Watchtower After Dark with Smurf Girl & Mitch
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Watchtower After Dark with Smurf Girl & Mitch
Ep. 05 (audio only): WATCHTOWER AFTER DARK - ROSE BUNDY REACTION TO COLLEGE NEW LIGHT - EXJW
Welcome Watchtower After Dark with Rose Bundy. In episode 5 Rose reacts to the governing body update #5 for 2025. This "new light": higher education aka college. For decades it's been a huge no-no for them. Rose gives an emotional reaction to it, and gives us a little tea on Mark Sanderson!
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SPEAKER_00:I'm a nice smirk girl of the Jehovah's Witnesses. It's Watchtower After Dark. I'm Rose Bundy, and this is my co-host, Mitch. Say hey, Mitch.
SPEAKER_01:Hello, everybody.
SPEAKER_00:It's nice to see everybody. Oh, my God. Mitch, I have my chunky sweater on. Chunky sweater. Because we're going to be wise. We had spiritual food, major spiritual food this morning. Oh, recovery body update number five. That's five times the spiritual food as we're used to.
SPEAKER_01:I feel blessed.
SPEAKER_00:I know. And it was, oh my God, it was chalkboard David. David Splane.
UNKNOWN:David Splane.
SPEAKER_00:Uncle Kermit the Frog Legsplain. Oh, my God. You know, hey, Uncle Kermit, because I know he's watching. Hey, I miss you. I
SPEAKER_01:miss him. He just seemed tired.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah. You know, and he's from Breckenridge, Minnesota. That's how I know him is he was his like home congregation was Breckenridge, Minnesota. And so back in the day, he had a chalkboard. That's why I call him Chalkboard David.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, my goodness.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, he upgraded from chalkboard. Oh, you remember the Circuit Overseer that would always do the slides? Back in the 70s and 80s, he'd do slides? That was him. Wow. He was the one. He'd always do it. Oh, Brother Splane and his slideshow. for being a circuit overseer. He was famous for those slides. And then he'd talk into them, you know, well, this is when we went, you know. So yeah, I wanted him so bad to like me. I wanted to play with his chalkboard, you know. Can I clean your eraser's chalkboard, David, please? You know.
UNKNOWN:Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_00:yeah i've got so i got a soft spot we used to go for all you can eat crap or all you can eat frog legs with him kelly's restaurant uncle kermit the frog legs plane you know kelly's restaurant and all you can eat frog legs he knows see he knows
SPEAKER_01:oh my goodness you never talk to you uh little spliny spleen
SPEAKER_00:yeah we're in the same home congregation breckenridge Gary Bro is from Minot, North Dakota.
UNKNOWN:Oh.
SPEAKER_00:So, yeah, from Minot and Breckenridge and, you know, all those little Midwest towns and stuff where, you know, good old boys club when you get one and you get another.
SPEAKER_01:Now that you're saying Bro, I can see him coming from there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah. From Minot, North Dakota. And then, like, you know, it's like old Madison and, you know, Sisseton and Maynard. Yeah. you know sioux falls fargo all around fargo north dakota area you know i
SPEAKER_01:love that movie fargo
SPEAKER_00:oh that that's the witnesses in a nutshell it is
SPEAKER_01:wow
SPEAKER_00:because you know you know that bag in fargo with the million bucks
SPEAKER_01:yeah
SPEAKER_00:that's a circuit overseer bag And do you know every CO bag fits a million dollars in$100 bundles perfectly all the way to the top? If you had a million in cash.
SPEAKER_01:I can see
SPEAKER_00:that. Yeah, that's a Circa Doce bag. Who else uses a bag like that? Back then, Fargo time? I mean, well, other than a stupid Jehovah's Witness, did anyone else use those type of bags? No.
UNKNOWN:No.
SPEAKER_00:It was a specialty item.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I used to roll it on.
SPEAKER_00:So anyway, okay, number five. So, okay, if he, just like with Stephen Lett, maybe he'll, hopefully he'll do the broadcast and he'll do, you know, Stephen Lett did it straight across the board. So maybe, you know, Uncle Spleen will do it, you know. I kind of have my, I don't know, this is Uncle Tony's chunky sweater, because he wants to be all chunky like Raymond Franz. Remember Raymond Franz being all chunky? And he was all smart. Crisis of conscience part two. Uncle Tony listened right along with, I'm sure he was like, Because you know Uncle Tony had to have flipped out over today's broadcast.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:When he's like, he was quoting the Unabomber, going, you know, the better the college, the worse the education. That's exactly what Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, said. You know, so he's quoting the Unabomber. And after how many years? You know. That's
SPEAKER_01:all he did it.
SPEAKER_00:No, just that college has been frowned upon.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. For decades.
SPEAKER_00:It's a long time. Because I know, you know, with college got frowned upon in the 70s, you know,
SPEAKER_01:all
SPEAKER_00:the serial killing involving colleges.
SPEAKER_01:Especially like when we were teens, they really, really, they told us to get a trade.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, building kingdom halls
SPEAKER_01:was your dream. They were like going to carpentry or plumbing. But like you said, it was to build kingdom halls.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, learn how to print magazines. That's all you need. Just print magazines. You'll be good. You know? Learn how to crank. Do mops. You know?
SPEAKER_01:I must say, people... asked me what did I think was going to be next. College slipped my mind. I didn't even think about college. I was saying birthday.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah, I was thinking, I wasn't expecting anything. Like, was I expecting anything? I don't know. I'm just too mad. Like, you know, talk about reparations. You know, people talk about, you know, reparations. We deserve, what are the reparations of, because I know even my stepdad, Arden Hansen, gave up a college baseball career and a scholarship to Special Pioneer and stuff for 75. Wow. So, and he, you know, he could pitch like nobody's business. And so even he, who would be 71, the 71-year-old generation gave up college. And then our generation, because we were like the same age, gave it up. Then there would be my child is in her 20s. And so she did not because she was, you know, at that point not raised a witness. But, you know, I know some people's has. So that's at least three generations in my family that I know of other cousins who have given it up to. Of like, you know what I think they're doing? What they're trying to do?
SPEAKER_01:What?
SPEAKER_00:They're trying to push as many people over the edge as humanly possible.
SPEAKER_01:In what way do you mean?
SPEAKER_00:Well, I know with Arden Hansen, beards is enough. Okay. Like, allowing beards is the same as the governing body saying all the brothers are now, you know, required to wear a skinny suit. Arden Hansen was the number one guy that was so against beards. Beards is pagan. Beards is pagan. It's pagan. It's pagan. It's Like the reason why I married worldly is because he'd be like beards is pagan and even even goatees was an issue. And so I know with Arden Hansen of what could I know what said Uncle Brent off. So we're talking about Uncle Brent snapped. What would then make the next one snap? What would make the next one snap? Beards would make them snap. The pants would make it be like, what are you doing? What are you doing? That makes me breathlessly scared. Because I know how, like, if you hear something that your relationship broke with your family member because of something specific, which would be facial hair to begin with. and me wearing pants to the meeting, that that was a deal breaker of... It was a deal breaker and that was initially why I stopped going to the meetings.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_00:And so for Demonized Smurf Girl, with my stepdad then hearing and knowing that that was the reason why, is because it's like college... Um... beards and pants and stuff was why we will never speak to each other again. Why mom's dead. Why Clyde and Jessica and the baby are dead. Why a lot of people are dead is because of those things. Can you imagine to like the no blood? Like they're just undoing everything. Like seriously, Mitch, when is it? When, when will it stop? Are they going to travel all the way down to the cross and make it a cross too? Like how many changes? It's like they're just ticking the boxes. Okay, now we're undoing the witnesses and they're going to just what? When does it stop until it's just Catholicism at some point? You know what I mean? I get you. Because at some point with enough changes, it's going to be the same as Catholicism if they don't, you know what I mean? Where it won't even be the Jehovah's Witnesses anymore. I
SPEAKER_01:think the only thing they will keep are the things that involve them with the horrific CSA cases. They won't change any of those rules. Like the two-week and shit and all that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I've
SPEAKER_01:seen them... Like, what I had the last issue, like, birthdays, holidays... Oh,
SPEAKER_00:that's the whole claim to fame, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:There's no... Sorry, it hit me hard. Because it's like, that makes me angry. Because what would your, you know, did you give up college? Me too. And I had, I don't know, I was a member of Mensa. I graduated at 15.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:and then was married at 16 because I wanted to go to college. And he's like, you know, my stepdad was like, well, if you want to go to college, then you better, you better get out on your own. And so, cause I graduated at 15 and I needed to start college that very next thing, you know, within the year. And so I was going to just marry the first idiot that said yes. which was a scandal. And I was then going to go and start. And then all of a sudden, because I was married, the scholarship didn't apply because it was towards someone saying, you know, like the stipulations or I was probably lied to for some reason. I had to get married to do my scholarship. Then when I went to go do my scholarship, then because I was married, it was a scholarship to live on campus and stuff. And being a married person, that was not what the scholarship was all about. It didn't accept someone who was married. And so, like, seriously, I almost went Uncle Brent. Like, I mean, seriously, it's like I got married so that I could go to college and do my scholarship and then come to find out it, like, invalidated it for some reason. Or at least that's what I was told. Because it was, like, full-on room and board in the dorm room. everything and oh like seriously if i knew that i wouldn't go to jail for just windmill arming just a bunch of just you know i'm sorry pardon me
SPEAKER_01:oh my goodness
SPEAKER_00:like you know like just just That's for you, Mark Sanders.
SPEAKER_01:That pissed a lot of people off. Like I said, it wasn't on my radar in college, but today I heard a lot of people hinting about it. And I mean, they have valid points, but yeah, they messed up a lot of lives. Yeah,
SPEAKER_00:my life would have been so different. So different. So different. God, so different. I don't, like so different. God, I wish I could just punch one of them in the face. Just really just punch and
SPEAKER_01:punch.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, that's life changing.
SPEAKER_01:I feel bad for people of my parents' age. They gave up a lot and lived very simple because that's what they were telling them to do. Because the end is right around the corner. You don't need school. You don't need higher education. And you'll be around bad association and all that crap. We had association each and every day of our lives.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's like every day was the last day of their life and they didn't even care if they woke up the next day. And in fact, when witnesses do wake up the next day, they're disappointed. It was a very, a very, you know. life detrimental situation where it was like, as soon as you, it's like what the Jehovah's Witnesses is that they view the sooner you pass away, the sooner paradise comes. So come on, everybody, let's all pass away as fast as humanly possible. Like maybe, you know, no blood transfusion, you know, no transplants, no this, no that. Let's just hamper so that we can all pass away as soon as we all possibly can And then paradise will come. It's like, okay, go for it. Go for it. You know, you're living like every day is your last day. You know, very Jonestown existence.
SPEAKER_01:That's how they used to sell it, too. They used to say, you know, when you pass away, you're just sleeping. And it's like in the blink of an eye, you'll be resurrected. You won't even know you're dead. You know, that's how they used to spin it.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah. Yeah, I remember being in the hospital and refusing certain things, you know. And it's like, no, I'll just wake up in paradise. It'll be okay. It'll be okay. I'm not afraid. Aren't you afraid? No, no, no, I'm not afraid. It's like,
SPEAKER_01:ooh. I've just been angry all day.
SPEAKER_00:You've been what?
SPEAKER_01:Angry all day. They make me so mad. I
SPEAKER_00:know,
SPEAKER_01:me too. much of it as i could stomach but i hate hearing their voices you know but yeah they messed up so many lives
SPEAKER_00:i know they must really hate people like they must really really hate the the jehovah's witnesses you know what i mean because of doing that i would at this at this point Of me, I would do that to the Jehovah's Witnesses only because I'm so angry that I would. I would do it on purpose because I hate them all so much that I would rip away college, then wait until, you know, and then just, okay, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, you know, to be a jerk. Like, I would do that to be a jerk. I would discern beat to them at this point. Like right now I would do that to be a jerk. And so. In reality, it's like, ha-ha, oh, how many, you know, I know all my ex-friends who are still Jehovah's Witnesses, ha-ha-ha. I bet you really would have wished to have gone to college and made something of yourself and been like me and Mitch, you know, you on this side. Me and Mitch, you wanted to be like me and him where you're all cool and stuff. Now it's too late and you're too old and you're too uneducated and homeschooled and ha-ha. You know chain pick up the pieces you won't be able to you know And that's mean but There's some oh like Darryl Darryl Wahlberg who has his own YouTube channel It's like hey Darryl, you can finally get an education there buddy. You can finally get educated You want to go get educated away? You're like 70 too late. Haha.
UNKNOWN:Oh
SPEAKER_00:You know, hey, why don't you go back to college? You probably don't even know how to take an SAT, do you? Stupid Darryl Wahlberg.
SPEAKER_01:Quick question. It made me think of it because you said you date witnesses. Do any bother you online, any active Jehovah's Witnesses?
SPEAKER_00:No, they know better. They're scared to death of me. They do not mess with demonized smartphones. Never. Not, not, not, not, never. Never. They know better. Yeah, because it's funny because there was a lot and they know better. Like I'll get like 500 views on something and like three comments of people that I actually know. And then I'm like, oh yeah, the rest are like trolling witnesses and they just want to see, but I don't want to say anything because, you know, she's like demonized. Oh, for one, also, what's his name? Colin Plummer. I
SPEAKER_01:did
SPEAKER_00:some interviews with him a while back, like maybe a year, a little bit more ago. And he got disfellowshipped for getting caught doing videos with me. And so, yeah, anyone who gets caught commenting or anything with me who's still a witness, that's automatic disfellowshipping offense. You'll be drug into the library if they find out you've been talking to me. So nobody is too scared to comment, which means a lot that those are all active Jehovah's Witnesses and they know I'm like, you know, enemy number one, but... I'm so in love with Mark Sanderson, though. I don't think they should see me as an enemy. He's my soulmate. He's my soulmate.
SPEAKER_01:I don't get it.
SPEAKER_00:No, there's something studly about what he did. It's personal. It's personal. For my ex to do that, that's more than any ex has ever done for me. in my opinion you know where it's like known you know where it's like oh you know because people were like oh my god oh my god you know um Him being all Papa Smurf up there. Because you know that if he, you know, knowing, it's like he would have went out of his way to be the least Papa Smurf as possible, but he could not have been more Papa Smurf if he tried. Like, what more could he have done, you know?
SPEAKER_01:So what did he do?
SPEAKER_00:When he grew the beard.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, you mean when he grew the beard.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, when he grew the beard and then he was all red, white, and blue tie and his little chubby suit. He's all stiff and awkward. You know? No, Uncle Tony's got some wise words. He's like, no. You need to grow some balls. You need to grow some balls, Mark Sanderson. That's what it is.
SPEAKER_01:I posted Uncle Tony to me.
SPEAKER_00:Oh yeah, what did you post? I think I saw it, but
SPEAKER_01:what did you post? I just said this is in case any active witnesses come to me saying we could have went to college at any time. I said this was 2015, how they stood. And yeah, Uncle Tony was pretty, pretty adamantly against college.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's like they removed my stepdad from the governing body. Everything he stood for. The pants and this and that. I don't know what they're doing. Like, it's mind-blowing, and I wish I could not think about it ever again. But because it's so shocking, like, I don't know if this is just like, oh, you know, I think everybody's all used to the changes, maybe. But for me, it's like, with each change, it's another brick of Watchtower being destroyed.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And at some point, what I said is that there's going to be no difference between the Witnesses and every other religion on the face of the planet.
SPEAKER_01:They say it's pure worship, though. It's pure
SPEAKER_00:worship. What is pure worship, you know? Like what? Oh, man. Pure worship. That seems like a conundrum. you know when yeah it seems like a conundrum to me i don't i don't worship anything look at you know i don't
SPEAKER_01:know do you think they are trying to keep members because they're losing so many members and they want to keep the money
SPEAKER_00:i think they're just trying not to go to jail forever I think that this is their last ditch effort of what my investigators are looking into and my lawyers are looking into. Like, I'm going to say to you, brothers, you know, when I come to you, when my guys, when we get our paperwork together and they come to you with a settlement, the best thing is, is you just shut up and open your wallet. You know? um like you know you just just bend over open wide and let my foot slide in you know they're used they're used to me this i've always been this way like i've
SPEAKER_01:always
SPEAKER_00:been You know, it was like I think with the governing body, they tried to pull like a Rutherford kind of hostile takeover. And it's like, you don't hostily take over from Demon Eye Smurf Girl. You know, from the Smurf. You don't hostily take over my organization from the Smurf. You know, Smurf doesn't do it. You know, I don't. You can look on the screen. You can look on the TV. You can listen to the radio and know that Smurf doesn't play that way. Never have I. You know, and for them to, you know... Like, you know, I know that they don't like to watch like R-rated movies and stuff, but it's like, boys, you need to start watching a little Breaking Bad, you know, because it's getting real Breaking Bad at the Kingdom Hall. And that is, you know, indeed what was going on. And, you know, because people say, you know, oh, I, you know, you know, you make Breaking Bad references. Well, why wouldn't Smurf Girl do that when that's the most logical, natural thing for me to do? You know, I send my snacks to do things even now.
SPEAKER_01:Explain the Breaking Bad for those who might not know.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah, we're Heisenberg. Heisenberg. Yeah, you know, a little Heisenberg organization going on in there. You know, if witnesses knew, because, like, okay, when you left, what was it that made you leave? What was it that you saw you were like, oh, hell no, I got to get out?
SPEAKER_01:I was tired of, like, today, things changing that they've been so adamant about for decades, and then I was tired of the hypocrisy.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Oh, yeah, that'll be our drinking word, hypocrite. Hypocrite.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I was fed up. I first started turning it in May of 2023, and it just got worse and worse. Yeah. Man, I can't stand the organization. I can't stand most of the witnesses because they're arrogant, rude, hypocrites. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Oh, hypocrite.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah,
SPEAKER_00:being a hypocrite is a big, giant deal for me, too. Like, you know, just being a big, giant crit. You know, like, I don't like being a hypocrite. But, you know, it couldn't have happened to a better group of people, though, or, like, a worse group of people. Like... I had put, like right when you were leaving, I was like, get out now or you're not getting out ever. I think the people that are left, if they haven't left by now, they don't deserve it. Like they don't.
SPEAKER_01:They're hanging on to strings. There's nothing left. How much longer do you think they can stay their head above water, that organization?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, forever.
SPEAKER_01:Because
SPEAKER_00:I see how they're making money. They make money over more than just donations.
SPEAKER_01:Like,
SPEAKER_00:you know, movie-making ventures, a lot. See, this is the one thing that irritates me, is that a lot of the apostate movies that we see, they're produced by Watchtower. They're movies that are based upon judicial files, people's actual stories, merch that apostates buy. They're buying that merch from Washtar because it's Washtar copywritten stuff. When they're watching certain videos on YouTube, like Lloyd Evans type of channels, that money goes back. you know, a portion of it goes back to Fund Watchtower. Some of it 100%. So they're making revenue off of YouTube videos, merch, you know, movies that they're making, even books, even books. Those will be Watchtower published books where people might think, oh, no, it's like, oh, that's just some ghostwriter from the writing department that, you know, They're getting a cut back. And with the apostasy being the way that it is booming, they're making more money now than they ever have before. You know, just think if they invest in TikTok. They invest in Netflix and HBO and they're making movies. The reason why they're invested in HBO is they make movies. You know? They're the top one for making Lifetime movies. I wouldn't doubt that those Lifetime movies are 100% witnesses. Every time. You know?
SPEAKER_01:Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_00:Because it's like, I used to be addicted to those Lifetime movies.
SPEAKER_01:Why?
SPEAKER_00:I'd be like, it's just like at the Kingdom Hall. I swear to God, this is Sister So-and-so. You know? I bet you. Hypocrite. Hypocrite.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, you said hypocrite.
SPEAKER_00:And so did you. But there are certain aspects of myself. I wouldn't be such a fighter if it wasn't for what I went through. Like, I actually appreciate as long as it works out okay. I just want to settle. I would like to fight, but I'm just so exhausted at this point. That it's like, I just, you know, agree to disagree and settle. And I just want to go and be quiet forever. You know, I will fight.
SPEAKER_01:Will you be quiet?
SPEAKER_00:I think I could be. And just, yeah, I want, yeah. I wonder, would I be able to just be quiet for the rest of my life? And, you know, because people want to know what happened. And I also hold it back where it's like, oh, the brothers know exactly what truth I could tell. And it's like, you know, do you want that to go there, brothers? You know, and there's, you know, certain shockers that it's like they would never be able to recover. I don't even want to go there, but... You know, at some point, when does some, when would the, at what point does the Jehovah's Witnesses say, hey, you know what, we really did do her wrong and we need to do the right thing because, boy, that's horrible. Like, how bad does it have to be that, you know, I mean, how bad, you know, nine little pregnant women getting chopped up with a machete because of all of this and they're not just going to say, hey, we want to, you know, just give you a little something, something to make your life easier. Well, I can't wait for them to know what this feels like. Seriously, can't wait.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I don't see them ever apologizing. They're too arrogant.
SPEAKER_00:And what hurts the worst is that I know these men. They were my heart. I helped choose them as to who... You know, when people would ask, so what brother do you think would make a good, you know, that it's like, I remember putting in a good word for these brothers to be on the body as a young girl. I'm sorry. That... if anything were to happen, then I would feel safe if those brothers were on the body. And that's why I know them all is because I put in a good word for them being demonized smurf girl, you know, of who I thought I could trust and who I cared for. And so knowing that they're there because I put in a good word and then they're just gonna like what, you know, hostilely take over and That's what makes it worse. Wow. You know, and it's like, I mean, and I almost married Mark Sanderson years ago. Like, you know. What? What?
SPEAKER_01:You never told me that.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah, that's why I do what I do directed towards him.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait,
SPEAKER_00:wait. What? What?
SPEAKER_01:All we've talked about, and you never mentioned that to me.
SPEAKER_00:I thought you knew. Because, well, I keep asking you,
SPEAKER_01:I'm asking you, like, why do you do this to him? Okay, now I need to know the story.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, that's part of what you want to know? See, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah,
SPEAKER_00:we had a thing. Like, we had a thing. We had a thing. It's embarrassing. I don't want to do it over Zoom. No, but we had a thing. You
SPEAKER_01:don't have to give me data. This is new to me.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, okay. Yeah, no, we had a thing. Mark, we had a thing. And I don't even necessarily remember, you know, It had to do with me going to college, wanting also to eventually have a baby, of which, you know, if you go into the circuit work, Dan, which is what he wanted, was doing, getting into the circuit work. It's like, oh, well, you know, like we discussed it, you know, going into the circuit work, we wouldn't be able to have a baby. And I, I wanted to be able to have at least one, you know, and that was like a deal breaker. Um, and there was just a lot of people all involved, you know, just, you know, a lot of people involved and, um, He was my uncle Jeremy's best friend. Cause they're like around the same age within like a couple of years of each other, like maybe three years of each other. And Mark's only seven years older than me. So it's, I mean, you know, I think about, so he was best friends with uncle Jeremy and that's how I knew him. And Ah, I try, like we tried. You know when you try to like somebody because he's best friends with your brother, he's best friends with your uncle, he's best friends, everybody loved him. Mom loved him, my stepdad loved him, grandma and grandpa loved him. Why don't you, why are you interested in Mark? Why don't you, and I was just like, Mark, you know, I don't want to be interested in Mark. He's like Uncle Jeremy. You know, he was like an Uncle Jeremy to me. Uncle Jeremy's only three years older than me, by the way. So it would be me, Uncle Jeremy, then Mark Sanderson. So he was just Uncle Jeremy's friend. They even lived together for a while in Grandma and Grandpa's trailer. And so I tried to date him because everybody in the family loved him. But him... he looked without a beard. He looks just like uncle Jeremy. Like, you know what I mean? Just like uncle Jeremy. And that's like a no. So I was like, that was, that was just like a no, but he was such a sweetheart. And he was just, his little heart was on his sleeve. Like I'm Mark Sanderson with my little heart on my sleeve, you know? And we even partook together. Cause he was partaking really young. He would have been, I don't know. 24 he partook young and so he's like i think it was the first he goes i think i want to partake at the memorial i'm like me too let's partake together well i did it as an apostate and he did it as a believer as like a crash in the memorial and i was like So we both partook, but I did it as an apostate, and he did it as like him thinking he was faithful slave. And I'm like, are you shitting? I remember looking at him and saying, are you shitting me, Mark? You're 24. No, I think I'm anointed with Holy Spirit. I'm like, you're anointed with Holy Shit is what you are. Just Holy Shit up to your head. But he really thought he was of the anointed. And I did it as an apostate because I thought he was doing it as an apostate. I was like, you're not doing this as, no. And he got all offended. And then he called, well, that was how we broke up. He called me worldly. He's like, you're teetering on the precipice of being a full-blown apostate. partaking as a statement and trying to stick it to your family and this and that. You shouldn't be using partaking at the memorial as a symbol of defiance against your parents. I'm like, shut up, Mark. And so then we never spoke again. When I partook as an apostate and he partook as anointed, that was when it was over. I think we tried one last time, and then I then real quick married somebody else. So we tried. We definitely tried, but he would have needed to grow a beard. And now I think he's the cutest thing I've ever seen in my entire life. Wow. You know. no i mean i mean it too i'm not joking i think he's adorable i
SPEAKER_01:don't know what you we're gonna have to check those eyeglasses why i
SPEAKER_00:don't even know what to
SPEAKER_01:say wow
SPEAKER_00:no beauty and no he used to say that all the time beauty is in the eye of the beholder And I thought he was lying, but no, that, you know. Beauty is in the eye of, like, 11, no, I'm trying to think of, like, 10 figures. 11, 12 figures. Then he'll be the sexiest man alive, depending on how many zeros are on that check.
UNKNOWN:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Next, you're going to tell me you like Brother Loche.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, Garrett Loche. Garrett Loche. Meow. My grandpa would ask. He used to go, meow. I'm Garrett Loche. I'm Brother Loche. Meow. That silky hair. Meow. Silky like a cat. No, Garrett Loche. Garrett Loche is something else. You meet him in person. Garrett Loche.
SPEAKER_01:What about... Jeffrey, what do you think about him?
SPEAKER_00:Jeffrey Epstein?
SPEAKER_01:No, Jackson.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, Jeffrey. Mr. Luau. He went to one of my Luau's. Like, there's a video. I'm pretty sure that's my Luau that he's at dancing at. Or, you know, there was another one. I was known for Luau parties. And, you know, he... Jeffrey Jackson was the first guy that I know of, like in our congregation, to grow a goatee. He was known as Jeffrey the Goatee Jackson. He grew a goatee in like maybe 92, 93. He briefly grew a goatee in defiance. And so he was one... that had grown facial hair in the past. It was all like mustaches. The mustache 80s, we called it. Growing mustaches in like
SPEAKER_01:1989.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's what it was. And there was a bunch of them that grew mustaches. Mark grew a mustache. Jeffrey Jackson grew a goatee. Like this was all from like the lake in 1989 1990 19 all the way to like 93 that I know of of brothers when they were younger In their 20s trying to grow facial hair and now here they are in their 50s and 60s of wanting to grow a mustache in the 80s and And now here we are, 2025, and it's like, well, now what's the point? You're finally sexy? It only took you, like, it only took you, like, forever.
SPEAKER_01:What about the newer ones, like Brother Cook?
SPEAKER_00:I don't give a crap.
SPEAKER_01:Isn't it weird to me? I don't know. The three new ones just seem weird. Cook, Fleagle, and what's the other name? Winder or something? I don't know.
SPEAKER_00:I think Fleagle's from the St. Patrick Kingdom Hall here in Tucson. I remember Fleagle. We called it the Leprechaun Hall. And he always would wear that green, because we would tease him about that green suit he wore. And he'd wear a green suit, and we'd say, oh, Fleagle from the St. Patrick Kingdom Hall here in Tucson, the little leprechaun boy. So I don't know. You know, that's where I remember him from. But, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Hey, in Arizona, I wanted to ask you this. Have you heard about elders there in that state being kind of aggressive with like inactive witnesses or ex-witnesses?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, the aggressive in Tucson?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Yeah. In Arizona. Have you heard anything about that?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, they're aggressive towards me. They left a magazine out by my car. Like right by the door. Yeah, they're gangster. They're gangster. They're very breaking bad about it. They will, like I got the triangle window of my car busted. And then they left a magazine by my driver's side door. And they're ringing the doorbell. And it's like if you know where I live, if I catch you on my property, I will grab you by the ankles, you know, tell you, pull you up, and I will pop you open like a pinata. Like, you know, it would be like, hey, everybody, it's Jehovah's Witness, you know, Halloween where we, you know. We get to see what's inside a witness like a pinata real quick. No, because they left it right on the side of my, you know, right by my driver's side door on the ground. They left the magazine. I don't play that. Like, seriously, you know, I think it's like maybe they're trying, they're thinking they can get away with it because I'm a Kingdom Hall crasher and so they want to crash my house. Um, you know, there was a point, you know, like there was a major point to what I was doing, you know, and they're stupid magazines. There's no, there's no goddamn point to that, but they're not going to want to get caught on my property. You know, I'm in a neighborhood where, you know, in the neighbor's sea, you ain't going to want, you ain't going to want to get caught in this neighborhood, dropping literature off of my house.
SPEAKER_01:But have you, like, you haven't heard anything about them, like, putting their hands on people that are, like, inactive people or ex-witnesses?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah. Well, they got me into the hospital because they were lying. Considering how violent they are, yeah, they beat people up. They hurt people. They arson things. They rape people. They molest, they do you know what to children. Of course they're gonna come and do that to me. They're gonna send, look at what they did to Putin, being letter writing and being a terrorist act through the mail at Putin, letter writing and doing all these terrorist acts. all over the world, aggravating Putin so that he's knocking down their door, dragging them out and then they act like they're some kind of victims. I mean, I've got the tip of my left hand pinky finger missing and a scar on my lip and elsewhere from how violent they are and that they chop people up with machetes You know, nine month pregnant New York Jehovah's Witness girls with machetes because they say something that they shouldn't or they text and send me something that they shouldn't. They chop people up. They beat people with, they beat Uncle Clyde with a baseball bat 18 times. You know, Jessica was, you know, chopped where you couldn't even recognize her all in her front. So yeah, they're not above chopping somebody up and leaving you and then having blood all over the front door. I've seen it myself. I've seen it multiple times. Like I can go back through my photo albums. And if you happen to be a second witness and you didn't do the right thing, the second witnesses are the ones that are taking the fall. Of which I don't mind. I'm like, oh, there's another second witness of mine that didn't do the right thing. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. And I sit back and I actually laugh because it's a witness that did not speak up, that didn't do the right thing, that sat on information. And I'm naming all my second witnesses. So it's like, you know, and it's going to be in court. So, you know, with these certain... Breckenridge, Ortonville, all of Tucson, if you don't speak up about me, if you don't speak up, you're going to be named in the lawsuit. And I've got photos of you. I've got recordings of you. I've got police reports of you. Multiple court cases. They're named in a bunch of different court cases.
SPEAKER_01:So is that why you hate witnesses so much?
SPEAKER_00:Well, yeah, you can only chop up so many pregnant women without, you know, looking the other way and not because it could have been me. Because I know that's why they weren't doing anything. They more than likely didn't suspect Brent would do it to Jessica. Well, you know, because I know what they were thinking. Oh, well, she's the one who's an apostate. So if Uncle Brent goes nuts, he'll probably just chop her up. Ha ha ha. No, he didn't. Because he knows better than to do it to me. And I went to him and said, you know, if you think, you know, if you think you're going to do anything to me, I don't think so. You know, and they were sitting back like, oh, no, we're going to let Jehovah take care of it. And hopefully Uncle Brent will go after me. And he didn't go after me. And he specifically told me that he was going to go after me. Or he had somebody else tell me actually through a third party that he was going to do it to me first. And then when he saw what a fighter I was and that I was fighting on the right side, he changed his mind. So it would have, if I hadn't have been smart enough, it would have been me. And did they do anything? No. So turnabout is fair play. You know, turnabout is fair play.
SPEAKER_01:And we talk about we're going to... You know, talk about love and politics too, you know?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, love. What's that? You mean when we shut each other to death? Is that love?
SPEAKER_01:No, not that love. But what do you think about what's going on politically with the country? Like people wanting Epstein files. Well, okay. I was just...
SPEAKER_00:It's all connected, okay? I want, you know, from your perspective, I know what I'm saying is 100% true because it involves me. But when Jeffrey was arrested and then he, you know, and then he, a month later, you know, kills himself, the progression, we had started Kingdom Hall crashing and he gets arrested. And we're calling it all pedophile paradise, pedophile paradise, and he's got a pedophile island. And as we're crashing, he gets arrested, which is what I was wanting. He gets arrested, kills himself, and immediately when he kills himself, they said, oh, no will, no will, which means who did he will Watchtower to? It's in limbo. As soon as he killed himself, that's when they stopped doing the magazines because the owner was dead. And, you know, the owner of the island was dead. So right as soon as he died, they stopped doing the magazines. And now ever since, ever since that moment, you know, immediately after is when COVID happened. He killed himself. COVID happens. Fauci is his uncle or Ghislaine's uncle. Doesn't matter. Uncle. He's uncle related to them, Ghislaine and Jeffrey. The uncle to them is doing COVID. And while COVID's going on, they're preparing the witnesses of no more, you know, now it's six. Now it's four. Now it's two. Now it's none. New magazines. Don't report field service. Jeffrey was the owner and he's dead. And the results of what they're doing right now is the results of what that would be. What else would it look like? That's what it would look like is, you know, Jeffrey, you know, having, you know, majority ownership. And he dies and they don't know what to do. And so they start to panic. They start to grow beards. They start to just, it's a panic. And they should be panicked because you brothers need to know that I and others have been talking about this for a long time. And that Hollywood knows, the people on Jeffrey's list know, I know. A lot of people know all the actors that did those things, that portrayed these Jehovah's Witnesses in Hollywood leading up to this, know who they were portraying. Because they did it to a T. They know they were portraying certain individuals. And that's all who's on the list, really. When I go down the list, I know with the Chucky movies and stuff, who all represents what. And when I look and I see certain people, I'm like, oh, I remember... It's hard to explain. When it's already been movied and it's like, oh, that actor on the list of when he's hanging out with Jeffrey... Jeffrey think, you know, was making movies about the organization. Like imagine the owner of wash our knowing the dirt on everybody and being like, Hey, that would be a real, that would be real funny. You know, let's do a show based upon somebody, you know what I mean? And, um, he would then hobnob with those celebrities and then make a movie about it, like all these XJW movies. You know, there's actors that are playing these, you know, and they know who they're playing. And so then those actors get put on the list because that's who he was hanging out with. It could be an absolute Hollywood washtower disaster. It really could. It makes me feel like I'm going to have a heart attack because when you start to unravel, just imagine all of the movies that Watchtower is behind making and that if everyone found out All the secrets Watchtower's been hiding and all the movies they've made that are R-rated. You know? Like all their dirty little secrets. I don't know. It would be eye-opening. Just the secrets with me. You know? I've got... My whole life as a Jehovah's Witness was one big drama. So, just the truth to come out about me would be devastating to them. I just don't have the energy to argue about it. You know, that it's like, seriously, they're, you know... Just the secrets of what happened with the Chucky movies and what happened with the Smurfs with payout. What happened with a lot of other things. You know, and then what happened with Uncle Brent, what happened with my mom, what happened with, you know, almost like all my family are dead. And it's like, you know. or behind bars. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Do you think, like, so you're saying that the organization is somehow involved with Epstein?
SPEAKER_00:They are Epstein. Epstein is Watchtower. He's the island and they're the paradise. And as soon as he died, that's when the organization started to implode. Immediately. Because I knew who I was targeting. So I was targeting Jeffrey. Jeffrey got arrested. I was also targeting Pillowgate, of exposing Pillowgate, knowing who Pillowgate was. You know, being Uncle Clyde, not Jessica. And there was, you know, we were trying to out Pillowgate, which Pillowgate was Jeffrey, Uncle Clyde, and Aunt Jessica, and Uncle Brent, amongst a bunch of others. But mainly, Jeffrey was hanging out with Uncle Brent and Uncle Clyde. And it all imploded at the same time. Like all of it, it was just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. You know, just... very quickly and I knew and I told people like it was like no here's this here's that this is why this is happening like the whole time like before you came into the community like I was telling people about it as it was happening you know as it was happening and even before it was happening so you missed it Mitch like no like you know Um, cause I'm like, no, I'm going to expose the, I am going to expose the owner of wash tower is what I said. I knew it was Jeffrey and, and I did it. And this is the outcome. And so, um, yeah, I mean, I told everybody, I said, oh no, you're going to find out real quick who the owner of wash tower is. Just, you know, give me what it took me like a year and a half, maybe two years, the end of 2016 to the end of 2019 by the time Jeffrey, well, Jeffrey was arrested. It didn't take that long because, you know, the court process and all of his court cases, all the documents, my name's in those documents, like especially the older ones. But, you know, I know it's a shock to people, but it's like I was very specific and said, I know who the owner of Wash Sour is. And at the time, if I would have said it before 2019, said, yeah, it's this guy named Jeffrey Epstein, you wouldn't have known who that was at all. He wasn't in the news. I could have said it earlier. Jeffrey was also the last one seen with Christian Longo back in 2001. That's how it started. If you go back, back, back, that's how he got on the FBI's radar is he was last seen with Christian Longo who killed his wife and three little kids and dumped them in the San Francisco Bay or whatever. He was last seen with Christian and Christian was running to the island. He was running to the islands, and he got caught. And then I called and said, because I was still a witness at the time, and I said, well, he was last seen with Jeffrey, you know, when that happened in 2001. And it was like, I think there's something up with Jeffrey. Like, you know, 2001 was when I thought, I think there's something to deal with Jeffrey. And... I fought, I had to fight to get out too. Like, you know, I didn't want to be in a suitcase in the bay and I didn't want to be a machete. And then my best friend Lauren Stewart killed her whole family too and herself. Like there was a lot, there was a boating accident, couple of them. Like way more than, way more than Like, a lot. And it's second witnesses. Like, if you're a second witness to what happened to Vanessa Lee Hansen, a.k.a. Rose Bundy, you know, demonized smirk girl, if you...
SPEAKER_01:Okay, we're back
SPEAKER_00:now. Am I muted?
SPEAKER_01:No.
SPEAKER_00:I think I'm muted.
SPEAKER_01:I can hear you. Can you hear me?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah, I can hear you now.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah, I hear you.
SPEAKER_00:But, yeah, if you're one of the second witnesses of the demonized smurf, you know, of anything from, you know, from, you know, from, you know, when I was born all the way till now, if you're a second witness, there are quite a few second witnesses that are no longer around anymore. for various reasons and it's up to you if you wanna do the right thing. And they know, they know. You know, and it's like, you know, you don't want to end up like the Howards. You don't want to end up like Clyde and Jessica. You don't want to end up like John LaPuma. You don't want to end up like a lot of different people. You don't want to end up like Uncle Morris, Uncle Brent, Uncle Lewis. You don't want to end up like Arden Hansen or Uncle Tony. Like, you know, I mean, I've got a long list. You don't want to end up like Brother Rex Huberman. You don't want to end up like, you know, Dennis. or her, you know, Uncle James. Like, you know, like I could go on and on. You don't want to end up like Jeffrey or do you want to end up, you know, like Ghislaine? You know, I've been a part of some pretty high profile cases, you know. You can even hear my recordings about Kyle Rittenhouse online if you know where to look. So yeah, it's crazy.
SPEAKER_01:It is.
SPEAKER_00:So it's like, what do you think is going to happen next?
SPEAKER_01:Like with the organization?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, what do you think is the next change?
SPEAKER_01:I mean, I'm seriously going to go... birthdays or holidays.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Well, they already said birthdays is a conscience matter in a previous article already. And a bunch of them have already been celebrating a birthday. I already wrote the letter. It's okay, brothers and sisters. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, let's see.
SPEAKER_00:I think for the annual meeting, they're going to vote me as president of Watchtower. Did you mail in your vote?
SPEAKER_01:No.
SPEAKER_00:I did. Twice. Mark Sanderson on one of my votes. I put my phone number. I put my phone number. Not that he doesn't know it. He knows it because he's called me before. So it's the same phone number, Mark. I put it on my vote.
SPEAKER_01:Wow.
SPEAKER_00:And it's in a postcard
SPEAKER_01:form. I didn't know you were serious.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah, I'm serious. I am serious, you know. Oh, I am so close to 4,000 followers on JW Match. 4,000. It was just 3,000 the other day, like a week ago, maybe. Maybe. Probably by tomorrow.
SPEAKER_01:They want you to influence them.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you know. The sisters, you know, you don't want to be stuck in a sexless marriage. You know, you want to be a man. You want to be a man. You know, it's time to live and be happy.
SPEAKER_01:You don't think witness women know how to put it down?
SPEAKER_00:What?
SPEAKER_01:You don't think witness women know how to put it down? No.
SPEAKER_00:Witness women know how, it's that we don't want to on Jehovah's Witness guys.
SPEAKER_01:Got you. Want a bad boy.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, there is nothing... Well, now that they've got beards, that's kind of sexy.
UNKNOWN:Wow.
SPEAKER_00:There is... Cool.
SPEAKER_01:Someone just in the future.
SPEAKER_00:Hypocrite. You gotta take a drink. Hypocrite.
SPEAKER_01:Who said hypocrite?
SPEAKER_00:I did. Hypocrite.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, man. Look at you.
SPEAKER_00:Just because I felt the need. No, there's nothing sexier than a Jehovah's Witness guy that stands up for himself. There's nothing sexier than that. But there's nothing more unsexy than one that doesn't know how to stand up for himself. There's nothing more of a turn-off than, like a turn-off. Like a turn-off. Did I say it was a turn-off? Turn-off!
SPEAKER_01:Oh my goodness. So what if you, what if, because you're on that JW match. What if some bearded hunk of a Jehovah's Witness pop up? You just gonna say, no, I'm not interested?
SPEAKER_00:I don't even know. I'm so damaged. I don't.
SPEAKER_01:What if he could fix you?
SPEAKER_00:What if what?
SPEAKER_01:What if he could fix you?
SPEAKER_00:Then he's a bigger moron than what I think.
SPEAKER_01:He might be able to give you some new life.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. No. You know, I've never said this to you. Like, I'm emotionally unavailable. I'm, like, so emotionally unavailable, it's not even funny. Like, just... I'm so... Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Except for Sanderson, apparently.
SPEAKER_00:Except for what?
SPEAKER_01:I said except for Sanderson, apparently. I know.
SPEAKER_00:See? Now I get it. I'm not happy.
UNKNOWN:Wow.
SPEAKER_00:Mercy in the sea. I've got a history with him. You know? There's a history. You know? There's a history. He's such a jerk. You know, just a jerk. Like, he's a jerk. Wouldn't that be awesome? That's the only way to save anything, too. Like, how could they save it? Right now, it's going to go down. Once the Epstein files and once my stuff starts going into court, that's all she wrote. If I get up on the stand, how do you think I'm going to be? I'm going to look them in the eyes. I'm not going to be some... Imagine me on an Australian Royal Commission. Where I'd be, you know, on the stand, and I'd be pointing, and I'd be like, no, that, you know, with Uncle Tony Morris, and this one, and that one, and that, and that, and here's a bunch of pictures, and we can just have a big poster board of this, and this, and this, and this, and let's get your birth certificates, and let's see where you've all lived, and all these different things of look at how, you know, Of all these crimes that people have lost their lives in Breckenridge and Ortonville and in Tucson and this thing and that thing, there's not a leg they can stand on. And I can't believe that there aren't more people upset about it that just kind of shrug it off like it's nothing. Yeah. But there are so many that are so guilty. that i know that there are a lot of people in the congregations that it's like if you want it all to come out in my judicial file what's that going to look like and if i were you i would encourage washtower to make the quickest settlement with me just to save your own skin
SPEAKER_01:That's crazy.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I mean, imagine what my court case would look like. What would we get talked about? Just imagine it for a minute. Imagine if Uncle Brent had gone to trial for his death penalty case. Imagine Uncle Brent, if it had gone to trial and I got up on the stand and I started to explain As Uncle Brent explains, me and Uncle Brent had the same exact story. And my story was backed up on YouTube. Where it was like, no, I, you know, what Brent was saying was true. And I said, yeah, it's on YouTube too. Before, you know, before everything. To back it up that that was said ahead of time. Yeah. Yeah, because it's like, you know, there's not anything that they can say. It's like, oh, no, too many people have died. You know, there's too many graves.
SPEAKER_01:Let's just have some fun. If you were elected as president of the Watchtower, what would you do?
SPEAKER_00:If I was what?
SPEAKER_01:Elected, you know, the ballot you said you sent in to be president.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, I should campaign, shouldn't I? I
SPEAKER_01:said if you won.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. If I was president, for one, I already have a cardigan, you know, but I would be, if I was president of Washtenaw, I would be doing exactly what they're doing right now. You know? I agree with what they're doing, not reporting field service time. I don't think there's much else I would do other than the college education. If I was president of Ouachita, I would go through those records with a fine tooth comb myself. Me knowing, you know, that I know a lot of the core. I would start with, you know, and work my way out. And I would make a standard of any abuse that I deem, you know, that there would be like a standard amount to be given without any trouble. without any need for lawyers, as I find them, be like, you know, here's X number of dollars, you know, of what they wanted for the Royal Commission, I would just do. And I would also do things to help the organization make money, of which I know that I could. I've done it in the past. Billions and billions of dollars, including the Chucky franchise. help the organization make money to recover make it a legitimate charity the best one that's ever existed that actually helps people isn't just lip service um that would be the the standard the gold standard for charities that i i know that if they ran if if the witnesses ran a soup kitchen They would feed every homeless person in town before all the other ones opened up. They'd be so efficient. I would wanna help people get up on back on their feet who are homeless. I would wanna help people. And that would be their preaching work. Instead of standing at a cart, why don't you stand at a little soup cart Or accept clothes donations and go find a homeless person and give them a hotel room for the night and give them some clothes and do that for the day instead. What
SPEAKER_01:do you think the governing body would
SPEAKER_00:say? What?
SPEAKER_01:What do you think the governing body would say?
SPEAKER_00:They would say, well, they've said it before. Oh, you've got such high hopes for the organization. Your expectations are too high. But I know that if I became president of Watchtower, that I would not only... I would also be able to... Put apostates mind at ease too.
SPEAKER_01:You
SPEAKER_00:know, it's like, don't worry. You know, like, would you worry me being president of Washtenaw? No. Cause it'd be like, I would have everybody's best interest at heart. I would connect families back up with each other. That would be my first, that if you don't call your family to check on them, you're going to be disfellowshipped by the next meeting. You know, I'd be like, who's your family members? Reach out to them. I would fix that probably first, is reconnecting people. And then if they didn't, and they were being self-righteous and a hypocrite, that they would get disfellowshipped for being a hypocrite. But, They're such worthless people. I don't think there's any saving it.
SPEAKER_01:Nope. I say let it burn. They've hurt too many people.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, there's too many weirdos, I think.
SPEAKER_01:I'd
SPEAKER_00:have to kick everybody out. I would kick everybody out and then I would flip-flop it and extend the invitation to the apostates for the apostates to return. And I'd kick every current witness out and say, hey, apostates, this is what I, you know, let's turn this into an amazing charity of ex-Jehovah's Witnesses. Let's make it the way that it should be. And, and, and just kick all the current members out and include apostates. And it would be because they're, we are really the true witnesses because we're the ones that care. Current witnesses, they don't care. They just sit back. Oh, well, whatever. It's like, no, we actually want to fix it, whether we're a part of it or not. You know, I don't even know why I'm fighting to fix something I'm not even a part of.
SPEAKER_01:That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Cause it's like, we don't reap the benefits. Like I'm like, we're, you know, if you want to be an apostate to help fix the organization, who are you fixing the organization for? You're fixing the organization so that your abusers can have an easier time at life. Like now, or now our abusers can go to college. Isn't that wonderful? Oh, our abusers can now go to school. So now they'll be what? Educated abusers? Lovely.
SPEAKER_01:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:You know? Oh, now our abusers can wear a beard and we can't recognize them as easy. You know?
SPEAKER_01:I don't
SPEAKER_00:like it. Hate those people.
SPEAKER_01:Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00:So... I don't know. I guess it's either one or the other. Either we fix it or I hope it implodes all the way and it just crashes and burns because there's no in between. But it's like die hard. Just walk away and it's like, you know.
SPEAKER_01:I want it to fall.
SPEAKER_00:Well, if anybody can do it, demonize Smirk Girl can. I've done it before. It's just... It's a shame what they did to something. Because it used to be so good, like going to the assembly and the food and the Danish before the wooden spoons and everything. It wasn't that bad. You know what I'm saying? You'd get that tingle, and you'd sing the last song at the assembly. There's fond memories of it, too.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah,
SPEAKER_00:yeah. And it's a shame. I would love to be a part
SPEAKER_01:of it. One of my most popular posts on TikTok is the one where I'm talking about the food at conventions we used to have. Like, I posted it over a month ago, and it got, like, 25 comments today.
SPEAKER_00:That's good. That's real
SPEAKER_01:good. Witnesses like to eat.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah, I remember when the food was made free and they stopped doing the little tickets. Yeah. That was one of my ideas. It was a bad idea. It was a bad idea.
SPEAKER_01:Why?
SPEAKER_00:Because I had made the comment, I was like, you know, the tickets are such a hassle. You know, well, I bet you they'll probably overcompensate and put more money in the contribution box if you give the food for free. Come to find out that was not the case. They did make the food free. And instead, donations went down. and that's when they stopped doing food altogether because you know it wasn't a money-making venture anymore making making that food for you was a bad decision
SPEAKER_01:yeah it was a hassle
SPEAKER_00:yeah they took advantage of it
SPEAKER_01:i hated making food at conventions yeah
SPEAKER_00:when i
SPEAKER_01:was a I went to the big one in Houston. They were like 50,000. Imagine feeding 50,000.
SPEAKER_00:We were making those roast beef sandwiches all morning, man.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Just an assembly line. Buns, buns, buns. Them stupid gloves, the loose gloves. Yeah, I hated
SPEAKER_01:those gloves. Yeah. Raw meat.
SPEAKER_00:Remember the corn chip salad? Corn chip salad. That was good. God, that was good. The meat. Okay, where
SPEAKER_01:was this?
SPEAKER_00:What? That was a Midwest thing. Did you not have corn chip salad?
SPEAKER_01:No.
SPEAKER_00:It came in a little red and white checkered little thing, like hot dog tray, and then you put corn chips, and you put meat and cheese and lettuce. God, it was good. That was in the 70s, though.
SPEAKER_01:I guess it was a Midwestern thing.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it could have been a Midwest thing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:It was good. What kind of food did you have then, way back?
SPEAKER_01:The hoagies, they used to make... Now, every once in a while, I would like this. They would have a chicken thigh or chicken breast and a piece of bread in foil. They used to have that. They have burritos.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, the burritos. Oh, I forgot the burritos.
SPEAKER_01:One time, like a dumbass, I ate a burrito and chocolate milk at lunch. It
SPEAKER_00:was like Taco Bell. I guarantee you Taco Bell was created. Because I know Arby's. The roast beef was Arby's. Oh, my phone's going dead. So in case I go away, it's because my phone died. So you can just stop the recording then.
SPEAKER_01:We've been on almost an hour and a half.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Should we probably wrap it up? We'll talk about food next time.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, let's talk about food next time because it's a huge conversation. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I know. This was a heavy one, man. I'm sorry. This is a little Watch Star After Dark. I get dark on Watch Star After Dark. We talk about the hard topics, you know. I'm sorry I did all the talking, Mitch.
SPEAKER_01:This is your show.
SPEAKER_00:Sorry. You're used to it. See, he's a good guy. He just sits there and he just nods his head. He ain't even listening to me half the time. I see that glazed over look on your face.
SPEAKER_01:You
SPEAKER_00:fell asleep during the meeting.
SPEAKER_01:oh
SPEAKER_00:my god me too
SPEAKER_01:oh
SPEAKER_00:my
SPEAKER_01:god yeah i'm feeling
SPEAKER_00:really good we're totally awake i had three of them now we have two that is hysterical
SPEAKER_01:you're funny you said you had this glaze over yeah
SPEAKER_00:We just can't vape it fast enough. We're waiting for the new system. We want it to be here really quick. Just vape away. Vape away your problems. You haven't
SPEAKER_01:watched me. I've been going to both
SPEAKER_00:of them. No, because I was too busy doing it myself. Like this one.
SPEAKER_01:I'm feeling good.
SPEAKER_00:It's terrible. This is great. Well, thanks, everybody, for doing Wash After Dark. Sorry it got so dark. We got a lot of demons, or I do, a lot of demons to discuss, a lot of demons in my past that I start talking, and it's just from my heart. No script, no nothing, and I hope I made a little bit of sense. It's just I've been through a lot of trauma, lots of trauma. Lots of death and trauma and nobody's just acting like nothing happened. And it's like, you know, how in the world can they act like this all didn't happen? You know, nothing to see here. Yeah. So hopefully soon, you know, we'll keep you up to date and we'll see you on Tuesday and we love you. Me and Mitch, we got your back.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and soon we'll be live. Like, we won't be recording. We'll be live soon. I have to work out all the books.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Yeah. All right. And then you can triple fist your vape. You know, you'll be like one of those little seals. Just doing...
SPEAKER_01:I like being on the show because I don't have to do a lot of talking.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I'm not sure I
SPEAKER_01:have to talk a lot, but with you, I let you talk, and I'm just over here like...
SPEAKER_00:I know. I'm sorry. No, don't apologize. I like it. It's like my Watchtower After Dark daily diary. It's like, oh, no, I'm in the big... I'm in the Watchtower Big Brother house, and I don't know what to do. Samuel Heard's being a jerk. That's what I feel like. It's like Survivor, Watchtower Survivor.
SPEAKER_01:We'll keep it a little light. We'll talk about food, and I want to hear about the dirty things that you knew happened in congregations.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Because a lot of people ask about that, like, you know, they're shocked when I tell them, like, it's been white flopping stuff and all that crap, you know? Yeah. And people are shocked.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I mean, come on. You don't think that I didn't... I mean, I can tell you...
SPEAKER_01:That's what I said. Next time, I want you to get into that next time.
SPEAKER_00:Smurf girl, white swaps... You know, wife swapping with demonized smirk girl. You don't think I didn't swap my husband? There was husband swapping. I swapped. I've been married three times. I've swapped husbands. Husband swapping. Like, forget about the wife. Husband swapping. I'm guilty as charged myself. So, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we're going to talk about that in the next episode. I can name names.
SPEAKER_00:All right. Sounds like a plan.
SPEAKER_01:All right.
SPEAKER_00:Well, thanks a lot, everybody, for tuning in to Watchtower After Dark. We love you. Keep on fighting and just, you know, try and... I don't even have any words of wisdom. Just try and hang in there. Hang in there. You know, it does get better. Like, it really does. You know, it does.
SPEAKER_01:It does.
SPEAKER_00:And thanks, Mitch, for being a great sport and a great partner in this. My partner in crime.
SPEAKER_01:That's right. You're very welcome.
SPEAKER_00:All right.
SPEAKER_01:All right.
SPEAKER_00:Thanks, everybody. Have a good one.
SPEAKER_01:Bye.