30. Stop Falling, Start Listening: The War With Aging Parents

This week on Wrong Way Forward, we tackle something no one wants to deal with—but everyone eventually has to:

Your parents are getting older… and they’re not listening to you.

We break down a Dear Abby letter where a daughter is watching her mom fall—literally—while refusing to use a walker… and still making casino runs like nothing’s wrong.

So what’s the right move?

Do you step in and take control?
 Do you respect their independence… even if it puts them at risk?
 Or are you just slowly becoming your parents’ risk manager?

We get into:

•  Why traditional advice completely misses the emotional reality 
•  How to reframe “safety” as independence (so they’ll actually listen) 
•  The conversations families avoid… until it’s too late 
•  The guilt of not showing up enough—and the uncomfortable truth behind it 

And then… we hit the moment that will stay with you:

The math of how much time you actually have left with your parents.

(It’s less than you think.)

Plus:

•  Family tension around money, care, and control 
•  Why denial is usually just fear in disguise 
•  And how to have these conversations before everything blows up 

If you’ve ever felt stuck between loving your parents and wanting to shake them… this episode is for you.

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Transcript

Welcome And The Week’s Topic

Speaker 1 0:01

She's Katy Montgomery. He's Justin Joseph. These best friends are serving subpoenas to bad advice weekly with Wrong Way Forward. Now, here's Katy and Justin.

Justin Joseph 0:11

Hi, everybody. Welcome to this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward. Last week we covered some hot topics in territory over a woman who gave up her kidney. We talked about people, what their car says about them. This week we're taking on kind of a new topic, one that I think is something that most people can relate to. How you deal with aging parents.

Katy Montgomery 0:30

And Justin, that is true. You know, and unfortunately, I didn't get to the point where my parents were truly aging. I lost my mom when she was 64. I lost my dad when he was 73 and was still working full-time. They were both kind of able-bodied, very healthy people. But being at being in middle age, I am hearing where people are starting to get very concerned about their parents. And it's interesting, we're seeing a lot of pushback from parents of like not wanting to downsize, not wanting to move into, you know, kind of a residential assisted kind of living space. And what does that mean?

Dear Abby Letter On Falls

Katy Montgomery 1:08

So we do have a dear Abby column, and we're going to see whether or not Abby gave good advice. Um, the topic here is aging mother refuses to acknowledge risk of falling. So the person writes in and says, Dear Abby, I moved across the country nine years ago to be closer to my parents as they age. They are now in their early to mid 80s. My mother has recently had a few falls. One was bad enough that she had to be taken by an ambulance to the ER because she was not able to stand. I suspect some of her following is due to having a drink or two at the casino, which affects her balance. Let me just interrupt. I kind of love her mother already. Um, I have been saying for almost a year that my mother needs a walker because it has fallen on deaf ears. I took it upon myself to buy her a walker and a shower chair. She and dad are still convinced she doesn't need a walker. Abby, when we got to the hospital, she needed assistance to use the bathroom because she couldn't stand or walk on her own after the fall. Today I learned she and my dad went to the casino without the walker. I am beside myself. They are either in denial or just don't want to listen to me. But I'm at my wit's end because I'm sure this will happen again. I'm afraid her next fall may result in broken bones or worse. Any advice, fearful daughter in Las Vegas. And so Abby writes back, dear daughter, you may be trying to reason with the wrong parent. Assuming that they are both in their right minds, tell your father that with the history of falls that your mother has, the result of the next one could be serious. Neither of them is a spring chicken. If either one, particularly your mother, were to break a hip and be bedridden, it could lead to pneumonia or death. If they take light of it, get their doctor to weigh in. And that is all that Abby

Why The Advice Misses The Point

Katy Montgomery 2:55

said. And so, Justin, Abby's advice. Wrong way forward.

Justin Joseph 3:00

I think it is the wrong way forward. I mean, as a child, you um you have a a right and a duty, I think, to get involved in something like this because it does come down. Um, it will fall on her lap if this isn't addressed, right? And I also think when you're when you're looking at your parents in a loving relationship, um, they're gonna make decisions. I think um that they have a tendency to make decisions more from emotion than from logic, because they are thinking about, you know, uh things that you and I wouldn't be thinking about. That's my guess. Um, so yeah, I think that she can talk to the father, but she really needs to have a sit-down with both of them and say, this is important to me because of X, Y, Z reasons. I, you know, mostly because I want you to be around for a long time, but also because, you know, if if if you do have a fall, that's not just a fall. That at that age, those falls have are a domino effect to something much worse. Your thoughts?

Katy Montgomery 3:54

Well, I think first of all, Abby is completely wrong. I mean, just saying, you know, you're not a spring chicken and this can be worse. I think what someone's not doing is really showing true empathy and trying to put themselves into their parents' shoes. And I think denial is usually a way to cover fear. My guess is that there are a number of heavy emotions going on here. They're scared, they're insecure, they're humiliated, they're feeling maybe, you know, and I've heard this with aging. It's the concept of mattering. Like, do you matter anymore? So they might be feeling insignificance, worthlessness, feeling inadequate. And so here is a parent that has always been the provider. They took care of you and to kind of patronize and talk down to them and say, you know, a fall can lead to a hospital stay, which can lead to pneumonia, which could lead to death, again, as Abby said, if they're in their right mind, they know that, right? And so I think the idea is can you put yourself in their shoes and kind of understand what they're thinking and how they're feeling?

Reframing Safety As Independence

Katy Montgomery 5:06

And if you can understand where they're coming from, you might reframe what you're saying.

Justin Joseph 5:11

So you thought I was the wrong way forward as well.

Katy Montgomery 5:13

Yeah, because I think it's very interesting. I actually think my father would have been a horrible old person because he was athletic and well and young at heart and very smart. And I think certain things slowing him down, he was a proud man and an active man. And I think rather than accepting it, reframing it, and owning it, I think he would have dug his hills in and fought it.

Justin Joseph 5:40

And I think you guys would have fought, I mean, because you had no problem telling him.

Katy Montgomery 5:44

Probably. And I think I probably didn't have the right frame of mind to understand that this is somewhat an identity crisis. He's been the provider, he's been healthy, he's been well, he's been a business owner, he's been a physician. And then I probably also didn't think of what they called the slope theory, right? A slippery slope. You know, you tell me I need a walker, that immediately makes me think of a nursing home. Yeah. And so it's kind of baby steps. And so I think the question here is how do we reframe and instead say, I want you to be independent. I want you to go to the casino. I want you to live on your own. We can do that, and you can do that for a longer period of time if we implement these things, right? You can maintain your identity, you can maintain um your independence. I think there would have been a better way to word this. And I think Abby was pretty flippant with it. Um and here's the thing, too, that I think people forget is the dad, it was like cracks me up. Like they're all living in Las Vegas and they're just running over to the casino, having a few beverages and playing. Dad doesn't want to lose his drinking buddy. His drinking buddy, his casino buddy. And you know what? He probably doesn't want to deal with the walker himself.

Justin Joseph 6:59

A hundred percent.

Katy Montgomery 7:00

And so, and again, he's probably in denial, also, because this is his significant other. And so I think saying go to the dad is not necessarily the right way forward either.

Justin Joseph 7:13

Yeah, well, you know, we're dealing with this in my own family, and I'll I I you know, I want to be careful. Um, it was funny because growing up, I watched my grandfather, my father care for my grandfather, was ailing, and like one story I remember him telling me is we were at a casino, and my grandfather who had Parkinson's was shaking at the casino pretty badly, and he could he was have tr having trouble talking then. And my dad told the story that he leaned over to him and said, um, bourbon. And my dad didn't know what that meant. And then he realized that my grandfather wanted a bourbon and he wasn't allowed to drink, but my father got him one, and you know, and he stopped shaking. And, you know, it's so I watching that, and then now my grandmother is in a nursing home and she's struggling. But my father also, my mom is starting to reel things in with him as well. Um, you know, they're did I tell you they're moving out of Colorado? No, yeah, the word they're putting their house on the market here because she's preparing for those those similar things, and so um, so it's interesting to have watched them cared for their grandparents. Now I'm watching my mother care for him. And, you know, but there's no guarantee that she she won't go first. Do you know what I mean?

Katy Montgomery 8:20

Yeah, and I think what's interesting is I think there's a lot of families, and I think we talked about this the other day with like when you onboard a new employee or you're building out a team, you contract together before anything becomes uncomfortable, right? You kind of hypothetically why are families not talking about this when their parents are in their 50s and early 60s, you know? We're not talking about money or the estate, you know, things when everybody is kind of clear-headed, you know, there isn't the emotion involved, there's not the kind of immediacy of the decision. And, you know, thinking back, I would have loved to have had a conversation, you know, with my parents at probably about the age that they would be now, heading towards kind of closer to the 80s, I would have said, okay, what does this look like? You know, you're not no one's moving today, no one needs to move today. Y'all are super able-bodied and bright and engaged. But can we talk about it now while it's not, you know, right on the horizon? And I think that's something that's really important to do. And I think also people don't really see the reality of something when they're in denial. I mean, I'm just moving out for 10 months. Think about closing down these homes that people have lived in for 30, 40 years. It is a massive undertaking. And I don't know if you've heard, um, I'm not gonna remember the country, um, but it's a Nordic country, but it's the idea called death cleaning. And the idea is you start cleaning and reducing the items in your home as a kindness, as a gift to the next generation. So that's my mother. When you do pass, they don't have the burden, and it is a massive burden to close down a home.

Speaker 2 10:04

Yeah, my mother that's literally what we're doing.

Katy Montgomery 10:06

Yeah, and we don't live in the size of homes that are, you know, the previous generations did, you know. And so, you know, why aren't we having those conversations now?

Justin Joseph 10:14

Well, and let's talk about on the other side because you know, we did have that conversation in our family, and it didn't go well. Um, we'll talk about that on the other

Family Planning Talks And Money Tension

Justin Joseph 10:21

side. It was a difficult conversation. Um, we'll be right back.

Katy Montgomery 10:24

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Justin Joseph 10:31

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Katy Montgomery 10:36

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Speaker 1 10:46

Now back to Wrong Way Forward. Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katy and Justin Podcast.

Justin Joseph 10:52

Welcome back to this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward, where we are talking about aging parents and the right way and wrong way forward. We talked about a column where a woman was watching her mom take some falls in a casino with or without drinks. The father was okay with that because he wants a drinking buddy, we suspect, um, and how she handled this. And when we left the break, we were talking about difficult conversations to have with family. And Katy was mentioning that families should be having these conversations. And my mom orchestrated a conversation like that with our family um gosh, last year. And it it it was a difficult conversation because, you know, I mean, it's you know, I obviously I don't want to reveal things that happened in it, but it was just when you start talking about finances and you know, what the care plan is, all of those things, you know, she's looking at it from one standpoint, kids are looking at it from a different standpoint. It was it was hard. And like you said, maybe it's better to have those conversations many years before you're in the middle of it. Um, but it's hard until you are dealing with that.

Katy Montgomery 11:49

Right. And I think, you know, what I found is that, you know, when my mother passed away, my dad had had something medical. It was small. I mean, it might have been like a rotator cuff surgery or something, you know, of kind of little consequence. And he didn't tell us because he didn't want to bother us. And we were all together on vacation, and the four kids just ripped into my dad. And he ended up going to bed a little bit earlier and then he woke up and he came out and he's like, Are y'all talking about? He goes, Are y'all talking about me? And we're like, Yeah, we are, you asshole. Like you, we only have one parent. You've got to be honest with us. Like, you are still transparent. Yeah, you are still in the parent role, but we need to know if you're going into surgery. We need to know if you need help. Like that is part of the the cycle, you know. That is the reason why you built a good family and good kids and, you know, and people who want to rely on each other, you know, if if we're all gonna, you know, live in a silo and not help one another, what's the intention of family? And it really took to him, and then he started informing us along the way, but we really had to kind of, you know, put it into kind of terms that he could get beyond this. I don't want to be a burden, I'm the parent, I don't want to bother my children, and to kind of be like, it's actually hurts more and it bothers us more when you don't. Yeah. And he was instead in his space, not in the kind of you know, bigger space. And I think this is a really kind of difficult conversation. And what is happening in this case, which I think also Abby didn't address, is this woman says, I'm at my wit's end. Yeah. And she's getting to the point where help she's in fight or flight. She is not being productive with her parents. And then what she's doing is she's going on and making decisions and purchases and making comments, and she's just trying to grab the bull by the horns because she's so anxious. And so she's like, I'm going to purchase it without their agreement or consent. And so what she's got to do is get out of that space, or she's never going to be productive with her parents.

Justin Joseph 13:59

100%. And you know, it brings up some other thoughts on, you know, again, I because this is an ongoing thing with my family. I'm careful about what I'm saying. But there were two things that were interesting because, you know, my parents split time between Florida and Colorado. My mom is moving their life back here. So we are doing the go over to their house thing when they get back here in April to pick everything every anything you want, everything else is gone. Um, so we're doing that, but she's moving their life to call to Florida because um that's the home they know. But there was tension because, you know, it we live here and and you know, and so it's it's it's it's hard to reconcile those two things. And so we're gonna have to make a much bigger effort to get there to see them and all of that kind of stuff. Um, but it does feel isolating, I would say. And that was part of the conversation. And the other thing on the finance is like they're like we're an open book, and I'm like, well, I'm not gonna come over and go through your books. That's not, you know, that's not comfortable for me. And so there's just a lot of awkward conversations that are really dealing with death, and that's hard when you're dealing with a parent.

Katy Montgomery 15:00

I think it's hard because you're like, you're leaving me, I'm here. The reframe is you are in your later years, you are gonna be more comfortable at ease there. So it's it is their decision. And we understand that.

The Math Of Time Left

Katy Montgomery 15:16

Yeah, you know what I think is really interesting, and I'm probably gonna butcher this, but I read this article in the New York Times years ago, and it really, really stuck with me. And it was talking about like how as you kind of get older, the sense of time goes away. So when you're up to age 18, if you don't go away for like boarding school, you live in the house with your parents, you see them all the time, right? And then in college, you see them, you know, maybe even in the full summer, but you see them maybe four weeks, five weeks. But as you get older, and the guy gave this example, he goes, I see my parents on average, maybe not even two weeks a year. And he said, thinking that I'm 60 and my parents are 85, if I do the math and my parents live till 90, I'm only gonna see them for about three more months for the rest of my life.

Speaker 2 16:05

Isn't that crazy?

Katy Montgomery 16:06

It is crazy. But then if you do the math, that's and he said, you know, it's one of those things. Like he's like, I live in New York and I love to go to the Met. I only go to the Met one time a year. But now at age 60, I'm like, if I live to 85, I'm only gonna go to the Met 25 more times. That might motivate me to go more frequently. And so when you said that, it made me think, you know, do the math, and numbers diminish, you know, as you get older because time gets crunched, is like, how much time do you want to spend with your parents? And sometimes it's harder to spend time with older parents. I mean, I remember sometimes like going and seeing my grandmother who was in her 90s, and I'm like, what the hell are we gonna talk about for like a full day? It was it was a lot of work, it was very exhausting. As you get old, you get into a certain routine. And so sometimes it's hard to go visit because it's not the lively trip y'all used to take or this or that.

Justin Joseph 17:05

You're not gonna make you a steak dinner and gonna sit around and laugh and have wine.

Katy Montgomery 17:08

Yeah, exactly. And like, you know, they're going to bed earlier and they're not drinking as much, and you know, and um, and so I sometimes they get more conservative, you name it. Different things happen as people age. I think it's also having a really frank discussion within your own family unit as okay, with the diminishing returns on time, what does that look like? And what do we want to agree to? And how do we want to spend that time? And how do we make the time most productive? So I have some friends who are like, I'm gonna go visit my parents very frequently, but I can't stay more than four days because I go crazy. And that's and I think really thinking of that ahead of time is important to kind of set in that routine and make that commitment to see your parents.

Guilt About Visits And Accountability

Justin Joseph 17:52

Well, even like you know, my grand my grandmother is in a home, and my brother, because uh, we've talked about this before, he was always the grandparents' favorite. He's been down there like six 16 times. He flies down and drives up. It's like this huge thing. And I have not been down there once, and I have guilt over that.

Katy Montgomery 18:07

But well, you should.

Justin Joseph 18:08

Well, thank you. And that's this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward. That sums up wrong way forward for 30 seasons, 30 episodes.

Katy Montgomery 18:17

Justin, do you want to just go once?

Justin Joseph 18:20

I do, but it it's a it's a huge this is gonna sound awful. It's uh no, I can't say that.

Katy Montgomery 18:25

I know exactly what you're saying, and I know exactly what you're feeling, but it's like you're also having the guilt. And I am having guilt.

Justin Joseph 18:32

It's my not because of me. I mean, my parents moved us out of Colorado when I was five. I never knew the knew her, but it's I'm having guilt because that's my father's mother, not because of the relationship I don't have with her. You know, I would hate if I had a child for them to be like, well, you don't you don't care about my I would be thinking you don't care about my mom. That's where I have guilt. But I feel like that ship has sailed. I don't know.

Katy Montgomery 18:54

I don't know. I think maybe like what's the way to reframe that is like, yeah, it's kind of a pain in the ass to get there and it's a lot of work. It I just again I think back to to particularly older people who are in homes. The concept of mattering, like one visit, like for you, like you know, I come out there one visit, you're like, oh, it's fun to have Katy. Like for them, it has so much meaning. Does that help at all?

Justin Joseph 19:21

My shoulders just um TSA lines are so long right now. I'm just kidding.

Katy Montgomery 19:29

You just you know, this is what we call in coaching when you get to the action and accountability place. You know, you generally want someone to take action and then kind of how are they gonna hold themselves accountable on the action? And people can get really squishy here.

Justin Joseph 19:43

Like, yeah, I'm squish, I'm squishing and sweating like a son of people.

Katy Montgomery 19:46

You are like DSA lines, and it's like, oh, I gotta run a car, and it's like the price of fuel. I mean, it's like you are doing the classic like dodging and squishiness.

Justin Joseph 19:56

But yeah, I am, and you know, I will say this, and this is the selfish part of me. As I get older, like the time I leave my home, the comfort of my home and my two lovely animals and my husband is precious to me. And so, yeah, it's like a it's a balancing thing.

Katy Montgomery 20:12

And so I know, I totally get it.

Justin Joseph 20:14

It's I'm a disgusting person. All right.

Katy Montgomery 20:19

Well, what how about in the next block we do something lighter?

Justin Joseph 20:22

Oh, like we were talking about doing Savannah Guthrie's mother being kidnapped? That sounds great. We'll be back right after this. Thanks for streaming Wrong Way Forward, the weekly reminder that advice is usually free for a reason. We call out bad advice wherever it hides boardrooms, break rooms, and even book clubs.

Katy Montgomery 20:40

Enjoying this dumpster fire, like, subscribe, and check back every Thursday for new episodes. Want us to roast your favorite piece of nonsense? Email us at wrongwayforwardpodcast at gmail.com. Be sure to include your contact info. We're not psychic, just judgmental. And now back to Wrong Way Forward.

Speaker 1 20:59

Roasting the worst advice

Savannah Guthrie’s Mom And Terror

Speaker 1 21:00

ever. Welcome back to the Katy and Justin.

Justin Joseph 21:02

Coming out, we were talking about whether we should talk about something lighter. And then I and this has been bothering me that I've wanted to talk about this for 30 episodes, and Katy just has no interest in it.

Katy Montgomery 21:12

That's that's not true, but why don't you tell our listeners what what you are so desperate to talk about?

Justin Joseph 21:18

I want to talk about this Savannah Guthrie, this crazy person, the person that I see in my dreams now, because they showed us the stupid video video of him going up to the door, this crazy masked person. The fact that he would go into someone's house and kidnap an what is she, 84-year-old woman. Yeah. So on the news recently, Savannah Guthrie did her first interview. And of course, I was gripped by it. And they asked her, what was that call like when you got it? And she said, I had been taking the boys out. Um, she lives in New York. I was taking the boys out. I had just gotten home. Mike, her husband, had just gotten home from a golf trip. They were kids were running around, they were thinking about dinner, and the phone rang, and it was her sister. Did you see this interview, Katy?

Katy Montgomery 21:57

I haven't. I've seen little snippets.

Justin Joseph 21:58

Yeah, they said it was her sister. And the sister was crying and said, 'Mom's gone.' And Savannah said, 'Well, what do you mean mom's gone?' And she said, 'She's not here.' And Savannah's, so they talked and she said, 'Well, call 911.' And she said, 'I we have called 911. Everyone's here at the house. She's not here. And she said the doors were propped open, and so they assumed that there was a paramedic who came in and took her out. And just hearing the horror, and this resonated with me so much. She says all she can do is wake up in the middle of the night and think of her mother opening her eyes and seeing that crazy man standing over her and how terrifying that would be. And then she has guilt that you know, what because this was her.

Katy Montgomery 22:37

And so I mean, I two comments. I, you know, when both of my parents died, I was pretty obsessed with what did they feel while it happened. So, like when my mom was hit by the car and she went in the air and then landed on her head, like, was she scared, you know? Or when my dad was, you know, in the plane and it was going down, like, was he scared? And I was just so obsessed with them having their last moments on earth, having fear. I just I didn't want them to have fear. Um, and again, we don't know what death is like, right? And they were both big people of faith. And so, you know, who knows what happens.

Justin Joseph 23:18

There are a lot of parallels.

Katy Montgomery 23:20

So I understand that stress. The other thing that where my heart really, really goes out to her, and this is not perfectly analogous, but I have worked with people who know they're going to lose their job. They don't know when, they don't know how, but they know it's coming. Um, and they have found it is sitting in the gray, sitting in that ambiguity is so exhausting. And then they would finally get the you know, redundancy package, or you know, um, or they would finally get the notice, and they would say, I just feel such relief because I know what I'm doing now. And it made me think about Savannah, and again, of course, she does not want to know that her mother has passed, but that horrific feeling of not knowing it is that ambiguity, that grayness, that unknown, it can literally eat you away. And so I my heart just goes out to her for everything, but just sitting in that space is so traumatizing, exhausting, um, and overwhelming. And I that's where my heart just breaks for her and her family.

Justin Joseph 24:32

On

Faith Grief And Finding Peace

Justin Joseph 24:33

that note, the other part of the interview they asked her about was, you know, there she's a big woman of faith. I didn't even know that. I know I know that only because I've been watching so much coverage, and they that's been a big part of the coverage, is the mom was a big woman of faith. Savannah is a wrote a book on faith, all of that. And so that's been a huge part of her journey here. And she said all she's done is praying because, like you, she wanted peace. She wanted to know where they're at. And she said she she believes the voice of God spoke to her one night. She was praying, where is she? What's going on? And and she heard a voice say, She's with me. And she said, you know, I don't know whether that means she's with her on the earth somewhere. I assume it means she's within heaven, but it sounded like that brought her some peace. How did you find peace to figure out what you were going through to answer that question of fear?

Katy Montgomery 25:19

Um, you know, I think it just for me, you know, somewhat faith, but I think also um, you know, spending time with with loved ones, knowing the impact my parents had on earth, you know, knowing what good they did. You know, a few people said things to me, and I mean we can talk about, you know, this in kind of a future episode because I know a lot of people are experiencing um terrible loss, but you know, a few things people would say things like, your mama raised you to be able to handle this, you know, or someone told me this one time, and people are listening are gonna be like, That's really cheesy. And somebody said, God always takes the good ones early. And I that it's kind of cheesy, but it just really kind of resonated with me. But it takes time, and I have a few friends who've had significant losses lately, and it will always hurt, it's just not as deep and intense, but there are still moments when um I just really, really miss them, you know, like and and particular things like, you know, right now I'm working with a lot of physicians and I would just like, oh, and I'm building out this um course and I want to do this um kind of facilitated thing, and I'm thinking about pulling something from the pit, and it's I don't know, I love the pit on HBO, and pulling out I'm like, I would just love to have my dad as a doctor to talk through and say, what does this look like if I use this as a scenario? And he would be so excited and so interested, and you know, and I think about you know, those kind of things, but you start to have a reframe where you have those moments and it makes you cry, and then you they eventually evolve into moments where I'm like, I'm so grateful I had that kind of relationship with my father where we could talk about that and that he was intellectually curious and he was interested in what I do and how grateful I am for that.

Justin Joseph 27:13

So, but really and our podcast, he would have loved our podcast. We could wrap up by the last time I saw Katy's father, we were in a bar in New Orleans and I cried to him.

Katy Montgomery 27:24

You did, and my dad thought it was very strange, but he still really loved you because he still he still remembers you coming to our house and we were sitting out by the pool having drinks, and you were just reading a John Grisham book, and he goes, Well, that guy sure just does make himself at home.

Speaker 2 27:43

I cried to him because Katy had spent so five years of her seas, and I was like, uh, why did you let her go? I had not too much to drink.

Katy Montgomery 27:50

Anyway, you did. You also said from that.

Speaker 2 27:53

I was not gonna say this.

Katy Montgomery 27:54

You said that line from Saxon City. You said something like, I think you said to Nikki, we let's go get our girl. That's right.

Listener Ways To Reach Us

Justin Joseph 28:02

All right. Well, on that note, we did we always try and keep this light and fun. And so this last C block took a turn, but it was a good turn. And so uh as always, we thank you everybody for listening. You can text us your thoughts on this show or any of our episodes at 721-720-251-4450, 720-251-4450. And Katy, you take us out.

Katy Montgomery 28:22

Yeah, and please also we love to hear from you by email. That's RonwayForward Podcast at gmail.com. You can also find us on all of our social media. And if you want to see our video, you can check us out on YouTube. We'll see you next week.

Justin Joseph 28:35

All right, that's a wrap on this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward. Remember, the only thing worse than taking bad advice is giving it.

Katy Montgomery 28:42

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Justin Joseph 28:56

Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Romway Forward.