, people would know. And it's like, oh, no, here she comes. Like, there's no way of, like, mistaking me walking in. That's demonized Smurf girl, like, walking in the middle aisle of the... So anyway, you were...

SPEAKER_00:

Check a bag for that damn Smurf.

SPEAKER_03:

And

SPEAKER_02:

I got potions. I'm like, shh. Demons. I'm like, demon, there you go, demon. You know what, I'm pagan. By the way, I'm pagan. I'm pagan, because I'm not a

SPEAKER_00:

witness.

SPEAKER_02:

Anybody, what?

SPEAKER_00:

What does that mean?

SPEAKER_02:

To be pagan?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Not being a witness. Anybody who's not a witness is a pagan. It don't matter, right? According to them.

SPEAKER_00:

You're

SPEAKER_02:

pagan. You're pagan.

SPEAKER_00:

Pagan. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

You're pagan when you're not a witness, so I'm just pagan. It's okay when you get to... I've never been disfellowshipped, but if you get disfellowshipped... And then you leave the organization. I used to have people come and ask me, so what religion are you now? Like, did you become a different religion? Like, you're not a witness. So, like, what are you? And I'm like, yeah, I'm just pagan. You know, because it's like you're worldly. I'm just worldly. I guess I'm just pagan. I don't know. I like saying the word pagan. Like, when people ask me, I'm pagan. Pagan, pagan.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I get asked that a lot. But I'm going to do it like Curtis.

SPEAKER_02:

oh yes boom we got it got it going on

SPEAKER_00:

what are you

SPEAKER_02:

i know oh yeah it's a club you want to go out for pizza late no i don't that's gross isn't it no i was like trying to i can't even i can't even be cool i don't even know what i'm doing See what happens when you start flashing governing body gang signs? It starts to make you weird. So you were saying earlier about that guy that was on the list though, and that you had to go extra measures to watch this guy that was on the list that was secretly recording at the meeting, but he wasn't recording for an apostate reason. He was recording for a weirdo reason and he was recording kids. So the difference between tell the, tell everybody the difference between that.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. of how an

SPEAKER_02:

apostate is handled or how a person on the list is handled recording.

SPEAKER_00:

Like I was telling you earlier, that was what kind of really opened my eyes to the corruption and how crooked it is. Because the elders had to tell me certainly the people that I needed to watch and why. And so they told me him and they told me why. And I had to watch him whoever the three attendants were, that particular meeting, if he went to the restroom, we had to watch him, especially if a minor went to the restroom. We had to watch him. He would sometimes hold his phone up and record, and some of the others had seen him recording kids sometimes. So the more kids, and it's kids in our congregation, and the more they tell me, the more pissed I'm getting, and I'm like, why can't we just tell him not to come in? Like, why? And they're like, no, it's a public meeting. And, you know, we can't really tell him to stop coming to a meeting. So after they told me that, I wasn't really happy with it. About two months later, we had this huge attendance meeting, like every congregation in the Kingdom Hall, the branch, like, revamped. the attendance instructions. So we go to this two hour long meeting at the Kingdom Hall one Saturday. And part of the instruction is if someone is disruptive, if someone keeps stopping the meeting, if someone becomes violent with someone in the congregation, if someone brandishes a weapon, we can have the police call and we give the police a certain line, this verbiage, which in effect trespasses them from the kingdom hall. When the police got there, we would tell them their implied invitation has been revoked. And the police would write a trespass. So after this big attendance meeting, I go straight to my elders. And I'm like, you hear that part in the attendance meeting from the branch. They say we can trespass on, so why can't we trespass so-and-so? And it was the same song and dance. That's different. And then that's when like, something clicked up in my mind and i was like something isn't right

SPEAKER_03:

and yeah

SPEAKER_00:

yeah i'm like maybe the i've been hearing is really true like that's what you started to think

SPEAKER_02:

yeah it's true it is true you're right

SPEAKER_00:

and sadly i found out yeah it's very true

SPEAKER_02:

and what's scary is that they would allow that what he was being you know when when he's recording holding the songbook like that do you know what he was doing you know what that's a term for it he was being a penis hand cecil the back of the songbook guy have you seen the back of the songbook guy

SPEAKER_00:

with

SPEAKER_02:

the penis hand

SPEAKER_00:

no

SPEAKER_02:

oh you don't know about penis hand cecil the back of the songbook guy

SPEAKER_00:

oh it's a bunch of me with the mouse open i

SPEAKER_02:

don't I'm going to have to show you Penis Hand Cecil. The back of the songbook guy and he's got a penis for a wrist. And he's holding the songbook like this. And he's gawking like this. He's gawking like this at a kid. You actually had a guy holding the songbook and holding the camera like this? He was being Penis Hand Cecil, the back of the songbook guy. Yeah, I'll send it to you.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, you got to send me

SPEAKER_02:

that. Like, seriously, of what Mitch is talking about, the penis hand, Cecil, back of the son. So he was like this, recording a kid, being all Michael Jackson at somebody?

SPEAKER_00:

Mm-hmm. A couple of times. Where

SPEAKER_02:

is this guy? Where is this guy? Do you know where he is?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, he's where I live now.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, we need to go get him. And I want to go catch him. No, I want to catch him. Is he still doing it? Well, he would be. When's the last time you saw him do it?

SPEAKER_00:

It's been a while because he left our particular congregation and went to another one. But I saw him holding his phone up once. One time when he seen me get up because, like I said, he knew I didn't like him because something happened with us before I even found all this out. So I already didn't like him. And then I saw him. I jumped up and he turned it off. The second time, he didn't know I was behind him. I was in the foyer and it was like a bunch of glass you could see into the auditorium. So I'm standing behind him. He's in the last row and I'm standing there watching him. And he held it up, but he was trying to fuck with the auditorium attendant. The auditorium attendant said, he's just effing with you. but his screen is literally off. The screen was black, but he was messing with the auditorium attendant. Now, when I was auditorium attendant, he didn't mess with me. He knew I wanted to kick

SPEAKER_02:

his ass. Well, I want to find this guy, this Penis Hand Cecil, number two, because there's a real guy named Penis Hand Cecil here in Tucson. I got him on tape. The original Back in the Songbook guy. We got a second Back in the Songbook guy, part two, Cecil Jr. Like, seriously, I want to go. So he's what, up in Washington? I'm going to hunt that guy. No, seriously, he's going to. Dude, you watching me? You watching? You watching? I'm going to get my crew, my army. I got an army, a smurf army. Smurf, I'm the leader of the Smurf cult. I'm going to come get you, and I'm going to record you. I'm going to take care of you. What?

SPEAKER_00:

I said Smurfs in Washington.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. It's like, you know, bad boys, bad boy, you know, we're going to go and get it. You know, don't catch me riding dirty. We're going to go find him. I mean, seriously. No, we need to find him. Remember what he looks like? I

SPEAKER_00:

haven't been by a kingdom all in so long.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah? Where you get all triggered? You get all triggered? No, if they saw me and you walk in, it'd be just like, you know, I got my, you know, I got my bodyguard. Wait, are you Bert or Ernie? You be Ernie. I'm Bert. No, wait, you're Bert. I'll be Ernie.

SPEAKER_00:

You're definitely Bert.

SPEAKER_02:

Bert and Ernie come walking in. Ernie

SPEAKER_00:

is the nice, sweet one.

SPEAKER_02:

That'll be me. Oh, no, then you be Ernie. Yeah, you be Ernie. I'm Bert.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, you're Bert. When you put that hat on.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, no kidding. No, I mean, seriously. Where did you get

SPEAKER_00:

that hat from?

SPEAKER_02:

I want to get that guy. No, I want to get that guy. I mean, seriously, that's no joke. You brothers of whatever congregation that you were in that he's talking about, if I catch you, that'll be the last thing you do. If I have to get it on tape. I'm not joking. Go ask all the brothers here in Tucson how it feels to get that stupidity on tape. and everywhere else you know if i caught that if i if i have a i mean even the sisters get all weird around me you know it's like if there's a wooden spoon around You know, they don't have a wooden spoon. You know, it's like, what are you going to... I remember back in the day, they'd be like, what are you... You know, I need to discipline my child. Are you going to get all upset? And it's like, yeah. You know, sorry. You know, you don't need to... And I would carry like, you know, those little... I worked at like... It was TGA. Oh, no, I worked at IHOP briefly. And you know how IHOP has the little crayons and stuff? I would take them from, from IHOP. Even when I ate there, I would take like a placemat and like, or just the crayons and I'd take them and I'd bring them to the meeting. I got fired for doing that actually. And I'm like, you can't steal all the crayons. I'm like, I'm sorry. But to bring them to the kids at the meeting, you know, it's like, just give them a few crayons, four crayons or a wooden spoon. What's the big deal? You know?

SPEAKER_00:

Why would you get a kid a wooden spoon?

SPEAKER_02:

Well, because they're sadistic. I think my mom started the whole wooden spooning. Because demonized smart girl needed a wooden spoon, I guess.

SPEAKER_00:

You know? I got the truth book.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, you got hit with the truth book?

SPEAKER_00:

The truth book.

SPEAKER_02:

You what?

SPEAKER_00:

When I was acting bad at the kingdom house, that's what I would get a swipe with, the truth book.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, God. Well, that's a way to hit you with the truth. Smack you upside the head with the truth.

SPEAKER_00:

Walk with a limp.

SPEAKER_02:

I got hit with the truth. No, I walk with a limp.

UNKNOWN:

Wow.

SPEAKER_02:

We're shooting some lyrics there, Mitch. Wow. i want

SPEAKER_00:

to

SPEAKER_02:

circle

SPEAKER_00:

back to something

SPEAKER_02:

okay what

SPEAKER_00:

because there may be people like me who are still in but like i just want you to understand like when i was a teenager Like, I was all in, like, mentally. I was all into the organization. So, like, I truly wanted to, like, progress. So, like, I didn't feel forced to get baptized because as soon as I was baptized, I got, like, a lot of privileges. And I'm, like, 17, and I'm, like, the literature servant. So it's, like, this is what I wanted to do. Like, this is how I was raised, to just go all in.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

yeah so and like i said i talked to some weekly who who said they felt forced you know i met talked to someone they got baptized like when they were 11 and i'm like oh my goodness you don't know anything you know what i mean

SPEAKER_03:

yeah

SPEAKER_00:

but yeah i knew what i was doing nobody that's what i always liked about my parents they didn't force us even though my father wasn't the elder they never forced us or made us feel like we just had to get baptized. And the three of us, my two siblings, like the three of us got baptized at different years. My sister, she was nine. I was 16 and I think my brother was 15, I think.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

God. So you have, what, two siblings or one?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I have a sister and a brother. My older sister, she passed away last September from cancer.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm sorry. I think you told me that. It's like we've been sharing so much information with each other sometimes it's hard to remember.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And it's so

SPEAKER_02:

traumatizing too. There's so much tragic information.

SPEAKER_00:

You

SPEAKER_02:

know what I mean? Like trauma. God.

SPEAKER_00:

And

SPEAKER_02:

she passed away a witness? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

She was a I loved it because she always believed in me no matter how many times I failed. You know, because like I told you, I got this fellowship twice. I was approved two or three times. But it's like she never stopped believing in me. And she always like wouldn't let me get too down on myself. And like even when I gave talks, public talks or any part on the meeting, she would watch on Zoom and text me when I was done. So it was amazing. like not having her affected me too. But I also felt, and I mentioned this in one of my videos, like I was a PIMO, I knew I was tired of being a witness in May of 2023. Like that was the last convention I ever went to, May of 2023. But I pretty much stayed around like for my immediate family and then for my family, like my parents and brother and sister. And then she passed away in September. And I was going through a whole bunch of shit last year. And like by December, I was just like, I'm done with everything.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, that's good. You just got it over with. But it has to be awful. The circumstances that it couldn't have been just all of you just like, yeah, you know, we all woke up and we're all leaving together. It hardly ever ends up that way.

SPEAKER_00:

that's why the way of my immediate family, we, you know, we all left and my daughter, she's a lot happier because she can be herself now.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Good. Yeah. For the kids, you know, it's worth it for the kids, you know, that the kids are out at least now their lives, they can start and do, you know, what they want.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

You know, So I'm sure they're deciding what they want to do or do they already know?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, well, our son, he's already had a career, like going on four years now. Daughter just graduated and she's going to actually, she's going to go to college and major in digital forensics.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, wow. We need that. We do. We do. Like in law enforcement, any XJ dubs in law enforcement, no matter what, crime scene investigators, you know, PIs. detectives, beat cops, that it's like, no, no, wait, this is an apostate. To have a bunch of XJW beat cops where it's like when they call the trespass and it's like, oh, no, no, no, they ain't trespassing. Because we can't trespass when we are a baptized Jehovah's Witness and they're actively seeking to try and get us to come back. it's like when it's like no you got all over the internet that you're trying to get me to come back of which i would love to if you weren't a turd you know if they weren't turds Because I said that I would love to come back if you weren't a jackass and a turd. I would come back in a heartbeat. But no, you're stupid. So, you know, I'm just checking to see if you're still, you know, a tard. You know, oh, there's still a tard. Never mind. Oh, wait, you're still a tard. So, you know. You know, I can't come back yet. And sorry, just wanted to know. And you can't trespass somebody that's baptized. You know what I'm saying? Because how less or more baptized are they than you or me? Right?

SPEAKER_00:

Say it again.

SPEAKER_02:

How much more baptized are they than you or me? They're not more baptized than we are. We're all equally baptized.

SPEAKER_00:

You know,

SPEAKER_02:

like we're baptized members. And they're trying to hold us to that baptized membership. And it's like you're holding me to the baptized membership. And so that means, you know, like you're still holding me to the rules of the baptized membership. So that must mean I still got a membership since you're holding me to the membership rules of which then I should be allowed to be in there because you're holding me to the stupid membership rules, which means I'm a member. So shut up and sit down just because you don't like me doesn't mean nothing. you know like you can't hold somebody to membership rules and then not let them be in as a member

SPEAKER_00:

right i don't know it's stupid they think they can control anyone

SPEAKER_02:

yeah no kidding

SPEAKER_00:

that's why i dislike them so much

SPEAKER_02:

yeah so what does this record just for an i can't believe we've been talking for an hour i'm blind as a bath i don't know if i came off weird but I'm going to wrap it up because I can see it's been an hour. I hope people liked it.

SPEAKER_00:

That's all the questions you have?

SPEAKER_02:

No, I got more, but we can do it next time. Ask me one more. Oh, God, one more. Well, I planned it perfectly out.

SPEAKER_00:

We want to stop there and have a second. Well, what are

SPEAKER_02:

your plans for your future apostasy?

SPEAKER_00:

for my future apostasy.

SPEAKER_02:

Do you have any goals of Kingdom Hall crashing or going to the carts? You haven't done that yet, right?

SPEAKER_00:

No, I haven't planned on doing that. You know what? In my head, this is how I view it. I shunned them when I left. I changed my address. I changed my phone number. I changed my email address. It's like I just don't want to see them. at all like it brings up too many bad memories and like close to a kingdom home like i just hate it so i have not thought about like you know crashing it or going talking to anyone okay

SPEAKER_02:

so you'd rather you're the at the podcast moment because there is there's like the podcast moment of the progression of wanting to interview because it is a progression you start and then something is going to happen where you be like you know what i need to see that guy again and i just need to say something because you it's like when you talk it out then it's like no you know what i want to say something to that guy or i wanted this or i wanted that and there maybe maybe not

SPEAKER_00:

i don't know i'm not like that when i so like in any part of my life when i'm done with someone like i'm just done i drop them i don't talk to them i don't think about them and that's how i am about like that religion that is

SPEAKER_02:

let's go for one more smurf romp just one more smurf romp me and you

SPEAKER_00:

you know my thoughts on the smurfs

SPEAKER_02:

of like you know like a promo Me and Mitch, we go for one more go-round. One last

SPEAKER_00:

go-round. I would be the one arrested. You're

SPEAKER_02:

so

SPEAKER_00:

nice, Vanessa. And then they would, like, pin me to the car and taste

SPEAKER_02:

me. Oh, I was screaming. Thousands of people, when I was at the assembly this last time, I was screaming. i was like i was screaming i was like i told that i told the guy on the stage and it feels good like you know it feels good to do that but i was just like you know you shut up just shut up and screamed in front of thousands of people you

SPEAKER_00:

went on a stage

SPEAKER_02:

yeah i should i shouted at the guy on the stage and he actually shut up He was like, who? Because he was ranting and raving about pornography. And the brothers were all coming at me. And it was at this last assembly. And I was just like, no. I couldn't take it no more. And I was just like, you shut up. Shut up. Shut up. I can't take it. And then I'm like, some legends are told. Some turned to dust, some turned to gold, but you'll remember me for centuries. And then I was thinking, shut the fuck up. Shut the, you shut the fuck up. And I just ran out of there. Well, I marched out of there.

SPEAKER_00:

And

SPEAKER_02:

that felt good. I can't wait to do it again. Cause, cause I didn't get it on tape, but it was on the live feed and it was in front of the whole district convention in Tucson on July 4th. So it was an independence day.

UNKNOWN:

Wow.

SPEAKER_02:

It was insane. I was hoping it would make the news or something.

SPEAKER_00:

I remember you filmed and posted it, like you being there. But yeah, I didn't know you actually went batshit on them.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, yeah. It was two days of festivities. I made them uncomfortable for two whole days. Like all weekend. I'm sure they were wondering if I was going to show up on Saturday. I didn't. It was for Friday and Sunday. I

SPEAKER_00:

kept watching the one video. You just made me laugh because you're approaching the two attendants at the door and the look on their face.

SPEAKER_02:

I was just like, but calm down. It's like, yeah, you know,

SPEAKER_00:

your little blue

SPEAKER_02:

eyes.

SPEAKER_00:

some may know you around

SPEAKER_02:

there oh do you mean the recording of ruben no

SPEAKER_00:

no no i don't know it was two attendants at the door you were approaching but i'm saying i would imagine they know you around the area you live like to be on the lookout for you

SPEAKER_02:

oh yeah they they know me for years like they've known me all here since 1986. like this is 86. and they know me and some of them let it slide because they know just let me go if you don't let me go it's gonna end up bad i'm gonna end up loud it's gonna be embarrassing just let it go and let her walk around and shut up and they don't they should know better

SPEAKER_00:

so you you went alone could you could you sense like some attendants were like tailing you

SPEAKER_02:

At first, everyone knew. I tweeted it out and I said, I'm recording the crime scene because I needed to record the assembly of where I was assaulted. I had to record the actual crime scene, which I did. And I'm like, I need to record the crime scene, show some respect. And everyone who wasn't related to me showed me respect. Showed me respect.

SPEAKER_00:

It

SPEAKER_02:

was my offenders that did not show me respect. It was my relative and my former best man at my wedding did not show me respect. And Scott Stark and Ron Souther, you didn't show me respect. Everyone else showed me respect. You two turd buckets should know to show me respect. You know what I mean? Like, I've known them forever. You know, these are Jehovah's Witnesses.

SPEAKER_00:

How did they not respect you?

SPEAKER_02:

Um, they were, they were like questioning my motives. of which it's like, well, I don't know what would be my motive. You were best man at my wedding when I was 16 years old. What would my motive be for me being here at the assembly? Scott Stark. And then Ron Selders, same thing, where his cousin and me and, you know, Kelly were both married at 16. And Kelly, you know, it's like, oh, Ron, what would be my motive for being here at the assembly? Knowing what happened you should shut up look down at the ground bow and nod and say your highness and shut up because he's my cousin-in-law and that he should know better and he should just shut up and leave me alone since we're related not get his goons coming at me when it's like you know the dirt I have on that fool I

SPEAKER_00:

would imagine you freaked him

SPEAKER_02:

out Well, and then we were standing at the escalator. There was like 30 of them. 30. And they all swore. They're swarming me towards the door to leave.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that's the body shield I was telling you about.

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What?

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That's the body shield I was telling you about.

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Yeah, yeah.

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They have to guide you.

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Yeah, well, I got a body shield. You want a chest bump? I'll chest bump you in the next week. So, you know... Smart girl can just bump you hard. So anyway, they were trying to herd me towards the doors. And so the escalators were like this. And so all the brothers were around the escalator up above. So the escalator, you know, so they were trying to get me out. And my cousin Ron is the one leading the charge. And so in front of the escalators, I was like, Ron Souther is related to Demonized Smurf Girl. Like, Ron, you're related to Demonized Smurf Girl. You know, you think you're a bigwig in the organization? It's because he's related to Demonized Smurf Girl, and if he thinks he's a bigwig, I can bring him down a few pegs, because the only reason why he thinks he's a bigshot is because he's related to me. He'd be nobody. He would be a nobody person if he was not related to me. You know what I'm saying? I'm big time in the organization. Nobody can ever undo that. And big time in the apostate community. And he is only who he thinks he is because of me. If I was not me, he would be a zero. You know, just a big zero. And Scott, whoops, my thing is going dead. Scott Stark would be a zero, too, if he hadn't have been best man at my 16-year-old wedding. And so that's a perfect setup for him to take a fall, you know. Like, you think you're somebody? You think you're somebody in the organization? Because, you know, you're only somebody because you knew me, because I put you there, because of that one, I, you know. They'll be real, you know, this is just getting me all upset. Getting

SPEAKER_00:

all worked up. This

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has been a good talk, though.

SPEAKER_00:

It has. It has. Both of us, we have more to ask each other, but this was a good start for me as well.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. We're going to delve into it real deep. It's like a precursor of starting a dialogue, of having a vlog of where we really dig deep, where people now know your history. Because it's complicated. It's going to take a long time for each one of us to delve into our psyches of what was really done to us and what they're doing and

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what the

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problem is.

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You know what I like about us? What? We were in the same cult, but we see it from two different viewpoints. You had a lot of hurt and pain. Like I told you earlier today, people who failed you, who should have been there for you. Whereas I, it was my life. I loved it. I loved doing what I was doing. I think it'll be I think it'll work out well for our listeners and viewers. Well, yeah. Both sides of

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it. You're the perfect representation of the Meathead Brothers that I've been fighting with this whole time.

SPEAKER_00:

Wow.

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No, it's perfect. It's like, do you know what you put me through, Mitch? Put me through.

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No one's my

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friend.

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Body shield. I

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know, it's just you. Whatever. Just, okay, it's what I want to do. When Mitch was a servant, was a ministerial servant, you know what I wanted to do to you? This. This.

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And this. Oh my goodness, y'all treated me so bad when I had that Instagram account.

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Good thing you're in the other

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room.

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Now,

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now, I am an honorary Samuel Heard representative.

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Yep.

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wonder twins

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twins activate

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dark light

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yep ebony and ivory can i be ebony i don't want to be ivory every time

SPEAKER_00:

honestly honestly yeah i prefer that my daughters say i'm the lightest black man she knows

SPEAKER_02:

yeah well okay so is that at the end of the show now should we say goodbye

SPEAKER_00:

yeah yeah right do you have anything you want to uh plug before we leave

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just all of our channels subscribe to every single one of them like six or seven times like everything don't miss a thing

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yeah

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you have xjw smurf girl rose bundy

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there you go

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and uh mitch what is your xjw

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yeah it's just uh is uh most of my social media and media handles xjw exj dub don't forget about what we just did today. We made YouTube and TikTok for our show. You can find us, the XJW Network show on YouTube and TikTok.

SPEAKER_02:

This

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is about to be huge. Thank you. It's

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going to be good.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm glad I stopped being afraid of you and talked to you that one day.

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i know i'm harmless

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unless you

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get on my bad side

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riding a wild beast that scared me

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i am really i'm coming in i'm coming in hot

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oh boy

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you gotta do it we gotta do it oh i hate it

SPEAKER_00:

thank you all for tuning in thank you for asking me those questions they were great like a great way to start

SPEAKER_02:

thank

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you to know me so i appreciate it

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This is great. And thanks for wearing your ring. We can do this on a

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regular basis. Every time. I feel like, I feel like saying,

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Oh, Oh, are you going to stay? Okay. Well, thanks a lot, everybody. It was good to see you. We'll see you again real soon on the XJW network show with Smurf girl and Mitch.

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I love it. Talk to you all later.

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Bye.