Where Inner Knowing Begins

What if the clarity you've been searching for has been within you all along?

In this episode, we explore the journey into intentional living—one that began not from a desire for spirituality, but from the very real demands of life. As a competitive marathon runner chasing speed and a mother raising three young daughters, the need for both movement and stillness led to an unexpected discovery: clarity doesn't come from doing more, but from learning how to listen. Through years of yoga practice, advanced teacher training, and deep personal exploration, a powerful truth emerged—the body, mind, and spirit are not separate. They are in constant conversation. Most of us have just never been taught how to hear it.

We dive into how practices like yoga, mindfulness, and even tools like crystals can serve as anchors—not as answers themselves, but as ways to quiet the noise so your own inner guidance can rise to the surface.

This conversation is a reminder that you don't need to search outside yourself for direction, validation, or clarity. It's already there.

You just have to come home to it.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:05

All right, welcome back everyone to No One Is Perfect. And we know that uh absolutely intimately. And Christy and I have been we're excited. We have had more people on the show interviewing, and we wanna part of us and our intention of doing this podcast is expose you to different people with different modalities so that you can see, like, hey, I'd like to try that. And so this is Rowan Beck. Rowan, thanks for being here. We're happy to have you. And Rowan started what's called Rowan's Stone and Sight method. So this to me is going to be fascinating. It's going to help me learn. Uh, I know enough about this to be dangerous. So it's like, I know it's stones and grids, and some people call the stones crystals. So um, why don't you just tell us more about like the work you do and um how it could help people?

SPEAKER_00 0:59

So um the work I do, I typically work with women who are um 40 and older, who are going through um any sort of transition, right? Like any big transition, maybe they're changing a job, maybe their kids are going off to college, whatever it is. Um and what I do for them is they come and they talk to me and we set an intention, and we sort of I coach them through the work of the stones, and I allow them to choose three to five stones, um, any color, whatever. Um, and they choose the stones and they put them out, and that is where I can begin the work because it shows me where their energy is blocked and what they might be feeling. So, how to get them to get to get the life that they want, to create the life that they want, and it's it's interesting because quite honestly, we all just want to get into our heart, right? Because there's always this war going on, for lack of a better word, between the head and the heart, right? So your heart's gonna tell you the truth, but your head isn't always gonna help you help you get there, and so um when you choose the stones, um I see where the blockages are, and then I can help by getting other stones and adding them in and setting them up in a grid, which is um a design that I use with the crystals, and then together we will come up with a mantra, and you can take the grid home with you, and then you meditate, and a lot of people say, Oh my god, I don't know how to meditate. Well, everybody knows how to meditate. You can do it first, you can start with 30 seconds, right? 30 seconds. There's this great thing, there's an app called the Insight Timer that somebody turned me on to probably about I don't know, almost 20 years ago now. And um, I still use it every day.

SPEAKER_03 3:22

Love that app.

unknown 3:23

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

I know it's the best app, and now it has like courses and like all this sort of stuff. So you just set the timer and you just breathe, and you can breathe different ways. Like you can breathe with um, you can pull the energy in from the crystal straight into your heart, um, you can pull it from your feet to your head and then back out again. And so, but through our conversation, I can figure out which way is going to work best for you. And I've been doing I've been working with stones for more than 20 years, and it really helped me. I was I had to go through a huge transition um in my life. When I turned 40, I, you know, my whole life fell apart. My ex my now ex-husband had an affair with my best friend, and that was obviously a really big bummer because my go-to girl went with my ex-husband.

SPEAKER_02 4:20

Yeah, huge drama.

SPEAKER_00 4:22

So there was a lot of drama, and I had three little kids, and um, you know, I had to figure out how I was going to remain calm, cool, and collected and function for my kids, right? Like it's the most devastating thing when somebody, you know, shatters your dream, right? But you have to pick up the pieces and be able to move forward. So I was, you know, because I had sort of I was fortunate enough that I've had sort of an eccentric upbringing um with parents who, you know, um, you know, my mother w studied um black magic as an observer. So I grew up with all of this stuff. And so it was easy for me, I was open-minded enough to be like, hey, I'm gonna try this. And um, you know, I can also if you want to take it a step further after the grid, I can also like I can show you yoga poses and help you go through a yoga practice which will help you open up more parts of the body. Like, say you choose a lapis, which is a bluestone, and it has a lot to do with voice, like you have a hard time saying what it is that you that you want to, and there's a blockage in your throat, right? So I can have you breathe into your throat, we can just have the grid there, or I can also give you a yoga practice which will show you how to open up areas of the throat and then allow the energy to move down through the body or up through the body, whichever um is speaking at that time, right?

SPEAKER_03 6:19

Well, and and that's what you're able to help them understand is where the block is at in their body, let alone their energy.

SPEAKER_00 6:28

So in their body, and then like with yoga and movement, you're opening it up regardless, and the crystals or the rocks amplify that, yes, exactly, and the rocks will do it all um on their own as well. I have a very good friend who, you know, she wanted to get a new job, and um, I said, All right, um I gave her, I set up a grid, and I said, you know, you can we'll set this intention around it, breathe over it for, you know, five minutes, whatever feels good to you, maybe journal after it when you're done, and sure enough, she got a new job.

SPEAKER_02 7:13

What's a grid like? Like when you set up this grid, what's it look like? Is it made of stones? Like, how's that work?

SPEAKER_00 7:21

So I have um these mirrors, and I have big mirrors and small mirrors, they're round, and I will take a large stone and that will be the center stone. And then I take other stones and I build off of it, and usually when you're looking at the grid itself, because they're all of these different colored stones, and there's a big one in the middle, not only is it sitting on a mirror, but the top mirrors the bottom. So, like what's going out is coming in too, right? And so it's really, you know, they're beautiful things just to look, just to look at, even if you don't believe in it. And and it was interesting because um sometimes people like to have them out, and like when you're working with it, I like to put a towel over mine so nobody else can see it, and I don't want the energy to come into it. So I'm like, if you're going to leave it out, protect it. If you're going to leave it out, take the center stone out, put a candle in so it breaks the grid, right? So like you'll clear it, right, with sage or palasanto or whatever feels better to you. Um, and you'll clear it, and then you'll take the center stone out, and you've then nullified the grid.

SPEAKER_02 8:51

That's fascinating, Rowan. So, like you have people that come to you, like your friend came and she was specific, like she wanted a new job. And then I assume you have people that are specific or like you say set an intention. Other people come and they're like, My life's a mess. Like, what do I do? So it's sort of like, and that's when it what I heard you say is you have them pick stones too.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 9:13

And then you found like it's kind of wild, the stones they pick when you talk to them about it and they're like, Whoa.

SPEAKER_00 9:21

Yeah, it's like it's really weird. And it came from, you know, this isn't something that I would like one day was like, you know, on Monday, I was like, hey, I'm gonna just call it this. This is what I'm this is all like, you know, like anything when you can't explain something, it's all trial by error, right? So like here I am, I'm like working with all these stones and it's helping me. And I'm like, oh my gosh, I have a really hard time focusing in yoga. I'm gonna bring my crystals in and I'm gonna use it as a drishti. And then somebody goes, Oh, that's really cool. What are you doing? And you're like, Oh, I use this stone as my drishti, which is your focus point so that you don't fall over when you're trying to do a balance posture. And so then when I was teaching, I was like, Okay, I want to do hands-on adjustments for people because I feel that's really important. Because, you know, if your hips are wonky, right, like don't you want to have a little assistance to straighten them out so that the energy can flow freely right through the body? Because we're all just energy, and so we're trying to get our energy flowing freely through um our bodies, and so I was like, okay, so how can I do this? So I came in and I had stones, and I was like, okay, everybody choose a stone. If you want to have an assist, please place it on the left side of your mat. If you don't want to be touched and you just want to be left alone, please place it on the right. And it was fascinating because every single time at the end of class, people come up to me and they would be like, Okay, what does this stone mean? And I would tell them and they would be like, That is bananas. Because it was just what they needed to hear at that time. And so then I became known as the teacher with the rocks, and then it was I would do Tuesday nights, would be a rock night, and that was really funny because sometimes people would show up thinking that I was gonna play like rock music.

SPEAKER_03 11:20

Right, I was just gonna say that, right?

SPEAKER_00 11:22

Because you know, be like, oh, here I am, I'm gonna have my crystal, right? Like, because I'm like a highly intelligent person, like I went to a really good high school, I went to a really good college, I started businesses, like, you know, smart person. Like, even I'm a little bit like I walked into a crystal store and I was talking to someone and he was like, Yeah, how do you know that you're right? And I'm like, I don't know that I'm right. I would never say that I'm right, right? Like, I don't know how I know what I know, I just know it. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 11:59

The flow. Yeah, I always think of that. That's when we're like we're like a conduit, we're being used for the highest, or it's like things come through us rather than by us. So we're like the channel, you know, and not like the woo-woo-woo wah wa channel. It's just I mean, I just think I mean I think of all the stuff that I always thought was woo, and I'm like, no, that's actually just the way it's supposed to be.

SPEAKER_03 12:23

Right. With the stones because they've been around since the beginning of time. Ever. They're in your watches, they're in your computer, they're in your phone. We use them every day. Every day, we couldn't function without them, right?

SPEAKER_00 12:40

Right. And and it's so wild because I was like, you really have to just it's one of those things where you know you really have to trust yourself and be like, okay, I know this is a little bit woo-woo, but you know what? Hey, I might go and try it, right? Like, so I went to a woman, it was a fascinating idea. A friend of mine gave me a massage with crystals. Now, doesn't that sound delightful? So she set up a grid underneath the table. And I was like, all right, and she would come to your house and do this. And so my girlfriend was there who I adore, and she got on the table first, but she has a very different energy than I have. And so the woman gave her a massage, and then I went downstairs to get on the table, and she and she was clearing it, and she was like just barely clearing it, and like when I clear stuff, I almost swore, I like really clear it. Like I put it outside, I put it, you know, I wash it with salt water, or you know, I sage it. And I was like, Are you gonna clear those a little bit more? And she was like, No, they're that they're they're they're fine. I was like, Yeah, no, thank you. Not for me, not for me, and I felt terrible because this poor one, I was like, I'm gonna pay you because you came with all of your stuff, right? But that was me, right? Like, you know, you're gonna see a lot of stuff out there with anything, right? Like even tapping, for example, is in the new Double Wears Prada 2 movie.

SPEAKER_02 14:19

Oh god, I can't wait to see.

SPEAKER_00 14:21

Oh my god, it's hilarious. She's like, Right, that's so funny, right? So, like, you know, you gotta sort of there's a part of you that needs to kind of trust it, and it's it's weird because nine times out of ten, it is right, right? Like, you know, my friend who another friend, she wanted to, she was living somewhere that she wanted to get out of. I sent her a grid, um, and she used it, and within six months she was in another city.

SPEAKER_02 14:53

So tell me more about that. You send them a grid. Is it just a pick picture of it? Like, how's that how's that work? Because you can work with people online, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:02

Yes. So what I do is you know, you choose your stones. If we're doing it online, you can choose, you can tell me what you want, right? Like, like Marty, if you said for some ungodly reason I want to move to Vermont, I would be like, Okay.

SPEAKER_03 15:17

Okay, Marty.

SPEAKER_00 15:19

All right, Marty, but bring it on. Like, I love where we'll just swap houses, right? Like, so I could create a grid that would manifest movement for you and opportunity. And I would put it all in a box with a stick of sage and the plate and everything. I would I would build it first to take a picture, I put it all in a box, send it to you. I would send you the photo through, you know, I'd text you the photo so that you can see it. Yeah, and then you put it together so that you can put it together, and there'll be a little card in the box with your mantra that you need to say over it. And then there you go. And we have a check, and then we could have a check-in and see how you're doing, and because grids are really fluid and they change as you change.

unknown 16:16

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

You could work with a grid for like sometimes I'll work for with the grid for like a month, and then other times I'll work with a grid for like two days. It just pr just depends on what you're what you're working on. Right? Like I had another friend who, you know, I made a grid for her, and she was looking at it and taking, she came over, she was taking taking a picture of it, and she was packing it up to take it away. And I just kind of walked in, I was like, Yeah, you know, I made that grid for you because you know, you just don't really feel like you're very supported. And she just the tears, and I gave her a big, huge hug, but it was true, right? Like that's what the stones, the stone said, right? And like a lot of times you we forget that we're always supported, right? Like, we forget that we come into this world and we're supposed to be living our best lives.

SPEAKER_02 17:10

Yeah, no, it's so true, it's such a reminder because it's so easy to fall asleep in this culture because we live in a to me, a highly toxic, very ego-based culture that takes us from the truth of who we are, you know, and so it's it's just easy to get lost, you know. Um so anything like that. Like I was thinking about Christy's work and the stuff she does with the body and the facial readings and all that, and how they all are interrelated, and that and you can have it and you can say something, reading somebody's face, and they're like boom, and then tapping, you mean something, you say something, and they're like boom, you know, it's it's yeah, that's right. I mean, there's so many different modalities and to expose people to other things.

SPEAKER_03 17:56

Yeah, I think people don't know they're lost, and it sounds like you help them. There's a lot of people that I believe, like what you were saying, you hit 40, you start to realize this isn't exactly what I planned. Yeah, or this isn't exactly what I want. And I would say a higher percentage of people have no idea that that's an option to want something different. Yes, right, and that's what you bring in, it sounds like that is, yeah, I love that Chris.

SPEAKER_00 18:27

Very much that's very, very true, right? Like, I mean, this poor woman that I I think I told you about when we were chatting before, that just, you know, I had been invited to do this event and I was just doing it as a favor for a friend because you know, when I started this, I wouldn't take money for it because it was like this is very spiritual, and like I I have a conflict around that whole kind of thing, right? Because I see this as I don't know that it's necessarily I don't know if it's a gift or a thing, it's just a thing that I can do, right? And so, you know, this this woman came in and her, you know, she came with her friend and and you know, on a whim, she was like, All right, I chose this, and I made a grid for her out of from the five three to five stones that she chose. And I was like, wow, I'm like, you're really going through it, like just know that you're fully supported, and like it's really important to take time for yourself and get into your heart. And I'm you know, I can see that you don't feel protected, and you really need to be protected at this time, and you know, you should use these stones, and man, something really big is going on, and she just burst into tears, and she was like, I'm I'm getting a divorce, right? Like, right, how could I have known that?

SPEAKER_03 19:48

I didn't, yeah, I would never, you know, and it's well it's part of your gift though, Rowan, is your intuitive sense, and then blending that with the gift of the rocks, crystals, and knowing the properties energetically of what it needs to be and where it needs to be for that person. Yes, it's a beautiful gift.

SPEAKER_02 20:10

It is, it really is.

SPEAKER_00 20:12

Yeah, no, I I really, you know, I really like it. I I love this, I love this side. Um, it was really funny because like my kids will be like, Okay, mom, I need a rock.

SPEAKER_03 20:25

I love it.

SPEAKER_00 20:27

What rock do I need to take in with me to this exam, right? Or like when my daughter was going off um to Costa Rica, I gave her a rock. Um and um she was like, What's this for? And I said, This is to protect the traveler, and she goes, Perfect.

SPEAKER_02 20:47

Yeah, I love it.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

And she carries it with her now wherever she goes whenever she's traveling. So I love it. It's really fun.

SPEAKER_02 20:54

Yeah, I mean, it's really I I think that can be so it's it's very illuminating for people, you know. They just pick something that resonates and then it's like, whoa, where'd that come from?

SPEAKER_00 21:05

You know, yeah, and you know, I think when you get older, you also, you know, you spend time and you talk to people and you're like, okay, so you know, how can you reframe that, right? Like how, you know, okay, yeah, I know that this really sucks right now, but what like let's find the like there's always beauty in the you know, in the you know, in the mud, right? Like, why do you think the lotus flower is so huge in yoga because it rises up out of the mud and it's a figure, it's it's beautiful, right? So, like I always say that my 40s was my best decade so far because I got a giant do over.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

Yeah, it's so true. Like, it's the the contrast we need the darkness in our lives to appreciate the light. We need those. Let's call it the soul curriculum to be like to awaken us.

SPEAKER_03 22:03

Right.

SPEAKER_02 22:04

I think we're always sent sort of little awakenings or call it wake up calls. And it's just whether we heed the call or not, you know.

SPEAKER_00 22:13

Right. And you know, it was the way coming into this was just really, you know, it's just kind of a fascinating way. Another friend, I had originally what I was going to do was I was I have these huge um selenite wands, which are these white wands that are about, I don't know, somewhere between a foot um to two feet long and they're, you know, an inch in diameter. But I used to take them and um I love people so much. They're like, oh, it's like Reiki. And I'm like, I guess, I don't know, because it's the stone, it's the stone. I'm not doing it with my hands, I'm doing it with the stones.

SPEAKER_03 22:56

Right.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

But um, I would have them lie down on a table, and it's just I I've done this with a few people and they just totally enjoy it, right? They I would take the the wand and I would take it over the body and the body would tell me what it wanted to say. But like it was fascinating because I could find blockages like in your calf, right? Like, and if I had a runner on the table, I'd be like, you know, you might wanna you might wanna stretch your calves a little bit more because you know you're gonna have an issue with either your Achilles or whatever, and then that would start the whole conversation of, oh, that's really interesting that it's your calf and your Achilles and what side it's on, because one side of the body is your for your fight side, the other side is your accepting side, and your Achilles you or your calf, like, oh, you don't you're having difficulty moving forward, or you're having trouble letting go, depending on which side of the body it was. So it really, you know, that's another way to ignite the conversation, and the person just they suddenly feel very accepted, and they're like, Oh my god, somebody, somebody they feel supported in a way that they're and it just is very it's very calming, and and you know, I the difficulty that I had a little bit in the beginning was you know, in yoga, you know, you're breathing in through the nose and you're closing down your mouth because you want to have the ujay breath from the back, but you've really got to let the breath out through your mouth because you've got to let the energy leave the body.

SPEAKER_02 24:38

It needs to be. I want to let it out through my mouth. Like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

You're removing some energy, right? Like yawning is the best.

SPEAKER_03 24:46

Yes, right.

SPEAKER_00 24:48

So, you know, so it was really fascinating because you know, we think about breathing from the top of the head down into the body when really right now, especially now, we want to breathe from our feet to the top of the head. Just with everything that's going on, when you breathe from the feet to the top of the head, you're grounding yourself into the earth, right? So that you can stay grounded.

SPEAKER_02 25:15

I would want to do that.

SPEAKER_00 25:16

And the stones can help you stay grounded.

SPEAKER_02 25:19

Like, how does someone breathe through their feet to the top of their head?

SPEAKER_00 25:21

Yeah, so you close your eyes and you think you put your feet on the floor.

unknown 25:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 25:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:29

And now feel your feet on the floor. And as you breathe in, feel the air coming in through the soles of their feet. It travels all the way up to the knees, across the thighs, through the belly, across the chest, all the way up to the top of the head. And now as you breathe out, imagine it like a bellows. It's pushing the air down and out through the belly, through the legs, through the ankles, through the bottoms of the feet. Breathe in through the soles of the feet, carry it all the way up the legs, through the belly, through the chest, all the way to the top of the head. Breathe out from the top of the head, down through the chest, the belly, the legs, through the soles of the feet. And then you bring it back up from the soles of the feet all the way to the top of the head. And maybe this time as you exhale, you can feel the breath being pulled from the soles of your feet, taking things out of the body as you exhale out through the soles of your feet. And then you can just keep breathing that way until the moment softens and you can open your eyes and you're calm. Right. And then when you add your rocks, when you add that, then it gets really intense and you're like, woo, right? Like I get so excited when I get to go and sit down in front of my grid, right? I'm like, okay, what's gonna leave the body? And the thing is, is that you really as you get more and more into the work, you really you can feel stuff shift and move and and and leave and just leave clear the body. It's fascinating because you can go deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper. And like you could take your you could take your emotional journey, healing, whatever um you want to call it, you can do it forever, right? Sure.

SPEAKER_03 27:42

Well, and that's why it's so important for you to clear, like what you were saying.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:46

Clear the energy of the stones as it clears your system. Yeah. Because it is energy that's moving out of the body into the stones and exactly clearing the stones resets them.

SPEAKER_00 28:00

Yes. And it's you know, it's just it's a wonderful, it's a wonderful way because you really feel like, you know how I don't know, I'm sort of like a little bit of a neat freak, but like when you take the garbage out and you put it in the trash can and it's like gone.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

Right? Like, so when you're breathing through a grid and you feel the energy leave, and then you clear your stones, like you're like, it's gone. Like it's so satisfying.

SPEAKER_02 28:28

Mmm, interesting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:30

Like, yeah, and there, you know, there are multiple ways to clear your grid. Um, I like to use sage and I run it over all of the stones, but like if I'm working on something that's really intense that has a lot of like yuckiness to it, I'll sage it and break it down when I'm finished with it. And I'll put it in a jar, a mason jar with water and salt, and I'll shake it all up and wash it, and I'll do that for a few minutes, and then I'll take it outside and let it dry.

SPEAKER_02 29:08

That makes so much sense because I think about you go if I mean we've all done this. We've walked into a place or to an area, and you're like, whoa, like you just feel the energy of it. So it's really nice how you know, of course, stones they're gonna absorb that stuff, and then that's a great clearing process.

SPEAKER_00 29:27

Yeah, and it and it's just you know, it's important to clear it because you want the energy to go away, yeah um, you know, for what you've taken away from it. And it's just, you know, you can I mean you can go to the extreme. I haven't gone to the extreme where you like dig a hole and like put them in the ground to recharge them, but I'll do stuff like I'll put them. Um when I was out in Monument Valley, I was in my van and it's it's hilarious because people laugh. They're like, Oh my god, you have a whole drawer in your van dedicated to rocks?

SPEAKER_03 30:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 30:01

Of course I do, because you never know who's gonna need them. Right. Um and so I charged a whole mess of them in Monument Valley.

SPEAKER_02 30:13

Super cool.

SPEAKER_00 30:15

Those stones, oh my god, they were like so potent um for you know quite some time. And I had a I had a friend who was going to do um what's that thing where they go, he was gonna go and it was it's like microdosing, but it's not microdosing. He was gonna take something and he was gonna go on, I don't know, he was gonna go use some sort of Native American something. And he was gonna go and he was gonna take this journey and all this sort of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 30:52

Ayahuasca?

SPEAKER_00 30:53

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 30:54

Uh maybe very different than microdosing, yes.

SPEAKER_00 30:58

Well, whatever it was, and I was like, I was like, I don't know. Uh you see, I'm not I don't do any of that stuff. I don't either. That's like that's like the the the bad stuff.

SPEAKER_01 31:09

A raw dog life, right?

SPEAKER_00 31:11

Like exactly, right? Like a lot of bad stuff can come in through that. I was I was taught that.

SPEAKER_02 31:18

Oh, I totally agree with that.

SPEAKER_00 31:20

As a kid from Charles, who was an Obiaman in the West Indies, he was like, You don't unless you know what you're doing, you and so anyway, he and I had this conversation. I was like, So who's doing this for you? And he's like, Oh, well, she's learning how to do it and I'm gonna do it with her. And I'm like, Okay, and so I went and I gave him a whole bunch of rocks to like put around him so that he would be protected.

SPEAKER_02 31:49

Yeah, I think that's awesome, Rowan.

SPEAKER_00 31:52

And he was like, Those were really helpful.

SPEAKER_02 31:54

No, it's a good point because I think those, yeah, that's that's great. You can do that protection, yeah, grounding.

SPEAKER_00 32:01

So like they have, you know, multiple, multiple, you know, like even if you're just like if you have a bad feeling and you're like, I just something just doesn't feel right, and I need an extra boost of protection, right? Like you set up that's simply black, purple, and white, and you're calling in ancestral, spiritual um energy to come and protect you from whatever it is that you because you may not know what it is until but you just have this sense, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:35

Well, and that's the intelligence of the field that you're talking about that you tap in. And I think it's so cool that you are able to do that with someone via the internet too, which I'm so grateful for.

SPEAKER_01 32:50

Yeah, right. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 32:52

But we all have it's kind of like when I hear you, I hear sacred geometry as well. Because geometry helps us change, it's part of our imprint. Everything in nature is sacred geometry, a grid is sacred geometry, and having the sacred geometry with the grid and the properties of the crystals, I can so see how it would change the imprint of fear and/or healing or protection or whatever it needs because it sounds like with your gift that you have, you're actually able to open their grid. Yes, that's how I hear that. Yeah they can access their own power and heal.

SPEAKER_00 33:36

Yeah, and that's that is truly the work because the only person that's gonna heal you is you, yeah. That's it, you know, it's hard, right? Because we do, we forget that you know life is so easy. Life is so freaking easy, like nothing. What are you drinking today?

SPEAKER_02 33:55

Yeah, right. Yeah, ayahuasca.

SPEAKER_00 33:58

I'm gonna have some ayahuasca. I'm like, my grid nocks, ayahuasca. I don't know. I was like, what do you think? Yeah, cow, right?

SPEAKER_03 34:05

Like, mild.

SPEAKER_02 34:11

My god. I love it, Rowan. That's great. And um what any final thoughts for anyone uh that might be helpful to them? And also, we also want to know how people can get in touch with you if they want to work with you or learn more about you.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

Message me on um Rowan's Rituals um on Instagram, just send me a message that way. That's the easiest way to get me. Um I have a website, but I'm in the process of redoing it right now. So, you know, just find me on Instagram at Rowan's Rituals and um I can chat with you there. Um, and I think my biggest thing is that you know, just if you need help, just find the help that you need and just know that some of the strangest things might actually help you, right? Like if someone told me that the rocks could do what the rocks could do, like when I was, I would have been like, yeah, right, go play, right? Yeah, like but it's you know, it's really fascinating, and to also just trust yourself because you know, find that voice in you, right? That just like really listen to that voice because we override that voice.

SPEAKER_02 35:37

Oh yeah, uh so true. The inner knower knows, and then we're like, eh, the logical mind, little like I said, I can complicate a frickin' potato chip, so it's like I know, right? Oh, the inner knower, and it's just a freaking potato chip, Marty.

SPEAKER_00 35:54

I know, right? Like I can so true. Yeah, like, oh, I really need this yellow stone, and I'm like, actually, I don't really need the yellow stone, I need the orange stone, right? Yeah, yeah, because I really need to get into that. I don't really want to get into that, so right interesting. I love it, it's pretty so it's fun, I love it, and I get a lot of joy out of it.

SPEAKER_03 36:17

So yeah, well, we're excited to share you with people because that's I think we all resonate with different modalities, let alone people. Yeah, and yeah, I'm excited to see. I'm curious about doing a grid for myself because I think I love crystals, I work with them a lot. I've never had a grid done, so yeah, I'm totally in it.

SPEAKER_00 36:40

It's super fun, I'm telling you. I love it. I don't I don't I don't know how I know what I know, I just know what I know. Yeah, and it took me a long time to accept that I just know what you know.

SPEAKER_02 36:52

I I just think that's spirit, you know. Otherwise, it's the smartest person in the room and I know it all, and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_00 37:00

Oh yeah, no, I met one of those guys.

SPEAKER_02 37:02

Yeah, run as fast as you can in the opposite direction. Run away. Right, right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:11

Because your system knows.

SPEAKER_00 37:12

Yeah, yeah, my system just knows, like, you know, it just, you know, I think now I just have to be careful that I don't say what I'm actually thinking. Because sometimes, like, because I live alone and I do a lot of van traveling by myself. And so I have been known to have some real like, why are you so narrow-minded? And everybody looks at me and I'm like, What? Filter, like I said, like oh, I said what I thought.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

Oh, that was that was my inside voice. I was in outside. Oh, that's good. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 37:47

Like it just kind of happened, like, oh, yeah, you know, like that's great. Anyway, so yeah, so just trust yourself, and you know, there's a lot of stuff out there online. That's the other thing that I want to say, is there's a lot of stuff out there, and it's just not true. Oh god, yeah, oh my god, like that really, you know, like because I listen to like astrology and like all that stuff because I really I love all that kind of stuff, and we're very much in air right now, and like I have my people, my go-to people that I just love and trust, and but there's a lot of like you can like you can mess yourself up. Like I did kind of mess up when I was when I was first playing with stones because I went to oh Instagram, well they have pretty pictures and like you know what I mean, and you're like, Yeah, no, don't do that.

SPEAKER_02 38:44

Oh yeah, it's that's such a great point, Ronan. And honestly, in part, that's what prompted Christy and I to really start this podcast because we saw so much misinformation out there or so much bullshit, and it's like yeah, you know, it's I I literally do believe question everything because they're just I and I'll I'll share this, it's very simple. I saw this post about celery, and the woman is saying, celery, if the stalk at the bottom, it's got the whole bunch, if it's white, that's GMO. And I'm like, yeah, I don't think that's accurate. So I fact check, and it's like, no, that's the part that's below the ground, the chlorophyll, so it's not turning green. In fact, I also learned as of two uh 2026, there is zero GMO celery in the United States. So thank you for bringing that up, Ron, because I would just say fact check, or if someone calls you forward and you have that little inkling, like, I don't know, trust it, you know, trust yourself.

SPEAKER_03 39:50

Trust yourself, it's learning to trust it, and it's a journey, it's a now with everything that's real and not real.

SPEAKER_00 39:57

Yes, like the eagle carrying the deer. That was the first one that I ever saw was when I was like, the eagle was carrying like a baby elk or a baby deer or something like that. Oh, yeah. And I was like, that's impossible.

SPEAKER_02 40:10

Yes, a cat, maybe, but not yeah, not yeah, right. Like but thank you, Rowan. We so appreciate you taking the time to be here with us and sharing your information. And Rowan's rituals on Instagram is the best way. Um, if you like this podcast, please share it with others. Tell your friends. We love bringing more uh people here, and I would think it might be fun to actually do this again and actually do a grid, you know.

SPEAKER_03 40:38

Yeah, I was thinking we should do a grid and have a conversation about what we noticed. Yeah, that would be awesome.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

That would be really fun. Well, thank you guys so much for having me. It was awesome.

SPEAKER_03 40:48

I'm thank you. So nice to meet you.

SPEAKER_00 40:50

Yeah, great to meet you.

SPEAKER_02 40:52

Bye everyone. See you next time.

unknown 40:54

See you.