31. Smoke Signals: Your Marriage Is in Trouble

This week on Wrong Way Forward, Katy and Justin tackle a deceptively simple question that spirals into a full-blown relationship debate:
If you’re the breadwinner, do you get to decide what your partner spends money on?

It starts with cigarettes—but quickly turns into something much bigger.

When a husband refuses to fund his wife’s smoking habit, is he setting a reasonable boundary… or quietly turning into a financial dictator? And once you start controlling one expense, where does it stop? Snacks? Cocktails? Tattoos? Your entire personality?

Along the way, Katy and Justin unpack:

•  The fine line between budgeting and control 
•  Why money is the #1 relationship landmine 
•  The “slippery slope” of approving your partner’s choices 
•  And the real question no one wants to ask:
   Is this about finances… or attraction?

Plus, things take a turn into modern vices, relationship dealbreakers, and the cultural rabbit hole of “bimbofication” (yes, really).

It’s messy, it’s funny, and it’s exactly the kind of bad advice we love to roast.

Transcript

Cold Open And Host Banter

Speaker 0:00

She's Katy Montgomery. He's Justin Joseph. These best friends are serving subpoenas to bad advice weekly with Wrong Way Forward. Now here's Katy and Justin.

Katy Montgomery 0:12

Hi everyone and welcome to Wrong Way Forward. This is the podcast where we roast advice. My name is Katy Montgomery, and I'm here with my best friend Justin.

Justin Joseph 0:20

Katy, you need to, for our YouTubers, you need to fix your glasses. I think they're caught up in your headphones. Do you see yourself? It's like this.

Katy Montgomery 0:29

Well, here's the thing. I put on, I'm this is gonna sound obnoxious, but I have very long eyelashes, and I put on extra mascara before we go on camera, and my eyelashes are hitting my glasses.

Justin Joseph 0:42

Oh.

Katy Montgomery 0:42

But I need the glasses to read the text. It is so something's gotta give here. I've either got to be eyelashless. I've either got to have my eye, I can't read the script, or we're not gonna be wearing, you know, glasses at all.

Justin Joseph 0:56

It is it is a pre preview of buttloxy bimbofication.

Katy Montgomery 1:02

But a bimbo wouldn't wear glasses unless she was playing like a naughty secretary.

Justin Joseph 1:06

Well, I've never understood that we're gonna talk about bimbofication in the show, but I've never I don't know why they're calling it that.

Katy Montgomery 1:12

I mean, I'm excited to talk about it as long as I don't have to say that word because I'll butcher it. When you know I'm not very good with the English language.

Justin Joseph 1:18

Well, you know, like the other hard word to say right now is apocalyptic apocalypse. Have you seen this AI movie that's out? It's called How I Became an Apocalypse. It's these people who are so freaked out about AI that it's gonna end the world. Anyway, we'll talk that in a future episode.

Katy Montgomery 1:32

You know what another word is really hard to say that I'm not even gonna say it, but you know, we're about to celebrate 250 years of the founding of our country, and that's a word I can't founding? It's like it's like a something, something centennial, but it's a really hard word to say too.

Justin Joseph 1:50

Another word that's hard to say?

Katy Montgomery 1:51

Yeah, there's a lot.

Justin Joseph 1:52

I'm sorry.

Katy Montgomery 1:55

I love how you said founding. I mean, Justin, the bar's not that low. I'm not that dull. I'm actually not a bimbo. I'm actually the opposite of a bimbo.

Justin Joseph 2:06

No, I okay.

Katy Montgomery 2:07

All right, we're talented and gifted, Justin. You are talented and gifted, I know.

Justin Joseph 2:11

We should take a live on air test for talented and gifted and see what that looks like at 52.

Katy Montgomery 2:15

Well, you know, it's so funny because I begged my mom all the time to tell me what my um IQ was, and let's she said, never gonna tell you, Katy, you don't need to know that. Let's just say you barely made the cutoff.

Justin Joseph 2:27

Well, I told you I've told that story there that my mother dragged me up for talented gifts.

Katy Montgomery 2:33

That was me giving a low blow. But let's

The Cigarette Money Question

Katy Montgomery 2:36

get back to the topic. We are here to kind of talk about it.

Justin Joseph 2:39

Enough with all of the fun of the show.

Katy Montgomery 2:41

Enough with all of the fun. We'll save that for block C. But we are here to kind of talk about advice. And there was a really interesting question in the New York Times in the um ethicist, talk about another hard word, and I'm gonna read that to you. Um it says, My wife doesn't work and she depends on me financially. This is an agreement we've had for years, and it works well for both of us. We live comfortably but on a tight monthly budget. When I met her 10 years ago, she didn't smoke. I knew she had smoked before, but she assured me that she had stopped entirely. Some months ago, though, she started smoking again. We talked about it, and I told her my position was that obviously she was free to smoke as long as she did so outside the house, and that the money for her cigarettes would not be included in our budget planning. She would somehow have to find the money somewhere else. I think her smoking is terrible for us as a family since it increases the chances of her getting sick, and I don't want to have anything to do with that. But it's clear that she resents my position. I have never said no to something she has asked for, and this is creating a division between us. Should I pay for my wife's cigarettes? And the response is a little long, but basically says, your position's easy to grasp. Why should you subsidize a deplorable hot habit? Step back and consider the basic situation here. Because you earn all the family income, you've taken it on yourself to exercise complete control over it. Giving yourself unilateral veto power over your wife's expenditures. That's a problem, and she has cause to resent your position. You're not treating your wife as a partner, and you're genuinely treating the household earnings as a shared resource. You've left her like a Victorian wife, reduced to pawning her earnings for spending money. Excuse me, pawning her earrings. Given that presumably she contributes to the household in other ways, including through her labor, it makes sense to treat your earnings as your family's and to give her discretionary income. If she chooses to spend her share on cigarettes, that's her choice. And then he goes on to say, at the same time, you can actually stress that you would really wish that she would quit, and it's

The Ethicist On Shared Income

Katy Montgomery 4:50

not about the money, it's more about her health. Right. Um, and saying, you know, but then withholding the money and and exploiting financial leverage is not a way to discuss kicking the habit.

Justin Joseph 5:01

Right.

Katy Montgomery 5:01

And so, Justin, do you think that this is the right advice?

Justin Joseph 5:06

Um basically, he's the just so that I understand, they're basically saying that this guy can't control her like a Victorian Barbie doll, right?

Katy Montgomery 5:20

I just just want to state that I don't think Barbie existed during the Victorian era.

Justin Joseph 5:24

But he's treating her like he's he's he's um Chateauerie. What do you call it? Chattel. Remember from law school.

Katy Montgomery 5:34

I was like, like Chakuterie? No, Justin.

Justin Joseph 5:38

He's treating her like chattel.

Katy Montgomery 5:39

I mean, Justin, anyone who listens to this episode is gonna be like, who are these two bozo idiots who have a podcast?

Justin Joseph 5:48

Oh goodness, he's treating her like chat or chattel. It's one of the two. Um, yes. Do I think it's the right right advice? I do think it's, I mean, look, I think smoking is the most disgusting habit on the face of the earth.

Katy Montgomery 6:02

I've done it, but it is disgusting.

Justin Joseph 6:04

Yeah, I've never, you know me, I never end a party early, but like when Josh and I first started dating, I'd have after hours all the time. One time I'm probably like on our third time at After Hours, I came over to this when I lived in Omaha in uh mid-rise, and I came over to the window, he was smoking out the window with somebody, and you know, Josh will do anything with anyone. I was like, What? I ended that party in two seconds, kicked everyone out. I was furious. So, anyway, I think it's a nasty habit, but when you allow someone, when you take someone on as a partner and you're going to support them, you also take all that on. This guy's issue is not

When Budgeting Turns Into Control

Justin Joseph 6:35

with supporting or this guy's issue is he doesn't like smoking. Do you think so?

Katy Montgomery 6:38

I mean, I think so. I think my bigger issue that I think the ethicist from the New York Times doesn't cover is this is a slippery slope, right? If we start to withhold funds because we don't approve of how it's being spent, we could say, okay, well, you know, you're putting on a few extra pounds. I don't agree with your purchase of Snickers, or, you know, I don't agree with your purchase of porn, or I don't agree, you know, with your having the second martini. I mean, this I think is a slippery slope. And once you start to kind of have a do-and-don't list, um, it is starting to exert a kind of control and it's it's getting away from what the original intention was is that this is how we're going to handle our shared um finances. And I am the sole breadwinner, but again, and I think the ethicist is correct, is that there's an assumption that that person is bringing something to the table, taking care of the home, taking care of, you know, certain things that he is not, and that they are, you know, therefore contributing to the household.

Justin Joseph 7:37

Right. She needs to start a business called homemaker LLC, and every week she needs to invoice him for her work, and then she won't be making her own money, and then she can do what the hell she wants.

Katy Montgomery 7:46

Having what do you think about this though, Justin? I'm sorry I didn't mean to interrupt you, but you know, he was very clear that he was anti-smoking before they started the relationship and before they started this financial arrangement. She said, I do not smoke, I have stopped it entirely, and then she picked it up in the last three months. So is that dishonest?

Justin Joseph 8:06

Um, yes, I think that it's that's totally fair that

Boundaries Around Smoking At Home

Justin Joseph 8:10

he's he was upfront with that. The issue he's having now is that it's back in, and he can approach it's this is all about how he approached this. He can say, uh that was a deal breaker before, it's a deal breaker now, not okay. You don't bring the money into it. That has nothing to do with this situation.

Katy Montgomery 8:25

Well, and I think what I keep wondering is if he says you can you can smoke as long as it's not in the house. I think that's a fair rule, right? Because no one wants to be around secondhand smoke. You don't want it in your carpet and in your fabrics. But I think it's interesting that he says you have to find the way to pay for it. She's not gamefully employed.

Justin Joseph 8:45

She is as his wrench.

unknown 8:48

Yeah.

Katy Montgomery 8:48

I mean, where I mean, I'm like, what is she gonna do? Like, is he is he telling her she needs to go get gamefully employed? She needs a side gig, she needs to pick up a few babysitting hours. I just I don't understand where he thinks this money's coming from. And then that changes the whole dynamic based on how they arrange their finances to begin with.

Justin Joseph 9:08

Yeah, she he's a giant asshole. Let me just say that. He really is a giant asshole. I think so. I mean, the issue with saying you can smoke outside, you're still not okay with it. I mean, having my mother smoked for many years and then she quit, and you could always tell when she was cheating because you could smell it, even no matter how well she how good hygiene she had, you can always smell it, and that's what his issue is. So, yeah, he needs to just confront it and say, I can't be with a smoker. That's really what he's saying. He he doesn't, it's a then it becomes an issue of how attracted he is to her. It's not just about the smoking. I think he's not attracted to her. I, if Josh took up smoking, I would lose all attraction to him.

Katy Montgomery 9:42

Uh see, I I really did not expect us to go to the space. I think that was, I think you jumped about 65 steps. I I really did not think that this was bigger and this is something about attraction. I think smoke, smoking is very, very um, it is something that is very um decide divisive. I have somebody that I'm coaching who we, you know, one of the things that we've been coaching on is how to establish boundaries about around the person she's with who smokes. And, you know, she understands that it is an addiction. She understands that it's complex and nuanced, but she said, I can no longer be around it, you know, for my health, for my, you know, ability to breathe clean air. And I think what you're right is like when we used to go out and everyone was smoking in college, you become immune to it. When you're in a clean space and someone comes in, even just one person that's smoking, it it's like it's exacerbated. You it's it smells, it's so intense.

Justin Joseph 10:44

Um like what about vaping? I mean, like that's the new thing. I was walking down the street the other day, and this this woman just leaned over and vaped, and I'm like, I mean, she just looked like a different person to me the

Attraction And Disgust As Deal Breakers

Justin Joseph 10:55

minute I saw her do that. And like she went from like normal to disgusting.

Katy Montgomery 10:58

Well, that's a judgment thing. I mean, I don't want to I'm probably gonna lose it. Well, I'm probably gonna lose half of our viewership, but I was raised in a generation where you didn't get lots of tats and you weren't, you didn't have sleeves and legs, and and it wasn't, and it was a class distinction. I mean, my mother talked so much smack about people with tattoos, but that's the southern, yeah. And I still will see somebody, and again, I catch myself, but I will see somebody very well spoken, very well educated, covered in tats, and it's it's a it it it's dissonance for me. It just doesn't make sense. I can't. Um, and so I think it can be hot too.

Justin Joseph 11:41

I mean, when I was younger, it could have been hot. I will say this. We were at dinner the other night. Well, we went to dinner probably a month ago, you know. We go to the same places all the time.

Speaker 11:48

Yeah.

Justin Joseph 11:49

And um, we had had cocktails, and we went to this bar or this restaurant, we sit at the bar, and the server was very attractive. He had some tattoos, but he was very attractive. And so we went back there last week, and he comes up and I see him from the back, and I'm like, oh, it's the attractive server. This is why we come here all the time, of course. And he turned around and he had a tire track tattoo across his face. No. And I was like, I just stared. I'm like, you ruined that face with that tattoo, but that's what he did.

Katy Montgomery 12:18

Yeah, but I think but I think these are kind of preconceived judgments. I think the thing about vaping and smoking, yesterday I was getting a pedicure, and in DC, pot is legal, and I'm always like, everybody, just do a gummy. Like, let's just do a gummy.

Justin Joseph 12:33

Oh, 100%.

Katy Montgomery 12:34

The smell of it makes me just nauseous. And so I'm sitting there trying to relax, I'm getting a pedicure, and all of a sudden they had both the back door and the front door open. And right where I get my um nails done, there are about 15 private DC high schools. And it was around three o'clock, and then all of a sudden it was pot central. I mean, I just think people were and I just looked at her and it was so overpowering. And she goes, Oh my gosh. And and the nails.

Justin Joseph 13:05

They're probably vaping it too, right? It's probably a vape.

Katy Montgomery 13:07

I mean, I don't know, but they she jumped up and she had to shut both of the doors. And so I living with that, I think that, you know, I could see, I don't understand, I don't think he's necessarily an asshole. I would be like, I don't want this in my house. Um, I don't want to be around that smell. I don't want to be associated with that smell. I don't want to do this. I could see how maybe he's not being a controlling dick. He's just like, it's the first thing that comes to him. It's like, I'm we're not paying for this. So I don't want to necessarily label him

Text Line Invite And Break

Katy Montgomery 13:38

an asshole.

Justin Joseph 13:38

Well, let's discuss it on the other side. We'll come back on the other side, talk about vices in the house, what they look like, how they make us feel. Of course, we always welcome your thoughts. Text us on our text line at 720-251-4450 or email us at wrongwayforwardpodcast at gmail.com. We'll talk about it on the other side. We'll be right back.

Katy Montgomery 13:55

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Justin Joseph 14:03

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Katy Montgomery 14:08

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Speaker 14:18

Now back to Wrong

Vices That Strain Relationships

Speaker 14:19

Way Forward. Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katy and Justin Podcast.

Justin Joseph 14:24

Hi, everybody. Welcome back to this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward. This week we are talking about a man who is upset at his wife. I think it's was it a just relatively short-term-ish relationship? They are married, but it wasn't.

Katy Montgomery 14:35

I mean, they've been married for 10 years, but she's only recently picked back up smoking over the last three months. That's the short duration.

Justin Joseph 14:42

And he doesn't want to pay for it. I think there's something much deeper. I think this goes beyond just his checkbook. I think he's having attraction issues and is questioning the relationship. Katy thinks I'm nuts. Shocking. And so then it's brought up in a conversation of things that come into the bedroom that um maybe start one way and kind of evolve. We've talked about tattoos and vaping and all of the other things.

Katy Montgomery 15:05

I mean, so I mean, Justin, what would be a vice that that would be a bone of contention between you and Josh? That if he were to pick it up besides smoking?

Justin Joseph 15:15

Besides smoking? Um, let me think about that. Um, I mean, obviously vaping, that kind of runs in the same thing. Uh you know, I would say lethargy. Lethargy, what's the word?

Katy Montgomery 15:28

If you're lethargic.

Justin Joseph 15:30

Yes, if you're if he was if he just sat around and ate ice cream and bonbons all day, that would be it. I mean, obviously, not obviously, but I'm the breadwinner in our family. We just we never have those kinds of conversations. He's he he does his thing, I do mine, we share income, all of that. But I've never once, and that's because also Josh, I've never once been like, gosh, you're overspending. But if he sat on the couch all day and never left the house and only the only money he spent was on ice cream, that would be a problem.

Katy Montgomery 15:55

Yeah, I think if, you know, I think if somebody had a porn addiction, um, I think if that would bother me. I mean, you know, and particularly spending money, which I think kind of leads into block C. If you're actually paying for something, like if you're just watching some free stuff here and there, or you're watching some Cinemax late at night, whatever. But if you're like spending dollars upon dollars on that, on porn addiction, that would bother me.

Justin Joseph 16:21

Yeah. Oh, a hundred percent. I think I think whether you were spending money on it or not. I mean, I think uh I don't know, uh, you know, I don't pretend to know what women do, but I think some women watch porn. I have I know a lot of men who watch porn, especially gay men. But you know, yeah, if it was if it was something that was happening a lot, and I don't know how you would know that, but I guess you would. I don't know.

Katy Montgomery 16:41

Yeah, I don't think another advice would be a sex addiction. Yeah, and I think you and I both enjoy a cocktail. I think what would bother me is at this age, if I had someone who frequently went out to a bar by himself.

Justin Joseph 16:56

Oh God, yeah. So non-negotiable.

Katy Montgomery 16:59

Yeah, like went to go, you know, went to a bar, went to a place. Like, okay, having like, you know, going and having lunch on a Saturday when you're by yourself or, you know, but somebody who just regularly frequents a bar by himself, that's a vice that would would start to bother me.

Justin Joseph 17:13

Yeah, and a bar that's known for those kinds of people going there, you know, where they're all the regulars, that that kind of bar, yeah, that would be a huge problem too.

Porn And Drinking Red Flags

Katy Montgomery 17:20

Yeah. So, but I think this is interesting. I think, you know, there's a lot of people who aren't talking openly about their finances. And you know, and it's interesting, my parents had two separate checking accounts. They never, ever, ever opened. Their whole life, the entire entire duration of their marriage. And my father, you know, unfortunately, teachers are very underpaid, made more than my mother. And so he paid for kind of big ticket items, but they had separate accounts.

Justin Joseph 17:48

In the end, to the end, till the end, till the end.

Katy Montgomery 17:51

And so, um, you know, so my dad paid for you know larger ticket items, but you know, he never saw what was coming in and out of a checkbook. He might see something new in the house and put it together. She never kind of, you know, monitored him. And the idea was is they kind of arranged who would cover what type of expenses.

Speaker 18:12

But it was meeting.

Katy Montgomery 18:13

Yes, and it's so funny. If I ever got married, it'd be like, of course we're gonna have separate accounts because how do we manage it? How do I know what you're doing, what I'm doing, and kind of trusting. But I think this is interesting, is I think a lot of people, and I think particularly now in America, we know this, people aren't talking with um their parents about this, they're not talking with their children about it, they're not talking with their spouses about it. And they say, I think, you know, in the Catholic Church, a lot of people have to do the mandatory course before you get married.

Speaker 18:42

Yeah.

Katy Montgomery 18:43

And I cannot remember, it's like kind of like pre-Cana or something. But they say, you know, one of the largest kind of issues in marriages and that can cause divorce is around finances. And so I think it goes back to they had some kind of agreement, but they never got into the hypotheticals. They never played the what if. They never played with, you know, how much, you know, lack of control or how much they trust each other in money. And I think that's part of the issue here is that we're just not, people are uncomfortable talking about money.

Justin Joseph 19:15

Yeah, I will say the the fact that we share everything, and even though I make a lot, I should, I mean, I make more money than Josh. Um, the other day I was telling him, I'm like, well, you should go for the supervisor position. And he's like, this is not who I am. I'm like, he's like, why would I want to do that? I'm like, for money. And he's like, it would be $1.50 more an hour. And I'm like, okay, got it.

Katy Montgomery 19:34

Yeah, $1.50 and after taxes, it would be like nothing.

Justin Joseph 19:38

Yeah. So anyway, my point is, but

Separate Accounts And Money Talk

Justin Joseph 19:40

because we share everything, I I never, I mean, I don't have to worry if I go out and buy nice things because I'm not feeling guilty. He can go out and buy something he just would never do. He doesn't do that. Like when we go on a trip.

Katy Montgomery 19:49

I would like to flash back to one of our previous episodes when Josh didn't buy the Kroger brand turkey and bought the boar's head turkey and you got really pissed.

Justin Joseph 19:59

Well, that was because that was like COVID when when we were, I was like, oh my God, I'm gonna be broke. And so, and he was out, you know. And I'm like, coupons, we still cog coupons. Do you cog coupons?

Katy Montgomery 20:10

Well, yes, and it was really funny because the other day um I was with my niece and my nephew, and we were going into CVS, and I'm like, and I always tell them, like, this is how much you have to spend. And then they immediately, as soon as I say a number, they start negotiating. I mean, it's crazy. And I said, Well, we're going into CVS, and I'm only gonna spend this, but I think I have a coupon. And my niece Betty said, What's a coupon? And I literally almost fell over. And I'm like, if my mother was alive, she would have gone apeshit crazy on you.

Justin Joseph 20:42

I love a coupon. I I mean when we're making nice dinner, I want to go out and buy, I want to go to the butcher and buy a nice piece of meat, but it otherwise I we use coupons all the time and I love it.

Katy Montgomery 20:50

Yes, why not? Well, with that being said, let's take a break.

Break Before The Next Topic

Katy Montgomery 20:54

And Justin, do you want to kind of tell our listeners about what we're gonna talk about in block C?

Justin Joseph 21:00

Yeah, I don't even know what this is, but we're gonna figure it out together. It's bimbofication. It was a word that was put into the stratosphere when Christy Gnome, who of course was our former Department of Homeland secretary, um, who hated drag queens, um, who the minute she left, her husband was uh spotted online on I don't know what site, basically dressing like an over-exaggerated woman, like um balloons inside a t-shirt, like to show breasts, etc. And the word that was used to describe it was bimbofication. So we're gonna talk about that on the other side and what the hell that is. We'll be right back. Thanks for streaming Wrong Way Forward, the weekly reminder that advice is usually free for a reason. We call out bad advice wherever it hides, boardrooms, break rooms, and even book clubs.

Katy Montgomery 21:47

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Fetish Spending And Bimbofication Explained

Katy Montgomery 22:11

And Justin, I've got my glasses back on, so no comments. Um, what we're talking about is Christy Nohm's husband. She was the former DHS secretary. It has just gone live that he spent um at least $25,000 via Cash App and Payout, PayPal, um spending money with um fetish models. And a lot of times they said while he was writing and he was messaging these women and praising their surgically enhanced bodies, he was wearing pink shorts and a flesh-colored top with balloons simulating breasts. And so they are calling this the bimbo fication of women, which is very interesting because you probably heard that there is something called the MAGA look. So if you look at all of the women in Trump's cabinet, they all have right where it's um, you know, heavy makeup, very long hair, um, enhanced lips, heavy, heavy blush. And so it's interesting that we're talking about bimbo vacation. And I think some people might even argue that the women, and they've shown these women kind of prior to kind of taking on these roles and being kind of part of the administration that they didn't necessarily look that way. Um and it's kind of a MAGA look.

Justin Joseph 23:33

So it's interesting because I don't even necessarily think it's just a MAGA look. I mean, uh you look at the Lauren Sanchez's, I don't think she's MAGA, but she may be. Um, this Kardashians, it's all it's just the I think it's any more that's that look when you have money and are, I don't know, gross.

Katy Montgomery 23:48

Yeah, I think the key word is gross because I don't think when I think of a woman with money, I do not think of exaggerated breasts. I don't think heavy, heavy makeup. I think someone looking very kind of more natural, more in proportion, more tasteful. That's what I think when I think the look of money.

Justin Joseph 24:08

I think this is maybe I mean running in that Hollywood circle of money or but I guess MAGA doesn't. I'm trying to figure out what the thread that runs through all of them are. And it's not MAGA, it's it's not money, obviously. It's age. I don't know.

Katy Montgomery 24:21

I don't know. But but what do you think about this bimbo fication? And do you think men can be bimbo?

Justin Joseph 24:27

I am I guess I'm not shocked because again it just never fails. The minute someone gets too on the gaze about something, it it bites them in the ass. And I can point to ten examples of where

The MAGA Look And Beauty Signals

Justin Joseph 24:40

someone who came for the gays, there was always something to behind it. And and they're saying there's no way she didn't know.

Katy Montgomery 24:47

Well, and it's probably subconscious, even, right? You know, it's like you're subconsciously aware of it, you're picking up it's not right in your face. He hasn't said, look, I'm a cross dresser and I'm, you know, spending money on a fetish. But she's probably subconsciously picking up these things and then projecting it through hatred of others.

Justin Joseph 25:07

Right. And now it makes sense why she was having the affair with Corey Lewandowski, which she's been having forever. And and remember, at her recent hearing, the husband was behind her, and everybody's like, How can the husband be on this shoulder and Corey Lewandowski on this shoulder? And the senators are asking her to her face, are you having an affair with this guy? And the husband's there, and we thought it was so crazy. Well, the only logical answer to that is because she knew he was a cross dresser and he knew she knew he knew, and he didn't care that she was doing him. So that makes all it makes all sense.

Katy Montgomery 25:36

Well, you know, it's so interesting because they're from South Dakota, and you visited me. I lived for a year in South Dakota when I clerked for a federal judge. And South Dakota is this really kind of weird place. It's amazing, the nicest people you'll ever meet, but it's conservative, yet it's got liberal pockets. And I've even read some headlines that are like, you know, all the people in South Dakota, like their neighbors and friends, feel bad for him and can't stand Christie. And so I think this is interesting. It's a very conservative state, you know, and where they're kind of taking sides.

Why The Bimbo Trope Repels Them

Katy Montgomery 26:10

So interesting.

Justin Joseph 26:11

Well, I asked Chat JBT, what is bimbofication? And it talked about often exaggerated, um, exaggerated looks, a transformational trope, highly focused on appearance, seen as carefree, flirtatious, attention seeking. Then I said, Well, what makes why are men attracted to it? And they said it's less about attractive and more about underlying psychological themes. Well, no shit there. And then it says humans are wired, and it says blah, blah, blah, exaggerated feminity signals sexuality. I don't know. I don't want to know. I don't want to know. I don't live in my bubble.

Katy Montgomery 26:43

To me, and again, I'm gonna, you know, pull the gender card, is that we don't call men bimbos. You know, we it's usually a term that's reserved for women. But when I think bimbo, I think stupid.

Justin Joseph 26:56

Yeah. And interesting.

Katy Montgomery 26:58

I just think what's interesting is I've just never had a desire to be friends with stupid people. I mean, even though we kind of came off dumb at the beginning of this podcast, I don't want to be friends with stupid people. I don't want to hang out with stupid people. I want to be around people that make me smarter and better. So I don't find the bimbo thing attractive at all.

Justin Joseph 27:18

Me either. Well, we will continue to live in our bimbo bubble. That's all for this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward. Let us know your thoughts on what bimbofication is. And if you have bimbos in your own life, our text line is 720-451-4450. And of course, you can always email us at wrongwayforwardpodcast at gmail.com.

Closing Thoughts And How To Reach Us

Justin Joseph 27:35

Katy, we'll see you next week. See you next week. All right, that's a wrap on this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward. Remember, the only thing worse than taking bad advice is giving it.

Katy Montgomery 27:45

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Justin Joseph 27:58

Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Raw Way Forward.