The Mo Vaughn Podcast
MLB legend and former MVP Mo Vaughn is joined by Brendan Tobin to discuss baseball from the youth level all the way through the pros. New episodes premier every Thursday with some of the biggest names in baseball and entertainment joining the show!
The Mo Vaughn Podcast
Episode 42 - An Alumni Rant, Salary Cap Talk, Division Movers, and Stabilizing Forces
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Mo and Will dive into the owner's proposed salary cap, talk about the divisional risers, and how important a stabilizing manager or player actually is. Also, Mo has an epic rant about how teams need to include their alumni in player development!
MVP, the Mo Vaughn podcast, presented by Perfect Gain and Boston Sports Academy. Will Burge literally alongside the man himself, Mo Vaughn.
SPEAKER_01We finally did it, Mo. I know. Look at this. This is this may be what's coming, man. Yeah, it could be. But I'm glad to glad to sit sit beside you. I think this may be something that's going to be happening for our viewers coming forward.
SPEAKER_04Look, a little rain never scared me away. I lived in Cleveland, Ohio a lot of my life. It could be snowing back there right now, for all I know. It was 82 days ago. That means snow's probably in the forecast. That's how it works up there. It is nice to have shorts on, though, and know that I uh I probably don't have to take them off anytime soon down here, which is nice. So um, all right, so we got a whole bunch of stuff to talk about across baseball. There's a whole bunch of, you know, are you a golf guy at Almo? Like, not to play, but do you ever watch any of the tournaments like when Tiger was coming down to the woods? All right. So, you know how on the big tournaments you got your first couple rounds, and then the Saturday is the second to last day, and they call that moving day, right? Right. And I, as I was thinking about Major League Baseball this week, I was thinking about how they always say you can't win a division in March, April, May, but you can lose it.
SPEAKER_01You could definitely lose it.
SPEAKER_04And I think this is the beginning of that window, which I would like to call it's not moving day, right? But this is the moving period. Now, through the all-star break, through the trade deadline, this is when teams start to separate themselves and say, This is my divisional race, or hey, we might have been in the basement, we're able to crawl out a little bit here. As a player, did you did you feel that at a certain point in the season where it's like, all right, we're starting to heat up? We kind of know what we are. Let's let's make a run here.
SPEAKER_01I think you feel it when you're at the top of the standings and you make it, you know, I listen, I've only been to the playoffs tight twice in in 12 years. I seem like I was always, you know, running, running uphill. You know what I mean? But I remember in '95, we were we went from last place to first place and you started feeling that that understanding of what you had to do, how you wanted to approach it. It's a great feeling when you're when you're running for the division or the playoffs in September. I've only done it twice. But um wow, it makes it easy to come to the ballpark. You you know where you're going. Unfortunately, at the time when I was doing that, the Red Sox were owned by a trust. So we really never, I never really experienced a change of fortune with a team. But it's gotta be nice when you know, teams like the Yankees do it, teams like the Dodgers do it. Um you know reinforcements might be head your way, right? When there's ownership like that. That's gotta be that uh a great feeling to feel that when it's coming.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Um, I'm interested to get your opinion on a couple different things. Where I want to start out is in the NL West, right? Everybody's talking about the Dodgers. They've kind of pulled up out of it mini skid. I mean, they weren't playing bad baseball, but they lost a couple games there. The we talked about the Padres last week in in the way they're scuffling offensively, but Tatis finally gets his first home run. All of a sudden looks like he just needed that off his back, I feel like hopefully he breaks out there. But how about the Arizona Diamondbacks? I want to talk about the Snakes because they are playing damn good baseball right now. That division looks like an absolute killer, and the Diamondbacks look like a team. If they make the postseason, you don't want to see them. And that's kind of the roster we thought they had the last couple years, but they started out slow this year.
SPEAKER_01Listen, you listen to their manager Toy Lavogue. He has the great concept of what he wants to do. He has a great way of simplifying the game for the guys' offensive. I've heard him talk. He talks about, you know, 2-0 fastball, 3-1 fastball, you know, not hitting the breaking ball until you have to. And I like the fact that, you know, he brings guys into his office to to have a conversation. And he does it to the young guys. He understands clearly um what his players can and cannot do. Um and he really implements that. And I think, you know, you know, he saw little struggles at the beginning of the season. And his approach, I think, has now propelled them into the process of what they what they were. You know, last year, they have a great, great second baseman, um Martell. And he's gotten hot.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01He's gotten he's sizzling, and it coincides with them playing well. So um they've been here before, they know how to do it. They're gonna be a tough, tough matchup in a division from here on up.
SPEAKER_04You know, it's interesting too, because it goes back to your point of you know, playing uphill most of your career, right? So you're playing uphill, that's basically what the Diamondbacks are doing. And I think that says a lot about a manager to keep your clubhouse's head in it, grinding, because let's be realistic here. Does anybody think, honestly, that the Diamondbacks are six and a half games, six and a half games back of the Dodgers right now that they're gonna catch and surpass the Dodgers? Probably not. So your team has to still show up every single day, process oriented, and not worry about that there's a team hovering above them that they're probably not gonna catch in those standings. That's gotta be a tough, that's a tough uh needle to thread. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01Well, look, you know, that's what's great about the wild card. It's really put interest down into game 162. And now sometimes game 163, right? Yeah, shout out to our boy Bud Sealing, by the way. Yeah. You know, it it it'll be talking about that too soon. Um it it peaks that interest. It keeps everybody going. So um, like I said, they've been here before, they know what they got to do. One of their best guys is starting to peak at the right time. And I think you got a manager that really understands how to connect with his players and and and get the best of them, they they're gonna compete.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I agree too. And that's gonna be fun to watch out there. Um, obviously, the NL right now is just it's just full of juggernauts, it feels like. And it feels like if you're in the AL and you're at 500, you're probably in competition. Right. Which I don't think is saying there's less talent in the AL. I think it's just saying there's more parity. And I think the place that uh probably most personifies that is the AL East. You know, the the Tampa Bay Rays, the surprise team, they come out, they're playing this different type of baseball, they're bunted all over the yard, they're using speed, they're stealing bases. They start to get a little cold three and seven in their last 10. The Yankees get a little hot besides, and we'll get to the team they lost to yesterday in a minute, but they're, you know, all of a sudden the Yankees are just a game back. And if you're a young team that doesn't have the payroll like Tampa Bay, and a team like the Yankees is nipping at your heels, and all of a sudden there's people talking about are they gonna trade for school bowl or who else could they bring at the deadline? This is the opposite effect of what we were just talking about for that team, right? And now you're not focused on yourself, you're focusing on, all right, how do we maintain? But damn it, they're right on our heels now.
SPEAKER_01Listen, but I think I think Tampa Bay, that's that's their their pedigree. That is, though. I think that's what they do. I think they understand what type of market they're in. They're in. I I hear a lot about their players coming up and being prepared. Some I a la the A la the Dodgers, a la the Braves, those guys are ready to play. But I I don't think I think they clearly understand that you're gonna have peaks and valleys. And they clearly understand how to navigate that. So right now, you know, the Yankees are nipping on their heels, but they're not gonna change the way they play. They're the way that they play extends right through the through the through the season, through any type of you know, series or or or long stretch, they're gonna play their game. So um I think that they're just that's their their pedigree and what they understand that they're gonna be, it's gonna be a tight race, and I think they're used to it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and you go to the Yankees side, Rodan, Cole, all of a sudden they're getting a bunch of help in that starting rotation, and they've not only held served this far, but they've been damn good to this point. Um, if they get healthy in that rotation, man, you could see we could see a real serious run from them. And I'm I'm with you. I think that handful of teams, right? There's certain teams like what is it, Tampa Bay, Milwaukee. Um, I'd like to throw the Guardians in there. I think they play that same way every style. Every single year, you know, you know they're gonna compete. Cincinnati, who else, who else can we put in there that every year you know that they're gonna be there?
SPEAKER_01Man, you know, I think you've I think you've named, you know, listen, we're you know, I'm hoping personally that Houston gets back in it. I think they're they have been they're doing the right things here in that dialogue. They're doing the right things. They kind of have to, yeah. But they're but but they're but they're holding service. What are they, three or four back out of the out of the wild card? But I think you're right, you know, um you you named, you know, I think Pittsburgh. Oh, yeah. I think Pittsburgh.
SPEAKER_04Well, now hopefully we get an era of Pittsburgh baseball that mirrors something like Cincinnati.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. But I think that whole central, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Milwaukee, managers. Yeah. Right? Managers who understand how to understand what their roster is and and and what their personality is and how to get the best out of them. And I think you have young players who starting to mature, and that that's gonna be a that's gonna be a bomb that that uh that central AL that NL Central next three, four years, because they're gonna be going back and forth. Oh, yeah. On L Cruz is hitting the ball. Man, this dude hit a ball the other, you know, two nights ago, and he posed. I said, wow. That was gone, that was awesome. So there's a lot of good playing in that in that NL Central, and I think it's gonna get better and better. Manager, player, understanding how to play, how to compete, playoff time. I think it's I think it's coming.
SPEAKER_04And we talk, obviously, we took everybody talks Yankees ad nauseum because of the Yankees, right? Especially they're always good.
SPEAKER_01They're always they're fighting a bigger ghost.
SPEAKER_04Yes, 100%.
SPEAKER_01They're fighting a bigger ghost.
SPEAKER_04But that I just, you know, I guess I kind of knew it could happen that they could get healthy in the rotation and they could be in this position. But I was really looking at it yesterday. I'm like, man, if these guys really start clicking in the starting rotation, they could be scary out in the AL. And I don't want to say it's ever a two-horse race because it's not, right? Baseball is built on parody and anybody could beat anybody on any given day. But there's got to be a lot of other teams in the AL that it seems to be wide open going, I don't necessarily want them to be healthy because that makes it that much less wide open. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01Listen, they're they're they're gonna be a jump. They're there. If if everybody gets healthy, the pitching wise, they got two or three number one starters. You know, they're just in a row. You know what I mean? And and as we just agreed, the Yankees are are are bidding for something greater. Their expectation is that they're gonna be in the playoffs, their expectation is that they need to get to the World Series, and their expectation is that they're gonna win the World Series. And I don't even know if that's realistic or not. I just I I I I I played against the the the 90s Yankees, those who are super juggernauts, they are not that. Um but that's just the expectations of the pinstripes. So they're never gonna get credit when you think they should. Yeah, they're supposed to be winning. They're supposed to win the East. They're supposed to get to the to the AL, you know, um championship. They're supposed to get to the World Series. So those are the demons that they gotta fight. And listen, don't think, when's the last one? 2011, 2014, 2011, 2014, or something like that. Yeah, somewhere around there, yeah. It's been a while. There's been some teams that have got some confidence again against them too, that are feeling good that they aren't what they used to be, that they're gonna have to fight with. So we gotta just watch.
SPEAKER_04Did you ever run across anybody in your career? Because we've heard stories, you gotta say names necessarily, but we've heard stories and um some people on the record, some just rumblings of others that they what they signed with the Yankees and they didn't necessarily realize how how different that was gonna be there. And their career outside of the pinstripes was something that was like heralded, but on the pinstripes, they got ran out of town because they just couldn't handle what the what I mean. That's that there's a weight to that there. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01Oh, that's real. Yeah. That's what I question about the Boston Red Sox. You have have you no one understands what it's like to put on those Red Sox uniforms until except the guys that have uh uh a time of service there. And when you have guys that have a time of service there with success, what are you doing? What are you doing passing that along like it means nothing? That's what means everything in the Philadelphia, New York, Boston, LA, those markets. You try to hold on to those guys as long as you can. You get one, you keep them. Because it's tough. It's tough. It's it's it's it's it's not plug and play. And I want to say something. It is totally off, it's totally off base, but it's it's something that I need to say. Look at look at and it's and it's basketball. Look at the Spurs, right? Look at Web and Yama, right? Look at who's who who are the mentors Popovich, Tim Duncan, um David Robinson with dreads, with dreads, by the way. So all those guys are there. And they're and they when when when when Web and Yama jumped, we got got ejected, who met him at the airport? How come those that organization knows how important it is for the young for the for the young players to be around these players? Championship DNA. Popovich is is helping them draw up game plans. Popovich is doing this, Tim Duncan's doing that. They're all talking, they all got their team together. You don't think MLB teams need that?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Why are all of our all of our players and coaches who have great history and great information and have played the game, we throw those guys aside. We don't need them. But you look at what happens. And I want to say this there's no evolution in baseball. There may be evolution on the NBA court. You may, you know, the big man with, you know, George Mike and all these other centers and Shaq and how they played the game. And now the game has evolved. Big man's, you know, you gotta throw the ball out to three-pointer. Now you got Webin Yama who's who's shooting threes. Baseball, you still gotta, if you're down by one with no outs and you're trying to tie the game, you gotta put down a bunt. You gotta feel the bunt. You're gonna be a high level, a starter pitch is gonna have to go to a high-level situation and get out of it. It's gonna have to know how to pitch in that situation. There's no evolution in baseball. I don't understand how we why we're recreating all this stuff. And it just goes to show if we, as ownership in our game, need to take the Spurs example. They got DNA, coaching, championship DNA around their great player. Why isn't Jeter in uniform helping Volpe? Why isn't I I just don't get that? Yeah. Our game needs to go back to that. I let me I digress.
SPEAKER_04Go. No, that's it's a great point. And even in the NBA, right, where the game on the court evolves, but what do the playoffs come down to? Who wants it more? Who's built like that? I mean, this is obviously different what's happened with the Spurs right now. It's never happened in NBA history, especially if they fix it. Because they have the support structure around them.
SPEAKER_01And if and if you're playing in these big, why isn't Wade Box and Pedro Martinez and Mo Vaughn and and whoever it is? You know, David Ortiz, they're there, but they're there as ambassadors. Why are we out in the hitting room?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Why isn't Pedro in the pitching room? Why are we excluding information from people that have played the game? I just don't understand it in our game. Are we what are we afraid? Are we in fear? What's gonna be said? What are we trying to protect? But if I'm an ownership, if I'm John Henry and I'm looking at what's going on in the Red Sox Clubhouse now, I'm calling everyone. Especially with that young of a roster. Exactly. You got you got Roman Anthony. He has the potential to be a great player. Why uh where's where's Car Yaskripsky? Where's I heard Jim Wright? He can't talk to the hitters. How? He's a Hall of Famer. What do you think you know better than the guys that played? It's amazing to me. If you're spending, you're spending, you're signing guys now. Two, three, four, five million dollars. And you're letting that investment ride on analytics? Come on, bro. Come on. Come on, we gotta do better.
SPEAKER_04I don't know what it is, but I just caught the baseball version of the Holy Ghost right now. I was back here like, mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01Preacher, that's my favorite right there. We gotta do better, man. We gotta do better. We like there's so much investment in these players, but we're leaving it up to people that don't know how to play to cultivate and facilitate the development of these players, and they're not doing it right.
SPEAKER_03I'm gonna cut this out, I guess, in one text real quick because this meeting started. That was per that was beautiful, by the way. 100% agree with you.
SPEAKER_01It's just I don't understand, man. How does Volpe where is Jeter? Where are all these players? Where's Willie Randolph? Where's all these guys? Where are where is everybody?
SPEAKER_04That's crazy to me. I completely agree with you. Completely agree with you. I I think we have, it's like you said, it's a pendulum, and it was so far back the other way to now all of a sudden those guys have somehow been replaced with spreadsheets.
SPEAKER_01And listen, Theo Theo Epstein, great GM. Numbers guy. I get it. But when they won in 2004, they had better players. You had Manny Ramirez who arguably could be the best right-handed hitter in the game. David Ortiz turned out to be Hall of Fame credentials. You needed, you had better players. The players win, not the numbers, man. Not the numbers. I I just don't, I just don't get it, man. All these guys, you think back, you close your eyes, you go, Phillies, man, Larry Boa, Mike, Smith, Dodgers, you name all these names. You know, I my my manager, you know, Mike Sosha, and then you, you know, Ron Say, Steve Garvey, and you name these names, and and you go back Yankees, and and you know, now, you know, I just looked about the era that I played, you know, where's O'Neill? Where's, you know, where's Jeter? Where's Bernie Williams? Where where are all these guys? Where is for the Red Sox? Where's Dustin Pejoia? Where are all these guys teaching the players how to play? And I just don't understand how the these owners, these owners are smart guys, right? They got a lot of money. They they didn't make this money by being nice. They're pretty frugal. I, you know, I don't really know too many nice billionaires in the world. You know what I mean? They they're usually very, very, you know, you know, they they they know what they want to do. They they they're they're executioners. That's how they got there. Yep. But when it comes to baseball, they seem very, very, you know, uninformed about what needs to happen. It's just the weirdest thing for me. I don't get it.
SPEAKER_04Preaching of the choir, baby. Preaching of the choir on that one. I love it. That's a good rant right there. Um, all right, so I got to go to something more fun, but at least for me. That's stupid. Um about them, how about them guard dogs? How about them guardians, man? The guardians still hanging on the first place, two and a half up in the central. And I'm gonna give them a shout out because they were scuffling a little bit. They weren't hitting the baseball well for a while. Jose Ramirez still wasn't really getting too hot. Travis Bazana gets called up, leading all second baseman in WRC plus. Kid has felt fit right in. He's he's watching the count well. He's he's studying the strikes, so he's taking walks, he's getting on base as a leadoff hitter now. But Mo, I want I don't know if you saw what happened yesterday. Your guy. Your guy. I usually call him my guy, but your guy, Jose Ramirez.
SPEAKER_01He's my guy.
SPEAKER_04Guardian's going to win yesterday, and we're we're recording this on Wednesday afternoon. So by the time this comes out tomorrow morning, they could have lost last night, and then there's a day game. Who knows by the time you listen to this? But I want to read you Jose Ramirez's career numbers in Yankee Stadium. You ready for these? Because yesterday he had three doubles, which is almost impossible in that stadium. Right. But it's almost impossible. So, career numbers, this is before the last double. He was hitting 400, nine home runs, 20 RBI in 35 games there. That boy's is that's a gamer, right? There. Can you imagine, like you were just saying, obviously he's still playing on the field, but the way that those young guys can gravitate towards him and see that he's done it is almost exactly what you're talking about. He just happens to still be in uniform.
SPEAKER_01First of all, why are we surprised? The Guardians have been doing this when they were the Indians. They were they have always, you know, have found a way now. They remind me of they remind me of of you know Tampa Bay. They remind me of you know Milwaukee's caught on. They've been doing it, they were the first ones doing it. You know what I'm saying? And then why are we surprised about Jose? Why? The guy has got the heart of a lion. Um, those players and that manager and that organization is very, very lucky that he's on the field because he's able to get guys to do what they need to. Do. Some leaders. There's another leader. There's a there's a leader in in New York. There's a leader in other places. I'm not so sure there's a leader of him, though.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You know what I mean? Some people just it's it's it's the way he's he's the guy. He's it's the way that he is, and they gravitate to him. And when he's not, when he doesn't play well, you can't tell. You can't see it on his face. He just it's it's all internable with the confidence that you know I'm walking home play. I know I'm not swinging the bell well, but I'm gonna hurt you this time. And then it happens. And then he hostels, and then he does all the different things. The Guardians are to me are also like Tampa Bay. They know it's gonna be tight. We're always in this situation every year. We know how to play under stress, and they're gonna be right there again.
SPEAKER_04Speaking of under stress, how about Sanchez putting his 44 and two-thirds scoreless inning streak on the line today? I mean, he's just been absolutely filthy. Absolutely filthy. And he's now, I think it's up to the eighth longest streak ever, but he's right there in the mix with all these other guys. That's that's I mean, in this day and age, I know, I know batting averages down and some of that stuff, but guys run into fastballs every or in the home runs every night. To have a scoreless inning streak like that's pretty impressive.
SPEAKER_01With all the video, just the video. And then the traject, too. You know, you go out there and you know, match them, and that's awesome, man. Yeah. Like, you know, listen, my job is to not like pitchers. That's that's how I made my living. You know what I mean? Like, I don't like him, but I respect him. Anyone that's got that type of command and and you know, you know, he's gotta be, he's using him from all sides of the place, throwing things for strikes. Um, let's see how far he can take it. But he's in total command out there. Let's see, we'll see what he can rack up.
SPEAKER_04What's crazy too is that like he's not even in the conversation for the side because there's so many beasts on that side.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. There's there's just too many. But listen, you know, maybe he can work himself into it. Yeah. You know, he was, you know, he keeps keeps doing, listen, you know, how long can a streak last? But he's just pitching. Bang, bang. Pitching. Yeah. Pitching, not throwing, not trying to throw your arm out. You know, as I told you, we all agree, the great pitchers, they know how to coast, and then they coast, and then they get a situation where they got to reach back, they have it. It's called pitching. John Smoles talks about it all the time. It's not throwing, it's pitching. Understand. Take off a little. Get there. Then when I need it, I reach back. And that same ball that you thought you were on, it's a foul ball. Strike. You understand what I'm saying? And that's what is great to see when you see someone doing that. You know they're pitching.
SPEAKER_04All right, let's talk about something that uh isn't as fun. This is stuff that we don't want to be talking about, but we're probably gonna be talking a lot about over the next year or so. And that was the first offer from ownership to the players' union: a salary cap, a hard salary cap, and a salary floor, and a little bit of a little bit of a shift in in how revenue sharing would work. Now, regional networks would be combined in with that revenue sharing, which I think is their first, you know, um uh admission, putting some in the middle. Hopefully the players will bite on it. But this feels so far away from what the union's gonna accept, Mo, that just even seeing it. I mean, we knew it was coming, but just seeing it just felt like, oh man, we might be in for a long ride here.
SPEAKER_01Sucks, bro. It really does. Um and I know what I I I I you know looking back, I'm thinking about the information, those owners are trying to create more value for their squad, for their teams. You see in in the NBA and the NFL, they're trying to copy that model of salary cap. So these values are are jumping. But I'm a non you know, I'm a non-member player. We're not gonna accept the salary cap. It's just it's just not gonna happen. And we're gonna get locked out. What's gonna happen? It's gonna be a lockout. And it's gonna be a long, long lockout, and we're gonna, and the only thing the only thing that the ownership will understand is when they start losing money in the playoffs. Yeah, it's it could be a whole year. Yep. And you know what's the worst about it is we love sitting here talking this game. This is a great game. It's a great season with a lot of great players, and a lot of great things happen. So many storylines. You know, you know, we're we're talking, we're trying to, we're trying to bring back the original school of baseball. And it's, you know, listen, it's great to debate back and forth about what's what. And it would be it would be a real shame. But I just think that's that's where we're going.
SPEAKER_04And what you know what's really sucks for them? There's two things here. One is look at how popular college baseball and the College World Series gotten. They are you are gonna leave all the meat on the table for them right now, because look how that's electric right now, everything that's happened in college baseball. Yeah. Oh, dude, the softball. Talk about Jason Williams' daughter. The walk-off, they hit her five times in two games, and then she just feels like, no, that's crazy.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god, and bang, you're like, Especially being a competitor at the highest level in your own career.
SPEAKER_01That's gotta be awesome. Um, but I I love watching, I love watching the girls play. They they play with some type of heart. And then, you know, the boys is you know, St. John's knocked off Florida State. UCLA got knocked off by St. Mary's. Like, you know, remember about the kid from Oklahoma, you know, hitting that bomb six dead center with his mom standing here sitting on TV. Stuff like that is just what it's all about. And it just, you know, the dollars and the financial part of the game is is really gonna set us back, I think.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and then the other part to that is not only are they seeding a lot of attention to college baseball, but this tells you how locked in or dug in the ownership's gonna be. I heard Tim Kirchin tell a story, and he even said he didn't believe it because nobody should believe this. But a an someone in an ownership group told him the only team making money right now is the LA Dodgers. And if they're already starting to push that narrative at this early in the stage, you know how that goes, Mo. That is gonna be their, they're gonna stick to that all the way through. And we may end up getting to a point, and I hope we don't get there, we may end up getting to a point where the government needs to step in and start threatening antitrust and making them open books before the ownership finally says, hey, you know what? Let's meet somewhere in the middle. Because I hope that's not the case, but from all accounts, it sounds like the ownership is more in sync than it's ever been before, and way more than back in 94-95 when they finally gave in because ownership was not all on the same page. It feels like they much more are now.
SPEAKER_01They're looking at the values of these other leagues teams and how they have have skyrocketed. And they're and what they're saying is that the salary cap proves it just shows the cash flow. And when you don't have it, it's an open, it's a closed book like it is right now. And when you do have it, you could, you could, you could, you could, you know, create, create value with it. And that's what they're looking at. Oh, yeah. They're looking at that. We're trying how do when I get ready to sell this thing, look at the value. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? And that's where they're going. And listen, they're going to use the players, will never look right in this. Ever. We're gonna always look like the guys that were making enough money. And, you know, how could we how could we sit out? You know, we should be happy. We're we're, you know, kids playing a grown man's game. We're gonna hear all that, all of that stuff. But they're making money too. They just need to show it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And that, you're right. This whole thing may come down to some antitrust and people driving information and driving the for you know to get information forced out. It's gonna be ugly, unfortunately. It is. Let's just hope it is not as ugly as everybody's predicted. I just hope it's not listen. The the the the value of of of any uh any organization is playoff baseball. Yep. Right? And that's when people really create a loss, especially if you have a team to be in it. And that's but that's that's the whole season, though, Will. That's the whole season. Yeah. So we may be in man. Sucks because the game is just rolling, rolling with such good players and things happening, but we may be in for that.
SPEAKER_04Sad state of affairs. Never a sad state of affairs here on MVP, though. This is a great episode. Look at that fast, baby. Look at it, it was a fast 30 minutes.
SPEAKER_01And you're right next to me, bro.
SPEAKER_04I know. It's gonna be like this more. It's like a little foreshadowing for the people out there. All right, hopefully when we walk out back outside, the sun shines out. How about that? If not, I'm still with it. At least it's not snowing. We'll talk to them next week, right? Next week. See you every more.