The Social Network - 2010

This movie did not win the Oscar for best picture, but should it have?  Is it a classic as some people say.  We unpack this dialog heavy movie.  

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:01

And we are live. Hey, Chris Weivel. What's going on? I am Johnny Cardinelli of A Century of Movies Podcast. And this is my co-host, Chris Wevel. What's going on, my brother?

SPEAKER_01 0:13

Not the man. How's everything? Just everything good?

SPEAKER_03 0:17

Busy as can be, man. I got into town two days ago. I fly out tonight.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

Oh, dang.

SPEAKER_03 0:24

Nonstop, brother. Non stop. For those of you don't know, I do stand-up comedy. I work a lot on cruise ships these days, and I am gone all the time. Uh, but it's nice to be home for this. So uh, what's going on with you, anyhow? What's going on? Yeah, Charlotte.

SPEAKER_01 0:38

Yeah, normal stuff. Getting ready for uh the heat to turn up here, it gets super humid. Um that southern humidity, still adjusting after almost three years. Still can't quite get used to it.

SPEAKER_03 0:49

Have you been in Charlotte for three years?

SPEAKER_01 0:51

Almost, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 0:52

God time flight. I was gonna ask just about to ask if this was your first summer there. That's how old I am.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

Yeah, no, it's yeah, no, it's uh I think this is my third summer. Um, and yeah, it never gets easier. From California, I the the two biggest adjustments the humidity and finding a good margarita. Can't do it anywhere.

SPEAKER_03 1:12

Yeah, that'd be well, yeah. Uh yeah, I mean, I'm heading, I'm flying to Miami and going to the Dominican Republic tonight, so I'll be there tomorrow. So I know all about the humidity, brother. Yeah, you do. Uh yeah, all right. So let's get into the so we went from our last month, we did network this month. That was my call, and then this month, your call, the social network. And there are some similarities in vibe and dialogue y stuff to these movies. Uh but what was your um history with this particular movie?

SPEAKER_01 1:45

Um, so I saw it once in the theater. Um, I'm a huge um David Fincher Aaron Sorkin fan. Uh, so this was kind of like the merging of two of those. Um, I remember I really liked it when I saw it in the theater, and then uh I know we're gonna get into it. Um, but it was cool to watch it again, especially 16 years later or something like that, especially after what Facebook has become and all these other things. So um it was very interesting to go back and be like, oh, okay, that's that's how it started. Okay, ish, of course.

SPEAKER_03 2:19

I I pretty much have a very similar story, except you know, I know Fincher and Sork, and I was never like, oh my god, I love these two guys, but only because I didn't know enough about what they did. When and looking it up, I'm looking up, I'm obviously a fan of their work. Uh, but I had the same exact experience, saw it in the theaters, loved it. Yeah, went not a movie I thought I'd probably ever watch again. All of a sudden I'm watching, oh my god, yeah. This movie, uh uh, I don't want to say predicting the future, kind of like we thought would network, but it but it did is you know it's prophetic. It my whole vibe of watching it was like the memories of when I was first signing up for Facebook and how this, you know, it seemed so innovative innocent, and oh hey, you know what I mean. I don't have to build as a comedian. It was like first there was my space because you know, because way back in the day, bro, when I you know, back when computers you first get your home, I was literally trying to teach myself HTML to build a little website, and it was just so you know, dumb looking, you know. But I actually built one, you know, uh, I think it was called homehomestead.com. You could build a free, but they're so junky like and then MySpace came out, and like, oh, you could make your own. You know, this is Dane Cook was the first guy to make MySpace famous. I remember that, yeah, as a comedian. But you could make a website that you didn't really have to make, you just plug stuff in, and then Facebook came out and even a better version. Just it was going back, hitting all these memories of watching this movie, going, My God, this wasn't that long ago.

SPEAKER_01 3:53

Yeah, and completely different. And I didn't even join, I've never been like a big social media guy, as you know, but I didn't even join Facebook till I started doing stand up because you could kind of advertise yourself that way. Um, you had to have it, yeah. You had to, yeah. Uh, that's how everybody wanted clips and links and everything else. So that's so it was also cool for me, very nostalgic, to be like, Oh my god, yeah, this started, you know, this is around the same time as all these other cool things in my life, too. So it was cool, it was a cool blast in the past.

SPEAKER_03 4:22

Yeah, this nostalgia really did hit. I some memories came back, and I'm like, Whoa, yeah, didn't expect, didn't expect that. It's just because you know, we were at the age where we're not as young as is the young kids coming up with this stuff, or you know, and I'm a little bit older than you, and it was like uh it was just weird because like the Zuckerberg age when all these people his age were creating all this stuff, you know, and and and changing the world, you know, and it was just I was a little bit older than than than you know, Zuck and stuff like that, and going, wow, it's like I wonder if I had been the same age, if I would have been more into you know, I felt like I lagged a little bit behind too, like, oh, I gotta get Facebook now. Other people got it, I better get one, you know. And I and I got one, I've only used it for comedy too. Uh, you know, obviously, obviously, you maybe is you run it, you you know, get in contact with friends from high school or way back when, but I'm not sure I just wonder myself if I would have ever had these kind of things if it wasn't for comedy. I've only ever used them for for for you know for my for as a comedian. I've never really created one just so hey, let's so I can meet you know friends from the past or something, you know.

SPEAKER_01 5:32

Yeah, yeah, I was the same way. It's always cool when you like somebody would hit you up and be like, Oh my god, I forgot all about that guy. Oh, it's so good to know this person's doing well and holy shit and this and that. But yeah, if it wasn't for stand up, I don't think I would have ever even thought about it, really.

SPEAKER_03 5:46

It's incredible. I I moved from Cleveland, Ohio to uh California when I was 10 years old. And through Facebook, and this wasn't even that long ago. This was maybe I honestly I think it might have happened during the pandemic. Through Facebook, I reconnected, I can't remember who found who, but I reconnected with the girl I had a crush on in fourth grade. I haven't seen her since fourth day graduation, and we and we we reconnected. I had like the biggest crush, my first crush of all time, and she told me she had a huge crush on me back then, too. And we chatted for a while, and it was like it was insane. It's funny because I was living back in Ohio for those two years during the pandemic. Yep, and uh she was like wanting to meet up, and I'm like, uh she was divorced, you know, and blah blah blah. I had a girlfriend at the time, but I was like, this is kind of weird, this was fourth grade, you know. So yeah, yeah, but but anyhow, the power of Facebook and you know and social media in general, and how these guys were just creating this whole world, it was just fascinating to me. So so again, I knew the names, but I can't I couldn't at that if you until like Wikipedia, I could not have named off stuff that they did. Well, what what when what made you a Fincher fan?

SPEAKER_01 7:01

Like what movies, I guess, are oh man, um like all of his early stuff. Uh, I've always been a fan of. Um I'm gonna bring up all of his movies because I've seen I mean I've seen a lot of them. Uh Fight Club, incredible, one of my all-time favorites.

SPEAKER_03 7:19

I was gonna say, you've been a huge fan of that movie for a long time, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

Yeah, yeah. Um, and then um just his style. Even he did a movie called Panic Room, which wasn't a great movie, but the directing was so incredible in it. Um, Zodiac, great, and then maybe uh maybe like the darkest like big mainstream US release movie seven, which is incredibly fucked up and not like a mainstream release, but it was also just so great. He's got such a unique style. Um that as soon as you can watch five seconds of it and be like, Oh, this is Fincher for sure.

SPEAKER_03 7:59

It's interesting because when when we were watching, when I started watching the social network this way this time, I immediately go, Man, I feel like I'm watching a music video, it just had that vibe. Turns out Fincher did a lot of music videos, Madonna, you know, Vogue and Express Yourself. I'm like, oh, so that guy comes from you know that kind of a bit of a background. There was just sort of that, I don't know, vibe. Of course, the music, my god, the soundtrack to this movie. Oh incredible. Yeah, it really was incredible. Uh, I'm looking at Fincher's uh, you know, the game. I've seen the game. I've seen that one too. Yeah, yep, so did I back in the day. I saw Panic Room, uh Zodiac, I saw that, did like it. I saw the girl with a dragon tattoo who starred.

SPEAKER_04 8:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:42

Uh Rooney Mara, who's in this movie. I saw a gone girl, yeah. I saw the I saw Benjamin Button. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 8:49

Uh yeah, uh yeah, a lot of this stuff. And he I he got uh I think his first movie was Alien 3, I believe.

SPEAKER_03 8:57

And future film debut, yep.

SPEAKER_01 8:59

Yep, and it was such a nightmare, I guess, for him from the studio and notes and all the and rewrite and all this other shit that he was like, I'm never gonna, I'm just gonna go back to doing videos, I'm never gonna make a movie ever again. And then the script for seven came by and he got a hold of it, and they were like, basically, like, we're gonna let you do it your way. And he was like, if you don't, like you know, like that's basically why he agreed to do it. Is he's like, I basically want final cut on this thing, and they were like, Yeah, take it. And that's the only reason he's still directing movies now.

SPEAKER_03 9:28

Oh wow, yeah, interesting. He's also an executive producer, or was on House of Cards, which is interesting because I noticed that Kevin Spacey was an executive executive producer on this movie.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

Yeah, yeah, that's tough.

SPEAKER_03 9:42

Yeah, it's just such a weird that he's in such a weird spot in life. Yeah, that his name is kind of gives you that spacey. Uh moving past that, uh, and then um Aaron Sorkin. Were you were you did you ever watch uh The West Wing?

SPEAKER_01 9:58

I watched some of it. Um, I like the newsroom a lot. The newsroom was really good. I I've only seen it once, it's been a while, but the newsroom was incredible. Um, and then um, of course, a few good men is just uh you know, just astounding. And um yeah, he's just I just he's another one that's also you can almost tell just from like the the pacing of the dialogue, even if you don't know, you can be like, this feels like Aaron Sorkin. There's there's such a great rhythm to it, you know, like and so it he's also got a really unique and cool style for sure. I think he's one of the best best screenwriters, you know, of the last 50 years, probably.

SPEAKER_03 10:39

Oh, I I I agree. And it's funny, I'm looking at his thing. I I didn't I I need to go back and just binge the West Wing, but for whatever reason I that just escaped me. But sports night I used to watch way back when. Yeah, that was a that was a very underrated show, very clever, cleverly written. Uh, of course, a few good men. Uh, yeah, no, speak it's funny that you say rhythm because I saw a little thing discussing Sorkin's writing style, and they said he writes very musically. And the guy even broke down how like literally how he used how many syllables he uses as opposed to as opposed to other reasons, other writers, and how his syllables, there's a total wave in the way he writes that that can all can almost be put to music. Uh it was very interesting. So you're spot on with that. He's and that the the and the the very opening scene, which we'll talk about, that's this kind of this that's the kind of scene that they were using to to show showcase how he how he does like that. So, I mean how he writes like that. And it it is is it's interesting. And then what and then rewatching that scene, you're like, Oh, yeah, there it is. I mean, you you heard the rhythm when you're watching it, but now you can see it literally uh taking place. Yeah, I mean, this is like a and then uh this is like a who's who of fantastic young actors, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 11:53

Yeah, well, real quick, one if you haven't seen Molly's game, uh very good. I'm not a lot of people saw it, I'm not sure why. Um, another just really cool, um, really well written uh movie that's uh that nobody really saw. So if you get a chance, I would check that one out.

SPEAKER_03 12:10

What what era would that have been?

SPEAKER_01 12:12

Like 2010 uh 2015, maybe okay.

SPEAKER_03 12:16

So so several years after this one.

SPEAKER_01 12:18

Oh, yeah, yeah. And I believe he directed that one as well. Um, it's really good though. It's a cool movie.

SPEAKER_03 12:24

Because I was reading that he was thinking about directing this one until Fincher came aboard. Because I was like, why doesn't he direct? If he writes like this, I'd just seem like the natural progression to just want to direct your own stuff, you know, when you're this powerful overwriter. But I guess if you're if you're you know, if you're collaborating with Fincher, that's you know well.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

I feel like, yeah, you can be like, Yeah, I really want to direct this one, and then David Fincher's like, so do I, and you're like, Oh, all right, yeah, you could probably just do it.

SPEAKER_03 12:49

Why don't you just do it? Like, okay. You know, yeah, and uh it's interesting because they Sorkin it was based on the the book The Accidental Billionaires, which was written mostly from Eduardo's point of view, who was who was the only guy he interviewed as far as the main players for that book, and he was interviewing while the lawsuit was going on, and then I believe Eduardo had to cut off all communication because of the signing non-disclosure agreements. Uh interesting. But but the the book the book was written from Eduardo's point of view, and um um and Aaron Sorketty said he read he read like three pages, and he goes, I want to do this movie, and then he started writing the screenplay just based on a few pages, yeah, not so you know, this is a very fictionalized, um, you know, showbiz uh stylized version of the real story, right? There's a there's a lot of you know who's right, who's wrong, what's the real truth inside of there. But you know, what it's it's showbiz, it's movies, you know. What are you gonna do? But uh just incredible. Three read like three pages of his book, he goes, Oh no, this is what I want to do. And uh yeah, and I guess he's not even like a Aaron Sorkin's not necessarily even a tech guy, he doesn't really like tech, but he even said this movie isn't about Facebook, it isn't about technology, it's about the people, friendships, that betrayal, you know, all that kind of stuff, which you know it's classic.

SPEAKER_01 14:15

Yeah, well, I remember an interview, and he was like, I had never heard of Facebook, I don't know anything about technology, I could barely send an email, blah, blah, blah. And I read the beginning of this book, and I was like, Oh, this is Shakespeare. Like these are all the elements of classic Shakespeare. Yeah, like you said, betrayal, friendship, backstabbing, all these other things. And he was like, I yeah, I'm immediately in. Um, but which is incredible to get hired to write a movie about something you've never even heard of, you don't know anything about, you know, like it's pretty, pretty daunting task, I would imagine.

SPEAKER_03 14:45

Interesting that that he said that because we just reviewed Network, and what did what did Warren uh not Warren Beatty? What's the other guy's net Ned Beatty? What did he say about his speech? He goes, This is Shakespeare. I'm literally that's Patty Jaevsky's, you know.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

Right, and the reason I wanted to do this one because I was gonna do something else, is because Aaron Sorkin mentioned Patty in his Oscar speech for winning for this movie.

SPEAKER_03 15:10

Oh, did he really?

SPEAKER_01 15:11

Yeah, that's why I wanted to do network because uh or social network because it kind of like would just tie together.

SPEAKER_03 15:16

Yeah, and he and literally I'm watching this going, I it's really cool to watch the two of these sort of back to back, right? Because you're going, oh my god, you you can see the influence, you can see he's the heir apparent to this witty reparte dialogue. Some of it goes by you so quick. Yeah, I ended up watching it with subtitles because I'm what am I missing here? You know, and you're not meant to get it all, at least not in one viewing.

SPEAKER_01 15:39

I don't think you can.

SPEAKER_03 15:40

It's just exactly, it just zooms by you. And so there came a point where I go, when I was watching it this time, going, wait a second, do I stop and and and and read every line, or I do I just sort of get what he's what he's trying to say? And I just watch it the second way. I go, I go, let me, I don't want to analyze every word. Let me just if I have to go back, I will, but I I gotta get the whole thing. And then Sorkin said, he goes, um the first scene of every movie is supposed to tell you how you're supposed to watch the movie. And uh and and so that's why he's all you know, he create basically we have uh Zuckerberg's character completely created right there in the first five minutes.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

Oh, everything you need to know about him, boom, right away.

SPEAKER_03 16:24

How he is it just in a conversation with his soon-to-be ex-girlfriend. Oh, it's brilliant. We'll we'll get on to the first scene, but it's absolutely brilliant. Uh just Jesse Eisenberg, what'd you think?

SPEAKER_01 16:35

I didn't I remember when this came out. I don't think I knew anything about him really. Um, when this came out. I I may have seen him in one or two things. Um what did I think of him in this role? I I thought he was outstanding. I I really did. I thought he was just embodied, and obviously I don't know Zuckerberg, but uh he was I found him to be so believable in like this like textured kind of like I'm an asshole, but I'm like super vulnerable. Um, I I thought he was incredible, I thought it was a really great performance.

SPEAKER_03 17:08

Yeah, I mean, I think you by the way, this did this movie did not win the Oscar for Best Picture. Do you know which movie did that year?

SPEAKER_01 17:15

Yeah, The King's Speech, I believe.

SPEAKER_03 17:17

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 17:18

Yeah, just another all-time whiff by the Oscars.

SPEAKER_03 17:22

100%, man. It was a fun little movie, it's one that I'll never go back and need to see again. It was you know, uh, but yeah, but I thought Jesse Eisenberg, I almost thought he was so good, and I I'm not the only one who thinks this, by the way, but he was so good that it's almost like you can't separate him from this role for the rest of his career, kind of a thing. He you're almost like you're Zuckerberg.

SPEAKER_01 17:48

Yeah, exactly. That's so funny too, because I was watching this and I I was like, Holy shit, I forgot how good this dude is in this movie. Where the hell has he been? He should have had he should be one of the biggest movie stars, and I wonder if that had something to do with it. I haven't looked him up, I don't know what he's done lately. I think he's doing comic book movies or something. I don't know. I haven't seen much out of him lately, but he's he just so good, so so good.

SPEAKER_03 18:13

Yeah, I read a little bit. He he's he seems like an interesting guy, person. Uh first of all, he's not a social media guy at all. He's he doesn't have any he doesn't have any social media. He uh he said that he goes, they asked him, they go, Did you you know get on to Facebook and to research for this role? He goes, I got on for about 20 minutes, that's it. And I just just just which is almost kind of like I mean Zuckerberg was a which makes him kind of like um almost Zuckerberg X. Although Zuckerberg was great at coding and all that stuff, he was socially kind of awkward in real life, but he was able to create this world on computers, you know. So Isenberg was he was just a perfect fit. He was, like you said, so believable. Uh, you know, his his role was you know, he the way they portrayed him, Zuckerberg, it could have been so hateable, but because he humanized it to some degree, even though it didn't seem like he had a whole lot of redeeming qualities till maybe the last scene, you still you still did sort of empathize with this lonely guy, this lonely rich guy sitting on top of the hill, it seemed like, you know, who's like so desperate to just be like accepted and just be liked.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

And it's like, you know what I mean? Like, so like he's so unlikable, but you're you still feel so bad for him at times, which is incredible. Like, it's just great writing and great acting for sure.

SPEAKER_03 19:33

Yeah, it's like in the very first scene, which again we'll get to, he says, you know, how do you separate yourself from a bunch of guys who got 1600 on their SATs? And that's seems to be his MO in life. How do I separate myself? How do I become, you know, but yeah, but and and I'm watching this going, imagine that actually being all these guys come together, all going to Harvard, and they're all geniuses from their little walk of life, and now they're together competing against each other, you know. That has to be like such an interesting world, all these geniuses, you know. Well, you know, a lot of people probably came from money and all that kind of stuff. These guys all did. Speaking of which, Andrew Garfield.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

Yep. What'd you think? Um I also thought he did really well. Again, I didn't know much about him. I know he went on to do uh Spider-Man and all this other stuff. Um, I saw something where he um actually auditioned for Zuckerberg. And yeah, and um obvious obviously we know how that went, but um Fincher thought he was too um likable. He thought he was too nice, but he loved his performance and obviously cast him as uh Eduardo. Um, but I thought he did a really good job too. Um, I I think Isenberg ran away with it personally, but um, yeah, I thought he was good.

SPEAKER_03 20:48

Yeah, uh I this was like I think maybe like his third thing he ever did. Yeah um I don't think he would have worked as Zuck just because he doesn't look anything like Zuck. Eisenberg is like a Hollywood better looking version of Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and Garfield honestly is like a Hollywood better looking version of Eduardo, but has a similar hair color, you know, whatever, blah blah blah. Right. I thought I thought Arnj Garfield was phenomenal. I thought I thought it should have been nominated and probably should have. I thought both these guys should have won Oscars for their performances. I thought they were both just that good. Um, not overplaying, you know, playing it very real. There's a couple scenes moments in the movie we'll talk about that were a little I don't want to say corny, that's because it's not a corny movie, but we're a little more like okay, you're making a movie. This is a movie moment that didn't didn't really ring as true, but it has nothing to do with the actors, it's just the way it was designed. That I the couple moments that I just thought were unintentionally funny for me at least. But I thought he was phenomenal. And and what about uh Timberlake?

SPEAKER_01 21:55

Tim dude, Timberlake. Um I thought he was good. In the role for sure. He he I thought he actually did a pretty good job. Um, it's hard to say because we like obviously we don't know who the real guy was, like, we have no basis for who that person was. Um, but I thought he was pretty good. Um, like he definitely felt the most movie star out of all of them, um, the most suave. But I I thought he did well. Not as good as the other two, but good performance, I thought.

SPEAKER_03 22:25

Which I honestly think you just nailed it though. I think that's why he was perfect, perfect for cast, because he was the superstar of the three of those guys. In real life, though, he was. Those guys were the up and covered coders. He was the guy that already sort of made it. He was showbiz. They were they were wowed by him. At least Zuckerberg was. Eduardo kind of saw through him. But uh, and I and I thought I thought he was just a perfectly cast part. I'm not saying is that his acting was so off the charts, you're like, oh my god, but he wasn't asked to do a lot. There wasn't a whole lot of art for most of these characters, but but like you said, the presence, uh, because you know, at the time Sean Parker was the rock star of those guys, and Timberlake, you know, was the rock star of these guys. So I thought I thought it was I just thought the casting, and then I hate to say it, but we have to get to Army Hammer oh boy playing twins.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

Yeah, um, which I completely forgot all about that. And um, and I I did I looked into it and uh saw a couple of different things. Um why why they did it that way, I was unable to find, but it was originally two guys, and uh, and then they just digitally imposed him over a guest model or something, and then it was both of them playing the same role. And I also forgot how crazy cutting edge that was back then. Like uh the articles I found was like there was blew everybody's mind that they could do that, and now it's like ah, yeah, we do that all the time now.

SPEAKER_03 23:56

So yeah, I remember when I watched it the first time, I I thought it was two guys. I'm like, I'm like, wow, those twins look exactly alike. There's it's like what? I and then yeah, I it was two guys. I when they first when it first started this time, plus because I already knew this that it was digital, I was like, I kind of would have just rather seen two twins where I could notice that that they were two different people. It's I know they kept giving them different haircuts, so you know they didn't look like uh but the vo the voice the voice was exactly the same, and you know, it took me out for about a minute, and then I just for completely forgot about but but but they uh fincher was is huge on technology, he's a he's like he's you know he's one of those guys, and so I think that was a big impetus. Now, do you remember the scene where the where the the girl the guy the girls and where Zuck and um and Eduardo were banging the chicks in the bathroom at the club?

SPEAKER_01 24:58

I know exactly what you were gonna say. Yeah, I saw this too. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:02

So you know the guy when they were standing outside, the guy who came up to him, hey, they're like, Hey, the girls are in there. You know that's the other guy, right?

SPEAKER_01 25:08

Yeah, yeah. So they gave him that role, like that little part, and it's like so we can have a little bit of FaceTime.

SPEAKER_03 25:15

So that's the act, that's the actual guy who played the other Winkle boss. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting little thing there. Uh the rest the rest of the characters I thought were all just super well cast. Oh, yeah. Uh right down the line. Uh, and we can get to them, some of them more later. So let's let it be not, yeah. And oh, and this, like I said, dude, the soundtrack, which I believe won the Oscar for best original score. Yeah, okay. Yeah, all right. Just just just amazing. Just a lot of things, a lot of things were just so perfectly all together on this movie to make one the sum. The the literally the a bunch of parts, they were all phenomenal, created a sum that I think is even bigger than all the parts because it worked out perfectly together. So let's just get into the movie itself. Yeah, all right. The incident. Let's let's talk about the inciting incident. That's this is act one, dumped by his girlfriend Erica Albright. A bitter mark hacks into Harvard Dorm Systems and creates a crude rating site called Face Mash, crashing the university network. Now, let's back up a little bit. Let's talk about that first scene, which was the incident at the restaurant. Brilliant.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

It's incredible. I mean, it's just like I I remember watching it in the theater and being like, Did I miss something? Like, no movie, I've never seen a movie really start like that, where it's just two people like pop, bop, bop, bop, pop for like, what is it, eight, ten minutes long of just two people talking? And the like, I remember the first time being like, Did they miss an opening sequence or anything? Like, you're just boom, right in right in there, and immediately just trying to keep up like with what's going on. I mean, you're just like, you know, she says there's so much great dialogue in that scene and throughout the movie, obviously. But she's like dating you was like dating a stairmaster, and I've got a straight line, yeah, it's incredible. Yeah, and I felt like I was on a stairmaster trying to watch that scene, you know. It was just like it was so like holy shit, we're we're just up and running right now. Um, it's it's so good. I've watched that one like three times.

SPEAKER_03 27:23

Yeah, uh again, Fincher Sorkin, that's exactly what they wanted. They wanted us to be keeping up while she's trying to keep up while everybody's trying to keep up with this fucking guy, you know what I mean? Yeah, and right off the bat, I will say, and there's hard to talk anything negative about this movie, yeah. But but when I'm watching that scene, I'm going, no way, no way is this gorgeous, intelligent girl dating this asswipe. Yeah, I mean, no way. I know, I know that I I you know, I I just that's the other the one thing I will say about this movie is every it's like a Hollywood eyes version of everything that happened. Everybody is better looking than they are in real life. Wow, there every single person in this movie is great looking. It's just like okay, guys, but anyhow, I'm watching this movie, I'm watching that first scene. That's the first thing I'm like, why is she even with this this dumbass? You know, uh like like just insulting prick of a guy.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

Oh, so many, so he says so many things that suck in the opening scene. We're like, Jesus, dude, like, oh my god, like he's just uh yeah. Um, and then but then she breaks up with him, obviously, and has maybe the arguably the best line of the entire sequence at the end when she's like, Um, you know, you're gonna go through your whole life thinking women don't like you because you're a nerd, but I want you to know from the bottom of my heart it's because you're an asshole, yeah. And then just walk off, and it's just like there you go.

SPEAKER_03 28:54

Yeah, and it was uh interesting because again, when I was watching too, I'm going, man, 60% of this going right past over my head. Like I can't hear what I can't, I don't know what he's saying. What is it? Uh you know, uh he's just spewing out all these this these weird facts. There's there's more geniuses in China than there's American their population in America, which is not true, by the way. But it sure seemed like it when he said it's true, yeah. Um, but uh the whole thing about the rowing, that that that cuts him to what he's not, he's not a big athlete guy, you know. Yeah, so so his his uh defense mechanism is to just tear people down to bring himself up, yeah. Uh and and put people down. And you know, that's a that that's a defense mechanism that everybody in the world uses, you know. It's just it was just interesting to see him. They're they're establishing who he is right off the bat. This is who this guy is, yeah. Uh and just putting people down, trying to keep them below him so he can be uh, you know, and and insulting her is the only way he could do it because she she got him. She, you know, yeah, the the rowing thing, and then she says that he was she was sleeping with another guy, and just like just a a little bitch is what he was to be honest with him. I I I honestly thought she should have just threw a drink in his face and stormed off. I was waiting for it. Yeah, I I I honestly thought that would have been more realistic than just like I'm breaking up with you. You're you're breaking up with me. What you know? Uh I I I you know, again, that it's a movie choices, but I I would have loved to have seen a little bit more of a storming off moment, yeah. Where where it dawns on him that he actually fuck, I really fucked up this time, you know.

SPEAKER_01 30:40

Yeah, but it wouldn't that he wouldn't have had that moment, you know. Like he I don't know, aware enough to to do that.

SPEAKER_03 30:45

But um keep in mind he did run home and immediately get on, blah blah blah blah blah. But then again, had they had she thrown the drink, uh he he might, you know, then people probably then he probably would have been justified in maybe getting mean this way here. This was probably a bet they in other words, they shot it properly because this makes him seem like a more of a douchebag.

SPEAKER_01 31:07

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then she's like, What's the easiest finals club to get into? And it just sets him off. Like, I mean, like a simple question, and she's like, No, I just asked you because that's the common sense, like that. What's the easiest one? You know, and he just just keeps getting angrier and angrier, and it's just like, holy shit, baby.

SPEAKER_03 31:25

Well, remember, he corrects her final club, not finals club, finals club, yeah. Yeah, yeah, and then you know, he mentions all the ones that he wants to get into. He wants to be someone, he doesn't know how to do it at this point in his life. Yeah, because you know, yeah, he's he's he's a nerd at this point. There's he's done nothing. Although I I I did look back and stuff. This dude was like creating like computer stuff when he was 11, 12. Yeah, like like he was a genius, like early on. His parents were like, I believe a dentist and a psychic psychiatrist. He created something when he was like 12 years old called Zuck Net.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

I heard something about this.

SPEAKER_03 32:03

I saw something like apparently there's a way for the computers, his home, his family's home computers to come to communicate with the computers at their work. Like this guy was off the charts, man.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

Yeah, Jesus Christ. Yeah. Um, and then he has another all-time doucheline where he's like, You like you don't need to go study, and he keeps saying it, and she's like, Why do you keep saying that? And he goes, 'Cause you go to BU.

SPEAKER_03 32:27

I know, dude. Oh, it's such a such a dick move, you know. And again, that's why I'm going, why is this gorgeous girl dating him? What is she seeing him?

SPEAKER_01 32:39

Yeah. And who knows how long they had been together. In my head, this was maybe his third date, but it obviously was probably longer than that.

SPEAKER_03 32:47

But uh, yeah, I think I think it was sort of established that they were dating.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Crazy.

SPEAKER_03 32:54

That's the other thing that doesn't ring that that doesn't ring, I think, completely. This is you know, again, uh a showbiz version of the story, but you know, Zuckerberg in real life met his girlfriend, I believe, in sophomore year college, and they're the ones they're married now. So right, yep. Um, so this is gonna, you know, stylized version, blah blah blah blah blah. But I I I I thought she was perfect casting, Rooney Mara, um, who's married now to Joaquin Phoenix, by the way. Oh yeah, and I I I thought I thought she was great, and it's funny because the first thing I saw her in was uh what was the the dragon tattoo? Yeah, I forget the name of it, and I'm like this is because she had all the face piercings and stuff in that. I'm like, this is the same person, yeah. So much different. I I couldn't believe it when I look back. I was like, wow, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:47

Uh yeah, this is another one I had never heard of her either, um, before this one. And uh yeah, she's she's great. I think and she's barely in it, but very memorable.

SPEAKER_03 33:56

Very absolutely, yeah, yeah, absolutely. She's she's she sort of the the beginning and you know the end kind of you know, kind of uh plays plays a great you know, minor role, but really important role. Fantastic. Uh oh, the another thing I was gonna say about this scene, it's you hear them talking and there's a lot of chatter in the place. Yeah, and generally in movies and stuff, the the extras are they sort of just lip their lip service, they don't really talk so you can hear that the mains, yeah. And then that they'll they'll add in you know the um ambient dialogue, whatever. But he told the extras no talk. He goes, I want this to be just like it actually would. And there's a there's a lot of scenes, the ones in the club with Justin Timmer, where they're talking loud to each other in a club just like you actually would.

SPEAKER_01 34:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The club scene, especially. Like, I'm watching, I had to like turn it up and be like, wait, like you know what, like who does that?

SPEAKER_03 34:50

You know, like yeah, they're they're they're yelling, having conversation, just like we do, just like everybody does. Yeah, you know, which I thought was really which I thought was really cool. So so basically they the this first scene just sets the tone, man. And the one thing I will say that uh even Zuckerberg said about this movie, they said they nailed his wardrobe. He goes, That's exactly how I dress your act, yeah, yeah, yeah. The flip-flops and the hoodies, like this guy, got rules, yeah. They made a real thing about the flip-flops when they pan down to his feet at the you know, uh interesting.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

I'm a big flip-flop guy, so I love that.

SPEAKER_03 35:25

Absolutely. Okay, we're still in act one. So he go, he runs home and he hacks in and he starts just coding while drinking, yeah. And you're like, you know, roommates are all going. I'm just picturing this guy because you know, you know, we it was bringing me back to my cloud college days, and and and I'm like, this guy is he's just a normal college kid, is obviously insanely intelligent, but he's in his little. I was picturing myself in that world. Imagine being in that world. I know it wasn't shot on Harvard. They don't Harvard doesn't allow movies to be shot there because Love Story 1970 shot that shot there, and some trees got ruined, so they don't let anybody shoot there anymore. But I'm but still, you feel like you're in that whole East Coast privileged college environment going, God, what a what a what an interesting little world to be involved in. All these geniuses, mostly probably from rich families, and you're and going, what a world just to be involved in.

SPEAKER_01 36:23

Uh I mean, I wish one of my buddies went there. All my friends are idiots, though. But I if I had a friend that went to Harvard, I mean, it would be fun just to go for a weekend and just go to these Harvard like Harvard parties and just hang and just the people would be like, What the fuck?

SPEAKER_03 36:39

Like, yeah. I mean, they even they even the way they dress, everything's just just I don't know, just rich. There's just everything just looked everybody just looked rich. Yeah, and all the you know, the parties were you know, obviously it's stylized, Hollywood, everybody's great looking. But I'm like, like you, I was like, just to be just to sit in the corner and observe this world of these super rich, super smart, privileged people and how they all interact with each other.

SPEAKER_01 37:03

And these secret societies, the final club, and like all this weird, like oh geez, the Phoenix and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 37:09

Yeah, it's it's just like a world that very few people will ever know. Uh so he goes in, he starts you know, hacking into the system and uh makes the crude website face mash. Now, I honestly don't know if this is real time or movie time, but I did look up to it. He did create this face mash where you compare, and I guess within four hours they had like four or five hundred people already on it.

SPEAKER_02 37:34

Yeah, just incredible.

SPEAKER_03 37:36

And I'm like, really? Yeah, because you know, in the movie, it's like almost immediate, you know. The girlfriend's at home, and the guys are knocking out with the brain because he had blogged about it, you know. Which there's there's no way that happened. Like, hey, let's go bring a bra to her place, you know. This nice girl. It's like okay, take it, take it easy, short, right? It's just it's back off, bro. Yes, that's that's not actually going to happen in real life. Yeah, immediately let's get a bra and run over there.

SPEAKER_01 38:05

Yeah, where'd you get the bra, dude?

SPEAKER_03 38:07

Exactly. What was the point to put this nice girl down? Yeah, I it was one of those scenes where, like, okay, unnecessary, but I get it.

SPEAKER_02 38:18

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:19

But uh, but it also I I think at that moment, um, I'm I'm talking about the real Zuckerberg. He creates this thing, he creates this thing because he's kind of drunk and he's kind of pissed, and then all of a sudden 400 people bing. That had to be that had to be like, uh, oh, I'm on to something here. And that's when that that's when all the things start are happening in a brilliant mind like his. Yeah. Um, and we'll come to find later that he was brilliant at certain things, but it took other people to sort of help him expand. Everybody's everybody's got their specific, like I guess, skill or or what they're great at. And he was great at creating all this stuff, and it took other people to get him where he eventually went, which we'll find out. But but I I I just think at that moment there, I'm I'm just picturing this guy creating this thing because he's pissed, and all of a sudden, people are responding. That had to be like, What? Yeah, because we're used to that now because you know, we post a picture, we get we post a joke or whatever. Anyone posts something online? How many likes? Did you get any comments? This is all new back then, yeah. To to go that and and see other people you don't even know like responding.

SPEAKER_02 39:25

Yeah, jumping in.

SPEAKER_03 39:27

Yeah, that had to be kind of fascinating, just fascinating. Yeah, uh, yeah. So, okay, so then we go to the pivot. This is act one still. Act one is the catalyst and the concept. The pivot, the stunt catches the attention of Harvard upperclassmen, Cameron and Tyler Winkelvoss and Diviya Narendra, who pitched Mark on an exclusive social network for Harvard elites called Harvard Connection. Now, this is all from what I understand 100% true. This is this part of the story. Uh, and this is where the gray area starts, is for me at least, as far as who's right, who's wrong, and all this kind of crap.

SPEAKER_02 40:08

Right.

SPEAKER_03 40:08

So the Winkle Voss guys, uh, very rich family. They came, they come from obviously Harvard people.

SPEAKER_02 40:16

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:17

And they had that. Do you do you remember when you signed up for Facebook? You had to have a college ID. Do you happen to remember that at all?

SPEAKER_01 40:24

No, I was way after.

SPEAKER_03 40:27

Yeah, so was I. But I felt like I felt like initially when I heard about Facebook, like you have to have a college ID to sign up for that. That's when I first heard about. Well, I'm like, well, that ain't for me then. Yeah, I go, and I go, I wonder if I could go get my old college email and and sign up because there came a point where I was just fascinated. And then by that time, they opened it up to everybody. But I remember when I first heard about you had to have an edu uh kind of um email.

SPEAKER_02 40:52

Interesting, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:54

Kind of the kind of way back when. So these guys, they have you know, which is a good idea, they want they wanted like the social network for everybody in Harvard, the Harvard connection. Because you know, let's be honest, it even shows in the mood. These guys were Harvard guys, they they they loved everything about being Harvard, what you know, they're we our status as people, we are class individuals, we you know, and they're just Harvard through and through. And I and honestly, their idea wasn't a bad one.

SPEAKER_01 41:23

Yeah, yeah. Uh it's odd like to just do it just Harvard, uh, but I mean, I think oh, I think that's why though, because they they're they're but they're nobody else belongs on our website.

SPEAKER_03 41:37

We are Harvard, you know. I don't, you know, yeah, no, I get it.

SPEAKER_01 41:41

Like at the like, I I can understand why it's cool, but I guess looking back from how big Facebook is now, like, why would you ever limit it in any way? Which obviously they weren't thinking it was gonna ever be that big.

SPEAKER_03 41:52

That's what I'm saying. I I think they really thought it was a cool Harvard idea. I don't think they were thinking this is gonna turn into something monstrous, or or was this like their genius plan to get rich? First of all, they were already rich. I just think that they that you know they were, like I said, Harvard guys through and through. They're they're Olympiads. I mean, they're they're they're already set so yeah in life. Um, but they come to him now. I I was gonna talk about this later, might as well just talk about this right now. So if you look at this moment where the Winklevoss, they they hear about they see the face mash. They they know this kid's got something that they don't have, yeah. Which he knows how to put this all together and make it happen.

SPEAKER_02 42:32

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 42:33

So they go, you know, connect with him and they they bring him to that that place where he couldn't get in. He we'll we'll bring you to the pool table, remember? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The how the exclusive house, I forget the name of it right now, but they're showing there, hey, this is what we can offer you, and he's like, you know, I'm in, right? And then so this is sort of the where it all goes. This is where I think um Zuckerberg's mind starts expanding as to what this could be. Yeah, first of all, he's starting to get a little popular because people know who he is. Uh, but also the fact that these two big shots want part of this, he's probably going, there's a reason for this.

SPEAKER_01 43:17

And then also, you know, like I like that's what he wants to be, like this upper echelon. You know, he wants to be friends with these guys. Yep. So I I think I don't know that he got the concept right then, but I think he was in the room that he wanted to be in with the guys he wanted to be in, and he was like, Yeah, I'm in, I'll figure out the rest. And then he starts to kind of piece together, like, oh, this is actually a pretty cool idea.

SPEAKER_03 43:39

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't know that that's the complete idea, but I think this is when he realized I'm onto something.

SPEAKER_02 43:44

Right.

SPEAKER_03 43:44

If these guys want to be part with me, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh to me, looking back now, the Winkovoss, you probably know you've written a bunch of screenplays, and you know, out here out here in LA, I've talked to a lot of people go, Hey man, I got a great idea for a screenplay. I'm on. Well, why don't you write it? He goes, No, I don't write them. I just come up with the ideas. I've had people say that. Have you ever met anybody like that?

SPEAKER_01 44:05

Oh, so many. And then every time you hear the idea, you're like, that's yeah, no.

SPEAKER_03 44:10

But not only that, though, it's like, okay, you woke up one morning and had an idea. It took you five minutes, but you've never sat down to you don't want to do the work, is what you don't want to do. Which is learning learning how to just write one. But anyhow, that's to me, that's what the Winkel Voss were to mark. They're like, hey man, we got we get this idea, do it. You know what I mean? We hey, we did the idea. Now you do all this, and we'll call it even. And so initially, uh, you know, that's kind of as I go back now, that's kind of what it feels like to me. Uh and um and then, of course, it that was just the the springboard into what would become much bigger stuff. And then this is still an act one. Let's go to uh the betrayal. Instead of building their sart, Mark uses their idea and teams up with his best friend Eduardo to launch the Facebook. Now, this is when I at least according to the movie, you know, he's not returning our emails. He's hey, I'm he's he's this is when it seems to me like Zuckerberg I again, we weren't there, who knows? But this is where it gets shady. Oh yeah, putting people off, put if you want to go, guys, I'm out.

SPEAKER_02 45:25

Right.

SPEAKER_03 45:26

I've come up with my own idea, I'm not using your coding, but goodbye. Then do that. But to to keep these guys hanging on, hanging out, that's where I think they had a right, and and and were that's why I'm glad they got paid eventually.

SPEAKER_01 45:40

Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. It's it was sketchy, like all these weird excuses. I've been coding for 30 hours, I gotta sleep, like you know what I mean. Yeah, they they had every right to be like this is fucked up for sure.

SPEAKER_03 45:53

Yeah, there's something wrong, and you know, there's uh they've re they've released I saw some uh actual texts that went on back then, actually not from the movie, the actual text from Mark Zuckerberg, and he was kind of a dick, man. Oh I believe it. Yeah, I mean, who knows? We're all talking. I'm not sure any of these people are saints, they're all billionaires, so you know, nobody trying tears for any of them. But like Zuck was a cold calculated fuck, man. He was he he knew he he knew certain things and and he kept it to himself and didn't let anybody in, and that's eventually, of course, what happened. But uh, but this is where the start of the evil Zuck, in my opinion, happened right here. When when he's got all of a sudden, there's more than just him coding at home with drinking a beer. This is like other people are involved now, and now he's protecting, now he's getting insular, and you know, if you even if you even watch the movie, and I went back and looked at these scenes. Eduardo, I think, was a genuine friend. Yep, you know, like him. I think Zuckerberg, every every almost there's a bunch of different scenes where Zuckerberg, Jesse Eisenberg, the word need. I need money from this. Hey, I need you to do this. Hey, I need it's like he needs, yeah. We're not friends, bro. I need this from you, I need this from you. We need to get this to make this happen. It's just, and I'm I'm not even blaming him. This is just the way this dude's mind works. Yeah, he's almost he's almost like a robot for success. Yeah, he's gonna he's gonna get success. I don't know if he'll ever be happy, but he was built and driven to be successful. That's how I see Mark Zuckerberg, just driven for success, yeah, and that's exactly what he got.

SPEAKER_01 47:40

Oh, big time. And like, and a great example of that too is like he's obviously got the jealousy thing when Eduardo gets starts getting invited to the the final club or whatever. Phoenix, yep. Phoenix Club, and then he's like, uh, we need to expand. I need your email list from the Phoenix Club. Like he's you know what I mean. But he knows that that's gonna hurt Eduardo's chances to get in. Your Eduardo even says, I don't think they're gonna like me spamming these guys, and he basically is like, Well, that's what I need, and like he like uses it against him, so he's like very, very devious, and who knows if that happened really, but um I I wouldn't put it past them for sure.

SPEAKER_03 48:18

Yep, calculated, you know. And and even when he he goes, Hey man, I got to round two, he goes, Well, don't feel bad if you don't make it past this. Just never just like, hey man, congratulations, bro. That's great. Yeah, I I know people like that who are not, you know. Where I'm out here and you're you've been in Hollywood, I live in Hollywood. There's there's a lot of people out here that are not happy, especially in the stand-up comedy world, to see to be see other people's success. Oh, yeah. Uh at all. And it's uh it's maybe in other, I'm sure it's just in other businesses too. This is just all I happen to know it's out here. But uh, but there's just so many people that just cannot ex it just drives them mad to see other people happy and successful getting something that they don't have. Just enjoy where you are, enjoy your lane. Yeah, exactly. Hey, yeah, there's plenty for everybody. But yeah, but if you go back and look again and watch, the signs are there early that Zuckerberg was not like a great friend to Eduardo, at least present, at least presented in the movie. He he it is all about I need, I need, I need, and and you are here to to help accommodate that, or I don't need you anymore, which is pretty much what happened down the way.

SPEAKER_02 49:28

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 49:29

So again, these scenes are so phenomenal. And by the way, we didn't even talk about the structure of the movie. The first you remember the first uh scene that you were you were talking about. How long did ago? It went up for just over five minutes of non-stop dialogue. It would generally they you were your screenwriter, they say um one page of dialogue is one minute of movie time. Yep. The first scene was over nine pages of nine pages, and they cramped crammed it into five minutes, and it was all dialogue, no action, no moving, no nothing. Two people at a table sitting, talking, nine pages of dialogue to open a movie.

SPEAKER_01 50:08

It was crazy, and I don't know if you saw this, but I heard um Fincher uh sat down with a stopwatch and was like with the two of them and was like, This scene needs to be like whatever, five minutes and 15 seconds. So you just rehearse it until it is, and was like, figure it out. Like if you think you're going too fast, you're not going fast enough, and just sat there and just made them do it. They did 99 takes of it.

SPEAKER_03 50:30

Just gonna say, did you hear how many takes they did that scene? Unfucking believable. You imagine that scene, 99 takes.

SPEAKER_01 50:40

Hopefully, that was the last scene of the movie they shot because everybody needed a vacation after that for sure.

SPEAKER_03 50:45

And and I believe it was minimum three weeks of rehearsal before they even shot this movie. So, I mean, it was it was pretty well rehearsed, yeah. But but you know, when what like you said, like we talked about, man, this that scene sets the tone for the whole movie. So he wanted to get it right, and I'll be Dan if he didn't get it right. Um, so okay, so now we're on to act two. The rise in the rift, so the expansion. The network expands to other Ivy League schools. The Winklevoss twins attempt to stop him through university disciplinary board, but Mark ignores them. So we've already kind of talked about how he was ignoring them, but now the Winklevoss are trying to like we got to do so cease and desist, we gotta do something about this guy. Yeah, I I don't want to what I was gonna try to say was what did you think of the structure? Because we're also we're in that thing, and all of a sudden we just without telling us that we're now skipping to the to the lawsuit, now we're they're just sitting at a table, yeah. And it takes us a while to even realize oh, this is in deposition, this is forward now.

SPEAKER_01 51:46

This is not right, and then back and forth the whole movie. But like just like trying to like conceptualize how you would like I would imagine you wrote them separately and then find a way to like interweave it, but just how you can trust the audience to be like, oh no, they'll just figure they'll they'll pick it up that this is in the future, and like to be able to tie it like so seamlessly, it like like this is where this is rooted, and then jump to the future and then jump back and and move around and have it flow just seamlessly is just it's it's just mind-blowing, really is the editing was just superior.

SPEAKER_03 52:22

I I formona, I read somewhere that Fincher initially wanted to make this mostly a courtroom drama, not have all the other stuff because you know it's courtroom drama, a few good men. He's great at that stuff. You can be very, you can very be dialogue y in courtroom dramas, that's how they are. But they eventually obviously did this back and forth to her, and again, like you said, seamless. Once once it took me a couple times to go, oh, wait a second, this is now the depositions, this is the court, right? First of all, wait, why wait? Are they in front of the school board now? What happened?

SPEAKER_01 52:53

Yeah, um, and then going to your point about how the Winkle Boss twins are men of Harvard, that I found that so infuriating that the one they're such like Harvard elitists that the one was like, Oh, we're men of Harvard, we don't sue, we don't do this, like we'll we'll we'll ask him nicely to stop. And the other one, the other guys are like, Are you out of your fucking mind? Like, this thing is up and running, and like it just kept getting bigger and bigger. And and he had this whole like, this is the handbook of Harvard and all this shit. I was like, dude, that ain't gonna work, man. This is this is not not the way to go here.

SPEAKER_03 53:26

Yeah, at some point, you gotta see the fucking light, man, and see especially for guys as brilliant as them who yeah, I I don't know them obviously, but they're they're they come from multimillionaire families. You think that they would have much more of a cutthroat sort of uh you know, know when they're getting screwed over and let's and be angry to the point where let's sue, let's sue, you know, yeah. That whole that whole gentleman or gentleman of Harvard thing was a little bit a little bit bizarre. I don't know how much truth there was to that, but I was I'm in I'm agreeing with you. I'm like, what are you guys doing?

SPEAKER_01 53:58

You know, yeah, guys, get off your asses. Like, you know, is it because you're already super rich, you're not that worried about it? Like, but yeah, that that that was that was like as you say, like, I'm not buying it. You know, that was when I was kind of like, I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_03 54:12

Yeah, I I was going, okay, you know, this I don't see how this is really happening like this, but it which there's a funny scene when they when they we'll get to it later, but the the when they're in the rowing thing and they finally the one guy finally the one brother finally go, it's the it's the funniest moment of the entire movie for me. But we'll get we'll get to that in a little while. So again, that what'd you think of the courtroom scenes, by the way? Because we haven't really talked about them.

SPEAKER_01 54:37

Yeah, some of the some of my favorite dialogue in the whole thing um is in some of those scenes. Um, like I believe it's the first one where they're like um they ask him a question and they were like, Are you sure? Remember that you're under oath. And he's like, Oh, this would be the first time anyone's ever lied under oath. You know, like just like these little daggers that he's like just throwing across. You get like as much of an asshole as he was in the beginning, now that he's got money later in the deposition and all and all these other things, he like some of the things he says is just really, really bold. Um just cutting to like how little he respects or gives a shit about anybody in the room. Um, but yeah, some arguably my favorite dialogue outside of the first scene is in those depositions.

SPEAKER_03 55:23

Yeah, I'm with you. Uh it it and also at this point here, and they and they kind of show it in the movie. At this point, he doesn't have any friends. Yeah, he doesn't have a girlfriend, he doesn't have any friends, he's got money, and that's it. Yeah, and it makes you wonder the real I asked when I'm watching this going, I'm wondering if the real Zuckerberg now obviously stylized, but you know he lost friendships over this, and and you you you just wonder these kids, these guys are like 22, 23 years old, they're not even men going through all this stuff. It's it's mind-boggling to me. Just what must have been going on. I just was trying to picture the real Mark Zuckerberg sitting like in his car after leaving the deposition and just by himself going, I'll never have to work again. I'm 24 years old, I don't ever have to, I have more money. Like I said, I mean he could see a building across the I could buy that building right now.

SPEAKER_02 56:15

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:16

I I just wondered to be in that elite, just just what goes on in a person's mind when when what is he happy? Is he is he looking going, what am I doing with my life? What do I do now? Yeah, you know, what do I do for happiness now that money is will never be an issue, which is all that drives pretty much anybody in life? And he's 23 years old, and that that's gone, he doesn't even have to worry about that.

SPEAKER_01 56:40

It's like uh God, yeah, and like is it enough? You know, like can somebody like that ever be satisfied? You know, is it like just we got to keep going, keep going. I remember I read a uh an interview when this came out, and somebody asked uh Sorkin what was the most difficult part about writing this movie, and he said it was the legality of it. And it his quote was something along the lines of every single page I wrote, I had to run by Sony's lawyers to make sure I wasn't slamming this kid too hard, every single word. Because if I if I slammed him too hard, Mark Zuckerberg at 24 years old would have owned Sony. He would have like Sony would not have been able to Sony the law department at Sony would have gotten blown out of the water by the law team he could have put together. Like he would own Sony, which is a wild thing to think about from a kid that young.

SPEAKER_03 57:37

Yeah, 24 years old, and yeah, just I mean what the fuck dude. Yeah, I that but when I'm watching that movie, along with the story, I'm just going what a what a what a what an who these people to just have all this money at this age and yeah and and what a weird life they're all gonna go on to lead, you know? Just money's no longer a billionaire in your 20s, like what the heck you know and changing the world from your don't just uh it was I don't want to get off top, but it was just fascinating to me. This world that these people exist, these very few people will ever experience, you know. They're they're they're like the the the and it's not back in the like the industrial revolution, the the uh the Carnegies, the Rockefellers, you know, that took time. You had to go buy stuff, and you had to you know, steel, you had to create engines, you had to you can it took them time to build up their wealth. These these guys are fucking doing it from their dorm room, just with a computer, just sitting there drinking a beer, becoming billionaires. It's just insane, man.

SPEAKER_01 58:44

Yeah, well, I mean it really is like half drunk, and you just create something that changes the world, you never work again. You're like, oh, that was cool. Yeah, what are we doing now?

SPEAKER_03 58:52

I mean, exactly. What what do you do now? I mean, obviously, they've done things, but I I I just like I said, I picture these people when they're all alone by themselves with their thoughts. What do they think about? What are they happy that they were chosen to be the billionaire? Or is it that are that do they ever are they ever worried because of where the world has gone because of things like Facebook? I you know, who knows? But I I that's the things that those are some of the things that I was thinking while I was watching this movie. Um, and yeah, you know, let's be honest, they kind of paint Zuck to be a very lonely guy. They never look happy at all. It never looks happy. Looks in fact, he looks downright miserable most of the movie. Yeah, so all right. So then then, you know, we're skip, we're we're kind of glossing over because everybody who's seen this, they've known the whole story. Yeah, hitting the big porcher. But so then they start expanding, like you said, to they sit down and go, Hey, we want to get into Columbia, Yale, and he mentions B you.

SPEAKER_02 59:49

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 59:49

Oh, yeah, yeah. Because what's driving him?

SPEAKER_01 59:52

Still that that one girl. So to your to that exact point, the scene before that, he runs into her at the restaurant, that's and he tries to apologize, and she shuts him down there.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:03

But now he didn't exactly apologize, though. He just wanted to talk.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:06

Well, okay, fair enough. Oh, that's a good point. Presumably, to maybe do his version of an apology. There you go. Can I come? Can I come talk to you? And she's like, Nope, nope, nope. So she shots him down publicly, and I think literally his next line is we have to expand.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:21

Exactly. Driven again, driven again, driven again.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:24

It's the threat, like the through line. It's like this, he's he's been hurt, so his his vengeance is like, Okay, well, now I'm gonna put this right in your face, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:34

Yeah, well, this is how I'm gonna get your attention. Yeah, this is how I'm gonna this is how I this is how it's my it's funny. My dad, uh, whatever your sexual orientation is, but just for whatever for this purposes, my dad told me a long time ago, he goes, a guy, I'd say that's probably a teenager. He goes, I guess a guy left a guy left to his own devices, he'll just he'll just kick back, have a good time. It's when he wants to impress a girl. That's when a guy gets moving. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or if you want to, whatever, like I said, your sexual orientation is. But uh he goes, when you guys, when you got and you know, I look back now, I go, why did I learn how to play guitar? Because I because I saw my buddy Andy getting attention from girls playing guitar. That's why I play guitar now.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:14

You know, it's like Ray Cardinali knows about life, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:19

Dude, he's got these, he's always had these quick little things he said that are spot on, man. And I never forgot them. Love it. Uh oh, by the way, way back when it after this, now you know it's getting popular now, face smash. And he's it he's in his classroom and he and somebody slips him that note, yeah, uh, and he opens it. What does it say? It says you dick. Yeah, you know, initially they wanted to say you fucking asshole or something, but uh this movie was initially gonna be an R-rated, but they wanted to make it PG 13 because who's gonna be who's gonna want to go watch this movie? The young kids that are on Facebook. So they wanted to make sure it was you, that's why they changed it to you dick.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:56

Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:57

And there's a there's another change they made later that I've already sort of sort of mentioned, but we'll talk about a little bit um that to keep it under that as well. And by the way, I don't want to get off topic, but since we are doing a podcast, fuck it! So when I was watching this movie, and we were talking about nostalgia, right? Yep. And around when this movie came out, I was performing at a lot of colleges. I do stand up comedy, as you guys know, the listeners, and uh I was performing at a lot of colleges all over the country. And mostly what I'm performing for is 17-year-olds. Not not like the not the 20-year-olds or 21-year-olds, the the freshmen that had nothing else to do. Let's go see a comedy show, you know. Once you because they they don't know anybody yet. It's once you've gotten your colleges, you're off with your crew, you're off with your people. Yeah, you get the younger people that are just newer to college that generally come to your comedy shows. Yeah, so they're even younger than most college, the youngest of the college freshmen. But anyhow, I remember one time I was asking them, uh, I was making a reference in my act. I don't know what year this was, but it probably would have, I'd say 2015. Let's see. Maybe maybe a few years, maybe, yeah, let's say 2015. Somebody I was in college and I was making a joke about Facebook. I go, hey man, hey, you know when you paste on Facebook, post on Facebook, and somebody in the audience goes, We don't use Facebook. I go, what? She goes, our parents use Facebook. Yeah. Yeah. I go, what? I go, I go, so wait, what do you guys use? And they're like, Instagram. And that and that's when I realized Facebook was probably five years old at this point, and it was already passe. Because once because I remember now the comics used to do jokes about it. Man, Facebook was cool, and also my mom's on it commenting on my pictures. Yeah, it became like the old person's social media platform, like so quick. And I'm that's when I realized the cutting edge of these young kids coming up. They're they're they're so there's they're this is their language that they speak. I'm playing catch up, you know. They are they are up knowing about this stuff, knowing what's new and trending way before I am. And so I was when I would go to colleges, I'd ask them, I go, what are you guys on now? What's social media? What that's how I learned to stay sort of up to date, you know. Listen to these 17-year-olds tell me what this is the one we're using now. But I remember I remember that was like a slap in the face. They're like, wait on you, our parents use that. I'm like, What?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:15

Yeah, you're like, wait a minute. Um, well, a perfect example of that. Remember, we were on tour, and my mom on Facebook was chiming in on every photo, yeah. And that's that's our parents just just loving, loving Facebook.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:29

Yep, it was amazing how quickly it went from college to you had to have a college ID to sign up for this like 2004, six, something like that. There, and then and like five years later, we don't like this anymore. It was for old people, uh exactly exactly, exactly. So funny, man. So funny, crazy. Um, anyhow, so you know, I'm trying to think, I'm sure we're missing a few little meat little things right here, but yeah, um face match. Because I have all these notes I wrote, but to go over them will be a it'll be a four-hour podcast. Oh yeah, so anyhow, now we're at we did the expansion, so now we're at the midpoint, and this is when things really start to get this is when things really start to get real. Mark and Eduardo meet Sean Parker, founder of Napster, whose charismatic vision of a global billion dollar company alienates Edward alienates Eduardo. So the scene, remember the scene where Sean Parker's in bed has a one-night stand with the girl who turns out to be Dakota Johnson. Right, yeah. I didn't even realize when I was watching. I didn't either. Yeah, I didn't realize it. Um I was too busy looking at Stanford. Uh apparently it didn't happen exactly like that. Uh it was Sean Parker's roommate's uh girlfriend from what I showed it to him.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:54

Yeah, I saw that too.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:56

Yeah, but either way, what'd you think about how how this all started, dude?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:00

Um, I thought it was great, and it's it's a great introduction to the character. You know, yeah, like a one night standy kind of thing. He's charismatic and charming right out of the gate. He's witty, he's funny, he's like uh slightly dangerous. Yeah, a little bit, you know, like a lot of times. One night stand, it's like I gotta get out of here. He's just hanging out. Let me check my email, take a shower, you know. Like, yep, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:22

Too cool for school, got it all under control.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:24

Yep, yeah, like I I invented Napster.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:27

Basically, everything that Mark Zuckerberg is not exactly a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:32

Um, and uh yeah, great in great character intro. And uh I I I remember the first time being like, Holy shit, I didn't know that the guy from Napster was involved, but how does what kind of role does he have? Having no idea where it was gonna go, obviously. Um, but uh what did you think about it?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:51

Yeah, first time I saw it in the theater, uh, same thing. I'm like, Oh, the dude from Napster was involved in all this, yeah. Holy shit. Yeah, uh yeah, I I thought it was it was great. It again, economy of filmmaking. We've we've got this character down right off the bat. He's one night stand, but he's but he's cool as hell. He he he's he's he he he knows her name. She tries to call him out, but he's likable, he's smart, and even when he's wrong, he's still charming, just charms, charms the literally the pants off of her. Okay, yeah, and and and and eventually, and then later he charms the pants off of Mark Zuckerberg because he's just got that thing. But what it is what it is is to me, it's weird how this for me especially, or you too, you're in Charlotte now, but you know the difference. New York and LA. There's just like a different vibe. East Coast, West Coast. I'm not saying I know Harvard's not in New York, but East Coast, West Coast, there's just these two different vibes with especially in the arts. Let's just use comp stand-up comedians as an example. A lot of people, a lot of people think I've heard people say that in New York comedian stand-up comedians, you learn how to write. You become writer, but LA comics are more performers. You learn how to perform in LA. You're performing. It's it's a very simplistic and not completely true uh generalization, but it just makes some kind of sense. You know, uh, LA just has more of a showbizy vibe, whereas New York has a more of a like gritty, down-to-earth, let's let's work kind of a vibe. And that's exactly what these two things are meeting. Sean Parker, he's an L, he's not LA, but he doesn't matter. It's West Coast showbiz vibe, you know. He's a brilliant guy too, who's foreign napster, but you know, he's the rock and roller uh guy. He he's and he sees something that Zuck doesn't yet.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:42

And and he sees on this road. He's been down, he knows this world.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:47

He sees the big picture because he's he sees the showbiz in all of this. And so um, how did he I I'm spacing right now. How did how did how did he get did he get in touch with with uh Zuck? How did Zuck end up winding up going to LA? I forget right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:04

Yeah, so he he asked to log in, he sees the the Facebook or whatever, and then he's like, I need to find you, Mark Zuckerberg. Um, and then um he I think Eduardo said during the deposition he had just set up a meeting. I think I think he reached out to Zuckerberg, and that's when we get the scene with the Apple Teenies at the dinner and all that stuff, and that's when they first actually meet me.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:30

I remember they met. I just I'm I don't know why I'm spacing on why what was the impetus to fly out there, though.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:35

He goes, You guys gotta come out here, and they just flew out here because they met at the dinner that I believe that was in New York, I can't remember where it was, but he's trying to get them out to uh Palo Alto, Silicon Valley.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:49

But Sean Parker was back east coast.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:51

I thought he came east to meet them and then went back. I can't remember.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:55

Either way, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:57

So but he's trying to lure them out to Palo Alto, Silicon Valley, it makes sense, right? Um, and that's what creates like the big rift uh in the entire thing. But um, yeah, I thought he just reached out and set up the meeting. Uh could be wrong, but um and even when they go from they move from Harvard to Palo Alto, like to your point, they're in like this, you know, their dorm rooms and these little like shitty kind of places, and then they rent a house in Palo Alto and it's got a pool and everybody's drinking, and it's like the difference again, East Coast and West Coast, like they're having pool parties and video games, everyone's smoking pot back east. Everyone's huddled in these little rooms, you know, just coding and stuff. So um just more east and the difference between east and west coast on that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:45

Yeah, 100%. I I I literally blowing my mind that that first meeting, how how they wound up out there, uh going out there. That I shot Parker, we oh no, we saw the chimney. Hold on a second now. The Winkelboss trend meet press. Oh, wait a second. Let's let's backtrack for one second here. Okay, I want to talk about my favorite scene in the whole movie. Okay, so we're talking we're going back to the Winklevoss twins were pissed, and they set up a meeting with the president. Oh, dude, because they are the Winklevoss and they are allowed to do this.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:22

Yeah, you know, yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:24

This was my favorite scene in the whole fucking movie, dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:28

Yep, it's up there for me too. Yeah, the Dean.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:33

Yeah, the the the actor's name is Douglas Urbansky, who's I I think I'm more of a producer, and I believe he used to manage Gary Ullman. Maybe maybe still do, but he's not all so much just an actor, dude. He fucking stole the movie, bro. Oh, so in so great, yeah. Uh Larry, Larry Summers, that's who he's playing. The the the the president, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:55

Yeah, and he's like, uh, he goes, uh like the Winklevoss twins, like he stole an idea that could be worth millions, and he goes, Millions. I think it's time for you to just get a job. Like he's just like rational.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:08

Uh it was he's sitting there, they're talking. He goes, he just turns, he goes, he goes, and punch me in the face. Just the way he delivered that, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:20

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:21

And then they go, wait, then they go, What you just said makes oh, he says something to them to the Winkelvoss. The one Winkelvoss guy goes, What you just said make no sense to me. He goes, I'm devastated by that. I have that on my boat too. Right in their fucking dude, I laughed, I laughed out loud, yeah, at the way he the way he del that guy was just perfect for that role, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:44

Yeah, don't they they say something to him too? Like, um, like with all due respect, you I I you don't know what you're talking about. And he's like, Well, I was the secretary of the treasury, so with all due respect, I think I do know what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:56

Like, just this crazy shit, dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:59

Yeah, that guy stole the show. He was great.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:01

Yeah, that was that's a scene I'll go back and watch again just for him. Yeah, oh yeah. I do have in my notes right here, by the way, that they did meet Sean Parker in New York. Uh he he came in, and and I think the one thing, you know, he's he's cool, he's just and I believe it was because the deposition they were doing voiceover and then they switched to the deposition. But that's when he goes, he goes, he I think Zuckerberg even acknowledged, he goes, he he added the one thing that was really important as he's leaving. He goes, drop the lose the the just just Facebook, it's cleaner, you know. And he was right, you know, he was right.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:39

He was right about a lot of shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:40

Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. He saw the bigger world and and and and you know, he he just he was so busy, he's all that kind of stuff, and uh uh so we okay. So then now, yeah, like you said, now that all of a sudden once he he Zuckerberg again, who knows how real life this is, but he is just mesmerized by Sean Parker. He wants that, he wants to be that guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:08

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:09

And Eduardo sees through him to some degree, but also I think Eduardo just kind of limited in scope. Yeah, I and I think I think what really happened at this moment, probably in real life and in the movie, is Eduardo was just getting passed by. Yeah, he was just getting passed by. He doesn't have the vision of Sean Parker, he doesn't have the brilliance of Zuckerberg. He's this guy in the middle who's almost not needed anymore. He was needed at the beginning, but he's really not needed anymore. It comes to pass that that's exactly what happened. But that this is literally what's happening, and he's trying to hold on, and he's he doesn't like Sean Parker because he doesn't understand this guy. Well, maybe he does maybe he does understand this guy is he he's he's bigger than I am.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:58

I you know, yeah, I agree, and I think that's what I think he's realizing. Like, oh, this like like Zuckerberg wants to be him, and uh Eduardo wants to be like him, like, oh, I want to be this business savvy, and I think he can tell, like, oh, this dude is a fucking threat. Like, this dude can do my job a million times better than me. Like, oh shit, this is the you know, this is a problem.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:23

Yeah, yeah. Uh um Eduardo, he's going to New York trying to set up meetings and knocking on doors and make Sean Parker's already there. Oh he's called he's calling meetings, he's going, uh guys, tomorrow, 7 p.m. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. That's what I'm saying. He I think Eduardo realized he's a small fish, and and and Sean Parker's a big fish.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:45

Big time, yeah. And I mean, it makes sense. This kid is like 20 or 21, you know. Like, how could he be, you know, a Sean Parker who has been down this road and well, I mean, Sean Parker's the same age as these guys, maybe two years older, three years older. But yeah, but what I mean is like he started a business, he did Napster, he's a capitalist, you know, like uh Eduardo's like, oh shit, like this is a fucking problem, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:08

Right, yeah. Zuckerberg's got a skill that Sean Parker doesn't have. Sean Parker has a skill that Zuckerberg doesn't have. Eduardo's kind of like he doesn't have either one of the skills, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:17

Yeah, yeah. He's a money guy.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:19

Yeah, he's he's getting passed by at this moment, and he knows it. Uh, I think deep down, so he's clinging, but but he goes, they go out there in the Palo Alto, and you know, they're in that like you said, they're in that house. Now it's a party scene, it's a pool in the backyard. Yeah, totally different than east. And by the way, I think they even shot it differently. The color, the coloring, the call East Coast, it was kind of satirized. Give you that east coast kind of all sudden it's bright, it's colors, it's it's uh yeah. It now we're now now we we went from dusty kansas to the wizard to the to Oz. We are now in Oz, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Essentially, super colorful California. Uh the party's happening, and uh it was uh then like you said, then they have the meeting in the club with the the apple peenies, and this is when Parker comes in and just it's it's it's on now. He he's he he's he's showing he's just wowing Zuckerberg with this whole this whole thing's a plan.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:20

Yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:21

I mean, hey, hey Mark Christy, he knows the girl's name, you know. It sits down, he's just got it all, and again, this is the scene we were talking about earlier. There's a lot of noise, they're yelling. This is this is all part of the plan. They could have held this meeting in a coffee house. Now, this is this is Sean Parker showing this is where we are now, guys. I'm rock and roll. Let's make this rock and roll.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:43

Yeah, come with me. I'll show you how to get there. Yeah, get on board.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:47

Yep, yep. And also, it's just gonna he knows he goes, I don't give a fuck about Eduardo. I need to wow zuck. That's all that matters, and that's exactly what he did, you know, and that's why Eduardo's trying to see through him. And then this is one of the coolest scenes in the movie when when they're talking about millions, and and and Parker goes, Uh yeah, a million's not cool anymore. You know what's cool? And then they cut to the deposition, and it's Eduardo going, a billion dollars.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:18

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:20

It was like that man, that hit hard right there. That was a real that was a such a great cut. Yeah, and and again, I'm I'm watching a movie going, man. These guys are all in their 20s, and they're literally on the verge of being billionaires. Could you imagine just just going to bed at night, just what's your head, what goes on in your head? Yeah, being I that's what I kept visualizing. Go, Mike, what do these guys do? What it's just like it's they've got to be just walking on air, even though they're going through all this stuff, knowing at the end of the day, they're all gonna be loaded, you know. It's like gosh damn, what an interesting world to have existed in for those guys.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:02

Like uh that would be awesome now, let alone at 25. You know what I mean? Like, Jesus Christ, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:09

Oh my god, billionaires in their 20s. It's just it's it's it's incredible to me. Just again, again, watching about that. Um, there was one scene in the uh in the uh the the Apple the Apple teeny scene that did kind of crack, it did kind of crack me up. It was just kind of an editing glitch, in my opinion. Uh, it's really hard to catch, I guess. You know, they get there with the talking, and then Sean Parker goes, We need some drinks, waitress, and she's literally right there. Oh it wasn't like there was a waitress and then a boss, and then she comes walking over. It's like literally she's right here. There was no need to say waitress, or they should they should have they should have given it a few pauses until she came over. She's it's literally like she's right here.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:53

I missed that one.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:54

Yeah, yeah. It was I just kind of funny. We don't, you know, uh, unless she was just standing. He didn't need to yell it because there's no way she was that far away if she's this close, right here. It was kind of a funny, maybe just slip of an editor something, but I I I noticed it. Uh I missed that one.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:10

Uh, didn't it win Oscar for best editing, too?

SPEAKER_03 1:20:13

Yeah, it did, and it deserved it.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:14

Oh, yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:16

This is not something I think it it's it wasn't so noticeable. I, you know, who knows? And I I didn't notice the first time I watched it either. But um, so anyhow, Sean Parker, he's got the he's got again the midpoint. This is act two, the midpoint. Mark and Eduardo meet Sean Parker, founder of Napster, whose character charismatic vision of a global billion-dollar company alienates Eduardo, which is exactly what we just talked about. So now we go to the third part of Act Two, the dilution. Sean Parker orchestrates a deal with investor Peter Thiel, actual guy, which includes issuing a new stock that heavily dilutes Eduardo's shares, squeezing him out of the company he helped to found. So are we skipping ahead of here a little bit? We missing anything as far as before we get to this.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:58

I mean, all yeah, a couple little things, but you know, I don't I think it's all skippable. Uh, one thing I do want to point out when I when the Winkleboss twins are doing that rowing race in England or whatever, the way that is shot, it was so incredible with like the cameras right over the guys and then sweeping over the water and the mist and everything. I like it felt to me like Fincher was like, All right, this is a lot of people talking. I need a scene where I can show that I am still directing this fucking movie, you know. Like it was way more cinematic than it needed to be, like right in the middle of it. Um, very cool, just a very cool sequence.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:37

It's funny because when I was watching it, if you go back in, and I believe I read this, the first shot like of the boats in the distance, it looks like it looks like a miniature, and I think it was a miniature shot. Oh, interesting. Yeah, yeah, it's a miniature shot. And I believe they shot it somewhere on the east coast. I don't think they went way over there. Maybe some maybe some exterior shots, but yeah, I agree. Absolutely, just absolutely gorgeous energy and and uh and um oh that's I don't I don't know if we get to that part yet or whatever. I don't want to skip ahead. So, anyhow, after that scene of them rowing, now they're in the suits talking to all the people. Yeah, and then they go into the room, the two Winklevoss and the other dude. Yeah, and they're trying to convince a guy, no man, it's everywhere. Whatever they see the paper, and now no, that's when they realize now. Oh, after Sean Parker, he goes, I'll get you into I'll get you into two different continents. Yeah, Sean Parker says that and in that by the way, going back to that dinner thing, that's when you saw they have Zuckerberg going, Oh yeah, I'm one over, and Ed Wardo is like, Fuck. Uh oh, yeah, basically, basically that's it. Fuck, you know, I don't trust this guy, I don't like this guy, but it he's also just threat, a comp like I said, a complete and utter threat to Eduardo, who's just what do I do now? Uh there's no need for me. I can't what am I gonna go back to New York, start knocking on doors?

SPEAKER_01 1:22:53

You know, yeah, yeah. Uh blast for sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:56

Yeah, that's when you go settlement, man. Give me my money. But uh, but you know, um, so now this is now this is showing us that it is now in over in England. The Facebook Facebook is now over in in in England, and and that's when they're that's when and this is the funniest moment unintentionally of the entire movie. The three of them in that room trying to get trying to get the one nice winkel boss guy to finally get mad enough. And what does he say? He goes, Let's freaking gut the nerd. If you go watch it, he actually said, Let's fucking gut the nerd, but they want they want to take no, we need to make this PG 13. So they they overdubbed it for freaking and it's it's just strings so not true. Like he's so mad, but he's let's freaking gut the nerd. But that that's a scene I wish I think if they could have reshot it and just said, how about like damn it, let's go, just something like that. Not like let's freaking gut the nerd. That's just just just a little that's just a little that's that's dialogue written, not said.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I'll have to rewatch that because I didn't catch that either.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:09

Yeah, dude, it was so unintentionally hilarious. Let's freaking gut the nerd. It was actually he actually said when they shot it, let's fucking gut the nerd. And they changed it. It just it just sounds so untrue. And I will say, what's the other line earlier? There um six foot two, two twenty, and there's two of me. Yeah, I that was another line where I like okay, Sarkin, we get it. You're cutesy, yeah. You know, I didn't really believe you know that line didn't really. I was like, okay, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:37

Yeah, yeah. I I can that was maybe the only line I was like, eh.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:41

Yeah, we get it. You're trying, we're trying to show off.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:48

That's probably something that they have said.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:50

Maybe, yeah, I guess so. I mean, it was it. I but like you said, when I heard it, I'm like, nah, okay, bro. Yeah, yeah, I get it. I get it. All right, so now they're doing uh the meeting. So Pete, like basically, he they take the meeting with Peter Thiel, who is an investor. Uh, he he invested 500 grand. Uh yeah, right there. Imagine again, you're 20 some years old, you walk out of a meeting, somebody goes, half a million dollars, we're in. You're like, you know, gosh damn, man. But not only that, but I'm again, you're Mark Zuckerberg, you're 20 some years old, but now you're all of a sudden now, you're responsible for all these people working underneath you. That's just gotta be a weird feeling to to be like this whole team of engineers who are literally you are your company is responsible for their employee. Just it's it's mind ball, it's yeah, mind boggling to just think what must have gone on in this guy's head as he's going through as he's going through this whole process. Yeah, I didn't even think of that.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:50

Yeah, you have full employees and shit now.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:53

Yeah, you're responsible for these people, their livelihoods, their your hiring, your these there's things you don't plan to do when you're just creating a website, right? Uh just wild to be the head of a corporation, like jeez. That's gonna play two. Yeah, that's gonna employ uh uh uh 10, 20, 30, 40, 100, 1000s. It's just like gosh damn. Uh okay, so so anyhow, then they so then they they did they do the stock thing, and you know, and and then they now we're back to the deposition, going back and forth to the deposition where they've diluted Eduardo's stock.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:29

Oh, wait, hold on, hold on. Before that, we missed one key thing where Eduardo froze all the accounts.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:37

All right, which he which he actually did, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:39

Yeah, I saw that too. Yeah, and that I think that was the final nail in his coffin, was just like, dude, you fucked this whole thing up. Like, you were probably only here because you're my good buddy, and then now you did that. Like, I'm sorry, you're you're out, you're out.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean, yeah, it was it was a last throw dart for Eduardo because you know he was out otherwise, and that's the and that's the one last card he had was that was that cash.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:09

A little bit, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:11

Yeah, well, you know, I'm I'm not saying I wouldn't have done the same thing the way he was getting pushed out, but that's the only that's the only thing he had left. That's it, yeah. Otherwise, he's done. Uh, and by the way, I I looked up how the whole stock thing works. Like, I'm like, how did they dilute uh Eduardo's stock, but not anybody else's? Well, turns out I guess when he signed the contract for 33 point percent shares, yeah, in in the fine line dialogue, which I guess he didn't have looked over. Yeah, too. He he was not, I it's technical stuff, but he was not, he was, he had the stock, but he wasn't like a uh director of the board. So he couldn't make any decisions. And what and and the other people like like Zuck had 52%, Sean had like let's just say eight percent, and then the loaners had two percent, whatever the case may be. But what what they could do. Is Facebook could just literally issue more stock. They could just take, we're gonna emission a million more shares, which dilutes everybody's, but we'll give you know 300,000 to Zuck. We'll give 300, but they didn't, but they they didn't have to give any to the only person that didn't get any when they did this was Eduardo, which meant his his initial thing, the percentage just kept being worth less and less as each per as each stock itself was worth less. That's how he got through. What I understand is it didn't go down to like 0.5.05, like in the movie, but it did go down to like 10% after being like up like 30% or something like that. So I mean a lot of fucking money. Yeah, I saw that.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:38

I was like, holy shit, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:40

You imagine, dude, these young 20-year-old friends, and now they're arguing over like billions of dollars, just fucking wild to me, dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:48

And the craziest part, too, is in that scene when they're explaining everything to him, and he's the lawyer's like, here's the documents, and then he goes, Wanna use my pen? And he just has this look on his face where you're kind of like, dude, don't uh don't have somebody look this shit over, and he just starts signing everything, and you're like, Oh my god, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:10

And he goes, I thought I thought they were my lawyers, and you know, you're 20, you're in your room in that room with guys in suits, you're with your best friend. I it it totally makes sense, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:20

I get it, yeah, I get it. You don't think you're getting fucked over in this moment, but just the look on that actor's face, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:26

It was perfect, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:27

Care to use my pen, and just that subtle I was like, Yeah, holds the pen up like this.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:32

Yeah, oh man, fucking hey, yeah. Uh yeah, and and and if honestly, if Zuckerberg did do it that way, fuck him. What that what a fucking shitty thing to do, man. If you want to if you want to call Edwardo into a private meeting, sit down as friends, go, dude, here's where it's at in life. You're gonna get paid, you're gonna get paid, but here's where I'm going. So, dude, let's do this the best way for both of us. To do it like this is just, oh man, come on. The worst.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:57

The worst.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:58

Yeah. So the timeline. Look now. We are to act three, the consequences and the billions. Part one of act three, the legal reckoning. The timeline catches up to the deposition rooms where Zuckerberg is simultaneously being sued by the Winkelvoss twins for stealing the idea and Eduardo for diluting his shares. And the stealing of the idea, again, in the even in the movie, it's it's it's it's to be determined who's right and who's wrong, you know. Uh uh again, to this day we don't know, you know, that the the Winkelvoss had the ideas, but again, like we said, it's like, hey, I got a great idea for a screenplay, write it for me.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:38

And he says the line, if you're if if you could have if you could have created Facebook, you would have. Yeah, you couldn't, so you didn't. I did. I didn't use your coding. Uh, you know, like I said, had he been more forthright with hey guys, I'm out, then he might have not had to go to court like this. But there came a point where I'm just going, I I'm talking about the actual Zuckerberg. Yeah, dude, pay him. Who cares? Yeah, give give me an amount. Done, sign, goodbye. You know, why why the depositions, you know, what are you fighting for, dude? You know, I think I think they ended up getting paid 65 million. Not even in the grand scheme of things, that much.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:21

No, in the Facebook grand scheme of things, that's even back then, yeah. Like you said, that's nothing, yeah. Uh um, I yeah, that's a good point. I don't know if because I could see Zuckerberg being a little asshole about it and being like, No, I'm not paying you anything. Like, okay, well, now we're gonna go to court, you know. Like, I could totally see him doing that, yeah. But he knows he's gonna lose. Like at the one point, the one guy says, I can't wait to stand over you while you cut us a check. And he goes, I know, like he knows what's happening, so yeah, it's a good point. I don't know why he didn't just be like, How many zeros at the end of this to never fucking see you again? Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:03

Yeah, um who know who knows? It might have happened somewhere like that. You know, you know, these but I'm just saying there came a point where you just realize, is this worth my time? Yeah, go away, go away, go away. Seriously, here's here's your money, yeah. Go away. Yeah, yeah. That that that's sort of that's the sort of ultimate fuck. You there's a check. I never want to see your face again. You know, it's gosh, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:29

I'll just bail a check to your lawyer's office with an NDA. Don't ever contact me again. Bye.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:33

That's yep. And Eduardo, it's funny because Eduardo, he after he got paid, you know, he you know, he he is one point not the youngest. It's funny, the guy we not even talk about is their other friend Dustin, yeah. Uh, who at one point was the youngest billionaire in the world. He was even because he because he was even younger than uh Zuck, and he got you know his percentage. He's obviously not included in any of these lawsuits, but he got his percentage, and uh, you know, he's I think he's worth like 20 billion, right? These kids, man. My god, all of them. Wild. Uh so anyhow, then the final statement. Mark Mark's legal team advised him to settle with both parties to avoid a jury, seeing his callous emails and dismissive behavior, resulting in a $65 million pay payout to the twins and a reinstatement of Eduardo's name on the masthead. I think both of those things are true. And it is true, by the way. They the I forget who told him oh no, uh that to me was one of my favorite scenes as well. When everybody was gone and it was just him and Rashida Jones, is that her name?

SPEAKER_01 1:33:38

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:39

And and she just kind of sets him straight. Like advises him just settle, pay because even though he thinks he can probably win, because he thinks in his mind he's right, she's like, she's done, he goes, It doesn't matter what you think, it's what I can convince 12 jurors to think. Yeah, and with like you said, he the callous emails and dismissive behavior, which is 100% true. He's gonna the the jury's not going to like him. And he could he might stand to lose. She's basically saying, dude, you you're gonna stand to lose a lot more. Fucking pay him, pay him, yeah, just go away, and uh you know, and that's it, man. And then that I just I thought she again talk about a great actress who had barely anything to do with this movie, but everything she did was just perfect, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:26

And that's the other thing that's like where she says to him, like, you planted that story about Eduardo and the chicken or whatever, and he's like, No, I didn't. She goes, Doesn't matter. No, everyone's thinking you did, or at least thinking about it. She's like, It's been 10 seconds, and uh, you know, like I'd like this is what I do, so just pay him, you know. Um, yeah, it's uh just holy shit, dude. Yeah, crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:49

Yeah, and then you know, again, hearkening back to the very first scene, she walks out and she goes, she goes, You're not an asshole, but you're you're trying so hard to be. Yeah, you know, and it's like it just it just makes you wonder for me at least. I was going, what does make this guy tick? What does make Mark Zuckerberg tick? What what what drives him? What you know what I obviously got a brilliant mind that's that sees coding and sees all this stuff, and it all came together, but I it just makes me wonder what does make him tick. They're just such a they don't live on they almost don't live on planet earth, these people.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:29

Oh yeah, they're like operating on a whole different frequency.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:33

Yeah, like he's got his own. I don't know if he I don't know if he bought the island, but like Larry Ellison owns an island in Hawaii, and they have they have compounds for if the world gets blown up, they're gonna go under it's all this weird shit, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:44

It's like oh like my hundred billion dollars. You're like, well, I mean, I guess I'll just start building underground. Like, fuck, I'm out of ideas, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:53

Like that's kind of what Steve, that's what kind of what Steve Jobs said when he realized he was dying. He goes, Hey man, you know, uh you can only eat one sandwich. He goes, My car, your car gets you from one place to the next, you know. Yeah, as Mike Raffler used to say, everybody dies broke, so you know, all that money, and then you know what? At some point you're gonna you're gonna get old, and that's it. It's weird, and then the climactic scene, the climax, the last scene, which is just such a great scene. Yeah, left isolated in a conference room. The world's youngest billionaire sends her friend request to his ex-girlfriend Erica on Facebook, and then obsessively refreshes the page. After all this dialogue, the final scene is just several minutes of silence.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:34

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:34

Just brilliant filmmaking. Yeah, because now we're like, oh, he is a human being. You know what I mean? It kind of like softens the blow a little bit, and uh even if it's not true in real life, it's it was great for the movie, and it totally made sense, you know. Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, it's the one thing he can never could get. He got everything else in life, everything except for that one, except for that one thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:03

Uh and just so brilliantly acted, too. Like the way he like sit, like you can see him like think like he like takes a second to think about it, and then he like looks her up, and then he like reaches for the keyboard, then he stops, and then you can almost see him be like, fuck it, and then send the request, and then just sit there refreshing. I mean, just yeah, just incredible.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:23

Yeah, the the the one person he just can't get over, and and and all that stuff is from his past, you know how much has changed in his life since that first meeting. Yeah, you know, who who knows what the timeline is one year, two years, who knows? But he went from that meeting sitting down trying to get into Final Club to is now the richest, the youngest billionaire in the world. This is what two years later, maybe? Yeah, think about that trajectory. Gosh damn.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:49

Golly.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:50

Uh a lot of people said, or what I listened to is uh a lot of people drew a correlation to this movie saying it's the modern day Citizen Kane. Not for not for like the camera angles and all that kind of stuff, but because you know, Citizen Kane was based on uh uh William Randolph Hearst, who was the mega media guy back when media was newspapers and and all that sort of thing, and he was uh you know, kind of a tragic figure in a lot of ways. Um, and then Zuckerberg is the you know, he's the guy for meta and the social media, right? How we consume media nowadays, right? Uh yeah, I can see that. That's cool. I like that. Yeah, very similar. Again, like with Network, Watson is moving besides the actual story of how Facebook was uh created, there's just so much more to this movie, man. Yeah, and again, watching it now, after we've seen where Facebook has gone, where social media is gone, it kind of just makes you go, kind of just makes you sad about the innocence that once was. Like you get on, you used to get excited, used to get, oh, somebody poked me on Facebook, you know. Oh, that's new. Okay, cool. Yeah, like just the simplest little things. Like, like writing a comment on a wall, and now it is all about how many likes did I get? What did I got? Did anybody you know? Now, again, I'm coming from a comedian's perspective, so I don't really post like a family picture, and I'm obviously it's good for people to do that too, but just what is created influencers, you know. Uh people that grow up back in the day, everybody wanted to be a rock star or they want to be an actress. Now everybody wants to be an influencer. Yeah, you know, I'm telling you, you you meet some some 12-year-old in Iowa. I want to be an influencer, you know, it's changed everything. Yeah, and and and it all started. It also makes me wonder why. I would love to know why Friendster in MySpace, because you know, they were before Facebook. I wonder what why they both failed. Like, what were they missing? That because it seemed to me, like if anything else, Facebook just looked at what they were doing and and corrected it, yeah, and took what they did wrong and just made the necessary corrections to make their things successful.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:57

Yeah, I forget who said it, but it was um some somebody creative. But they basically were like, you never want to be the first one to discover something because you're not gonna quite get it right, and it's always gonna be the next person that comes along that's gonna take your idea and make it the way you couldn't.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:17

Yeah, and it had always kind of stuck with me.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:19

And I so I think like Friendster and and MySpace and whatever the other ones were just kind of fell victim to that. I mean, look, I'm sure they all did fine. They're none of those dudes are probably working anymore either, but not obviously just didn't hit the scale that uh that Facebook did.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:35

Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Actually, I always wonder whatever happened to Tom. Where is he? I've heard he's living in an island somewhere, some Tom from White Space, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:42

Oh, yeah, yeah, totally. And uh, and I heard I actually heard not that long ago he's like uh big photographer, like lives in like Costa Rica or in a island.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:51

That's what I heard too, down there somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:52

Yeah, yeah, just chilling. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:55

And that's what I'm saying. Once you get your money, like I'm I'm going. If I had all that money, you know, Zuckerberg now. Again, you go you might what makes this guy tick? Now he's big, he's like he was always a nerd. Now he's a big jujitsu guy, and he's a super hardcore trainer, which I respect. Yeah, you know, he he he he's he's doing, you know, him and his wife, they they uh like I said, happily married. Yeah, uh one thing I didn't like, uh they were they were I kept that they were buying some property in Hawaii, and I think they wanted to alter it rather than keep it preserved and really pissing off a lot of the locals. Yeah, and I'm like, you got all this money. What do you need that for? You know, just leave people be, you know. Uh don't don't don't don't fuck with the land.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:36

Yeah, altering islands, like all right, it's fucked up enough. You own half of this thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:40

Don't but it's it's just interesting how they portray him here about chicks, unless we gotta get chicks, and he's been married since he was young, and then it's Bill, it's Bill Gates, the total nerd that goofball who divorced his wife. Turns out he was the crazy chick hound, you know. Right, right, yeah, yeah. That was another scene in the movie where the guy comes out, he goes, Boy, he he's what was the scene with Bill with the Bill Gates line?

SPEAKER_01 1:42:01

Impersonator, he's like, uh, he said the next Bill Gates could be sitting in this room, and I swear he looked right at you, Mark. And he goes, Well, do you know who said that? And the guy goes, No, and he goes, That was that was Bill Gates. Like, and the kid was like, Oh shit, I didn't even realize it.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:14

Yeah, that was another moment where I was like, Okay, this guy wouldn't know who Bill Gates is.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:19

Yeah, probably probably.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:20

Yeah, I I thought that's that's tossed in there for humorous effect, which by the way, I I have no problem with, but I was like, Yeah, it was good.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:27

Yeah, funny moment. One of my favorite, like just how much of a dick. I found it so entertaining how much of a dick Zuckerberg was in this, especially the courtroom, the deposition stuff. What the one guy, uh Eduardo's attorney, I guess, was like, so you put the initial $1,000 in and then you cut a check for an additional $18,000, making it a $19,000 investment. Is that correct? And Zuckerberg goes, Hold on. And then he goes, Yeah, that's what I got.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:57

Yeah, dude. My mat my Mac checks out.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:01

Yeah, dude, like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:03

What a fun role to play, man. Just a dick, like a snide dick.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:09

And then the uh the other like famous one with the uh where the guy's like, Do I have to do I have your attention? And he's like, No, you have the minimum. You're like, you are not worth any of my attention.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:20

Your condescending question. He's like, Oh, he's talking to the to these, you know, older wise attorneys. You're this young little punk wearing flip-flops, talking shit to everybody.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:32

And they're probably charging two grand an hour, you know. Like, who knows what these lawyers are getting paid.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:37

And he's richer than all of them combined by far. Yeah, like just like what a weird position to be in in life when you almost have no equals at your age. Yeah, you know, you don't who you who are your equals? There you don't really have any, yeah. You know, you're superior to everybody. You know, you were worth it. Just gotta be a weird. That's why it's probably good that he got married young and and you know, knew her before he was who he was, basically. To keep him to keep to keep him normal, just because what else would he do? What do you wake up? And you know, how many how many different companies can you invest in and keep trying to, you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:44:13

So, yeah, who knows?

SPEAKER_03 1:44:15

Um there's a pretty cool scene because hold on, I don't want to interrupt, but but you know, Zuckerberg has said that you know that everybody said this is a fictionalized thing, and oh yeah, but uh there's a scene he he was uh Jesse Eisenberg, he was the host of SNL, and he's out there right in 2010, uh or 2011, 1010, whatever. He comes out and he starts talking about the social network, and then Andy Sandberg comes out as Zark Zuckerberg. He's like, What's up, man? I'm Zuckerberg. Hey, no, a couple laughs, and the real Mark Zuckerberg was in the green room with with Lauren Michael, and then he goes, Hey, what's going on? You know, and then he and then he comes walking out, and now it's Andy Sandberg is Mark Zuckerberg, Jesse Eisenberg, and the real Mark Zuckerberg.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:01

Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:02

You can watch it's on YouTube. It's not, it's not really hella, it's hilarious to watch, but Zuckerberg, the actual guy, is just so awkward. Oh, even being himself, obviously he's not an actor, he's not a comedian, he doesn't know what to do, but it's just funny to see him. But it also tells you, okay, yeah, it may not be accurate, but he's not all angry about the way he was portrayed. He's having fun, he's having fun with it too. And and from what I hear, nobody ever heard much about him. Like he wasn't doing interviews, you didn't see much about him. But after the movie came out, he kind of made it a point to be a little more present to humanize himself to work to the world. Interesting to show, hey guys, I'm not this guy, I'm not a robot, I'm a real person. And yeah, so he made it so maybe hit him or his team or whatever, and appearing on SNL just to sort of humanize himself to a degree.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:49

Yeah, show you got a little sense of humor about it, you know, like you know, yeah, it makes sense. Um, yeah, I'm sure he was nervous. It's fucking Saturday Night Live.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:57

This guy's not former, he's probably scared and it's so it's so obvious, he just doesn't know what to do.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:03

Yeah, okay. I'll check that one out. That's awesome. Um, and then I don't know if you heard this story. I just I read I discovered this one. Apparently, um Fincher went to the studio and was like, uh, this is gonna be uh $41 million budget. And they were like, Yeah, we're gonna give you $30 million. And he was like, It's gonna be $41 million, and they're like, Okay, we'll do $33 million. And he was like, It's gonna be $41 million. And Aaron Sorkin was like, It's $41 million, and they were like, Fuck it. Okay, so they greenlit it and it came in at like $40.8 million budget. He just like just knew, and Sony was trying to lowball him, and he was like, This is what like this is what's gonna cost, like, and just knew right away, and uh just what you know, no, you're not cutting the budget, and then it made you know two 250 million, something like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:54

Yeah, worldwide did what real world should have cleaned up with the Oscars, should have uh you know, uh King Speech, fun movie, but this should have swept the Oscars in every category, in my opinion. Everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:05

Oh, I agree. And the uh we didn't really talk about it, but the the fucking score is just like it's so perfect. I mean, we're talking maybe one of the all-time great career pivots from nine-inch nails to I'm gonna score movies and just like killing ass.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:26

But also like understated, not like rocket, you know, rocket. It just really understated moody, moody, and and by the way, I thought it was as soon as I heard the music at the very end, baby you're a rich, baby you're a rich man. Because that that's one of my favorite Beatles songs, has been since I was a little kid, and it's not a big, it's it's a not a big hit. It was, you know, it's an I don't want to call it, I want to, it's hard to say album track when it comes to the Beatles, but it's an album track, yeah. And and it's honestly the song itself isn't talking about how much money you have, it's talking about your soul, you're a rich, you got a good inside, is what the song's actually about. So I just thought that was a great as soon as I heard that music play, I'm like, oh man, what a fucking killer song to end the movie. Because you don't really hear be you don't hear Beatles songs in movies very often.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:14

Yeah, that's true. I didn't even know it was the Beatles, so yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:17

Like I said, album album track. Yeah, oh it's fun. I just was really oh I said, what a great ending to this damn movie. Yeah, so let's unless you got anything to say about the movie, let's get on to our rankings.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:29

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:30

You want me to go? Yeah, well, you know what? I'll go first since it was your movie call.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:34

Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:35

All right, so it's it's it's fucking weird, man, because you know me, I'm tough on everything. And we've all we've already done uh I think I already gave one A plus to Maltese Falcon, and then Network I gave an A plus to Yeah, and I hate to say it, man, but despite the few unintentionally funny moments in this movie, Quentin Tarantino said this is the best movie of the 2010s. I might I might expand that to this is the best movie of the 2000s, period. Yeah, I'm giving this movie an A, my brother. Yeah, this movie there there was just so much perfection. You know, the older movies, like like let's just say Maltese Falcon. It was a simpler time, the movies are simpler. The the camera angle, the way this was shot, the way this was acted, all these young actors perfectly done. It kept the story. You were never going, Oh, I'm getting tired, I'm getting bored, and it's all fucking dialogue. Yeah, yeah, and the bigger things it it touches on like this. Is a movie I'll go back and watch every five years because I feel like I'm gonna get something new. Yeah, it it it's a precursor to how the world has become right now. I couldn't believe us who's hitting me. I'm getting memories of all this stuff I used to do again, like like performing in colleges and having those kids goes, We're not on Facebook anymore. That's for our parents are. I'm like, oh God. But anyhow, uh it it just was way different than an experience. Experience than I expected, more than just seeing a movie. So A plus plus, if that's an even category, I'm creating it right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:07

There you go. Nice. Um, yeah, I uh I also went A plus for um network, and this like you nailed it, it's two hours of people talking. Like this should not be as good as it is, you know what I mean? Like, and it's so this could have failed in so many different ways, you know. Like this could have just been a complete tragedy of a movie. Um, and instead, for me, it's an A for sure. I mean, it's like I I agree. I this is one I need to revisit, you know, every few years just to see like how it's holding up. But um, I mean, there's just so many things that I found just just absolutely killer about it. Um, I'm sure the third time, the next time I go back and watch it, I'll probably be like, Holy shit, I didn't even buy I missed this whole subtext or this whole thing, but just absolutely incredible. Everything about it, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:00

And again, watching it and just thinking a bigger picture. I'm like, all this money these guys have at the end of the day, you're still just guys, yeah. Like you know, like Steve Jobs said, you know, you still get in the car, you can only have two, three meals a day, no matter what. Yeah, you can go buy islands or do you know what what what gets you what gets you going? You know, Mark Zuckerberg, I believe right now he's 44 years old, maybe 42. I mean, he's like, What? It feels like he's been around forever, he's only his mid-40s, mid to early 40s. It's like I I just would be fascinating. I'd love to see him watch this movie and say what's right and what's wrong along the line. I would just love I would love to be a it just made me want to be a fly in the wall to when it all actually went down. Yeah, how it all really went down.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:51

Yeah, that's crazy. The dude has been a he's he's been a billionaire for half of his life. I know, man. That's staggering, and you don't even count the first 18 years, so like like 85% of his adult life, he's been a billionaire.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:07

I mean insane. Sitting in your sitting in your car, going to bed at night in your 20s, knowing you don't have to work. You you you you you'll never have to work. It just just boggles my mind. Because we are I we are put on this work, we are put on this earth to work. That's what we're put on earth to do, and all of a sudden that's you that's not something you need to do. It's like, whoa, well, what do you do? What gets you going, you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:52:34

Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, and then like nobody in his family's like I mean, for the next 300 years has to work, you know what I mean? It's not like just him, it's just like dude, this is yeah, it's incredible, but yeah, great, great movie. Um, and a fun, uh really fun rewatch for me for sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:54

Absolutely. All right, well, we'll get to my movie for next month. Oh, by the way, this is a century a movie podcast where we switch movies between pre-1980 and post-1980. Every uh month we alternate, and uh, pick the old movies, Chris picks the new movies. So, for next, I'm curious to see if you've ever seen this movie or even heard of it. I'm I'm really I'm trying to debate whether I think you have or not. Okay, but but it's not the obvious choice. We've just hit two pretty hardcore ones in a row.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:25

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:25

So we are gonna go. I forget the exact year, but murder by death.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:31

Oh shit. I definitely never saw that.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:35

I was wondering, I go, has he seen this or is he? I figured it was either one of those, oh yeah, dude, it's one of my favorites, or never heard of it. It was gonna be one of those two, I figured.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:45

Yeah, I mean, I'm in on the title. I mean, that's all right. I'll yeah, sounds good.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:50

Very, very niche movie. Uh, my dad made me watch, not made me watch it, but my dad turned me on to it. I watched it with him when I was a kid, and uh it's 70s, 1970s. And uh, so I won't say anything more about it, but I wondered if you if that was in your wheelhouse or not.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:04

But no, I must I missed that one.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:06

Uh certainly a change of pace from the ones we've just watched.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:10

Yeah, which is good. That'll be good.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:12

Oh, yeah, yeah. All right, well, this is uh Johnny Cardinelli, and you are Chris Wivel. And this is a century of movies podcast. We thank you for listening. Please like, subscribe, send us uh an email. You can find us at social medias, both of our names right there, all of our social medias are right there. And uh leave us a rating five stars, please. We'd love it. If you have any comments, please send us comments too. Comment on the videos, and we'll see you next month later.