Ep.024 - The Truth About the Manosphere: Why Men Aren’t Weak. They’re Lost

Men aren’t weak right now, they’re just searching.

Searching for direction. Searching for purpose. Searching for someone to show them what it actually means to become a man and that’s exactly why the manosphere is growing so fast.

In this episode, we unpack the truth behind it all. The good, the bad, and the parts no one talks about. Because while it can offer direction… it often lacks depth.

We dive into:
- Why so many men feel lost in modern life
- The rise of online role models (and why that can be dangerous)
- The trap of chasing external validation
- What real masculinity actually looks like
- And the 7 virtues that build strong, grounded men

This conversation isn’t about blaming, it’s about building. If you’re ready to stop consuming and start becoming, this one’s for you.

No excuses.
No limits.
Let’s go.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:04

Back in the lab, Mr. Casey Rayhana. So welcome to Beyond Limits, the podcast where we dump deeper. We push further and we go. We are now at episode 24. You know he jacked it up. You know who ejected. 24? Don't pull me up.

SPEAKER_02 0:31

Don't put me up.

SPEAKER_00 0:34

My name's Jordan. My name's Casey. And look, obviously, we're beyond limits, and we've got a very uh I would say it's a controversial topic at the moment. Uh there's a Netflix documentary blowing up, obviously on Netflix, and it's all about the manosphere and the rise of so-called uh influences in the manosphere that are actually pushing out a lot of I would say misinformation to our youth and to a lot of our young men. I would say the key demographic would be anywhere from 12 to 25 would be the biggest range. Um, and I think it's very important to talk about it. Casey and myself are both men, obviously, and I would say we were raised as uh good men, Casey. Would you say we're not the best we're well we're not the best at times, like anyone, we make mistakes, but I think it's an important topic to to talk about, and uh I reckon we should just dive straight into it. But uh, have you seen the documentary yet, Casey?

SPEAKER_01 1:34

I have not seen it, no, bro. I haven't bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

Bro, what the hell, man?

SPEAKER_01 1:38

What the hell, bro? Time to sit down and watch TV, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:43

I do actually, but I haven't seen it, no. That's all right, bro. Well, look, it's I think it's it's something you'll be able to talk about anyway. Like, in the in essence, it's the battle for masculinity, really. That's how I would perceive it, in terms of if you look around now, that I'll actually ask you a question. It's like, how often do you hear about masculinity, toxic masculinity? What is a man? What is a man?

SPEAKER_01 2:06

Yeah, well, you hear toxic masculinity a lot. Yeah, it's just a term that gets thrown around. I don't actually, you're probably better to speak on it than me, but where it actually originates from, what it comes from. But um, I know we like I don't really like the term, I don't really believe in it. It's time, it's silly. Like, there's like even toxic femininity, like that's just stupid as well. There's there's um there's good men and there's good men who make bad decisions or have bad behavior, and that's what they label toxic masculinity as. 100%. Um, well, that's my belief anyway. And yeah, I don't know. What's that's kind of kind of my thoughts on like toxic masculinity, um, especially now. Like, I know you do a lot of work with schools and stuff, and you kind of hear that get driven into the the younger generation, and they grow up believing that that's their like I start labeling people certain things, and like this is this is about masculinity mostly or the manosphere, but you know, people get labeled certain things when they are younger, even like ADHD. Yeah, and then you start saying, Oh, you're ADHD, you're diagnosed ADHD, and then they start believing that story in their head, and they start acting and like you're making those things come truer and truer and truer, and it's the same with toxic masculinity, start labeling these young men as toxic men, and then they start believing that, and then that's how they act and behave.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

100%, bro. And oh man, you've just nailed that. Like, and I think it's you you've brought up a really important point, and it and like you said, it's after being in schools, and you see it on Instagram, you see it all over social media. The more you keep hammering something like Tox Masculinion, when I'm gonna be straight up to be honest, it's bullshit. Like, it's one of the biggest like shittest lines I've ever heard, or statements, or whatever you're gonna call it, and it just weaponizes masculinity, it weaponizes men against each other. More importantly, it weaponizes men and women against each other, which the biggest battle is at the moment because if you look at men and women, we've always connected with each other, we've always needed each other, and that's where we've driven such a massive divide. And one of my biggest issues in school before we jump into this was I never heard the word toxic femininity, femininity. Yeah, that's a tricky word. Yeah, like I always just heard toxic masculinity. You know, there's two genders here, like and um and look, we're not gonna we're not gonna dive into that trap of pinning each other against each other because like I firmly believe it takes it's gonna take both genders to to work with each other. More importantly, it's gonna take good men to bring the balance back uh in regards to young men. Um just because you know when we dive into the top the topic of the manosphere, you know, a lot of young men aren't bad. And you know, they're not they're not naturally bad people, they just have lack of leadership, and that's one thing that I've learned in the schools and working with men, and you would see it as well. And unfortunately, the ones that don't have strong role models, this is why the manosphere is getting so big. And um the problem with the manosphere is it's it's got three core um pillars, which is money, status, and women. You know, that's not what we were found on. That's not what that's not what good men were built on. You know, unfent unfortunately when you've got young men that are very lost, and I'm gonna bring the school system into this because as well, and I touched on my reel that I did the other night where it was it starts in the home. So it starts from male leadership at the home. And if there's not a strong male presence, then there's mentors, whether it be a coach, like a rugby coach or a sporting coach or something like that, that helps drive good virtues, good values into what a man should do. Unfortunately, because in the schooling system at the moment, there is a very low percentage of male teachers, uh, is is one thing I've noticed. Um, and that's actually a stat you can look it up. It's it's very low. Which a lot of these young guys, when they don't have that male presence, naturally, as a young dude, like if you don't have that presence, you would be drawn to the money, to the status, to the women, which as we can see, is creating the so-called toxicity that it's actually just bad behaviour. Yeah. If that makes sense. Yeah, I agreed 100%. Um, and case, and case, you you made a really good point. I'm gonna bring in another angle because I didn't talk about it, and I think this is really important. Casey touched on it at the start where if you're a young kid and I saw this going through schools, and it was pretty disheartening to watch, um, I saw it in primary schools as well. The the term toxic masculinity, and I watched young men get hammered from from teachers, from social media, from young women, from everything, and this is where the rises come from as well. Where because they hadn't been built up by strong role models, they will gravitate to the manosphere. It's just because where else are they supposed to go? If that makes sense, especially with the rise of social media, right? That's where everyone's looking. Oh, exactly. Like, and you look at it from a young I spoke to a lot of young kids, whether it's out the west, the north, young men, and I asked them, I said, why do you I actually asked a lot of them, um, and it's there was actually a kid out in the Grange, and I'm not gonna name him, but I just asked, I said, why do you you know what is your thought process around, you know, these guys that you follow on social media, and you know, why do you why do you follow them? And he's like, he's like, I I don't have anywhere else to go, and you know, I'm getting told I'm worthless, I'm getting told I'm useless, I'm getting told I'm toxic every day, so I don't want to feel that anymore. And these guys, you know, these guys show young men that they can be something else. And unfortunately I don't blame a lot of these young guys for going that way, to be honest. Um, and this is where we sort of need to step up, you know, as as men, as men and the good men need to come forward, and the parents need to start, you know, with the virtues, the values in the home. Um, and I did notice in a lot of schools that there was a lot of helicopter parenting and all this sort of stuff, and you know, that that's you know, these kids are gonna turn to whoever's got the power, unfortunately. So you know, we when we break it down, like I said, you've got your key virtues, you've got money, you got status. Um and we talked about having no role models. The biggest issue is is instead of the money status and the the women focus, we need to shift that into character values. So we need to build them into character values, discipline, and purpose. Now that's how we reshift the younger generation and start to work on that. What are your thoughts, brother?

SPEAKER_01 9:08

Yeah, I agree. And it's um like I'll share a bit of like my growing my childhood growing up. Um, my father left when I was pretty young. He left uh come overseas to Australia. We were still based in NZ at the time in New Zealand, and so for me, I never really had that male figure growing up. So I think um like I had a solid great mum. She was she was awesome, but she's like um she's not a male figure, right? So I never really had that male figure to kind of give me the guidance or what it looks like to become a man. Um, and she had a few partners while we were sort of growing up as kids, but never really someone that stuck around solid. Um, and then until one guy, but he's he instilled a lot into me. He was sort of my first, call him like my father figure. Um, shout out Derek, he was a good man. Um, is a good man, still here. Um he instilled like a lot of different things because I think without having that role model or father figure, that's when I started to get into a lot of trouble. Um, I sort of started hanging around the you know, a different crowd. We started doing you know, silly things, parties really young, drugs, alcohol, all that sort of stuff. Um, so not having that guidance and that sort of relating that back to kids being lost, not having that role model. Um, it's not having those virtues and values instilled into you um from a man, from a strong masculine man to be able to teach you those virtues. Yeah. Um, and that's where kind of the femininity comes into it as well. Like having a mum, she installed into me a lot of great values, don't get me wrong, um, but it wasn't on that masculine side, do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 10:42

100%, bro. Um but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

So, you know, and then that's where like now it's a whole different story. I've got a few mentors now that are actually strong, consistent, stable men, and they actually teach me a lot, a lot of things that I'd, you know, we'll talk about the gap in the game, a lot of things that I wish I knew earlier, yeah, that I'm learning now. But I'm grateful that I'm learning all of these values and virtues and character traits um now and what it takes to become a strong, solid man. Yep. Um, because I think that's missing in a lot of society.

SPEAKER_00 11:15

100%, bro. And you you you you pretty much nailed it too, because you know, there is there there comes a point in time there's there's because you haven't watched yet, but you actually nailed one point. I think me and you were very similar, where there's a guy, HS Tiki Takey, on there, he's actually got a really good mum, and um, this will make sense too. He's got a really good mum, like she can tell she did everything she could to raise him, taught him some good values, but he had an absent father. Yeah, and this is one of the key things we would talk about as well. And and he's gone down the path of misogynists, like all that crazy stuff, and just clicking. But you can see when you watch the documentary, you you can see deep down it's not really him, like you can see straight through him. Where touching on what you said, man, like I think we've had a similar upbringing, like I lost my dad really early. Um, you know, I was fortunate enough to have you know Eric as a stepdad. Um, and then you know, obviously we had rocky times with mum and him, and then they split up, and so there wasn't a there wasn't a constant, like what you said, and then it comes a point in time, and if we touch in what you said, like you've got I've had great rugby coaches and great mentors that taught me that. Eric actually taught me a lot about um you know being disciplined and having to to work my way through everything, which was something I'll always respect him for, you know, finding my way into you know, I had to catch I to get it took me hours to get to school sometimes just because he wanted to teach me, you know, you know, if you want to you want to do something, you know, or training, I was training before school, all that sort of stuff. And I remember all those lessons, like they were great lessons. And um I think it ties back to when you become an adult though. So we've covered the the kids' angle about finding the right mentors, but then there's still there's still the 20 to 25 year old guys that believe this shit, like the Manosphere stuff. Then there comes a point in time where it's like, all right, if you didn't have the mentors and you didn't have the the right um father, but you had like good mums or whatever it is, you know, then we need to teach these guys about what it really what it's about. It's about character, self-awareness, and masculine virtues, true masculine virtues, where it's like, if that makes sense, yeah. Where we would have had times in our lives where it's like, all right, this probably isn't right. Um, I can definitely say through my 20s, I was like, yeah, I'm probably not being the best man I can be. Like, I'm probably 100%, you know what I mean? I'm probably you know not being the best in my relationships, and but then there comes a point in time where it's like, all right, well, it's time to be a man. You know, what do men do? You know, they're they're courageous, they're disciplined, they're loyal, respectful, um ambitious. And you know, there you've got to have that wake-up call. You know, it's anyone who's in there, you know, that's an adult now and they're outside the house. You know, there's you've got to have a look at who you who you're following, who's in your environment, and you've got to have a look at sure things happen to you when you're growing up, but I'm gonna be honest with you, that doesn't fucking matter now. You know, that's it's about whether you turn that into power or you let it define you. And unfortunately, a lot of our generation now have a massive victim mentality, both genders. Um, you know, this isn't just and entitlement and a victim mentality, and that's what's driving a lot of society's biggest problems. That makes sense. I know we're gone a little bit off track here, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

I just want to bring something to light too. You mentioned about the school teachers before. I've never looked into that like ever, never even really considered it before.

SPEAKER_02 14:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:50

Um, and I thought I'd jump on the Australian Um Australian Bureau of Statistics. This is where it's come. This is 2025. So 72% of Australian school teachers are female, which makes 28% of school teachers male. It's a pretty wild balance. Mate, it's huge. It's actually huge.

SPEAKER_00 15:11

And that's like, and that's look, it's not um Yeah, not downplay. Look, it's one of those things, and this is where school has school and our society, um, and I can only speak to Western society, you know, we've got a lot to answer for. One thing I noticed about schools, and people are probably gonna challenge me on this, which is good, because I'm open to challenge.

SPEAKER_02 15:33

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 15:34

One thing one thing I did notice is schools are heavily swayed towards feminine um teaching methods. And this is one thing I noticed. Like we were going in and coach, I was only going in for an hour, maybe six week blocks, working on masculinity with these kids, but a lot of it's geared towards the education of young women, which is fine, like it's not a problem. But it what it does for the masculine, we learn very different. Um, and I've heard of schools, like there's there are some good private schools out there that that teach the different because we learn differently. One thing that I want to bring up, and I won't name the teacher's name, but I went to I I used to do primary schools, and I stopped doing primary schools last year just because of one moment that really it actually really frustrated me. Like, this was a grade five and six class, and I remember the teacher come up to me, and um she was like, Oh, can you talk to these boys about toxic masculinity? Like, these are grade five and six students, and I'm like, What do you mean? She's like, Oh, like they're really unruly and stuff, and I'm like, It's what young boys do. I was like, Are they what are they doing that's like really unruly? Are they just running around and stuff like that? She's like, Yeah. And I was like, Why would I talk to them about toxic masculinity?

SPEAKER_01 16:56

Yeah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 16:58

Like, just pause on that. I'm like, what what are what are grade five and sixes? What 10, 12 years old?

SPEAKER_01 17:05

Like, yeah, but that goes back to what I said earlier around like labeling people with this terminology and start believing it.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

Mate, then it was uh that that really I had to really pause in that moment, and that really sits with me because it's like this is what's happening to these kids. Like, you know, you've got you've got adults pushing their agenda on young kids, and it's like I'll tell you straight away, as soon as these kids come in and I was speaking to them about sport and respect and like putting their hand up, just the basics. It's like, hey boys, like, look, I understand you're excited, but if do you want to have fun, they're like, yeah, like yelling around and stuff like the happy ass, like little kids, they're like, yeah, and I'm like, all right, well, what happens if you guys are naughty? And they're like, we don't have to get to have fun. I'm like, yep, 100%. I'm like, what happens if you're good? Like, we get to have fun. I'm like, all right, sweet. Straight instantly, they're all quiet, and hands up, raising, and then you get them like to expend a bit of energy and they're having fun and they're respectful. She then goes, I've never seen that class like that. I'm like, because they're young boys, like you can't be treating them like they're just little animals and like they're toxic when they're you know they're they're young. There was even times in schools where I wasn't allowed to call them young boys, which is fucking ridiculous. Like it was inclusive, all this other shit. And I'm like, nah, like this is the issue. Like, we can dive into that a bit, bro. And that's when I saw that's where it dawned on me. Where I was like, we have obviously we have a problem with behaviour um in men, and I'm not gonna lie that we don't, um, but that we've also got a problem societally, so in society, where it's like it starts there, you know, the kids are getting so confused on what they can do and who they are and stuff. It's like no wonder they're losing their shit, they're getting told they're this, they can't do this. Yep. Um, anyway, I had a male teacher come up to me after, he was probably one of maybe five in that school. And um, look, I won't name him, and he goes, mate, that was awesome. He's like, it's so good you're here. Like, I just can't, I'm not even allowed to say much here. He's like, I can't teach them right from wrong because I'm getting told that it's this and this. So there's so many elements, man. Like, there's virtues from the home, and then there's our our whole teaching system.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

Yeah, that's a great point because it's obviously confusing for them, right? Yeah. Because they get in well, it depends on the the home life too, because you've got all your virtues and characters that you get, all the um the lessons you learn from your family life, and then you've got the lessons you learn from your school life, and you're trying to mix the two, and that's probably why they get so confused and lost, and then they also got social media tapping into their brains as well, with you know, the the Manosphere kind of group of people influences. 100%. And then, like, where do they go from there? They need, yeah, it's it's tough.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

Well, it's we're gonna I'm gonna be very blunt, and we're trying to teach our young boys like they're young women. You know, we can pause on that, and then and like I don't care if anyone says anything, I've seen it. Like, I'm not talking about this because like it's I've read about it, but I've been into hundreds of schools, I've talked with thousands of young men, I've worked with young ladies, so like I don't you can challenge me on this. Like, every time I've been in there, we're trying to get boys to behave like young women, and when you go against your natural essence, then you start to lose it. Like, if you're not like, and that's just how it works, and then like it's such an interesting topic, and no one really wants to talk about it at that level because someone wants to push the blame somewhere where it's like we need to start actually bringing back true masculinity, and you know, that's what we're working on. And unfortunately, the guys in the manosphere have done a very smart job because they've pushed out the true masculinity's money status and women. That's not true. You know, true masculinity is respect, it's courage, it's service, it's discipline, it's self-mastery, you know, it's kindness, it's vulnerability. Like, you know, we they're the ones we bang out. And what young men don't understand is if they want the other things, true masculine values is the side effect of that is the other things. A really good family unit, you know, good kids, a good wife, like good partner, a good purpose that you've got, which is your job, you know, and respect, which in terms is status. Do you know what I mean? So it's so it's it's about swinging it that way. Um and like I it's I'm not gonna sit back and I think I wanted to go from a different angle because I'm not gonna sit back and blame the guys in the manosphere, yeah. Because I don't think that's that's still passing the blame, and we speak about it all Time. I think it's you start in your house first, and then we look at how we're teaching them. You know, kids now, kids these days have so much social media and they've got so much choice and they've got so much confusion. And I saw I saw it in schools. It was really hard for me to deal with, to be honest, in the schools. Um, even I was getting told of what I could say and what I couldn't say. The language I had to use, everything. Like it was there was classes that I'd go into and I couldn't even bro, I had groups full of full of young men, maybe 25, and I was getting told that I couldn't call them young men or boys. Yeah, that's crazy. And look, I'm gonna get I'm gonna say the truth because I think it's true. Like, I only believe in two genders, and especially like it's man or female, like that's it. And in in the schools, one thing that you know, if you're an adult and you think that you're something else, that's okay, like as well. Like, I don't care, like if you believe you're something else or whatever, that's alright, you're an adult. What's disgusting is having it in schools, like this stuff should not be getting pushed on our young men and women because that's what's driving a lot of the behavior, just having like not letting people understand who they are. Yeah, does that make sense? Yeah, it makes sense, 100%. And what happens there is the boys, what I learned too is the boys that that gravitate to the manosphere, they're the ones that are getting told that you can't say this, you can't say that, you can't say this. Men are natural leaders. We're not born to kneel. We're born to lead, if that makes sense. Where that's getting pushed out of guys, and then what's happening is the knock-on effect is you hear stories all the time, you know, women dating bad men or men doing crazy shit, all the crime and all that sort of stuff. Everything starts from that young age. It all starts from language, it all starts from teaching, it starts from all of that. And a lot of the a lot of the time the young kids that come through that are unruly is because they're like, well, excuse my French, they're like, Well, fuck you, I'm sick of getting told what I am, what to do, how to think. I'm just gonna go and fucking just be, do whatever I want. And that's where the manosphere is very smart. You know, Andrew Tate would was one of the leaders of it, and he's now pushed it into all these other minions that are fucking idiots, but you know, but unfortunately, they're seen as gods because a lot of the guys are sick of a lot of young guys are sick of getting told they're worthless, getting told they're useless, and a lot of things, and unfortunately, every everybody suffers. You know, not just not just um, you know, women, men, children, everybody suffers. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:50

I think um like there's a there's a lot in that, and that's obviously I resonate and believe a lot of that as well. What's something to like shift the mindset of um I'm trying to find the right word? That's right. Shift like um help them get out of being lost and confused and like settle into becoming a man a man. Yep. What are some mental shifts or things or tips or tricks?

SPEAKER_00 25:20

One of the best things we did was we did a visualization exercise with them, and it was about visualizing your future self. This was one of the best exercises we ever did with young guys, and like it was like because even with the guys that were like heavily into the manosphere and stuff like that, and all that, I'd I'd I'd visualize, I'd go, all right, guys, I want you to close your eyes and I want you to visualize your best self. So, where are you living? What are you doing? You know, what car are you driving, and just like all these things, and a lot of the time, and a lot of the time, like a lot of young men, probably nine, I'd say 98% of young men I worked with, like, oh, I'm in like a two-story house, I've got a wife, I've got kids, instantly signals family unit, protect, provide, like true masculine values. And then I was like, What are you doing? They're like, Oh, I'm a professional sports player, and like they'd say all this stuff, and then the biggest trigger was like, How do you feel right now? After seeing that, and for the first time, a lot of them are like proud, happy, like, and they and they like it's fucking choked me up to be honest. They're like proud, that's awesome. They're like, I feel proud of myself, and I feel happy. Um, and you know, that's that's the first time I've ever felt those feelings. You know, these are kids from the age of 12 to 16 that have never felt proud of themselves or happy, you know, and that that was one big shift, and then the knock-on from that shift would be all right, so what sort of values and traits do you think that your future self would then um add to their life, or how do you think you're gonna get there? And then they'd say hardworking, um, respectful, and then all of a sudden it starts building, and that's where we noticed the biggest shift. Um, and they I'd then start to do the character traits of what it takes to get to that point that they visualized, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

Yeah, nice.

SPEAKER_00 27:20

Um, and I also went a bit rogan schools too, to be honest. Um, I just told them the truth as young men. I said, you know, as a man, you have to work hard, you know, you have to build value, um, you have to be respectful, you've got to do all this stuff, you know. That's just the part of being a man. And I'm like, unfortunately, no one's coming to save you as a man. Um, and I think a lot of that, that I think a lot of that term gets misconstrued, but it's the truth. You can go if if me and you were to sit back and complain and be misogynistic and all this sort of shit, we'll get isolated very fast.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

Yeah. Well, I was laughing when you said I had to go rogue in schools and tell them the truth, and then what you started explaining. It's crazy that that is rogue. Yeah, bro. Like, yeah, literally telling them the truth, it's freaking hard work. You can't just like success doesn't just come, it's hard work. Like to have build all these character traits, you have to go through adversity, you have to do all these sort of things. Yeah, um, to build them, and then it's crazy that that's rogue, like it's 100% shows.

SPEAKER_00 28:21

Well, it's funny you say, and that's that's what I found. That's why I was so gobsmacked. Even not even about even not even allowed to call them lads or boys. Yeah, was wild. It is crazy.

SPEAKER_01 28:32

Like I had to address them as like young humans or some shit, and I was like, Yeah, no, I understand I always haven't been in the school system for I've been out of school for a long time, and then but what sort of bullshit's that?

SPEAKER_00 28:46

It's like we've got so many big issues going on, and I've got I can't call them lads, like I've got to call them young humans, and I'm like, this is the problem because the manosphere, unfortunately, it's not it's not the great, it's it's terrible, yeah. But unfortunately, they cut through all of that because a lot of the young kids are sick of this shit. Like, I spoke to the young boys and I just said, look, what do you they're like, I've just had enough of being told what to do. Like, I've just had enough of being told what to believe in. I've just had enough of being not able to say certain things, and they're frustrated and they're lost. These guys show that you can like they're unfortunately the the guys in the manosphere just are just like, well, no, you're a man, like you can do whatever you want, and that's the issue because what we do has a as a knock-on effect. Yeah, you know, men are natural leaders and builders, so what we want to try and tie it back to is building the right things and leading in the right way, um, and not leading through dominance and power and um fear. Yeah, you know, we we want to swing it back to true leadership, which is you know, respect, honor, integrity, and you know, those that just that three three words shift automatically, you know, and and and you know, respect goes a long way, you know, love, um, want like all that sort of stuff. And that's where you can see, man, we're going back on it, but like it starts in the school unit, and then you know, it's then it goes into the society unit, you know, men and women are pinned against each other online too. You know, you've got um, and look, I will I'll I would love to get a uh we'll get a female perspective anyway, because I think one thing that's really good is you know, we're men. So we speak on solutions for uh we can speak personally on solutions for men. Um I don't really want to dive into what's going on on with the with the other gender because I just think that that'd be good to have a female come on and speak about her perspective. 100%, which I think would be a lot smarter.

SPEAKER_02 30:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:47

Um and I think it's just about one big thing too, bro, is about self-awareness, you know, and understanding understanding where your emotions are coming from and understanding that you know it's not not all people are bad, you know, not all not all men are bad and all this sort of stuff, and it's just having that perspective of of trying to understand more about what's happening. I think a lot of people because they're so emotional now and so stuck in their ways that they add so much emotion to the topic, not understanding. Yeah, and when I was in the schools, bro, like I was I was starting to get really fucking I really said this, but I was getting really burnt out and overwhelmed when I was doing heaps of schools because I was seeing what was happening to these kids, and then I was seeing what was being said about men, and then I was seeing what was happening, and I was really frustrating. And I've man, I've done a lot of work, we've done a lot of work on ourselves, and even for me it was starting to get to me. And then I was like, I can see why these guys swing that way. Um, but luckily, we'll make it a pot about a positive, but the great thing too is there are some amazing teachers. I've worked with some great teachers too, some guys, some men that are trying to turn the tide, even some female teachers that are unbelievable, they see the potential in a lot of the young guys, and they they're trying their best to do the right thing. Um, and that's pretty much it, bro. And if we go to a stat as well, bro, it's like you know, 70% of you know, 70% of young men are lost. That's a big percentage. And they're the 70% swinging towards the manosphere, so that would naturally give you about obviously 30% that the other way. And I touched on it in the podcast where I'm like, you know, it's up to the 30% to to try and turn the tide. And the biggest issue we face is because a lot of the 30% aren't controversial, they don't get the the playtime that the controversial guys get.

unknown 32:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:47

100%. Which makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 32:49

That's what it's about, right? Clicks, views. Oh, bro, it's all about what freaking Instagram and the algorithms love. Well, they love the heat.

SPEAKER_00 32:58

Um I think we've looked we've covered a lot of yeah. We're gonna keep talking about this. Like I said, it would be it'll be good to get a female perspective um on it as well. And just uh for our listeners well, you know, we're coming from a we're coming from a an angle where it can be broken down and it can be worked on. And I had an I was speaking to one of my um someone wrote on my post the other day and and like disagreed with what I was saying. And it's like which is fine, like it's good to have a mix of opinion. But you've got to understand that case, you would understand this too, the way that we break things down, especially with an athlete mindset and entrepreneurial is solution focused. So whatever we speak about is about how do we find a solution for it. Um where they're like, Oh, this is wrong, this is this, this, this, and this, you should have said this, should have said that. And I'm like, No, we we find solutions. Like, we're not here to blame people, where do we go at the core problem? How do we fix it? And I think that's the beauty of having an athlete background and also entrepreneurial because it takes the emotion out of it, brings logic into it. And if we're gonna double back, what you really want to focus on, young men, if you're listening to this, um single mothers that are raising men, um, teachers, all that sort of stuff, is you focus on the character. One thing I'd always do in schools was we'd write something called the code. So it's like, let's wipe everything you've learned to this point about the manosphere, masculinity. Who do you want to be? And then I'd give them 10 minutes in silence to write down, do I want to be strong? Do I want to be respectful? Do I want to be loyal? Once they got to the end of writing down this list, I'd go anything that goes against that list, you say no to. That's who you are now, and you build towards it. Yeah, it's huge. Makes sense. Yeah, 100%. That makes sense. If you're if you want to be a respectful person, are you gonna tolerate disrespect? No, sir, no, Mr. Jordan. No, Mr. Schmidt. No, Mr. Schmidt. No more. But it's just a great way. This is good for adults too, men and female. Off give it 100%. Yeah, so write down your code. Like, if you want to be respectful, are you gonna tolerate disrespect? Are you gonna be disrespectful? If you want to be loyal, are you gonna are you gonna tolerate disloyalty? Yeah, are you gonna be hardworking? So are you gonna work hard or are you gonna surround yourself with people that work hard? Like, and it's just so easy. And then what you do is you pinpoint anything in your life that goes against that list, and you either either ruthlessly remove it or you add more of it. It's that simple. And for the young guys as well, like you know, we this is this is a personal one as well. Like, it's a privilege to be a man, like a privilege, and it's not the word privilege is in like you you're better than anyone, or you're you can talk shit to people, or you can dominate people and be a prick, like what Manosphere and stuff would teach. I mean it's a privilege because you can be hardworking, you can lead, you're strong, you can build value, you can help others, you know, and you've you've you're built to go the distance. That's how we're built. It's what we're here to do, you know, sustain pressure, build something great. Like, and I want think about that and don't think about the other thing where you've got to be disrespectful and as well, like Casey just said it too. Massive shout out to our mums as well. I know that's a bit left field, but man, our mums, and you gotta understand, you know, mum, our mums, you know, they raised us as well. Play two roles, exactly. Massive shout out to everybody.

SPEAKER_01 36:49

Um, no, well said, man. Well said. I know that's um like a topic that's super close to your heart. Um, so you've shared a lot of content, stats, figures, everything like that on it too. Um and it's just a lot about what goes on in this world and what's happening in society right now, and then it's obviously making that shift and change to be able to help that younger generation of men push past being lost and everything like that. So the question I want to pose to everybody listening is it's obviously not the kids that are listening to this podcast. Um, it's gonna be the parents, the the adults of the family. So if you do have kids or anything, it's be mindful on what you are teaching in your home. Yeah. Um obviously, you need to, before you can teach, you need to have those virtues and values yourself. So probably flip that script first and look at yourself. Like have a look your look at yourself in the mirror and think like what characteristics am I actually putting out there to the world and how what am I living by? And then what does that show my kids with the way that I'm living? Bro, perfect.

SPEAKER_00 37:49

Well said. Well, it's action, isn't it? Everything's action. Words need words mean nothing without action. And Casey just nailed it. Um and a lot of a lot of yeah, uh kids, and and I know parents, you know, that's you hear a lot from parents, and what you said is they're they're they're the biggest influences. One thing I will say, and it and it's great too, is like, you know, shout out to all the fathers too. You know, I think a lot of dads get a they don't get as much recognition as they should, but their role's just as important and very important for the home. And the I'll touch on what I said on the on the podcast on the on my reel as well, where a lot of the best young guys I worked with had very um you know, strong role model as fathers. You know, you could see the difference. It was chalk and cheese, man. And I had a lot of I had some good dads message me and stuff like that. Um there is no true form there. And I spoke to my cousin, we had a golf trip, and I'll shout out Jado, but I don't think in my mind case you'd agree with this. Like, I spoke to my cousin on the golf trip, and he's a really good father and partner. That's the highest form of masculinity in my eyes. Above status, above cars, anything like you know, and I've got people in my circle that are great fathers, and that is great fathers, great husbands, and that's fucking masculinity.

SPEAKER_01 39:21

Yeah, showing up for the ones that you care about most, not for everyone else trying to follow you on social media or Instagram. 100%.

SPEAKER_00 39:27

So for young men, you know, look for those guys, look for those guys. Yeah, it might not be glamorous what they're doing, but raising a family and being a good good partner, those that's that's true masculinity. You know, that's that's purposeful work. You know, it's surely you've got your other stuff going on, you're building something great, but you know, at the end of the day, your inner circle is is is what matters. Um it's huge, man. It's good, bro. Well we'll we'll close it off. And um just to close it off, guys, like you you don't need more noise, you don't need more influences, you need real life figures, like you know, for for someone who's feeling lost, seek out mentors, seek out people that you respect, ask some questions, have conversations. I speak to young guys a lot, and young women if you want, um go and speak to people. You know, I think a lot of people in this generation, you lose we're losing connection because no one wants to talk to each other. Go and talk to someone you respect. If it's an industry you want to go and get into, go and talk to the person that you see, and I guarantee you they'll have time for you. Um and build yourself properly. Work in this generation that we're in now, work on your character. Character's what sets character is everything, and you know, don't try to be someone that you think you should be, whether it's an influencer, because there's thousands, there's millions now. Who are you internally? So work on the code and build your character first, you know, and back yourself. And you're not worthless, you're not useless, it's not a bad thing to be a man, it's a privilege, it's an honor, it's great. The world needs more good men, not more weak lost men. Alright, and people are gonna be like, oh, weeks harsh, but people need to understand it's not the strong men then go and do this shit that's happening in the world. It's the lost ones.

SPEAKER_01 41:24

Any final words, guys? Nah, it's a time where it's as easy as ever to be a freaking strong man, right? Because there's a lack of it. So when you step up and become that, um be a leading force for your peers, for your friends, for your family, for your future generation. Um step up.

SPEAKER_00 41:44

Love it. Let's go, baby. Well, hey, well, that's episode 24 in the bank. Um, for those of you that have been following us, thank you so much for your comments, all the love. Um if you haven't subscribed yet, please subscribe on YouTube so we can steep uh keep uh banging out some some great apps and building this podcast out. Follow us on Instagram and uh comment your thoughts. Yeah, comment your thoughts. And I think start sending um and feel free to DM us as well. And um, you know, we'll we're we're happy, we're open for discussion. Uh, you know, that's the beauty of a podcast is is we when we say stuff, we're open for discussion to hear your your points of view. And uh, yeah. So no excuses. No limits. Let's go.