21. Get Over Him or Get Under Someone Else? (A Housewives Debate)

Is there a respectful way to move on… or is getting under someone the fastest path forward?

This week on Wrong Way Forward, Katy Montgomery and Justin Joseph debate Real Housewives breakups, public rebounds, and whether discretion still matters when relationships end — especially when kids and paparazzi are involved.

The conversation spirals (naturally) into:

• Future faking — what it is, why it’s manipulative, and how to spot it
• Why promises without action are a dating and workplace trap
• Brutally honest breakup lines (and whether they’re clarity or cruelty)
• The difference between being honest and being harmful
• Enneagram 8s, Karen accusations, and Justin’s very strong opinions

They don’t agree — and that’s the point.

If you love messy debates, cultural hot takes, and roasting bad advice until it cries, this episode is for you.

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Transcript

Welcome And Reality TV Setup

Speaker 0:00

She's Katy Montgomery. He's Justin Joseph. These best friends are serving subpoenas to bad advice weekly with Wrong Way Forward. Now here's Katy and Justin.

Katy Montgomery 0:11

Hi, and welcome to Wrong Way Forward. This is a podcast where we roast the worst advice. I'm Katy Montgomery and I'm here with my best friend Justin Joseph.

Justin Joseph 0:20

Hi, everybody.

Katy Montgomery 0:21

Justin, you know what's been on my mind lately? Um I I'm kind of surprised that you're not a real housewives fan.

Justin Joseph 0:28

Um maybe we should just dive into that a little. What is it about the housewives that you and so many of my friends are obsessed with?

Katy Montgomery 0:35

Well, I think, first of all, I think it's it's interesting. I love that there's a diversity of housewives. Um I love that there's one in New York, there's one in Beverly Hills, there's one in Orange County, there's one in Salt Lake City. And I think it is mindless, you know, you're invested enough that you know the characters who stay on year to year and you kind of know the dynamic. And I've been watching enough of it that I kind of understand the algorithm, like how they bring, I guess, the drama to the table. But it's also mindless. Like I don't have to think, and I think particularly, you know, in our current climate, it's just a way for me to let go and just kind of say, tonight, the biggest issue is whether Dorit and Sutton are gonna get into a fight. And it's a way to escape my current life.

Justin Joseph 1:26

Is it real world of today? Is that a fair because I remember I used to watch real world.

Katy Montgomery 1:32

Oh, we all did, Justin. We were obsessed with it. Um, yeah, I mean, I would say it's that, but you have to imagine it's all female. It's usually a certain level of wealth. Um, and they throw them into certain situations where there's always one or two girl trips, there's always an event. There could be a gala, a fundraiser, a you know, luncheon in someone's Beverly Hills backyard. And it just kind of brings the drama and um and who's being triggered, who's responding, who's showing empathy, who's apologizing.

Justin Joseph 2:08

Yeah, my version of mindless television is any version of um a competition cooking show or a competition like Big Brother or Traders. But for me, as this will not surprise you, there needs to be a winner and a loser. That's where real housewives fails.

Katy Montgomery 2:24

No, there are winners and losers because I could tell you Andy Cohen will not renew your contract if you are not um agreeable and if the um audience does not approve nor cares for you. So there there

Housewives As Escapism

Katy Montgomery 2:40

are winners and losers. Okay. But what brings me to this topic is that I've been watching Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, and there are a number of main characters who have been through recent divorces or recent separations or in the middle of nasty divorces. And in more than one occasion, particularly Kyle Richards, um, she is not divorced, but they are separated. Her her ex, Mauricio, and then Dorite, um, her ex PK. And then even, you know, they've brought back um um Zoe. Why can't I think of her her Rachel Zoe, excuse me. Rachel Zoe, that's what I mean.

Justin Joseph 3:18

I know Rachel Zoe.

Katy Montgomery 3:19

Yeah, they brought Rachel Zoe back, and she and her husband, who were like college students, her new husband, right? GW. Her ex-husband, you know, have also separated.

Justin Joseph 3:28

Right.

Katy Montgomery 3:28

And all of these men have gone on to find other women.

Justin Joseph 3:32

Shocking.

Katy Montgomery 3:33

Shocking. But I think what, and mind you, I don't find any of these three men to be a great catch. None of them are incredibly handsome or honorable or interesting, but they have all been caught kissing, hugging, either ass grabbing, you know, someone jumping up and straddling around their waist in public by paparazzi. And I think that's the wrong way forward. All of these people have children. I think there is a certain understanding that if you are breaking up a relationship, even if it has been toxic and uncomfortable, you know, there is just a polite way to handle the transition before finding someone else. And I think the appropriate way to do that is to not to be photographed in public, you know, PDAing.

Justin Joseph 4:24

Do you think it's slutty or do you think it's just inappropriate or both?

Katy Montgomery 4:29

I mean, I wouldn't, I don't even think the word slutty comes to mind. I just think it's inconsiderate. I think it's hurtful. I think it's not considering your children. It's a transition for children to see you not with their other parent. And I think it's it's callous and I think it's entitled and I think it's selfish.

Justin Joseph 4:48

Okay. Well, um, I'm gonna

Public PDA After Breakups

Justin Joseph 4:50

disagree a little bit with you because I do think uh, you know, from my what I, you know, what over the years go having gone through breakups with friends, my one advice I always say is you gotta you gotta meet someone else and move on. Um, even if it's, you know, meet someone else in the short term for things you do in the short term. I do think that's the way you break an old relationship, you break an old obsession, if you will, with your past X is to find the next whomever, even if that whomever is only for a week, a month, et cetera.

Katy Montgomery 5:17

So you believe in in order to get over someone, you need to get under someone. For sure.

Justin Joseph 5:26

I mean, God, not in your 80s, but but you know, I still like to think in my head that I'm in my 30s. But um, yeah, I think breakup sex is the way to go, don't you? I I mean there's a reason they call it that.

Katy Montgomery 5:37

Yeah, but I think I'm not talking about moving on. I'm talking about being discreet and moving on or being respectful and moving on or considering how that looks, you know, and how that might make someone feel. I think it's just, you know, it's it's you know, maybe doing it, you know, you know, in privacy for a while, during while it's still so raw and real and new, and while particularly children are getting up to speed, you know, on what's happening.

Justin Joseph 6:05

Well, I but we can agree that the everybody has a right to move on. We certainly agree on that.

Katy Montgomery 6:10

Yeah, I mean, definitely, but I just think there's a way to do that.

Justin Joseph 6:14

Well, I think the problem for these people is that they are in the public eye. I mean, they're doing, I guess my point is they're not doing anything different than you or I maybe would be doing if we broke up, but the paparazzi follows them around and is catching them doing these things.

Katy Montgomery 6:27

Well, I think these people are also aware of the paparazzi, and they also know if you are, you know, having somebody jump and put their legs around your waist in the middle of an airport, you're gonna get caught. I mean, I'm talking about Is that happening? Yes. This happened with Mauricio Kyle's, you know, ex.

Justin Joseph 6:47

Yeah.

Katy Montgomery 6:47

You know, PK, who is pretty disgusting, you know, had a make out session in the middle of like LA in front of a like famous, you know, you know, restaurant. You know, that's what I'm talking about. Is it's like, you know, go have a quiet dinner, you know, go to a movie, go see a show with a group, invite someone over to your home.

Justin Joseph 7:09

Well, let me ask you this does it make a difference if they are the aggrieved party and not the aggrieving party?

Katy Montgomery 7:14

Like I think, I think either way. I'm just I'm like, you know, I think about this all the time about Tiger Woods.

Justin Joseph 7:21

Oh, Tiger Woods. I thought you were thinking about real housewife.

Katy Montgomery 7:25

Like, well, there's I mean, I do, they do take up quite a bit of my brain space.

Justin Joseph 7:30

But you were saying Tiger Woods?

Katy Montgomery 7:32

Yes, I this is what I think about Tiger Woods. Do you remember when like everything came to light about Tiger Woods?

Justin Joseph 7:38

And then he was like big slore.

Katy Montgomery 7:40

It's sex addict, all these things. And I just think about these poor children Googling their dad and seeing all that stuff. I mean, there's just certain things that you don't need to know about your parents, particularly on real adult topics like that at a certain age. And so I think even if Kyle or Dorit, who, you know, are, for lack of a better word, the innocent party, you know, for them, I think, you know, I would also suggest in the transition to be a little, you know, um considerate of others, particularly your children.

Justin Joseph 8:14

Well, we don't disagree on that. What's funny though is, you know, this has been going on since the history of time. I mean, think about all the historical examples of this exact same thing taking place. Like when remember when Brad Pitt dumped Jennifer Anderson for Angina Angelina Jolie?

Katy Montgomery 8:29

And it was like that turned out real well. That that that was a winning couple.

Justin Joseph 8:33

But it broke the internet. Remember, it was a huge deal because he dumped her for you know, Angelina back then. And you've got examples with um gosh, uh Jennifer Lopez and Brad uh not Brad Pitt, uh Ben Affleck when they broke up the first time and he went on with Anna Dearmas. Um, you know, Charles and Diana, for example, when he went on and was he was canoodling Camellia or whatever her name is. Um, you know, it's men and the men have been doing this forever.

Katy Montgomery 9:02

Yeah, and I think it's the wrong way forward. Again, I don't have a problem with moving on, but it's like be discreet, be respectful. And, you know, I remember I had I had a a boss and he went through a divorce and we were at a dinner party, and he just started talking

Winners, Losers, And Kids’ Impact

Katy Montgomery 9:20

absolute crap about his ex and saying things like, you know, from 30 years ago, like when they were like lovebirds and young and before they had had children. And I just looked at him at the table, and of course everyone was just, oh my gosh, Katy, I can't believe you said that. And I'm like, that's that's not nice, and that's not accurate. You know, yeah, in retrospect, you can look back and say the last 30 years have been pure shit. But I'm like, you have two kids, you've built a life together, you've made investments, both financial and you know, emotional. You know, and just to kind of say that is is nasty. And so I just thought How did he take that? I mean, he was kind of a wuss, so he kind of just had another drink and then left early.

Justin Joseph 10:05

And he was no longer your boss after that, I'm assuming.

Katy Montgomery 10:08

He's no longer well, he ended up marrying some young thing, and you know, and of course, you know, it's the you know, exact kind of, you know, movie, you know, cliche you expect. Yes, so touche. But again, in the transition, I just it's like, I know it's hard and there's a lot of wrapped-up emotions there, but I think this is the wrong way forward, which I think leads us to us having another relationship episode today, Justin. And I think in the next block, we're gonna talk about the next new trend in dating, which I think is the wrong way forward.

Justin Joseph 10:46

All right, we'll talk about that on the other side. We'll be right back.

Katy Montgomery 10:49

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Justin Joseph 10:56

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Katy Montgomery 11:01

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Speaker 11:11

Now back to Wrong Way Forward. Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katy and Justin Podcast.

Justin Joseph 11:18

Hi, everybody. Welcome back to this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward, Justin Joseph and Katy Montgomery here. We are talking about all things housewives, a little bit, um, and all things dating, which um we have some new trends and topics to talk about this week. Of course, we invite you to participate in the conversation. You can email us at wrongwayforwardpodcast at gmail.com. And of course, we always have our text line. That number 720-44251-4450. Again, 720-251-4450. Katy, this week we're also talking about a new dating trend called future faking. What is that? And tell us what's wrong with it.

Katy Montgomery 11:55

So the new trend that we're hearing about is future faking is when a narcissist or a toxic person. So I think first, you know, first element is not good people, what they do is to per promise to fulfill your desire to do something in the future to get something that they want in the present. So the example that they're giving on that in dating is like you're on a dating app and someone future fakes you by saying, you know, where will we go on our first date? Or I can't wait to take you out, or when I get to see you, we will. But then they never follow up. They never do something in the present. Um, and so the idea is a lot of people use future faking not just in dating, but you can see it in the professional world, in kind of your other personal relationships. But the idea is it's a way for this narcissist or toxic person to kind of get away scot-free. So when somebody says something like, Well, when are we going to schedule the date? or how about we make some plans? And like, you just wait and see. It's gonna be so much fun. So they get off, they delay commitment. So this is a person who talks a lot in the future. Um, they can do this, particularly in the workplace. It could be like they promise you something in the future to obtain resources. So that could be, you know, you know, I'm really looking forward next year and promoting you when we do the salary view six months from now. So it's always something in the future to get you to do something now.

Justin Joseph 13:26

So it's basically like a con artist with a Pinterest aboard.

Katy Montgomery 13:31

Um, that's a complicated analogy, and I think you have to think through that a lot. But it's really people, these are people who are conflict avoidant, right? Um, and I think it is the wrong way forward. I think it is nasty, I think it is manipulative, I think it is not kind, and I think we need to give advice to these people who are being future faked how to catch on to this bullshit.

Justin Joseph 14:00

Well, I agree, but I think this has been going on since the beginning of time where Justin, that's not an excuse. No, it's not an excuse. But I just love that this is this new trend. I'm like, how many times have men been lying to women about the life they're gonna give them for a million years and that life never comes? How many times have we heard the story about he hasn't put a ring on the finger?

Discretion Versus Moving On

Justin Joseph 14:20

Yeah, yeah. But he's told me he's going to.

Katy Montgomery 14:22

Well, and I think, you know, I saw this great piece of advice in an um an article that Katy Kirk Media wrote about future faking. And they said, trust the patterns, not the projections. And I think that's really that is actually the right way forward. That's really great advice is like when you're hearing these projections, actually look at patterns, you know. So at work, you know, are you seeing them take active steps to get you the resources, to get you the um promotion? I had a conversation with someone the other day. I do a lot of um coaching for one organization, and I said, if I had a dollar for every manager who says, I'm going to be retiring soon.

Justin Joseph 15:06

Oh, gosh, yeah.

Katy Montgomery 15:07

And it's not given a timeline, has not given official notice, and it's creating chaos in these organizations because people are jockeying for that role, they're uncomfortable and the ambiguity, and I'm like, don't trust the projection, trust the pattern. The pattern would be, I've given notice. We've done a six months legacy plan, right? We're doing a uh, you know, I've seen the job description for the replacement. So how do you do that in dating, particularly when you have not yet even met the person, but somebody's stringing you along? I remember online dating, and these guys are like, Do you want to talk on the phone? Do you want to text? Do you want to talk on the phone? And I'm like, what are we doing? This is so weird. Like, I'm not, I don't need any more friends. And that was future faking now that I'm I'm realizing it.

Justin Joseph 15:54

And so that's interesting that you because you're right, it does show up in work as well, the promise of the raise, like you said, the promise of promotion, the promise of retirement. And so you're what's the assertive right way forward to handle it in either situation? What are you telling your clients?

Katy Montgomery 16:09

Well, I think first of all, it's it's it's you know, what are the patterns and what are you seeing? I think sometimes people just aren't having the revelation that they're being future faked, right? So I think it's first, you know, being aware of what's happening. And I think it's number two, trying to be more specific. I a lot of times coaching is where's the specificity around this, right? What is the request? What is the expectation? What is the outcome? And people are scared to be specific in their requests. So I think that's a lot. I think what's really interesting in relationships is we can talk about like not just the future faking and dating, but the future faking in day-to-day. It can be, you know, when you have conflict around an issue. So conflict around an issue is like, I'd like us to go to therapy together. Yes, I would love to go to therapy. Let's talk about that. And then it never happens. Or I'm going to stop drinking, you know, and it never happens. And so, you know, I think again, is how do we get people to recognize that these people are manipulating them by promising something in the future in order to for them to get something in the present? And sometimes getting something in the present can just be like, I want you to shut up and quit riding my ass.

Justin Joseph 17:22

So that's really the bottom line. It's manipulation.

Katy Montgomery 17:24

Oh, yeah. And Justin, I thought you'd love this one because you're a fan of manipulation.

Justin Joseph 17:31

But it's a carrot in the stick? Is it I mean, is carrot in the stick of manipulation?

Katy Montgomery 17:38

I mean, I don't know if carrot sticks manipulation. I think it's, you know, which one works necessarily. But I think this is something that I think particularly now, people being primarily digital need to be very aware of this. Particularly, is what is your intention with online dating? What is your intention in dating? If it is just company and having someone to talk

Break And Listener CTA

Katy Montgomery 18:00

to and just to flirt, that's fine. But again, look for the patterns, not the projections.

Justin Joseph 18:05

Oh, interesting. Okay. All right. Well, that's future faking. We also were talking about some of the New York Times article kind of talked about this, which like the best breakup lines of the day. And I know we went back and forth over some of them. What did you think about that article?

Katy Montgomery 18:18

Well, I thought some were pretty hysterical, and I'm gonna have to, you know, put on my my glasses, but um some of you might be very familiar with the column Modern Love on on New York Times. And what they did was they kind of asked readers to give their best breakup lines. And I thought some of these were definitely the wrong way forward. Um, you know, I think one of them was, I know it sounds selfish, selfish, he said, but your family just doesn't have enough money. I mean, that's the wrong way forward. Um, but I think, Justin, you might argue that's the right way forward. And so that person, the receiver, you know, the recipient of that message knows exactly what they're dealing with.

Justin Joseph 18:59

No, I don't think that's the right way forward. Um, I mean, unless that's what you're going into a relationship for is to be taken care of. And I do have friends that'll be very upfront about that and say, I want to marry well. And, you know, I guess I don't have a problem with that if that's what they want. Um, but like uh I thought some of the funny ones were like one of them said, I'm pathetic now. My face is she's this is a girl

Defining Future Faking

Justin Joseph 19:20

saying, I'm pathetic now, my ash I said with my face smeared with mascara, but check back in five years because I'll be fine and you'll still be you. I thought that was pretty funny. Very strange.

Katy Montgomery 19:30

Is that the wrong way forward or the right way forward?

Justin Joseph 19:33

Well, that's the wrong way forward. I mean, the she sounds pathetic, and any man saying that that same thing would sound pathetic as well. I also like the 27 year old who said to the 45 year old when she said, I need someone close to my age, so you just use me for sex. Well, no shit.

Katy Montgomery 19:46

I mean, these people uh Well, I you know, the thing that I thought was interesting is there was one that says, It wasn't anything you did, my first real girlfriend said. You were a great boyfriend. I mean I'd even write you a letter of recommendations. And I thought. What was interesting is I took these breakups. Um, I gave a hyperlink and I put it into um Chat GPT and I said, you know, what's the theme here? And it I thought it was really interesting that said the theme is that these breakups take a professional tone or brutally honest, bizarre or cruel. And I think, again, if we're kind of talking about relationships and we're talking about what to do when you break up, listen, men of real housewives, um, is it's like, what is the actual language you're using? And I would say if you tend towards the professional, brutally honest, bizarre, or cruel, you're probably doing it the wrong way forward.

Justin Joseph 20:40

Oh, I think it, I disagree. I think if you're doing it the per brutally honest, that is a-okay. Um you should be brutally honest. Like, I'm no longer attracted to you. Um, you're too young. I want to have sex with someone my own age. Said no one ever.

Katy Montgomery 20:58

Why would you want to hurt someone and and and we could be brutally honest without being cruel? I don't think I think the word brutal indicates cruelty and meanness. Actually, I want to just look up the real definition of the word brutal. Brutal, punishly, I can't even say this word, punishly hard or uncomfortable. The example I it gives is the brutal winter wind. Um, it is direct and lacking any attempt to disguise unpleasantness.

Justin Joseph 21:36

Ask it for a brutal example, an example of breaking up that's brutally honest. Give us a few examples of that. I'd be interested in that. But I would also say while you're doing that, like frequently the truth is brutal. And it could be like, I'm not attracted to you anymore. Um, there's a number of things that are the truth, and just because they are truth, they are automatically brutal. That doesn't necessarily mean it's the wrong way forward. The other things you talked about were cruelty. Of course, I am not a fan of being cruel to someone.

Katy Montgomery 22:01

Just brutal.

Justin Joseph 22:02

Just brutal. So give us some examples of what brutal honesty looks like, please.

Katy Montgomery 22:07

So Cat GPT, I said, give me an example of a brutal breakup line. And the response was, ouch. See? So it hurts. Brutal hurts. And again, I don't think when you break up, you need to hurt someone. Right. Um, and so um it says, here's one that tends to leave a mark because it just doesn't end the relationship, it retroactively diminishes it. I realize that I don't actually miss you when you're gone. I just miss the version of myself I was before I met you.

Justin Joseph 22:39

Okay, I think that is a great example that we can agree to disagree because I think that's honest and it's just, I mean, there's nothing there's no gray area there. I love it.

Katy Montgomery 22:49

Yeah, see, but I think it's there's no gray area, but it's it's it's sending you into a dark hole.

Justin Joseph 22:55

Here's one. I care about you, I just don't want a future with you. I've known that for a while, and I stayed because I was comfortable. That wasn't fair to you, and I'm sorry. Look, I love that one. I carry it.

Katy Montgomery 23:07

Yeah, I mean, that's maybe a little less brutal. I think there's a little clause in there you could have cut and still had the same, you know, it could have landed and still had the same objective.

Justin Joseph 23:17

Yeah. Anyway, all right. Well, we'll talk more about this on the other side. We're also gonna take a few couple viewer emails from our episode last week on the Beckham's. We'll be back right after this. Thanks for streaming Wrong Way Forward, the weekly reminder that advice is usually free for a reason. We call out bad advice wherever it hides, boardrooms, break rooms, and even book clubs.

Katy Montgomery 23:37

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Patterns Over Projections

Katy Montgomery 23:40

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Speaker 23:56

Roasting the worst advice ever.

Katy Montgomery 23:57

Welcome back to the Katy and Justin. And we're back. And um clearly Justin does not understand that the that being brutal is nasty. Um, and so we think we might do a future episode about what does it mean to be brutally honest? And is that the wrong or right way forward? So if you have an example of where your brutal honesty has worked or has bombed, or you've been the recipient of brutal honesty and you appreciated it, or it sent you, you know, into a deep depression, please send us um an email at wrongwayforward podcast at gmail.com because we'd love to kind of dissect that. Because I think Justin's pro-brutality, and I'm kind of pro-peace.

Justin Joseph 24:43

And you can also text us in our text line at 720-251-4450. Has brutal honesty got a bad rap? That's going to be the subject of our next week's episode. And clearly we are gonna have some headbutting on this. So we'll talk about that next week.

Katy Montgomery 24:59

And Justin, I think that just, you know, segues great into a text that I got based on our Am I a Karen um episode. And so I get, you know, a text from a friend that's like, also Justin is without a doubt Karen. And he is also Enneagram 8. So do you know what the Enneagram is?

Justin Joseph 25:22

No, but I I'm good, I want to know right this second.

Katy Montgomery 25:25

Yeah, so I when I looked up eight, I first of all I got that text. I immediately got it.

Justin Joseph 25:30

I don't even know how to spell Enneagram. How do you say it?

Katy Montgomery 25:31

Enneagram eight and Justin. So first of all, they each have kind of a title behind it. So Enneagram 8 is known as it's an assessment, and Enneagram 8 is known as the Challenger. So right there, I was like, track.

Justin Joseph 25:45

Yeah, that sounds right. That sounds right.

Katy Montgomery 25:56

They are direct, confident, decisive, often acting as natural leaders, but can struggle with vulnerability and appearing intimidating.

Justin Joseph 26:05

Wow. Okay, Neogram eight. So I'm crazy eight. Go on.

Katy Montgomery 26:11

You're crazy eight. So I think, you know, I've taken the Enneagram. Um, and I think we we should both take the Enneagram. We'd also love to hear that would be it also a great future episode. Um, I know a lot of people are obsessed with the Enneagram. Is it the wrong way forward to rely on that? Is it the wrong way forward to start to type your friends? Or is this all in good fun? Love to hear about that too.

Justin Joseph 26:32

Yeah, I would love to hear about that too. And I disagree, I am not a Karen, or let me put this put it this way. I do not strive to be a Karen. I think probably we've all had Karen moments, but um I think you love brutal honesty and manipulation. I love brutal honesty and manipulation. And I did leave a one-star review before 6 a.m. this morning to someone who upset me.

Katy Montgomery 26:53

But he's not a Karen, y'all. He's not a Karen.

Justin Joseph 26:55

Well, I I was I we our car broke down last night, and these people said just tow it to us. And this morning they said we couldn't get you in for three weeks. I was like, I just spent $250 to tow my car to you. This should have been told to me last night. Anyway, we got another viewer email here. I really like this one. Hi, Katy and Justin. Uh last week uh, this is me speaking. Last week we talked about um one of the Beckham children and that he was making a fight with his parents public. This person wrote in. Oh, and I had also said that Prince this was an example of the Prince Harry uh Charles situation. This person wrote in and said, I appreciated that you all didn't agree on the Prince Harry and Megan conversation. It felt like a real disagreement, not performative balance. They're talking about Katy and myself. As a woman who's often labeled strong, I've seen men either shrink or over and compensate around that, and neither dynamic is healthy. I didn't hear Justin is sexist, but I did hear a lack of nuance. Katy's pushback added it. That's why the conversation worked. Keep disagreeing, it's the best part.

Katy Montgomery 27:50

I love that, and I think that's really and I have to say, we do get a lot of feedback. People like it when we disagree, and Justin is always finding ways for us to disagree.

Justin Joseph 28:01

Because I didn't realize brutal honesty was gonna be something we were gonna disagree about.

Katy Montgomery 28:07

Well, I thought you knew the definition of brutal.

Justin Joseph 28:10

Well, I brutal I just think it's gotten a bad rap.

Katy Montgomery 28:13

I mean, brutal even sounds like the word itself sounds cutting and nasty.

Work And Dating Red Flags

Justin Joseph 28:20

Just where we see life differently. That life is cutting and nasty. That doesn't mean it's cruel. So I would like to draw a line between difference between brutal and cruel. Oh, viewers are gonna have a field day with this. But we're gonna take up this entire thing on next week's episode of Wrong Way Forward. Send us your thoughts. Thank you for listening once again. And uh email us at wrongwayforwardpodcast at gmail.com. You can also text us on our text line at 720-251-4450. We'll see you guys next week on Wrong Way Forward. All right, that's a wrap on this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward. Remember, the only thing worse than taking bad advice is giving it.

Katy Montgomery 28:57

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Justin Joseph 29:11

Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward.