Ep 20 - 15 year Idea, 3 Days to Build: The Sunny Beer App Story

What if you could find the perfect sunny spot for a beer anywhere in the world?

This week on Chat on Tap, David sits down with Richard Hatcher - the creator of Sunny, a web app designed to help you track down pubs with beer gardens, outdoor seating, and even plan your next pub crawl.

From a throwaway idea in London to building a working app using ChatGPT (with zero dev background), this is a story about creativity, curiosity, and just giving something a crack.

You can check the web app here - https://sunnypubs.app/ 

Recorded over a couple of cold ones at the Bob Hawke Beer & Leisure Centre in Marrickville. 

• 15 Years -> 3 days
  Richard first had the idea for Sunny while living in London and chasing rare moments of sunshine and a cold beer. It stuck in the back of his mind for over a decade before he finally acted on it. 
• Building an App Without Being a Developer
  With no coding background, Richard used ChatGPT to bring the idea to life, learning how to prompt properly, iterate, and think like a builder. 
• From Concept to Reality
  While spread out over time, the actual build only took around 3 days of focused work, showing how accessible building something has become. 
• What Sunny Actually Does
  A global map-based app that helps you find pubs with outdoor seating, beer gardens, and even auto-generates pub crawls based on your location. 
• Creative Projects vs Business Pressure
  Richard shares why he’s intentionally kept Sunny as a passion project (for now), focusing on building something he personally enjoys rather than rushing monetisation. 

Tapped In (Recommendations):

•  Queens Wharf Hotel (Newcastle) — waterfront pub with unbeatable views 
•  MONA (Hobart) — outdoor lawn beers overlooking the river 
•  Bowling clubs transforming greens into beer gardens — a win for communities 

Beers:

•  American Amber Ale (Bob Hawke Beer & Leisure Centre) 
•  Patio Pale (Bob Hawke Beer & Leisure Centre) 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to this episode of Chat on Tap. And you know what? We are drinking beers, but we're also going a little bit techie because my guest today is Richard Hatcher. He is the founder of Sunny, which is a web app that I want to hear so much more about. It'll make sense in just a tick, I promise. Richard, thank you so much for making the train journey down to Sydney from Newcastle.

SPEAKER_00 0:20

Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_01 0:21

And thanks for having a beer with me. Cheers to you.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

Cheers, man.

SPEAKER_01 0:24

Um I should say we're at um the Bob Hawks Beer and Leisure Center in Marrickville. Um we picked a kind of their new sunny backyard location. I'm having the American Amber Al, you're having the patio pale. Well, cheers. Have a little sip.

SPEAKER_00 0:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:39

Because you'll start talking and then you won't get another drink for for any amount of time.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

That's not the worst thing.

SPEAKER_01 0:45

Alright, Richard, if someone was to if you were to introduce yourself to someone, how would you answer?

SPEAKER_00 0:51

Richard? Yeah from New As discussed. Um from New. I work in marketing, like to tinker with things um online, and uh recently decided to give this app a go and it's going all right so far.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Okay, alright. So now the app, which I it it sings to my heart, right? And you go, I'd love to have a beer in the sunshine, I think, which is very a very Australian thing to want to do, maybe a global thing. So like explain the app quickly and then explain where it came from.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

Yeah, I mean you pretty much nailed it. It's um it came about because I love to have a beer in the sun. Um beer outside, even if it's not sunny.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:32

Um, and it's not always that easy to find. So, you know, especially if you're visiting a place or you're new, um, or you just want to try somewhere new, but you want to be outside. So um yeah, I just kind of gave it a go and and put it together and uh basically it lets you check out on the map, you know, map around you or map wherever you want to wherever you want to look at it works all over the world. You can zoom in and find find different places with beer gardens or outdoor seating. And you can plan pub crawls as well. So yeah, yeah. So you can it it'll it'll plan a pub crawl for you or you can map your own out.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

So so when you say it plans it for you, what what's involved in that?

SPEAKER_00 2:09

Stap a button, man, and it and and it just sort of chucks four places at you. You go, uh like you know, we're in Marrickville now, so you might say I want to want to visit um four pubs in Marrickville, hit the button and it spits out for locations with beer guns. Or you can choose to not get places with beer guns as well in Pop Cruel. Oh, okay. Because, you know, it might get dark.

SPEAKER_01 2:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:32

Cold, rainy.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

Yeah, yeah, fair. Yeah, there's there's a whole winter part of the world. So where did the idea of this app came come from?

SPEAKER_00 2:39

Ages ago, I was living in London and you know, smartphones were pretty new, and we were just sort of probably having a beer in the sun, I think. And and and it's uh it can be a rare, rare moment in London to have a have a beer in the sun. Yeah, you know, um, and we were just like, oh man, it'd be great if there was like a an app on your phone that you could just find a place to have a beer in the sun. And it'd been sort of in the back of my head for a long time, and I'm not really I'm not a developer, you know, um, so I couldn't do it. Um I'm too late, too, too lazy to learn. So um, yeah, like I just um sort of thought I'd give it a go, chat JPT one day, and it and it worked.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

Okay, I want to come back to how you actually built it. But talk to me about that time in London or or for someone who's never lived in London, because there's this sense of um I've learned from people who are you know from England or from London, there's this idea that uh that we take for a granted in Australia where if the sun's out, we're all going to the pub. We're knocking off early, we're going to the pub. Like it's manager's discretion. Everybody out, we're going to the going for a beer on the street.

SPEAKER_00 3:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

How do you, as an Australian, how do you explain that to someone who's never lived in London? That su the sunshine beer culture, I suppose, or connection.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

I feel like it's it's the same, but on steroids over there, because it's those it's it's rarer, and and you know, the the urge is the same. Everyone, everyone who's lived in London knows that it's like the sun's out, you're gonna go find a spot in the sun in a park or in a in a beer garden or wherever, and you're gonna go and just have a few beers or a few ciders or wines, whatever. And but it's like it's this sort of flick that switches in in people's minds. As soon as the sun's out, they're gone, and they're in the park or in the pub. And it's it's even more than here.

SPEAKER_01 4:25

And then and I suppose because as well, like the summer is almost shorter, but then you get so much more, right?

SPEAKER_00 4:31

Like Yeah, that's right. It stays light longer in into the evening, and you know when it's been raining for a long time and then the sun shines, it's that in London, you know, because it all drizzle for days and then the sun comes out, and you're like, shit, yeah, let's go, let's go get on, you know. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:47

You know, someone who enjoys a weekend froth or an afterwork froth. Uh what about what happens in London in the middle of the year? Like when it's winter. What does that look like?

SPEAKER_00 4:59

Uh it didn't look a lot different. It was just moved indoors. Although I was a smoker at the time, so I would just be loitering outside the door with a with a smoke and a pint and and and uh just doing the same thing but colder, less comfortable. Yeah. How long were you in London for? Uh a couple of years. Yeah. Just did the typical Aussie thing, you know. The two year visa. Yeah, exactly. Went over there, did my thing, and and sort of stayed until they kicked me out, kinda. Yeah, that was a while ago now though.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

Well, yeah, what were you saying how many years were you saying before? Enough.

SPEAKER_00 5:30

I guess you don't want to go to it was actually it was like 2009, 2010, something like that.

SPEAKER_01 5:37

A little over somewhere between 15 and years ago.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

But I think like you said, like that there was this time where there must be an app for that.

SPEAKER_00 5:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

We've almost stopped saying that now, right?

SPEAKER_00 5:47

Like, because there is an app for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 5:51

Talk me through. You you've had this this idea bubbled away, and it would be nice for someone to be able to, or or for somewhere that you could go to have a look and go, right, I need to find a sunny spot for a beer, I want to know who's got a beer garden, I want to know who's got a rooftop. You're not a developer. I mean, did you have years where you thought that you might seek out a developer, or was it you just waited until there was a moment that you could do it yourself?

SPEAKER_00 6:14

No, honestly, man, I think I forgot about it for a long time. Yeah, right. Yeah. Uh it would maybe pop into my head every now and then. Um, but for the most part, I it just wasn't really a a uh a thing, you know. It's sort of then one day I was just sort of trying to think of a project. Do you know just kind of something to keep myself busy and I was like just I was like, I remember this, I remember this idea, yeah, and um maybe I can make that happen. So yeah, gave it a go.

SPEAKER_01 6:44

What was the what were in the short list of projects?

SPEAKER_00 6:47

Um it was probably either that or going for a beer. Right? Yeah, I don't I I don't think I had I don't think I went with with such a a structured approach to that particular uh moment. Yeah, I think I I think it was it was probably just sort of do I do this or do I go do something else?

SPEAKER_01 7:05

Yeah. And then okay, so you go, alright, I want to see if Chat G Chat GPT can can do this for me. Like for I think many people will have started toying with AI products. What did you where did you start? Like how did you how did you go, oh this can happen? Because I imagine it's not as simple as create me the app. Obviously there's a bit more work involved, but talk us through it.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

I I honestly just I asked it. Right. Yeah, I was like, could could you help me build this app? And of course I said yes, right. And I had the pay I paid version of Chat JPT, so you know, 20 bucks a month or whatever it is. I kind of learned you need to treat it like uh a really capable child. So yeah, you know, it's got all these insane skills, but it doesn't have the the ability to think and to to actually plan something out. So so you need to kind of approach it like uh really specific instructions, you know. So so once it told me like, yeah, you can do that, and this is it laid out kind of the the approach, it was a lot it was a few false starts. Yeah. I then I sort of started giving it just really strict and and compressed instructions, and it started coming together.

SPEAKER_01 8:20

So, what are the examples? What's a what's a false start look like? What's a good prompt look like?

SPEAKER_00 8:25

A false start would be like in this circumstance, it was like, can you help me build this? And it goes, like, yeah, I can do that, and then you're like, cool, so let's do it. And it does it, but it does it in this sort of like real contained app inside Chat GPT, you know, that you could yeah, you could you could sort of export and use maybe uh, but that's not useful to anyone. So so then it's like okay, take it back, but like how do I make this a thing that I could actually publish on an app store uh or or or get online? And that's when you realize, okay, I I've got to be a little bit more systematic in my instructions and lay out exactly the scenario I want, and then you know, what are the steps that that that I want to do? What is the feature? What does it look like for for a user? What does it look like for you know the uh the end product?

SPEAKER_01 9:22

So yeah, it's not as simple as just going, hey, build this and it will come. It's like it's not You're still spending a lot of a bit of time on this, right?

SPEAKER_00 9:32

Yeah, there's still sort of you know, going round and round and and you know getting shit output. But and I'm sure there's you know, there's probably gonna be a a developer watching this and going, yeah, this is bullshit. This is not a this is not a real app, you know. Yeah, and they're probably right, but but like you know, it's a it it is it is pretty amazing that like you can just you can just do that, you know, and and just gotta think through your your your prompt and it pretty much comes out what you want.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

So has it made you think shit, if you've got an idea, this this technology can help you.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, absolutely. Like really I think it does open up these these doorways for people to just kind of do whatever they want. They've got these ideas that they've been sitting on, or or they just come to them when they're you know in the shower and and they're like, Oh, I wish I could do that. It's like you you could just do it.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

Yeah, an idea that started over a beer.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:32

That you know, yeah, 15 years later is now a thing.

SPEAKER_00 10:35

Yeah, exactly. And and didn't take didn't really take 15 years to get there, it took, you know, probably all up, maybe like three days of work, you know, if you like like spread over a couple months, because it's like, you know, do an hour here and an hour there, yeah, but all up, it's probably you know, like yeah, 72 hours of work or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

And I mean this is still infancy stage, right? So like talk to where where we're at now, what we've got, what's coming.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

Yeah, yeah. So it is it is really basic at the moment. It is just it's just a web app, so I haven't launched it on on the app store yet. Um, but it's really you go in, you see the map, you see your your little icons that show you where there's a place, and then you tap on it, you see some details. Um, and then you can also, like I said, go in and create that pub curl. What's coming later? Uh I'm adding sort of little bits and pieces all the time. Like last night I added a little filter that shows you dog friend if place is dog friendly.

SPEAKER_01 11:32

Oh, awesome.

SPEAKER_00 11:33

So, you know, just little things like that, but then there's some bigger ideas coming later on as well, especially especially around the the pub curl functionality. So I'd love to make that a little bit more interactive between the you know, not too many people going on a pub crawl by themselves, yeah. Yeah, so so you know, I'd love to make it a bit of a group thing where people can can share with each other, share photos, share roots, that sort of thing. Um so some some stuff there I think will will come pretty soon.

SPEAKER_01 12:01

What about like would you would you look at social meetups? Like here is a sunny endorsed pub crawl.

SPEAKER_00 12:09

Yeah, no, that's so that's that's definitely something looking at as well as is sort of you know, for lack of a better word, like a curated list of pub crawls um that that are just like pre-made, ready to go, or also like user-generated pub crawls, so you could share your pub crawl and other people can go check it out as well.

SPEAKER_01 12:26

Have you uh um have you like you know passed it on to people, friends and family? Has there been a moment of feedback back being like this is awesome?

SPEAKER_00 12:35

Yeah, you've had uh had a few few good pieces of feedback. Um I've kept the circle fairly tight at the moment. Um this is the first first time it's gone beyond you know sort of the the inner circle.

SPEAKER_01 12:47

Well I can tell you the uh the listenership is pretty down, so it's not like the circle's going that much wider, but like it's wider than my than my uh frame group though.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

Um so but yeah, no, there's been there's been really positive feedback. Um plenty of suggestions for features as well. So sort of got a got a good little list of ideas from that people have um thrown at me as well, which you know some of them I politely say thanks and others I I I do bank up and and think I might might implement, you know.

SPEAKER_01 13:17

Well, because I suppose you'd be get you'd you'd get given all this feedback and and yes, let's say ten ideas are really good, you can't do that overnight. I mean, as it turns out, ChatGTV will help, but probably you still can't necessarily do that right. So are you just kind of going, let's prioritize what we should do next.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

Yeah, yeah, kind of. And and because it is just like a little yeah, it's a project that I'm doing in my spare time. Sometimes it's just the things that I like the idea of. Yeah, it's like it's like, oh, you know, if I'm using this app, would I want this functionality? Yeah, cool. I'm gonna do that then.

SPEAKER_01 13:51

Yeah, well you've got a you've got a dog, so I'd like to know if it's dog friendly.

SPEAKER_00 13:55

Yeah, yeah. So exactly. So it's things like that, you know, like um it's a little bit of a selfish project in some ways, I guess, because because yeah, I'm like, that's what I want. But if we get to the point where we start to get a good number of users, I I think we'll um we'll start to build out a little bit more of a diverse group of features that that more people will be happy with than just myself.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But but are you finding like even even in you know this is infant stage, uh like you said, if as it gets to this stage, we'll build out, and then you look at you know things like monetization and business and all that sort of stuff. Uh for the moment, is this just this really cool creative fulfilling project?

SPEAKER_00 14:32

Yeah, there's a little bit of that. Like, you know, um I think everyone, everyone kind of sometimes you know, with work, with our jobs, we feel a little bit bit stark or or whatever, and and having something outside of that's really important. Um so having having this thing that I can just build on on my terms, on my time, um, you know, with with my own ideas, it's it is definitely a a sense of fulfillment and achievement, you know, even if it even if uh it it sort of something like this if you start it up and it goes nowhere, it can be very much uh about you know just just feeling that sense of something.

SPEAKER_01 15:10

Like for everyone who's probably all of us who've had those moments of going, I've got an app idea, or I've got you know, I've got a business idea or or whatnot, do you have any kind of experience to offer those people in terms of a mindset?

SPEAKER_00 15:25

Um no as a bad answer, but I I I think you know, like I said, this has very much been a project about that I wanted to do for myself. I I haven't approached it as business at all. Um you know, I've I've really sort of just just focused on building something that I think I would like using, and I hope other people like using it as well. And maybe with any luck, I'll have to treat it like a business at some point. Yeah. And and but but for me, you know, I I it's that old like you know, you want your hobbies to stay your hobbies kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Yeah, oh yeah, I get that.

SPEAKER_00 16:04

Um so so whilst in an ideal world, maybe it'll help pay the mortgage in some way or something, right? But if it stays as a little hobby project, then I'm fine with that. So I haven't really approached it as a business. And I and I I think you know, if you if you do that too early, uh with something like this, it probably puts a bit too much pressure on it, yeah. In some ways. Yeah. Unless you're gonna throw heaps of resources at it, which I I haven't, you know. I've done it with my$20 a month chat JPT and my my you know$700 laptop that you know can pretty much only do that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:40

I feel that with um, you know, hobbies, you know, you just want to be hobbies, but um still open for sponsorship for the podcast. Uh you can email us at hello at channeltup.com is there a particular uh uh uh love for beer in a sense, like where did where did that come from? Or is it is it for you? Is it always just been the let's be outside and be social?

SPEAKER_00 17:05

No, I do I do love beer. Yeah. Um and I and I I really enjoy you know trying new beers in different places and trying different types of beers. So, you know, it's great to be that we're doing it here in Marrickville with so many breweries that that you know might stop into one or two later on and try a different different beer they haven't tried, you know. Um so so yeah, it definitely came from uh probably both sides um of that question. Like love, love beer, love having a beer. It's a I feel like it's a great social exercise.

SPEAKER_01 17:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

If you're gonna do it and you can do it outside, I think you should.

SPEAKER_01 17:42

I agree, right? And that's the luxury we have in Australia.

SPEAKER_00 17:44

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:46

Um we're gonna move quickly to uh tapped in, which is the segment of um recommendations. Uh I have to say, two weeks ago we had Matt, who's also from Newcastle, and you are wearing the hat of one of his recommendations to Shout.

SPEAKER_00 17:59

Yep, so I won't I won't include that in my list, but I will I will give him a I will give him I will give him a little shout out. I do do love the guys at Shout. They they treat us very well and live around the corner from there. So we're we're there a little bit more than we probably should be.

SPEAKER_01 18:13

No, you're not there enough.

SPEAKER_00 18:15

I looked at my uh I looked at my banking app not too long ago and you know how it sort of you can break down your spending patterns. Uh I looked at my uh where I've spent the most money in the last 12 months and shout one by a country mile, I'll tell you, more than more than the supermarket or the or the servo.

SPEAKER_01 18:33

I just I've just had an idea, right? Because a lot of because this sort of thing, this that's the sort of discretionary spending that could stop you know a young person trying to buy a house or something. Yeah. So a brewery should call themselves investment brewing. And then all your um bank statement says is investment, investment, investment, investment. They're gonna be a good thing. And the mortgage brokers are looking at it. Oh, this guy is oh he's spending a lot of he's putting a lot of money into an investment. It's switched on. Yeah. He knows what he's done on this guy. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Except he's putting it into a double IPA.

SPEAKER_00 19:03

Um that sounds like uh like an ETF or something though.

SPEAKER_01 19:09

Yeah, the ETF IPA here, same number of letters. Alright, Rich. Um tapped in, what what would you like to recommend?

SPEAKER_00 19:18

Well, talking about selling beers and and and being out outside. So, you know, uh being from Newey, I will recommend uh an a New E institution, which is uh Queenswharf Hotel. Okay. Um formerly known as Queenswharf Brewery. So I always call it the brewery, and and people get confused because that's not what it is and they don't make beer. Um but it's a great you're not gonna get it get a much of a crappier selection there, but you're right on the harbour, sitting over the harbour. It's just a it's just a very nice spot to watch the uh watch the coal tankers come by in Troy the environment.

SPEAKER_01 19:59

But to be real, like um I've had this I've had this strange thing with Newcastle in my my life where I'd been trying to do like a weekend away. Like I I tried to get a weekend away around the COVID years with my wife as just a like it's two hours up the road. I hear Newcastle's great for like beer, um, it's sort of done done this gentrification, and also I just low-key wanted to sit somewhere where I could look at look at the port.

SPEAKER_00 20:23

Well, yeah, the Queensworth Hotel is your is your option.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

Right. I had to and see this thing, I had to Google that myself, and I could never quite find, but now I have it.

SPEAKER_00 20:33

You know, yeah, yeah, so so that that's that's uh a new E classic recommendation. Yep. We've just got back, well not just, a couple months ago, got back from a trip to Hobart. Yep. And I'm gonna recommend the I don't know if it's a big it's not really a big one, it's like a lawn at Mona.

SPEAKER_01 20:49

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

Have you been to Mona? Oh, that which is the uh gallery.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

The gallery, yes. Now I've not been to Tasmania, right? But everyone tells me Tasmania is unbelievable.

SPEAKER_00 20:58

Amazing, yeah. We had an incredible time, and Mona is is just something else, right? And they've got a really nice lawn with a stage, and you can get some beers there and sit out in the sun under the umbrellas, and uh yeah, that was overlooking the river there. It's beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 21:17

As an outdoor special, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:20

It was yeah, because you're also sort of you're also kind of like soaking in all this art that you've just seen and and really, you know, interesting and diverse art and and just you know, you sit there and with a beer in your hand and contemplating what you've just seen in the sun, the Tassie sun, you know, which is maybe a bit like London, a bit of a a treat. Maybe we got quite lucky with the weather, I think, down there. But um, yeah, like it's um for me that was a really, really special spot to have a beer. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 21:53

Is it three? You can do as many as you like. Well, let's do three. Third one is just a general, general uh uh one shout out for all the bowling clubs that are doing the can converting one of their greens into a you know a beer garden yeah like the picnic table yeah yeah yeah I just love that change so much I think it's uh you know such a good use of space you get kids dogs running around they get you know DJs out in that space and picnic tables it's just such a welcome change yeah I think it's uh you know it's it's good for them it's good for communities that bowling clubs thrive and um and you know it's good for for us that we've got options.

SPEAKER_01 22:35

Okay hang on I've just cottoned on you're not speci you're not shouting out a specific bowling club no the shouting out change that we're saying clubs. Okay you're the first one who's given a a um a philosophical recommendation but no but I agree because I I was about to jump in as well to to add the right next to me is the Gladesville Sporties right has almost done away with the greens entirely.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

Right?

SPEAKER_01 22:58

And I mean part of the club is getting a refurb as well but in that moment where they just put picnic tables out on the green that they weren't using anymore I was like you've just doubled your outdoor space. 100% because their previous outdoor space was just kind of like a little like brick patio.

SPEAKER_00 23:14

The traditional bowling club or sporty club outdoor space is is like generally pretty sad. But then suddenly you've got this huge green space and it's it's awesome. It's just such a great change.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

One suggestion though more umbrellas I'd agree when when Glazeville started theirs I was like you are literally just putting a hundred people out in the blaring sun.

SPEAKER_00 23:36

Yeah yeah yeah I I think it must be a work in progress because they don't they do generally seem to be sort of 50% of tables got an umbrella the other 50% you're just you're you know really getting getting a melanoma really aren't you yeah yeah yeah yeah and will you do naught of as that no no sounds like no okay I love that um you've given me what I needed in Newcastle you've given me a philosophical philosophical place and then oh and Mona and Mona yes uh and you've given us Mona down in Tassie which I hear nothing but reasons to go down there so I think that you're doing God's work in uh making sure that the people can see where to go get a sunny beer from well thank you I I I uh it's a very um flattering thing to say um yeah no and thanks for having me on um if anybody wants to go check out the app um just hit up visit.sunnypubs dot app and yeah take a look and and have a look around and yeah share with your friends.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

Yeah and we will of course um do any of those links and stuff in the show notes and uh pass on any of the social details and uh I think the important part here is this is like you know we're I I I maybe asked you on a little early we're like join the ride we're at the start here like yeah let's see where this is this is going from yeah but I think what is great is that uh the the very nature of the way that you have built this is that it is available globally anyway. Yeah right so it's like it's just that there's more to come. You can use this worldwide now.

SPEAKER_00 25:11

Yeah absolutely and that was actually a bit of an accident I I I think I specifically told ChatGPT to limit it to Australia and I sent it to uh a friend in Sweden and he's like oh it works in my tiny town tiny town in Sweden which has one place and I was like oh really and then we looked in in other places and sent it to some friends other friends around the world and they're like yeah yeah this is right it does work everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 25:35

Oh fantastic so that's awesome yeah all right well go check it out Richard Hatcher thank you so much thanks for having me mate I appreciate it uh Sunny it's called Sunny sunny though yeah yeah I think yeah yeah we're calling it Sunny which I like because that's the name of my cat uh thank you so much for joining us thanks man thanks for having me