Curiosity Over Certainty: Exploring Spirituality with an Open Mind

What if we didn't have to choose between believing everything and dismissing everything? What if curiosity was enough?

In this episode of No One Is Perfect, Marti and Christy explore what it means to approach spirituality with an open mind while staying grounded in discernment. Together, they discuss the value of noticing our judgments, questioning our assumptions, and making room for wonder without feeling pressured to have all the answers.

From galactic beings and intuition to faith, consciousness, and the mysteries of life, this conversation isn’t about convincing you what to believe. It’s about creating space for honest exploration, respectful dialogue, and the courage to say, “I don’t know… but I’m curious.”

Whether you’re deeply spiritual, skeptical, or somewhere in between, this episode is an invitation to embrace curiosity over certainty and discover that some of life’s richest conversations begin when we’re willing to ask better questions.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome back, everyone, to No One is Perfect. Hi, Christy. Hi, Marty. Good to see you. You too. So, Christy and I always have these great conversations before we even start the podcast. And we've really had this, really want to talk about this idea of spirituality. There's so much going on out there. There's so many things that can draw us in. And I know what we were talking about before this is to find what works for us individually. To like, I like the old term from 12 steps, take what you like and leave the rest. And if you find something that resonates with you, it's like, oh, that's for me. And if you find stuff that you have resistance to, it could be genuine resistance, like there's something that's not right about that for me, or it can be non-resonance. So we really want to have this discussion today about spirituality and really how do we cultivate that within ourselves, no matter what all the noise on social media or in different religions or in the world is, what feels rightest and truest for us individually? So Christy.

SPEAKER_00 1:17

Hi, Marty. Such a conversation that can bring up many activations in people. Um and my hope is it brings up curiosity and and hopefully if you can check do your own check of oh, that's not for me, or no, that's not true. And notice how that comes up because as I've watched different, there's so many things online now. And what I find fascinating is it's almost like we're losing our minds. And someone else is holding what our belief system is based on what's coming through them or what they're channeling, like um some really popular channelers out there channel galactic beings, some people channel Jesus, some people channel Mary Magdalene, right? There's a whole book on Mary Magdalene that I've read that was channeled, it was quite brilliant. Um in general, what I've read, because I've this is very interesting to me. I've read many, many books with people who've channeled. It always comes back to the same end result, which is love.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

However, I think it's its own kind of religiosity that's now galactic. Like at what point do we come to do our own check-in of what's true for me, not what someone tells me I should be doing, whether that's a galactic being, God, Jesus. There's so many names now that are online. What's true for me and what's my discernment? And that's really what we're going to talk about today.

SPEAKER_01 3:12

Yes. I love that, Christy. We were talking beforehand, you know, I saw the term galactic being, and I was telling you, I was like, wow, there it is. I noticed I had a lot of judgment about that. There wasn't curiosity, and I just really paid attention. I'm like, wow, that's interesting. That, and I think in part, part of it is my childhood being told what to believe and being told in the religion of Catholicism that I grew up in. There wasn't, you weren't really given a choice. You were told, this is how it is, this is it. And any kind of questioning you had was viewed as problematic. You're in, and it makes sense that you're in a system where everybody wants you to believe the same, be in the same, and it doesn't leave space for us to decide what works for us. So it was really wild noticing because we were talking about Lee Harris. You know, Lee Harris talks about channeling the disease. I totally believe the guy, I believe what he does. He's very authentic to me. There's no way that I believe that we are the only beings, like here on planet Earth, that there's not other beings elsewhere, whatever they look like, sound like. I have no idea. I don't have the answer for it. But it was funny that I'm like that term galactic beings. And I think it's part of what you said. I've seen more and more of that online, and some of the stuff that I've seen, I would definitely call it discernment and probably some sprinkled with some judgment thrown in. Like, that's not resonating for me. It's not, it's feeling like I think the big thing for me is for myself, as I've continued to work on my trauma that's been in the way, I find more of an opening to spirituality in a way that I was never raised with. And I like that. And I to your point, I think it's so important that we all know we're not cookie cutter, there's not one way each of us individually can find the way that resonates with us, and that's really again what we we hope for people to find. And we were talking about all kinds of names, words, Jesus, and all that can be very um triggering. And I told you the story of this, I was at a meeting on Friday, and there was a wife of a friend of my husband's, and she had a ball cap that said Jesus on it, really big. And I laugh to myself because there's nothing offensive because I'm so into Jesus right now and the teachings of that, but I thought I could a hundred percent wear that hat, but the meaning for me would be Jesus so different, and that could be for her, exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 5:59

That's the assumption that you assume it's one thing, right? I had a little, I it was probably a year ago. So funny, I've never had this happen. I worked on a new client, and at the end he left, he came back, drove back, and said, I'm supposed to give you this. And it was one of those little rubber Jesus statues. And I'm like, well, how fascinating that I needed a Jesus. I had the best laugh, and I'm like, I probably do. Because for me, today, let me just be super clear. Jesus represents an enlightened being to me that came to the planet to teach us what love is and to teach us how to open our hearts. Um, Buddha came to teach us about the mind. Mary Magdalene and Mary Mother of Jesus. I believe those beings came in to teach us about love. Like there's so many um stories and lessons within that that I'm really glad today I can go, I can be open and not have a hard no and slam the door. Yes. Because that's what I used to be, because I think that's I really believe that's required if you leave a religion like I left the religion that I grew up in. And I think there's a time and place for that door to be slammed. Yeah. So you can reorient and go, well, who am I without that? What am I? Right. What do I believe? And work through the anger and or maybe sometimes betrayal. Sometimes there's abuse that comes from cultures of religion, and it takes time to be able to come back into a space where you're not activated. And sometimes that's years. I know for me it was years to where now I can look at that and go, oh, that's so funny and so interesting. And what are the pieces that I can pull from what I learned without throwing everything out?

SPEAKER_01 8:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:11

But what a process that is has been for me. I'll speak to myself. Come back to a space of curiosity versus oh, hell no.

SPEAKER_01 8:20

Yeah. It's no putting that wall up. It's so interesting. We do have parallel lives that way. Like, you know, I left Catholicism. I have a friend that still practices, I know people that do, and I'm like, that's great. Yeah. If it gives you meaning and purpose, it works for you, that's awesome. And I would never try to tell someone else what to believe. I would share my beliefs, but that doesn't mean anyone else has to believe the way I do. And I do think, like, I looked at my leading Catholicism as a detoxification process for me. It was because I look at everything that I was taught to believe. And I mean, I joke with other, you know, ex-Catholics and they always joke, you're always kind of Catholic on some level, the guilt, the shame, and then the like the guilt is huge. It I, you know, I don't think it ever necessarily completely leaves you. And it's you're just basically taught, at least in the way I was, that you are born sinful, you are born, you know, with stuff scored on your heart. You virtually have to spend the rest of your life, you know, like bowing to a highly narcissistic God that's a white male, which we've talked about before. And it's so much richer than that for me now. It's it's so much richer, and then that profound spiritual experience I had in my 20s just rearranged my brain and changed how I saw things. And it's still forever a work in progress for me. But like you, I I do see things, you know, that I'm like, oh, that's interesting, and ah, that seems kind of punitive and punishing. And and I, you know, and the near-death experiences that I watch, it's always uh ultimately ends up being about love.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

Yeah, about love, yeah. Yeah, and I I feel like most of the messages that are coming through from people who are channeling, whatever being that may be. Yeah, overall it is about love, and that we can't save our planet by killing each other, which to me isn't a bad message. I don't care where it comes from. Yeah, I don't either. It's you know, collectively it is about love, and I think the most important part is it doesn't matter where it comes from, if that's the message, what's right for you and your heart, yeah, how you live your life, because at the end of the day, that's the only thing that matters, right?

SPEAKER_01 10:57

It's so true. It just made me think about you know, the rescue world that I've been involved with, and I this is truly how I feel about it now, having been in it a bit. It's never the animal that's really the problem for me, it's the human and the humans that I've dealt with that I'm like they can be quite disappointing to me. And and I what I see even in that world is when the ego takes over, the dog gets lost in the process. And I think that's true in anything, be it a religion or a channel or a thing when the ego starts to take over, you know, it's like things just get lost in translation translation. The very human part of us is the thing that messes up. It's like that that documentary, the year the earth changed during covet, when all the humans were shut down, and how the animal kingdom thrived, yeah, thrived without our interaction. That should tell us something, you know, if we're curious about that.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

Well, and that's what I my hope is that we can as human beings stay curious, yes, and notice when there is a trigger to be curious about it. Yes, like yeah, whatever it is, yeah, because that does there's so many different based on your belief system, what you're going to believe or feel about something. Yeah. And I think we have enough polarization right now in our world. The curiosity or uh tell me more about your point of view. Right. Not that I need to agree with you or you need to agree with me, Marty, but I'm curious about tell me why you believe that and where does it come from? And because there's always a story behind a belief.

SPEAKER_01 12:57

Absolutely, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 12:59

Sometimes it's a generational story, yes, yes. And I just I think there's a lot of wisdom to be held within those old systems, too. And to not be so hard around that you have to be right and they have to be wrong.

SPEAKER_01 13:22

Yeah, I mean, and you just see so much of that right now, this righteous indignation or this moral superiority. Like that's often my time to run as fast as I can in the opposite direction, you know, when I'm met with that. It's like, okay, like there's even like, you know, we talked about the galactic mean thing. I'm like, oh gosh, I'm curious, what is that judgment about for me? Like, where what's that triggering in me? What's that bring up for me? And to ask myself that question, it I think that's a great thing to be like interesting that I feel that way about it. Like, what's what's there? What's below the surface? And I think well, and years ago, I had a friend, I mean, years ago, talk to me when I was deeply still entrenched in Catholicism. She grew up very differently to talk about reincarnation. I was literally like, do not talk to me about that. Like it was so visceral, and it's like, what's that about? And I mean I a hundred percent believe in it now, which is fascinating because I was so rejecting of that idea, and it's like, but you know, it pushed against everything that I was programmed, and I would say programmed.

SPEAKER_00 14:37

Well, you were taught to believe that it was dangerous, yes, exactly. Yeah, right, because it doesn't fit within that paradigm, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

And then when I really thought about it, I'm like, it just makes way more sense to me than the whole heaven and hell thing. Like, it makes more sense to me to want to be a better person than the heaven or hell ever did for me, which is fascinating. And again, that's me. That doesn't mean that's anybody else.

SPEAKER_00 15:08

Yeah, it's been it's quite a journey coming. I mean, I'm 55 today. You're how old, Marty? Uh 64. 64. So we're about 10 years difference. Both of us coming from a really strict religious background. And for me, I know I shut all of that off for a while. And today I'm super curious. Yeah. And I know for me, I definitely believe in a higher intelligence. I believe that I'm part of that intelligence. Um, and that I really don't know much.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

Oh my gosh, that's what I mean. Like when I think about the whole universe, I'm like, I have no idea what else is going on out there, but I know I just believe there's way more than I'm capable of grasping here in in human form. That's why I think I'm just so drawn to the near-death experience because they so many of them just get this experience of just all this amazing other stuff that's surrounding to us that you know, and in a body on planet earth, just the focus gets more narrowed, you know.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

We can't see it.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

No, no.

SPEAKER_00 16:22

And I think when someone has a near-death experience, it changes their lives so much that they're never the same, and that is a spiritual experience, absolutely, and I think there's more and more of that, really, and we have access to that more than we ever have, yes, because of YouTube and documentaries and Gaia, which I love to watch. Those to make us curious, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:50

It's like, and so many of them were said, This happened, and I was told like share the message. And one gal in particular said, You don't have to die to get this experience, and that's really what I experienced. I didn't die, but I had this profound shifting in my consciousness, you know, driving around doing the least spiritual thing. I was maybe 26, driving around Chicago, doing my like outside sales job, dealing with traffic, listening to these. They were called Life and Teachings of the Masters of the Far East by Baird T. Spaulding. I was at a Unity Church at the time, and this gal just shoved them to me. There were cassettes. Listen to those. Oh my goodness. I listened to them over and over and over. I couldn't stop listening to them, and then all of a sudden it was like, whoa! Like I had this knowingness, not from arrogance at all, but like this is truth that I'm and it was such a a different way to see things. It was about like the devil and where could the devil possibly be? And and Jesus in such a different way, and uh Mary Magdalene and Mother Mary, and the whole idea of enlightened masters and our journey as humans. On I always remember this line: man will go on in the hard way until he realizes there's a better way. Always struck me. And I think planet Earth in a body, this is the hard way. It's a hard way. And we're learning exactly, and that's a big part of our learning process. It's yeah to be in a body and to have this experience and to learn and grow from that too.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

And I would also say to speak for me, I'll speak for me again forgiveness around the past so we can grow. What I've seen in my practice and myself is the longer that I hold on to a grudge or something that I hate or that I feel bitter about, it also holds on in my soft tissue, in my nervous system, in my lymphatic system, in my brain. And as I've done healing work through many different modalities, what I've noticed is as those feelings are expressed, as that event is witnessed by another human being, and even like the inner child piece, the little child is witnessed and taken care of by me. So many of those restraints in my psychic field of what I can believe, what I can't, I can't forgive, like broke free.

SPEAKER_01 19:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:47

And we were talking in the beginning that you can't think your way through forgiveness. I think you feel your way through, however, that is, and even coming to a place of like I think you can forgive and not have to love is an interesting term, but to forgive and be neutral and have the charge not be there is healing.

SPEAKER_01 20:12

Oh, huge. It's huge.

SPEAKER_00 20:13

You don't have to love someone, you know, say you had a parent that was abusive. There's this, it's such a weird bending of the brain that you have to love them. And I think you can forgive and become neutral in, and that also is love.

SPEAKER_01 20:32

Yeah, yeah, I think that's so true. And it's not the standard form of love, like it's like the commandment, honor thy father and mother. And I remember when I realized, I'm like, wait a minute, don't they need to behave honorably?

unknown 20:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

Am I supposed to just honor them because they're my parents? No, like it's there, there's so much to that. Are they cultivating the honor? You know, that kind of thing. Otherwise, that's that whole trap on, you know, they're beating me, but I'm still supposed to honor them. And then that's when, like you said, stuff gets stuck in the tissues and in our nervous system. And, you know, it's like, like I always say, I'm so happy for you. Because you're like trying to be something that you're not. And I've always found this, especially in the tapping world, when we can honor our truth, the unadulterated, full-blown truth, without the trying to be appropriate. And we for in my world to tap through that, it sets us free. Then forgiveness comes with ease. You know, we've talked about this many times without having try to forgive. And yeah, that same thing of I I have such compassion for both my parents now that I didn't have when I was told they did the best they could, and I never got. My feelings heard or validated when I started to be able to do that for myself. Then it was like so much shifted in the best possible way. And it wasn't about like, you know, I could understand they were wounded too. They did the things they did. We're all trying to figure it out. I've wounded my kids, and it's like, okay, I can own what I can own and be the best that I can be with that. But yeah, the just the spirituality thing, it's like it's it's everyone's got to find the way that makes sense for them.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

Yeah. And trust that what feels good to you and what feels good in your heart. And if there's I think there's a resonance of truth in most messages, yeah. It doesn't mean you have to be converted to the message.

SPEAKER_01 22:56

Exactly. I love that. I love that. Yeah, there's take what you like and leave the rest. Oh, that makes so much sense to me. But that part doesn't really fit for me.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

Yeah. And then people don't get put on a pedestal that always falls.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

Oh, always. Every time I've enter any ever put anybody on a pedestal, boom.

SPEAKER_00 23:17

Right. And then there's a whole when that does happen, there's a whole loop underneath that of how how could I have done that again? And why did I give them my power? And I think we're in such a different time today about even the question of what is power, who holds my power, how do I access my power? Right. And we have access to so much. Right. Right. And I I also think that as we get quiet once a day on a hike, doesn't mean you have to sit and hold your fingers together and meditate. That is not what I'm saying. Yeah. But to get quiet without distraction in your ears, in your eyes, to connect back to nature. That is the guidance that we seek.

SPEAKER_01 24:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:04

And what comes through you is exactly what needs to be for you. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

Yeah. I know I was running around this morning like I always do. And I was like, just go sit outside without the dogs, without the cats, and just sit in the frontier, even if it's for three minutes.

SPEAKER_00 24:19

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

And maybe it was three minutes, maybe it was five. But I just sat there, felt the sun, just took a couple breaths, just gave myself that little break. And it was it was amazing. And that's why I think, like, you know, people like, I got this thought when I was in the shower, because I think there's more, you know, the negative ions is shifting, and there's just more access to it. Or, you know, we wake up in the middle of the night, like, whoa, there's that thought. So we have more access to that, you know, the collective, whatever one chooses.

SPEAKER_00 24:52

It's always there.

SPEAKER_01 24:54

Yes, always.

SPEAKER_00 24:55

It doesn't go away, it doesn't sleep. Yeah, always present. Yeah. And I think our own humanness to our addictions to not want to feel, right? And we work or we drink or sex or smoking, pick your addiction. Everyone has one.

SPEAKER_01 25:11

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 25:12

And to notice when you want to do it. I have no judgment, believe me, I have a full list. But when I notice I want like you know, a glass of wine or some chocolate, something to satiate my anxiety, for me to do it more consciously versus mindlessly.

SPEAKER_01 25:34

Oh, so true.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

And slow down in that is has been so helpful for me.

SPEAKER_01 25:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

To come into my body first and then have whatever that is.

SPEAKER_01 25:45

Yeah. Yeah. I was in a situation over the 4th of July on a sudden, and I'm like, whoa, I'm really triggered here. And I just paid attention to it. I didn't try to make myself feel different. I definitely did some things to really take care of myself. I saw the resentment starting to build. And I was like, Mark, go take care of yourself now. And it was just great. Was it kind of messy? Yeah. But it was like, wow, I stayed present with myself. I didn't abandon myself in that moment. I just stayed present with the emotions and what I was feeling. And amazingly, when I got to the other side of it, it was like, wow, there's another profound piece of healing.

unknown 26:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:33

That was coming up for me to take a look at. And like really getting in touch with this piece in my life when I was younger around bullying, that I'm like, wow, it's just been profound.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

And I don't you think I know for me it creates so much more expansion in my physical body. And I'm gonna, I would say my energetic or spiritual body to be able to know that you can do that, that you have a choice of how long you're going to stay in the trigger to allow it to be there though, because you can't bypass it. Right. You took care of it, you took time, you did what was needed, and then it moved through you instead of getting stuck in your face or your butt or your foot or because energy has to move.

SPEAKER_01 27:27

Yes, it does.

SPEAKER_00 27:28

And the longer we leave a hurt or a trigger a wound in us, the more dense our body becomes, and that's what creates pain over time. And sometimes it's psychosomatic pain, sometimes it's physical pain.

SPEAKER_01 27:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:44

And to trust our guidance, which come back to circle back, our guidance is spirit. Yeah. Which is ours connecting to that intelligence. That's how I see that. Oh, and whatever intelligence or being that you want to um learn from? Great.

SPEAKER_01 28:06

Yeah. I mean, who am I to tell you what it is for you? Right. You know, it's like like I always joke and say, Fred Flintstone, the dinosaurs, Jesus, but I don't care. Whatever it works for you. That's why I always think in 12 steps, it's higher power. What is that? What's that personal thing for you? And then there's freedom in that. There's absolute freedom in that. And yeah, it's and again, as I keep staying present with myself in those moments of triggers, it just creates more space because more of the muck gets cleared out where there's more access. That's the other thing, Christy. I've noticed in this past month, the synchronicities are like ping, like a pinball machine, bing, bing, bing, bing. And like, whoa, there's spirit. Whoa, there's spirit. Like just when I think something's going south, and whoa, something. And I know, I know it's something like a power greater than my small self, the ego self. Because I was like, I couldn't have made that, I couldn't have manifested that. Right. It just came because uh there's a part of me that like offered it up and let go, offered up your resistance, yeah. It's like, and then it created space for the miracle to come. And I'm like, I just have seen so many of those recently, and I'm like, that's wild. It's so cool. It it's so cool.

SPEAKER_00 29:35

One of one of the teachers that I've learned from describe that is the infinity loop. And as we exhale, I release my resistance, which is our mind, needing to be right, needing to um need people to agree with us. I release my resistance on the outbreath, and I receive grace, I receive healing or guidance on my in-breath.

SPEAKER_01 30:05

I love that.

SPEAKER_00 30:06

And that's reciproc reciprocity again with Mother Earth.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

Yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

I love that and to do that if you get stuck outside with a thought to offer it up to this beautiful world we live in.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

Yeah. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:24

And it can be that simple in a practice.

SPEAKER_01 30:26

Yeah. Yeah, it's so true. It's just, it made me think of it. I was talking to someone earlier today, and they were saying they felt like they were being tested. And it's interesting. I just said, can I just offer a perspective? And I said, You don't need to believe this at all. I don't believe that we're tested anymore. That's me. It's me. I don't believe that we're tested. I think there's a soul curriculum. This is Marty Murphy's personal opinion. And I think things come into our world to help us, to open us to see things differently, to help us grow and expand. And then for me, it goes back to that like, I'm gonna allow spirit to move through me. What's for the highest good here? I don't have to have the answer. The answer can come through me rather than by me. And I I it was it was like the person I was talking to is like, wow, that's really helpful because otherwise the test to me is punitive. You're being to see like will you pass?

SPEAKER_00 31:27

And it's like committed, and it's like, oh my god, which goes back again though to old religion. Yeah, and I just I think reframing it like you just did is really helpful.

SPEAKER_01 31:41

Yeah, it has been for me in my life because otherwise it was just more oh, now I'm being punished again because I mean tested to see, it's like I'm so done with all the like I mean, I still have it in me, so I still have to catch it and be like, wow, there it is again.

SPEAKER_00 31:57

Yeah, because it does it dances with us the past and the present and what we're moving into. It does, it goes in and out. And I think if people can, I know for me, if I can see that as there it is, what's my next move, what's my next choice, yeah, and move from there, but to slow down in it is probably the biggest piece, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:24

Yeah, and it's like talking about different people that we follow to understand that we can move away from them at some point. If it's like, I don't know, it's just like this was working for me and it's not now. There's nothing wrong with that, and also to notice that we're all evolving, like what someone believes five years ago, they're a different person today, so beliefs can shift and change. And as we gain wisdom, you know, and you can hear all that stuff. Beliefs are beliefs. Well, are they curious? Can I be curious? Are they are they?

SPEAKER_00 33:01

And they change like the wind. Yeah, they do, and it's okay to let them change, yeah. Yeah, and really practice. I know for me the practice of trusting myself and my connection to that, let it move through me, has allowed me to do so much more healing, yeah. Um, than needing to be right and vindictive and revengeful because I've done all that too. Oh yeah. That's part of the process.

SPEAKER_01 33:33

Oh yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 33:37

Yeah. We're here to grow and we're here to learn. And Marty, I really appreciate this conversation because I I have it with many people, and just what I've noticed online today with the conversation, you know, a woman's channeling Jesus. I'm like, okay. And I was curious. Right. Yeah. I'm like, I don't know anyone that channels Jesus. Right. And I I listened to it and I'm like, well, that was really good. Yeah. And like you and I were saying before, she doesn't need permission from anyone. No, no. And her message is be loving, be kind, like all of the things we just talked about.

SPEAKER_01 34:21

Yeah. Yeah, that's fascinating. There was a woman I knew years ago, actually, when I was in Utah on a different thing that channeled Prince. And I was like, I don't know what I think about it. I mean, I don't. I'd watch her on stage, and it was hilarious to me sometimes. She'd go, I know that, I know that. And she's like shiffing it off. And I'm like, well, that's that's curious, that's interesting. And then I watched a girl recently, no matter what people think about Michael Jackson, I have a completely different view of him in a better way than I ever had. And it was wild that I found this thing, and I'm like, I was meant to watch this because it was all about this energy that's around in regards to that, you know, with the movie and stuff coming out. And I was like, oh, that's fascinating that I was meant to hear this. Because for me, anything that that comes to me to help me alleviate more of my judgment or more of my, well, they said it, so it must be true, yeah, and not be curious and not question. And you know, now there's so many things that I'm like, it's so different than what we're being told, you know, or can be very different. And I just it goes back to that. Like, I'm just gonna try and remain curious. Like I always joke with Liam, my husband. I'm like, dude, you take question everything to a whole new level, which is a different conversation, exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 35:57

So because there's wisdom and trust too, yes, absolutely, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 36:03

But no, it's been a great conversation, Christy.

SPEAKER_00 36:06

And I yeah, loved it, Marty. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 36:09

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SPEAKER_00 36:19

Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 36:21

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