Don't Lose Yourself in the Chaos

Christy and Marti discuss self-regulation and self-awareness in a world that feels deeply uncertain. So many of us are living with a quiet sense of instability right now, not always knowing what’s coming next, not knowing where the world is heading, and sometimes not even knowing how to stay connected to the people we love when there is so much division in families, communities, and society.

In this conversation, we explore what it really means to stay present in hard times, how to notice when your body is moving into stress or defense, and how to come back to yourself when the world feels loud, divided, and uncertain. 

Self-regulation is not pretending everything is okay. It is being able to stay with yourself when things are not okay.

Self-awareness:

• noticing your internal state
• recognizing your thoughts, body sensations, and emotional patterns
• Becoming aware of when you are activated
• How trauma can be reactivated by world events, media, and collective fear
• Why the body responds to what the mind believes, even when the threat is not happening in the present moment
• Practical ways to regulate: breathwork, grounding through the feet, body awareness, and EFT tapping

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:03

Hello everyone. Welcome to No One Is Perfect podcast. Hi, Marty. Good to see you. You too, Christy, always. Oh, so today we are we've been talking, Marty and I have been talking quite a bit about the world and all of the uncertainty that's happening, and us as human beings being at the mercy of a few people and not knowing what do we do with that? And how do we how do we regulate our nervous systems and how do we become aware of that instability within ourselves and not knowing what is coming next and not knowing where the world is headed because we are a global community now, and it's creating what I've noticed, and I'm sure everyone has, it's creating so much division with families, parents and children, and siblings and communities, and then society, the ripple effect of division and hatred, and I would say the need to be right on whatever stance you have. If someone doesn't agree, it's creating it to me, it's like a tear, like it's literally tearing families apart and relationships apart because there's so much fear underneath the stance that people are taking. And as we as you and I talked, Marty, I think the most important thing is our reaction, internal reaction and regulation in a world where we don't have any control.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:43

And so that's our conversation today. Yeah. And and how to notice when we get activated, how to notice when our body goes into that fight, flight, or freeze. What are the signs, and how do we regulate and come back to some sense of safety within our own bodies and our hearts? Because that's to me, that's offering coming from a space of internal calm versus internal panic or rage, which I don't think's helpful.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

No, no, no, I so agree with that. I mean, it's funny, I would say, I'm just gonna go back to even during the pandemic. Like what I'm see feel like I'm seeing more in Living Color is the divide. Like you said, families are torn apart. That happened back then, it's happening now. And I do follow some astrology people, um, whether you believe it or not. I just started following because I would have certain weeks when I was working with clients, and I'm like, they all seem to have the same thing going on. So I'd ask my friend and she goes, Oh, yeah, this, this, this, this is going on. So, from an astrology perspective, it's more like everything that's not working is coming to the surface. All the corruption, all the things that aren't working, that's all coming to the surface ultimately to be healed, to create space, call it the age of Aquarius, but for new and better to come. But it's also like um it can be very messy at first. It's kind of I always use the analogy, it's like when you decide to clean out a closet that's just had, or say a garage that you had stuffed full of stuff forever. I have one like that, a garage. It's like you pull everything out and it's a mess. Everything that you're pulling out just looks like a mess, but then you're sifting and sorting through it and getting rid of the stuff that you don't need and keeping the stuff and getting organized, and then you put it all back together and it's like you can breathe. And that's really what I personally see is going on here. Does it mean I enjoy seeing what's happening all the time? No. Does it mean that it can't be triggering? No, but I think something we've talked about, Christy, and forever is just how do we stay aware of what's happening to me, what's happening in my body, what's happening in my mind and emotions. And what if the gift that I can give the world is to stay as regulated as possible for me? So that I'm not contributing to the hysteria, the rage, the division, all of that. Like, what if, like, oh, in my world things can be okay? You know, like I can be calmer in the face of it. Like, you get to face, like, sit with reality and see what's going on, but not become so dysregulated by it that you're overwhelmed and kind of incapacitated.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

Yeah. Because it's really the only thing that we have control over, yeah. Is what's happening, and to begin to notice what's happening. And um, I think it's really important, Marty, for and I say this as a practitioner, but also as a human being. When do I notice in my own self when I become dysregulated, angry, shut down, I want to punch someone in the face? Like, what's happening in here?

SPEAKER_00 5:31

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

And so, my my hope is as we do this podcast together today, Marty, that we can offer some of the things that you and I have learned in our own ways to as a gift for people to do it in their way, but to have some a few tools of when they notice in the awareness of dysregulation, what does it feel like? What does it move like? Sometimes what does it sound like, and then bringing in some of the tapping and being present with what is so it can move through us without bypassing it. And you know, you were speaking about astrology, and I think it's important to bring this part in of a huge movement in, I would say more religiously, of the end of times. I mean I'm hearing that a lot too, and I think okay, and if it is, because I don't know, and I don't think anybody really knows, right? Who knows they don't um I think it's the it's a changing of our times, yeah. And and even if if your brain is going to the world's gonna end, and you know, all of these catastrophizing kind of ideas, your body and your psyche is following suit because it doesn't understand that it's not happening right now, right? If if we go into fear, absolutely, our bodies go into fear, even though I'm sitting here in my house doing a podcast with Marty. If my system believes the end is here, my system is going into that fight or flight freeze because it believes what I'm telling it is true.

SPEAKER_00 7:25

Right. That's such a great point, Christy, because the nervous system, you know, thus the body feels what it feels. And I mean, that's why, like in the tapping world, you know, we've all had that experience. We're like, God, why am I having this reaction to this thing that seems so innocuous? Yeah, because trauma has come up, and then people judge themselves like it was something so innocuous, and I'm all I'm so triggered. That's trauma. And if we remember, and to your point, it's like, oh, that's what's happening for me. That's why I'm so activated by everything that's going on, because it's the trauma response, yeah. And to me, the key is to always try and remember to not make ourselves wrong for that, yeah. Um, I know I think of a breathing exercise and a tapping exercise that we can do in a little bit that are both so calming. The one tapping exercise, which we've done on here before, I learned a long time ago and then kind of forgot about it, but then got reintroduced to it a couple years ago. And I was like, Oh, yeah, that's right. That's such a great technique. You know, another way to soothe the nervous system.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

Yeah, because if we're a parent or if we're caretaking someone, I do think it's important to regulate so you don't scare your children or you don't scare your people. So, what's happening here? So that is our conversation today is what is to ask yourself, like a good example is when you watch the news. I know when I watch it, because I do like to stay informed, I don't watch it a ton, right? But when I watch it, my nervous system gets activated. And so for me, when I notice that, I notice a tightness in my chest and my tendency to like contract my body, which will be in my jaw usually, because that's my point. When I notice that, and usually I notice it after a few hours, because it collects. Oh, yeah. Think about what I just heard and what might happen and what is happening. I start to notice that, and like I may feel tension in here, I may start to feel like a stomachache or like I'm not really catching my breath. That way, my system, based on when I watch the news, that I notice happens physically.

SPEAKER_00 9:51

Right. Yeah, that's such a great point, Christy. It's it's just that that self-awareness, we always talk about it's a cliche, but self-awareness is the first step. And when you become mindful of like what's happening for me, and I that's why I always tell people if you're gonna watch the news, just tap, even if you just sit here and tap. Because watch it too, Marty. It helps regulate, like as you're watching it. So tapping is most effective with the presence of emotion. So you're gonna be watching the news, you're gonna start to get activated. You can just sit there and be like, wow, and it's gonna help move the energy through you rather than it staying stuck in you. That's why it's like I've told people, just go ahead and watch it. I would highly recommend you just do this. Yeah, sit here and be like, Wow, like, because then you're and and then what it does when we calm the nervous system, there's a thing called a cognitive shift that can come. Your when a cognitive shift is your brain just comes up with like a different way to see it. It's like all of a sudden, because the prefrontal cortex goes back online, and now you have access to that more slower creative part of the brain that's like, yeah, but what if actually this is meant to happen because it's like kind of like a cleanup job, or you know, whatever it is. Um, but you know, that just kind of guarding against catastrophizing. And I say this, which I say all the time, I can catastrophize the potato shit. So for all of us that can, and then watch the news, and you can be like when I watch the news, a lot of times I'll get it from comedians, or I go into it with this like curiosity, like the psychology is the thing that just fascinates me about what's going on right now. So I watch it from this like psychological viewpoint, like, wow, that is so interesting. It doesn't matter who I'm watching or what, it's like I go into it, which actually kind of helps me be a little bit more removed from it, is like that is a fascinating psychology. Like that's so fascinating that somebody sees it that way or thinks it that way. And and that can create some space and distance, as can wow, this is really triggering me. The other thing that I do find is like anything that's going on in the world, the governments all over the world, it it has that ability to re-traumatize us.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:32

So it's there. You can also look at it like the mirror, like a partner can be the mirror. Well, the world events can be a mirror to let us know if you're getting overly activated by something, if trauma's really coming up. It's really just information and its most basic self to let you know, oh, this is triggering some trauma in me that needs my attention. And to me, that also helps kind of create some space and be like, whoa, I've got this. It doesn't mean you're gonna sit there, like, oh, I'm gonna be all zen about it because it's triggering trauma and there's no problem. It's just more like, wow, I definitely have some stuff that's unhealed. I I always think of, we're not going political here, but even the victimization that we're seeing a lot right now, and how that can re-traumatize people and just be like, I just have to tap through this. It's information, and what if it really is here to help me heal? And when we see it that way, I heard this thing recently that the question to ask, which I like, oh, I love this one, and it's so basic. And I heard it years ago, but forgot what what am I meant to learn from this? Like, what am I meant to learn from this? What what am I meant? And I'm like, wow, like that just sets the brain in a different direction of like, why is this happening? And what like yeah, what am I meant to learn from this? What am I meant to heal from this can be another one?

SPEAKER_01 14:10

Yeah, because it does, it creates curiosity because I think part of um part of the uncertainty that happens is the rigidity that's happening is the need to be right. Oh yeah, and people can we be curious in in our perspective, it doesn't mean anyone's right or wrong, but can we be curious instead of letting our fear and our uncertainty get projected outward, which does create that catastrophe? Yeah, yeah. And then I I what I find fascinating is if that is left unchecked, what I'm seeing is people getting upset that you're not upset. Why aren't you mirroring the same fear? Whatever piece that is, why aren't you mirroring the fear of something's wrong with you? Like, and I'm like, oh, that's really fascinating, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:13

Oh yeah, no, there you know what just popped in my head, Christy? United we stand, divided we fall. So true, and I think of like what can I do to create more you know, of unity rather than all the division. Doesn't mean, like I said, that I don't sometimes want to bang my shopping cart because I do, and sometimes I choose to, if it's like something you know, near and dear to my heart. Um, but it's also like, yeah, what can I learn from this? How can I create more unity? How can I go in and find out where's this person coming from? That's why I've at times too made a point of watching different news stations. Yeah, it's fascinating, just fascinating to see the propaganda like that you're like, well, no wonder. Yeah, each place, each side there we go, feels the way they do because it's what are we being fed? Right. And that comes back to that united we stand, divided we fall. It's like, how can I be more part of the solution? Yeah, you know, than the problem, which is a work in progress for sure.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

It totally is, yeah. I think to your point of how can I be part of the solution is noticing when you get dysregulated. And some of those, some of those signs would be like loop, looping thoughts of fear, catastrophe. I would say also like connection to like doom scrolling for a long time because we're not accessing our own feeling state and having that be our go-to to avoid what we're feeling. Um, another one would be, I would say, overexplaining and talking so much that you're not giving room for other people to express. Right. And wanting to project that onto another. And then literally in the body is where am I contracting? Fear in general is often held in the base part of the body, in your hips, your groin in your legs. So if you can begin to notice, and especially as we do tapping, to really feel that base part of your body, relax as we tap, as we make room for what is present and let it move through us, like you said, because that's the only way I believe to get regulated is to feel it and move through it. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 17:56

That's why tapping, if you're gonna watch the news, it helps move that energy through you because you're gonna be feeling emotions as you're watching something, and then you can help move it along, you know, so it doesn't stay stuck or it it, you know, it stacks on top, and then you're like, oh my god, I'm a wreck, and you know, all that stuff.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

Well, and I see that's where I love tapping, Marty, because it's naming the emotion, like you believe that I'm a wreck. And what if so, naming what is present without judgment around us exactly and creating a bridge, which is what tapping does, create a bridge so the body can relax, so we can access our breath. Because if we can't access our body, there isn't safety.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

Oh, it's so true, and it's funny when I'm dysregulated, Chrissy. I am so aware of my body and like the heart's palpitating, you know, like not palpitating, the heart's beating faster, and I my energy is more anxious, and I'm like, whoa. And that's when I know I'm like, I need to tap, or at least breathe, you know, in for four, out for six. That's the one I for me that it's a calming, calm down breathing technique. It helps to regulate and bring safety to the body, and it's easy enough to do, you know, in for four, out for six, in for four, even if you do it two minutes, two and a half minutes. I definitely feel the shift, and then with tapping, uh, you know, you hit tap if you're anxious first, and then I love the pressing tapping where you just press, and then you're thinking about calming down, relaxing, you're holding, calming. There's something about not doing this in those moments that is like, oh, that's really regular, it's like settling the body, those things help to settle, and even that word settle, settling, settling the body, settle. Oh, imagine that. You know, imagine.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

Well, it becomes a space, and it's a practice for all of us. I don't think anyone has this mastered. I don't because life they do call us, we'll interview you. Because life happens and dysregulation happens, and the practice of even a few times through the day of checking in with your breath, I would say also noticing your feet on the floor. What does it feel like? And can you lift your toes and relax your toes? Lift your heels and relax your heels. It takes us out of that mental loop and into noticing, and then we'll do some tapping. But if we can feel safe in our own body for a moment, it will help regulate the body. And then we don't come from a place of fight or flight and that reactionary peace that we're seeing live all the time. There's so much violence happening because the reaction is coming towards people, right? Or there's an internal, sometimes it can be exactly the opposite, an internal shutdown because of complete terror and fear.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

Yes, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. It's so true. I took a woman's self-defense class this Saturday, and I was thinking about that. I mean, I've gotten in quote verbal altercations with people, never a physical thing. But I was like, you know, I want to do that, just you know, and and I I did a study years ago about like, you know, who do predators go after? They go after people that are more insecure and that. And it was incredible. In it was a man and a woman doing it, and they just, you know, kept telling you to come back to this isn't the place to be nice or kind. This is the place to step up for yourself and stand up. And and I thought about the whole time I thought about like just even take. Taking that class and now knowing that I have a couple techniques, if I've never needed in my life, but if I do, at least I have them. There's something about that that's regulating in and of itself. It's just like pre-planning it, like just to know a couple things. It's a resource. It is a total resource. And then it was, and in the class, you know, we partnered up and it was all women except the guy is big, like he's a big guy. And so I was telling him, hey, well, a couple of us were wondering, like, well, what if it's a big dude on top of he goes, You want to try it? And I'm like, absolutely. Yeah. So we did it and he was super respectful the whole time, like, you okay with this? And he had me pinned down on the ground. And I flipped the guy. And it was like, whoa. And I think it's just, it's kind of to me, I see this similarity. It's like, just do some things. Like, I'm gonna watch the news because I want to stay informed, but I want to do some things, or even if it's just breathe or be conscious, like what's happening in my body as I'm watching this. You know, you're like, where is it showing up? Where am I feeling it? Because then you're bringing mindfulness to it, which it's that you're watching the part of yourself that can get dysregulated that creates some separation and space.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

Yeah. And that's our gift that we're giving today is the awareness around that. Because we both, I know I practice it, you practice it, Marty. And like I said, there's no perfect in any of it.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

Oh, yeah, no.

SPEAKER_01 23:39

Sometimes you're going to get dysregulated and and what have whatever reaction, but can we practice right that muscle?

SPEAKER_00 23:49

Yeah, Chrissy, like you, you've been doing your work a long time. I've been tapping close to 16 years now. And I'm like, I like I said, I still can get highly dysregulated. Yeah. And I think to think that like that's life in a body as a human, it's gonna happen. And it's like that, it just goes back to what can I do to like at least regulate myself in this moment. Not like I'm never gonna get dysregulated ever again. Good luck. Yeah, that doesn't work. No, that's a setup for like, oh god.

SPEAKER_01 24:25

Well, and I think it's its own um, I think it's its own trauma response, to tell you the truth. Oh my gosh, so well said association of of denial, which isn't negative, it's still a response, though. Exactly. Yeah, so there's many responses, and most important thing is what is yours?

SPEAKER_00 24:48

Yeah. And I think that's really the point you and I had talked about getting across on this, is just like I would say, bring mindfulness to it. What's happening for me? I'm watching the news. Do I do I think the end is near? Like, if it is, how can I regulate even in the midst of that belief? Like this is the end, you know. It's like it's funny. I have this this kind of attitude. Well, if it is the end, we're all going out together, you know, right? Sort of like there's nothing I could do about it. So it's like, no, yeah. And how can I stay as centered in myself regardless? Otherwise, you're gonna stay in perpetual dysregulation, it's just gonna get harder and harder and harder, you know.

SPEAKER_01 25:33

It makes me think of too, Marty. Like I know for me growing up, the end was always near. Yeah, part of the religious piece of it. And I remember feeling so scared and so stressed, and then one day going, well, if it is, then it is.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:52

Oh yeah. Oh, I remember being afraid.

SPEAKER_00 25:55

Yeah. I I mean, I think, you know, I grew up Catholic, which you know, and it was very cultish, the Catholicism I grew up in, and I was like, I realize I was in born, like brought in instilled with terror. I went to a Catholic school from four, four years old all the way through high school. You're like, oh, shocker that I like have trauma and terror, and think you know, and mine the big one for me is I'm gonna go to hell. Yeah, I'm gonna burn in the internal fires of hell and damnation for the rest of my life. Yeah. And I mean, that's terror, terror.

SPEAKER_01 26:41

Well, and wouldn't you say too? And I I bring this up because I think it's relevant that going to hell, yes, and if you choose differently and you're not perfect and do all the things, that's also part of that. And so it becomes a manipulation tool. And I feel like on a that's a smaller scale of what's happening on the collective, yeah. And that it, I just think we keep recirculating back to how can we control ourselves when we feel controlled, like yeah, such an interesting dynamic that is so real, and it's a global piece.

SPEAKER_00 27:24

It is, it is, and it's yeah, I mean, you could wake up every day and be like, what's happening now? and just go right into terror. And it's at least like maybe I should just like do some regulation stuff first before I listen or scroll or do anything. Yeah, my first thing in the morning is you know, take a hike. It's just huge for me to take a hike. I love it, get my dogs out. It just feels really good to do it. It's you know, I do it way more than I don't, you know, a day or two here and there I miss, but it's just you know, it it just really helps to start the day with like its own little victory. Yeah, well, it's self-care, which is self-regulation, yeah, yeah. And trust me, I could still get dysregulated on this like over here, yeah, get over her, like that, you know. Yeah, but it's still like yeah, but I just think, yeah, sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 28:30

Well, I think, and this is my advice to myself and also clients that I see is I noticed this the other day, like because of the amount of static and all the different things that that means, I was doing a I went on a walk and a meditation. I'm like, oh, okay, Christy, this is self-regulation, like literally saying that out loud. Oh, you're doing the things that you know how to do to regulate, and that's enough.

SPEAKER_00 29:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

And that might be helpful to name it and to tell, like, I will have people touch their body and say, This is this is touch, this is what it feels like to breathe. This is self-regulation by coming into slowing down, yeah, noticing what's happening, but yeah to tell the body thank you, literally out loud, thank you, and I'm listening.

SPEAKER_00 29:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The body's the partner through this life, you know, and it's totally is yeah, and I just think that's that is such a gift, in my view, that that is the best gift, and the the thing that we can do is be as aware as possible and regulate as much as possible, yeah. Because then you might be driving and you're not gonna be in road rage or in terror, you know, like you're not gonna be like uh constantly dysregulated, and um, it's not it's not really fun to be around people who are constantly dysregulated because people's stuff comes up and it's like, yeah, I just want to like do do my part, yeah. And I also think it can help people feel a lot less hopeless and helpless, you know, in the midst of that, it's like yeah, it does because it's a if we can bring presents, even if it's instead of a hundred percent, it's fifty percent.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

Yeah, that matters, yeah, it matters, and it does. We can only do us, like that is like the mantra of the day. Do you and what are you doing to bring more peace to the world because it comes from internal first, right? And that's calm systems down, yeah, yeah, absolutely. We'll go into some tapping and then um a few practices about noticing the body, yeah, and yeah, I I appreciate this conversation, Marty, because I see so many people in terror of the unknown, and I think we're all in it together. And may we do this piece together as part of bringing uh awareness and a tool to someone to help them come out of panic and terror.

SPEAKER_00 31:32

Yeah, and you know, it just it always pops in my head, Chrissy. I think like this is like 2.0 because during the pandemic there was terror of death. Yeah, like there's terror of potential death now. Yeah. So it's like, oh, so again, like how can I write? So this is where I want to do the subtle tap. But the first thing I would tell people before we tap is that breathe in for four. Let's just do it three breaths right now. So you're gonna go in for four, out for six, and breathe in through the nose and out through the mouth. So breathe in for four through the nose, out through the mouth for six. Just do it three times, and here we go. Yes, I definitely feel just just an ebb of calm, calmer, you know, just that simple thing. You do it for two minutes, golden. So the tapping is you could start by tapping, and we're not gonna you don't have to say anything here, you're just gonna listen to my voice, and you'll start tapping on the side of the hand, and just think about the idea of settling, calming, regulating, settling the body, settling the mind, settling the emotions, and then you go to the eyebrow, same thing, just settling, calming, releasing what needs to be released, letting go a little bit more, and now side of the eye, you're just tapping, settling, calming, and now under the eye, settling, calming, now slow down the tapping. Now imagine just pressing on that part under the eye. I immediately notice a difference just in the pressing and think about calming, releasing, regulating. Now go under the nose pressing, releasing. Now the chin point. Calming, settling. Imagine your body, your nerves, your emotions just smoothing out a bit more. And now, collarbone. You can do two hands on each side. You can do one hand if you want, open palming. I like this because it has kind of that soothing feeling. Just settling. And then under the arm. Settling. Settling, releasing a little more. And now just imagine like ragdolling it, moving your neck around, dropping your shoulders, relaxing your jaw, and then just like slump over ragdoll. And then just slowly as you're ready, put your hands on your heart. You can put one on your heart and one on your belly. Take three more breaths in through the nose, out through the mouth. And then let just let your hands drop to your lap. And slowly, as you're ready, open your eyes. How you feeling? It's fabulous, Marty. Yeah, it's just amazing. It's just calming. Didn't didn't take long.

SPEAKER_01 38:43

No, it's very easy. And the one one piece I would love to add is as you do the tapping to also connect your feet to the floor. Feel the floor, the earth underneath you. If you're sitting or lying down to feel your butt in the chair, to feel your body supported, if you're laying down to feel your whole body supported, that that part of Mother Nature, the earth, the holding is present. And then allow yourself to ask, what am I feeling in my body right now? You could do it before you tap, you could do it during andor after, and to be aware of where do I feel that tightness or pressure or heat, and you can put your hand on it. It could be on your jaw, it could be on your legs. As you tap into your body and how it communicates with you, to start to get more familiar with that, and then ask what is here, because naming what is present, that emotion helps to, like you said, move away from it, but bring presence to it, which reduces the reactivity and or isolation.

SPEAKER_00 40:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:03

Right? It can be a reaction, but that reaction can also be going numb or retreating, closing all the windows and doors and cutting everything out. There's many ways we react. The most important part is how do you react when you get afraid? How do you react when you get angry? And then can you be with that part of you, like with the exercise you just did, of bringing awareness to the body and slowing down and observing it, being with it. And what happens is you'll start to notice that you will feel a sense of control, because that's what why we get dysregulated of the unknown. And so please know we're all in this together because we are, yeah. And our intention, Marty and I, we talked about this before. The call was to really surrender this podcast to that greater whole that we could bring something that truly is why we're here.

SPEAKER_00 41:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:12

And if this podcast helps you calm down even 10%, then we've been successful. Yes. And please share this with anyone that you know might need some understanding around what is a reaction, what is awareness, what am I gonna do? How do I make it better internally?

SPEAKER_02 41:33

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:36

It's such a gift to do, you know, give that to ourselves and to others to help them, you know. Yeah. Palmer.

SPEAKER_01 41:45

It's a beautiful gift. So thank you, Marty, and thank you, everyone, for listening. Please share this. And there's plenty of episodes on our page now. Yes, you page, and we're on different podcasts platforms. So please feel free to listen and share as you go along. So thank you, Marty. Thank you, Christy.