SPEAKER_02 0:25

And we are back, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to another episode of Artist to Artists, where we feel this is a conversation that needs to be had, and we are sponsored by Playmaker. Playmaker, what's up? We got some very, very, very special guests in the house tonight. Um, CMB, the great Juvie, Manny Fresh himself. Yeah, yeah. We're gonna run it down the line. How y'all feeling? Good, man. Good. You you you got it right in there. Oh man, nah, y'all y'all got me excited, man. Um how can I start? Because it's so much. So all right, let's let's go back to when New York first heard juvenile before we heard any cash money records. And that's the 400 degrees album.

SPEAKER_00 1:17

400 degrees album, yeah. It was uh the first song was Huh. Huh.

SPEAKER_02 1:22

And then um the song was catching fire in the city. Um Cash Money Brothers, New Orleans supposedly be the people. And I'm telling you from how we got in New York, yo, they down there applying pressure, they going at P and M, yo, these are the new ones coming up. I'm just telling you how they ended in New York because P and M was already on Steam and shit like that. You know what I mean? And so they have busted open for New Orleans pause. Um, so that's what we had known New Orleans for at the fucking time. And then um came out, and then um it was CMB, Baby Jovie, Manny Fresh, Wheezy, Turk, uh BG B Jizzle. Yeah, welcome home, B Jizzle. I got to see him in uh in Vegas a couple months ago when we went out there to Vegas. Shout outs to B Jizzle, man. Um so now we hearing that record and then Jay jumps on the record.

SPEAKER_04 2:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:27

When Jay jumps on the record, it took it to a whole little stratosphere in the city. Because now the record took a whole life of itself in New York City. So when we heard your record, it's like now we expecting to hear the Jay verse and then took it out of control. Yeah, and then um I was there the night that y'all came to the tunnel the very first time.

SPEAKER_04 2:52

Yeah, that's our moment, though. That's when we was we really felt like okay.

unknown 2:56

All right.

SPEAKER_04 2:57

That was our moment.

SPEAKER_02 2:59

I was I was in the I was in the building that night that night, though. I was in the building that night, and um y'all had New York on standstill. You had you had y'all definitely did your numbers, and um, I don't think people understand stood for not just New York, but for the whole industry, what the tunnel meant. If you could come in and still see it and get that love and and receive that love from New York energy.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

You know, for us it was like, bro, we seen on the movies. You know what I mean? What crush groove is beat out Beach Street uh, we seen this on the movies. So we we we heard all the stories about how get booed and how they'll throw something before you, you know what I'm saying, and you up while you're on stage so you know that the garbage we ain't with it. The grimy New York or outside of New York, they ain't care.

SPEAKER_04 3:52

Yeah, that's us whispering to us. Like they gonna flip over y'all. Like what the floor is.

SPEAKER_00 3:59

Gave me some good advice though. Say, man, sing huh? Don't try to sing nothing else.

SPEAKER_02 4:04

That's it. Yeah, they just said that. New York said all the time. New York is a tough crowd. They can't wait. They can't wait to throw shit at you and shit like that. But nah, y'all, y'all, y'all was on fire, and then y'all never left fire. Like it just it just get it just got worse and worse and worse for the industry. Y'all was y'all was doing shit that I don't even still still think hasn't been done from the run that y'all acquired during that time, and then the artist rollout to Turk was on fire. Turk was on fire, probably Pete Gizzle was on fire. Wheezy was the smallest one, but he started coming on and going crazy, and people start falling falling in love with Wheezy and shit like that. The dynamic that y'all had was incredible. And I just want to give you your flowers while y'all sitting here, cuz it's so easy that people in this industry and the game, and even the new generation that don't know what history is, it seem to forget a lot of some of this great history and a lot of the reasons that pushed the music industry forward. And y'all were one of them groups of people that did so from rapping.

SPEAKER_00 5:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:18

The bar for us was, you know, you had to, you had to rock New York to be even, you know, to be considered hip-hop. That's that's kind of like how we grew up down south, you know. We just knew we was like, okay, that's the birthplace of it. So we have to, and in order for us to be written in stone, like as a great group, as great, whatever we done, we was like, we gotta rock New York. You know what I'm saying? And that was a lot of pressure, bruh. That was a lot of pressure gone.

SPEAKER_00 5:47

Man, you know what it is up here, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:49

We was like, these motherfuckers just stone faced, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 5:54

So far as far as production, so how so in the very beginning, were you the person that did all the production?

SPEAKER_04 6:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:01

Everything.

SPEAKER_04 6:01

Yeah, everything.

SPEAKER_02 6:02

Everything?

SPEAKER_04 6:03

Everything.

SPEAKER_02 6:04

It's a thousand artists on one label, bro. So you was pumping up all of them hits at one time.

SPEAKER_04 6:10

Yeah, like that was that was just one of the things that we were so in-house about. Like, you know, we wanted our sound to be super our sound. We wanted it to be something that, you know, when when when you talk about it later on years on, you know what cash money records sounded like.

SPEAKER_02 6:24

Now, did you create that sound? Is that a sound stemming from New Orleans?

SPEAKER_04 6:29

A lot of it is New Orleans. It's like Gumbo, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 6:32

And and he being modest about it though a little bit. Man, man used to make beats in three minutes. You know what I'm saying? So we sitting there trying to get a beat, get a song together, and he has switched up. It's like, nah, man. I'm trying to, I mean, y'all got your ideas already. Y'all see where it's going. And he started on a whole nother beat on it. Like, damn, bro, but we was, nah, bruh. Nah, bro. We got we got we got five songs we gotta do tonight. I'm just let me let me do what I gotta do. So, man, they ain't care about what you what your program was. He ain't give a fuck. You care about his program. I gotta get these beats out. I gotta, I'm I'm feeling like I need to go to something else. I'm going to something else.

SPEAKER_02 7:10

So before, before before we get to hear you in New York, how long have y'all been doing music before that?

SPEAKER_04 7:16

My first record came out in '87. First record I did was in 1987.

SPEAKER_02 7:21

What?

SPEAKER_04 7:22

Yeah. And I was DJing high school dances before that.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

So before we got to hear you in New York, y'all had major motion in New Orleans on the music scene.

SPEAKER_00 7:34

I'm 90. Yeah. I'm 90 with uh I was writing and stuff with DJ Jim. I had a song called Bounce for the Juvenile, like came out in '91. So I'm early too, a little bit early. And this is music definitely. That's before I got with cash money. Before I got with cash money, I had songs and records out before.

SPEAKER_02 7:51

So you were a solo artist before you got with cash money. Yeah, definitely. So when did you actually get with cash money?

SPEAKER_00 7:56

Shit, man. Look, the solo artist shit wasn't working out. I went and got a job. Shit should have gone working out for me. So I went and got a job and I bumped into my dog uh uh I bumped into one of my partners and he introduced me back to them. I already knew how I knew baby from the hood. But I didn't know he had, I ain't knew that he had cash money, I ain't knew all that was going on, right? And uh they picked me up at the bus stop coming from work. I spit that shit to them all the way to the house. And uh they came looking for me the next day.

SPEAKER_04 8:28

Yeah, I was like, you can't let this dude go. You know, I was like, shit, he done spit like 14, 15 songs in the back of the car, you know, and everything was different. And I was like, y'all gotta sign him. And you know, just the the the crazy thing, the demographics, how New Orleans is my dad knew Juvey before I knew him.

SPEAKER_00 8:44

His pops is a DJ.

SPEAKER_04 8:46

Yeah. My dad knew him before I even knew him, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 8:50

He used to let us get down all the time, all the time for him on uh he used to DJ around my hood. And he said, Man, look, don't be, you know, don't be nervous, just do your thing. Give me the mic, I'll be hyping this shit up and shit. So that his pops kind of helped me know what I need to say when I get in front of the audience from the beginning. You know, you know how I'm talking about put your hands up, shake it, put your hands from the left and right and all that shit there. That's where I started from with his pops, long before I met Manny.

SPEAKER_02 9:18

So what year were all y'all together sign to cash money when it was everybody, B. Jizzle, Turk, Wayne, you, what year was that that that started?

SPEAKER_00 9:27

I got the cash money, I'm gonna say 95.

SPEAKER_04 9:30

Yeah. And it still wasn't all together yet. You know, it was still putting the pieces together when Ju V got there, you know. So I I'll say a solid year would be like 97 when it was all like, okay, it's legit. Like, you know what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 9:44

And your record was the first record to put cash money on the map, or was there a record before that that y'all started with?

SPEAKER_00 9:48

Well, well, I had a song called Soldier Rack, but my dog BG, I'm gonna say BG, definitely with with his first album.

SPEAKER_04 9:55

His first album uh Chopper City. Chopper City went crazy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:59

And I was on that. You know what I'm saying? Me and Bunby was on my first song with Cash Money, and that's before 400 Degrees. That's long before 400.

SPEAKER_04 10:07

Well, the crazy thing, Chopper City changed the whole format of what Cash Money was. It really did. You know what I'm saying? It was it was that we was like, okay, now this is truly a rap label. It's a hip-hop label going forward from here, you know, and that and and it never looked back from that. Them beats on that motherfucker. Yeah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 10:24

All y'all from the same hoods in New Orleans or from different parts? New Orleans, small, so you can't say it's all the same hood, but nah. You know, he from the uh Seven Ward. I'm from uptown. That's he from downtown, I'm from uptown.

SPEAKER_03 10:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:36

Really, when we make it laugh, it had a lot of downtown niggas making beats, man. But KLC, you know, we had a couple niggas up uptown like KLC, but downtown niggas was known for the beats.

SPEAKER_02 10:48

Yeah. And uptown known for the rap. Exactly, yeah. Sorry, so let me ask you this. What was there ever a problem between cash money and no limit?

SPEAKER_04 10:58

No. Me and KL actually DJ'd in the club together when we were teenagers, dude.

SPEAKER_00 11:03

The crazy part about that, while while they were saying that, we was going to the club and shit. Me and Mr. Court and everybody, like, but I used to go visit Mr. Court in Baton Rouge when he was up there all the time. You know, we used to be caught trading and showing off cars to each other. But man, the whole while when they were saying all that shit, we'd go home, man. We'd be in the club smoking and everything, drinking.

SPEAKER_02 11:25

So did your calling still knew all of them niggas coming up before the music.

SPEAKER_00 11:30

Long before the music, bro. Long before the music.

SPEAKER_04 11:32

Mia was in a group with us. She grew up with us in the Seven Worlds. Shells. Right? Shell. Mia was in our. Nah, this is gonna even go crazier. The dude Mac, who was like nice, nice on the mic.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

Mac was with cash money. He was on chopper.

SPEAKER_04 11:46

But before before all of that, Mac was nine years old. His first song is called I Need Will. I Need Wills. I did his first song. You know what I'm saying? He was nine years old at the time.

SPEAKER_00 11:58

What? Real talk, bro. Yeah. That bitch was playing like crazy on the radio.

SPEAKER_02 12:03

So what was the first record that knew that made you feel like, oh, it's on now. Ain't no coming back. I'm gonna say soldierag, bro.

SPEAKER_04 12:11

Yeah, when we was doing I think Chopper City was, was, was, was that it changed the scope of it, but when I got to do him, it was a breath of fresh air because I never, you know, like when at the time people would just rap. You know, there was no structure or no nothing cool about it. He was the first MC to just like, I'm like, god damn, he got like, you know, he got this thing, he got this swag to it. The next song don't sound like this song. Like, or the or the next subjects is something crazy. And what really made the, you know, sometimes you need a challenge to make you good. Juvie had no clue of how to count bars. So I had to work around him. Some shit would be 17 and a half bars, and I'm just like, how the fuck you ended on a half?

SPEAKER_00 12:56

But look, I walk in that bitch talking so much accent. And I'm like, we ain't gonna be. I'm about to fuck over all y'all. Nigga, yeah. I hope you got. I see Wayne in the car. I'm like, my motherfuck, y'all niggas. I'm not the guy. I be the best fan. It's like that around here with the youngsters.

SPEAKER_04 13:09

Like they. I just adjusted to, I was like, I'm not changing that shit. It sounds so good. Like, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 13:14

Yeah, it's the kind of this is this is dope, because you know, coming up, I don't we only see and her where we know from when you're actually made it to our parts. We're not from the south, so I know probably in the for seven people it's probably a different story when they when you hit when they hit cash money. But for us, uh the the backstory is very important. It made a it made a lot of sense. I swore, we swore that cash murder in O Linda was beefing and shit. Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 13:42

I just think we was just from different areas, and we we kind of had to have that, you know, this our thing, this y'all thing. Like, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 13:50

Because we didn't do the good job of saying it wasn't.

SPEAKER_04 13:53

Yeah, none of us really did, you know.

SPEAKER_00 13:56

It was some good controversy. I'm gonna be honest with you.

SPEAKER_04 13:59

And the thing was, we had different sounds from them. I think No Limit sound was completely different from what country was.

SPEAKER_02 14:04

No, it was 100% two different sounds that was knocking, because we we grew to love both cash money and no limit.

SPEAKER_04 14:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:10

So did you always rap, or or that was just something that you said, you know what, we're gonna we're gonna jump in the booth too.

SPEAKER_00 14:16

They was you know what's funny? They never call themselves rappers. They was, bitch, I'm a gang spitter.

SPEAKER_04 14:22

Bitch, I'm a I had songs that I structured and had already wrote, you know, prior to that, but I never stepped on the mic. So it was like, okay, I had to convince Baby that he could do the shit. So instead of saying we rappers, I was like, bruh, we game spitters. You know?

SPEAKER_02 14:43

How did you convince Baby to be in a rap group?

SPEAKER_04 14:46

I was like, bruh, it but the the lore of look, bruh, this shit gonna be bigger than you could ever imagine. Like you would have said, Y'all kill shit, bro.

SPEAKER_02 14:56

Nah, y'all kill shit.

SPEAKER_00 14:58

When we realize, I don't know if y'all remember the box.

SPEAKER_04 15:01

Yeah, yeah. Remember the box? Oh, yeah. Video screen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:04

You call it, yeah, yeah. Fucked us up, man. We used to watch that shit and see people be sitting down, man. My bad. This shit. You good, you good. But we we sitting there, we watching a box, and we seen how many people steady, you see them numbers punched, and they steady all in our videos and shit. We like, say, bro, they like, yeah, and we see what videos they picking, and they picking the same shit, and they like this nigga to talk that shit. They don't give up they like to see. Yeah. Nigga saying, say, bro, I ain't gonna lie. If I could be anybody out the group, I'd be bird, man. Nigga, I ain't gonna even lie, nigga. I'm I'm never wanna stutter, nigga. I got to be talking. So he he realized that shit and he ran with it. Oh, he bought it that shit. See, once he realized, man, I ain't gotta even fucking run. Fuck that. I'm just gonna talk about it. I got these old ice sucking nuts. Bro. My little BG on the plate, putting out cigarette butt. Nigga, you know how gangster that is, how hood. Think about break that dog, nigga. It don't make no hooder than that.

SPEAKER_02 16:04

Bro, this is what I'm trying to say. So, but when you got momentum in this game, yeah, yeah, you gotta use it wisely. Cause at that point in time, you can do anything. You know what I mean? Like, and that's what a lot of people don't take advantage of is that momentum because they think it's gonna come back around. Yeah, like you know.

SPEAKER_04 16:24

That's the biggest mistake right there.

SPEAKER_02 16:26

Y'all just kept diving, boring to diving, y'all just kept going back and back for more momentum and shit like that. It is a snowball effect that just went so crazy. Now I don't like talking about the bad, the bad times, so we're gonna we're gonna skip that. But coming back together.

SPEAKER_04 16:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:46

What was that a constant decision from everybody?

SPEAKER_04 16:50

The fans, bro. It's always the fans that make you really and you gotta, you know, and and on a lot of shit, just grow up and and and and see what they saying. You know, because me and Juvie was on the road, you know, and we was just doing our thing, naturally doing what we do. You know, shit. We've been doing this for a long time, like when when, you know, there was never when there was no thoughts about coming back together. So, but we was we was seeing like how the fans react to, you know, when we like, hey, how how would y'all like to see all of us? And you know what I'm saying, and this and we got this crazy moment, and we paying homage to, you know, who wasn't here or whatever, and we playing their songs, and they just like, damn, this would be. So I think a lot of fans start giving other people pressure, going like, man, y'all should do this shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? Y'all, like, this is social media. Yeah, so who's the media put it?

SPEAKER_02 17:36

So I out of everybody, who was the first one to put it on the table?

SPEAKER_00 17:39

Oh, damn. I'ma say, I'ma say bird. Yeah? Yeah. I'm gonna say stunner, man. Stunner would kick me up and say, nah, shit, if you're gonna fuck with it, I'm fucking with it definitely. You know, I that's all I need to hear, but I need to hear him commit.

SPEAKER_02 17:53

How that made you feel at that point? Like, I know because I've been through certain shit, and certain shit is like, certain shit is sincere that make you feel like this is you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 18:03

It man, it it's a it's a breath of fresh air. You know what I'm saying? Like, man, okay, my dude, he he ready to do this shit. Man, I'm like, man, they say, man, what you gonna do? They got this big stupid bag with us, you know what I'm saying? BG calling me constantly. Yeah, he got free. He called me like, say, bro, they saying he got this here, but his numbers, man, they looking nice. All right, let's do it.

SPEAKER_04 18:26

You know, but but you gotta think, like, what was me and me and Juvie got it first. Like, like, and let me tell you, like, see, what a lot of people don't know, and and cause we got too cool to even say some shit like this. When Baby came to us and said, listen, bruh, for real, I get it. You know, I fucked up a lot of shit. You know what I'm saying? Because I was young, I didn't know how to do it, but you know, I apologize to y'all and let's move forward. That shit meant the world us. Like, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 18:51

It does, it does.

SPEAKER_04 18:52

And I'm like, okay, now we could build, we can move. You see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 18:56

E Jack is man, you know, I ain't know what the fuck. We all ain't know what the fuck we was doing. And when it when you go back and you check it, it's it's facts. It's these are facts.

SPEAKER_02 19:03

And be like that. Yeah, yeah. Because a lot of all of us was doing that. Everything is new, everything. Everything is new in the moment. It's not nothing we was taught to get in this industry and and have it figured out. You know what I mean? Especially with the success coming at people so rapidly and that money coming. You just, it's just, you know what I mean? But I'm glad that y'all was able to figure it out and come to a medium where everybody could see eye to eye, because that shit is dope. I'm a I'm a fan of y'all coming up, so I know, like I said, there's plenty of fans that enjoy seeing your back together. Now, with that being said, your back together. So, walk us through how the whole versus thing came about.

SPEAKER_04 19:41

Believe it or not, it actually started with Wayne, and then, you know, he kind of asked Swiss and him about doing it, and then Swiss and them, you know, put it together. Swiss and Tim put it together, and and you know, it just was one of them things, shit. You you do this, you know, you you've been in this, especially when you when you a group. When we first started, we was like, okay, everything is solid, everything good, you know, or what, you know, but what we've also learned too is we individually do our paperwork. You know what I'm saying? So he does his shit, I do my shit, and whoever else do their shit. So we we was all signed in. We was like, okay, let's go. But but we we, you know, we wasn't checking for how somebody else feels or whatever was going on with them. So we was ready to do it. We thought it was like the only shit drawback we had was we shouldn't have done it in Vegas. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, really. That was that was the only one but it was like we here.

SPEAKER_02 20:34

That was that was that was the biggest thing that we were saying, like, bro, this was supposed to be done in New Orleans. You see how they gave us a chance to do the live and the dipset in New York? So it's never a dull moment. Exactly. You know what was gonna go on. That was like New York Bible right there. So now if y'all would have did that shit in New Orleans, yeah. We gotta fix that. I still keep saying that.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

That'd be probably been bigger than a Super Bowl out there, bro. Besides feel the same way.

SPEAKER_04 21:00

And the the the the message, you know, bigger than all of us was we definitely had to show the the planet, the universe that we ain't got no fucking beef. And we grown ass men, so it's time to whatever, you know what I'm saying? Let's go get it.

SPEAKER_02 21:14

Nah, ain't no problem. That was that was an incredible sight to see. Um I'll ask you something, because I got we got uh so Jewell's is like our little brother, and y'all got Wayne like your little brother. This is so funny. So it's like for Juels, it's like he can't even do no wrong to us, no matter what goes on. You heard? Like it was like that, but like that's my thinking that's I don't even care. You heard like it just don't like it just it fills me with joy no matter what. Every time I see him and shit like that, I'm I like and it kind of like give me, he looks at y'all and kind of like feels like Wheezy is Wheezy's like in the same position to all you are.

SPEAKER_04 21:50

You know what I'm saying? Whatever the fuck happens, you're gonna protect him, you know what I'm saying? I ain't having it.

SPEAKER_00 21:57

I'm not having it, bro. Like, I'm a I'm I'm really me. Personally, I'm gonna take it to my heart. Like, I'm not about to let no nigga stand in front of me and he don't speak no ill will about him in front of me. Nobody, I'm I'm gonna say something. I'ma defend him, and I don't know if they always say, Man, you bias and nah, but whatever. You know what I'm saying? Whatever. However you feel, nigga, fuck it. That's how I feel.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

Yeah, because I because it's not it's not so many people like that I in this industry that kind of like this got the same dynamic. So I always wanted to know that because he like don't matter what it don't matter what he do, bro.

SPEAKER_00 22:28

Yeah, he did enough for me even in installed him. He didn't he always do shit for me. So I he one of them people that motherfucker, I just not I'm not a I'm not having it.

SPEAKER_02 22:38

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 22:39

Oh, I'm not having it. And then he the greatest of all time rapping. So I argue this shit with a thousand people. I always had that. Wayne is my goat.

SPEAKER_04 22:48

Well, the the one thing with music, it doesn't translate to people that, especially when it's a group that's a family, that y'all still a family. You know, people just see the music part, and you just like, well, shit, shit happens when it's families. And we gotta move on, you know. But if it's really your family, you're not gonna expose that shit like that. You know, you like, well, you know what, whatever, whatever it was, we dealt with it. And that's that's all you're gonna get out of us. You feel me?

SPEAKER_00 23:13

I'd be like, nigga, do you know what we went through?

SPEAKER_02 23:15

I'm gonna know what we went through to be. I don't even care, I don't care what goes on, bro. Like, and if I if if if me and you had a bond, anything that we went through that could possibly put shade home or just put a whole different dynamic, I'm not even into exposing that. You heard? Yeah. If I got a problem, I got a problem. We gotta we gotta solve that. You heard? Like we solved that. But I can't, I'm not that catty. I can't be like, oh, oh, no, no, no, trying to like that shit is like so. I'm not, I I'm I'm never into that, bro. I like confrontation more than I like rumors, you heard? Like, I you know what I mean? Like, not to say it like that, but it's like, it's just nasty and shit like that. But it's life and shit like that. So now, with that being said, in this industry, I know it's not easy. Um Was it easy for y'all being from the South, getting respect in the industry on all levels from the business side and to the music side? Because y'all came up in a time where the South wasn't winning at that point just yet. Y'all were bubbling, but y'all wasn't totally winning. So was it a hard navigation at that time coming up?

SPEAKER_00 24:25

It was, man. But that free throw that Jay-Z threw to me really helped out, and it helped us both out on both sides. Because I feel like he plus two on on the South, and you know, coming on the South, but dude just jumped on a record and we didn't even ask him to jump.

SPEAKER_02 24:40

I think it might have worked better for him than it actually worked for y'all. Because New York is one place, think about that. Even though it holds the most, at that time holds the most weight in the industry. But you live here, it might matters the most for a New York person to have a have a record out on a super stupid South record that we don't get the exposure in the South. Not that, not the South y'all at. Yeah, you know what I mean? That covers so much of the South. That's Houston. That's you, you know what I mean? That's that's that's a lot of South. He flipped the whole narrative. Now he got a whole new fan base that's built in there, as opposed to him visiting these places, they waiting for him to come now.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

We didn't mind though. Yeah, no, of course. Of course. We both wanted something out of it. But no, you're both got you're both you're both got it. To me, what he he saw what we saw. Because me and Manning was in there arguing about it. Because he was like, man, why this nigga jumped? Everybody like, why this nigga jump on our record?

SPEAKER_04 25:44

We look like Man Let It Run.

SPEAKER_00 25:45

Me and Juke was like Man Let It Run. I'm like, shit, I said that nigga just.

SPEAKER_02 25:48

But when he jumped through that record, that was like letting that record. That was one of the most clever moves that happened around that time in the industry. Because, I mean, people probably be jumping on people's records, but it it wasn't at that capacity.

SPEAKER_04 26:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:01

You know what I mean? And and it wasn't an official joint, it was just like a New York shit that New York niggas do. Like, oh, give me that shit. I'm ripping that and I'm putting that back on Rebels and put it out. Yeah. Because he had the power in New York, he knows that shit was gonna slap because it was already slapping, and that changed how artists of New York started doing music.

SPEAKER_00 26:19

Yeah, they re-released the album with him on it.

SPEAKER_02 26:24

So and at that point, it's dope because on the business side, I don't know if people know it, you didn't even need a clearance.

SPEAKER_04 26:32

I didn't know.

SPEAKER_02 26:34

On the business side, he because he jumped on your shit.

SPEAKER_04 26:36

Well, that's how June, that's how he ended the the argument. You know, like we because like you said, both of us was like, we was for it, and everybody was like June said he did the shit for free.

SPEAKER_00 26:46

That's how the argument we talked about. We was in that fucking that's exactly how the argument was.

SPEAKER_02 26:51

And the business side is though, but he jumped on your record. Yeah, you don't have to get clearance at that at that point in time. Yeah, you heard that's your like man.

SPEAKER_04 26:58

Look, what y'all arguing about?

SPEAKER_02 27:01

He did it for free. I mean, that's uh that's what happened with me with the uh with the balling record when he remixed the shit in New York and he remixed balling coming at me and all that. I'm like, whoa, I got a free, a free crazy. He jumped on my shit. I'm gonna get clear. It's no look. Yeah, man. Shout out to the whole, man. Shout out to Rock Nation and everybody over there, man.

SPEAKER_00 27:22

Um shouts out to him. You know, you know, uh, you know, right now Megan Stallion is on my new single.

SPEAKER_02 27:28

Fire.

SPEAKER_00 27:28

So yeah, fire. Fire. Double shouts out to Rock Nation. We gotta get that video done personally.

SPEAKER_02 27:33

Speaking about that, y'all have to be the most remixed group right now in today's era. Yeah. From all around, from all the beasts that you done to some of the records that you've done, it still goes all the way back to him. But you know what I'm saying, you did so. How does that feel?

SPEAKER_04 27:55

Uh I I feel like that's that's like one of them moments in this shit that you know you arrived, that you still living and they using your songs. Like, you know, usually that's some some dead man shit. Right. And it's just like, oh fuck, they reusing, you know, all of the da-da-da-da. It's like shit to still be here in hip-hop. We never we never had a catalog from another hip hopper. We got the shit from James Brown, the Wheels. Yeah, all that type of shit. So I'm like, this this this is this to me, like this, some great fucking honor that, you know, like like incredible to be like, wait, y'all, y'all sampling some shit that another rapper did or another, you know, DJ or whatever, because we had to always borrow shit from everybody else. That's what's like actually borrowing shit from the source.

SPEAKER_02 28:39

From from from the actual Oracle, because when y'all start making beats, they like every 10 years people start sampling beats from 10 years ago. Yeah, but that was 80s, that was 70s, yeah. You know what I mean? It didn't start really maturing until you actually got into 2000s and 2010s, where now you could go back 10 years and you now you doing one of these records instead of doing a Smokey Robertson record over and shit like that. You know what I mean? And I and I know the money gotta be good. Yeah, I know that shit gotta feel crazy every time they call you to get the clearance, like what I'd be mad about and say, man, use some of the words, man.

SPEAKER_00 29:21

Man is getting everything.

SPEAKER_02 29:26

I can't say this for artists out there, and you know, some people probably don't get it, get the reap what they supposed to because of whatever their publishing situation is. But if you made some hits in this game, oh yeah. I know where you're gonna go. And you're able to last long enough.

SPEAKER_04 29:45

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:46

You heard?

SPEAKER_04 29:46

Yeah. You you know you had a movement, so you know that shit gonna come back. You you know it's gonna. And the the crazy thing is sometimes you just gotta introduce, like, you know, like if if you you'd be surprised. Like, I remember my my son, somewhere around maybe 10, 11, I gave him uh an iPod with just all cool ass songs on. Like shit that was, you know, our era, whatever, Marvin Gay, da da da and all of that. And now that's his playlist, and now he's like, I'm about to give this to my son. You know what I'm saying? But but that shit, you you see that shit come back around. And when your kid prefer your era of hip hop, and you know he, you, you, he's like, nah, I like y'all shit, dad. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 30:31

You 100% you left a you you left a good impression, man. That's dope. Um, he was Juvie was talking about uh and I had slipped my mind. We um I had lived in Houston for like two years.

SPEAKER_03 30:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:44

I had a good time out there. Shout out to everybody in Houston. Texas is a fun spot. Um I got to build a club out there. It was like called Club Dipset. I went out there like the year during um football, a f uh a Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_00 30:59

Oh, it was yeah, it was Super Bowl. Super Bowl weekend.

SPEAKER_02 31:02

Yep, and when we was doing uh the scissor liquor and um we I booked Jubi for one of the uh club nights uh cover host and shit like that.

SPEAKER_00 31:13

How about that bitch I was like, man, this nigga.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

Yeah, because at that time, so you figure what's this 03 maybe?

SPEAKER_04 31:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:19

That's like what's that 02, 03? What year was that?

SPEAKER_04 31:22

The year the Super Bowl was in Houston. The last time.

SPEAKER_02 31:25

That had to be on New Year's. I think it was about that.

SPEAKER_04 31:27

It was about I had gigs every fucking well.

SPEAKER_02 31:30

It had to have been like O three. I would remember. I wasn't signed yet. I didn't sign my deal with cotches yet. Like so it had to have been like 02, 03 and shit like that. Like, damn.

SPEAKER_00 31:42

All I know is nigga, I turned up in that motherfucker. That shit was fun like a motherfucker.

SPEAKER_02 31:47

Nah, that shit was a that shit was incredible. The whole Houston experience was incredible. When I left Houston were a lot of different gems, and one of them was the independent game. Yeah. I was able to see how the South artists were making eight. So I was a Slim Thug, bro. Like Eighton. He's like in Houston, and there's a there's a lot of them out there in Houston. Uh like that just some of the older people that I know. Um, but Slim Thug, when I came out there, he was already up maybe a couple M's, no lie.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

Off of selling CDs out the trunk. They don't need other states. No, it was this shit was amazing.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

And I mean, everybody knows the records, the album, the music. Like, it just was amazing to me. And it wasn't just, but he was the one that stood out the most because he was really making rapper money, is what we would say back then. Because I'm looking at him like, I know niggas rappers back home. That's not true.

SPEAKER_04 32:50

Yeah, you like used to pass. You like this bloody.

SPEAKER_02 32:56

God damn. So when I get back to New York and we're about to start doing the diplomat deal, they was able to get us a deal at Def Jam for the label and also be able to get us a deal for Joel's, but they was reluctant on signing me at Rockefeller, which was cool. And that gave me, like, oh now, you know what we're doing? We go independent. You heard? We do the same thing we did at Koch, and that's what I told Killer told Killer, like, these people don't care if I'm signed at Def Jam. They just worrying about the diplomat and the way what what diplomat records is we gonna sell and shit like that, and we could take that anywhere. And then we took that to Kotch and did the whole independent thing. And since then, I've always been an independent artist and shit like that, you know what I mean? So I'm very grateful to spend my time in the South. Like, I spent my time a lot of different places and um coming up and shit like that. Like, you know what I mean? Like we was big on doing like residencies. That's another thing that Cam was big on when we was younger. Like, go to Chicago, stay there for a few months, but I go here, stay out there for a few months, like and and and build a community and shit like that. That's one of the things that we were doing in this uh industry. What y'all got here? Why do you think loyalty is such a good trait to have in this industry? That's what y'all are gonna go. Loyalty. Loyalty is royalty, royalty, huh? Um y'all feel about loyalty in this in this industry, though. Like skip all that loyalty in this industry, how you feel about that? Is it there? Is there is there any loyalty in this industry? I don't think it matters.

SPEAKER_00 34:22

Because you should you should know, you should understand that you shouldn't be getting into a uh uh a business. Uh huh. You're in a business. So uh does loyalty matter if you if you if if you're in a business? I mean how how you looking at it? Looking at it from an employee standpoint? Because what what you mean by loyalty, like it's gonna be defined different ways. You mean loyalty as a somebody that's gonna take something from you, steal something from you, or loyalty? I mean loyalty, I mean loyalty for you and work for somebody else too.

SPEAKER_02 34:58

I mean loyalty as in the form of you come up in this game with a group of people, and with everything that goes on, do you expect still expect loyalty in this day?

SPEAKER_00 35:16

I think we gotta do so much. So much uh I think for me, man, I try I try to lower my expectations. You know? And just being honest, like, I don't I don't put myself in a position where loyalty matters so much because I I've already lowered my expectations and I don't put people in positions where it's gotta be about loyalty. You know what I mean? I I'm I'm married about it be 22 years. My wife is the the greatest definition of loyalty to me. And my kids. And I think outside of that, it really I I don't I don't look for loyalty, put it like that. I'm not looking for it. Because I ain't in the gang and I ain't in the I ain't in the streets.

SPEAKER_04 36:04

If you if you a family, you know, like shit, if you starting some shit, I would love to have loyalty. You know what I'm saying? If if we starting something. But but but your question was in this day and age, right now, like I don't fuck, I don't even see nothing being a super group no more. You know, so some shit might be cross your T's and dot your I's. I don't I you know, you don't see, you know, like fucking swish a house, you know, rap a lot, dipset. You don't see none of that like as a movement no more. You know, like it's just like two days later, all that shit done, whatever, whatever it started out. You like, okay, the the first shit came out, then it's over with. So it's it's I I would love to have the word, but I'm like him, like we not basing it, because you know what I'm saying, Jim.

SPEAKER_00 36:52

We're not basing it on loyalty no more right now. Because it ain't it's it's is it is it is it out there?

SPEAKER_02 36:59

Um I would say loyalty comes in different forms.

SPEAKER_00 37:03

It does, it does. I'm not I'm not saying that it's no loyalty.

SPEAKER_02 37:07

No, no, I'm I'm with you. I'm I'm what you said is a perfect answer. Yeah. You heard? Like you're loyal to your family, loyal to your wife. Yes. That's enough right there from what you've been through. That means you've been to enough to say, you know what, I'm comfortable right here. Everything else I'm gonna keep at an arm's length and have a great rapport and do business with people and shit like that. You did it? Yeah. Exactly. I feel like loyalty sometimes like can be a person like using you. Because it depends on what a person is loyal to. They might be loyal to you for the ultimate ulterior motive of what you can offer them. You know what I mean? Yeah. Some people might be loyal to you for your betterment. They really genuine with you for the journey. Other people just loyal for the benefits. And I don't know if that's loyal because that turns real quick when there's nothing else to to benefit. So it's like you you gotta pick your poison out here. And a few people that you do have that you feel that are loyal to you, then you gotta treat them as such, too. You know what I mean? It's a two-way street. You can't expect somebody to be loyal to something that you're not as loyal to. You know what I mean? Right, bro. Right, bro. It's like, and and the people in our position is like that. So it's like if you start to do music just out of nowhere, all of a sudden everyone puts you here. You heard?

SPEAKER_04 38:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:36

And everybody becomes loyal to this, right? Yeah. But in that position, a lot of us forget to be loyal back to the same people. That's right. You know what I mean? And these are one of the things that I've learned coming out. You dig? Because we can do a lot on our own on our own, but at some point we're gonna need somebody.

SPEAKER_03 39:00

Yeah, I'm gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_02 39:01

You definitely need man. You know what I mean? We're gonna have to trust somebody. At some point, you're gonna have to have somebody that's in your corner for you to do certain things and shit like that. So, but uh it's a it's a it's an opinion. So it's it's all loyalty is all an opinion, I believe. Just like everything else.

SPEAKER_00 39:17

And then sometimes it can be bent different ways. 100%.

SPEAKER_02 39:20

100%, you know what I mean? So it's a it's a give and take, it's a two-way street. Going through so many ups and downs in this game and trying to find yourself, and you know, trying to make your reassurance has to be a way to learn how to reinvent yourself. Um do you have any secret recipe on reinventing yourself so many times over? Bro, this is because this is this is not an easy task to give up this long and dedicate most of our years of our life to this industry. Like I spent more years of my life in this industry than I spent anywhere else, period.

SPEAKER_04 39:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 39:54

I'm gonna give you my short one and let Juvie. You to me, you gotta be scared to go over, under, around, through walls, fences, whatever the fuck, not know what's on the other side. And if you ain't built like that, you probably not gonna be able to reinvent yourself. Like, you know, because you gotta dust yourself off and get your ass back out there, you know, and especially in these times, because one fucked up story can, you know what I'm saying, change the whole way shit happens.

SPEAKER_03 40:23

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 40:24

And and if you're not from built, if you're not built that way, then you don't give a fuck about that. You just keep moving. You know, and and I think I thank God that we are built that way to just be like, man, I'm dusting that shit off. I don't care about what what y'all talking about. See me at the finish line.

SPEAKER_00 40:40

And with me, is just you gotta be willing to take collective criticism and be willing to reinvent yourself. You know, like sometimes we get so stuck into what we did back in the days, and we let our fans sometimes pull us into what they heard back in the days, we forget about this ain't back in the days. You know what I'm saying? It's 25, 15, whatever, how many years later, and our lives are totally different and we don't think and live the same ways. And I think we need to just stay locked in on to where we at in life, and I think that works better.

SPEAKER_02 41:15

So saying that we don't think and we don't live the same ways. I do a lot of things that we used to do. Do you feel that we have to change our music because of this?

SPEAKER_00 41:27

With me, I try to be where my feet are, right? I try to like stay where I'm at right now. You know what I mean? What's actually going on in my life? I try to make my music relate to that as much as possible. You know what I mean? Because I'm definitely not out there chasing nobody down, trying to bust a motherfucker in the head. Yeah, definitely not shooting at nobody. I ain't selling no dope. You know what I'm saying? I ain't snorting nothing. I ain't smoking, I ain't smoking no weird shit, I'm smoking weed. You feel what I'm saying? I ain't the nigga I used to be. That's what I'm trying to tell you. I'm a different nigga. Except that, you know what I'm saying? Accept me who I am now.

SPEAKER_03 42:07

The music though.

SPEAKER_00 42:08

Hey, man, you want the I'm getting it. Hey man, God bless me to have a God bless me to realize the person that I was ain't really it. You know what I'm saying? That ain't it, man. That was cool. Yeah, that shit ain't cool now. If you're 51 years old out here doing that bullshit, where that's gonna have you at in life? Where that's gonna get you.

SPEAKER_02 42:30

So when you came to that realization, like it's like, how was that?

SPEAKER_00 42:34

It's very simple. Grow the fuck up. And that's what it was for me. Like, man, grow the fuck up. And I'm not a person to be going in and out of jail or nothing like that, but I was getting myself a little winky thing, stupid shit that made no sense. And still ain't doing things that made no sense. And I started, you know, saying it's time for me to grow the fuck up.

SPEAKER_02 42:53

So you think uh just we talking about because you've you've been to the highest of highest one of the people that had some of the biggest success. And then the game has a thing where it goes cold on you and then it starts to fuck with your psyche, and some people spiral, some people indulge, some people everybody deals with it a different way. Do you think at that moment that these was some of the remnants of you spiraling out of control from the cold moments of success?

SPEAKER_00 43:34

That happened before my success. That's what I was talking about. Like that happened before my success. Me spiraling out of control and shit like that. That happened before I really had the success. So when the success came for me, yeah, man didn't tell you I ain't wanna buy a car and shit like that. I wasn't really. We was talking about all that shit, but I wasn't actually doing none of that shit. I was keeping my money, making my money, and shit. I was on some grown man shit. So I spiraled out of control before the success came. So with a grown Thing about my life is I already the mistakes, the mistakes that a motherfucker would make, I made them before beforehand. You know, and and like Manny talked about earlier, a lot of people ain't have their parents around to tell them shit, but I did. I mean, so my shit ain't go as bad as everybody else.

SPEAKER_04 44:22

We had, bro, you you know some of the solidest shit, bro, and you know, and and he know this, and I, you know, and I've shared it with us as cash money. When you got sometimes somebody around you, you know, and even though we're guilty of it because we work hard, but you know, like, but when we when we first went on tour, our parents was there with us. Like, you know what I'm saying? Daddy, my mama, you know what I'm saying? And so one of the coolest shit my dad ever told me was he was like, You start, you gotta start putting yourself first on these fucking songs. You know, you know, like we talk about a TV show, like we we like, man, the Jefferson's boring as fuck. He's like, fuck all of that. You need to start putting yourself on that.

SPEAKER_00 45:03

So that's what happened, that's where the breaks and shit came in. Put all the breaks on his verse, nigga.

SPEAKER_04 45:09

So they start going, well, we get to the studio. See, Juby was the one who catched this shit first. He like, man, how the fuck Manny on every song at the very beginning of the fucking song? You start catching them.

SPEAKER_01 45:22

Hold on.

SPEAKER_00 45:24

We go through the same thing, except like, bro, go listen to go last no more. Why about black flood be record, bro? You mean your ice verse come on? I know you can't stand the big band in the big baby. I said that nigga put every break he had in his life. Like, my young friend, my young verse gotta be the big ball of the something.

SPEAKER_04 46:01

But little wisdom things like that. I say all that to say that, you know, that served me well in the future. You know what I'm saying? Because it's like, shit, I got enough shit that I can sing, you know, solo. Like, you know, to be like, oh shit, I got a nice little catalog. I can go out there. I give your ass 45 minutes to an hour. You know what I'm saying? And and and remember that. Them gems was like, oh shit. I'm like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 46:25

He did a lot of first verses too, though. I'm gonna put the videos in the street.

SPEAKER_02 46:33

I noticed that, nigga. So we're uh so there's a lot of things that we can do in life, and uh and music has allowed us to do damn near anything. You know what I mean? With the success of the coolness of being a rapper. But as we get older in life, there's a lot of things that we haven't actually done. Right? Besides being a rapper. And we haven't seen nothing. We've been everywhere, but seen nothing.

SPEAKER_04 47:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:01

When we go on the roads, we land, we go to a show, we might go to the mall, we go overseas, we land, we might with chocolate.

SPEAKER_00 47:10

Your boy never left the country yet. But this is what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 47:14

But you know what they say is that you're not gonna be able to say like we stuck so much in this bubble that we forget that there's so much so much other fly shit out there that we need to be able to witness and be and be a part of before we get the fuck out of here. And that's how I be feeling. So I'm asking, yo, do y'all think that you're never gonna escape the bubble and do other shit? Or it's just like it's a conference that you're comfortable with.

SPEAKER_00 47:39

I want to escape the bubble. I'm still I feel like I'm still, you know, in a bubble, but I'm not in a box. As far as making music, musically, I'm not in the box, but I feel like, you know, it it I'm still trying to escape the bubble.

SPEAKER_02 47:52

Yeah, that was so fly.

SPEAKER_00 47:54

You understand? I'm not in the box, because I'm definitely not in the box. I'm trying to musical bubble, too. I'm trying to escape the bubble. Bro, you know what? But but we of age right now. So we sh it's okay to feel that way, though. Don't, you know, yeah, don't feel guilty because you feel like that. Don't feel like, damn, I shouldn't feel this way. Man, we of age, man. We can't do these jumpers doing our shit, man. 100%. So it's all right to be this way.

SPEAKER_02 48:17

At a high capacity, man. Yeah, yeah. 98% of these artists would never be able to understand the things that we were able to accomplish, do, enjoy, witness from the success that we've garnered in our own.

SPEAKER_04 48:32

It's making somebody fan on this life interrupted. You know, like it's like you could walk, you expecting it every day. You see what I'm saying? But by the fourth or fifth time, your fucking nerve shot. You know what I'm saying? You just like, all right, fuck, it's enough for this shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? Because it'll ever stop us.

SPEAKER_02 48:49

I don't think it'll ever stop us from being who we are. No, bro.

SPEAKER_01 48:56

He's just juvian Indonesia. That's it. That's it. That's it.

SPEAKER_04 48:59

But that's other human beings that don't get that. You're just having a human being moment. You know what I'm saying? It's like, listen, I'm just having a moment. Like, I, you know, like you keep interrupting this space that I just I want this space for me right now. You see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 49:13

I went to Japan, and yeah, Japan, they have their fans and shit like that. But for the most part, it was like a new world because I didn't have to worry about nobody knowing who the fuck I was.

SPEAKER_04 49:24

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:25

You heard? I just got to walk around. I got to shop. I'm asking people shit. They don't even, they don't even know nothing.

SPEAKER_04 49:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:33

The translators next to me be the ones that, oh, New York rapper, big, and that's how they get to you did. But for the most part, it was like, yo, bro, don't even let me just enjoy it.

SPEAKER_04 49:44

Yeah, let me enjoy this. Let me hear this more. Cause this shit feels great.

SPEAKER_02 49:48

We can't really get throughout the day without having to all worried about who's look, all worried about who knows who. It's just, you know what I mean? So it was like that part of the bubble was like, yo, I want to be able to be able to enjoy some some life without having to worry about the life that I already had.

SPEAKER_04 50:07

Yeah, I'm kind of like what Jewel vet, like, you know, I love this. I love it. I've been since day one of doing it. But there's there's gotta be somewhere in the future, you know, where I'm just like, I'm checking out on y'all. Yeah, I'm just gonna be able to do that. Love y'all, but good night.

SPEAKER_01 50:21

That's it. Ain't nothing gonna change.

SPEAKER_04 50:22

Love y'all, but good.

SPEAKER_02 50:24

I'm just saying, being who I am, wherever I'm at. And if you do know me, then we still have a great company. But I'm you heard, and it's time, it's almost time for that. I still gotta collect a couple more bags. We we we can't. I gotta get a couple more bags.

SPEAKER_00 50:38

You heard I need a heavy bag before I get this business move. You heard me?

SPEAKER_04 50:41

You get penalized if you get drunk at your house and dance on the bar. You know what I'm saying? Your crazy ass uncle, nothing happened. You know what I'm saying? Nothing happened. It just like fuck Larry dancing on the bar. You know?

SPEAKER_00 50:57

Dancing on the bar to hold it.

SPEAKER_04 50:58

You know, fuck right. If you you everybody got their phone out going, dude lost his fucking mind last night. You know what I'm saying? And all of that shit. But if it's a crazy ass uncle, nobody gives a fuck.

SPEAKER_00 51:08

You know, y'all been in the game for a minute, so is there any one highlight that y'all keep dear to y'all that you always think about, or this something that me personally, but I think about some of the crazy shit, but I think about some of the shit I heard when they used to put me, they used to put me in BG in these carts every show, because we used to get in the helicopter. Right? I used to be people was calling motherfuckers, telling them that we was gonna be in these carts. They say, we know you're in that car, Jew. Get your big lip ass out and take a picture with me. I stuck that bitch, that bitch struck a nerve, dog. You know, I I could take anything but a lip joke. I popped up out that bitch in your mama, you ugly bitch. That nigga Jizzle said, Come on, bro, that's some more gonna start pitching. Jizzle got mad at me. Dizzle said, Man, come on, then they gonna start pitching shit at us, bro. Don't do that, dog. Come on, Jew, don't do that. I said, Man, fuck that, man. Bitch got my lip nigga.

SPEAKER_04 52:09

We got so many memorable, memorable shit. Like, even, you know, the the Rough Riders cash money tour, like, you know, just seeing DMX perform, you know, like we watching this motherfucker.

SPEAKER_03 52:21

We like this nigga cry.

SPEAKER_00 52:22

This nigga scared me.

SPEAKER_03 52:24

Pray.

SPEAKER_00 52:24

Man, imagine you being told. You going on you gotta go on stage after DMX.

SPEAKER_02 52:29

We just think we did a tour with DMX, bro. Bro, bro, I didn't know. Bro, watching him in and out, every yo, bro, every emotion you could imagine. Yeah, yeah. But the craziest shit to me was that that boy be performing at the highest, full speed. Like he get backstage and collapse, and they gotta give him the asthma pump. And like, yo, bro, there's no way he got asthma. He just did clap two hours, he clapped shit. Like we said.

SPEAKER_00 53:00

He's going crazy, bro. They asked me to go on after him, say, DM Max got a show. I say, listen, bro, y'all forfeit y'all money. If I man, I'm not, I'm, I'm leaving. I say, listen, bro, I'm not going on stage after DMX.

unknown 53:13

No.

SPEAKER_02 53:13

At that time, it made nobody no sense to go on stage after DMX.

SPEAKER_00 53:17

Man, that man, I'm telling you, literally, he literally climbed the speaker to the top with them Timberland boots on and shit, and rocked that bitch up here. He rocked that shit so hard. I said, bro, I think I just seen Jesus with a mic. No, he was dead.

SPEAKER_02 53:31

It was almost amazing to watch this nigga perform so every night.

SPEAKER_01 53:34

Yeah, bro. Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_02 53:35

And then he say this prayer at the end of the night. He prayed. Oh, he say a prayer. Like, this shit be so hip hop. No, nothing.

SPEAKER_00 53:43

It should be knock a whole damn whole bottle in and say, I don't know, the big bottle. He be hitting them up.

SPEAKER_04 53:48

And it would be that that the rules don't apply. It's like one night he fucking performed with one shoot. Yeah, one fucking Timor. I was like, he forgot he lost the fucking other one somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 54:00

It's a lot of that is no matter. Like the the beauty in these type of shows and concerts that we used to experience to perform, I don't see I and I go to all of everybody's concerts, but I don't see that type of camaraderie, that looseness. Everybody's so serious now. It's just like it's just like it's no more the funnel.

SPEAKER_04 54:20

Who fucked all of that up? You know, it's like too cool for school.

SPEAKER_02 54:23

Yeah, cool. Like, like I remember falling on stage and one of the funniest things you could do, pop back up, top. Like, it's like, yo. So that DMX with one shoe is like, yo, that was the whole essence of hip-hop. Like, yo, bro. It's something we created. It should be we home. It's my like it's just nah, I miss DMX, bro. RP DMX. Rest in peace of my up, man. Yeah. Um, so you got any music coming up?

SPEAKER_00 54:48

My album coming out on the 26th, 7th.

SPEAKER_02 54:52

27. 267. I'm with 26.

SPEAKER_00 54:57

27th, man. On the 27th, but my birthday on the 27th. So, yeah, 2020. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, exactly. There you go. I'm wishing. There you go. I'm wishing. You got to do that. And then the next one? Shit, I got a few people on that. Uh NBA Youngboy. Shout outs to NBA. I got uh I got DJ Cali talking on there for me. He did a little thing for me. I got uh Megan Estallion on there. Shouts to Meg. Got my dog D-Rock, my dog Manny Fresh is all over the album. My son Young Juve is on there.

SPEAKER_02 55:24

Well, that's what I was wanted to ask you about before we get out of here. So uh a few years back, uh, when I went to Houston, actually, I saw they was playing some of his records in the club. They like, this Juve. He be going crazy, bro. He's going wild. I'm like crazy, bro. Yeah, yeah. So how your son doing? Is he still going hard with the music?

SPEAKER_00 55:45

He's going hard. And look, he owned the song, bro. You know, my first few reviews was, man, he's killing you, dog. He can't wait for that, man. Don't let him hear that. Don't we hear the pops, bro? Let pops live, dog. Let your pops live. You know what I'm saying? But hey, I'm proud of my son, man. My son does his thing. And he not only do it, you know, with the song, throughout the whole album, he critiqued me on songs and like, nah, you need to put this. Matter of fact, I let my kids get together and do the order on the album. So they really involved in what I'm doing, man. You know how that feels. That's one of the greatest feelings ever as a father.

SPEAKER_02 56:19

How old is your son? If you don't want my if you want me up.

SPEAKER_00 56:21

Well, he's 30 now? So he was 30. He's 30, my two sons, right? I got young Juve and I got Tank. Tank is 26, 20, 26, he's gonna get mad. 27. See what I mean? So I got two boys, and and it's it's all day, every day with these, with my own.

SPEAKER_02 56:38

So they they they old enough to really understand who you are.

SPEAKER_00 56:41

Nah, they get it. They get it. Yeah, didn't know we was doing your show. Put it like that. Look, he flying, he was trying to get in a date. He was trying to get in the date. He got your jacket. When we his partner, when we we was out there in Vegas. At the complex, we got your jacket. So he already rocking with the Joe Mo on and everything. Oh, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 57:03

This is incredible, man. You got you got project coming out. I just heard it. I don't I ain't gonna talk about being home. You won't be in it. You won't be in it. Reckless weekend. Reckless weekend. I told you we got the studio right there. The engineer said, we can load up. It don't take that long to do a purse. You heard it. We can make right now, man. We can in there. No, we still got it. Of course we do. Of course we do. Of course we do. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, but it even with the music, it's like it's like everything. Like we don't want to be caught up with what we knew how to do. We not definitely not chasing, but there's a medium that we still gotta meet. Yeah. Part of the reinvention. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:44

So I tell my fans off.

SPEAKER_00 57:46

You understand what I'm saying? I love my guys. I rap a little bit. I rap a little bit for the for the heads, the hip-hop heads, but I'm making booty shaking music, man. I'm done with you, man. You niggas sold out. Niggas ain't went to the store and bought my ass, so that's what you're gonna get. The women buy the music anyway.

SPEAKER_02 58:02

They the ones on TikTok playing all the music. It ain't I mean, it ain't really about nothing but the booty music. Yeah, hey man. You made it, you made the most sense. You start rapping to the females, you get money.

SPEAKER_00 58:14

Yeah, you know what I mean? We're gonna make a booty making sound, dog. It's time it's time, dog.

SPEAKER_02 58:18

I'm with that. I'm with that. But um, I don't want to hold y'all too much longer, man. It's been it's been my pleasure because I could go on and on. I got cash money questions, I got baby questions, I got wheezy questions, but I don't I don't wanna.

SPEAKER_04 58:31

We're gonna get together as a family and do it again, brother.

SPEAKER_02 58:33

100%, 100%. We got questions for you, so you know what's love. Uh before we get out of here, this episode is sponsored by my guys at Playmaker, the Playmaker family. I really appreciate y'all. Um, I got some gifts for y'all since you were talking about jackets.

SPEAKER_00 58:48

Yeah. We ain't got good colors, though. Hell no.

SPEAKER_02 58:53

Yay. Thank you, brother. Damn, bro. Yay. And ladies and gentlemen, this is another artist of another artist, another episode of Artist, the artist, where we like to say it's a conversation that needs to be had. I appreciate you, Juvie. I appreciate you, Manny, for stopping by. Um, we're gonna catch y'all on the next episode. Shout out to playmakers, you know how we do it. Bow.