LOVE & GO: 12 Powerful Truths for a Blessed Life with Frank Kelly - Part 2

In part 2 of this conversation, Steve Harrison continues his discussion with CEO, former professional lacrosse player, and author Frank Kelly. Frank tackles questions that many Christians have wrestled with for years, including whether it's appropriate to pray to win in sports and how to balance working hard with surrendering your plans to God. He also shares what the Lord taught him through a major personal crisis and offers more practical wisdom from his book, Love & Go: 12 Powerful Truths for a Blessed Life. If you want to deepen your faith while pursuing the dreams God has placed on your heart, this episode is filled with biblical insight, practical encouragement, and hope.

About Frank Kelly: Frank Kelly is CEO of Kelly Benefits, a family-owned company with about 500 employees. A graduate of Cornell University and former professional lacrosse player, he has devoted his life to integrating faith, leadership, business, and service. Frank serves in leadership roles with numerous nonprofit organizations, including Fellowship of Christian Athletes. He is the author of Love & Go: 12 Powerful Truths for a Blessed Life, a practical and deeply personal guide to growing closer to God and living with purpose.

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hi everyone, Steve Harrison here, and welcome to this episode of Workship, Achieve Dreams God's Way. Today I'm going to let you hear some more from Frank Kelly, someone who's learned a lot about how to achieve God's way. You heard me interview him in the last episode, and this episode, I'm going to share with you the rest of that interview because it was chock full of helpful advice and heartfelt stories. Now, Frank, as you recall, is the CEO of Kelly Benefits. He's a graduate of Cornell University. He's been a scholarship athlete and even a professional lacrosse player. He serves on the boards of many nonprofit organizations. And his latest book is Love and Go: 12 Powerful Truths for a Blessed Life. It was my honor to consult with him as he was writing this wonderful book, and I highly recommend it. So let's dive back into the interview where I ask Frank a question. I've always wanted to ask someone who's a committed Christian and a serious athlete. You've been an athlete, you still, your kids, I mean, you're very involved with athletes in athletics. So you're and you've been a professional athlete. So here's the question: Should you pray to win?

SPEAKER_01 1:19

Well, um, as you know, Steve, it's uh a Saturday afternoon. Um, when I'm done this, I hop in my car in Baltimore and drive to Ithaca, New York, because our youngest of four is a senior lacrosse player for Cornell. They play Princeton tomorrow in the Ivy League Tournament Championship. Both of those teams will be in the NCA tournament. Last year, Cornell won the Division I national championship. Here's my perspective on that. God cares about us, God cares about the things we care about, God cares about little things, including how many hairs are on our head, which unfortunately for me is, I think, shrinking over time. I know it is. So if he cares about how many hairs are on our head, and he cares about the flowers of the field that are here today and gone tomorrow, and he cares about the birds of the air who don't even store in a barn, I think he cares about games. Now, does he care who wins? I don't know exactly how that works. I I do believe I have sensed God's intervention, in my opinion, in the outcome of certain games. Not every game, I don't know how it works because guess what? There's guys and gals on both sides praying. There's parents on both sides praying, but I do think God cares about the things we care about, including games. And I don't know exactly how how all that works. I do believe at times God intervenes in unique ways for unique reasons that we may not fully understand. Um, you know, I write um there's a chapter in there called The Power of Purpose. The power of purpose. And um, and you know, I believe God has three levels of purpose. You know, one's his ultimate purpose that only he understands. There's so much we don't understand. You know, why do bad things happen to good people in situations? And, you know, why does a team win or lose? You know, why did I lose a job? Why did I get sick? Why did my wife whatever? Um, and then there's God's universal purpose, um, which is I think what he wants for all of us, since we're all created in his image and he desires to have a love relationship with every one of us, but he gives us the opportunity to choose to receive him or not. You know, we can we can accept them, we can neglect them or we can reject them. A lot of us reject them. I neglected him or we can accept, but he wants us to come into that love relationship with him, right? Love the God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. Um, you know, and um, you know, and then go. He wants us to be a part of his plan to share his love and truth with others. And when we align ourselves with him and his plan for us, life can be really cool, not necessarily easy, but special. And then we each have a unique purpose, right? We have a unique purpose, and I quote Rick Warren in the book quite a bit, but he uses the the um the acronym Shape, S-H-A-P-E, you know, based on our spiritual gifts, based on our heart, based on our abilities, based on our personality, based on our experiences. We each have a unique role to play in God's purpose and plan in life, even as an athlete, you know, as a teammate. Like every high every college across team today has close to 50 players on it. Um, you know, 25 guys play, 25 guys don't, but they're one team. The guy, the third string goalie is very important because they're taking a zillion shots in practice. They may not play in the game, but they're very important. You know, I've had one son play at the University of North Carolina on a national championship team, started all four years, two-time All-American. I have one son play at North Carolina, good player, role player, played in most games, not as much as his dad thought he should play, right? And then I've had another son, my youngest, is in a situation at Cornell where he's been on the the other side of playing time. You know, he's been getting in here or there. Um, but it, you know, he got injured his sophomore year, a weird injury his junior year. Why, God? Why? You know, but ultimately we want to align ourselves, in my opinion, with his universal purpose to love and go and use our unique purpose to live out his calling in our life.

SPEAKER_00 5:12

Look at you, and you know, it's totally true. And look at you, you said this isn't an intellectual book. I just hit you with maybe one of the hardest theological questions. Seminary professors don't even get asked this. And and uh it's tremendous, tremendous. Um, you know, uh I I shared with you that here at Workship we're always talking about the tension between okay, it's gonna be, it's up to you, take more responsibility, try harder. Uh, but then there's the spiritual part, obviously. Let go and let God. These can be sometimes conflicting messages. There's a tension here. Um, the talk about that. Do you feel hey? Do you feel like there's a tension sometimes? Have you is that something you've experienced where, like, okay, I need to make this happen. I gotta do my part, I gotta step it up. Or oh, hold it, I need to surrender. You know, which is it? Which do I need to do?

SPEAKER_01 6:03

Uh well, I think um I've heard it said, you know, work like it's all up to you and pray like it's all up to God. So I do think there's that balance, but I'll think about something about our family business, which turns 50. At Kelly, we have a vision statement, mission statement, um, a cornerstone and pillars. Our cornerstone is actually love, right? Love God completely, others compassionate ourselves correctly. And then we have these four pillars. And the first pillar comes from Psalm 127.1. The Holy Spirit through David wrote this unless the Lord builds the house, they labor in vain who build it. Unless the Lord watches over the city, you stand guard in vain. So, in other words, it's unless the Lord's in it, you're you've got you're in trouble, buddy. You know, the next pillar is from Proverbs 3, 5. Trust the Lord with all your heart, lean not on your own understanding, in all your ways, acknowledge him, and he'll make your path straight. Trust in the Lord, lean not on your own understanding. That's hard. I'm one I like to figure it out. I'm a grinder, I'm you know, I'll look at every angle. So, you know, but trust in him, lean not on your own understanding, acknowledge him, and he'll make your path straight. You know, our next pillar is from Matthew 6, 33. Seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these other things will be added unto you. Like, wow, you know, so it's this tension of you know, grabbing it, letting it go. And then the fourth pillar for us comes from Colossians. It says, Whatever you do, whatever, whatever, whatever you do, work at it with all your heart as if for the Lord and not man. So we start with, unless the Lord builds the house, they labor in vain who bail it. And the last thing is, whatever you do, work at it with all your heart as if for the Lord. So I think it's a balance. I think there's a word I'm gonna impress you here, Steve, because I never went to seminary, I'm not a theologian, but this word's called an antinomy, I believe it's called. And it's something like it's like predestination versus free will. Does God predestine us to be saved or does he give us free will to choose? And there are theologians who think it's all up to us. God started it, now it's up to us. There's others who think we're so stupid, we're human, we don't get it, we're sinners, it's all up to God. I believe it's in the middle, okay? But we're not gonna know 100% for sure until we're on the other side. And I think, you know, that's the way it is with this. Like, is it all up to me? Is it all up to thee, you know? And I think it's in the middle. Like we have to come and use the gifts God's given us and work as hard as we can and then surrender it to him. The hard part is when we work as hard as we can and we still hold on like this, and then we're anxious and we think we're God, you know. And as you know, you have a business, like you work hard, but you have to leave the results up to the Lord. Even as an athlete, you play as hard as you can, and you have to leave the results to him. And because sometimes like officials make mistakes, you might get robbed in a game, you know, and that happens. Teams, but at the end of the day, I believe it's that balance God's sovereignty, our free will. Um, unless the Lord does it, you know, we labor in vain who do it. Whatever we do, we need to work with all our heart, as if for the Lord, not for me. And that that's important too. Like, who's our audience? You know, a lot of us are working for the coach, for the boss, for my parents, for my girlfriend, or you know, no, it's for that audience of one. I think when we can shift our mindset to know, I did the very best I could with the gifts God gave me, we can have peace.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

Yeah, and I think the other flip side, too, that isn't really talked about very much, um, is that you know, God loves us no matter what. God is so gracious. And, you know, there's um the agape love, the unconditional love of God. And some somebody, you know, so there's a phrase sometimes people talk about sloppy agape, meaning where it's like, well, God loves me. So it doesn't really matter, you know, if I mean sometimes people who are are Christians, they don't I I don't think they they focus enough on goals or focus enough on maybe, yeah, maybe, you know, maybe you should raise your goals, maybe you should be trying harder. Um, that's something you don't hear much in the church, typically, you know. Um, what's your thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_01 10:15

Yeah, I like to use this statement. Um Jesus said the thief has come to rob, kill, and destroy. I, Jesus, have come that you might have life and have it abundantly. Okay? The thief, the enemy, we have an enemy. That enemy wants to keep us from fulfilling our potential. This is interesting, too. The difference between the thief, the enemy, Satan, the third of the angels who fell demons, and Jesus Christ and his angels, the two-thirds. It's Christ will come in if we open the door. He stands at the door and knocks. If we open, invite him in, he'll come. The enemy will come in a backdoor, crack through a window. Like we can expose ourselves to the enemy unknowingly. And um, you know, but I what I like to use the word, you know, am I choosing God's best? He wants what's best for you, he wants what's best for me. And this is where we get into that free will thing again. I believe he gives us the ability, the will to choose. And some people call it sin, and the Bible calls it sin. And sin is uh, you know, disobeying obedience to God, it's what separates us from God. The scripture says all of us have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. And the wages or the result of our sin is death or spiritual separation from God. You know, but you know, I like to say, is this God's best? That's the question I think you should ask. When you're about to make the decision, is this God's best as I understand it right now? And sometimes, like, I don't know. You know, some decisions are gray, but there are some decisions we can make. And when we choose God's best, I believe his blessing comes. Um, and I just think it's a wise way to go, you know. And when we don't choose God's best, a lot of times we knowingly are are doing what we know is wrong. And sometimes we do that because we're human, and sometimes we just make mistakes. So that's the way I like to say, is that God's best for you? I don't know, you know.

SPEAKER_00 12:09

Love it. Love it. Okay, good. Um so in um we got about 19 minutes left here. So here's so I'm gonna um think about what you really kind of just, you know, what what I'd like a couple stories, maybe two. Um, but I'm gonna ask you, and you could weigh in on so just think about what you might want to share. Like, I'd love to hear a story of bit maybe. So here's three possibilities. Maybe we do all three or one or two, or maybe you have another idea that you feel like the Lord in the moment is guiding you to share. So I'd love to hear about like where did God show up for you at work? Um, something business-wise, where did God show up? I know you've got the story. I remember the thing I was saying to myself is I've definitely got to hear the story of you and Gail. There is a story I remember, I I think it was it was about infertility at the time.

SPEAKER_01 13:04

Yeah, I love that story.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

It's it's in the in the power of faith.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

I can share that story.

SPEAKER_00 13:09

Okay, so that one would be great. Okay. Also, leadership. You know, you've been a captain of a cross team, you're a CEO. Kind of what has God taught you about leadership that you didn't know 20, 30 years ago?

SPEAKER_01 13:22

Great.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

Great question. Let me start with um my wife. I love her. So let me prompt that a little bit and just go into it. So, you know, Frank, I remember uh when I was just thinking about this interview and thinking about your book and you know, reading the manuscript months ago. I go, Oh, I I hope he I want him to share that story about um uh he and his wife.

SPEAKER_01 13:47

I'd love to share the story. So it's um it's uh chapter five in the book. By the way, there's 12 chapters. The first chick six chapters come under the umbrella of love, and the last six chapters come under the umbrella of go. But love and go are integrated. And Steve, you helped me with this story. And you said, Frank, put me in the story, you know, put the reader in the story. Yeah, I'm like, I don't want to give all this detail. No, share that detail. They need to see and feel the story, okay? So this is a story, and and each chapter starts with a faith statement, a truth statement, a truth statement, then a scripture, and then uh stories. So let me tell you the truth statement for this chapter, the power of faith. Faith is a gift from God that can empower us to overcome worry and fear and enable us to be and do all that God created us to be and do. That's the truth statement, okay? And then there's a scripture that says, so then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. So faith comes from the truth, hearing the truth and applying the truth to your life. Okay. So here's the story that I opened this chapter with. After dating Gail for about three years, when it became clear that our relationship was getting serious, she told me there was an important issue she wanted to discuss. We decided to take a walk. At one point, she stopped, grabbed my hands, and her eyes teared up. She told me about a surgery she had during her senior year of high school that would likely limit her ability to get pregnant and have children. My heart pounded in my chest as I felt Gail's pain, and my mind raced with thoughts of a future without children. Courageously, she asked me to go with her to her doctor so I could fully understand all the issues and challenges we might face if we ever got married and wanted to have children together. I loved Gail, yet I knew I wanted to have children and a big family someday. I remember sharing the situation with my mom and dad. As usual, my mom gently shared perspective in grace, as my decision about possibly marrying Gail would also affect them as potential grandparents. Frankie, do you love Gail? My mom asked. Yes, mom, I do, I replied. Do you have faith and trust in God? She asked. Through tears, I said, Yes, mom. I think so. My mom, understanding that her oldest son might knowingly marry a woman with a high chance of not being able to get pregnant, brought wisdom, faith, and love to the conversation. I clearly remember the night I was driving to pick Gail up to take her to dinner and then ask her to marry me. I had her parents' blessing, but in the back of my mind, I still had some doubts. I had prayed long and hard about this decision and knew I needed to rely on what little faith I had to overcome my fears. After dinner at Sabatino's in Baltimore's Little Italy, on that cold, windy February night, we walked around the inner harbor and out onto a pier. There, I got down on one knee and asked Gail to marry me. Fortunately, she said yes. And any fear I had disappeared. Since that moment, I have never doubted my decision to marry Gail. I had to take that step of faith to receive God's blessing. When we got married, we had no idea if or how we would have children, but I had peace. God in his sovereignty chose to bless us with two natural-born sons with a little medical fertility assistance, as well as an adopted daughter and son. As of this writing, we also have two beautiful daughters-in-law and three grandsons. It's amazing what God can do with even a little faith.

SPEAKER_00 17:48

Amen. Wow, praise God. Just love that. Love that.

SPEAKER_01 17:58

I go on, um, Stephen, and you help me with that story, but to talk about mustard seed faith. Jesus said, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, move from here to there, and it'll move. Nothing will be impossible for you. Wow, what a bold statement, especially considering how small a mustard seed. It's only about two millimet one to two millimeters, less than, you know, whatever, one thirtieth of an inch. When I ask Gelder Mary out of little faith, I guess I'd call it mustard seed faith. I appreciate Rick Warren's reminder. What matters is not the size of your faith, but the size of the God you put it in. A little faith in a big God gets big results. And these words about faith attributed to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. resonate deeply. Take the first step in faith. You don't have to see the whole staircase to take the first step. Sometimes that first step, no matter how small, is the hardest. And then I go on and share a little more about faith and stories, and then each chapter ends these with a suggested prayer, like a simple little prayer. Like here's the prayer. Dear God, thank you for the gift of faith. It's a gift from God. Please help me to believe, receive, and trust in you and your word. Please help me to love and go in faith and not fear. I battle fear a lot. Please give me the faith and courage to share your love and truth in both word and deed. And then there's six questions at the end of each chapter, questions for reflection that you could do personally. Really good one-on-one, husband, wife, or small, any small group. So uh you just like four or five Division I lacrosse teams that have used this this year for uh some studies. So thank you for asking that, and thank you for helping me uh tell that story better than I did by myself.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

Oh, just so so great. And you know, you mentioned earlier that um the game of lacrosse became a god, small g. You know, there's there's there is a way when we talk about achieving things and having success. We all want to have have more success. You know, what and there are these issues of identity, you know. We I mean, you know, I know how I mean um well I have some inkling. I can't say I completely know, but but you you the Kelly family, very family oriented. I've been around you guys. I can I know you well enough to know how much kids are important to you. So in that story, to to be willing to sacrifice that. And you know, we feel good when we have certain things, you know, we feel better. I won the game, I'm a champion, I have more money, I have so this identity, and yet it's um so what have you learned about defining yourself? I mean, you know, we're we're um what's what would you say to people where you know when we do something well, we feel we do feel good, and and that's not wrong, and yet we have to be careful too, it seems, the with the identity. Where where can something become a god? Um, I don't know what what what does that resonate? How do you where do you connect on that?

SPEAKER_01 21:00

Right. I I think a lot of us can get caught up in it, and it's an ongoing battle for me too. Like I easily go right back into it. And look, it God's given us all gifts, he's given us that shape, right? Yeah, spiritual, hard, ability, personality, experience, and we bring that to the table. God's created us, like I have a fire in me, you know, and that's a gift from God. Like my greatest strength is my passion, my focus, my intensity. My greatest weakness is my passion, my focus, my intensity, you know. So, like, Frank, chill out. And but um, like I just think we just daily, and that's why we need to have like a daily quiet time with God, a daily time to just say, Lord, wow, I think I'm out of balance again. Can you take that? Lord, I'm I'm starting to hold on again too tight. But again, he wants us to work as hard as we can, he wants us to succeed. He tells stories like you know this the greatest storyteller of all time was Jesus. The parables are the most incredible stories. And the God, the Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, they can write like they're gifted storytellers, and they capture. These stories, but he tells a lot of stories about being fruitful. He, you know, he talks about, hey, I gave one guy five talents, one, two, and one, one, and the guy with one buried it. The guy with two doubled it, and the guy with five doubled it. I want you to be fruitful, you know. He wants us to work, he wants us to have success. Um, but the way we often define success and the way the world defines it is different. You know, God, I think, defines our success based on our attitude and our effort, you know. And is it about me or is it about thee, him, you know? And um, you know, like even financial success in business, you know, I love my chapter on giving, maybe my favorite, the power of giving. If I read, I really wanted to do each chapter as 12 little books in one case, didn't have the resource for it. And but it's called the power of giving. But if I do pull it out and do a little book, I think it's going to be the power of generosity and the six T's of giving. So, one of the ways we can keep ourselves right with God is by giving, okay? And there's I call it the six T's, our treasure. I believe really strongly you to give at least the first 10% of what God gives to you. It's called tithing. Um, and we could have this theological discussion, but you cannot outgive God, trust me. Tithe your treasure, then your time. You know, we all have opportunities to invest our time. Time's harder to give than treasure, then our talent. Like you have talent, you've given your talent to me. I share my talent. Um, then our testimony. Even today, I'm getting to share some of what God's done in my life. And when we give away our story, our testimony, I think God expands our testimony. And then the sixth T is or fifty is truth. And I love to give away truth. I give away a lot of books, so I don't have any problem giving away my book because it's full of truth. Not my truth, truth God's given me, but it's eternal truth. And other resources. I love to give away truth. It might be giving a podcast. Like someone might say, Hey, I'm gonna give truth away. I'm gonna say, Hey, listen to Steve Harrison interview this guy, Frank Kelly. There's full of truth, right? We can give truth away. One of my favorite stories, you know, is Peter and Andrew are brothers, they're fishermen, they're in a family business with their dad. And Andrew meets Jesus and he comes to his brother. He can't explain it, but he said, Dude, you gotta come and see. Come and meet this guy, you're not gonna believe it. So, Andrew, God used Andrew to share truth with his brother, Peter, who became the rock of, you know, what his statements in truth became the rock, rock of the church. So um, you know, I just think, and then the last T is thanks. You know, when we when we thank him, he gives us more to be thankful for. There's a scripture in Luke, Jesus said, give and it'll be given to you. Good measure, press down, shake it together, it'll come pouring into your lap. For by the standard of measure that you give, it'll be measured to you in return. You know, there's four kinds of givers. There's non-givers, there's reluctant givers, and then um there's dutiful givers, and there's joyful givers. Okay. Gail and I would say we started out probably as reluctant givers. Now we're joyful givers. Because when you give, you cannot outgive God. Whatever you give. Look, if you give away your money, lots of times you get more back. Not always. It comes back in different ways. But one of the ways we can align ourselves and make sure we're right with God is what are we doing with our giving? Are we giving our time, our talent, our treasure, our testimony? Are we giving away truth? Are we giving thanks? When we do those six things, we're usually in alignment with what the Lord wants to do in our lives.

SPEAKER_00 25:27

Yeah, I love that. And you know, it gets back to that whole what what's God's best in this moment? So when you He grants you success, right, then well, what's the God's best to use this? You know, I remember um saying to you, we were having some back and forth and and doing the book, and um you said, Well, I'm not saying, I'm not gonna say if you do this, you'll be successful. Um, you know, and and I which I really appreciate it, you know, but but I want you to talk about why you said that, because the title you came up with, I'll let you the subtitle you came up with, um, you know, in this process, uh, as we work together, is 12 powerful truths for a blessed life. So you're not saying we're not saying you're gonna do do this and you'll be successful, but you'll be blessed. Yeah, talk about that.

SPEAKER_01 26:22

Well, I think the word blessed means being successful in the eyes of God. And when we align ourselves with his will, a lot of us were like, hey, this I God, I want to do this for you. Please bless what I want to do for you. And I think what the Lord wants is for us to come and say, Lord, here's my life. I give it to you. So one of the chapters, another really significant one for me is chapter four, the power of the Holy Spirit. So I'll grow up in a faith tradition and I still attend a great Catholic Church, but Father, Son, Holy Spirit. I believed in God the Father, I believed in Christmas and Easter. I just didn't know who the Holy Spirit is, what the Holy Spirit did. I missed it. I even went to Catholic school, not their fault, maybe my fault, but whatever. I didn't. But when I learned about who the Holy Spirit is and what the Holy Spirit does, that's the third person of the Trinity. It's amazing. And that chapter, I mean, just even read that chapter, it's life-changing for me when I learned who he is and what he was. But to be filled, and the scripture says for me, it convicted me. Uh, you know, I shared some of my story early in Ephesians, ironically, the first uh uh Bible study they said go there. I couldn't find it, but it's it says Paul wrote, Do not get drunk with wine. It leads to being out of control, disposition, instead be filled with the Holy Spirit. So we're actually commanded, be filled with the Holy Spirit. What does that mean? See, we can't be filled with our flesh and filled with the spirit. So we get a daily choice on that. Now the spirit, when we commit our life to Christ, comes. But we get to choose whether we want to be filled with the Holy Spirit or we're gonna do it our way. You know, I think Carrie Underwood writes, Jesus, take the wheel. We always want to take the wheel back, right? You know, we're in the front seat or back seat. Gate, I want to take the wheel. You know, Jesus take the wheel, surrender, and then literally personally say, Holy Spirit, fill me. I learned you can pray to God the Father, you can pray to Jesus the Son, and you can pray to the Holy Spirit. I know before I prayed, I said, Lord, please put to death my flesh, my sinful nature. Forgive me of my sin. Unconfessed sin is like a wet blanket on the flame or power of the spirit. Forgive me of my sin, whatever came to heart, Lord. Forgive me. Thank you for forgiving me. I'm forgiven. I don't have to beat myself up. And then, Holy Spirit, fill me. I know you're with me. You promise never to leave me, but fill me. I don't want you to be quenched. Fill me. Thank you for filling me. And when you surrender your life and say, Lord, I'll do whatever you want. I want to do it your way, not my way. Holy Spirit, fill me. You'll begin to see incredible things happen around you, man. You'll be shaking your head. Because the scriptures, Jesus or the apostle Paul wrote through Jesus said and through the and the Apostle Paul recorded, I think it was in Ephesians 2, God will do immeasurably more than you can even ask or imagine. Like you ain't seen nothing until you surrender your life. Like we think we have to do it all. Well, we do got to do our part, but when we ask the Holy Spirit to fill us and say, We're all, I'm all in, Lord. I want to do whatever you want me to do. I'll go where you want me to go, I'll do what you want me to do, I'll give what you want me to give. Man, it's incredible what he does because the Holy Spirit is so all-powerful. It's it's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

Amen. Amen. Love and go. 12 powerful truths for a blessed life. It's on Amazon.com. Get it now. We've just scratched the surface of all that's in this book. This is decades of learning and distillation and hearing things from people and curating the very, very best for you to become the person that God wants you to be to run the race that God has marked out for you. Frank Kelly, thanks so much for joining me, my friend.

SPEAKER_01 29:47

And thank you, Steve. And thank you for using your unique shape to bless many people like me to better tell their story. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 29:54

All right. Praise God. Wonderful job. Well, I hope you enjoyed the rest of that interview with Frank Kelly. His book is Love and Go, 12 Powerful Truths for a Blessed Life, and you will love it. It's full of heart, scripture, practical truth that you can apply to your life. It's the kind of book where you can find something useful on every page. So if you want to walk more closely with God, experience his power and have him use you to achieve more for his kingdom and his glory in your day-to-day life, don't delay. Go right now to Amazon, get your copy of Love and Go by Frank Kelly. You know, he's been journaling and taking notes at all kinds of retreats and sermons and everything for 40 years. And in this book, you get the best of the best of the best, the most helpful insights, scripture verses, teachings, things that have really helped him in uh in life and in his walk with the Lord. So get your copy now. Just one chapter, uh, one page could be a real blessing for you and the people you care about. Love and Go by Frank Kelly. Enjoy.