Three Sides To The Truth

This week on Dopamine and Detours, we bounce from Euphoria conversations and locker room dad jokes to deeper topics like questions couples should ask before having a baby and the experience of testifying in court. We also recap our Salt Lake trip and talk Justin Bieber at Coachella. A little serious, a little funny, and plenty of detours along the way.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

What's up?

SPEAKER_04 0:01

What's up?

SPEAKER_01 0:02

My guys.

SPEAKER_04 0:04

And gals. I got some constructive criticism from my aunt. She's listening now. Love you. But it annoyed me so much.

SPEAKER_01 0:16

We get it. You guys want guests back? It's a lot. It's a lot to do.

SPEAKER_04 0:24

I know. I know. I want guests back too, but I do not have the energy.

SPEAKER_01 0:30

Sorry, we're letting all the all of you guys down.

SPEAKER_04 0:34

At this point, the podcast from my POV is what other people use Instagram and Facebook for. We have the podcast. So like other people are like, here's what we did this weekend, and here's all these photos, and it was so great. Blah, blah, blah. I don't do that on social media. Yeah. Instead, I have a microphone in front of my face, and I l you have to listen to me in your car or at the gym. Yeah. Or while you're doing your laundry.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Yeah, where wherever you be listening to us.

SPEAKER_04 1:11

I do if we continue this podcast, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:15

If we continue, we're continuing it. I know, but like after we have Oh, like you mean once there's a baby living in this podcast studio? I mean nursery.

SPEAKER_04 1:29

Yeah. I envision we'll have guests again. I have a guest I keep scheduling, and he keeps canceling rescheduling.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

Who? Talon. Sure, you throw him under the bus.

SPEAKER_04 1:43

He's busy though. He's been doing haircuts in Pocatello.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

He's been doing cuts in salmon. Yeah. Pocatella. So he's in Pocatello need your haircut. Hit up swaggy.

SPEAKER_04 1:54

He's busy, but he's the only guest I have planned to come on. Primarily because it's easy. My back hurts and I'm trying to help myself.

SPEAKER_01 2:04

I think you got that the wrong way. There you go.

SPEAKER_04 2:09

You there we go.

SPEAKER_01 2:13

You can like scoot the table. Can I? I think it I mean that thing looks like it's about to fall down.

SPEAKER_04 2:22

My back hurts and I need to. I just made this closer to me. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:31

You good?

SPEAKER_04 2:32

I got a lot of front weight going right now.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

You're sitting in a recliner.

SPEAKER_04 2:36

I know, but my back wasn't touching the back press. That's what the issue was happening.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_04 2:48

I have topics to discuss today. Number one. Is it your front weight? No. Is it your front weight? No, but that is an issue. Getting out of bed is becoming an issue.

SPEAKER_01 3:04

Yeah, you have to go.

SPEAKER_04 3:09

I can no longer roll over, or not roll over, bend over without throwing up a little bit. I think I said that on the last episode. It was nice hanging out with your sister.

SPEAKER_01 3:21

Like so you guys could be pre- miserable and pregnant together.

SPEAKER_04 3:25

Because I'm alone with you. But then when I was with her and I went to bend over, and she was like, oh wow. And then I was like, I'm so happy that you are here because you know exactly how I'm feeling right now.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:43

That was such a blessing God gave us.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

We'll see.

SPEAKER_04 3:49

Right now.

SPEAKER_01 3:50

Blessing. I mean for you two, not for Sam and myself.

SPEAKER_04 3:54

Whatever. Why?

SPEAKER_01 3:58

Nothing. We're not fighting yet right now, so I'm not gonna say anything.

SPEAKER_04 4:02

Um, I guess we could talk about our trip to Salt Lake. We could just start there because I just kind of brought it up.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

Yeah, that was fun. We got to go to Salt Lake this last weekend. Well, for the for the day. For the day. It was good. Got to see my dad and my brother. Taylor. Taylor. My nephew.

SPEAKER_04 4:23

Cutest baby.

SPEAKER_01 4:24

He's so cute.

SPEAKER_04 4:25

Holy cow.

SPEAKER_01 4:26

He's so happy. He just chills. I think my favorite part about him is he like he has so many like faces that he does to you. But my favorite one is like he'll smirk at you. But I think he does it because he thinks he's supposed to smile at people when they're talking. And he kind of just like gives you a half-ass smirk. Like yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:53

He does. He's really he's such a good baby.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

Yeah, he's chill. I don't think he I heard him cry one single time we were there.

SPEAKER_04 5:01

Jasmine was sitting on a chair holding him, and it broke in slow motion somehow. Like I looked over and she was just on the ground holding him up in the air. And so I was like, oh my gosh, and grabbed him. And I think because everyone reacted like, holy cow! Yeah, he kind of was like, should I cry? He didn't even cry, but he was like, uh, you're okay. He didn't even cry though. It was cute. He he's just so intelligent.

SPEAKER_00 5:35

He's pretty chill. He's a pretty chill baby.

SPEAKER_04 5:38

He's the most chill baby for the type of life he's had. Life's been hard from him since the moment he's gonna be able to get away.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

It's probably why he's chill. He's like, oh this little this little chair broke, like I spent 88 days in the NICU. Come on, dogs. Is that all you got?

SPEAKER_04 5:58

Yeah, he's great. I love him a lot. I love them. I've been enjoying their company a lot. I'm excited to see them again.

SPEAKER_01 6:05

Yeah, that was fun. I was much needed. I'm glad we got to spend time with them.

SPEAKER_04 6:08

I wish it was longer, but I mean no, we went we barely there 24 hours with that.

SPEAKER_01 6:14

Yeah. I got to do a little shopping. It's fun. I fell down the stairs. Actually slipped down the stairs. Immediately popped up. Embarrassed as in front of everybody too.

SPEAKER_04 6:30

Like, oh my god. Why are all the pregnant people falling? Your sister was like, I think she was more embarrassed than she was hurt. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 6:40

Oh yeah, your face was so red.

SPEAKER_04 6:44

Well, one, it shocked the shit out of me.

SPEAKER_01 6:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:48

And then everyone was staring at me.

SPEAKER_01 6:50

It was carpeted stairs.

SPEAKER_04 6:52

I'll get then I napped on the drive home, lovely, while you drove in the rain.

SPEAKER_01 7:02

In a monsoon. It was fucking awful. I was white knuckling it for five hours.

SPEAKER_04 7:10

Dramatic.

SPEAKER_01 7:11

I could not see any the winchill wipers were on high, and I was just like, well, God is leading us right now because I can't see shit.

SPEAKER_04 7:22

I'm glad I was asleep. That would have scared me. I don't like being in cars like that.

SPEAKER_01 7:28

Yeah, I think I ate too many sunflower seeds because I was all stressing out. Oh my throat hurts. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:37

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

Brutal.

SPEAKER_04 7:39

Um, let's see what else do I have? Justin Bieber at Coachella.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

The beads. So It seemed like he was just chilling. He was just like, hey guys, why don't you just come hang out and watch me sing YouTube?

SPEAKER_04 7:57

So I've seen videos. I cried, of course.

SPEAKER_01 8:01

Yeah, you cr I woke up on Sunday morning and you were watching that crying.

SPEAKER_04 8:05

It was beautiful. But the comments are confusing.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

I think people were upset about it.

SPEAKER_04 8:12

Well, that's what I'm saying is that the comments, everyone's like, people are complaining, and I've like not really seen anyone complaining about it.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

Every video that I saw of somebody that was there was like, it was amazing.

SPEAKER_04 8:28

Tana, what's her last name? Monagu? What? Tana.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

Tana?

SPEAKER_04 8:34

Tana.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

Tana. I don't know who the hell Tana is.

SPEAKER_04 8:39

The blonde girl I showed you. The people out there now. She was saying that there was a lot of people in the artist section talking shit about his performance. But other than that, I haven't really seen any complaints. I liked it.

SPEAKER_01 8:59

They were probably talking shit because wasn't he the highest paid artist at Coachella?

SPEAKER_04 9:04

And they were like, he's just sitting up there with a laptop.

SPEAKER_01 9:08

Seemed like he was having a great time.

SPEAKER_04 9:11

It seemed like he was just chilling with all of us.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

Good for him. The human the people are lucky. He's even performing still. True. And he was paying homage to like what got him famous. He's found on YouTube making cover songs. So like, doesn't that seem fitting to like be performing at one of your biggest performances ever to be like paying homage to that?

SPEAKER_04 9:38

Mm-hmm. I liked it. It was nice to see him again performing. He looks happy. He sang um gospel songs.

SPEAKER_00 9:51

Yeah. He's Christian.

SPEAKER_04 9:53

He is Christian. I appreciated that.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

Cried. You know what made me feel bad for him? Is I s that video of the paparazzi. It was like it was like a montage of paparazzi like following him and him being like so polite to them and be like, Do you guys really have to do that right now?

SPEAKER_04 10:11

Like can you please him slowly losing his mind over the years? Yeah. Like him in the beginning was like, oh, this is just part of the fame. And then the slow decline of him trying to be polite and then eventually him being savage.

SPEAKER_03 10:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:29

I couldn't imagine. Just the video where he was like, I'm just trying to go on a walk.

SPEAKER_01 10:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:36

Will you please leave me alone? I couldn't imagine not being able to leave my house and go on a walk.

SPEAKER_01 10:41

I just came out of church.

SPEAKER_04 10:42

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:44

He's like, uh I went I went in there to get rid of all my demons, and I come back and you guys are just here. Like I can't get away from it.

SPEAKER_04 10:52

Give me a moment. Yeah, I feel bad for him.

SPEAKER_01 10:55

I could never be famous like that.

SPEAKER_04 10:57

No.

SPEAKER_01 10:58

Absolutely not. Imagine we're just filming this podcast right now, and there's just paparazzi outside.

SPEAKER_04 11:04

I couldn't even imagine that many people listening to this podcast.

SPEAKER_01 11:09

Well, I mean, just like imagine that you're so famous you have paparazzi outside your house.

SPEAKER_04 11:15

All the time. Props to Haley marrying into that.

SPEAKER_01 11:19

I mean, wasn't she kind of famous too?

SPEAKER_04 11:21

I mean, c yeah, but not Justin Bieber level fame. I don't even know why she was famous before she met him. Her dad was an actor.

SPEAKER_01 11:34

Rich people things, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 11:36

She was friends with the Kardashians.

SPEAKER_01 11:39

Rich people things. Rich people things.

SPEAKER_04 11:43

Uh you went to court.

SPEAKER_01 11:46

I did go to court. Oh, something, I tell ya.

SPEAKER_04 11:52

Do you want to talk about it?

SPEAKER_01 11:54

The podcast made its first appearance in court. Shout out to Opami and D tours.

SPEAKER_04 12:03

Yeah, it did.

SPEAKER_01 12:05

Over something that we said. It wasn't even bad.

SPEAKER_04 12:10

No. Hey, I have no regrets about what I said.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

What he referenced, what the lawyer referenced was Well, tell us, tell us what I'm saying. I wanted to be a little mouthy, but I didn't want to get anybody in trouble.

SPEAKER_04 12:24

Well, with debriefing with everyone, it sounds like you did really good.

SPEAKER_01 12:29

Yeah, shout out the podcast. I was not. I was like scared. I was a little bit nervous. Mainly I just didn't want to say something to get somebody else in trouble. Right.

SPEAKER_04 12:40

So Well now you have to share the story of what he said.

SPEAKER_01 12:45

Oh yeah, I was about- I was about to. Okay. He the Lord was like.

SPEAKER_04 12:53

Okay, well, I guess backstory. How do we even for the people who we're just assuming everyone knows what we're talking about? Gordon had to go to court for mutual friends, divorce peering.

SPEAKER_01 13:12

Yeah, divorce custody battle.

SPEAKER_04 13:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:14

But like they don't really need to know that much of the backstory, right?

SPEAKER_04 13:17

I mean, I was just trying to give a. That's why I'm saying those we're assuming that everyone consumes every episode of our podcast and remembers everything we talked about.

SPEAKER_01 13:26

And this was like back in November, I think. That's why I'm saying she was like, You have a you and your wife have a podcast, correct? Dopamine and detours. And I was like, Yes, sir, we do. And he goes, on November blah blah blah, 2025. Did you say there's always three sides of every story, his side, her side, and the truth? And I was like, Yeah, that sounds about right, yes. And then he goes, You've you're this is your best friend, you've considered him like a brother, and I was like, Yeah. And they're like, he was like, Well, you you've even stated that you would take a blow for him. And I was like, probably didn't say it like that in my head, but I was like, Yeah. I probably said, Yeah, I'd take a bullet for him, whatever. Yeah. And he goes, Okay, well, Mr. Forrest, what side of the story are you here to tell today? I was just like, the truth.

SPEAKER_04 14:26

Did you say the truth, obviously, or just the truth?

SPEAKER_01 14:29

I just said the truth. What I wanted to say was, how dare you attack my character and act like like insinuate that I'm just gonna be up here lying to you? You little fucking oh, I'm like that guy. Anyways, I just was like, didn't I was just like, stay focused, just be polite, this thing things. Yeah, I uh it sucks, dude. Don't get divorced, people.

SPEAKER_04 15:00

Yeah, I will say that this divorce is helping our marriage.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

I mean, not like that we were in trouble, but like, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:09

It's giving perspective.

SPEAKER_01 15:11

It just there's just so much that goes into it, and even I don't I don't honestly, I don't think either one of them like at this point want to see the other hurt. But I do think like you get to a point where you're trying to get the best for yourself. Whether that be out of the assets or out of the custody or like is as like mutual as as mutual as it could be, and you were like, you'd be like, Yeah, I just I hope the best for you, whatever. I still think one party or both parties come out, and I'm just talking about in general, come out to be like trying to come up on the other side. Like, you know what I'm trying to say? Like, yeah. One party's always gonna try and come up higher than the other one. Mm-hmm. Like getting more money or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_04 16:20

It's easy out here for us to say this isn't even about you guys. You should be having your kid in the forefront of all of the the decisions you're making, and that they should be the main focus on why you're doing the things you're doing and what's best for them. But I'm sure when you're in there and you're mad, that's much easier said than done. Yeah, that was a lot for you.

SPEAKER_01 16:50

Yeah, it was all day long.

SPEAKER_04 16:53

That was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

I didn't have to be there all day long.

SPEAKER_04 16:55

I gave you chores. I thought you were gonna come home and do chores.

SPEAKER_01 17:01

No, I was well, I got there at like 10 and then I didn't go into the courtroom because I couldn't go in until after I until after I took the stand. Once I took the stand, I could stay in for the rest of the the court hearing. But yeah, it was we took a I went in there, I was on the stand for like, I don't know, like 15 minutes. It was pretty quick for me. Like it could have been a lot worse. They could have asked me a lot more questions that that would have been like challenging. It was just it is just a messy situation. And uh hopefully it works out for them both. Honestly, I just hope it works out for their son the best the most. Like I just hope that it doesn't affect him growing up. Just because I know how hard it can be for kids to grow up in that situation. Like I you know, like I grew up in a split family my whole life. Like that's all I knew. My parents were never really together, is that I can remember, you know, they were together when I was just a baby, but like that's just that was just normal for me. And I think that kind of helped. I mean, it wasn't easy either, like when only getting to see my dad on like holidays or like spring break or whatever it was that was hard. And I always was like, I would take it out on my mom, even though it wasn't my mom's fault necessarily. So I just hoped that it works out for him. And then like I said, seeing it happen to my brothers too, which was worse because they were a little bit older, and it was hard. It was hard, and I felt really bad for my mom because my mom was just trying to get into a better position for herself and for us, and my brothers were too young to really see that, and they just really I think it's just hard for kids to understand that and to navigate that and well, yeah, there's some resentment being your mom's divorce from one of your brothers towards her, and she was just trying to do the best she could. Yeah, and like obviously she didn't want to like totally uproot their lives.

SPEAKER_04 19:45

Oh, divorce with kids. Yeah, it's so hard.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

It's just hard, it's super hard on kids, and I just hope that I hope everything works out for the best. He's a good kid and he'll be alright. But yeah. Shout out to you people out there holding it together.

SPEAKER_04 20:07

Yeah. So yeah. It's definitely I don't know, like I said, given me perspective on our relationship and now bringing a baby into it.

SPEAKER_01 20:22

Yeah, same. Well, the weird thing is, is like like I said, I grew up around it and I grew up in it, and I've seen so much of it, but now as an adult, I don't think I realized like the heaviness of it all. Well, yeah, we're adults. Until I was like there in court and I was just like Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:49

So you did well.

SPEAKER_01 20:53

Hope you guys don't have to deal with that in your lives. Yeah, same. On a on a more uh happy note.

SPEAKER_04 21:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

Do you want to hear what happened to me today in the locker room after I worked out?

SPEAKER_03 21:11

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 21:12

There's this random dude. Well, I guess he's part of the regulars, but he's been gone for two months, so I haven't seen this guy.

SPEAKER_04 21:20

Wait. How do you know he's part of the regulars?

SPEAKER_01 21:24

Because he was talking to my other regular guy friends.

SPEAKER_04 21:26

I was gonna say, was he like, I'm a regular here, I've just been gone.

SPEAKER_01 21:30

No, he was talking to there's two guys that work out together every day. I I think they're just friends. They're I think they're just pals, two old white dudes. And they uh they talked to like they go on family vacations together or whatever. One guy just had s shoulder surgery, so he can't really do much, but they work out together, blah, blah. They were new guy was talking to them, and they're like, Catching up and then he's like, Oh yeah, you guys want to hear a joke? And he had like a whole fucking Animal Kingdom like bit.

SPEAKER_04 22:08

Was this just in the locker room or in the sauna?

SPEAKER_01 22:11

No, this was in the locker room. Like I had just got out of the sauna and I was like, I had took a shower and I was getting changed and ready for work, whatever. But he was like, Why did the elephant paint his nuts red?

SPEAKER_04 22:26

Why?

SPEAKER_01 22:27

So he could hide in the cherry tree.

SPEAKER_04 22:29

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

Have you ever seen an elephant in a cherry tree?

SPEAKER_04 22:32

No.

SPEAKER_01 22:33

Yeah, me neither. That's why it works. And I chuckled and I was like, oh. And I was just in the corner. Like, that's so stupid. And then he goes, Do you know what the loudest sound in the jungle is?

SPEAKER_04 22:48

What?

SPEAKER_01 22:49

A giraffe eating cherries from a cherry tree.

SPEAKER_04 22:51

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 22:55

Right? So then I chuckle again and then he's like, Yeah. Do you know how to do you know how to put an elephant inside a refrigerator? How? You open the door, put the elephant in and close the door. Yeah. And I was like, oh. He's like, how do you know how you put a giraffe in the refrigerator?

SPEAKER_04 23:19

How?

SPEAKER_01 23:20

When the one guy was like, you open the door, put the giraffe in and close the door. And he was like, oh, close. You forgot to take the elephant out.

SPEAKER_04 23:31

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

And I'm just like laughing because they're so stupid. Dad jokes, right? Dad jokes. And then he looks over at me and he's like, look at Slim Shady over here, busting up laughing.

SPEAKER_04 23:45

Why are you slim shady?

SPEAKER_01 23:47

Then I like looked around. I was like, sir, I think I have too much melanin to be slim shady. What is happening? Why am I slim shady? Are you talking to is there somebody else laughing in here? No, I was indeed slim shady.

SPEAKER_04 24:05

I was indeed slim shady.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

Yeah. So I didn't have anything witty to say to him because he caught me off guard.

SPEAKER_04 24:13

With your pants off. I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_01 24:14

And I was like, well, I gotta get out of here and go to work. Had enough. And then the one guy, one of the regular guys, was like, Do you have any jokes that aren't animal related? And then he kept going off and I left. So yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:36

Cool story, bro.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

Well, and a animal kingdom bit.

SPEAKER_04 24:40

I mean, I'm pretty impressed that you re could remember them.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

I think there were some that I forgot. He kept going.

SPEAKER_04 24:48

Old white dudes love a good dad joke.

SPEAKER_01 24:51

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:54

Oh shoot, I had notes. Let me see. Do-do-do.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

What else did you have for the people?

SPEAKER_04 24:59

Oh, euphoria.

SPEAKER_01 25:01

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:03

Thoughts.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

It's gonna be fucked up.

SPEAKER_04 25:07

The new season of Euphoria came out. For those of you who don't know what we're talking about, go watch Euphoria.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

If you haven't, uh let me preface this for you guys. It is kind of fucked up the first season.

SPEAKER_04 25:23

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

Because there's a lot of sex and nudity in it. And the fucked up part about it is they're playing high school.

SPEAKER_04 25:32

Uh Jordan hates that. Jordan hates when he's watching a show and there's naked girls or there's sex and they're supposed to be high schoolers. I mean valid.

SPEAKER_01 25:41

Valid. It's weird. Even though I know they're a like, of course I'm gonna look at Sydney Sweeney's boobs. Come on. But like the fact that she's supposed to be a 17-year-old senior in high school makes it a little weird.

SPEAKER_04 25:56

I agree. That's a green flag that you think that's weird.

SPEAKER_01 26:01

So just giving the people a warning, that's what happens in the first season.

SPEAKER_04 26:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:08

And there's gays and trans, and it's it's there's a it's a lot to unpack.

SPEAKER_04 26:13

There it's a lot to unpack.

SPEAKER_01 26:14

Drugs. There's yeah. Yeah. It's good.

SPEAKER_04 26:18

It is good.

SPEAKER_01 26:19

It is good. I enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_04 26:21

You do finish an episode and you're like quiet for a while and then you Yeah, you kind of have to process like what the fuck just happened. What just happened? Like the episode last night.

SPEAKER_01 26:33

Mm-hmm. I didn't know well, I kind of called it.

SPEAKER_04 26:37

What?

SPEAKER_01 26:37

Well, I don't want to spoil or alert the people if they haven't seen it.

SPEAKER_04 26:41

Well, now I want to know what you called.

SPEAKER_01 26:44

You were sitting next to me when I called it about her per what was what she was doing.

SPEAKER_03 26:49

Rue?

SPEAKER_01 26:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:53

Ow.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

Running drugs.

SPEAKER_03 26:56

Hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 26:59

Kind of checks out for her.

SPEAKER_04 27:00

That's not a spoiler. You learned that right in the beginning.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 27:06

Um, okay, then spoilers. I bet none of you have watched the new episode yet because we don't really have lives, and you all probably have lives and you go out in the world and you do things. So spoilers.

SPEAKER_01 27:17

We just came back from a whole nother state. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_04 27:20

For a one-year-old birthday party.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

The cutest one-year-old on the planet, bro.

SPEAKER_04 27:26

True. Anyway.

SPEAKER_00 27:27

Come correct.

SPEAKER_04 27:28

I didn't really understand the dynamic between Oh my gosh, what is his name? Cassie and What's his name?

SPEAKER_03 27:41

Nate.

SPEAKER_04 27:42

Nate. There's a scene and they're at dinner together. And they have a conversation. And the whole time I was thinking, did they forget who Nate is?

SPEAKER_01 27:53

Yeah, they made him kind of well, did you hear me say like he's kind of a pussy?

SPEAKER_04 27:57

Yeah. I was just confused because he was like trying to put pieces together of are they I don't know. Everyone watched the episode, let me know what you thought.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

I figured he'd be way more controlling. Yeah. Because how he was with Maddie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:20

Yeah. I don't know. That was strange. That dynamic was strange. I did like that there's another character that you assume is gonna go be a bad bitch. And she kind of I mean she is, but she even isn't she's like hardly making any money and kind of her life on Instagram is way better than her actual real life.

SPEAKER_01 28:47

Yeah, I think that's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_04 28:49

Yeah, so I liked that. That felt relatable.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

Yeah, this one should be different because it's five years post them high school. So you can look at them naked now.

SPEAKER_04 29:03

Yeah. We didn't get nope, that's too much of a spoiler.

SPEAKER_01 29:07

We almost got to see Sidney Sweeney's boobs.

SPEAKER_04 29:10

We watched Housemaid. You got to see her boobs.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

Yeah, I did. That's a fucked up show.

SPEAKER_04 29:15

You can't do any spoilers on that.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:20

Jordan didn't see it coming. I don't think anyone who hasn't read the book sees it coming.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

I did see it coming.

SPEAKER_04 29:27

After so long.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

Yeah. I seen it coming, but the tr the the breadcrumbs were already left.

SPEAKER_04 29:40

Yeah. I mean you followed the movie exactly how they wanted you to.

SPEAKER_01 29:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:46

I would have too had I not read the book.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

No, you don't.

SPEAKER_04 29:55

You're like, wow, look at this crazy bitch. Um the acting was really good though. What is her what is her name? Amanda Seyfried?

SPEAKER_01 30:06

Bro, you know I don't know that stuff.

SPEAKER_04 30:09

The wife?

SPEAKER_01 30:10

I know who you're talking about, but I don't know who she is.

SPEAKER_04 30:13

What do you mean? You knew who I was talking about, but you don't know who she is.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

I knew uh in the context that you were talking about the wife, but I don't know her name. I don't be knowing actors and actresses.

SPEAKER_04 30:27

I thought she did a really good job. That was all I was trying to say. You are a hater though.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

Why?

SPEAKER_04 30:33

Because you make fun of me for knowing all these actors and actresses.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

Yeah, but that's your lane. Like I could tell you almost every single golfer on the PGA tour. Or like anybody on the Dallas Cowboys or even in the NFL or the NBA. But I couldn't tell you who actors and actresses are.

SPEAKER_04 30:53

Like you couldn't tell me who Paul Feeg is.

SPEAKER_01 30:55

Yeah, I know. No quote, does he eat figs?

SPEAKER_04 30:59

What did you say? You don't know who he figs.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

No, does he eat figs?

SPEAKER_04 31:03

Does he eat figs? Probably.

SPEAKER_01 31:05

Fig Newtons.

SPEAKER_04 31:06

We probably do.

SPEAKER_01 31:08

Yeah, I don't know. That's not my that's not my lane dog.

SPEAKER_04 31:11

That's okay.

SPEAKER_01 31:12

You know what else uh we need to talk about? I've had a freaking ingrown arrow on the inside of my.

SPEAKER_04 31:17

Oh my god, we don't need to talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

Five days, and every time I sit down, it hurts. I tried to tell Ash to pop it and she wouldn't do it.

SPEAKER_04 31:26

Because there's nothing to do.

SPEAKER_01 31:27

I was like, you need to dig the hair out of my leg.

SPEAKER_04 31:30

It's I'm gonna have to literally slice your leg open. It is not like a popable. No.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

I would love that because it hurts.

SPEAKER_04 31:38

Oh my gosh, you guys.

SPEAKER_01 31:40

It's got its own gravity.

SPEAKER_04 31:45

It's so large.

SPEAKER_01 31:50

It's graduated to a boil, I think.

SPEAKER_04 31:52

I don't know how to help you. Keep putting the heat.

SPEAKER_01 31:56

Clearly, you don't know how to help me.

SPEAKER_04 31:58

Well, one, I can't slice you open. I will pass out.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

Sit down.

SPEAKER_04 32:03

How will that help us in this situation? Now you just have an open wound on your leg and I'm passed out.

SPEAKER_01 32:08

Well. I kept squeezing it and that made it work.

SPEAKER_04 32:12

I told you to stop squeezing it.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

ChatGBD said, You're forcing the infection deeper into your leg.

SPEAKER_04 32:19

Yeah, you are. Because you haven't stopped fucking with it.

SPEAKER_01 32:23

Yeah. And if I I might die.

SPEAKER_04 32:25

I hope your mom's listening to this right now and she calls you and she says She's the one I learned it from.

SPEAKER_01 32:30

What? She used to get ingrown hairs and she would like she would like dig them out and they would be like an inch long. They were growing still.

SPEAKER_04 32:37

There's a difference under the between if yours had a white head, it there's nothing there to pop. It's just a red bump under your skin.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

I want you to get the hair out of it.

SPEAKER_04 32:49

There's how?

SPEAKER_01 32:51

With a needle.

SPEAKER_04 32:52

Oh my goodness gracious.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

I don't know. Be resourceful.

SPEAKER_04 32:56

You be resourceful. All you've done is complain and try to pop it.

SPEAKER_01 33:00

Well, the problem is, is even with my glasses, I can't get my face close enough to my leg to see where the hair's at.

SPEAKER_04 33:12

I'm right here and I can't see it.

SPEAKER_01 33:13

I'm not that flexible. I can't like contort to get my leg. It's like in the inside of my thigh, you know? I can't bend like that.

SPEAKER_04 33:22

Fine. We will go look at your ingrown hair after this podcast. Yeah, we will. Why are you smirking like that?

SPEAKER_01 33:31

Because it's gonna feel so good.

SPEAKER_04 33:33

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 33:34

That baby's going out of my leg.

SPEAKER_04 33:37

If it's not one thing, it's another with you. My back hurts. My ingrown hair.

SPEAKER_01 33:43

My ears hurt. At least I can bend over without throwing up.

SPEAKER_04 33:51

Damn. Called out.

SPEAKER_01 33:54

I learned this weekend that Sam is a better husband as for a pregnant lady than I am. How? Because Sam just is like, yes. He's like a yes dear. He's smarter about it. He knows how to avoid the fight. See now I'm just dumb on that side, and I what it when it comes to my brain, I say it.

SPEAKER_04 34:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:23

Yeah. And then and I'm glad I heard that my brother's the same.

SPEAKER_04 34:29

Tyson? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:30

Taylor was like, Your brother did the same thing.

SPEAKER_04 34:35

Just says whatever comes to your heads.

SPEAKER_01 34:38

Mm-hmm. And like not helpful shit either.

SPEAKER_04 34:41

Sam might have an upper hand because he grew up with two sisters.

SPEAKER_01 34:44

That's what he said.

SPEAKER_04 34:45

He said, I grew up with sisters, and I was like, And he's been with your sister for a long time now, so he knows better. And no offense, Jasmine, I know you're listening to this, but she's a little meaner than me.

SPEAKER_01 34:57

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 34:58

Okay, touche. I think she has more spice in her than me.

SPEAKER_01 35:02

Yeah, I think I'm less afraid of her than you.

SPEAKER_04 35:05

Well, that's your sister. She's spicy. I cry. She is spicy. She's spicy.

SPEAKER_01 35:13

She is spicy, don't get me wrong.

SPEAKER_04 35:15

So he's had to learn to navigate.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

You scare me more than she's scared.

SPEAKER_04 35:20

See, like, I start crying where she would probably have a retort.

SPEAKER_01 35:26

Yeah, she might punch you too. Potentially.

SPEAKER_04 35:32

Um, should we read some stories? I have Okay, I have some options. We can either read a Reddit story or essential questions couples should discuss before having a baby.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

I guess we could do that. Do we not have a baby update for the people, do we?

SPEAKER_04 35:51

I mean, other than I bend over and throw up a little bit now? No.

SPEAKER_01 35:54

You went to the doctor though.

SPEAKER_04 35:56

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 35:57

Didn't you?

SPEAKER_04 35:58

My glucose test is coming up. Yeah, when do you have to do that? May 7th.

SPEAKER_01 36:04

Have you heard horror stories? Um, I mean, yeah, but I don't Don't people say it's disgusting and makes them nauseous.

SPEAKER_04 36:11

So my doctor was like, I know you've heard all types of things, want to be heard, and I was like, I've just heard people don't enjoy it. And he's like, I think that people complain about the three-hour test, and then now it's all just grouped into one.

SPEAKER_01 36:28

What is the three-hour test?

SPEAKER_04 36:30

If you fail the first glucose test, you have to take the three-hour glucose test.

SPEAKER_01 36:36

Oh, yeah, no, that sounds like a problem.

SPEAKER_04 36:37

Yeah. You have to stay at the doctor's office or the hospital for three hours. That sounds terrible.

SPEAKER_01 36:45

What happens if you like how I don't know anything about this? Then make sure you don't have diabetes.

SPEAKER_04 36:55

Yeah, let's look, let's ask chat real quick.

SPEAKER_01 36:59

Be careful, because uh I use I tried to use chat today to help me with uh training that I was doing, and I had like I watched a video and I tried to I use Chat GPT to help me with the test after my training. And the annoying thing is is it lets you test out of the trainings, but if you don't watch the videos and you just go and try and test out, you have to get an 80 or a 90%. Whereas if you watch the video first and then you take the test, you only have to get a 70 to pass. These videos are like an hour.

SPEAKER_04 37:39

Cool story, bro. What's the point of this with ChatGPT?

SPEAKER_01 37:42

I used it to help me take the test to test out of it so I didn't have to watch the videos, and it got me a 69%. So I had to watch the fucking videos.

SPEAKER_04 37:52

Okay, so this is a prime example of why people don't always trust chat. No, but that's common knowledge right now, bro.

SPEAKER_01 38:00

Well, I know, but I was like, maybe it knows some other things.

SPEAKER_04 38:04

I thought you learned a lesson when you were trying to do math on this wall and it was wrong.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

Well, I don't trust it all all the time, but I didn't know the answers either, and I wanted to test out of it.

SPEAKER_04 38:14

I utilize Google.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

So I was like, hey bro, help me out.

SPEAKER_04 38:17

Unless it's a quick question like this, because I find it's easier when it's a quick question like this than having to go to Google and then it gives you the websites, and then you kind of you have to do a little more searching there, but Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:29

Maybe I should switch to what's the other one called? Uh, what's Joe Rogan's? He always says it in this fucking and our and our sponsor perplexity. Jamie, put that in our sponsor perplexity.

SPEAKER_04 38:44

Okay, what's the point of the glucose test? Gestational diabetes.

SPEAKER_01 38:50

Yeah, I knew that part.

SPEAKER_04 38:51

How your body breaks down sugar, releases insulin, bring your blood sugar back down. This test tracks if your body is doing that properly. The basic version drink the glucose drink, wait an hour, get your blood drawn. Are you? So that's what I'll do.

SPEAKER_01 39:09

So he told me, well Or are you supposed to drink it an hour before you show up to your Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:15

So he told me I can eat breakfast still. He said, if you have your appointment at the same time you had your appointment today, you can still eat breakfast at the same time you eat breakfast. Drink the drink. On the drink it says 40 minutes, but everything else has said an hour. An hour before you're you get here. And then we'll draw your blood. It's super common to need the second test. Hate that. Hate that information.

SPEAKER_01 39:42

Don't always trust chat remember.

SPEAKER_04 39:45

Well, I've been wondering because Whitney Simmons, the girl, the I know who she is. I don't know how it happened, but I'm pregnant. She had to take the three-hour glucose test, and she's a health and fitness coach. So I've been wondering, hmm.

SPEAKER_01 40:03

But this is what I don't know. Why does being pregnant give you gestational diabetes? Because your body is slinging that energy to the baby or to grow the baby, or what?

SPEAKER_04 40:18

Please hold. It's not actually about you doing anything wrong. Pregnancy itself changes how your body handles sugar. During pregnancy, your placenta releases hormones that help your baby grow. But those same hormones can make you more insulin resistant.

SPEAKER_01 40:37

I think you're fine because you'd be eating so much chocolate mousse that's basically just melted sugar.

SPEAKER_04 40:47

I know what I want it right now.

SPEAKER_01 40:49

With whipped cream that's homemade with also sugar. So I think you're you should be good.

SPEAKER_04 40:54

Bottom line, pregnancy basically puts your metabolism on quotes hard mode. And gestational diabetes just means your body needs a little help keeping things balanced.

SPEAKER_01 41:04

So what do they do if you have it?

SPEAKER_04 41:06

Oh goodness.

SPEAKER_01 41:10

Did you not ask the doctor these questions?

SPEAKER_04 41:12

Well, I know from Or did you black out? I didn't ask because I'm gonna pass.

SPEAKER_01 41:19

According to chat, you're probably gonna have to take a second one.

SPEAKER_04 41:22

Oh no. You monitor your blood sugar with a small finger prick at home, usually four times a day. We are not failing this test.

SPEAKER_01 41:33

Okay, but like what do they do? You monitor your blood and they just watch you?

SPEAKER_04 41:37

Mm-hmm. I'd have to be on a special diet. I'd be no more chocolate mousse.

SPEAKER_01 41:43

You maybe you should slow down on now. You're gonna give yourself the betas.

SPEAKER_04 41:47

Oh no. Brandy had it. We're gonna we're gonna close out of that. That's not gonna happen to me.

SPEAKER_01 41:57

Also, I didn't ask you. Well, you didn't tell me. Did he say anything about the results from our No. Anatomy scan?

SPEAKER_04 42:07

No.

SPEAKER_01 42:07

Our place we took a See, this is why I need to be there.

SPEAKER_04 42:11

The place we took the anatomy scan hadn't even sent over it to our doctor yet.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

That was m almost a month ago.

SPEAKER_04 42:18

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 42:19

She said a week.

SPEAKER_04 42:20

Yeah, yeah, Poro, be ready in a week. So he said that he would get back to me in two days. I'm assuming because I haven't heard from him, everything is fine. I haven't gotten a message on my app, I haven't gotten a phone call.

SPEAKER_01 42:39

Some themes, if you want things done right, you just gotta do it yourself.

SPEAKER_04 42:42

Yeah. Do the anatomy scan and send it to the doctor.

SPEAKER_01 42:46

I could have. I seen all the angles.

SPEAKER_04 42:49

Oh my god. You not you didn't even use proper English in that sentence right now.

SPEAKER_01 42:54

I used all the angles. What do you mean? Plus, you don't need to use proper English to move a thing around.

SPEAKER_04 43:02

Her job looked hard, so I don't know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 43:05

No, her job looks so hard.

SPEAKER_04 43:07

That I literally said, wow, this looks really difficult because I have no idea what we're looking at right now.

SPEAKER_01 43:14

Yeah. She was like, oh, look at here, this is this. And I was like, no. And then she's like, oh, you see? I'm like, oh, yeah. Totally, totally. That's a kidney. Yeah. That's definitely the aorta. See that?

SPEAKER_04 43:29

Okay. My partner and I are thinking about having a baby, and we want to make sure we agree on big stuff. What key questions should we consider to be ready for this step? Please, for the love of God, discuss punishments. That was a mistake we didn't discuss beforehand. My husband was a believer in spanking, and I don't believe in physical harm for punishment. Punishment.

SPEAKER_01 43:54

Sometimes that kid needs a little splot smack on the booty booty.

SPEAKER_04 43:58

You guys were all kind of talking about that this weekend. A little bit.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

Yeah, we were. You know what? I got raised with some spankins and looking back, I probably deserved them. All of them.

SPEAKER_04 44:11

I don't know if I ever got spanked.

SPEAKER_01 44:13

You know, my dad only spanked me one time in my entire life.

SPEAKER_04 44:17

Why? Do you remember why?

SPEAKER_01 44:20

Because I was not I think I was like disrespecting my grandma or something. I don't really remember. But I remember it only took me one time and the next time I would never anytime my dad said something, I did it. It wasn't even hard. But he you know what he would do? He would fucking flick us like with his big old fat fingers right in the middle of our forehead. And that shit hurt. It would like wake you up. What the hell?

SPEAKER_04 44:52

I actually don't know what I'm gonna do for punishment.

SPEAKER_01 44:55

My mom spanked me a lot because I pushed her buttons a lot.

SPEAKER_04 45:00

I could see that because I wish I could spank you.

SPEAKER_01 45:03

Yeah, I would just tell you what I told her. That's all you got.

unknown 45:07

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 45:08

Our kid is gonna be difficult. And I don't know how I'm gonna punish.

SPEAKER_01 45:14

I haven't I mean I think you could definitely overdo it.

unknown 45:18

Damn.

SPEAKER_04 45:19

I don't know. In my Bible study, they kind of talked about it with your words. But your dad was just saying you need to have a tone of voice.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:30

And I was thinking, yeah, that's easy for a dad, because Got the dad voice. The dad voice.

SPEAKER_01 45:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:37

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know the answer to that question.

SPEAKER_01 45:40

And how he was like, you need to be assertive because your kids are gonna get to a point where they're gonna try and push you and you have to stay like firm and not let them because once that happens, like then they're just gonna keep pushing you and pushing you around.

SPEAKER_04 45:56

If our kid isn't anything like you, I'm gonna get pushed off an edge because you push me.

SPEAKER_01 46:02

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:02

Don't push me, because I'm close to the edge.

SPEAKER_01 46:06

Lucky for you, it'll be a girl.

SPEAKER_04 46:08

How is that lucky?

SPEAKER_01 46:09

Uh well, it's only lucky for you until she's like twelve. And then you're screwed.

SPEAKER_03 46:18

Moving on.

SPEAKER_04 46:24

Consequences versus punishments. Kids get punished for being bad. They face consequences for making bad choices. Some consequences come naturally. Parents fill in the gaps when they don't.

SPEAKER_01 46:39

Was that a question or a statement?

SPEAKER_04 46:41

Like a statement. I thought it would give me an idea of how I'm going to punish, but it did not. Okay, question. Are we having a child because we want to bring another person into the world, raise them and watch them grow as individuals? Or are we wanting a child because it feels like the next step in the relationship or external pressure?

SPEAKER_01 47:06

I bet the latter happens often. And those are the people to get divorced.

SPEAKER_03 47:12

Ooh. True.

SPEAKER_01 47:17

Because they're like, oh, we're married, we bought the house. Like, now I guess we're supposed to have kids.

SPEAKER_04 47:22

Yeah, fill it with some kids. We had to go through a lot to get here. So even if in our original decision to have kids was because it was a next step, which it wasn't.

SPEAKER_03 47:36

Yeah, we went on a detour.

SPEAKER_04 47:38

Yeah. We had to we had to fight for this. So if it was still for external pressure fulfilling a next step, that'd be crazy. Religion. My ex, who was brought up Catholic, but told me she was a non-believer. Guess who all of a sudden is religious again after our kids were born?

SPEAKER_01 47:58

Well, I feel like that could make you get back into your faith.

SPEAKER_04 48:05

That happened to a friend of mine. She married a Mormon, but when they were dating, he wasn't religious and he didn't care about any of that stuff. She's covered in tattoos and not religious at all. Got married, and then suddenly he wanted to go back into his faith.

SPEAKER_01 48:23

How's that working out?

SPEAKER_04 48:25

Hey, they've been married 10 years.

SPEAKER_01 48:27

Good for them.

SPEAKER_04 48:27

But are best separating now, so not great. That's actually the main source of their contention, too.

SPEAKER_01 48:38

Yeah, I think that's a hard one. Because I think I don't know, you kind of go through a hard situation or you see like life being created and it kind of makes you think about things a little bit. Yeah. Maybe that brings that's what brings people back to their faith.

SPEAKER_04 48:57

We came to religion before we had the baby. That's kind of funny though, because that's kind of what happened to us. Going through this whole thing brought us to the Lord.

SPEAKER_01 49:06

The whole IBS stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:09

Finances. Are you on the same page about what you'll be spending on children? On what sacrifices each of you are willing to make? Money can be one of the biggest sources of conflict and resentment in any marriage. And adding kids to the mix just raises the stakes. If one of you is concerned with saving for kids as futures, and the other wants to spend like you have no responsibilities, this will be a problem. This was a problem with my ex-husband. And it never goes well. Why are you staring at me like what you got? Like what's my answer?

SPEAKER_03 49:45

Yeah, you got anything for that?

SPEAKER_04 49:48

Um I might be both of them. I wanted to save money and also spend without concern.

SPEAKER_01 49:59

Spend it. Spend it. Get them golf lessons to pay for your future.

SPEAKER_04 50:05

Oh my goodness. Are we gonna have a college fund?

SPEAKER_01 50:13

We'll see how Expensive the World continues to keep being. Because I feel like I well, I n I make more money right now than I ever have ever in my entire life. And sometimes I feel like I had more money when I was like 24 and feeling like I was broke. But I also didn't have a like mortgage and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 50:37

That sounds like a J. Cole song. But yeah, our life is more expensive now.

SPEAKER_01 50:41

Yeah, I know, and that's what I'm saying. Like, we're gonna have some babies, so like well, we'll see if we can afford to budget for that college fund. Shoot by the time they go to college, college might not be a thing anymore.

SPEAKER_04 50:54

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 50:58

Just saying. Old ChatGPT is gonna be like, you don't need to go to school.

SPEAKER_04 51:02

It just failed a test for you, so that there it's early. It's early for us. The top 1% has had AI for a long time.

SPEAKER_01 51:13

Bro, I'm saying give it another 20 years. Scary. It's already making videos you can't tell are fake or not.

SPEAKER_04 51:24

I mean, if not college, a down payment on a house would be helpful to a tiny human. That would be helpful. That would be so helpful. I just saw a whole post about it. This family saved $100,000 for their kid to put down on a house.

SPEAKER_03 51:39

Just for them.

SPEAKER_04 51:41

I know. It's really a good help to the kid. Division of labor. Is one of you staying home with the baby, or are you both going to continue working? Which things do you want to share equal responsibility for and which will fall on just one of you? Talk through how you can support each other as parents and make sure neither of you feels like you're in it alone.

SPEAKER_01 52:01

See, I feel like this topic could be hard.

SPEAKER_04 52:07

This will be our problem.

SPEAKER_01 52:09

Yeah. Because I don't know if y'all know how much daycare is. It's not cheap. Found that out. I actually just had a guy that quit my work to stay at home.

SPEAKER_04 52:29

Shut up.

SPEAKER_01 52:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 52:31

What's his wife doing? Why is it him?

SPEAKER_01 52:33

Not that I think that men should his wife make more money.

SPEAKER_04 52:37

What does she do though?

SPEAKER_01 52:38

I don't exactly know.

SPEAKER_04 52:41

Details! Come on, man.

SPEAKER_01 52:42

I don't know what she does exactly, but I think her work sells things to my con.

SPEAKER_04 52:48

Okay. Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 52:50

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 52:50

Damn, and now he how many kids do they have?

SPEAKER_01 52:53

Just one.

SPEAKER_04 52:54

Fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 52:57

I think they also have a rental property, too.

SPEAKER_04 53:00

Hmm. Like I think. Is he sad about it or excited?

SPEAKER_01 53:03

I think he's excited. I think they both had a house and then they got married and then they kept both of the houses and moved into one and rented one out. Hmm. Something like that. Huh. So I think I mean they're gonna be alright. Obviously, he wouldn't have done it if they weren't.

SPEAKER_04 53:19

But it is interesting. Daycare's expensive.

SPEAKER_00 53:23

Daycare is expensive.

unknown 53:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 53:27

I don't know. The vision of labor. That's actually gonna be our issue because it's already our issue in our marriage. I think that's the only thing that really creates contention between us.

SPEAKER_01 53:36

Well, because you get mad at me for not doing chores.

SPEAKER_04 53:39

Mm-hmm. Just because we're different, I'm still learning to live with a boy.

SPEAKER_01 53:47

I feel like women don't count outside chores as chores.

SPEAKER_04 53:51

Oh my gosh, that's not even it. We're just different, and I'm learning to accept it. I walk into our house and I can immediately see things that need to be done, and I do them. You walk into our house, and it's as if those things do not exist.

SPEAKER_01 54:06

Yeah, they're not going nowhere.

SPEAKER_04 54:08

And you do not do them.

SPEAKER_01 54:10

You got time.

SPEAKER_04 54:12

It's just different perspectives, boy, girl. Which is fine, except I can see that it will be an issue when we have a tiny human because tiny human's gonna live off of me.

SPEAKER_01 54:24

Oh yeah, and I'm gonna probably come in and be like, oh, let's play with the baby.

SPEAKER_04 54:28

Well, I'm gonna be like I'm just gonna need you to pick up some of the slack because my OCD and the cleanliness of our house is gonna be a thing for me.

SPEAKER_00 54:39

I'll do my best. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 54:42

Stuff I wouldn't have known to talk about. How much time do we have lived? Hot dog, it's almost been an hour.

SPEAKER_01 54:49

We have as much time as we want.

SPEAKER_04 54:53

Okay, stuff I wouldn't have known to talk about. Share how each of you were raised in detail, how punishment slash consequences were handled, the role each parent had in your lives, how your parents showed love and affection, discuss how you want to be like your own parents and how you want to do things differently. This is especially especially important if any of the grandparents will be around with your children so you know what you want to encourage or discourage from them as well.

SPEAKER_03 55:31

Wait.

SPEAKER_01 55:32

I was just I was I was just thinking.

SPEAKER_03 55:34

What?

SPEAKER_01 55:35

I'm just trying to think if there's like anything in there that I needed to fill that I felt like I needed to say. I don't remember a lot of my childhood, so honestly, my parents did a pretty good job, and they're both different people now, too. So I trust both of them. They're all grown-ups now.

SPEAKER_04 56:08

They've matured nicely.

SPEAKER_01 56:10

They were kids when I was born. I don't remember. Your parents were kids too.

SPEAKER_04 56:15

Yeah. They matured. My dad. I'm gonna just I'm gonna say my dad's matured well, but then I don't want to talk about my mom, so we're just gonna skirt around this question. This is why I'm in therapy. Anyways, what are your hopes and dreams for your children? What does your ideal future look like with children in it? How willing are you to adjust to that picture to fit in the personalities of your children you actually end up having?

SPEAKER_01 56:50

Oh, I just assume a lot of time at the golf course.

SPEAKER_04 56:54

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 56:55

And then Sienna's gonna let us travel around the world as she makes it on the LPGA.

SPEAKER_04 57:03

Love that for her and for you.

SPEAKER_01 57:06

Yeah, that'd be great.

SPEAKER_04 57:09

I don't know. I don't really have hopes and dreams for my I guess I do. My hopes and dreams for my kids is internal love for themselves. So like the things I have aren't outward. Like I don't care what they become or who they love, but I'm more concerned about how much they love themselves and their confidence instilled within them and them knowing who they are and having morals and values within them. That's more of my concerns.

SPEAKER_01 57:46

Honestly.

SPEAKER_04 57:47

And don't be a stripper. I can't help.

SPEAKER_01 57:49

If they're healthy and happy, it's all right.

SPEAKER_04 57:51

Don't be a stripper and don't fight MMA.

SPEAKER_01 57:54

Ooh, yeah. What if Sienna wants to fight?

SPEAKER_04 57:57

No.

SPEAKER_01 57:59

Baby, that's good for her to be in jujitsu.

SPEAKER_04 58:02

Yeah, that's fine, but I can't.

SPEAKER_01 58:03

No boys will fuck with her.

SPEAKER_04 58:05

I can't watch my kid get knocked out. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 58:08

Like Macy Barber. I mean, thought she was dead.

SPEAKER_04 58:11

Oh, yeah. Two weeks ago? Three weeks ago? Nope. Don't want that. Don't want that.

SPEAKER_01 58:17

Maybe she doesn't do MMA, but she can do jujitsu. Or wrestling even.

SPEAKER_04 58:23

I'm getting sweaty thinking about this. Okay. What approach do you want to take to discipline? What behavior do you each consider worthy of discipline?

SPEAKER_01 58:34

Disrespect.

SPEAKER_04 58:35

Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 58:38

Disrespect. We're not going to be disrespectful in this house.

SPEAKER_04 58:41

I don't really want a lot of talking back either.

SPEAKER_01 58:43

None of uh that falls under disrespect.

SPEAKER_04 58:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 58:48

Yeah. No back talk.

SPEAKER_04 58:51

Just a giant umbrella of don't fuck with me.

SPEAKER_01 58:54

That's not gonna happen. I will probably be leading the charge of fucking with you, so you are? I'm just saying I fuck with you a lot, so the kids will probably have to s the kids will probably see that, so I probably need to tone that down. Oh, because they're gonna be like, it's okay to fuck with mom.

SPEAKER_04 59:11

I'm glad you're noticing this because I think about it.

SPEAKER_01 59:15

Well, I really like to push your buttons.

SPEAKER_04 59:21

And then you yell at me when I get mad at you and have attitude.

SPEAKER_01 59:25

Well, yeah, because then you start yelling, and I'm like, we don't need to yell. I know I just made you really angry, but the joy of pushing your buttons is getting the rise out of you. But then sometimes it goes too far. And you get real mad. I did it's okay. I did it to my mom too, I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_04 59:50

That's why she beat your ass.

SPEAKER_01 59:52

Yeah, she did. She bit my ass good one time. In front of Jordan Snow.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:01

You got beat up by your mom in front of your friends.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:04

Yeah, when I was a teenager.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:06

What are your own issues and shortcomings that you want to make sure don't negatively affect your children?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:12

I think I just said it.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:17

Teaching them how to annoy them. Okay, actually, we both had one in this scenario. You being you in that, and then me reacting. Yeah. I react sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:27

Yeah, sometimes.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:32

I react and I don't have I wish I had more self-confidence in myself. Therapy. We're working on it.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:41

Did you hear that?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:42

The dogs?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:44

They're playing.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:45

Sounds like they're killing each other.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:47

They're not killing each other. I got one quick story just because I'm curious how you will handle this situation.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:55

My daughter didn't get invited to a birthday party. I just cried in my car. She's almost four. She's four almost five, just friendly and happy and wants to be friends with everyone. This morning all the girls in class were showing off their nails that they did at a party over the weekend. The girl in question didn't invite my daughter. And they're pretty good friends. Even the teachers were talking about the party and asking all the girls how they liked it. God, I was so sad. This is the second party she didn't get invited to. And like she's friends with all these girls, or so I thought. I know I have no right to dictate who comes to the party, but I'm so sad and mad about this. Not everyone will like her, and she will be left out, and all I can do is pour confidence and love into her. But man, like now I secretly have beef with a four-year-old and her parents. And this isn't logical, just petty, but I'm the room mom, and the amount of times I've helped this girl, she's very sweet, actually. No one's fault. I'm just sad for my sweet, happy little girl.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:02

That's rude.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:03

What would you do?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:06

So sounds like they got their nails done at the party.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:10

I'll take my daughter and we would go to the best fanciest nail lady.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:14

I think the thing I'm curious is how how do you handle like what's the conversation between you and her? I mean she comes home and she's telling you this story.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:24

I'll tell you, well, let's go.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:26

Yeah, but she's like, why didn't I get invited?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:29

What's wrong with me? Because people are mean. Some people are just mean. And you can't like let mean people affect you like that. It's okay to be sad and have your feelings hurt, but you can't control other people's actions like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:46

That feeling of being left out stays with you.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:50

Yeah. I don't know how exactly I would handle it. Me either. I would try, I would comfort her. I'd be like, we're going to get your nails done right now, and they're gonna be so cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:04

You can show all your friends at school how cool your nails are.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:07

It just sucks because this feels really heavy. This is a lot in one tiny little post. Because the mom's upset.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:16

But maybe the daughter's not as upset as the mom is.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:20

You don't think. I'm just thinking, I bet she's like, why didn't I get invited? What's wrong with me?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:27

Now, if it was like every girl in the class got invited and she was the only one that didn't get invited.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:33

That's what it said.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:34

So she was the only one?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:35

Yes. What? Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:40

Okay, that's the parents then.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:42

Let's read. I think that's what the comments say.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:44

Because if you're gonna invite all the kids in the class, you need to invite all the kids in the class.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:49

It said all the girls in class were showing off their nails, and even the teachers were discussing their nails with them.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:00

So she's the only one.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:01

That's the parents. That's shame on the parents.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:05

First comment. They're four or five. I think at that age the inviting process is handled at least heavily directed by the parents. So you may have a parent problem, not a child problem.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:18

Or maybe it was an accident and they just didn't give her uh her invitation.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:24

It might have been an oversight. At that age, kids can't coordinate handing out invites or passing information. I recently threw a party for my daughter and just by chance bumped into a mom who did an RSVP and turned out she didn't get the invite. Also, I had another reach mom reach out to me as I hadn't r responded and same thing. Never got the invite.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:50

Yeah. Maybe I'll just talk to the parents. Maybe I would just lie to my daughter. It seems like terrible. They've you were invited. They just the mail lady for lost the your invitation in the mail.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:05

And then she goes to school and she's like, I know you invited me. My invite must have got lost in the mail. And then the other girl's like, no, I didn't.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:13

And punch her in the nose.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:14

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:16

That MMA training is going to come in handy.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:21

These are things we need to think about. Having little girls a lot. I don't I mean this would hurt a little boy's feelings too, but girls internalize more than boys do.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:33

I she's just gonna be the coolest, so we won't have to worry everyone a lot.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:38

I mean, that's what you'd want, right? But your child's also half me, and you tell me I'm not cool all the time.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:45

Oh, you know, kind of a dork.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:49

Oh my gosh. That's all I have. That was a long one.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:56

These jeans are strong, she'll be alright.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:00

You're gonna carry the whole team.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:01

Yeah, someone's gonna have to.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:04

I still fall downstairs at the age of thirty-three, so our kids screwed.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:14

No, she's not.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:16

Aww.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:17

She's gonna be just fine. I got this.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:24

Alright, sign us off so they can all go back to their lives.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:27

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