SPEAKER_00 0:24

And we are back just like that, Jack. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to Artist to Artist. Well, I say it's not a podcast, but it is a conversation that needs to be had. And we in season two have a very, very, very special guest today. One of probably my longest standing friends in the industry. Probably going on 30 years. I hope that don't blow our age up in any way. One of the biggest stars in the game. He's done so much for the South. It's my guy, Two Chains. My guy, what's good? Yeah. Oh man. Starting off with a bang.

SPEAKER_01 1:04

I'm in here. I'm in the factory. What's happening? Building, man. How you feeling? Man, I'm good, man. Just making my runs, man. Trying to sell this book, trapping this book, man. I've been, they got me all over New York, too. You're the trapper, man. Yes, man. How many runs do you gonna have? As many as God allows me. I feel good. Don't nothing hurt when I wake up still. And uh, yeah, my back don't hurt, my knees don't hurt. I feel good, man. So I don't know. I let's let's let um I mean, I feel I feel like I can keep going. I think it's how you feel. I think it's really how you feel. And right now, I just feel like I can still complete some heights that I haven't even reached yet, even at this point in my career, even at this age. I don't believe in glass ceilings. And I feel like sometimes, man, I'd be so motivated, submotivated, I feel like I can do anything, dog.

SPEAKER_00 2:01

I mean, you've you've showed us you can do anything in so many different ways, man. I watched you sell a Christmas um design and on t-shirts and make M's off that. Two. Two M's. Look at that. You know what I mean? Like I boom in that thing. Um and so many other things that you've done like that in this game. But let's take it back to where you're from. Where where are you from?

SPEAKER_01 2:24

I'm from Atlanta, the South Side. Um, College Park. Um, you know, it's okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:35

I want to give people a little backstory because I you you're so big of a star, and the way content goes right now, these kids don't know about a lot of the upbringings of who some of us are, like uh disturbing the peace.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

Uh oh, that type of thing.

SPEAKER_00 2:50

I just wanted to just like I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 2:52

Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, I started with Disturbing the Peace, which was um uh imprint on the Luda. You know what I mean? That's where I got my start at, but he's from the South Side too, so we met through a mutual friend that we both knew. They used to go to my school, end up going to his school, and on down the road we met, build a rapport, end up doing my record deal there. Before that, you know, I went to college. I got a degree in psychology. Um that I didn't know. Yeah, I got a degree.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

You finished four years in college?

SPEAKER_01 3:25

Yeah. That's crazy. I did like four and a half years. A little bit like four years in a semester or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 3:30

So that makes a lot of sense of why your bars and your wordplay always up the par. Yeah, I got a degree in psychology.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

I and then rapping was like my my first job. Like the first time I ever recorded a rap, my first two raps was with Dollar, who I did the group play a circle with. He was just so polished and ahead of me, and ahead of his time, I was just trying to find my footing. But I got so much feedback from some of the first couple of songs that I recorded, it gave me the confidence to keep pursuing that and make it like a career move. And that was many moons ago, many years ago.

SPEAKER_00 4:12

You said you went to college show, but I know you also been outside. So was the were you outside during your college years, or was it after the college that you really went outside?

SPEAKER_01 4:21

No, yeah, I used to sell like, yeah, I hustled all the way through college. You know what I'm saying? My partner, we were selling these little, you know, I know, you know how it is. When you're a hustler, you know, other people don't got no scale. You're gonna like, I know that's what I did. I used to short people, so you know, like, you know what I'm saying, little 25 gram ounces, you know what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

Well that add up or the big add in.

SPEAKER_01 4:44

It added up. So, but they wasn't no nobody ever was complaining because it's like I'm going to school in Alabama. It's this this weed coming from Atlanta, so it's always like the Atlanta weed. Just like I'm sure in New York if they come from certain places. So I was able to make make me a cool return. I hustled, man, I hustled clean through really like starting from probably like seventh grade all the way up to up to after duffel bag boys was out. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 5:15

I mean, I didn't I didn't know how how how deep you wanted to talk about. Cause I know back then when you used to come come to the A, you used to give me weed like it was water. Like you got some smoke, killer. You always had a a a bag full of that smoke. So I didn't know.

SPEAKER_01 5:30

That's what I was known for in the city. Like, even um with my relationship with Wayne and all of that stuff, like he didn't know I really rapped at first. You know what I'm saying? Like, people, rappers, like I would see artists that came to the city, and I never presented myself like a full-blown, serious rapper. It was more like, what can I get you? How can I serve you? But I started um shying away from the whole hustle thing and present myself like this is what I wanted to be as far as my career. Like just watching how artists move, particularly Wayne, going on tour. I went cold turkey on the trap, and one day I just said, you know what I'm saying, I didn't want to do it, and people didn't believe me until I didn't have no work for going on 30 days, 40 days, and started being serious. And I felt like I had to let something go. So if you hustling, if you got one foot in, one foot out, I'm here to tell you from experience and through the voice in my head, which is God, which is this book, that you can't do both. And I didn't really go as far, as far as I um thought I would have if I want to stop trapping at the time. So if you hustling and you trying to do music, I get it. Because one facilitated the other for me. Like my hustling put me around a lot of rappers, but until I sat that down, that's when I reached my full potential.

SPEAKER_00 7:01

I was gonna say that from when white tees was a big thing. Even before that, anytime that I came to Atlanta and I seen you anywhere, you always show love. No matter what. You always seen if a nigga need anything, a nigga straight, and I've seen you in every club in Atlanta throughout these years and things like that. Now, speaking about you stopped trapping, so with that being said, the next step would depend solely on music. So what was the record that gave you the inclination that shit? I make I make it do something.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

The song Boo. I just call it Boo. I remember that. Started taking off in Memphis and in Atlanta. Uh I remember I remember I remember duffel bag boys taking off. But at the same time, I had such a huge artist on it. But I still felt like I did my thing on the verse. I still I still feel like like I came in and held you off. Like, you know what I'm saying? I still felt that way. You know what I'm saying? And that's kind of how I got on the tour because Bro called me and said that, you know, if I want to come out there and do the verse, he would. So that's how I ended up on the tour with Young Money with the time I went out there early on. I don't know. Like it was crazy, bro. Yeah. But anyway, it was just I think it's just divine time, and you know what I'm saying, and me having um my mind in the right place, you know what I'm saying? The reason I am doing this book tour, because I feel like I do have some some my personal secrets to success. And it deals with like an inner monologue, like with like a real voice in my head. You know what I'm saying? It sounds like some old weird ass wigged out only child shit, but like for me, for many years, I've communicated something has told me to do certain things at certain times, and something has told me, just like it, something told me to go cold turkey on the pack. Like I can't see what's around the corner. I don't know why this voice is telling me to do something, but when sometimes when I don't listen to it, the the outcome ain't so unpleasant, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 9:12

Nah, so let's let's dive into the book. Since what what is the book ex about?

SPEAKER_01 9:17

It's about intuition. You know what I'm saying? It's about that feeling you get before anything happens, something exciting, something tragic. You know, it's before your ego get here, it's before fear gets here, it's that feeling, it's that gut feeling. It's that I call it like the sixth sense. Like it's like people can touch, feel, smell, and then you know what I'm saying, it's like this intuition thing. It's like my superpower, dog. On everything. It's my navigational tool, it's how I maneuver, killer. How long did you figure how long did it take you to figure out you had superpowers? I had to I had to live long enough. I ain't really just put it together to. So I'm telling you these instances I did this stuff, right? At this time, I'm not even knowing. Like, I had to go through enough experiences to realize like I'm doing the right thing by listening to this voice, like by not ignoring it. Like after you do it five, six, seven times in a row, while I'm listening to this inner monologue, while I'm listening to this divine guidance that's that that is a part of me every day, whether it's like through business, you know what I'm saying, doubt, all of that. I got something that's like uplifting me, telling me I'm him all day long. I'm I'm like him. I'm getting, you know what I'm saying? It just don't waver me, you know what I'm saying? And I'm trying to really put this in, it's like this is my way of giving back to my community, huh? On the for real. It's like, it's probably hard to believe, but I know we all done said, man, something told me, you know what I mean? Something told me to pull up on you, Jim. Something told me like, pull up on dog, check his spot out, you know what I'm saying? So I be feeling like that's something. So this is how I explain the title of the book. Let me put you down. The voice part of the book, that's my conscience. Okay, I'm tapped in, bro. I'm like Wi-Fi for real, right? Look how I move. You see how I move. You ain't never seen me with it. Back then I went with a bunch of niggas. That's the voice. God. I'm trying to give it up to somebody that's higher than myself. And this is the apex to me, to me personally. So it's not necessarily a book about religion because it got God in it. It's more about like awareness. I'm just trying to create awareness for anyone that wanna like listen or pay attention.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

No, so I'm a you know, I'm a Godfering man, and one thing that I've been paying attention to the later years of my life is the signs. So this book is dope as hell, because everything you talk about is what a lot of people feel and don't follow those signs that they see and don't really recognize that there's sign that that there was a sign until it's too late. Now you gotta go back, like, yo.

SPEAKER_01 12:11

I'm telling you, man.

SPEAKER_00 12:12

Damn, if I would have just telling you, bro. You know what I mean? So I totally understand, and I'm grateful enough to start being able to notice some of these signs. I don't say won't notice all of them, but I've noticed a bunch of signs that have helped me out tremendously by me following my intuition and shit.

SPEAKER_01 12:29

Yeah, that's it, bro. It's a real thing. I promise this is just really how I feel, man. And I think when people, because you got a voice, you got a I got this chapter called The Fuck It Boys too. We got that fuck it boys. We got that. We know this ain't right, and still, you know what I'm saying, buck and sometimes the outcome be negative, sometimes it don't. I think we all got that. So the way that I differentiate the fuck it voice for the voice that I feel like is from a higher power is that the one that I feel like is coming from a higher power got love in it. That's how I differentiate. If I had to describe one word, if it ain't got no love in it and what I'm feeling, um, I don't really I ain't a fast. When you when you wake up and you move around, you feel like God is guiding you. Something telling me what to put on, killer. I know you can't, I'm not true. A voice ain't tell you something going all black with Tony, because you know Tony, Tony might come all black. I know you're thinking Tony might come in this thing all black. You know what I'm saying? I've been man, I had a mink on that motherfucker shedding on me all day up here. I had to change clothes before I come here. Geneswise late. I go full length, cause it was cold up here to me. But you go black on black, you know what I'm saying? I normally would have been on your stage. I'm talking about I was blacked out today. You see what I'm saying? So something told you to go that way, because you know we got full closet. It can close his eyes and get jiggy. Really do a whole game where we close our eyes and can get jiggy. So I'm talking about it to something that small, man. And it may be seeming petty, somebody might turn this off, but this is just my personal belief. This is my opinion. You totally right.

SPEAKER_00 14:17

Like, so I told myself maybe two weeks ago, I said I ain't going outside for the next 30, 40 days. And like this past weekend, somebody kept hitting me, hitting me. And I'm like, they almost had me. I'm like, yo, bro, yo, bro, that's not gonna go right, bro. Just chill out. You gotta you gotta you you you said that to yourself for a reason, bro. Don't don't fuck that.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

Don't, don't, don't, I'm telling you, man. And so, okay, so that you know what I'm talking about. And then so that mix that with the the temptation of the other stuff and you being strong enough to know, no, I'm staying down with what I originally said and what I originally felt.

SPEAKER_00 14:54

And I'm telling you, man, that's and the the gratitude of really going through it and and receiving whatever that was coming to you. Like I said, we see it so many times, so it's like you don't know what it is, but it's something.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

I can't tell you what it is.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

But that's for everybody it's different.

SPEAKER_01 15:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:10

You know what I mean? For some people, they might, other people might think it's small, but sometimes that small bit of gratification is bigger than anything you could.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

Man, what? That's the ones you them the ones you thank the Lord for, the small ones. The super small wins. I'm talking about a parking spot close to where you're walking. I'm talking about something, I'm talking about something crazy small. Yeah, like the whole day. Like, oh yeah, I killed the pull of it. Oh man, God loves me so much. I done pulled in front that I'm in front of the set, I'm in front of field. You know what I mean? I'm talking about, look, man, it could be anything small. I'm paying homage to the big guy. So that's just how I've been moving. That's how I've been operating. I got personal partners that be like, man, I don't know how you do it. You know what I'm saying? You can't you can't buy no motivation online. You can't buy that ambition. I'm I'm self-all that. I'm self that. You know what I'm saying? So I got to figure out like where this coming from. I'm not like looking at nobody and getting energy, like, oh man, let me get my ass up. This man right here. You know what I'm saying? Although I have you, I saw you do some exercise, and I ain't been to the gym in three, four days, and I'm like, damn, gym, bro.

SPEAKER_00 16:22

Like, that's how we explain.

SPEAKER_01 16:23

Nigga, don't even be, nigga, what these this right here to work out and shit like that. I don't be on, I be having to go put on my little workout. You don't give you work out in here.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

I gotta get it, I gotta go right. After this, I do work out.

SPEAKER_01 16:36

Chain gang shit, but I fuck with it, you know what I'm saying? But that's motivational. That's what we're here for, you know?

SPEAKER_00 16:41

That's what so I see you're a big family man. So do you find a way to separate the two from being two-changed that everybody in the world know, to being two-changed, the father, the husband, the family man?

SPEAKER_01 16:59

It's not a real strong like separation. My family, you know, they they know who I am, man. We're very close. They with me now, actually. They just had the room. Uh, we've been hanging out over the weekend. And you know, for the most part, you know, kind of what you see is what you get with me. I think that's that adds on to my longevity. You know what I'm saying? It's like you ain't heard this and see something else, like I ain't flawed. I'm like, I'm not a lame nigga. I'm like what you see, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, once again, super comforted in my skin, and I love my family. Like I ain't never been, never tried to hide that. I always been courtside with like one of my kids, you know what I'm saying? You know, and in the industry, it's not the easiest thing to do because it's so much going on. It's so many women, it's so much stuff going on. So I ain't gonna sit here and act like I'm like the strongest man that God ever made, but I really love what I got at home, you know what I'm saying? I really love what I got at home. I'm not gonna leave that situation like ever. And I love my kids. I love to watch them grow, you know what I'm saying? I love all this shit.

SPEAKER_00 18:05

I love because I I'm I'm a family man also, and I'm glad you said that. There are a lot of distractions and all that shit that comes our way. But to hear you say, I love what you got at home, and this is what how I feel. Like, I'm not I'm not going nowhere, I'm not risking none of this. But the flip side of this is I love what you do with your kids. Like, I I got a son, but I see you have a son and a daughter, and I see that you help them in whatever they want to do. Like, I see your son is very uh charismatic. Yeah, he is. Yeah, you got it. You got him on the cameras with you, doing basketball. Like, I I I watch and things like how does that feel? Because I had a I coming up, I done took jets to make sure I watched my son's football games and things like that. So it's like that's a different type of energy that I got. So I know that for you it gotta be tremendous to see how your son has grown up and having that close relationship with him.

SPEAKER_01 18:55

Yeah, it's about pouring time into the into them and creating experiences for them. That's what I've learned from being a parent. Like money be cool, time be better, right? But if you got time, you ain't got no money. And if you got money or getting money, you ain't got no time. So how in the hell you get that little fine line and do kind of both, right? And also have the household understand that, right? So for me, when I'm busy, I'm like super busy, I'm ultra busy. So they've been with me all day, but they're not with me now because they burnt out. So now I get to use this as a case study. Uh you want to come hang out with me when I'm in my busy, this is what we're doing. I've been out since nine o'clock. This work. Yeah, yeah, I've been doing this. I don't even know. Keep thinking this is a video show. Yeah, you keep thinking all you see is the yeah, the the bags and all that stuff. And we should now this is the so that part. And so, but like I'm teaching at the same time. I'm showing them, I'm teaching them. I'm, you know what I'm saying? I'm raising a hoop star that that it that that his superpower is confidence. I've been just pouring it into him since he was legit. He just c he coming here right now, he's gonna pop it, he gonna he gonna speak to everybody, gonna shake your hand, he's gonna look you in the eyes, he's gonna hug the women, he's gonna open the door for females, he's gonna let them on the elevator first. He knows how to talk, the man in the fourth grade, the man 10. You know what I'm saying? This means just pouring all this into him and knowing that he can take it. This is just what I'm on, man.

SPEAKER_00 20:39

That's incredible. That's did did you grow up with both your moms and your pups?

SPEAKER_01 20:43

Uh nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Um they stayed together um until I was, I think maybe four or something like that. I don't know. Something maybe.

SPEAKER_00 20:58

And then when you do become a parent, it's like you're figuring it out every day. But it's like one thing I always told myself, like no matter what, I I can't let this child go through any of the hardships that I went through. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 21:12

Yeah, that's why why would we do that? You know, sometimes we want them to learn the hard way, but for the most part, we made a lot of mistakes for the kids. I feel like, you know what I'm saying? And so I got two daughters, too, that's that's uh 13, one that's 17. And sometimes you want them to learn through experience, but it's like a fine line of you just don't want nothing to happen. It's you don't want them to ever get hurt.

SPEAKER_00 21:41

Yeah, I know these daughters are way different than sons.

SPEAKER_01 21:43

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

I mean, I don't have a daughter, but uh, you know, I I can only imagine I got a lot of partners that got daughters, and I I I can see it's it's tremendously different than ha having a daughter. It's overprotectiveness being a father. Yeah, it is actually you know how niggas are, because we niggas ourselves, so you just we niggas, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Man, it's it's it's overprotected. Man, my daughters be they all saying they leaving when it's time to go to college. Like, I'm out. But you be tripping, bruh. They say I be tripping, bruh.

SPEAKER_00 22:11

But that's a good thing. Because those lessons they're gonna take with them when they do go to college, they're gonna know how a man's supposed to treat them. And you you know what I mean? Like that's what the fall is there to really show them what type of man they supposed to have around them when they do decide to get into those type of things. Um let's get in the business. You got an ill business acumen, and you do a lot. How has the is the was the music the most important part to fuel all your ancillary businesses?

SPEAKER_01 22:44

Yeah, yeah, music. I took the music, took the money. Bought real estate, bought a lot of property, that's how a lot of my investments started. I bought bought the dirt, bought a lot of land early on. Because like the money started, you know how it is, when the money started coming in, you got basically the cars that you kind of want. You got the watches that you want, you know what I'm saying? So if it's just setting up the money and doing nothing, so you try to find ways on making the money work for you. So I recognized that early on and always wanted multiple streams of income. You know, I feel like I feel like I'm a great entertainer. So I feel like I'm I'm gonna get booked, I'm still get booked, still bring home that. But I feel like it's important for me to use my relationships, you know, out here when I meet people to you know create partnerships that extend outside of the music.

SPEAKER_00 23:47

You you have a lot of spots in in the A, like restaurants, right? I got Escobar, I got the strip club, Candyland. I've been to the strip club. I've been to the strip club today, the the week, was it the weekend you over here?

SPEAKER_01 23:59

Yeah, yeah, y'all was in there. Yep, you and Ruggs and I saw y'all in there.

SPEAKER_00 24:03

That's something I that's very dope to see. And I'm glad that you talked about uh financial uh things, because a lot of these artists uh coming up younger, like we all did, we get the money we spend if you want to have fun. But for them to hear it is is something that could keep with them. So hopefully some of them spot on the floor.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

You gotta have fun. You got to. If you're a young artist, I dig it. You got to get the river. I mean, you got to do that.

SPEAKER_00 24:26

It has to have a I got I feel you.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

You got to do that.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

That gotta go there first.

SPEAKER_01 24:31

But like maybe next year though. Yeah. Save a little. At least start looking at like when I'm I've been at the studio at night, man. I ain't gonna lie, man. I used to look at jet prices, boat prices, home. I used to look at the most. I've been, man, I bought my house before I got my deal. I still look at crazy architect. I just, you know what I mean? And for the young ones out there, just you can get motivated off stuff like that, and it'll it'll kind of lead you in where that investment, that investment should be.

SPEAKER_00 25:08

Now, I I want to talk about content, how content is perceived and created now, because uh it's way different than it used to be. But that's one of the things that I've seen that you were ahead of the game also. So what uh what is it? Uh Twitch? Is that the name of it? What were you working out? What was what what did you have me working out on with you paused uh when it was the live stream when it was like a little bit? Yeah, that was uh what what was that? Was that Twitch or was that something else? Nah. Kick?

SPEAKER_01 25:37

What's that? That was uh damn, what man, wait. Triller.

SPEAKER_00 25:43

That was triller.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

That was triller. All right, so we did a triller that time. We did a triller.

SPEAKER_00 25:47

You had me on you, you had the triller set up there, camera following you. I don't know if it was live streaming, but you was recording, and then you was getting money for them recording the workout we was doing.

SPEAKER_01 25:58

Yeah, that was getting good, bruh.

SPEAKER_00 25:59

About like a like a probably like you were saying you was getting some money every month for them, a nice, a nice amount. I was just getting like there was enough for me to be motivated to work out every day right there. Oh no way.

SPEAKER_01 26:11

We finna work out, game. Pull up. I just yeah, yeah, they was giving me a good, man, they was giving me a good number, man. They was giving me a good number per workout for I don't know how many workouts.

SPEAKER_00 26:20

So but what I'm saying is so now that I'm looking at content, and this was a few years ago when I still was down in Miami, having my crib in Miami. I gotta go down there too. What my crib been sitting there for much. But to see you was already ahead of the game as far as content and things like that. Now, fast forward is something that you obviously forgot about. Maybe that's something you should pick back up. The way they streaming, the way they paying these dollars out for something that you was already tapped into doing.

SPEAKER_01 26:45

Man, you know, sometimes I it's some sometimes I do something and then I move on to the next. But in actuality, it's okay to pivot and go back and do something. Like people ask me about most expensive is every single day. To me, I did that, you know what I'm saying? But the way people ask about it, it makes you kind of curious. Like, what if I did revamp this? Um the same thing what we're talking about. So I'm into organic content like that. Like, I really I enjoy working out. Oh, you gonna pay to see the workout? Man, you can count me in. So if anybody's watching right now and want to, because like Jim, you're about to like a slicker trainer. You know what I'm saying? Jim, put your put your people down, you know what I'm saying? A nigga knowing what he's doing. He definitely knows about the stuff. You want me to, I don't be trying to show all my little stuff because I done work with so many different dope trainers, and I'm so intelligent that I done just made my own little thing going on. So I can be out of shape for two weeks and get it back. I can do all that stuff like that because I just I understand most groups, I understand, eating, I understand all of that, I understand fasting, I understand all of that stuff. So, you know.

SPEAKER_00 28:02

So what about these uh, I know there's a lot of young rappers coming up in Atlanta. Do do you like um play Big Brother to any of them? And do any of them reach out for guidance, uh, advice, anything like that from you?

SPEAKER_01 28:14

Man, you know, if somebody hit me up for some advice, I'll give them some. But I try to like, I try to be transparent with the game, though. I don't try to like gatekeep much info. Like I I done had people walk in a strip club like, bro, how you get this, bro, right? And I just tell them like how this type of stuff happens. People ask me straight up, you know, it's you know, certain artists ain't shy. They want to know your business, like, bro, what's going on? How you getting this? What's going on? And I I've never like kept any information from my peers.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

Is there any secret to you reinventing yourself? Like, just any certain thing.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

The secret is the voice in my head. I'm trying to put you down. Back to the book. You gotta teach this man how to how to run it back to the to the that's I I'm telling you, I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_00 29:06

Something told me to do this, something told me to do it. Now you're coming back as an author.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

Yeah, something told me it was time for that. Because guess what? I did the albums. I'm still doing the albums, still got another one coming, right? Players only live once. Some it's just some other, it's some the album, all white suits, you know what I'm saying? Red wine. And for the record. White rub, white rug. You know, this that kind of music. You trying to dance. You got them all white, white rug. You you you holding the red wine. But you like, that's what kind of music I finna put out. So it's like, I don't even really know how to just if I hope that's a great way to explain. Look, somebody in the corner playing a harp, right? Another person standing up with the two-pit playing a bass. Just a whole vibe. I'm just trying to tell you. Outside in the front, right? Them big columns, the big beans, right, inside of this, you know.

SPEAKER_00 29:56

The columns? Like the grease? The Greek columns? The big ones. All right.

SPEAKER_01 30:01

30 foot columns. Yeah, type stuff. Pavers in the front, on the way in the entrance pavers, three, four steps. Women with long dresses. You know what I'm saying? Cars lined up in the front, them ones, though. You know, the ones, the right ones. That's what type of album I'm about to put out. So anyway, in between the album, I'm dropping the book. I'm doing a it's feel like this, it feels like this album. Because get what? Get what, Jim? Hey, my audio part of this. Come on, man. You know I'm a creative janky. Look how I do on the audio part. Check M out now. That motherfucker got a music bed. That motherfucker got a score on it, right? When I'm reading certain parts of the book.

SPEAKER_00 30:42

Shit be going on in the background. Shit be going on in the movie. What? Cinematic.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

I'm trying to tell you. Niggas ain't thinking like that. Niggas ain't thinking like that. Y'all been doing audiobooks your whole life. Because I be listening to them. And some of them they be cool, some of them be dry, some of them have certain inflections and everything. So I read my own literature. You know what I'm saying? I read my own. I was a great reading in school. You know what I mean? I read my own, and then I went a little bit deeper. I added production. You dig what I'm saying? Now you ride, and then I'm describing this certain scene that the voice told me to do the whoop. You know what I mean? I'm just trying to tell you.

SPEAKER_00 31:23

Let's let's pull up something from the book. We got some excerpts from the book that we can pull up and I'm just trying to tell you, man. Let's let's let's let's let's get it. I'm just trying to tell the man. The descriptions are way too vivid. While we're looking for the excerpt, I just want to say I still owe you because the last few times that I sent you records, you sent them back very disrespectful. What happened, Jim? Now's what happened. Now is what happened, Kim. Cool. I owe you. I owe you, I owe you one. I've I've yet to be in the studio at the same time with you to create some YouTube. You gotta see it, man. So this shit magic. I love to show you, man. Any record we have, I've sent to you, which I appreciate. But you send you send back the shit so disrespectful. It's like, yo, bro, I I I owe you, I owe you one killer.

SPEAKER_01 32:09

You know the nigga, right? The nigga in the Benny Hunt nigga get to doing type of shit. Choo choo choo. Making heartbeats and shit. That's me when I'm cooking in front of niggas. I get to doing shit like that. I get to making a heart. I make a heart in front of niggas. I turn that shit into a choo-choo train. Then I might throw a shrimp in a motherfucker's mouth. Nigga, right down the studio. I'm like that. Man, I love doing that shit. I call it away games. I like going to other people's studio recording. Cause this is what happened. You got fans that you got fans, right? That pay to see the other team come, right? So if I'm coming to see something, if I'm coming to somebody else's studio, I gotta drop 50. It's a way game, you gotta go to it. I gotta drop. That's really my mentality. And then I want you to, and then where I'm going, I hope I want you to have work with somebody that I like admire. So you can compare energy. You can compare like things. Everybody ain't got it. But yeah, man, it ain't just you, Jim. Soon as a nigga send me something. I I send that bitch right back. Uh I call it homework, Jim. Look what I tell a nigga. I walk in the edge of the, hey man, we got some homework for tonight. I get that shit. Honestly, bro, and you won't believe this. This is so crazy. I damn near use features as warm-up for what I'm about to do.

SPEAKER_00 33:28

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_01 33:29

Yeah, I come in, hey man. I tell a nigga, I tell a nigga, this is no cap. I tell a nigga, man, we got some homework tonight. We're gonna do something for gym and blah, blah, blah. And I pull it up. And that feels like me stretching, getting loose. And then I go on and pull up. And then, like the song, maybe after that, be so nasty, Jim. Because I done just.

SPEAKER_00 33:46

I'm saying quiet, because the last time on social, you have to direct you like you, you like that, right? And it starts smiling. I said, bro, I ain't got time for this. I'm gonna get you at one of these away games. Don't worry, there's a time and place for everything. Now, in your book, there's a moment in 2012 you went to an all-star game, and that weekend was turning point for you. You don't want to talk about it? You know, I don't have to be a little bit more than a lot of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know you ain't right.

SPEAKER_01 34:09

No, no, no, no. That's in the book. No, I no, that's in the book. That's in the book. I think I talk about being at the um, I was about to try to find one of my little cinematic things. Um the the the the book, I went to the all-star game. This was, I don't know if it was 12, it might have been a little bit before 12, but basically I wasn't who I am right now, so I wasn't like where I needed to be, but like people recognize me. You know how it is, like I'm up there, but you know, it's the two-chain, like LeBron, them type of people yelling my name. You know what I mean? Just knowing that I'm on the cusp of, you know what I mean? It reassured you that nigga, that you do you. Yeah, it was something like that. Lady, this this type of thing I'm giving you right here. Okay. Y'all can hear through the thing, right? This was in the 80s, and back then, a power drill was like a new technology. Him owning a power drill was another thing that made him the man in our neighborhood. He would take that mirror down, and there was a hole behind it where he kept his pounds of weed. Anytime I would hear that sound back then, zz, zz, zz, I knew what was going on. He was either dumping weed in or taking some out. Even when I hear that sound now, I'm going right back into that house, right back into those moments. The night of the first drug bus, I heard my pants running to the house out of breath. It was around three in the morning and I had been sleeping. Me hearing him running in the loud started to wake me up. I really woke up once I heard him yelling my mom's name. I think they were about to hit the house. Immediately after he said that, I heard a familiar drill sound. At that time, I was only around four or five. But I knew what was going on. The Christmas tree was so bright that night, just lighting up the whole house. While folks was running around screaming, the first thing we heard the police say was, come out. And if you don't, we're gonna take a bulldozer and knock this whole house down. Then shortly after that, we started hearing a battering round. The whole foundation of the house started shaking. Then motherfuckers just started coming inside. From my adult perspective, I realized that the police must have followed him from a deal or what we call a thing. When the police came through the door, they told my pops, freeze, and drop that damn weapon. My pops was an outlaw, but not crazy enough to have a pistol or anything like that in his hand. He did still have that drill in his hand. And they had their flashlights and weapons pointed at him. I'm not sure. I'll never understand what happened next. Why my pops proceeded to do what he did, but he started to seriously pop off, behaving like he had a devil. He grabbed the hand of one of the officers who was holding the gun and placed the gun on his own head. Shit. Kill me. Go ahead. Kill me. Go on, do it. If you gonna kill me, just go on and do it. I had my head down on the bed. My pop started to get beat with guns and flashlights. I closed my eyes. Shit like that, man. Come on, man. Clap for a player. A nigga shit like that, man. Shit like that, no. For real. So, yeah, it's shit like that.

SPEAKER_00 37:15

Nah, I wanna I don't wanna keep you too long, but I just wanna point something out that they was telling me about that was in your book with um Tech, DJ Tech. Oh yeah, oh my gosh. The time they didn't have a flight for him, um, it could have been some would say one of the bigger opportunities in your career that could have happened, but you know. Who knows? The story happens the way the story happens, though. The story happens where the story happens. What I got from that was the loyalty you showed to your partner. Yeah. You heard? And that's a loyalty that's that I don't see too often in today's generation of the game and things like that. So that stood out to me a lot because I've been in those situations where I'd rather not, if I can't accommodate who's with me. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 38:08

Yeah, and and nothing to be wrong with this situation.

SPEAKER_00 38:10

You just be having this moral confidence that you just been, whether you got it from the streets or from your pops, or wherever you got it from, you just have this moral confidence that you just be No, because it's it's actually special, because it's not like you couldn't have gone and told him, yo, this is a big opportunity, I'm gonna go knock this out, and I'm gonna come right back and we're gonna figure this out. But the fact you stood in 10 toes, that he needed to be a part of that opportunity from or any opportunity from the moment it's it's it's solid to me, man. You and I and I and I really want to tip my hat to you for that. Thank you, fam. You know what I mean? Um you've done a lot, you've accomplished a lot. Um, like you said, you don't believe in glass ceilings. So is there anything else that you're looking to accomplish or to the journey that you're looking to go on?

SPEAKER_01 38:58

Yeah, so I got this. Um the voice in my head is God, I'm I'm looking to make this a New York Times bestseller. That's why I'm really making my rounds and really like stamping this. You know what I mean? Like I really wrote this book. It really took me almost three years to get this thing done. So and then I put out a short film last year called Red Clay. It's 20 minutes long. It's like it's uh it's really it's me peeling back the layers of really like the person that you see in this chair. And it's stuff in that short film that is not even in the book because I'm not even there yet. The short film is something that is only doing a festival run, it's not even out for the masses, but ultimately I have a proof of concept that I've set out with many potential buyers, let's just say, to turn this into a series. And it's something that is um it's a form of art and a form of storytelling that we rarely see in our community and have to the to the depths that I'm taking at gym. It's it's a tough conversation to have. And and I'm still not even there to talk about it. It's rough. But I I'm I'm this this red clay thing is something I'm really serious about. I'm really turning, I'm really serious and turning into something much bigger than a short film. So I'm working with that right now. This is already gonna, I feel like, do what it's supposed to do. It's gonna touch who it's supposed to touch. And then, of course, my love for music, as I just explained to you the whole scene of what my music sounded like. I still very much love doing that.

SPEAKER_00 40:42

So as mus as as we get older, I mean, me can do music forever, is what I feel like.

SPEAKER_01 40:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:47

Right? Yeah. But do you feel like uh doing things like uh the film, yeah, uh the book, uh things that give you extension on what we started with music, and that you can keep going in a whole new.

SPEAKER_01 41:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who knows? Like this this may just be my first book. I may be doing be on my second and third. Same thing with my film. I may start doing more of that, you know. I I got the podcast with my son. I enjoy doing that. I don't know. I can really do any and everything. Like, I'm one of them ones, like God really took his time with me. Like, it's like I totally understand. You dig what I'm saying? It's like, I ain't gonna lie, like, I tell her, I tell her quick the conveil, that conveil belt broke after me. Like, after me, it ain't even no more even get printed out. It ain't even print no more after me. The rest of the something else in them. I'm telling you. Quick, man. Straight up.

SPEAKER_00 41:50

I just wanna uh I want to thank you for coming by, Killer Man. I don't keep you too long. I know you've been on this uh promo run with the book. Um let's give them the name of the book again so they can see it clear. Yeah, the voice in my head. Voice in my head, voice in my head is God by two changes. Yeah, come here. Get the audio book. Is it out now? March 3rd, right now, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:08

Right now, it's out. Came out March 3rd. Make sure you get the audio. If you don't, I know, read I I read it for you. You don't want to, I read it for you, you go get the audio book. I tell, I tell somebody like, if you've ever worked with me, work for me, work next to me in any capacity, if uh you got a check off something that I was doing, or an opportunity off something that I'm doing, I'm coming to you as a humble player and just saying, you know, spend$20 with me, support the support the dream, support the the calling of being an author, and just see if you can get some. And like I say, the audio is very digestible, it's cinematic. You're gonna close. You see what I'm saying, Jim? I'm trying to put you down, Jim. I'm trying to help you.

SPEAKER_00 42:55

I ain't gonna lie, I'm getting an audio book out. So uh I listened to another audio book, me and um, me and my guy Rain, where he drive me home every night, and it's dope. We was used we listen to the whole book every night. We go home, we put that shit on. So we're about to look, we're about to get that one tonight. Some books like that.

SPEAKER_01 43:10

They be having game in it. You just some because sometimes when you rhyme, you miss some points and you just like just keep listening to it till you catch everything. So I get that. So yeah, man, but thank you, man. Thank you for allowing me on your platform.

SPEAKER_00 43:22

Before you leave, I got I got I got it. Come on, man, because I got gifts. So, for one, uh shout outs to Pele Pele. Uh Pele Pele Pele Maker. Uh Pele Pele is one of the sponsors for day. Playmakers, the big dogs. I appreciate y'all. You heard? Um, big things coming. Shout outs to Let's Rap About it. You can catch us every Wednesday in your tune. You already know. Go Logan. Catch my man Maino pausing his life away. Um, but like I was saying, Pele is one of our sponsors. So let's start off.

SPEAKER_01 43:52

Come on, my deals at shit, bro. I need that, man. Man, come on, man.

SPEAKER_00 43:57

This this this this is this is a Pele, a regular Pele. This is a gift. Okay. This is a gift. So you hold it me nice, man. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:11

Can't forget about Corey. Corey Vintage. That's my brother, too. Oh, yeah, that's player. That's a good drip right there. Yeah, that's blue with the orange. All right, boy, you know I love urn. I like that urn, boy. Love why my car got urn, gentlemen. Yeah, you got you definitely got it. Yeah, all the wilt. You know that? Yeah, you got the dip. It's nice.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

Got the dips up for you.

SPEAKER_01 44:39

Come on with the come on, man. I should have had these on the interview, them bright lights. See that brother. Come on, big bird on the side. Well, y'all, do me like that. Hook me up, man. Come on, I've been seeing that one. I've been seeing, I've been seeing that one. I've been seeing that one. This for me.

SPEAKER_00 45:02

Yes, for you, bro. For me, bro, for real. For you, bro. You my God, bro, for real. I appreciate you for coming by, man. It's nothing to laugh to me for real. But, ladies and gentlemen, it's been another episode of Artists and Artists. Yes, sir, man. Stay tuned to the next one. Appreciate your man. Two chains here. Go get the book. The voice in my head is God. I'm getting the audio version. I don't know what you're gonna get, but I'm listening to it tonight, going home. Peace out. See you next time.