29. Born to Donate. A Savior Sibling Dilemma

This week on Wrong Way Forward, we ask a question that escalated WAY faster than expected:

Do you owe your family a literal piece of your body?

We unpack a wild story of a “savior sibling” — a woman born to medically save her brother — who’s now being asked (read: demanded) to donate a kidney to the same brother she barely has a relationship with… after a lifetime of being treated like a human spare parts kit.

So… what’s the move?
 Give the kidney and live with resentment?
 Refuse and live with guilt?
 Or negotiate like a lawyer with the ultimate leverage?

Then, because emotional stability is not our brand, we pivot HARD into:

🚗 Jeep owners leaving rubber ducks on each other’s cars
 🐄 Subaru drivers and their mysterious road rage energy
 💀 What your car really says about you (and why it might be offensive)

It’s ethics, family trauma, and unhinged car culture—all in one episode.

👉 Would YOU give the kidney?
 👉 Are we monsters for hating Jeep ducks?

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Transcript

Welcome And Moving Chaos

SPEAKER_00 0:00

She's Katie Montgomery. He's Justin Joseph. These best friends are serving subpoenas to bad advice weekly with Wrong Way Forward. Now here's Katie and Justin.

Katy Montgomery 0:11

Hi, welcome to Wrong Way Forward. My name is Katie Montgomery, and I'm here with my best friend Justin Joseph, and we are here to roast bad advice and bad decisions.

Justin Joseph 0:21

Always.

Katy Montgomery 0:22

Always. And I first want to apologize to those who actually watch us on YouTube. I am in moving hell. You will see behind I have some boxes. I have the donation piles, the piles to go to storage, the piles to go where I'm moving, the piles to take me down south this summer. And I am living in chaos and I'm miserable. And so I'm bringing you along for the ride. And that's why you have this lovely backdrop.

Justin Joseph 0:46

And you're not moving, moving, you're moving to renovate your house, which is very exciting. You're going to put a runway forward studio in, I heard. Yes, we apologize in advance.

Katy Montgomery 1:03

Justin wants me to build a studio, but I will not be doing that. But hopefully that does not have any indication of the show. And we will be continuing, but we will be doing it in Justin's very nice home and in random closets, dungeons, basements across the United States this summer.

Justin Joseph 1:21

And we'll be having a drawing. We'll come do it in your home, viewers. So just let us know.

Katy Montgomery 1:25

Yeah, that would be super fun.

The Savior Sibling Story

Katy Montgomery 1:27

Um, so today we're going to um cover a topic which I think is very complicated and it even gets to the point of kind of life and death, and it has kind of family obligation involved in it. So if the listeners can kind of stay with me, I'm going to read this. It's a little long. Um, but this is about a woman who went of all places to a Reddit community um to look for support when she was learning that once again her parents were coming to her to save her brother's life.

Justin Joseph 2:00

I love how these people go to Reddit community. I tell you what, Reddit is I've just started using Reddit in the last six months. If you haven't used it, did you use it ever, Katie?

Katy Montgomery 2:08

I never use it. Once in a while, it will a Google search might randomly land me there.

Justin Joseph 2:13

I'd say it's a great place for recommendations on if you need a floor. I mean, people get real deep there about everything. And so I really, really recommend it. But go on. This woman obviously feels the same way because she's coming to Reddit for this advice.

Katy Montgomery 2:25

She's coming to Reddit. And I think she's actually not just looking for advice, she's looking for support in this kind of crazy scenario. So she explains that she was born as the savior sibling. So basically, what happened is she had an elder brother, she had a middle brother, and then she was the baby. And um, her older brother, due to health reasons, was not excuse, was not able to be healthy. The middle brother could not help due to health reasons, and so they leaned on her to kind of help save this brother. Um, and she wrote that um her life began with medical extractions to help her brother. I became the savior sibling, starting with my umbilical cord. She said that bone marrow donations followed when she was still a toddler, and she remembered spending most of her childhood exhausted by the procedures. Despite her constant medical involvement, the family never acknowledged the toll it took on her. So finally, her brother that she was helping out was declared cancer free at 14. And she said there was never any acknowledgement that that was due to a big part of what she had done thus far. And so she said she was, yes, and so she said, you know, she was never close to this brother, and instead she was very close to the middle brother who actually took care of her. And once this, once her brother was declared cancer free, he became a nightmare. Healthy Drew was a nightmare. Um, that he bullied both siblings. He treated me like his personal maid. And according to her, the parents allowed the behavior. You know, this was the child who finally was cancer free and so kind of got away with murder. And she said her parents really didn't care for her if it wasn't for her other brother, that she wouldn't have had a sense of family. And then she says, as adults, the siblings kind of lived separate lives. She worked in the US before moving to Spain and the Netherlands. Um, her brother um moved away, and Drew, the brother Drew, and her parents lived in South America and really had no contact with Drew at all for about 10 years, and said she really only heard from her parents once in a while. So no relationship. And then out of the blue, she gets a sudden call from her parents that um she got very uncomfortable because it was so rare to hear from her parents and said her mother was crying and explained that Drew had fainted and all his partying and vices caught up to him, and he's now gone into renal failure.

Justin Joseph 4:45

Oh my goodness.

Katy Montgomery 4:46

And they told him that old medical records showed that she was a match for a kidney donation and that she needed to be there in five days for the surgery. So she responds with no and said that the mother erupted, shouting that this is what she was made for. And then she told her mother, you know, that she was not going to be engaged in this, and the mother cussed her out and into the call. And then she got endless messages from extended family. She received emails, phone messages, physical letters, um, even some curses, some threats, and she ignored them. Um and she admitted that the situation has left her conflicted. Um, she's not responsible for her brother's choices. He was an adult and made poor decisions that led to his health, you know. Um, and another part of her is she's always been a medical resource and felt compelled to help. And so she does feel guilt. Um, and you know, and she knows she could live, possibly knowing that her brother is going to die. And so then the Reddit community kind of comes in. And so I think this leads us to is this the wrong way forward to refuse to offer your brother who is in renal failure a kidney, particularly when you don't really have a relationship with that sibling, and it is because of their poor choices, not because of a genetic defect or um defect why they're um in this predicament.

Kidney Demand And Family Backlash

Katy Montgomery 6:12

So is that the wrong way forward, Justin?

Justin Joseph 6:15

Well, I think every story has a villain and a hero. And in this case, the villain in this story is are her parents. I don't even think to some degree it's the brother who is in need of this now. I mean, that's a tragic circumstance. Obviously, he got himself in a situation that um is unfortunate, but her parents are the villains in the story. It is an awful thing to that they did this. I mean, I have so many mixed emotions because it reminds me of someone who's groomed a child to be sexually abused. It's it feels the same exact way. It feels equally as disgusting. Um, the child was not brought into this world because they wanted someone to love and cherish. They were brought into this world for the benefit of someone else. So I'm really upset by it. Um the other thing that I was gonna say about this is um it just went out of my head. But either way, I I I'm really uh disturbed by it. Now we can also talk, and maybe in block B, about whether this woman should uh just from being a good person give her brother a kidney. And I don't know the answer to that. Yeah.

Katy Montgomery 7:15

I mean, I think well, I think comparing it to grooming a child for sexual molestation and pedophilia, I think it's a little bit of a isn't it though?

Justin Joseph 7:26

Isn't that what this is? They're grooming this child to for the benefit of someone else, it's just repulsive.

Katy Montgomery 7:31

But I think two things can be true at once. I mean, and again, we're only hearing her side of the story. I think that you can have a child and use the umbilical cord and some of the bone marrow to save another child and still truly love and honor and appreciate that child.

Justin Joseph 7:45

I mean, I think two things can be true at once. It doesn't sound like that's what's happening here.

Katy Montgomery 7:50

Well, again, we're only hearing one side, right? Um, but what I think, you know, it's just generally how I like to hear a story. That is factually correct. That is how you like to hear a story. I'm good with one side of the story, then I'll be like, what is it what is interesting here is, you know, and let's talk like attorneys. Um, if we're talking about, you know, everything's negotiable and this is up for negotiation, she has so much leverage, right? She has something um that they need that no one has. And so there could be a premium placed on that. And so what I find is money. No, I'm just talking about it. Seems what she really wants and needs is validation. It's she's got a bargaining chip. Thank you. You saved his life. We made you highly uncomfortable. It probably wasn't an idyllic childhood. We apologize. Thank you for you know getting him to this place.

Justin Joseph 8:49

And maybe have a kidney.

Katy Montgomery 8:50

Yes. What I don't understand is like, you know, it it seems to me that she wants that. She didn't get that throughout her childhood, and that is what is bringing up some of this trauma. And so she could ask for that. If she did want a relationship with them, I think that there would be, you know, some potential bargaining there to say, you know, I expect this, or after this, you know, we're gonna sign something and there will no longer be any kind of communication. Because if she's really feeling that this is an unhealthy relationship, you know, what are the boundaries that she's gonna put on there continuing? Because it it it clearly they continue it through this relationship. I also wonder, you know, just because you get a kidney doesn't mean you're gonna change your bad ways. Yeah, 100%. And if this is because of, you know, poor habits and and they're using she's using the word vices, you know, again, sh it might not be something that she can um follow through with. But like, is there some contract? Is there some kind of agreement that if I do give this, you will I'm insert, go to rehab, you know, attend AA meetings, something like that, so she doesn't feel like this is for naught. Um, but it doesn't seem like she, and maybe she just doesn't want to bargain, and that would be fair too.

Justin Joseph 10:05

Maybe she just wants her kidney.

Katy Montgomery 10:07

Well, you have two, right?

Justin Joseph 10:09

Yeah, I know, but I'm like, it's a major, major, major surgery, right? I mean, it's I

Parents As Villains And Leverage

Justin Joseph 10:15

mean, if you watch any of the medical shows, you you know that. And I I will say this. I have a I gotta I want to be careful here. I have a family member who also was up for a kidney transplant. And um, let me just let me dance very very very quick easily here. Um, she was showing this family member was showing some early signs of dementia. And the question in the family was, do you disclose that before you get your kidney? Right?

SPEAKER_00 10:44

Right.

Justin Joseph 10:45

Because she got up on the list and people in the family knew that she had early signs of dementia. The question was, do they disclose that to the doctor, which would have it removed her eligibility for this kidney? And in this case, it was not disclosed, which is not funny, but I I remember being very uncomfortable with that.

Katy Montgomery 11:05

I'm very uncomfortable right now, and I just I keep like rubbing my chest and like patting myself because I just don't know what we're doing here.

Justin Joseph 11:14

Maybe we should start over and just use that as the wrong way forward.

Katy Montgomery 11:19

I mean, it is it's unethical, it's probably against the law.

Justin Joseph 11:24

Um there's a number of issues, but I also feel like that was a hypothetical, by the way.

Katy Montgomery 11:30

Also, I just find that really interesting because you can have dementia and live for a number of years. And I just find that I find that odd that that would remove you from getting a healthy kidney because you're still a human being and you're in Justin's world, like the facts are like 60%.

Justin Joseph 11:47

There's 40% that is that's washable there.

Katy Montgomery 11:51

It's so funny. Like as you were saying that, I'm like, my sister's gonna call me and tell me Justin didn't have the full facts on.

Justin Joseph 11:59

Let's take this up on the other side because I'll I'll add to the story. But I I need some more dancing time here. So we'll take this up on the other side. We'll be right back.

Katy Montgomery 12:08

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Justin Joseph 12:15

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Katy Montgomery 12:20

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SPEAKER_00 12:30

Now back to Wrong Way Forward. Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katie and Justin Podcast.

Justin Joseph 12:36

So welcome back to this week's Wrong Way Forward where things have taken a very, very um ominous turn in our discussion of whether a woman who was basically bred and groomed to be a kidney provider for her sick brother who now has a drug problem, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Justin, you have just inflated most of the

Ethics Of Transplants And Disclosure

Justin Joseph 12:53

What other vices would you have that that you need a kidney?

Katy Montgomery 12:56

Alcohol, you dumbass.

Justin Joseph 13:00

Whatever. Alcohol is a drug, it's the same thing. So either way, wouldn't that be your liver?

Katy Montgomery 13:06

Yes, but I think probably it affects your kidney too. Because I think if you're a big Alki, you get um a lot of kidney stones, right?

Justin Joseph 13:12

This is when we need Dr. Montgomery back because he always could have called him in. We could have called him in and we would have been like, he would have been like, I'm currently saving someone's life, could you leave me the fuck alone?

Katy Montgomery 13:23

He totally would have.

Justin Joseph 13:24

He'd be like, Are you really bothering me with this right now? And you're like, yeah, totally. And while we have you, can we also ask you about a hypothetical where someone may or may not have gotten a kidney transplant and didn't disclose that they were in dementia? And anyway, is that okay?

Katy Montgomery 13:37

But Justin, I mean, just switching the topic a little bit, if if you were this person and based on your facts, groomed, you know, to be the savior, and you got a call and you knew your sibling, even though you know there was not a relationship with this sibling, but you knew that this there was a high likelihood this person would die without your match, what would you do?

Justin Joseph 13:59

Well, I thank God most of my family knows about my 20s and 30s, and so no one would want any part of any of my organs. So um, but if that if the if my kidney was givable, um, what would I do? It's such a hard question because I'm like you, uh, you know, yes, I would do it, but I mean, but then I'd have the conversation with myself if I'm really gonna do this, is this the kidney, is this the person that should get my kidney? Shouldn't it be, you know, an eight-year-old child who's got a whole life ahead of him or her? So I'd have those kinds of debate. I would give my kidney to someone because I would feel really guilty if I didn't do anything, but I'm not sure I'd give it to them.

Katy Montgomery 14:38

Well, and that's I mean, and that is an option, right? Is that they have the chains where it's like you give a kidney, so someone gives a kidney, so the recipient that you want to get the kidney in this case true. I just know myself.

Justin Joseph 14:50

And yeah, what would you do?

Katy Montgomery 14:52

I would give it. And you know what? I would, I would I would give it, I would bitch, moan, complain.

Justin Joseph 14:58

Oh, I would be all kinds of pissed off.

Katy Montgomery 15:00

I would say everything I ever wanted to say about that piece of shit.

Justin Joseph 15:04

I would just see you as you're getting under, like this is some kind of bullshit.

Katy Montgomery 15:08

Some kind of bullshit, but I would I would give the kidney because the guilt would just be too much to live with. And then also I know myself. And I as I get older, I care less about this, but I still, as I approach 52, would be like, I don't want people talking about me like I'm an asshole. Like I just couldn't, and and I would, and my brain would make up all kinds of stories about what everybody thought about me. And I just I I I could not not give the kidney, but I would I would be pissed off.

Justin Joseph 15:42

Me too. I would be so angry. And I know also myself, it would take five to ten years off my life because I would go into a major depression having a part of me gone. I just know me, and it would be it would freak me out so much, and then the surgical recovery would be awful. Uh, so it would be not just a kidney, it would be years off my life. I know it.

Katy Montgomery 16:00

That's fascinating because I have a really good friend who's given a kidney. Um, and I don't think he gave it to someone who was like a BFF. And then I have another friend whose mother donated a kidney to a stranger. Um, and then my sister has a friend who donated a kidney, I think, to a stranger. So to me, it's much more commonplace than what you're talking about. You know, I mean, any surgery has um potential complications.

Justin Joseph 16:22

But it's yeah, oof. But I just hate surgery.

Katy Montgomery 16:25

Well, I mean, that's fair.

Justin Joseph 16:27

I mean, very few people are like love it and sign up for and luckily the old G A Y card has gotten me out of giving blood for 50 years, which has been wonderful because I've never had I've never had to, although they did change those rules recently, but in the old days, I was like, Your loss. Actually, it may not have been yeah, anyway. So I don't think they would take my kidney anyway because I think there's a huge questionnaire and they'd be like, Have you done these things in your life? And they'd be like, You were good.

Katy Montgomery 16:52

Yeah. Well, and I mean, and you know, it is interesting because I know people who have been in families where they've needed to donate a kidney and they weren't the only option that they would say, Look, I have children, I'd rather reserve my kidney for my child rather than X person, and they were these people were able to find someone else within the family that was a match. So I understand that if you have that complexity around, right? You know, like I mean, I don't know what the percentages of people needing a kidney and what are the statistics on that. But I could see that that if this person had children, you know, that they might be a little bit more um hesitant, you know, to operate.

Justin Joseph 17:32

But we also have to talk about this the this woman. I mean, she's going to Reddit for support. I mean, she's had a traumatic, very sad life. Like movies have been written about less. And and she's in Reddit. I mean, that just breaks my heart.

Katy Montgomery 17:46

Well, it breaks my heart too. And and needing to go somewhere to get some kind of affirmation. And so it does make you think what is her sense of community? Who does she have? What does her family unit look like? What does her community look like? You know, does she have access to things like, you know, therapy or group therapy? Because she does have quite a bit of trauma that she needs, you know, to work through. And I think, yes, there can be healthy boundaries, but barely having a relationship, you know, this is a family of five, and she barely has a relationship with three of the five, that's a significant loss.

Justin Joseph 18:24

It's a significant loss. And it, you know, you hear that you and Oprah's doing a big series on this right now about when you give up family, like what are the rules when you can actually be okay? Or it's back in your interest to cut off family. And this seems like it checks all the boxes for me.

Katy Montgomery 18:40

Yeah, but I think it is so complicated and so I don't think it's just some boxes. I think it is what is your idea family? What does that look like? You know, what are you comparing yourself to in terms of other people in their family? Do you have a substitution for family? It's it's so complex than just a rubric, you know, and and say, okay, we meet these requirements.

Justin Joseph 19:06

Oh, I see, and this is so funny because again, it's just you and I different. I'm a I'm a check the boxes person. Like, did you do this, this, this, and they're bored this. And you're you you are more of in the like to live in the debate the ethics area. Do you think so?

Katy Montgomery 19:19

I mean, maybe, you know, I really do like a checklist too, but I think I think putting it in a checklist is probably too simplified. Um, and I think my guess is she probably hasn't processed a lot of what's going on.

Justin Joseph 19:33

How old is this woman again?

Katy Montgomery 19:34

I don't, I don't know.

Justin Joseph 19:35

Oh my god, it's just the saddest story I've ever heard.

Katy Montgomery 19:38

I know. And on that note, um when we come back, we're gonna talk about something people might make fun of us, and I'm like, how can you switch from something so traumatic and serious to the next topic? But we will leave you on a lighter note um when we come back after the break.

Justin Joseph 19:56

Thanks for streaming Wrong Way Forward, the weekly reminder that advice is usually free for a reason. We

Lighter Turn To Car Culture

Justin Joseph 20:02

call out bad advice wherever it hides boardrooms, break rooms, and even book clubs.

Katy Montgomery 20:07

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SPEAKER_00 20:26

Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katie and Justin.

Would You Donate The Kidney

Katy Montgomery 20:30

Hi, and we're back, and we're gonna really switch things to a much lighter note. Um, maybe to the point where it's completely ridiculous. So, Justin, I don't know if you have seen this, but I have been on walks with my sister, my brother in DC with friends, and I see this and I just have such a visceral reaction to it.

Justin Joseph 20:51

I have a visceral reaction to it. We're gonna build this up and then we're gonna drop it what it is. I have a visceral reaction to it because I I bitch about this all the time, and then I run into someone who falls in that category, and then I feel guilty.

SPEAKER_02 21:04

Okay, I hope we're talking about the same thing because what I'm talking about is people that own duck, uh excuse me, own Jeeps, and their dashboard

Jeep Ducks And The Need For Whimsy

SPEAKER_02 21:14

is covered with rubber ducks.

Justin Joseph 21:17

Of course, you're very, very specific, and I'm very, very broad. And so I'm gonna go to the city.

Katy Montgomery 21:21

Well, we'll get to yours and soon.

Justin Joseph 21:23

But then go ahead. The topic is what does your car say about you?

Katy Montgomery 21:28

Right. But particularly, I think we're gonna cover two types of cars that do some, as my dad would say, gooby things. Like you're a goober if you do this, and I've never used the word goobie.

Justin Joseph 21:39

I was gonna say that word I think went out.

Katy Montgomery 21:41

Well, let me ask you. We're bringing it back in.

Justin Joseph 21:43

All right.

Katy Montgomery 21:44

So if you've seen this, there are grown men and women driving Jeeps, and their dashboard is littered with different types of rubber duckies. I mean, it could be a sailor duck, a Harry Potter duck, a magician. Duck. And supposedly, this started by a woman named Alison Parliament in Ontario, Canada in 2020 during the pandemic. And what she would do is it was called duck duck jeep. And if she saw somebody who had a Jeep and she was a Jeep owner herself, she would leave a duck on the car hood, on the mirror, in an obvious place. And the idea is that it was a social movement about joy, kindness, and community among jeep um owners. And the idea is they were creating a duck pond and it kind of showed their sense of community. And I am just like, first of all, I see that and it looks messy, it looks childish. I'm also like the idea of like on my list of things to do, to go buy a hundred rubber duckies to then take to my car, leave in my car. And when I go to Target or I go to the grocery store, I've got to make sure to bring the ducks with me to then put on the Jeeps, just sounds like a lot of work. And so I was with my sister and I'm like, am I such a bitch? I'm like, if it's bringing these people joy, you know, cover your car with whatever.

Justin Joseph 23:13

This is but this is so you just to have an opinion about something like this. I mean, it doesn't have to be ducks on a dashboard. It could be could be a duck in a window. It could be when you walk in and someone's got collectibles.

SPEAKER_02 23:24

I don't know.

Justin Joseph 23:25

I just think remember I told you that guy used to date and he had collectible plates up on his. Didn't I? Wasn't that you I told him you were mortified? He had those collectibles.

Katy Montgomery 23:34

I like a collection. But Justin, this leads me. Yes, I do. I have quite a few myself, not of like rubber duckies. But what I thought was interesting, um, Justin, is like this is such a phenomenon that there's like a million followers on on like social media about this like duck duck cheap. But Justin, this will lead to the kind of car that I know from my recent trip to Denver that drives you crazy.

What Your Car Says About You

Justin Joseph 23:58

There is we definitely misunderstood each other what we were talking about in this block because I thought we were talking about what your car says about you. You have really um focused that to what jeep duckies on your Jeep dashboard say about you. So if we could just expand out so that I'm not the asshole once again in block C of episode 30. Um, my understanding is we were talking about what car your car says about you. And I asked Chat GPT, tell us what some cars say about you. And here's some funny ones. Tesla, I care about the environment, and I need you to know that I care about the environment. Ranger, I have money. I also have a second car for when this one is in the shop. That's true. That's BMW, turd signals are suggestion. Subaru,

Trauma Boundaries And Cutting Off Family

Justin Joseph 24:38

I hike, I own a dog, and I have strong opinions about oat milk. Which is the bigger thing.

SPEAKER_02 24:42

Well, and Justin, let me interrupt here. Justin hates a Subaru.

Justin Joseph 24:47

I have no problem with the Subaru. It's the Subaru driver that can sometimes cause me.

Katy Montgomery 24:52

But Justin, just like the rubber duckies, there is something called Moo Moo Subaru, and the goober Subaru owners are leaving plastic cows on each other's cars.

Justin Joseph 25:05

Okay, weird.

Katy Montgomery 25:07

It's weird, right?

Justin Joseph 25:08

It's totally weird.

Katy Montgomery 25:09

Are we terrible that we think that's weird?

Justin Joseph 25:11

No, but once again, I'm talking about some. I just want to clarify my thoughts on Subaru drivers. Generally, when I'm experiencing road rage because someone's not turning on right on red or driving slow, the first thing I do is experience my rage. The second thing I do is check my blood pressure, the third thing I do is I look at the car, and nine times out of ten, it is a Subaru. And I, this Joshua, my husband, who is the nicest human being around, this he will agree on this completely. And that will be the only thing he would agree with me on in all 30 episodes. Why, why do you think I mean, what is your hypothesis of my hypothesis is that it's the type of the person who drives a Subaru is a I think it says it right here. I hike, I own a dog, I have strong opinions about oat milk. I think that that's the type of person that drives a Subaru, and they're um so therefore they're not a good driver?

SPEAKER_02 26:00

That's where I'm where I'm missing the connection.

Justin Joseph 26:02

They're not I am an overly aggressive driver, which would not shock you. And they are a very conservative driver. And again, that is not a slam. It's just we literally clash worlds in the car. Yes, that's because they're trying not to kill the environment or dogs or they're just yeah, they're being good, they're being they're good drivers, but they're just not agr, they're not what's not aggressive, they're not um you know, they don't turn right on assertive, they don't turn right on red.

Katy Montgomery 26:30

Oh, see, that would drive me crazy.

Justin Joseph 26:32

Yes, and I'm like, go.

Katy Montgomery 26:34

Yeah, I also I'll tell you another car I can't stand. I don't know if it's like a Mustang or a GTO, but when you push the gas, it's like it makes that sound. And they always try to cross like multiple lines of traffic, and I'm like, you're driving forward. You're I mean, just get over it.

Justin Joseph 26:52

Me too. And the last thing I'll say about you what your car says about you is you know, I got a new car when the tariffs came out. I was worried I was never gonna be able to afford a nice car again. And I in my job, I to some degree, I and I do love that about my job that I have to drive a nice car because it I mean, don't get me wrong. Uh anyway, um, the license I do I hate the DMV, and so I was like, Oh, you can get mail and license plates now. So I went to get mail it in. They're like, you can only do that with vanity plates. Yeah, vanity plates are gross, yes, but I'm not waiting in the DMVs, so I will do a vanity plate, but then I'm like, what am I gonna put on my vanity plate? So I put B E C K, my dog's for Beckham, and her 523. So now my vanity plate says Beck 523, which still feels very douchey to me. Yeah, but I'm like, what am I gonna do? One, two, three, four, five, six. I mean, uh, vanity plate is still a vanity plate, but anyway, gross.

Katy Montgomery 27:42

Yeah, so it what I think would be really interesting is to hear from our viewers are we are we killers of fun and killer

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of whimsy that we do not agree with.

Justin Joseph 27:53

I'll start with that. Yes, we are.

Katy Montgomery 27:55

That we do not agree with duck duck jeep and moo moo subaroo. And do you think do you have particular connotations with certain types of cars and feel that certain personalities are attracted to cars and those show up in kind of driving? We would love to hear from you on that.

Justin Joseph 28:13

Yeah, we would. Our text line is 720251 4450. Again, 720251-4450. Let us know your thoughts on all things kidney donations um and Jeeps, duckies on Jeeps and Subaros. Let us know.

Katy Montgomery 28:29

There you go. You can also get in touch with us at Wrongwayforward Podcast at Gmail, or you can find us on all of our social media platforms.

Justin Joseph 28:37

Bye, everybody.

Katy Montgomery 28:38

Bye.

Justin Joseph 28:39

All right, that's a wrap on this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward. Remember, the only thing worse than taking bad advice is giving it.

Katy Montgomery 28:46

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Justin Joseph 29:00

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