Forgiving While Keeping Your Peace | Season 4 Episode 1 with Shayna Harris

Forgiving While Keeping Your Peace | Season 4 Episode 1 with Shayna Harris

Forgiveness sounds good in theory… but what happens when protecting your peace matters just as much?

In Season 4 Episode 1 of the Forgivve Podcast, we sit down with Shayna Harris for a real, unfiltered conversation about what it truly means to forgive without losing yourself in the process. This episode dives deep into the balance between letting go and setting boundaries—because forgiveness doesn’t mean access, and healing doesn’t require self-sacrifice.

We talk about:

What forgiveness really looks like in real life (not just quotes and captions)
How to release resentment without reopening old wounds
The importance of boundaries while healing
Protecting your energy, your growth, and your peace
Letting go without feeling guilty

If you’ve ever struggled with forgiving someone while still needing space, this episode is for you.

🎧 Tune in, reflect, and take what you need for your own healing journey.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:04

Happy Forgiveness Friday. We are back, Jack. We got another great one, another exciting guest today. I'm so excited. This is my girl, my sister. Let me get comfortable, y'all. This is Miss Shana Harris, y'all. We got her in the house. But before I get to her, let me just remind you guys where you're at, why you're here. Welcome to the Forgive Podcast. We are just here with real stories, real testimonies, and real people. We know that everybody somewhere needs help with forgiveness, right? We don't need to be angry. We don't need to be upset. We got too much to do, you guys. So I am just excited today. We have Miss Shayna Harris on today, and we are going to be talking, y'all, about betrayal, boundaries, and becoming whole. Yeah. Shayna, just say hello to the people real quick before I introduce you and give them your bio.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

Come on here. Hi, world. How are you? I'm feeling great. I am so honored to be on this platform. Um, you are amazing, and I just appreciate you. So let's do it.

SPEAKER_00 1:12

Hey, hey, well, let me tell you a little bit about Miss Shayna. Uh, we also have her worship song, you guys. You know, before we used to play the whole song and worship all the way through the podcast, but we've shortened it just a little bit. But as I read her bio, we're gonna play a little bit so we can get ready, usher in the Holy Spirit. Yes, God, and we're about to have a good time, amen. So her favorite song that she gets uh that just gets her going. Why don't you tell them why it's your favorite song and what it is?

SPEAKER_01 1:46

I have a bunch of favorite worship songs. Um, I love praise and worship, it's it's a lifestyle everything to me. And so this is um Great Jehovah by JJ Harrison. First of all, this has been in my spirit for a few weeks, and I just couldn't shake this song. So this is currently my favorite one right here. Right now, yes, it helps me get amped up. Great Jehovah, because he's Jehovah Jira. Yeah, and if you just invite him in, come on, and you call his name. See, there's no other name about his name, right? So that just like really like amps me up, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:29

So at any given time, I press play. Come on, let's get to it.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

Come on here. Let me tell you, so you see a little bit about who she is, but let me really tell you Shana Harris is an Illinois native who turned Mr. Congratulations. She is ordained, honey, certified life coach, a serial entrepreneur, a writer, a visionary leader, y'all. This girl, listen, this has just been a little bit about it, a little bit about it now. She she honored me by just giving me three to five sentences, y'all. But she got pages, okay? She got pages. You know, at the end, she's gonna tell you a little bit about what she's doing, what she got going on. You guys want to look her up.

SPEAKER_01 3:21

My god.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

If you got a party, if you got an event, if you got a dream, let me tell you something. She manages, she has uh uh an event company, she's got it all, but y'all wanna check her out. So she is CEO of Goshe Events and Design. So impressed, custom creations, y'all. Bad to the bone. And Nest Point Consulting, come on, serial entrepreneur. Yeah, Shaina brings strategy, creativity, and execution together to help individuals and organizations bring their vision to life, y'all. I was just telling her this morning that she is a midwife. My God. She really helps people, visionaries, birth vision, get it from A to Z. So y'all want to check her out. Beyond her professional roles, Shayna is a devoted wife. Mother, daughter, sister, and friend who believes forgiveness is not about forgetting, it's about choosing freedom. Amen. Amen. Well, welcome, welcome, welcome, Miss Shayna Harris. Girl, we are so excited to have you. Welcome. Well, tell people something that they don't know about you.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

I don't like a lot of noise. That's my new thing. I don't like a lot of noise. Before that, I don't think a lot of people knew that. I love to craft.

SPEAKER_00 4:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:52

Like I love to craft. Like it gives me a calmness.

SPEAKER_00 4:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:57

And so that's my thing to do.

SPEAKER_00 4:59

Yeah, but look, she's lying. We knew. Look, we knew. I don't even know why she's starting off like this now. Listen, all of us that know her know she craft. Okay. Hence uh uh uh slow impressed custom creations, yeah. But okay, I'm gonna give you that one.

SPEAKER_01 5:18

I like to be behind the scenes, but you know, I'm here now.

SPEAKER_00 5:23

Okay, girl. Oh my gosh. No, but you are amazing. I'm so glad to have you, girl. We are going to get right into this because the people came here to really get some help. Here's the thing we all need help forgiving. You know, we talked about it before. Not everybody knows scripture, not everybody's in the Bible. We want them to because the word works. Yes, you know, but the reality is not everybody does, but they can understand your story. Yeah, they can understand your experience. Yes. And so that's really what this podcast is about, you know, especially uh this episode on betrayal boundaries and becoming whole is a lot of times women carry a quiet pain, right? In marriages, family, close relationships, you know, or we'll shrink, you know, in the professional workplace or in ministry or anywhere where we could be leaders, you know what I mean? We don't always, always um share what may be hurting us. Yeah, right. And so I'm so excited to have you, you know, to tell us about your life. You've gone through so much in your life on this journey of forgiveness and life experiences. So if you can share with us a brief version of your story, who you are, the kind of relationships where forgiveness has been hardest for you, and where you are now on that journey.

SPEAKER_01 6:49

Um thanks for having me again. Um, my journey through forgiveness. Um, I'm still going through my healing process. Amen. To be honest. Um I help um and encourage so many people to go down their path.

SPEAKER_00 7:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:07

Um, but I realize that I have some residue. Come on. Or some unforgiveness that I was recently able to release.

SPEAKER_00 7:15

Amen.

SPEAKER_01 7:16

Um, and so I'm excited for for that. I'm I'm excited for myself because it's to be very humbling, yeah, you know, to not crash out.

SPEAKER_00 7:28

Yeah. You know, when you want to, or even when you're justified, right? Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 7:34

So I experienced some um um an individual that was trying to destroy my character. Um, and at times I would just sit back and think, like, are you doing this on purpose? Right. Like I really was thinking that people will wake up and that's their purpose. Right, right. Was this the well, you know what? Still, kill and destroy. Yeah, come on. Yeah, let's let's make sure that I tear her down today type of thing. Right. Um, and so my um struggle, if you will, and um with unforgiveness is it wasn't in my marriage, right? It wasn't with friendships, right? Sally, it was inside of the church. Yeah, but I don't want anyone to think that church is not the temple, not is not the place to be. I love church. Yes, but I had to realize it's the spirit behind the person. You listen, you're preaching, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's behind the person, yeah, yeah. And so my struggle is started with there, and um, it wounded me.

SPEAKER_00 8:38

Yeah, yeah. Well, it it it's and sorry to cut you off, but it wounds us, I think, even more so in church. Yes, because we just don't expect that in church. That's right. We expect it in the world, in the world, but in the world. You know, but in here where we know we're all hurting, we're all broken. This is why we come to the hospital. Come to the hospital. You know, church is a hospital, right? For the healer. Yes. Okay, and I think a lot of times people don't realize that, like you said, it's we are the church. Yes. And and the church is people. And people can hurt people if they're still hurting people. Yes, right? Yes. And so it takes us longer, I think, sometimes to get past that type of hurt just because it's unexpected.

SPEAKER_01 9:30

Yeah, and not only that, I think that if a stranger, right, right, can can do something, it's not gonna have that much effect on you.

SPEAKER_00 9:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

But it's the people that you love, that you serve with, that you have a built a relationship with, and it's the portrayal piece that tags with that.

SPEAKER_00 9:53

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 9:54

Right. And so doing my journey, I have forgave. And then I unforgave. Right, right. Right.

unknown 10:05

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

Because you hurt me, right, right, to be honest. Um, try to assassinate my character and get other people to do it with you.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

Right.

SPEAKER_01 10:17

Right, right. And I was aware.

SPEAKER_00 10:19

Right.

SPEAKER_01 10:19

But I could have approached, but I did not. Right. Because the Lord told me not to. Right. Come on. Come on. And then I cried. Right. Because, Lord, why not? Why do they get to you know, same thing?

SPEAKER_00 10:34

They get to get away with it, but I gotta be the good girl. Well, same thing. I used to ask the same question. I said, Lord, I don't bother nobody. Yeah, I don't hurt nobody, I don't intentionally misalign nobody's name, I keep their name out of my mouth. Yes, but why is my name always being talked about, attacked, assassinated?

SPEAKER_01 10:53

Man. And I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah. Because a part of my journey that was happening to me.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

Right.

SPEAKER_01 10:59

I felt like every other month it was, oh, I'm sorry, daughter. Right. And then okay, right. Then I forgave. And then the next month after that, you do something else.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

And then, okay, I forgive. But then I thought I forgave because now you're doing it this time, this now it's a record. It's a pattern. Yes. So now you're repetitive, right? You're a repeat offender. Or you're a repeat offender. Yeah, and so I can't get with that. And so now it's intentional. It's intentional. Yeah. And so it's like you want to portray as if you're sorry, but you're not sorry if you keep doing it. Right. Over and over and over again to it went to even it was affecting my child.

SPEAKER_00 11:47

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 11:48

And that's not okay.

SPEAKER_00 11:49

No, come on. Look, that's all gloves off when it starts affecting the children. Don't play with my children. But and here's the thing is people gotta want to get healthy. I say this all the time. Especially, especially. It should be anybody, but especially if we have a title in the church. Yes. You have a greater responsibility. Yes. We are not saying you are Jesus. We are not saying you are perfect. We don't expect anybody to be perfect. But what we do expect is a greater accountability. Thank you. Right? Especially for what you're preaching. Yes. Especially for what you're teaching, right? In the body of Christ, we're expecting you to walk that out. Yes. To walk that out. And here's the thing if if there was an offense, if there was an offense that I don't know about, tell me. Tell me. Let's talk about. Don't the Bible say that?

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Yes. That if you have an offense to go to your brother.

SPEAKER_00 13:01

All the above. And so for me, you know, and I say this is I'm tired of us as believers playing church. Thank you. Or look let me say, let me back up. Us as Christians playing church because Christians are just followers of Christ. A whole bunch of people followed him 2,000 and something years ago and they turned around when he finished speaking. Come on. And went back to their same life. Come on. Right? So either you a believer, you believe all the word, or you're an unbeliever. Yeah. You've got to decide. But what we have to stop doing is hurting the people in the body of Christ intentionally. Yes. And then leave them there. Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 13:43

I was left there. Yes, girl, I know. Right. Yeah. So it was so many incidents from the same person. Right. Like, even when um, well, of course, you mentioned, like, I'm from Illinois. And so when I um we were we had a chance to worship at the same place.

SPEAKER_00 14:02

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 14:03

And so um during my time there, it was great. I was when I first started, I was fired up. Right, right. I'm talking about I was I'm going after the one, the two, the three. I'm pulling all in. Come on, I love Jesus church. I love the pastor, it's amazing. Oh my gosh, and then the co-pastor. And like it was that for me.

SPEAKER_00 14:20

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 14:21

Until I was minding my own business. Right. And then um, this particular lady, and she is a pastor. Yeah. Um, right, um, it was a group of women who sat around around a round table. Come on. And they said that my daughter was gonna get pregnant at 13. And I had to go see these people at church. And I was a babe in Christ. So I'm thinking like, oh, I'm doing good, like, I am um spreading the gospel, I'm doing all these things in the community, partnering. Right. And then I get wind of that, and I had some really um dope friends that um knew about it, and then they checked it. Right, right, and they asked me, please don't say none. Because I'll anything goes when you're talking about my kid, right? What's up? Like, what you talking about? Listen, you know, so I'll lay hands on you so that you can recover. And I think that was so unnecessary, but why? But if did you see something going on with my kid? Right, the talk to me. Yeah, as adults, we're talking about it at a table. Wow. A table of women.

unknown 15:38

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 15:39

And then you see me in church, and hey boo, hey daughter, hey girl, you wanna come over? No, I don't.

unknown 15:48

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 15:49

No, I don't.

unknown 15:50

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

You know? And so okay, my friend told me I I took care of it, I went to the head, don't say nothing. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 15:59

Right.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

So I did that out of respect for her because I know when she says she got it, she legit has it. Right, right. Another incident. Um this lady, even her daughter, right, made up this story about my daughter and um her now her man, that they so awesome in ministry, and they danced, it's just anointed, they are just a joy to watch.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 16:27

And the daughter had said that he like tried to sexually assault her, like ripped up her shirt and all these things while they were rehearsing, and then so I'm about to blow up like to the capacity to because I protect my daughter. Right, right. Right? And so, like, and mind you, the son, like me and her, the the parents, we're friends. Right. I was fun to follow with everybody, right? She said over mine, yeah. Okay, and then my daughter was like, I hate adults, like that did not happen.

unknown 16:59

I'm like, what? Wow.

SPEAKER_01 17:03

And you know, and that's uh her and him, they became best friends, they trauma bonded and all these things because they trusted this lady. Wow. But see, she didn't clear it up, didn't even apologize for it. And then it went from you and your daughter saying this, then it went to telling other people, and it went through one ear and passing on to the other ear. And I'm like, wait a minute. So now you're attacking me, or now it's going down to my kid, and that is a problem. Right. But I still have to serve. Right. But her husband cleaned it up. Right. I mean, her husband had a real father-daughter relationship, right? And he cleaned it up. Right. She was never in the in the area, so we can get cleaned up, but he cleaned up. Okay, all right, I'll forgive. Right. Right? I'm still serving, I'm still doing all these things. But I think that because it was more. It is so many, it's so much more. Even in the dance ministry, and it was other young, the youth and young ladies will overhear her say these negative things um in front of other people and leaders about my daughter. And the children will go back in the bathroom crying and tell my daughter so bad that she like broke down in the bathroom, and one of my sisters in Christ uh called me as she was pulling up and had to lift my daughter up the floor because of the hurt and pain that this lady has caused her. And now you got these grown ladies looking at her in a certain way, and that wasn't right. Wow. That wasn't right, no, but I gotta still serve with you. Right. I gotta now gotta pretend. I'm not a great pretender because this person be telling us at all. I'm not a great pretender, and I shouldn't have to.

SPEAKER_00 18:50

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 18:51

But why are we doing that in the church? Right, and to our kids, and to our kids. Like, what is the problem? What is the problem? Wow. And so we had me and her wind up having a conversation years later. And I wish that we would have had one sooner, but again, our husband used to clean up a lot of things, right? And so um my daughter just couldn't take it no more, so I told her to speak your truth in here.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

Right.

SPEAKER_01 19:19

Don't worry about if mommy is here, right? Speak your truth, right? And she did. Um, but the lady was crying, the pastor was crying, and um, but then I had my turn. My daughter, gone and have your way because and respectfully, this will never happen again. Right. You do not have the right to treat my daughter like this because whatever your underlying beef with me is, there it is. You have underlying beef with me. Just say what it is. Right. If I offended you, say that. Right. But I sat and thought about it. I ain't did nothing but help you. Right. Help you with anything that you wanted. Come on. That you needed personally, right, in ministry, right? Whatever the cost was. That's right. Because that's who I am. Right. Right? Come on. But then you go around and and just get all these different people. You know, when you walk in the room and you can tell when somebody's been doing a little chatting, come on, they posture differently.

SPEAKER_00 20:25

Everybody didn't speak one day, one day they don't. Listen, listen, you already know. You already know. We already know. Yeah, and experience. I just didn't understand these things. Because you can't understand nonsense.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

Yes, and I'm like, why?

SPEAKER_00 20:40

But you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 20:42

But I still had love for her.

SPEAKER_00 20:43

Yeah, yeah. Which is crazy to me. Because you have the father's heart. Here's the thing. Here's the thing, and and this is why it's not crazy.

unknown 20:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:51

And the Lord had to help me with this years ago because I say, Lord, I don't do nothing to nobody. Yeah. Why do you have me here? Why am I here? Why did you bring me here when it's obvious? Yes. I'm not wanted here, I'm talked about, I'm crucified, I don't even talk to these people like this. You understand? I'm not even around. And this is what the Lord He always brings me back. He said, they talk about you, they lie on you, they humiliate you, they spit on you. He said they did it to me too.

SPEAKER_01 21:25

Man.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

He said, I never did a thing to them. That's crazy. So they do these things to us. It's not that we did something and we're trying to figure it out. Like, you know, if I offended you, if I did something, let me make that better. You know, I apologize. That's my heart. My heart is to love, to help, to serve. That's why you keep doing it even when the offense comes. And here's the other reason the Lord had to show me, He said, You made a decision a long time ago to love God more than your feelings. Your feelings will have you wap mollywapping somebody. You understand in a minute. I told you I lay hands so you'll recover. My God. Okay. I got the five-fold ministry sometimes here. Come on. I'm showing my fist for y'all that's on air on the radio. Okay. But it's disheartening. It's disheartening. It's disheartening. Yeah. And you have the father's heart. That's why you continue to love. We can't even help it. My gosh. We can't even help it.

SPEAKER_02 22:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:27

You know, we he he allowed you to go through a lot of this, Shana. Is because a lot of people can talk about forgiveness. Yes. They can preach it. Yeah. They can quote every scripture. Come on. They can give you every practical tool that's out there, you understand? But they don't live it.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 22:47

And so he had to take you through some of the most hurtful things, right? Because what he told me, he reminded me, he said, Keisha, people know what they do to you. They do. They know what they've said about you. They know how they've lied on you. They know how they've attacked you. And see, what they're expecting, Shana, is for you to act like them. Oh my God. You understand? But when you show up like him. Come on here. Okay. Oh, Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

Ooh, I just got chills. I give glory to God. All the glory because thank you, Jesus. And it's just, it just amazes me that people have that type of heart and spirit.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

Right? That you try to tear down. Um and so much so, like, um you're sorry. Then you're sorry.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

How many times are you gonna be sorry for the same offense? Because you're not. Here's the thing how many times are you gonna lie to yourself? Because what you're doing is this, and people gotta be careful because back in the day, people drop dead for lying to the Holy Ghost. My gosh.

unknown 23:51

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

God gives us grace and mercy, and people do things acting like he don't see it, he don't hear it, and he don't know about it. Here's the thing, you reap what you sow. You gonna reap what you sow. Good or what you're doing. You understand? That's good or bad. You're gonna reap. So my thing is this if you claim him. Come on. Now, if you claim him, if you don't claim him, then cool. I expect you to act how you act. But if you're claiming him, the God of the universe, yeah, the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, who we call Christ, who we call Abba, our daddy God. See, because we got relationship with him. If you're claiming him, then reflect him. That's all I'm asking. Listen. Just reflect him.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 24:38

So that you don't hurt his people.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

Yes. Because so many people, um, but that's their story to tell.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

Wounded soldiers.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

Man, I was just thinking about that.

SPEAKER_01 24:49

Wounded uh soldiers.

SPEAKER_00 24:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

And um the last straw for me.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

Um I was already head up to hill with about my daughter, but in the ministry, um, I was over the music ministry. Um, and then years later, um, I had to partner with another minister. Um, so we were doing ministry together. Um, and it was an incident where one of our musicians was leaving.

SPEAKER_00 25:20

Right.

SPEAKER_01 25:21

And so we had to replace the musician.

SPEAKER_00 25:23

Right.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

Right. So the thing about it is I had so many texts and phone calls that day. A lot of them I missed because I work in accounting, so I was like busy and focused and all these things. Right. And so I was picking up the phone, you know, after work, and it's like, oh, sis, um, minister, I use all my resources. I'm trying to find a replacement. I'm doing all these things. And I'm looking at the phone like, what are you talking about? Hey, what's happening? What I missed. What are you talking about? And further um through the day, I came to realize that this pastor had told everybody inside of the ministry that I was over, except for me. Except for the one who's over the department. So I said, Lord, what is this? Even the other minister was calling as if I knew, and I said, What you talking about? She said, What you say, but what are you talking about? And so it's the underlying This is ministry, right? This is ministry, right? So I call that husband. Right. She said, I called that husband. I didn't because if your wife is over it, it's one thing. Right. But let me so we need a replacement? Here's going on. Right. It was clueless that I was unaware. And the crazy part is that like weeks later, he apologized to me. And said, Daughter, listen, for the last couple months, you've been catching hell. Yeah. And I said, What you mean? Right? Because sometimes, like you, you know, you see the attacks, right? They come in, pow, pow, they there. Come on. But you don't want to say nothing because you always, the people always watching. Right, right. And I always try to be the example. But if they watching, right? I don't want to say the wrong thing, display the wrong thing, you know, assassinate my own character because we can do that to ourselves. That's right. But but if I'm doing everything of God, that ain't want that to come out because whatever you're feeling, it's gonna come out. Whatever's in here. It's gonna come out your mouth. That's right. So he apologized to me, and I was grateful for that. Yeah. Even though he wasn't the one doing it. Right, right. You know, but I was just thinking, this lady don't love me. You, you, you know, and and so it's like all these things, all of these things. It's every other money something. Yeah, yeah. It's hard for me at that time to forgive a person that I'm on the agenda. Right. Right. You know what I'm saying? And the crazy part about the whole thing, I would never tell, and nobody knew how I was feeling. Right, right. But I never told nobody, don't you talk to her, don't you love her, don't be around her. Like, hey, she's great. Right. She would tear down heaven with the press. Right. Like, you know what I'm saying? That spirit man of hers. Right. When the whole spirit came in. Give me that one.

SPEAKER_00 28:44

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:45

I was attracted to that Holy Spirit one of her.

SPEAKER_00 28:47

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

That whatever else behind that, I don't want that. Right, come on. Because it damaged me.

SPEAKER_00 28:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

So much so that I honestly became um spiritually dead. I experienced that.

SPEAKER_02 29:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

I watched it. Just walking past, and I'm just felt like I was buried underneath the surface with my hand up, like, come save me.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

Yeah. You know? Yeah. I felt like even though I didn't have the greatest relationship with the other minister that I was partnering with, but I liked her. Like we liked. Right. Right. You know, but I still think there was other people trying to get us to not have that. Yeah. You know, but they she never done anything to me for me to not like her. But as in ministry, I was expecting a lot of folks to pull me out of the pit that I was in. Right. But it didn't happen.

SPEAKER_00 29:37

No.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

No. So I had to, I was in a dark space. I was lashing out. Like, you know what I'm saying? I ain't want to hear nothing. I'm on watch. Line them up.

SPEAKER_00 29:47

Right.

SPEAKER_01 29:47

I mean, one time I got so mad. Like, and then she wound up being sick, didn't come. And I was like, Lord, okay. Because you know the power in your mouth better, shh, like, better be quiet. Some words, girl. So angry. Yeah. But then I like the Lord had me view. I said, Lord, reveal every hidden thing.

SPEAKER_00 30:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he did.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

Yeah. He showed me. Them? Everybody. Yeah. And he showed me me too. Yes. Don't he always? Me too. When I looked in that mirror, I cried. Yeah. Because I thought this, right, Keisha? Doing my journey. Like what if we don't know the time or the hour.

SPEAKER_00 30:31

Girl, listen. Nothing keeps me. Is he gonna crack this guy today? Man. So come on. Come on. My heart wouldn't be right to go down. You understand? Listen, y'all better catch this. This is why this is so serious. We not here to play. It is heaven or hell. That's it. Life or death. And this is and this is the thing. And this is what the Lord helped me with, which I'm sure He with the same thing is it's just that. It has to be that serious. Is anybody or anything worth you going to hell over? Absolutely. I don't like to be too hot as it is, let alone be crispy. Thank you. Okay. That's not for the kid. My God. That's not for the kid. But what I want to say to you also is because I watched your journey. You know, I was a part of that ministry.

SPEAKER_02 31:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:35

And, you know, there are a lot of fallen soldiers. That just is what it is. And this is why the relationship with God is so important to have. Thank you. And not the relationship with the man or the woman, because we're all flawed. Yes. Right? We're all broken people. We all fall short of the glory of God. But what Shana is saying is but when we're in the body, when we're in the church and ministry, you know, we just expect a different level, a level of accountability that when you wrong somebody, you'll go to that and make the amends with somebody and keep it pushing. Yes. Not trying to take out somebody spiritually. Because that's really what it is.

SPEAKER_02 32:20

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 32:20

Because if you talk about me, you harbor resentment against me, you attack my character, you get other people against me. What you really have done is just murdered me in the spirit in the spirit. Jesus. We think murder is just physical. Murder is spiritual. Come on, you better preach with your words. And so guess what? You can't be for me, and you can't be for God if you're a murderer, right? Intentionally. We're talking about intentionally. You keep doing it, you keep doing it. She's talking about there was intentional repetitive hurt. And I can speak to the same thing because we experienced the same hurt, the same offenses, the same character assassinations, all of that through the same people.

SPEAKER_01 33:10

You know what I mean? Through the same people. And it's crazy that um, and I I love people. I love girls I love to love people. Yeah, and I just really found out, like, you know, having a conversation with someone that like it was the pastor and her daughter who started a lot of these rumors, a lot of these things. Why would you do that to me? Yeah, why would you do that to me, the person that you love? Like, I got like I didn't need a replacement mama. Yeah, because I got a great mama. Hey, mom. Listen, Carrie Lee, excuse me. Like, I love to break my exactly. You know, and I think that I more so was looking for that covering.

SPEAKER_00 34:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:01

Um, for you to speak up for me in rooms.

SPEAKER_00 34:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 34:05

You shouldn't be talking in the rooms because I speak up for people, even friends that I'm really not cool with anymore, uh, things like that. Whoever it is, yeah. I speak up for people in rooms. I shut it down. You don't do that over here. Yes. Uh no.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

We're not that cool. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 34:22

We did all too much common folks around here.

SPEAKER_00 34:24

Come on, come on. It should have never been okay. It should never have been okay. It's never been okay.

SPEAKER_01 34:29

And then what I realized is that it took me recently to realize that I was okay not having the apology. Because now it's so many things that's coming out, yeah, unfortunately. Yeah. That I was looking for, like, you know, well, maybe because you believer, I'm a believer, we can make uh whatever means because I didn't know we were beefing all the time. Right. Yeah. And she would do good. Exactly. She would do good at coming and apologizing to hug and I'm like, did we break up? I didn't know we broke up. What happened? I was so confused. It's like, is it underlying stuff? Yes, yes, yes. But what is it? Yes.

SPEAKER_00 35:20

But then I'll get you to shut off my back and I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna just tell you what it is. I'ma just tell you what it is. Come on and tell me. Help me. And and and and if you get offended at what I say, then maybe there's maybe there's truth in it for you. But it's a spirit of jealousy. Okay. And it that's just what it is. The Bible says where there's jealousy, there's every evil work.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

Amen.

SPEAKER_00 35:52

He didn't say where there's anger, yes. He didn't say where there's adultery, he didn't say where there's division.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 35:59

He said where there's jealousy, there's every evil work. Because jealousy fell from the heaven. Yeah. Okay, that's what happened with Satan. He was jealous of God, right? Yes. So when people operate with that spirit, and here's the thing that gets me. What I don't understand, and guess what? I'll never understand and don't care to. As a Holy Ghost-filled born-again believer, how do I even allow that spirit to enter in with my sister in Christ? Jesus. If we serve the same God, and we have the same access for miracles, signs, and wonders, the same access for blessing and favor. How does that spirit even enter in?

unknown 36:45

Oh my God.

SPEAKER_00 36:46

Is that your father? Okay, exactly. And here's the thing stop lying on God because God said I will not be mocked, and the truth will always come out. You understand? Heavy on that. The truth will always come out. That's why I don't fight my battles. Come on. That's why I don't fight my battles. I don't try to prove nothing. My character.

SPEAKER_01 37:07

Yes. Okay. That's why God had me to shut my mouth.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 37:11

And honestly, like that was the first time that He had me to do that. Yeah. So I didn't know what to do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know what to do. Yeah. Like I had I reached out for wise counsel. Right. And I had some really amazing friends. Yeah. Right. That pulled me out the pit.

SPEAKER_00 37:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:30

And I can really say that they are now my pastors.

SPEAKER_00 37:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:34

Shout out to Pastor Cortez and Pastor Sheikh.

SPEAKER_00 37:38

Shout out over at DT.

SPEAKER_01 37:40

Send them over at DT. And when I tell you, they are amazing friends.

SPEAKER_00 37:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 37:47

But not only that, they are great shepherds over the flock. Yeah. You know, they don't do no type of mess. Don't even don't you think about bringing it. Shut it down. I heard that. But they've been that way for so long. Yeah. Well, that's who they are. Yeah, that's just who they are. And I honestly I respect and love them so much. I had to clear their name up in rooms, too. Yeah. Like, wait, what? Yes, yes. No, what? Come on. Like, you know, because I don't care how cool I am with people. If something ain't right and that spirit hit me, that Lord's uh-uh. Come on. The truth is I'm not gonna allow it.

SPEAKER_00 38:21

That's right, that's right. And that's who I am. Amen. That's who I am. So how dare you rob that from me? Right, come on here. How do you rob that part of my character from me? I haven't helped you. Right, right, right. Like I have a heart for God and that's who you are.

SPEAKER_01 38:38

And his people. That's who you are. And it's so crazy as I reflect. Yeah, that it's this it's so many people that I believe, right? I could be wrong, but I know I'm right. Okay. I know I'm right. You know, that I didn't even have a chance to experience getting to my assignment. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 39:02

Come on, come on, come on.

SPEAKER_01 39:04

I knew certain people was my assignment. Woo! But I was disobedient, but now it's people circling back now. Yeah. But I knew at that time, yeah, they were my assignments. Come on. But I felt like at the time they were pulling away, wouldn't allow them to come in my space. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Or creating fake beef and all this kind of things. And oh, she said this. And I'm like, when did I say that? Right. So let's bring everybody and sit them all down and we'll tell you who knows who tell them lying who tell them the truth. Because what? Bring them all. You need to bring them up. Because if I say something once, I can say twice. The truth. Come on. The truth never changes. I don't like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? And so I just be thinking, like, you know what? Some of them people was my assignment, and I know that. But they started moving. They was moving. Right. And I don't want none of that. Nope. Because in my friend group, we don't do that. Uh-uh. Come on. My friend group, we don't tear people down. That's right. That's right. Right. But even in the midst of all this hurt, because I was sorry I can obly say, and it hurt me.

SPEAKER_00 40:27

Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 40:28

Because my OG, we don't. What?

SPEAKER_00 40:30

Right.

SPEAKER_01 40:31

My sisters.

SPEAKER_00 40:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

Sisters in Christ, we don't do that.

SPEAKER_00 40:36

No. We think that. Where they do that at? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:39

Where they do that at. It's like when you become to a place, I lost honor. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:46

I lost honor, sis.

SPEAKER_00 40:49

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:50

I never want to be in a place where I got to think about other things while you up there giving a word, and I'm like, man, this lady lies. Like what?

SPEAKER_00 40:59

Right.

SPEAKER_01 41:01

Like what?

SPEAKER_00 41:02

Right, right. Right. This you right, right. This ain't you. Right. It ain't matching. Now we profiline.

SPEAKER_01 41:10

It ain't matching.

SPEAKER_00 41:11

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:12

But that is still. Yeah. I wore that mask.

SPEAKER_00 41:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:15

I didn't disrespect you in front of folks.

SPEAKER_00 41:18

They would never have even known that this is how you are. Never.

SPEAKER_01 41:23

Never. Like messy stuff. Like I don't like it. Yeah. I don't like it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:30

Like it's not right. So time after time after time, you're sorry for the same thing. You're not sorry.

SPEAKER_00 41:39

No. Call it what it is. If you don't like me, you don't like me. And that's and I'm okay. And it's cool. I'm okay with that. Right. But we don't need to have this toxic relationship. We don't. We don't.

SPEAKER_01 41:51

And I'm listening, God bless you. It was a little bit, it was gotta be so tough. I put myself on sabbatical. Right. And she did it. And stayed. And did it until the time exit. I did it. I heard I got pulled out and I got pulled out. I'm like, you did? I got like it was just a lot of stuff. But I'm not even gonna go there. You know what I'm saying? But honestly, it was hurtful.

SPEAKER_00 42:18

Right.

SPEAKER_01 42:19

Like I said, strained as we don't care about none of that. But somebody that you stuck through it all through. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you pierced me.

SPEAKER_00 42:27

Yeah. You wounded me. Yeah, we'll never under, we'll never understand that. Yeah. We'll never understand. But what we do understand is that God does two things. He either orders or allows. But I thank you, Lord.

SPEAKER_01 42:41

Yes, because either way is for his glory. Yes. And and I didn't see that at first. Yeah. But I really, really understand. Yeah. That what he ordered and what he allowed was my protection.

SPEAKER_00 42:59

Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 43:00

Man, I needed so much peace. Yeah. I needed so much peace.

SPEAKER_00 43:05

And your spiritual growth. I have to say. Jesus. Look, Shayna, minister, Shayna. Hallelujah. Okay, she's been a minister now for a while. She was a minister over music, but now she's a minister, minister. Yes, yes. You know, a preaching minister. Come on now. Okay. But watching even your spiritual journey and your growth, because you know, I got privy to front side seats.

SPEAKER_02 43:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:31

You know, to everything that you were experiencing. Yes. You know what I mean? To a certain extent.

SPEAKER_02 43:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:39

And again, I recognize what the spirit was a long time ago. You understand, you know, in dealing with that person and understanding that person. And and the same thing. It's you never saw me operate different. You never saw me not love on them. You never saw none of that. And I never saw that in you either. You always did. And the reason. The reason that we could do that is we weren't being phony or fake, is we love God more than what we were feeling. That's right. With those experiences. Those experiences were hurtful and hard because you couldn't talk about it. Yeah. There's everybody because we still honored the office that these people carry.

SPEAKER_01 44:19

I'm getting so emotional right now because I can't remember it was one time and uh I don't know if you like saw my pain, but I was so angry on the inside. And one day I remember, and this is I'm so honest right now, and you just looked at me and you said people. I just keep loving people. And what I wanted to say back is I ain't loving nobody these people. But that didn't carry me. You know what I'm saying? Because how do you love people to continue to hurt you?

SPEAKER_00 45:01

It's I had to remove myself from them. And I had to truly, we have to get to a point where is this God thing real? Or is it not? The pain is too hurtful. It it when people do things to us, we're not Jesus, it hurts. And especially when it comes from the people that are supposed to be your covering. You don't know how to process that because you want to honor the office. You don't want to dishonor, you don't want to talk about them, you don't want to badmouth them. So you go through your own personal hell because nobody fully understands the extent of the pain that you're going through, right? Because you don't want to talk about it to nobody. Okay? Yeah. But God saw you and He called you His. Here's the thing God told me this. The word says, Many are called, but few are chosen. I asked the Lord, because I'm the why kid with Jesus. That's why that's how I talk to him. Why do you say this? No, why? I need to know. Okay. When he said, Many are called, but few are chosen, I said, Lord, why did you only choose a few? He said, I never chose a few, I chose them all. You chose me. That's happy. Only few choose Jesus. God chose all of us. But we have to choose him on a daily daily basis, moment by moment. And we choose him by making sure we speak like him. Do we love like him? And when we mess up, because we will, because we all fall short. Yeah. Do we repent and get back on? You understand? And what I saw in that, because we went through the same thing, the Lord said, I sent you here to show them what forgiveness looks like. Amen. Because we we both know and you know. I went through hell.

SPEAKER_01 47:02

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:06

We went through the same thing for no reason.

SPEAKER_01 47:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:09

We just love people. We just want to love people. We just want to serve them.

SPEAKER_01 47:13

We don't take advantage of that.

SPEAKER_00 47:15

Exactly. Iron is supposed to sharpen. Well, you gotta be iron first. Would you sharpen iron right about it? Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:27

But I just would have hoped for that when things cause nothing is you know perfect or 100%.

SPEAKER_02 47:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:40

That we reconcile quickly. Listen. So we won't have to linger for year after year and you won't bleed on nobody.

SPEAKER_00 47:48

Right, right. You can bleed on so many people. And keep bleeding. Here's the thing. If if you don't recognize you have a cut, man, that's good. If you don't recognize you have a cut, you don't know you're bleeding on people, right?

SPEAKER_01 48:02

And I honestly I still have some form of love for her.

SPEAKER_00 48:07

Well you all you have the father's heart.

SPEAKER_01 48:09

I do.

SPEAKER_00 48:10

God calls us to love, He never called us to like.

SPEAKER_01 48:13

Yeah. I I you're right about it. I I so I I do, and I still wish her the best, her daughter the best. Um but I'm okay. Yeah if and I I will support you from over there, but now I have learned to have boundaries. Right? And I'm usually with like I speak strong, I come through strong, you know what I'm saying? So when I had to be like vulnerable, right? Like, and um shout out to my husband because he had to lift me up a lot of the times. Yeah, um, I have some real close okay, sister tight circle, you know what I'm saying? That um and honestly, like Ashley, and I have a couple of them, but Ashley Logan has she really like warred with me, man.

SPEAKER_00 49:01

Ashley, I love you!

SPEAKER_01 49:03

Yeah, when I tell you, like, and I have other people too, like Pastor She, um, Minister Kiana, Tanita, people like that, right? You show her.

SPEAKER_00 49:13

They still my family. I know all of them.

SPEAKER_01 49:16

But I had like people would not have a clue how many times, like, I purged over Ashley's house one time. Yeah, like I was about to kick out her window. I was so angry.

SPEAKER_00 49:29

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:31

And she couldn't even, she didn't know what to do. She had to sneak and tell my husband. Right. She was like, Because I don't know how to handle this because she is upset. But I need to let somebody upset. I was angry. Yeah, yeah. I was ready to slide and do something. Been there. But then he got the Lord, smack you aside your head. Don't need you can be angry, but you do not sin.

SPEAKER_00 49:54

Come on. Listen, I've said many a times there were days I had to Google sundown. I was like, what time of sundown today? Because I'm gonna be made all the way up until to be in right standing with them.

SPEAKER_01 50:07

And I don't think you're getting that egg, like it takes a total toll over my body. Yeah, yeah, it does. Yeah. I was couldn't sleep. Yeah, yeah. I was up like even my last time at the old church, yeah. Um, like I found out like other stuff, like that I'm supposed to did or said, and I got kicked out. And if I would have knew that, I wouldn't showed up. Right. Oh, I was like, that's what I'm gonna be here. Yeah, then I got the ushers asking me where you gonna sit at. I'm like, what you talking about? So it's stuff already talked about within those walls, and I'm looking like I I'm what I'm not gonna do is I'm not I'm not defending nothing. Right, right. You'll see, the Lord told me to be quiet. That's it, that's it. But he and other things, now he's telling me, all right, you was in the back enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? You was in the back because you had to take in and soak up, right? But now I'm calling you higher. Okay, I have more work for you to do, and you can't do that back there. No, no. So that's what I'm going through right now.

SPEAKER_00 51:14

Mmm. Jesus. Jesus. Well, let me tell you something. You have gone through so much and overcome. And like she said in the beginning, it's she said, you know, I'm still going through this journey. Forgiveness is a process. And it doesn't happen like no.

SPEAKER_01 51:34

Even though people can argue all they want to about this, we are supposed to hurry up and do it, but um emotions come in. We're still human. And I what I I'm a processor. You're still human, exactly. I realize that I gotta process this whole thing for me not to hit you in your throat because you done make me upset. Because I don't like to argue. What? And I don't like to get up out of my character. Yes, yeah, I don't. Like, I done work, I'm working now. Honestly, when you work hard, come on, not to be Takisha anymore. You know what I'm saying? When you work hard to try to follow this line, right? Yeah, this faith-filled line.

SPEAKER_00 52:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:17

Walk the walk, real.

SPEAKER_00 52:18

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:19

It took a lot of me to not straddle the fence. Yeah, but I'm in. I didn't want to be of sometime. I'm not, I'm not a sometime creature.

SPEAKER_00 52:27

Come on, come on, come on. Sometime my cousin, no, I don't cuss number people.

SPEAKER_01 52:30

You don't cuss number, you don't think come out? No, I don't. Right. But if that's still you, that people ain't judging you. That's and I'm not judging you. But what he's taking me, I had to let those things. Come on here, come on here. I didn't have a drink in the I was asking my one of my sisters in Christ, it's been about six, seven years. Come on now. That's just something I don't like. God removed the taste. Right, right, right. And I'm glad about it. Come on. Right? And so maybe He had to remove those things and prepare me to learn how to forgive when I don't want to. Come on, listen. It's for me to make sure that it's pure. Woo!

SPEAKER_00 53:09

Say it.

SPEAKER_01 53:10

Because at this moment, if she walked through that door right now.

SPEAKER_00 53:13

Come on, come on.

SPEAKER_01 53:15

I won't even have no bitterness or hatred in his heart.

SPEAKER_00 53:18

That's right. That's right, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 53:20

I I prayed about it. My cup. That's right. And I think when people's measure of their cup, see when my cup was low and it was empty.

SPEAKER_00 53:26

Yeah. I can't forgive you. Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 53:30

But when your cup is full.

SPEAKER_00 53:31

Yes, come on.

SPEAKER_01 53:32

And with God, when He fills you up and replenishes you.

SPEAKER_00 53:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah. With Him. With Him. With Him.

SPEAKER_01 53:38

It's easier for you to forgive.

SPEAKER_00 53:42

Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_01 53:42

And that's what the place I am at now. I'm so free.

SPEAKER_00 53:46

Amen. I feel on you. I'm so proud of you. God be the all Him. Girl, it let me tell you something. It is and it is. Yes. But it was your yes to Him. Absolutely. How about that? It was your yes to Him. Yeah. Right? Because you could have said, you know what, I'm going to walk on the wild side. You want to walk on the wild side? We're going to walk on the wild side together. You understand? But when we really truly make a choice to love God and to get to know Him for us. You know what I mean? I I told God a long time ago, I don't want my pastor's religion. I don't want my mama's religion. I need to know you for me. For me. I have real issues, real problems, and real circumstances. I need a real God. I don't need no hocus pocus. I don't need no Buddha. I don't need no magic. And God is that real that He shows up for us.

SPEAKER_01 54:35

Amen.

SPEAKER_00 54:36

And it's the more we get to know Him, the more we fall in love, the more we want to be like Him. And so do we hurt? Absolutely. But we give up the right to be right for the right to be righteous. The right to be righteous. Yeah. We would be right to go and confront someone. You said X, Y, and you did this and you lied and you did all this. We have the right to do that. And we're right because we didn't do anything wrong. But girl, when we pick up the cross for him, we give up the right to be right, to be righteous, to say, I'm gonna cover that. Every time. Love covers a multitude of sins. Yes. That's why you keep covering. That's why you keep loving. Jane, you walk in the word, you're living the word, right? As a living epistle. So, girl, and guess what? We're gonna have more people that betray us, that lie on us, that humiliate us, and we're not gonna stop loving. Yes. But we now have a healthy boundary. And we're prepared. Yes. And we will keep a healthy boundary.

SPEAKER_01 55:40

And that's good. A healthy boundary. That's the that's the blessing in that.

SPEAKER_00 55:44

Man, man, man. Woo! Girl, you have just dropped so many nuggets and just, oh my God, girl. This has been so amazing and so freeing. And what I love about this, and why it's important to talk about this is people, even though you get hurt in the church building, people are people. Don't turn away from God. Amen. Don't turn away from God. So many people get church hurt, right? Which is people hurt because people are the church. And they turn away from God like God did it. Okay, don't turn away from God. Keep your relationship with Him. Just find a home that knows how to love you, that's filled with the Holy Spirit. You know, people are all broken. So, you know, we pray for everybody. But I want to thank you for being on here, for talking about this specifically. And I pray that it touches so many people to say, you know what, let me not give up on God. Hallelujah. Let me not give up on God. But I do want to ask you if you can speak to someone that is listening that feels like they are unloved, unseen, they were hurt in church by, you know, a leader or someone in position. Um and it was something that was perpetual. You know, what would you speak or say to their heart right now? What is one simple step that they could take this week towards freedom?

SPEAKER_01 57:23

I would say to love. And why I'll say that because what forgiveness will mean to me is that exchange of release to freedom.

SPEAKER_00 57:34

Come on, right? Yeah, is that release? Come on. I would rather have Jesus. Listen, listen, y'all. Don't miss that. Exchange that release for freedom. Forgiveness is freedom. How you have to do it. Unforgiveness is keeping you bound to something. Keeping you bound. Come on. That's good.

SPEAKER_01 57:59

Just to keep going. Your free my freedom is everything. Come on. When I found freedom, I found my peace.

SPEAKER_00 58:11

Yeah. I found joy. Yes, girl. Your whole life. Just it's a different taste. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Woo! Old taste and see. Come on, Jesus. Yes, it is. Yes. So that's what I would tell. And I would leave them with a scripture too. I was gonna say, can you give me a scripture for?

SPEAKER_01 58:33

Can you leave them with a scripture, girl? Yes, because this scripture actually um helped me.

SPEAKER_00 58:39

Amen.

SPEAKER_01 58:39

And it's Deuteronomy 31 and 6. And it said, be strong and courageous. Come on. Right? Man. And do not be angry. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 58:53

Come on, girl.

SPEAKER_01 58:53

For the Lord God is with you. He will never leave you or forsake you. Oh, Jesus. Yes. So I had to hold on to this scripture and to know that God, He will never leave me. I don't care what it looks like. Come on. What they talking about. Right, right, right. What they try to do. I serve God.

SPEAKER_00 59:15

And I don't care who don't gotta look at it funny.

SPEAKER_01 59:19

I'm gonna worship him.

SPEAKER_00 59:20

Come on.

SPEAKER_01 59:21

In spirit. And in food. So I'm gonna praise and worship us because they're different. It's gonna look different for me. Come on.

SPEAKER_00 59:31

Because praise and worship is real. I'm owing that. Girl, they call us radical realm.

SPEAKER_01 59:39

I'm owing that. Come on. I don't care. And I I don't care who's watching. That's it, that's it, that's it. You can look and spectate all you want. Come on, Jesus. You better come get some of this. But I'ma give him my best, all of it. Come on. And I freedom worship. You can do that freely.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:01

Yes. Come on.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:04

Come on now. And she's a true worship. I tell worship. My feet can't even be still. I'll be like, listen, come on. I can't contain myself. I can't live freely. Uh-uh. And it don't want to. Man. And don't want to. We're gonna do that anyway. Listen.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:18

I'm just trying to make sure my spot is solidified. Come on. Because that's the only thing. Whatever you do. Don't do it without me, God. Worship is the only thing we can give God. And through everything we have been through, I gladly praise and worship, Lord. Well, girl, I just want to say, look, this has just been so amazing. Y'all, I hope you grabbed all these nuggets. Woo! Make sure you like, share, tag, hit the replay. This has just been absolutely amazing. I'm so blessed to have you and can't wait to have you back again. And you ain't even left yet. Yes. But I just want to ask you, you know, will you pray over the people? Yes. Um, before we go, just pray over the people. I will absolutely do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:08

But before I pray, I do have a podcast that is launching in October.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:16

Oh, wait, wait, wait. No, because you're gonna say everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:19

No, listen, y'all, we ain't finished. She's gonna pray for y'all, but then she's gonna tell you how to get in touch with them. Okay, yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:26

I want you to pray over them, but then because we gotta hear it, we gotta hear it all. Oh, yeah, let's do it. All right, Father God, in the name of Jesus, Lord God, I just thank you, Lord God. Daddy God, I thank you for allowing me, oh God, just to come here, God, and still sit in your presence, Lord God. God, I just want to pray right now, God, for everybody that has experienced unforgiveness, Lord God, that they're going through their trials and their tribulations, Lord God. God, I ask that you replenish them, Lord God, and cover them, Lord God. God, in the name of Jesus, Lord God, we come against every lion spirit. God, we come against every manipulation, oh God. Hallelujah to your name, Lord God. God, we pray for every hidden thing, God, that you will bring it forth, Lord God. God, not for just to throw rocks, oh God, or to tear down someone, Lord God, but we ask, oh God, that you will get the glory. God, that everything that we speak out of our mouth, God, that is because of you, God, it's your blessings, Lord God, that's gonna help us, God. God, give us the strength, Lord God, to keep going, Lord God. Hallelujah. God, I ask right now that God, even in this moment, God, if it's anything that's in me, Lord God, that's stuck, Lord God, a wavering, oh God, God, release it right now, Lord God. In the name of Jesus, Lord God. I pray right now, Lord God, thank you, Lord, for the people, Lord God, that is still hurting, Lord God. That's struggling with repentance, Lord God, that's struggling with forgiving their neighbor, Lord God. Their neighbor could be their mother, Lord God, it could be their daughter, their aunt, their pastor, Lord God, their friends, Lord God. Hallelujah to your name, God. God, I pray, Lord God, that you do a new thing in this season, God. Do a new thing in today, Lord God. Hallelujah, God. Through them, Lord God, through me, God, in them, in me, Lord God. For your glory, Lord God. God, we honor you. Yes, God. You can honor you, Lord God. Yes, God, yes, God. God, remove anything that's not like you, God, in the name of Jesus, God. Jesus, Lord, we thank you. God, I pray for every fallen soldier, Lord God. Ooh, God, that's waiting to be revived, Lord God. Come through like a flood on their behalf, Lord God. Yes, God. Take over, God. You're still in control, Lord God. God, we ask that you just have your way, Lord God. Your way, God. Have your way, God. We pray for every soul, Lord God, that's been offended, touched by trauma. God, remind the people that the church is still your building, Lord God. Your temple, Lord God. And we won't misrepresent the purpose. Yes, God. Hallelujah. Thank you, Lord. Let us continue to kingdom build your people, God. In the name of Jesus, God. God, we ask that you bless this platform, Lord God. Thank you, Lord.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:33

Not at all.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:33

That you equip the people, oh God. We bless the ones that is coming, Lord God. Yes, God. Equip them so that we can go out. Yes, God. And go after the one, Lord God. Go after the one that is hurting, that don't even know you, Lord God. God, they've forgotten about their relationship that they put you on the back burner, Lord God. Help us, Lord.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:56

Yes, Lord.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:56

Help us in a mighty way, God. Yes, God. Hey, God. We thank you, God, and we praise your name, God.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:03

Praise your name.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:04

In the name of Jesus, we praise you. Yes, God. Hallelujah. Amen. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:11

Hallelujah. Come on here, prayer warrior Jesus. Thank you, Lord. Woo! My God, this girl almost forgot where I was. Thank you, Jesus. I almost forgot where I was, Jesus. Lord, we just give you all the glory, the honor, and the praise. We thank you that lives have been saved, that chains have been broken today. Oh God. We thank you that they heard your voice, Lord. Worthy, Lord. They heard your voice. And yes, you alone are worthy of all the honor and praise in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Well, thank you. I just thank you for even being here. Thank you, Lord. For um sharing your heart, for being transparent, for pouring out, for the prayer. Thank you, sis. Now is the time. Can you let the folk know? She's got so much going on, you guys. She is just a breath of fresh air. She is a real one. She is a finisher. She is an accomplisher and a completer. If you have vision that you need help with, I implore you to reach out to her. You will not be disappointed. If you have an event that you need decorated, set up, planned, plotted, whatever, honey. I mean, think out the box. Yes. This is your girl. You need Hallelujah. I can't say it enough. I'm gonna let her say it. How she can get in touch, well, how you can get in touch with her, but please, please, please find her. Let them know about you, girl.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:51

I am still on the spiritual highway. Come on, come on. Woo God, God is so amazing. He sees everything, and I'm just grateful that He has gifted me with gifts and talents that I can use my hands. Yes. Amen. Um I am an event planner. Um I have a website, GosheEvents.com. I I'm doing a lot of things like Minister Keisha has said. I have a consulting business called Next Point Consulting. Um I I make ties, hats, shirts, all these different things. Um that business is called So Impress Custom Creations. My new venture um that God has me doing now is launching my very first podcast. Yes, and it's gonna be called Inside the Nest. Right. So I'm gonna do an overcoming trauma series. So inside of the nest, you will find joy, you will find peace, strength, healing, all these different things in a safe space. Yes, right. And I'm also working on my nonprofit called the Healing Nest, which coincides with that. Yeah, and so God is just amazing, yes, and He's have me partnering with different people and getting connected, and so that's what it's all about. And you can find me on all those platforms as well. Um, Inside the Nest is gonna be amazing. Amen. It really is, and I have a helping spirit, and I just want to help with people. Um recently, I'm a life coach now. Yes, yes, yes, yes, I'm a life coach, and I'm taking other classes um just to increase and sharpen me as I deal with all these different people who's coming forth. So God is amazing, and I just love this platform. So if you haven't already, like, subscribe, and share.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:43

Amen.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:45

Amen.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:46

Amen. Well, thank you guys for tuning in again. And if you need help with forgiveness, you can always hit me up at forgivewithkeisha.com. Also transferring over to the site forgive.com. That's f-o-r-g-i-v-v-e, because there is victory in forgiveness, right? Um, so you guys can hit me up there, you can check out my books, um, Hadassah Anointing and Forgiven if you need a good read or you want to just grow intimately with God. If you if you want to get out of the religious aspect and get into relationship, go ahead and pick up one of those books or give me a call. All right. Well, we love you guys. We will see you guys next Friday. As always, thank you for tuning in to the Forgive Podcast. We'll see you later. Bye.