Why, Drew? The Friends Who Knew- Part 2

When addiction takes someone you love the questions never stop. I'm talking to my brother's friends to piece together a picture of the road he went down. What started as a search for answers became something I didn't expect: my own grief finally surfacing after years of silence and anger. Today, I'm talking with Brett Logsdon, one of his closest friends. Thanks for going on this journey with me!

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:08

I am talking with Brett Logston tonight. And I was uh actually trying to remember how old you were when you all moved into our neighborhood. Thanks for coming on tonight.

SPEAKER_00 0:18

Oh thank you. Let's see. When uh when we moved into your old neighborhood, I think it was seven or eight.

SPEAKER_01 0:23

That's what I was thinking. You were little. We should probably start with like how you and Drew met. I guess probably at school, or did you meet in the neighborhood?

SPEAKER_00 0:33

Um I'm thinking because my stepdad used to be I mean he I say it he was an alcoholic essentially, and uh he wouldn't he would like not pick me up from school sometimes. No when we were and you know Drew would hang back and wait on your mom, I guess, to get off work.

SPEAKER_02 0:51

Aww.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Pretty much how I met Drew was like I would be like sitting there not getting picked up from school and he would be there. Then like that's kind of how I got to know Drew.

SPEAKER_01 1:01

That's sweet. Yeah, I was tell I was like, God, I I remember taking you all to Kentucky Kingdom and it was you and Neil and Drew. Thinking that's it was Neil Holiday. Neil's gone too. Yeah, I know. I know, that's terrible, isn't it? Yeah. So what do you think? What would be like your favorite memories of Drew before the shit hit the fan?

SPEAKER_00 1:26

Oh man, I mean definitely the Leaf Fort. Well if you remember the Leaf Fort, but we go like a fort out of Leaf in your backyard.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

Oh god, yes, that was huge. I think mom still has pictures of that somewhere.

SPEAKER_00 1:40

And then I mean I remember this is kind of silly, but I remember y'all had a HBO, I guess, and me and I'd stay the night over there, and me and Drew would hang out in the basement and watch like real stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:56

Oh my god, I can see that. Yep. The basement, the dungeon was where everybody went to watch stuff they weren't supposed to. Crazy.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

Dude, I love hanging out with Drew when we were I mean, when we were kids, we had a blast over at your office house. Y'all had the pool. You had all the cool stuff.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

We uh I mean I remember us attempting to build an igloo, but we definitely tried to do too much. Like we had like we were building like big blocks, and I mean it was like it would have been it would have been huge, but we got like three rows around and we're like, you know, like three blocks up, which was maybe waist high for us. We're like, there's no way we're gonna get this done. Because it was like I mean, I don't know, it was probably ten feet wide.

SPEAKER_02 2:40

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

You know, like we're just had no reference of what we were doing. I guess we had to leave for it and we're like, oh, we're gonna be way better this time.

SPEAKER_01 2:49

So when when do you all this is what Greg and I were trying to recall because this is kind of the the preface of this. I wanted to talk about Drew and the good times that we that we had with him. Because I mean, he was my best friend in the world until he went off the deep end.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

Shoot, when y'all had when you had the cheesecake shop, me and Drew would like get stone in the middle of the night and then go there and just like make bacon sandwiches and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 3:15

And eat all the brownies and ice cream and milkshakes. Yeah, I'd come in. I'm like, uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

They've been here, I can tell. Those are like a drug.

SPEAKER_01 3:30

I can't even they are so sweet, I can't even eat them now. That's what I'm saying. Like they'll get you high. They will. I think people eat them sometimes just to get high. The chocolate peanut butter ones I liked better than the regular, but now I don't even like I think I could just got a little burnout.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

Oh, uh this one's more of a story with your dad, but we were uh we went to me and Drew were gonna go check out a school in Orlando. Mom and Dad were going on vacation too, so like we like we're pretty much just staying in a hotel with them for like a night or two to check out the school. When we got there, I uh they went up or something, and then I I hop on the elevator and I'm like, oh my god. It was like somebody had ripped this most terrible fart ever, and it was atrocious. And then like when I get there, I'm like, Drew's your fart on the elevator and it was terrible. And your dad just goes, Oh shell, I was like, Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

He was notorious for doing that. Farting and then running and making it look like it was us that did it. You know he has Parkinson's, don't you? Uh I mean, I think I remember did wasn't he getting it when uh Yeah, he had it when Drew died, but nothing nothing like he does fucking now. He's in a wheelchair most of the time.

SPEAKER_02 4:51

Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 4:52

It sucks. And he's had it God, Drew's been gone nine years, so I think dad's had it like twelve years that we've known.

SPEAKER_00 5:00

Has it been nine years? Yeah. Man.

SPEAKER_01 5:04

Yeah, tell me about it. It's crazy. He would have been 40 this year. That's what it was like. Oh my god, I've got to do a podcast about Drew. I work with all kinds of different um drug rehabilitation places. I chair a drug coalition and I'm interviewing a bunch of different people for that. And I was like, Well, I gotta talk about my brother. I mean, there's a whole fucking reason that I do this is because of him.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

Yeah, I mean, dude, oh, I still remember uh one time when me and Drew were you know doing what we do, we were going somewhere, and like he had already been through like the Hilling place a couple times, or at least once, you know.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

Yeah, he went a couple times.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

Some knowledge. I mean, but at this time I think it was just once or something. But he had some knowledge of uh things that was like uh telling me how I could really relate to the big book of Alcoholics Anonymous. And like he was like, You should probably be it, man. I think he was really related to it. And I was like, sure, so good, through That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 6:11

Was he still clean?

SPEAKER_00 6:13

Oh no, we were going to get high.

SPEAKER_01 6:15

Oh, okay. I was gonna say, why is he telling you to go do that?

SPEAKER_00 6:19

I mean he's so funny. I was like worse than everybody and I don't know how I got lucky enough to You were the first one to get clean though. Yeah, I guess I mean oh there's so many people that are not they're dead now and I just always felt like I was the one that was worse for him. A lot of the time.

SPEAKER_01 6:48

I don't know. I think I don't know. Chase was pretty bad. Drew was Drew was real bad the last couple years.

SPEAKER_00 6:57

Yeah, I know. Like so I was working with Drew and uh Frankford had a beer depot and uh like he was using and it was it was sad because that was when I was like a couple years sober. Many years over and like I'd try to like talk to him but he just didn't want it and I mean he was like starting to get like sores and like he was Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:24

He was. And it's sad I mean, but the last year of his life I didn't even talk to him. I was so mad at him. I was st I mean even when he died, I was fucking mad. I was mad for years that he would do it, first of all, and that he would kill himself. I'm like of you, of all people. It's like he just gave up. I mean the drugs. I know now that it w he was out of control. It wasn't him.

SPEAKER_00 7:54

That's like one thing I can usually like people who I guess go through the addiction, like we all I feel like we all understand wanting to kill yourself. Like there's a huge there's 'cause I've talked to people and I'm like they're like, how could somebody want to kill themselves? And I'm like, really? Like you've never been at that spot? 'Cause I've totally been at that spot a lot of my life. And I mean it sucks, but yeah, it it gets to the point where you're just like you don't want to live. Keep doing the drugs and you don't want to do the drugs. But you just do it. Like you can't do it. You have to do it.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

So backwards. Where were we? High school. We know that y'all were crazy in high school. So oh, we're talking about the college that you all or not the college, but that school in Florida.

SPEAKER_02 8:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:50

That school in Florida, I'm a thing. Really? This is what I'm gonna think. When mom and dad toad drew they couldn't afford to send him there, that's when he started going off the event. That's when I think he was like, Fuck it, I'm just gonna do everything. I don't know. I mean, that's just my philosophy of it. He got so depressed, and then after me closing the bakery, it was just like, wow. Did he uh had he already done the uh He didn't done heroin when I had the bakery? He didn't do that for a while.

SPEAKER_00 9:23

Music, um the school in Leiceston or whatever the music.

SPEAKER_01 9:28

He did that while he was still at the bakery. He already had that uh certificate when you all went down to Florida because he he wanted to like go further.

SPEAKER_00 9:37

Yeah. That school was expensive, though.

SPEAKER_01 9:40

Yeah, mom and dad said it was over a hundred thousand dollars a year and you couldn't work because you were on call all the time in case somebody wanted to come to the studio to record.

unknown 9:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:51

She was like, We can't do it, Drew. What do you think we're made of here?

SPEAKER_00 9:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

He just didn't get it. He thought everything should be like, Well, you should pay for it. He was a little entitled, but damn a good I I loved him. Little ship. So when do you think uh did you you no, you didn't live over there. It was him and Aaron Landbauer that lived in the house behind Speedway. Oh yeah, I mean I was there on the freaking time. Yeah, I was thinking you lived there for a minute. I was like, no, wait. So I don't know. When do you think he started using heroin? Did you were you using it before him or was he using it before you?

SPEAKER_00 10:33

I would I would I wanna say that I was probably using it before him, but we were doing appeals first before everything. And then they reformulated the oxycotton and it made it really hard to get and really pinky. So then that's when everybody started doing heroin. Because it was like I mean significantly cheaper than you can get higher.

SPEAKER_01 11:04

But y'all were stort snorting it to begin with, is what Drew was telling me.

SPEAKER_00 11:08

Probably man.

SPEAKER_01 11:10

He said it wasn't long. He he told me everything. He said it wasn't long after they were snorting it that he wanted to shoot up. He said it's just like you couldn't get high enough snorting it.

SPEAKER_00 11:22

Yeah, no, it wasn't it wasn't really worth it to me essentially it would be like you're gonna pay you know, four times as much to get I guess near as high. And when it c you know came down to it, we were thick without That's what he said. So it's like and then you know like so you could pay, you know, use a quarter of as much and you know, it's significantly cheaper. Versus like, I mean it got to the point where like it would cost me eighty to a hundred dollars a day for pills. Damn twenty dollars on heroin.

SPEAKER_01 12:03

Oh my god, that's wow.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

It it was absurd. Especially so it went from the oxycotton, went away, and then all panas came around. And opanas the addiction seemed worse because they didn't like you could snort an oxycotton and you wouldn't be sick until the next day. No matter what. You can snort the oxycontin, you're good until tomorrow. With the opanas, like you had like ten hours.

SPEAKER_01 12:32

Really?

SPEAKER_00 12:34

So like you're spending way more money, shit's starting to cost more because you know the government's cracking down on everything, it's starting to get harder to get, and that's when heroin like really started flooding everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 12:44

That's fucked up. I didn't know that about O Panna. So it's similar to heroin because how I mean I've heard stories that like as soon as you're coming down, you start getting sick. I don't know how long.

SPEAKER_00 12:58

Oxycotton, opanna, well, essentially oxycotone is the active ingredient that's you know in oxycotton, opanas. It and it's the same effect as the heroin. Wow. But then the problem with what sucks is like, you know, when you buy an oxycotin, you know exactly what you're getting. It's an oxycoton, like you know what that is. You go buy a 20-bag of heroin, it could be fucking kill you good, or it could just not be very good at all.

SPEAKER_01 13:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:30

And that's why so many people started dying.

SPEAKER_01 13:34

We had fentanyl test strips at the health department, and then I don't know, maybe six months after we got them, the federal government said they were illegal. We couldn't give them out anymore because people were using it to see if there was fentanyl in it because they wanted to use it. And I was like, Well, there's still people that are using the test strips to make sure it doesn't have it in there. So, you know, I think you gotta weigh the options and then they decided, okay, we'll make them legal again. So is it hard for you to talk about it now? Did your wife did your wife know when you've met her?

SPEAKER_00 14:13

Yeah, when I met her, uh I was living in a halfway house, and I was actually less than a year sober, and I was actively trying to not get into a relationship.

SPEAKER_02 14:25

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

And she had just got a divorce like a year before that too. So she was kind of we were both in like a rebuilding process, I guess. And like when I met her, I was like we were just gonna be friends and I mean we took things really slow and uh the healthiest relationship I've ever been in because we got to know each other first and it was I mean it was good.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

Well she's beautiful too. I'm so happy you guys found each other.

SPEAKER_00 14:52

Thank you. Yeah, it was funny because some of her friends were like, What the hell are you doing with this piece of shit? And I guess the time I was like, screw them, but I looked back and I was like, That's pretty smart.

SPEAKER_01 15:02

Yeah, they were trying to tell you to run. Good thing they did she didn't know.

SPEAKER_00 15:09

Yeah, it worked out.

SPEAKER_01 15:10

It was pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

Yeah, I think uh in April I'll have twelve years of sobriety.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

Wow, I was gonna say because yeah. I was thinking it was probably twelve or thirteen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:25

We w we used to we worked at that pizza hut together.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

Oh my god, you worked there too?

SPEAKER_00 15:31

Dude, like yeah, that's that's that's where it started of it. That's where things I mean, for me I was doing I was doing oxycotton in high school. Oh my god. Just like was able to kind of just do it and not get crazy. I didn't get crazy until we were like maybe twenty-two, twenty-three. And that was around the time we were working at that pizza hut.

SPEAKER_01 15:53

That was right after I closed the bakery. That's when he said that's what I said. That's when he started getting like super depressed.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

Yeah, when we worked at that pizza hut, we were not doing anything good. Uh-uh. Me and Drew had an off and on again relationship a lot of times because he would we would fuck each other over on drugs pretty much. That's what Greg said too. Yeah, I mean, essentially that's exactly what would happen.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

And that's your life and somebody's stealing from you.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

Really good with the if he just fell into the right situation, you know.

SPEAKER_01 16:30

I've always felt that way too. I feel like, man, he would have been great working at the healing place when he got done with treatment. Because he was that he would have been great with that. He could have been a great musician. Kills me. I'm like, I've been at so many metal concerts and be sitting there fucking crying because I'm thinking about him. Hear a song, and I'm like, oh my god, we used to jam to that all the time at the bakery. And then with that um concert at Waverly Hills. Yeah. Yeah, I do. You were but that was Lamagod, Gloire, hate breed.

SPEAKER_00 17:05

What's funny is uh Remy, my daughter, she loves war. So it started off with they did a cover of Pink Pony Club on on uh it's on YouTube. Oh my goodness. So I let her she likes Pink Pony Club. So you want to watch it? Oh look, she's saying Pink Pony club, but she wants to see the war one. Um and then like so we were watching that YouTube video, which it's they're just in the studio playing, so it's like, oh, you know, whatever. I just like they're wearing costumes. And then like it went to a music video of theirs after that, and like she Mesmeri and she watched it and like she loves it. It's hilarious.

SPEAKER_01 17:47

Oh, that is you need to get that on video. Her watching them and tag them.

SPEAKER_00 17:52

It sucks. Yeah, the drugs, like, it just I feel like he just found you know, like, for me, I get a taste of something that makes me feel better, and then it just I go to the extreme with it. And I know that before we started doing drugs, like me and him would just get drunk as fuck together. Like he was like the w you know, we he'd be s leaving over there with Aaron. Most people are like, No, we gotta just wait till tonight to drink. But Drew would fucking get drunk all damn day with me. Like, no, we're gonna get up, we're gonna fucking drink a fist, we'll pass out, we'll wake up and we'll do it again. Well about Jesse.

SPEAKER_01 18:25

He was just as he was doing that shit in high school, drinking vodka like it was water.

SPEAKER_00 18:29

Dang, like the pain feels so for me, like, you know, we were drinking so bad, I was fucking my life up drinking. You know, I'd done the pills and stuff and I knew that that you know, that was a good that they felt good. And I just thought, well, I don't fucking get DUIs, I don't get in fights when I fucking, you know, do the pills. And I didn't, you know, like I always thought I was smart enough to control any addiction. Like I'm smarter than these fucking idiots that are getting addicted.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 18:58

But uh then you know, after a couple years I wake up and I'm like, Oh I'm fucked. Super fucking addicted. And then it's just like Too late. You know, you get all fucking sick and shit when you don't have it. It's literally like I mean my thought process would be I'm gonna do whatever the fuck I gotta do to get it. Like it don't like if I gotta go to jail, then I'll deal with that then. But right now I have to fucking fix this. Like steal or whatever I have to do to not feel so shitty. It was terrible.

SPEAKER_01 19:27

That's why I mean, really, why we all cut Drew out of our lives the last year because he kept stealing everything. I mean you had to lock up your purses when you would go to my mom's.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

I mean it it sucks, but that's really like to this day if somebody had a family member who was doing that, I would be like, you need to fucking cut them out. Like they're gonna have to they gotta suffer consequences. And it just sucks that sometimes the consequences are too much.

SPEAKER_01 19:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:59

Without things being fucking absolutely terrible for me. And I mean I almost died too, because I got sober, I fucking my mom found me overdosed and called in an ambulance. Oh my gosh. And then and then like, you know, I'm at the ER and I'm telling myself I'm never gonna do this again, I'm done. But I continued doing it. I couldn't stop doing it and like I had already been like homeless a few times. I had uh got my shit back together enough to dabble, so I really wasn't doing it every day. And uh like so I couldn't stop doing it after that, and uh she was like, You're either getting the fuck out or you're going to rehab.

unknown 20:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 20:38

And I thought that I would like just go to rehab for six you know, go to detox and move back in. But then at while I was at detox, she's like, You can't come back, you need to go to a halfway house. I mean it was just like one thing after another that worked out for me. And I mean really the best thing that happened to me was I just realized that I didn't know shit about getting sober. You know, like I had been to detox before and just did something, like, I'll go to a couple meetings. Me and Dream used to get high and go to meetings. Oh my god, of course. Like I'm not joking, like he would see I think he would have like a meeting sheet that he had to get signed, and we'd he'd pick me up and we'd go get high and go to the meeting. And like in my mind I would still I would be thinking like maybe I'll get struck sober. Like, I don't know, I'm gonna go there and something's gonna happen and it's just gonna cause me to be like, I'm done with this shit.

SPEAKER_01 21:28

Yeah. But I mean shit, I felt that way about the cigarettes for years.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

Like, do you remember Kenny Caudell? That name is very familiar. So he was somebody we hung out with who's been in prison for probably twenty years now. No shit. He got out after ten years. Well, maybe he's been there for fifteen now. I don't know, something like that. But when he was there on his first stretch, I would talk to him on the phone and write him and stuff. And when he got I tried to be like, hey, you know, fucking I tried to point him, you know, like taking some meetings and I don't push it on anybody, but I'm like, you know, this is why I'm not drinking and not doing drugs. Yeah. He just was like, Well, I think I'm just gonna drink. And I'm like, I told him, I was like, I'll tell you why I don't fucking drink. And he just thought he could just drink some beer. Less than a year of him being out, he had he went to prison for fucking robbing a store.

SPEAKER_02 22:28

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

And to get drugs, you know. And less than a year later he did the same exact thing.

SPEAKER_02 22:36

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 22:38

A daughter who, you know, she's probably fucking eighteen now, sixteen at least, I don't know, something like that. And I'm like, dude, this girl has only ever known her dad and friends a lot.

SPEAKER_01 22:50

Man. Poor girl. Did y'all go to school with him? Yeah, he was the same grade as us. Okay, I thought that name was familiar for a reason. I forgot about Ben until uh Greg said his name. I was like, Oh my god, he used to be at the bakery all the time. I forgot all about him.

SPEAKER_00 23:08

Yeah, I don't know how the hell you'd get a hold of him. I think I saw him at Chase's funeral. That was the last time I saw him.

SPEAKER_01 23:14

See, I didn't even know about Chase's funeral until after it was already over. His mom came to Drew's funeral and his grandma came together.

SPEAKER_00 23:23

I feel like they were I don't know, like kind of expecting to have to have Chase's funeral. Chase was just as bad as Drew. And it took Chase was like the Chase was the first one I remember being like addicted. Like I remember him being like, you know, physically addicted and me being like, dude, what the fuck's your problem? Like I remember literally saying to him, like, dude, just stop. What's your problem?

SPEAKER_01 23:49

Was it heroin or when he was just on pills?

SPEAKER_00 23:52

This was just uh oxycot and shit. Yeah. But then I remember finally, like, you know, the day I understood and I was like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 24:01

I see. Yeah, we're Greg and I were kind of talking about that. He's like, No, I don't really feel like he was more fucked up than the rest of us. I was like, Well, Drew said he was. Drew used to always tell me that, you know, Chase was always the first one to get everything. He was the first one to because he had the money.

SPEAKER_00 24:20

Yeah, I feel like he was more fucked up early on. Like uh just that you know, like like I said, like I mean when we was fucking still like high school age, he was probably physically addicted to stuff. Totally.

SPEAKER_01 24:36

But I mean when you're living in you got your own apartment in high school and everything you could possibly want is given to you. But I mean I always liked Chase, he never did a damn thing to me. He was a smart ass, he was a little shit, but Yeah. He never bothered me.

SPEAKER_00 24:52

I like Chase. Yeah, I did too. I liked all you've heads a lot, but that's because we were both fucking stubborn. Mm-hmm. I think he was next to me the other night, uh I was at my my AA home group meeting.

SPEAKER_01 25:04

Were you bro late? I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

Yeah. No, that's fine. That's crazy. I do I do want to say that I mean, dude, he thought you were the coolest motherfucker ever. I don't remember that when we were young. Like, and I mean I thought you were fucking cool too.

SPEAKER_01 25:20

I was so mean to you all when you were little.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

I remember that.

SPEAKER_01 25:26

Like, leave me alone. God, why do you have to be in the pool? I'm in the pool. Why do you all have to be in the pool? Y'all wanted to splash. I didn't want to be splashed. I was trying to get his hand. I loved you all. I still do. I still look at y'all like, man, can't believe I can't believe he's gone. I can't believe time has passed so quickly.

SPEAKER_00 25:49

Yeah, it doesn't stop moving.

SPEAKER_01 25:51

Mm-mm. Seems like just yesterday. Y'all were little. Now you've got a little. Mm-mm-mm. Well if you think of any good stories, please. And thank you. You made my day. He was my favorite person on the planet.

SPEAKER_00 26:07

Honestly, I ain't gonna lie, like it was kinda I kinda was nervous to talk to you just because I'd you know, reliving some things with Drew I mean, just thinking about your friends that are gone that shouldn't be that you wish you could have done something different.

SPEAKER_01 26:25

That you know you couldn't have because they're the ones that had to make that choice too.

SPEAKER_00 26:29

I mean, I don't know if you remember Drew Polidor, but he called me like a week before he killed himself and was like reaching out and like I mean, I can tell he was reaching out, but I mean I don't know what to do. Like I was just I talked to him a little bit, we kind of reminisced for like an hour or two, and then like a week or two later he was dead. And we're like, fuck, dude.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

I think so many people do that just to say their goodbyes. That's what I wonder. They just all start calling. I mean the friends that I know that have committed suicide. Even when I was gonna this was fucked up, when I moved the bakery, when I was gonna move it to um Shepherdsville, when they built the new Kroger shopping center, I had signed a lease. I was gonna be there, used to be uh Quiznos subs there, and I was gonna be right next door to Quiznos and the landlord, we had the whole the drawings done, the whole layout. The landlord and his like uh architect dude, project manager, that's what he was, they came to visit and he's like, I just want to make sure everything's good. Are you happy with the plans, ready to move forward with it? And I'm like, Hell yeah. Next day, he killed himself. Yeah. And his uh project manager said they he made him go to every single one of the people he worked with and check on them that week. He said, I had no fucking idea. I thought we were just going and checking it with people, you know, making sure everything was good because he was that guy and he killed himself. So that fell through. I didn't go to the Shepherd'sville. Crazy. I'm like, man, can I can just imagine? I would have been killing it if I'd have stayed, if I'd have been there. Wow. That would have been a killer location. Solving's around there now. Anyway, I'm shutting up. Good talking to you. You have always been like my little brother.

SPEAKER_00 28:28

I'm glad you agreed to it, really. I I wasn't gonna ignore you, but there's definitely there is anxiety about just, you know. You know how many times I I don't know, I'd like for s I don't know why, but I would like think like I should go to see your mom and You should. Yeah, I mean, dude, your parents are like my parents, I feel like I was over there so much as a kid. Your mom was always so nice. And your dad, your dad was so nice, he always seemed so, you know, dad-like. Well, you're kind of like scared of him a little bit. For some reason you have that dad fear.

SPEAKER_01 29:05

It was the voice. The Louie, the main Louie voice. Anyway.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

Alright, I'll let you go.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

All right, yeah. You probably gotta get her going. I hear her, she's just jabbering away. She needs daddy.

SPEAKER_00 29:15

She's starting to get a little a little restless.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

Oh, all right. I'll talk to you soon.

SPEAKER_00 29:20

Bye.

SPEAKER_01 29:21

Bye.