16. Ho-No-No: A Holiday Guide to Getting Gifting Wrong

This week Katy and Justin unwrap the chaos of holiday gifting—self-gifts, re-gifts, bad gifts, $600 table lamps, and Dr. Ruth’s shockingly bold “best gift you can give yourself.” Plus, the viral turkey trot prank that divided the internet…and this podcast.

Transcript

Holiday Gifting Kickoff

Speaker 0:00

She's Katy Montgomery. He's Justin Joseph. These best friends are serving subpoenas to bad advice weekly with Wrong Way Forward. Now, here's Katy and Justin.

Justin Joseph 0:11

Hey everybody, welcome to this week's episode, episode 16 of Wrong Way Forward. I'm Justin Joseph here along with Katy Montgomery. We are so excited to be ringing in the holiday season with you all. Um last week we talked about engagements because that's big in the holiday season. And this week we're going to talk about gifting, because of course Katy gifting is a huge part of the season.

Katy Montgomery 0:31

It is, and it's my love language, Justin. So I really, really love gifting. So we're going to talk about gifts you can give yourself. We're going to talk about the concept of re-gifting. And then we're probably in our last block, um, you know, we're going to be talking about a gift that's really maybe kind of mean. So we'll be addressing all of those during this episode.

Justin Joseph 0:50

You know what I think we should also do in the future is you need to have a Katy's gift list, a holiday favorite thing. So that would be a great episode because do you are you one of these people who go out throughout the year and this is how I

Smart Shopping And Early Wrapping

Justin Joseph 1:02

am. I will see something and think that'll be a great Christmas gift in seven months. And I'll think about it throughout the season.

Katy Montgomery 1:08

I do, but I'm actually a smart shopper. Um I take after my mother. So I hit sales throughout the year and see things and purchase them. And I have a really big plastic rubber-made tub in my um basement that I put those gifts in, and then I sit down kind of after Thanksgiving and take inventory, make sure everyone's taken care of and do all the wrapping. Um, so um for those people, some people might be impressed by me, some people might hate me, but I have completed all of my shopping and everything is wrapped and under the tree.

Speaker 1 1:40

Is it? You are also traveling.

Katy Montgomery 1:41

I am traveling.

Speaker 1 1:42

So you had to get this done before.

Katy Montgomery 1:44

Exactly. Um, but I love it. Um, I love buying gifts, I love seeing people open gifts, I love trying to pick up little tidbits about what people find interesting. Um, and I just I love Christmas time. I think it's a lot of fun. So it's and it's particularly fun now that we're getting to podcast and engage with listeners during the holiday season.

Justin Joseph 2:03

So is there any best gift you can give us? I'll tell I'll tell one gifting story, and then maybe you can give us your best gift idea this year without giving it away. I don't know. This episode here is within a couple before Christmas.

Katy Montgomery 2:16

Yes, before Christmas.

Justin Joseph 2:18

So um Josh Banker, God love my husband, is not a great gift giver. And meaning that he's just not someone who puts a lot of thought beforehand into it, and so he will go out on one day and he just buys in one day. And so uh one of our biggest fights uh one year was that he came with um presents wrapped under the tree, and I opened one, and it was

Best And Worst Gift Stories

Justin Joseph 2:38

um those little lamps you put on tables that light the table. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Katy Montgomery 2:42

Oh, I love those. I think those are brilliant.

Justin Joseph 2:44

This was like five minutes after they were out. We went to this fancy new restaurant, and I commented how much I loved them. And so those ended up on our tree. And of course, when I looked at the prize tag, they were like $600. So I lost my mind. And I was like, you know, that's way too much to spend on table lamps. So the table lamps went back, and um, anyway, it's a running joke in our family now because I'm like, just give me table lamps again because now you can buy them for $12. But anyway, that's my best holiday uh gift story. But I do try and think throughout the year of things. He'll make comments and I'll think about things. And um, we do one gift for me, I can buy myself one thing, one gift for you, I can buy you something, and then one gift for us.

Katy Montgomery 3:21

Oh, I think that's really cute. And I and I do love this kind of I was actually just with my hairdresser. And anyone watching this on video, my hair really looked fantastic. Justin even commented, but now I'm wearing these big old headphones and it's just completely ruined. I mean, it's kind of like, what's the point? Talking to my hairdresser, and I do love this idea of you know having experiences, particularly when your kids get to be a certain age, is giving for Christmas an experience together and gifting that. Um, I love the idea of that. I think that's you know absolutely fantastic. And this isn't necessarily a Christmas gift, but um, I do have a good friend um who's um her parent, her her mother and all of their siblings, when their parents passed away, they put together a travel fund. It was aside from everything kind of as part of the estate, and they, you know, manage the money in this travel fund, and the family can get together and go on a trip, all expenses paid. And it is a great way. So no one says, Well, I can't afford it this year, or I'm out because you know, we're on a tight budget, and it really brings the family together and it allows everyone to kind of participate. And I thought that was a wonderful gift and something very thoughtful and a way to kind of keep the family together through experiences kind of after they're passing. It's one of the most beautiful things um I've ever seen. And I'm hoping once my parents' estate closed, that we were able to do something similar that can pass on to the next generation.

Justin Joseph 4:55

I love that. You guys have always been so thoughtful about that kind of stuff, so I love that. I want to hear what the best gift you ever got, but first I'm going to tease. We're not gonna bore everybody with Christmas gifts. This this we are gonna be talking about what Dr. Ruth, yes, the famous former Dr. Ruth, who's passed, God bless her soul, what she said the best gift you can give. But before that, um I'll speak about one of my most memorable gifts I ever

Experiences And Family Travel Funds

Justin Joseph 5:17

got. Was I remember when I was young and I wanted a hamster more than I wanted anything. And my brother had killed a hamster, I don't know if he didn't feed it or whatever, but it was they were absolutely forbidden in our house after that. And we used to do C C D Remember, um Sundays you go to C C D and um we were supposed to write a letter to God of what we wanted for Christmas. I wrote this beautiful, of course, but very eloquent letter about wanting a hamster. And my mother found that letter, and I woke up Christmas morning to a maze and ended up in her closet, and there was my hamster.

Speaker 4 5:45

Oh, true.

Justin Joseph 5:46

And that hamster lived for two and a half years until it got into my room. The one new piece of furniture they ever bought got into her couch and ate her couch, and it was not a good uh memory of the ending of the hamster. But anyway, that was my good gift story. What about you?

Katy Montgomery 6:00

Justin, what was your hamster's name? I'm sure it was fantastic.

Justin Joseph 6:04

I actually had two. I I took such good care of one because, as I said, I'm an huge animal lover, and so I took such good care of them. Um they both lived till the end of their life. One was Mickey because Tony Basil's oh Mickey. Oh Mickey, you're so fine, you're so fine, you're both hey Mickey. That one. That was my first LP, too. Like, and I think like a virgin. Anyway, so that one was named Mickey, and the second one was named Buster.

Katy Montgomery 6:33

Oh, Buster's cute for a hamster. I like that.

Justin Joseph 6:36

Yeah, they were both good, good pets. I remember them both fondly. All right, your favorite gift, and then we'll get into Dr. Root's advice.

Katy Montgomery 6:42

So again, I'm sentimental. So I would think is my dad started a charm bracelet for me in 1990. It was two years before I met you, Justin, in college. Um, and it just had a little disc on it, um, and it had my monogram, and on the back it said Christmas 1990. And then he proceeded to kind of give me charms, and when I've traveled, I've purchased charms, and friends have given me charms. And um I even have a charm from when I um, you know, spent that six months in China, um, you know, from the professors I was working with. And so it's it's it's again just a sentimental piece, and it's just so nice to kind of look down at it and um and remember my dad and how thoughtful he was and kind of creating kind of an heirloom piece that I hope, you know, that I can pass down for generation to generation.

Justin Joseph 7:29

It's so funny you mentioned I remember your charm brace in college. You had it, it was gold, and you had probably 20-ish charms on it. So that's the one you're talking about.

Katy Montgomery 7:38

It is, and I remember when I was I was dating someone, and he'd be like, every time you walk around the corner, I think it's a dog. It'd be like jingle, jingle, jingle, like you know, and I was like, get over it. Of course, he never gave me a single charm to put on it. So it was just a terrible match.

Justin Joseph 7:55

Neither did I. Anyway, all right. Well, I'm gonna buy you a big microphone.

Speaker 4 8:00

There we go.

Justin Joseph 8:01

All right, on to more interesting things. God, I don't know how we can contribute to this, but we're gonna do our best to try. Um, the when we thought about the episode on gifting, I I did a search on what are the greatest gifts you can give to yourself. And Dr. Ruth came up, and this was her quote, and so we're gonna talk about this again. Also, just to remind you that we do have our text line. Uh, if you have thoughts on this as we go through it or you have a

Dr. Ruth’s “Greatest Gift” Claim

Justin Joseph 8:23

favorite gift or memory, you can text us at 720-251-4450. Again, 720-251-4450. Um, but Dr. Ruth's advice was this: have as much sex as you can in your lifetime, especially when you're still able to. Do it when you're young at age. In my age, I'm sorry, I'm not able to engage in it as much as I could when I was younger, but that's my best advice. Give yourself as much sex as possible. It's the greatest gift you can give yourself. Your thoughts.

Katy Montgomery 8:52

Well, let's just say I haven't been getting that gift lately. Um and the gift well is very dry.

Justin Joseph 9:04

Well, I did not to gross it be out, but did say if you're older, you have to use a luberkin, which I just disgusting.

Speaker 4 9:16

Don't ever use that word again.

Justin Joseph 9:18

You hate the moist word.

Speaker 4 9:19

Don't disgust it. We were, I was at, you know, listen to this.

Katy Montgomery 9:25

I was at Costco the other day and they had some kind of like moist eye wipe, eye solution, and I was walking by and I went, the word moist is disgusting. And this old couple looked at me and went, right on, it is nasty.

Justin Joseph 9:40

And they're probably having a lot of sex.

Katy Montgomery 9:42

I mean, probably. I mean, that means they're giving themselves the greatest gift.

Justin Joseph 9:47

The greatest gift.

Katy Montgomery 9:48

A fabulous holiday season for that.

Justin Joseph 9:50

Do you believe with the premise of it, the premise of it?

Katy Montgomery 9:54

So, you know, I first of all, I do think, um, and you know, probably gonna, you know, be a nerd here and kind of, you know, quote kind of the Harvard Grant study, which, you know, was the longest longitudinal study. Um, and it it did all kinds of things. Like it had people running on a treadmill, it took their blood, it interviewed their family members, and it was this group of men that had started at Harvard and kind of went through, and they said, you know, what was the biggest predictor of happiness? And it's the quality of your relationships. Um, and that's more than just a sexual, you know, kind of um love love or I guess not love relationship. But I do think, I think, yes, it's important. I think it is something that keeps couples together. I think it is good for your health. I think it is, you know, good for your relationship. I have kind of a strange story, but I remember watching Oprah, and Oprah had somebody on and they said something like, you know, we surveyed blah, blah, blah, many people. And we said, Would you rather have a great night of sex or a great night of sleep? And I was sitting next to my mom and she just blurted out, Great night of sleep. Just about died. So I do know as Justin, you know, we're in our early 50s, you know, and you know, I don't really talk about this much with the opposite sex, except my gay guy friends. But um, I do know that most of my friends, it has slowed down. And I don't, I don't think that's maybe a lack of want. It's more of exhaustion and things are moving, and you have children and you're juggling a lot of things. And so at the end of the day, you really do kind of crave the sleep. So I think, you know, Dr. Ruth's, you know, her profession was being a sex psychologist. And I think the way that she got attention and viewers was to shock. And I think saying something like that, and probably my guess is that was the 80s, was it had some shock value. But um, but I, you know, if that is what people are wishing for on their holiday list, I hope Santa comes through for them.

Justin Joseph 11:54

That's true, and it's a gift you can give yourself and you never have to leave the house. So we'll talk about that and more on the other side. We'll be right back after this.

Katy Montgomery 12:05

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Justin Joseph 12:13

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Katy Montgomery 12:18

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Speaker 12:28

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Aging, Desire, And Relationship Health

Speaker 12:30

Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katy and Justin Podcast.

Justin Joseph 12:34

Hi, everybody. Welcome back to Wrong Way Forward. This week's we're talking about gifting, gifts you give yourself, gifts you give your other your other person, your friends, and then in the and we'll also talk about re-gifting and would love your thoughts on that. Of course, you're always welcome to join the show. Text us at 720-251-4450. You can all also email us at wrongwayforward podcast at gmail.com. Of course, we don't get those texts and emails until sometime after the show airs, but we always look at them and then we'll talk about them on the other side. And we'll do a little bit about that in our um later this break about last week's show. When we first left, we were talking about Dr. Roos' advice that you should have as much sex as you can. It's the greatest gift you can give yourself. And we were talking about how as people age, that just doesn't happen as much. And we were, you know, one of the memories I have of my parents who, you know, they're they're they're very big Catholics, you know, Catholicism, sex is a huge part of a marriage. And so I remember my parents used to go to this thing called marriage encounter. Have you ever heard of it?

Katy Montgomery 13:32

I have, I've heard of marriage encounter.

Justin Joseph 13:33

So they were big marriage encounter people, and I'll never forget when they went to their first marriage encounter weekend, the priest said, Um, I think the and I'll I'll mess this story up, but my mother can weigh in, and this is not something that I have to edit out later. Um, but she said the priest said, What's the last the question he asked for in the room was, what's the last thing? If you learned you were dying the next day, what's the last thing you would do with your husband? And the priest said that should be sex. He said now I that pisses me off. Let me just say why. He said, he said, because sex between a married couple should be an act of God, basically. And so, you know, that was what he thought. And um, anyway, you're obviously not in that camp. Tell me more.

Katy Montgomery 14:13

Well, I mean, first of all, I just want to be like, fight the patriarchy was my first reaction to that. And I am also a Catholic, but I'm like, of course, a celibate priest would say that, right? Um, and you know, it's almost like separation of church and state. I gotta be like, I really just don't want the church in my bedroom, you know. Umsane. So those two reactions, and also I want to be like, couples have got to do what's right for couples. And if it's the end of the world, you know, they might want to pray together, they might want to go out and get rip roar and drunk, you know, they might want to go and fly on an airplane and go see their grandchildren. You know, who is I mean, just what a strange thing, and particularly from someone who is not married, who hasn't experienced a lifelong or a long-term intimate relationship, to give that advice. Fight the power patriarchy. I don't care for that.

Justin Joseph 15:04

I love it. And then the other thing I would recommend I would say is I do have friends who are in their 50s. Uh I shouldn't say friends, I have a friend and her couplehood. They have a lot of sex.

Speaker 15:15

Which is great.

Justin Joseph 15:16

And I mean, yeah, I mean, and I don't want to say they talk about it all the time, but I know they do. Well, she talks to me about it all the time. And I, you know, again, I don't think she listens to this podcast. She's a friend three or four removed. But uh, you know, I think I'm gonna get killed. I think one time she said she's exhausted, but she has to keep up with him.

Katy Montgomery 15:36

Well, I mean, to each their own. I we also have a mutual friend who's going through menopause who says if she watches a TV show and there's a makeout scene,

Is Sex Really The Top Self‑Gift

Katy Montgomery 15:47

she literally her reaction is ooh gross and she covers her eyes.

Justin Joseph 15:50

Oh, not me. I fast forwarded 10 seconds, and I am not menopause. I just don't need to see that.

Katy Montgomery 15:56

So it it varies. Each person is unique and different.

Justin Joseph 15:59

So do we agree or disagree that it's a wrong way forward, that the advice is the best gift you can give yourself is a lot of sex?

Katy Montgomery 16:06

I think it is for some people, and for other people, maybe not so much.

Justin Joseph 16:11

Yeah, I would just like tea lights instead or table lights next to bring me table lights instead. All right, so we're moving on to the best gift you can give other people on this topic where we're talking about regifting. What are your initial thoughts on regifting? Then we'll talk about some rules we found.

Katy Montgomery 16:27

Um, so I'm gonna be honest, I have regifted.

Justin Joseph 16:30

Okay.

Katy Montgomery 16:30

Um, and I don't have a problem with re-gifting. I have a problem with just being first of all, cheap people drive me crazy. I don't have a problem with people who um are um smart about their money, who are good investing, you know, who are deliberate in when, where, and how they spend their money. I think that that's that's smart. Um yeah, so we've we've joked that sometimes we see a ball of wine that someone brought to my house that might make it to the next person's house because you're just grabbing, you know, what's in your stash. Um, and so I mean, I think that's a version of re-gifting in a way.

Justin Joseph 17:09

I go ahead, sorry.

Katy Montgomery 17:10

No, I'm done.

Justin Joseph 17:11

I was saying, I think you can also like a true, truly good re-gift, you can say, I got this gift and I thought it was perfect for you. Or, you know, you can almost own it. You don't uh see your face. Thank God we started recording again because there's the Katy Montgomery face.

Katy Montgomery 17:27

I just why say that it's because it's authentic. Yeah, but I mean, nobody knows the better. I mean, like, I you know, I'm we're I'm gonna say again why I'm a bad Catholic. Like it's it's it's a lie of omission, which my mom reminded me on a very frequent basis was a lie. Um, but I just don't I don't think that's something that you need to share.

Justin Joseph 17:47

You're right. I don't know how it makes the other person feel better. I guess that's fair.

Katy Montgomery 17:50

Yeah.

Justin Joseph 17:51

I guess that's fair. I maybe uh, yeah, that's the wrong way forward. If we could just delete that out.

Katy Montgomery 17:56

But Justin, do you re-gift?

Justin Joseph 17:58

I do, but you know, I also am not that I I would. I can't think of a specific opportunity where I have. I don't gift a lot, period. You just

Regifting: Etiquette And Pitfalls

Justin Joseph 18:11

entirely the wrong way.

Katy Montgomery 18:13

You're just miserly, you're screwed, you're like bah um bug, you're the Grinch. Is that what you're doing?

Justin Joseph 18:18

Oh, but you know, like I don't have your large-sized family. I have some nieces and nephews on both sides, you know, but we're big cash givers anymore. And like that's what I wanted, that's what they want. Um and from people, you know, I've gotten some really bad my parents one year, my parents are great gift givers, so again, they're gonna kill me.

Katy Montgomery 18:38

You're not gonna get anything this Christmas.

Justin Joseph 18:40

And we always got one big thing, and like, yeah, the one year it was Broncos tickets, like that was amazing. And the next year, under a huge box under the tree, I'm like, oh my god, what is this? And we was a it was a steamer, like a clothes steamer, yes. And I was like, it was probably a very expensive steamer, but it was a steamer, and I'm like, okay, well, thank you. And that went back.

Katy Montgomery 19:02

Um that's like the year when my mom opened up a coffee maker and she was like, I work my ass off around here. I do everything. I'm the reason Christmas is even a holiday. She was bitching right and left, and then she opened up the kind of container to put the kind of coffee grounds in, and there was a diamond tennis bracelet. And my dad loved to surprise her that way. And I'm like, Do you feel like you're a total asshole right now? And she goes, No, not at all, because everything I just said was actually true.

Justin Joseph 19:32

I love that story. Oh my god, dude. This your mom's story is the best ones. Um, but anyway, I can't think of anything I've regifted. I have no problem with it. You know, when we first started talking about this episode, we talked about um some rules of regifting, and these were the ones that came up. Original packing packaging, well, of course, um, should not be unique, home, homemade, or personalized no S word. Um, you need to be 100% the person you're giving it to and the person who got it from are not connected. Yeah, that's pretty obvious too. And our favorite tip, you must genuinely believe the person received the gift um receiving the regifted item would appreciate it. And I think that's what you were talking about.

Katy Montgomery 20:09

Um, so Block C, what we're gonna talk about is a viral moment that some of y'all might have heard of coming off of Thanksgiving. And it's a family prank that really went wrong. And most of the internet is kind of saying this wasn't a kind of funny moment um or a way to induct someone in the family. Instead, this was bullying.

Justin Joseph 20:27

So when we I feel like your family would have totally pulled this prank.

Katy Montgomery 20:32

Justin, but my family's funny, and this is not a funny prank. But let me think Oh, go ahead.

Justin Joseph 20:38

Sorry. I thought it was funny, but we'll go. Go ahead, sorry.

Katy Montgomery 20:40

But should we talk about this when we come back from the break?

Justin Joseph 20:43

Yeah, we'll be back.

Katy Montgomery 20:44

Okay.

Justin Joseph 20:44

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Katy Montgomery 20:55

Enjoying this dumpster fire? Like, subscribe, and check back every Thursday for new episodes. Want us to roast your favorite piece of nonsense? Email us at wrongwayforwardpodcast at gmail.com. Be sure to include your contact info. We're not psychic, just judgmental. And now back to Wrong Way Forward. Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katy and Justin. And we're back. And we teased this a little bit, um, but what we're gonna be talking about is this famous prank that made um kind of a viral moment on the internet. And what happened was is um there was a family and there is a new fiance, one of their sons got engaged, and so the way to induct her into the family is to really say, we are the kind of family that is that does the turkey trot, and we're gonna do a 10K on Thanksgiving, and you better come and you better be prepared. And so this girl going into this family wants to impress, wants to participate, wants to be engaged, wants to be included as part of

The Turkey Trot Prank Debate

Katy Montgomery 22:00

the gang. And so she trains. She buys the tennis shoe, she takes the time, she uses her energy, which time and energy are a commodity, you know. There's not like you know, endless time and endless energy. And as they go, they're all in their turkey t-shirts, they've got her in a special outfit, they put the turkey hat on top of her head, and they go to take the kind of family photo before they go out for the race, and they go, surprise, we're not a turkey trot family at all. We never run. And her response was, Are you serious? And I think the thing about this is that the internet is going crazy saying, this isn't a prank, this isn't like an induction, this is hazing, this is bullying, and this is a really a mean way to kind of introduce her into the family. And I think what I think is really interesting is the family is dying laughing. They think it's about the funniest thing ever, and it really falls flat. Like if you're watching it, you don't laugh at all. It's actually actively not funny. But I'm wondering, Justin, like, what do you think about that? Do you think that that's the wrong way forward? Is that bullying? Is that cruel? Or is that just kind of all in good fun? It's a prank, you know, and it's like what we do to kind of just like we induct people into a fraternity or sorority, there's certain rites of initiation. Is this just a normal rite of initiation over the holidays?

Justin Joseph 23:23

Well, I look, I like I said, going to the break, I I could totally see your family doing something like this. Now, would they have let me go out and if you and I were getting married, would they and I was out training, would they have just let that happen? No. I mean, you know, just in my family's funny. I know, but like a week before they would have said, Hey, we're gonna do the turkey trap Saturday, bring your it's like it's well now I'm getting now this says everything. It's like mean girls when they invited her to the party and she showed up and she was dressed as a fucking ogre and everybody else had their slutty Halloween costumes on, and she walks in and felt totally out of place.

Speaker 4 23:56

Yeah.

Justin Joseph 23:56

So is it like that?

Katy Montgomery 23:58

Yeah, I mean it's it's pretty mean, and I think it I think kind of my takeaway is like we're in this giving season where we're supposed to be grateful and thankful, and it's like, why are we coming at it with this kind of main streak, this bullying, this pranking, you know? And it's like I think about myself, like the energy and resources are slim. I would be really ticked off and I'd spend all that time and energy.

Justin Joseph 24:25

I know, but I also that's what I'm saying. I mean, I think that that went too far. Um I'm trying to think. I'm trying to get this dumb phrase that comes to mind. Have you ever heard that phrase? It's the if if they ignore you, they don't love you, or better to be paid attention to. And I'm there's a phrase, and I asked Chat GTP what it is.

Katy Montgomery 24:46

Um I'll find it because that sounds like the wrong way forward. That sounds like the dumbest advice ever.

Justin Joseph 24:52

It's not coming to mind, and and it must not be great because Chat GPT's not coming up with it either. But it was like, you know, attention's a form of love. I mean, they're giving this girl attention, they are welcoming her into the family by making her feel part of the joke. You know, if it were me and it was that, I'd be like, great, well, you you fat people have a nice morning. I'm going to do the turkey trot, you know, and I'd have come back feeling um what are the what endorphined and all that.

Katy Montgomery 25:14

Yeah, but Justin, you're like 51, heading towards 52. Like, this is different when you're younger, you're going into a family, you want to impress. These are the people you're gonna spend the rest of your time with. In-laws, I mean, you know, how many movies have there been made about in-laws? I mean, meet the Falkers. I mean, you know, it's it's you know, a famous trope. And so I can understand her wanting to kind of impress and fit in. And what they did was they manipulated that, they took advantage of her sweetness, is what I think. And I think go ahead. Yeah, you go ahead. I want to hear it.

Justin Joseph 25:47

I was like, this is what we got to hear from the viewers. Uh text us your thoughts on this, 721-251, 720-251-4450, because I see your point. I also think we're taking this way too seriously. I bet this is a really fun family, and I'd love to spend time with them. Would you?

Katy Montgomery 26:04

No, I told you they're not funny, and they die laughing when they reveal the prank, and it just falls flat. And I have to tell you, most of the internet also thinks they're pretty boring. So I want you to check out the code.

Justin Joseph 26:16

Of course, I'm on the wrong side of this one once again.

Katy Montgomery 26:19

Once again.

Justin Joseph 26:20

Please save your viewer emails for Katy Montgomery. That's Katy Montgomery. No, I'm just kidding. So um, yeah, I don't think it's that big of a deal. Again, I don't like the fact that they let her train for it. That to me is not okay. I would have done this a week before and said, hey, we're doing the turkey trot, wear your best turkey outfit, and then let her walk in,

Kindness Over Pranks And Season Wrap

Justin Joseph 26:40

you know, for an initiation. I think that could have been cute, and then they all laugh and say, We don't actually do this or whatever. There were better ways to do it, probably, but I think it's shows love.

Katy Montgomery 26:50

Well, and I I disagree, but I do think the thing that we do have in common is that whether you are loving yourself, loving others, or just generally showing love, this is the season to do so.

Speaker 1 27:01

It is the season.

Katy Montgomery 27:02

Tis the season, and we have absolutely um, again, we are so grateful and we have loved being able to get to know the viewers, to spend time with y'all. Um, and it's been a great, great pleasure. Justin and I are going to take a break. Um, so we won't have a new episode on Christmas or New Year's, but we will be back on January the 8th with a recap of 2025, and then we will begin with new content for 2026, starting with January. I know, season two. It's it's time flies when you're having fun. Um, and so with that, we want to say thank you. We are so grateful. Um, and we'd love to continue to hear from you either by text, email, or on our social media platforms.

Justin Joseph 27:48

Happy holidays, everybody. All right, that's a wrap on this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward. Remember, the only thing worse than taking bad advice is giving it.

Katy Montgomery 27:58

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Justin Joseph 28:11

Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward.